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Winning the winter in Toronto

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 18, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Red Sox had one of baseball’s worst records last year, went through a massive salary dump a few months ago, and have filled holes with large and – in some cases – questionable free agent contracts. The Rays have traded away two key members of their pitching staff and lost their center fielder to free agency. The Orioles seemed to be playing over their heads last season, and now they’ve lost more than they’ve gained in the offseason. The Yankees are old, banged up and trying to restrict spending.

So what are the Blue Jays doing? They’re seeing same thing everyone else is seeing, and they’re doing something about it. The American League East is vulnerable, and the Blue Jays have decided it’s time to stop preparing for tomorrow.

They’ve completed the winter’s most overwhelming blockbuster, signed one of the market’s most controversial free agents, and traded away two of their brightest prospects for three years of an unconventional Cy Young winner.

They’re going for it, and it’s hard to blame them.

Toronto’s trade for R.A. Dickey became official yesterday. The Blue Jays agreed to a contract extension with the knuckleballer, and gave up two of their top three prospects — including coveted catcher Travis d’Arnaud — to get him. Dickey will join a rebuilt rotation that already includes trade additions Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle.

To generate run support, the Blue Jays will be able to stack new shortstop Jose Reyes and busted-PED-user Melky Cabrera ahead of in-house sluggers Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion. They’ll be able to sprinkle younger everyday players Brett Lawrie, Colby Rasmus and J.P Arencibia lower in the lineup.

To watch it all come together in a matter of weeks has been stunning, and at this point, Toronto has be considered the A.L. East favorite (or favourite, sorry). They’re certainly winning the offseason.

To be fair, the Blue Jays had the worst bullpen ERA in the American League last season, and they’ve have done little to fix that. Lawrie, Rasmus, Arencibia and Adam Lind have not been nearly as overwhelming as some expected them to become. There are obvious questions about Cabrera’s ability to perform without performance enhancing drugs, and about Reyes’ ability to stay healthy on turf. There’s a sense that the team overpaid in the Dickey trade. Spending sprees weren’t enough to get either the Marlins or the Angels into the playoffs last season.

But so what?

Here and now, the Blue Jays are better. Or at the very least, they’ve given themselves a chance to be better. Yankees general manager Brian Cashman talks a lot about striking when the time is right, and for the Blue Jays, the time is right now. It’s easy to find holes in every team — and there are those in Toronto who are horrified by the Dickey deal — but the Blue Jays are relevant again.

They’re clearly winning the winter. We’ll see whether they can win the actual season.

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88 Responses to “Winning the winter in Toronto”

  1. MTU December 18th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Yes Chad.

    Indeed we will.

    It may answer some fundamental questions about the proper use of resources.

    It should be very interesting.

    IMO a Team, any team, has to spend money wisely. Not just thow things at the wall and hope something sticks.

    To me. That is represented best by the Dodgers, and by the Marlins last season.

    And they also have to find the proper “sweet spot” between the MiLB guys they keep and the ones they trade.

    Let’s see if Toronto has hit the mark, or fails like so many other paper Tigers before them.

    ;)

  2. Hassey December 18th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    I’m not convinced I have spent MY money so wisely, so far today

  3. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Pierzynski-2 of his 4 hits in YS last year were homers. Last 3 years has hit .328 in YS.

    Cashman-go get him already. His defense can’t be any worse than Stewart[8 passed balls] or Cervelli.

  4. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    I know AJP will likely not match his career year, but he is a lefty catcher with some power that NYS might help him hold onto (he is a ~10-13 HR guy usually so maybe 15-17 in NYS?) and the ability to hit better than .230. If going forward Russ Martin is a .220 guy who on bases ~.300 with 20 HRs, I’ll take AJP’s .280-.310 with 17 HRs .

  5. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    My bad. .281 last 3 years in YS, .328 overall vs Yankee Pitching last 3 years for AJ.

  6. MTU December 18th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    One thing is for sure.

    There are no easy teams to beat up on in the AL East anymore.

