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Best of what’s left: Which ones fit the Yankees?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 19, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When the offseason started, the crew over that MLB Trade Rumors came up with this list of the top 50 free agents. Most of these have already signed. Of the ones who are still available, which ones fit for the Yankees? The short answer: Not many.Names in bold are still unsigned.

1. Zack Greinke
2. Josh Hamilton
3. Michael Bourn
The Yankees have been connected to Bourn, but I just don’t see how they’re a match unless they trade Brett Gardner and decide to spend on Bourn, which doesn’t fit at all with their current plans.

4. Anibal Sanchez
5. B.J. Upton
6. Nick Swisher
The Yankees need a right fielder, need a power bat and could use a switch hitter. Re-signing Swisher would make a lot of sense if not for the Yankees financial situation.

7. Edwin Jackson
Not an ace, but certainly durable, and the Yankees could certainly use some rotation durability. Thing is, the Yankees have already made their significant rotation additions. At this point they seem more likely to go digging for fifth-starter competition, not best-of-what’s-left rotation upgrades.

8. Dan Haren
9. Hiroki Kuroda
10. Kyle Lohse
The market for Lohse has been remarkably quiet, which might have something to do with the first-round draft pick attached to him. His situation is similar to Jackson in that he’s probably not the kind of rotation addition the Yankees are looking for at this point.

11. Angel Pagan
12. Shane Victorino
13. David Ortiz
14. Mike Napoli
15. Adam LaRoche
The Yankees still don’t have a designated hitter, so technically they have a spot for LaRoche. But he’s defensively limited to first base, and he comes with a draft pick attached. LaRoche might be one of the best bats available, but he might not be the kind of DH the Yankees are looking for.

16. Ryan Dempster
17. Rafael Soriano
I have no idea how the market is going to play out for Soriano. In one way, the Yankees are the team best equipped to sign him — they wouldn’t lose a draft pick to do so, and they might have reason to look for closer depth behind Mariano Rivera – but it would be fairly stunning to see the market actually play out that way.

18. Melky Cabrera
19. Shaun Marcum
There’s plenty to like about Marcum — he just turned 31 and has pitched pretty well the past three years — and his market could come into focus after Jackson comes off the board. I actually think he might make sense for the Yankees on a two-year deal, but I doubt they feel the same way.

20. Torii Hunter
21. Russell Martin
22. Cody Ross
The Yankees need a designated hitter. And they need a right-handed outfielder. And they need right-handed power. So, yes, Ross could fit on the Yankees roster. Whether he fits their payroll is a little less certain.

23. Marco Scutaro
24. Stephen Drew
25. Joe Saunders
Still an uncertain market for these second-tier starters. If he were forced to settle for a one-year deal, would Saunders be considered an upgrade over Ivan Nova? His upside isn’t as significant, but Saunders might be more reliable.

26. Ryan Ludwick
27. Kevin Youkilis
28. Francisco Liriano
On a one-year deal, as left-hander who could compete for a rotation spot or fall into the bullpen? In theory, Liriano would make sense, but the fact is that he hasn’t been very good lately. He has a 4.85 ERA the past four seasons, and durability is an issue.

29. Carlos Villanueva
As a long reliever and spot starter, Villanueva would be a nice and versatile piece of almost any pitching staff. But the Yankees might be better of saving their money and trusting David Phelps to once again play that role.

30. A.J. Pierzynski
A catcher who can hit. It’s exactly the thing the Yankees don’t have, but they also seem unconvinced on Pierzynski’s defense and disinterested in the offensive upgrade. It’s easy to see reasons he fits. The Yankees seem to see reasons he doesn’t.

31. Joe Blanton
32. Brandon Morrow
33. Jason Grilli
34. Kyuji Fujikawa
35. Koji Uehara
36. Ryan Madson
37. Joakim Soria
38. Joel Peralta
39. Mariano Rivera
40. Ichiro Suzuki
Technically still a free agent. A matter of time before his Yankees deal becomes official.

41. Jeff Keppinger
42. Mike Adams
43. Andy Pettitte
44. Jose Valverde
The guy who lost his closer job in Detroit. Now he’ll almost certainly have to settle for a setup job, and the Yankees seem to have plenty of setup relievers. If he somehow falls into the bargain bin, he might be worth a small one-year deal, but it’s hard to consider him an upgrade over what’s already in place for the Yankees.