    Teams are not standing still. Each and every one of them has improved to varying degrees in recent years.

    Most notably teams like the O’s and the Jays.

  7. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    JF-

    Here’s his hit chart in Cellular field last year. Looks like he would have had a few more homers in YS. :)

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/p.....pierzynski

  8. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    If the sign AJ P.ierzynski and if Romine wins a back up job, I’d be happy with a bench/DH, some combination of Nunez, Mustelier, Adams, Dickerson,Mesa

  9. blake December 18th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Plus AJP might bring a little fire to this bunch of old timers…..

  10. blake December 18th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    @FeinsandNYDN: Source: Dodgers shopping Andre Ethier. If they deal him, they could be in the mix for Nick Swisher.

  11. blake December 18th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Id rather have Swisher than Ethier too I think….but don’t know if id trade Ethier to sign Swisher…..especially since you may have to eat some of Ethiers contract to move him….

  12. blake December 18th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I think the Jays are a better built team than previous winners of the winter….especially Miami.

    The Jays lineup and rotations are both super deep…..unless injuries strike them it’s hard for me to see the jays not being pretty darn good next year…..

    Id actually pick them to win the division if the season started tomorrow…..

  13. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Blake-

    As we discussed the Jays bullpen might be the one chink in the armor. Their closer is coming back from shoulder surgery. Given their win now mentality, maybe they sign Soriano as their closer.

  14. MTU December 18th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    Mop walk time.

    Back later.

  15. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    MTU-

    Can’t the Mop’s walk themselves?

  16. blake December 18th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    “Given their win now mentality, maybe they sign Soriano as their closer.”

    Yea I’ve thought of that….wouldn’t shock me . They have placed their eggs in the next couple of years basket so why not round the team out add lock down the back of the pen? I’m sure boras is pushing that…..

  17. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    From RAB’s a few minutes ago:

    Taking stock of the Yankees’ trade chips
    By Mike Axisa

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ips-80479/

  18. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    http://www.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=l124

    Cool apparently the Yankees got a second GCL team.

  19. austinmac December 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    We can whistle in the dark about winning on the field, but player for player, the Jays look very good. I heard Bowden on MLB radio saying he felt their starters were the best in the league. Add that to their offense, and they will be plenty tough. As it stands now, I don’t think we can beat them.

    I sure agree we have significantly downgraded at catcher and also downgraded in right field. Swisher did get a lot of key hits last year and was among the team leaders in mosty offensive categories. Meanwhile Ichiro, has had a very unproductive two seasons for acorner outfielder.

    Defense is very nice, but scoring runs is going to be a problem. A big problem in my view.

    They need more than a Hairston(who they probably can’t afford) or some similar 4th outfielder. Pierzynski certainly has my vote, but I don’t think the Yankees are even considering him.

  20. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Still would like the Yankees to sign another lefty pitcher, maybe Francisco Liriano, if available on a one year contract and then see if they can pry Justin Upton from the DBacks with some of the trade chips mentioned above in the RAB’s article.

  21. rl1856 December 18th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    As noted the Jay’s achilles heal is their bull pen. A run at Soriano would not be out of the question. But middle relief would still be a problem. Dickey aside, their current rotation does not pitch deep into games. They could use a closer and at least 1 if not 2 set up arms. If they fail to address the pen, then I forsee many Blue Jay games lost in the late innings. I also follow the Braves. A few years ago, they missed the playoffs because they had one of the worst bullpens in the league…15 or so blown saves. If only 1/2 of the BS had been converted (still leaving them in the bottom tier of pens), they would have made the playoffs. I wont fear the Jays until they address their pen.

  22. Shame Spencer December 18th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    blake December 18th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    @FeinsandNYDN: Source: Dodgers shopping Andre Ethier. If they deal him, they could be in the mix for Nick Swisher.

    ——————

    I was wondering if LA might not push for Swish but couldn’t see where they’d fit him.. the Dodgers are in on ALL the players.

  23. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    The Dodgers are really getting into character as spoiled rich jerks.

    “Ugh this Andre Ethier is so last season, throw it away and get me a new Swisher.”

  24. Shame Spencer December 18th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    The Dodgers are really getting into character as spoiled rich jerks.

    “Ugh this Andre Ethier is so last season, throw it away and get me a new Swisher.”

    ———————

    They’re the Violet Beauregarde of MLB.

    F*ck the Dodgers.

  25. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    JF-

    Two GCL teams-Must be looking to be proactive in finding places for all the compensatory draft picks they have and will have. :)

    rl1856-

    Follow the Braves also. Now they have a monster bullpen. However they were lockdown in 2011 and were burnt out come September when they lost to the Cardinals for a playoff spot.

    Besides Mike Stanton, can you think of one pitcher the Yankees received from the Braves thru trade or after they became FA’s that really helped the Yankees. Boone Logan aside.

    Buyer beware if the Braves want to trade you one of their pitchers. I suspect that Tommy Hanson will spend more time in surgery due to his mechanics/ delivery than he will pitch on the mound for the Angels.

  26. austinmac December 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am

    I enjoyed the days of the Yankees being the spoiled rich jerks. Now, the team is just rich.

  27. DONNYBROOK December 18th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    - TUESDAY DIAMOND MUSINGS -

    (1) VERY small market for Swish. Cleveland? As usual it’s, “ALL about the money”.

    (2) Stat Geeks can throw around Grandy’s Aug, Sept, and Playoff numbers all they want. To me, the alarming thing with him was the shoddy defense he displayed during that same stretch. Of course, you gotta use your Own eyes and baseball acumen to ascertain that short coming.

    (3) R\Sox continue to throw away good money on mediocre players. The R\Sox signing Drew does explain why the Yanks were looking at him Before courting Youk. Roughly $3Mill difference between Drew and Youk. As usual it’s, “ALL about the money”.

    (4) Yanks did well vs RA Dickey in 2012, so I go Alfred E Newman, and say “What, me worry”? I do believe the respect\return being displayed for the Toronto catching prospect, shows Cashman did NOT get enough for Montero.

    (5) Texas loses Hamilton and I eagerly anticipate a return volley. What do I get instead? Crying and whining outta the GM. The rise of the Angels, coupled with the A’s Now being the League Champ And improving on top of that, leaves Texas in shambles. Their only saving grace is plenty of easy W’s vs that new member of the AL West\ Houston. Maybe Texas can squeek into that Last Wild Card Slot.

  28. blake December 18th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    I think the Dodgers would have to eat money to trade Ethier….so trading him and money to sign Swisher doesn’t make a ton of sense to me even for them…..

  29. blake December 18th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Facing Dickey in between Johnson and Morrow doesn’t sound like a fun time

  30. blake December 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    @KenDavidoff: Curtis Granderson expects to be a free agent following next season. #Yankees http://t.co/3Qihqppr

  31. Chip December 18th, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Looking for inspiration in the bargain bin:

    Kelly Johnson – would be a nice bench guy, LH with some pop who can fill in at 2nd, 3rd, 1st and replace some of Chavez’s power

    Juan Rivera – not a good defensive fielder, but if they can’t get Hairston or Ross then Rivera makes sense as a RH fourth OF.

    Delmon Young – probably the most talented OF left on the market after Mike Bourn and Nick Swisher. You can DH him to open the season and then mix him into the OF when Alex returns (or sign him and deal Granderson)

    Lance Berkman – said it yesterday; he would be a great DH option to open the season. He can play some OF and 1b and hit LHP and RHP. He won’t be cheap, but he would be a 1 year guy.

    I still think that there are trades that can and will be made, but these are just a few FA options.

  32. disco stu December 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    I think the Yankee brass has been secretively preparing for a 1965 type season for next year. With all the 1 year deals they have signed or resigned (Ichiro notwithstanding) and the players who are in walk years, aging vets either hurt (Arod and Jeter) or underpeforming (Tex), it seems like 2013 is being setup for the perfect storm where it all catches up to them.