45. Jonathan Broxton
46. Scott Baker
47. Sean Burnett
48. Jeremy Guthrie
49. Eric Chavez
50. Jeremy Affeldt

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511 Responses to “Best of what’s left: Which ones fit the Yankees?”

  1. MTU December 19th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Whatever.

    :)

  2. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Cashmoney says:
    December 19, 2012 at 9:00 am
    honestly blake, you think ejax is going to take a deal with avv of 10 mil?

    He might ….I dunnno

  3. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    AJP, Ross and Liriano i like on that list. There is little chance Yanks getting any of those 3. I would rather watch someone cleaning a toilet than see valvede pitching in pinstripe.

  4. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    blake, i give you 4-1 money you doesn’t. 5 bucks, we keep it friendly.

  5. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    “A catcher who can hit. It’s exactly the thing the Yankees don’t have, but they also seem unconvinced on Pierzynski’s defense and disinterested in the offensive upgrade”

    Do they really think the catchers they have are great defenders?

  6. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    he doesn’t.

  7. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Jackson is looking for a 4 year deal and nobody seems to want to give him one….he took 10 million for one year last year….maybe he’d take 10 per for 3 this year to play for a contender…..I don’t think it’d take much more than that

  8. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Okay guys, after much consideration I’m going to 12/225 on Cano with a full no trade.

    That’s my limit.

  9. MTU December 19th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Blake-

    Or that AJ P is that bad relative to how well he strokes the ball ?

    ;)

  10. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    I think a Hughes for Trumbo deal makes some sense for both sides though….LA needs pitching bad…Hughes is a mid rotation guy who could benefit from the bigger park and he’s from Cali…..I guess it just depends on what other offers they get for Boujos and Trumbo and how much they actually value Trumbo…..

  11. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 19, 2012 at 9:09 am
    Okay guys, after much consideration I’m going to 12/225 on Cano with a full no trade.

    Id rather trade him than do that

  12. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    I still think Cashman adds a catcher before ST….there is no way they can spend 60+ million on all these one year deals to try and win in 2013 and leave a giant hole at catcher…..it just makes no sense

  13. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    i get the idea of lowering the AVV in counting against luxury taxes…it’s not a bad idea in concept. but I am not giving him 225 mil, but I am sure other will. when i said ‘I’, i meant the Yanks.

  14. MTU December 19th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Blake-

    Except possibly for Grandy the Yankees seem perfectly willing to let their FA’s walk for draft picks alone.

    :(

  15. AAA December 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    I think a Hughes for Trumbo deal makes some sense for both sides though

    =================================

    It does, ‘cept for service time issues. Angels would probably want more than Hughes, since he’s an FA after next season.

  16. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    blake – My thinking is there’d be no one else on the books for most of the years on the deal. You just gotta make it through two seasons and then you’re at the point where the team is almost fully turned over.

    I mean.. if they’re going to bellyache about an $18 AAV for their star 2B then fine, they shouldn’t do it (in my phantom limb world they wont!), but extending the years is the only way I can see it working.

    No opt out though.. he’s not getting an opt out!

  17. MTU December 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Blake-

    In the Yankees opinion I’m not sure they think they have a hole there.

    ;)

  18. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    i get the idea of lowering the AVV in counting against luxury taxes…it’s not a bad idea in concept. but I am not giving him 225 mil, but I am sure other will. when i said ‘I’, i meant the Yanks.

    ————–

    My other thought process is: if they’re serious about selling the team what do they care what the 2020 club looks like?

    I know there are a lot of variables.. but if they wanna keep Cano they gotta find a way to get his AAV under $20 million.

  19. MTU December 19th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Or if they do think they have one that the additional upgrade cost is worth paying.

  20. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    The Angels would have to extend Hughes and, tbh, if I’m Hughes I’m hitting FA so I don’t see that deal going through.

  21. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    From the highlighted list of FA’s that might be available on a one year contract i think lefty Liriano, who still has a high K rate could be a steal, especially if the Yankees can work on his control. Another left not on the list that might work out as a swing man is Tom Gorzelanny. Joe Saunders-righties hit .320 when he pitched for the O’s. Marcum would be a good pickup if he would take a one year deal.

    As far as a right handed outfield bat, I would see if the Yankees could get back Justin Maxwell from the Astros. Hit lefties for a .272 BA with 18 homers and 13 doubles in 315 AB’s.