    Maybe I am wrong or simply cynical about how things are being handled lately by the FO, but I can’t shake this feeling that they actually want to have a season like the Red Sox and Phillies just had so when July rolls around and they are 10 games under .500 they can begin to trade away pitchers like Pettitte and Kuroda and Hughes and players like Cano, Granderson, Youkilis, and maybe even Ichiro (eat some of the money left on his 2 year deal) and get a ton of young talent (either at MLB or prospects) and look re-load next off-season with more payroll flexibility than they have now.

    I also would not be suprised if they will look into negotiating some sort of forced retirement with Arod if his condition turns out to be even worse than originally diagnosed.

    I think people should be prepared for a first to worst type year in 2013 … Toronto and Baltimore have staked their claims to being serious contenders, the Rays are always tough, and Boston is looking to bounce back after all of their own B.S. from last season.

    Where does that leave the Yankees and their rapidly aging core?

  33. Shame Spencer December 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    I think Berkman wants an everyday role.. isn’t that why we didn’t bring him back after we traded for him?

  34. Chip December 18th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Shame -

    This would be an everyday role. He would be the everyday DH. When/if Alex comes back you rotate him around the field, some starts in RF, some at 1b, some at DH – he’ll still get around 500 abs.

  35. Cashmoney December 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    Kelly Johnson is mildly appealing to me but i don’t think he has been relegated to bargain bin.

  36. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    austinmac December 18th, 2012 at 10:07 am
    I enjoyed the days of the Yankees being the spoiled rich jerks. Now, the team is just rich.
    —————————-
    Good one!

    And about to get richer come 2014 and probably by staying the course, 2015 and 2016.

    Just sell the team!!

  37. DONNYBROOK December 18th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Berkman’s knees remain iffy. I doubt he wants to do Any time in the OF.

  38. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Chip-

    The Yankees should look into signing David Ross and Reed Johnson-o darn they’re gone!

  39. Chip December 18th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Trader -

    I never really got the Reed Johnson thing. He wasn’t ever a guy I thought had anything other than marginal value. I mean, yes he can play all three spots, but even against LHP his bat is just eh.

  40. Yankee Trader December 18th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    Chip-

    Reed Johnson was one of the ML leaders in pinch hits.

    Have to go.

    Will today be the day the Yankees make their first exciting move of the off-season that generates some enthuiasm rather than ennui from us Lo-Hudders? Sigh :(

  41. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 10:43 am

    I never really got the Reed Johnson thing. He wasn’t ever a guy I thought had anything other than marginal value. I mean, yes he can play all three spots, but even against LHP his bat is just eh.

    You say this after suggesting Juan Rivera & Delmon Young? Both of whom can play no spots? Reed did hit .311 .354 .444 .798 vs LHP last year. Infact, he pretty much hits .300 vs them with a .330-.350 OBP going back 4 years. In 09 he had a .900 OPS.

    I’ll take that over Delmon Young who is not only a bad person but a pretty bad baseball player overall (outside of his split vs LHP)

  42. Cashmoney December 18th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    TUESDAY MORNING MUSING!

    1. DICKEY IS AN INTERESTING DUDE! I TOO THOUGHT OF CLIMBING MT. KILIMANJIRO BUT THEN MY EYES OF THE TIGER SONG ENDED AND I WENT DOWNSTAIRS TO GET A BIG OF POTATO CHIPS.

  43. blake December 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    @Jim_Duquette: I don’t blame teams for inquiring about Ethier, but this makes NO sense from LAD standpoint. They’d have to eat at least half of the $$$

    @Jim_Duquette: And then overpay Swisher in an inflated market place. I know LAD is throwing around a lot of $$ these days, but even THEY have limits!

  44. The Return of Stoneburner December 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    9:30am: Two American League teams asked about Ethier, but the Dodgers have “zero intention” of trading him, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (on Twitter). The Dodgers will listen to offers.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ZZ2fwY6SFRRkxsWW.99

    ****

    My guess is the Rangers and Mariners – but these two teams should not want Ethier – you want Granderson – Granderson – Granderson – - – -

  45. bruceb December 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Does it really matter who the Blue Jays or Yankees sign? If the Angels don’t win it all next year, Scioscia wants shooting. Their lineup is so stacked they’ll only need mediocre starting pitching to win games.

    Then again, they were pre-season favorites to win the World Series this year and didn’t even make the play-offs. What are the odds of that happening again in 2013? 100-1?

  46. The Return of Stoneburner December 18th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Does it really matter who the Blue Jays or Yankees sign? If the Angels don’t win it all next year, Scioscia wants shooting. Their lineup is so stacked they’ll only need mediocre starting pitching to win games.

    Then again, they were pre-season favorites to win the World Series this year and didn’t even make the play-offs. What are the odds of that happening again in 2013? 100-1?

    *****

    The Angels should be ridiculed for their 2012 performance – - – -

  47. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....Phnw#t=81s

    Granderson!

  48. The Return of Stoneburner December 18th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....-carvajal/

    The Rangers have been awfully quiet on that front comapred to years past – - –

  49. Chip December 18th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    blake December 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    @Jim_Duquette: I don’t blame teams for inquiring about Ethier, but this makes NO sense from LAD standpoint. They’d have to eat at least half of the $$$

    @Jim_Duquette: And then overpay Swisher in an inflated market place. I know LAD is throwing around a lot of $$ these days, but even THEY have limits!
    ————————–

    What I don’t get is: If you’re a team that’s interested in Ethier, why not just sign Swisher and keep your prospects?

  50. Cashmoney December 18th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    I prefer to think Granderson this way…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiS8YokFzeY

  51. Chip December 18th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Jerkface -

    I’m just not a big Reed Johnson fan, didn’t say it was rational or not, it just is.

    Young made a stupid comment, I don’t know if I would brand him as an awful guy because of it.

    Rivera and Young can’t be that much worse in the field than Andruw was so that’s not really a concern and both offer some RH power that the Yankee bench currently lacks.

  52. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    The Rangers have been awfully quiet on that front comapred to years past – – –

    Speculation they were saving cap money for Otani. They also got that one guy whose name I forget to count under the old IFA rules, so they have technically already spent more than every other team in IFA this year.

  53. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Young made a stupid comment, I don’t know if I would brand him as an awful guy because of it.

    He also threw a baseball bat at an umpire.

  54. The Return of Stoneburner December 18th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Texas has been one of the most aggressive and successful teams in the international market in recent years, but they have spent very little of their $2.9 million international bonus pool for the 2012-13 signing period, perhaps because they were hoping to be able to land righthander Shohei Otani, who announced he is staying in Japan.

    Other than the $4.5 million signing of Dominican outfielder Jairo Beras on Feb. 29, a deal that doesn’t count against their bonus pool, the Rangers’ biggest international bonus this year has gone to Juremi Profar, a 16-year-old third baseman from Curacao (and the younger brother of top prospect Jurickson Profar) who signed for $150,000 in September. The Rangers also signed Dominican shortstop Luis Terrero for $75,000 in August.

    *****

    BA seems to suggest Rangers have spent very little of their 2.9 million budget. Beras was signed pre-July 2012 before the new rules were implemented. They may have budgeted for Otani – but they now have over 2 million left to spend until July 2013 – - – -

  55. Chip December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Young made a stupid comment, I don’t know if I would brand him as an awful guy because of it.

    He also threw a baseball bat at an umpire.
    ————–

    Derek Jeter sleeps around and then gives the women a fruit basket as his way of telling them to go away. Alex cheated on his wife and did steroids, Robbie Alomar spit at an ump…

    Elijiah Dukes is a bad guy. Chad Curtis is a bad guy. Jim Leyritz is a bad guy. I don’t put Delmon Young in that category.

  56. blake December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    “What I don’t get is: If you’re a team that’s interested in Ethier, why not just sign Swisher and keep your prospects?”