    If the Yankees could manage to fit AJ Pierzynski in on a one year deal, I’d be happy with a bench/DH of some combination of Nunez, Mustelier, Adams, Mesa, Dickerson.

  22. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    I wonder who will ultimately sign Soriano… draft pick and premium monetary demand is working against him…. some owners will i guess. This pretty much illustrates how much of an overpaid yanks gave him as a setup man. He won’t even get that deal as closer in a cash flushed market.

  23. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    “It does, ‘cept for service time issues. Angels would probably want more than Hughes, since he’s an FA after next season.”

    True but they could sign him probably….they may want a prospect added or something too but I guess it just depends on what else they can get on the pitching front……that team has to win now….they can’t wait around.

  24. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    “I wonder who will ultimately sign Soriano”

    Toronto or the Dodgers my guess

  25. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Hughes knows he’ll be the youngest FA starter available next year…. Hughes is going to get PAID if he delivers similar production to last year. Don’t forget, there’s gonna be a whole lot of people telling you his numbers might look average but he pitches in the AL East and is battle tested from playing in the NY pressure cooker.

    That’s what I’d be pushing if I were his agent.

  26. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    “In the Yankees opinion I’m not sure they think they have a hole there.”

    If they think that then I don’t even know what to say….

  27. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    ..I wonder if he needs an agent…

  28. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    “In the Yankees opinion I’m not sure they think they have a hole there.”

    If they think that then I don’t even know what to say….

    —————

    Don’t we still have 2 of the top 60 catchers in the league? /Cashman’d

  29. MTU December 19th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Chad-

    Do you think the Yankees have been working the trade market ?

    Because they should be IMO. With great intensity.

    Especially if the FA pool is unsatisfactory.

    It seems to me we have plenty to offer. Don’t exactly understand why we have been able to match up for our needs ?

    Are we holding onto to our prospects too tight, or are they simply not worth what I think they are ?

  30. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Soriano-

    Rumors that Mike Ilitch will spend the $$$$ to bring in Soriano and not go with the rookie Rendon or Phil Coke. I wouldn’t be surprised if the new beast of the East, the Jays sign him. Then they would be nearly complete.

    Swisher-I think he’ll be a Dodger, IF they can somehow manage to find some sucker team to take all of Ethier, player and contract. Therefore I think he’s a Ranger, who might also sign Pierzynski and or LaRoche to replace the lost home run production of Hamilton and Napoli. I just hope he doesn’t become a Red Sox.

    Bourn-terrible second half in all facets of his offensive game. Signs with the Mariners.

    Jackson-Angels could use him. Boras lives in LA. Artie Moreno will spend the $$$$-Angels.

    Feel free to discredit my predictions!! :)

  31. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Blake,

    The Yankees added Wilson as their catcher. One more AAA catcher to add to the list. Why exactly are the Yankees not looking for offense from their catcher?

    Looking at the list of players who would help, their are none in the one year bargain bin. Ross would help. Wants multiple years. Same with the rest.

    And one change I would make to Chad’s post is to call the financial situation, a self imposed situation.

  32. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    I think Soriano goes to the Dodgers or Tigers.. but I could also see a team like Toronto, the Angels or even the Orioles coming out of nowhere to sign him.

  33. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:33 am

    MTU, only Cashman knows if he is working on a trade or not. we don’t have lot to offer imo. When your A list prospects are still in A or lower then I think you need some fruition at higher level for most ML teams to consider them at least close to ML ready. And, that’s most team look up in a package to have at least one that is close to ML ready.

  34. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    The Yankees added Wilson as their catcher. One more AAA catcher to add to the list. Why exactly are the Yankees not looking for offense from their catcher?

    ————–

    There’s this mentality that a defensive catcher is better than an offensive catcher. Which is fine, IMO, if the rest of your team’s production is good.

    The problem is we had several holes and downgraded all of them lol. If they would have gone after (or do go after) a power RF bat, then I can take a crappy catcher… but they didn’t do that and I don’t think they will.

    Still hoping for a trade in January despite the deck being stacked against us.

  35. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    longtime nakajima watcher says, “i like him, but not at ss.” tough to 2nd-guess a’s scouts tho.

    —————–

    I wonder if he could have handled 3B :(

  36. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    i have a funny mental picture of Cashman using his myriad of cliches in explaining to his kids why they did not get the presents they want it.

  37. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    i have a funny mental picture of Cashman using his myriad of cliches in explaining to his kids why they did not get the presents they want it.