    Bingo …unless the Dodgers would eat a ton of money

  57. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    The thing with Beras is that the original contract was going to be thrown out due to him mis-representing his age and then signing him would have counted against the new cap. Rangers got MLB to rule in their favor and his signing was kept under the old CBA.

    It wasn’t resolved until July or after july so they were unable to get in on the July 2 market.

    “We were not able to participate in the July 2 market,” Preller said. “OK, we got the player, we were able to spend (our $2.9 million). Every other team was able to sign their top talent on the international market, but at the time, we were not able to do that.”

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....13923.html

  58. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    The ruling ended in their favor as they have lots of cap still to spend, maybe they get one of the cuban defectors. The SS is waiting until he is 23 so he can sign without limit, but maybe the other guy falls under the IFA limit.

  59. MTU December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    YT-

    The Mopsters have me well trained.

    I am here to serve them. Not the other way round.

    Love can make ya’ do some strange things.

    ;)

  60. The Return of Stoneburner December 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 11:07 am
    The thing with Beras is that the original contract was going to be thrown out due to him mis-representing his age and then signing him would have counted against the new cap. Rangers got MLB to rule in their favor and his signing was kept under the old CBA.

    It wasn’t resolved until July or after july so they were unable to get in on the July 2 market.

    “We were not able to participate in the July 2 market,” Preller said. “OK, we got the player, we were able to spend (our $2.9 million). Every other team was able to sign their top talent on the international market, but at the time, we were not able to do that.”

    http://www.baseballamerica.com…..13923.html

    *****

    That makes sense – thanks.

  61. djsunyc December 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    despite all the disgruntled folks around…we still continue to win division year after year.

    what will happen when we win it again this year?

  62. blake December 18th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #dodgers 1 aim rat moment is to find a reliever, preferably a lefty.

    Boonie for somebody good

  63. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    despite all the disgruntled folks around…we still continue to win division year after year.

    They’ve won the division 3 out of the last 6 seasons. And now they really can’t depend on the wild card. If the Yankees win the division this year I imagine everyone will be happy.

  64. The Return of Stoneburner December 18th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    In a separate piece, Davidoff suggests that the best-run teams — he cites the Rays as one example — look to contend every year instead of targeting specific windows.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#BxXSGxFe25hxChIL.99

  65. blake December 18th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    @mikeaxisa: Logan for Ethier + $60M RT: @JonHeymanCBS: #dodgers 1 aim rat moment is to find a reliever, preferably a lefty.

  66. blake December 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    As is….I don’t think the Yankees win the division and may not even make the playoffs

  67. Chip December 18th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    Blake – hey, if the Dodgers are willing to pick up all of Andre’s money and give him to us for Boone I’m all for that. I can get by with Cabral and Rapada as my LHRP

  68. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    I’d be trying to trade Boone to LAD or the Nats. Logan for Morse, or whatever.

  69. brianlopez22 December 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    I agree with an earlier post.

    I have no spent my moeny wisely but as a loyal Yankee fan, I cough up my money each year to visit the stadium 16 times.

    I wish we have an option to protest and come back when the Front Office is behaving in the best interest of the team and fans, but thus, that is not the case and unfortunately have fallen into the trap they set for me.

  70. ron December 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    We could have traded cano,granderson,hughes,dropped 33 million,then signed hamilton,melky for the same 33 million,but would not need ichiro,and if we got a 3b from the 3 trades,we don’t need youk,so we traded 33 million,signed 33 million,but we got a fantastic haul from trading hughes,cano,granderson,and still have roughly 18 million to spend by not signing youk,ichiro,minus obviously the salaries we take from the trades.

    I’d look to get a 3b,2b,p,c from trading cano,granderson,hughes,minimum.

    Imo,we still would compete,but we are set up much better with prospects.
    If the yankees are struggling at the asb,they are going to try to trade granderson,but way to late.

  71. PacoDooley December 18th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    ron – you need a job? I hear the Yankees are thinking of finding a new GM…

  72. austinmac December 18th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    As is, I also don’t think the Yankees make the playoffs. They are several games worse at this moment even if Jeter returns to full health.

  73. Chip December 18th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    I’d be trying to trade Boone to LAD or the Nats. Logan for Morse, or whatever.
    —————–

    I’m all for Logan for Morse – Nats won’t move Morse though until LaRoche makes a decision.

  74. austinmac December 18th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    In response to an earlier suggestion of Lance Berkmann, he is a far better hitter left handed so he is of little help vs. LHPs.

    Cashman is going to wait to see who is unsigned after other teams fill their needs and pick up someone cheaply to be the right handed hitting outfielder. I hold out no hope it will be a productive player, but he will bat right handed. He told us he may not complete the team until January or February. That is what he means.

  75. austinmac December 18th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Do we really believe a left handed reliever is going to bring Morse, a guy with 30 home run power? Reality people. Other teams would want Morse’s power. They would give up more than a middle reliever.

  76. blake December 18th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Jerkface says:
    December 18, 2012 at 11:27 am
    I’d be trying to trade Boone to LAD or the Nats. Logan for Morse, or whatever.

    Yes….Boonie for anybody good

  77. MTU December 18th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    YT-

    Thanks for posting that RAB piece.

    I very much agree with it but I would go even further than many of the pieces they listed.

    IMO many poeple undervalue what we could potentially offer in a trade package.

    I hope that Cashman has been combing the bushes in search of the right deal.

    We’ll see.

    ;)

  78. MTU December 18th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Buenos Dias Mac.

    :)

  79. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Do we really believe a left handed reliever is going to bring Morse, a guy with 30 home run power? Reality people. Other teams would want Morse’s power. They would give up more than a middle reliever.

    Teams will go to great lengths for that coveted LOOGY… or maybe they have to throw in more, but giving up a piece that the other team really wants should drive down the cost.

  80. Jerkface December 18th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Basically boone isn’t good enough to NOT trade him for literally anything.

  81. austinmac December 18th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Hello, Mr. MTU. I hope all is well in your neck of the mountains.

    Wouldn’t one exciting move this winter be nice?

  82. blake December 18th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Jerkface says:
    December 18, 2012 at 11:55 am
    Basically boone isn’t good enough to NOT trade him for literally anything.

    I wouldn’t trade him for a worse reliever….but aside from that yes

  83. MTU December 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Mac-

    Still hoping. Just not holding my breath.

    ;)

  84. austinmac December 18th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    I have no problem including Logan for any trade involving a bat. He could be a nice addition for someone but no centerpiece for anything valuuable.

  85. blake December 18th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    I bet the Jays sign Soriano

  86. yankeefeminista December 18th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Good afternoon!

    Paco, as per your question in the last thread, JR’s receiving skills are highly thought of. So, as per your question, Yanks are definitely not reassessing him as a catcher. His bat hasn’t been as good as expected, but he has been concentrating on his defensive duties, and in spite of the hit stats, he is a very good hitter, who almost always has good AB’s. Plus he is hitting in a pitcher’s park. What gets overlooked is his road stats, which are pretty darn good.

  87. MTU December 18th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    There’s a new one ——>

  88. The Return of Stoneburner December 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    •Stark reports (on Twitter). The Marlins appear to prefer Mark Trumbo, though he’s the least likely to be traded. The Angels could also deal Peter Bourjos, Kendrys Morales or Vernon Wells.
    •The Dodgers now aim to find a reliever, preferably a lefty, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter).
    •The Dodgers could pursue free agent center fielder Michael Bourn if they trade Andre Ethier, Rosenthal writes.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#S2giZHi2WvFOBmiX.99

    ******

    No, no, no Mariners – you do not want the Angels OFers – you want to be in a bidding war with the Rangers for Granderson – Granderson – oh ^&^% it – my vodoo/hypnosis mantra is not workinng in the rumor world on this one – - – -Do what you want Mariners and Rangers (reverse jinx now in effect) – - – -


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