    —————-

    Out of our price range.. not the right fit.. no place to put them..

  38. MTU December 19th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Sorry. Mop walk time.

    I’ll check back later.

  39. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    “The Yankees added Wilson as their catcher. One more AAA catcher to add to the list. Why exactly are the Yankees not looking for offense from their catcher?”

    No clue….I guess they forgot how much a guy named Jorge Posada helped them win titles …..I miss Jorge

  40. 86w183 December 19th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    the Yanks need a RH bat and offense behind the plate. Those are the two greatest weaknesses on the team.

    Sign Pierzinki and Ross.

    I love the idea of taking a flyer on Liriano. High reward low risk. Almost a Gio Gonzalez type risk as far as I’m concerned.

  41. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    look kids, we get aggressive when the timing is right and the circumstance is right… it’s a process.

  42. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    Shame,

    I agree that we don’t have good defensive catchers with the returning group. Cervelli is not and Mr. Defense, Stewart, had a ton of passed balls. I do think a catcher is supposed to stop the ball before it quits rolling. Wilson, no clue.

    As we have been saying for months, if you are determined to give up offense in the catching position it doesn’t seem like a great plan to give it up in RF as well.

    I do think Soriano will be in Detroit, with Toronto the backup popssibility. One more example of competitors improving while Cashman and Hal play their fiddle. Can’t spend money on good players. It wouldn’t be prudent.

  43. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    OK my final offer:

    Trade one year of Granderson to the Phillies for two time amphetamine abuser Carlos Ruiz, also a FA. You’ll make your starting staff very happy. Other prospects from both teams in the deal.

    Separate trade for one year of corner OF’er/1B, Michael Morse and his 6.5M contract.

    Get Justin Maxwell back from the Astros as your right handed 4th OF’er.

    Sign Francisco Liriano.
    Are we almost done. Fill the bench.

    Thoughts?

  44. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    I’m just waiting for the O’s to upgrade somewhere and make me mad.

  45. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    look kids, we get aggressive when the timing is right and the circumstance is right… it’s a process.

    ————–

    There are no games tomorrow.

    No, really – there are no games. They were out of our price range this year.

    After Christmas sales should make something available though, patience is key.

  46. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    mac – My hope (as feeble as it might be at this point) is that they make a trade for either an OFer or a C….. I’m preparing for neither lol. And it makes no sense.

  47. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:48 am

    @MLBNetworkRadio: Mark Shapiro on visit with Nick Swisher: “Outstanding. There are some things that stand out beyond the consistency of his performance.”

    @MLBNetworkRadio: More Shapiro on Swisher’s Energy: “It’s legit. It’s not an act. He loves playing baseball, loves his teammates & brings a lot to the table.”

  48. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:49 am

    I love the idea of taking a flyer on Liriano.

    ————–

    I agree.. it can’t hurt and could benefit the team in a lot of ways if it works out. The only problem is these risks were lower in the past, but now it seems like a couple of million dollars is enough to hold them back from making a move like that.

  49. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    ….my coffee tastes like weed.

  50. Yankee Trader December 19th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Have to go.

    Have a great day. Enjoyed the morning input.

    Cashman-

    Wake up and put a winning team on the field this coming season!

    Until later.

  51. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 19, 2012 at 9:50 am
    ….my coffee tastes like weed.

    By design?

  52. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 19, 2012 at 9:50 am
    ….my coffee tastes like weed.

    By design?

    ————–

    No!! Which is why I’m so confused right now…. I know those hipsters at Think coffee are stoners but I’m pretty sure I ordered a french vanilla and not a gram of cannabis mixed with some hot water.

    …gonna drink it anyway, of course.

  53. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    86w183,

    I would be delighted if the Yankees made the moves you suggested. I have previously recommended Liriano since, stubbornly perhaps, I still see ability.

    I heard this morning on MLB radio that Ross is looking for three years. Obviously, that doesn’t meet the plan. AJ P might do one year. As I am sure you know, the Rangers have brought him down to meet. After getting shut out on their desired moves, they have money to spend.

    I hope we are looking into these things, nevertheless.

  54. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    i order my tea with my weed in Amsterdam…but I am not that hip.

  55. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    maybe next christmas, we will have hash with cash charity event….

  56. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Trader – I dunno that the Yanks would do all that.. I wouldnt want to include prospects in a deal for Ruiz if we’re moving Granderson. I do want Morse, though. I can’t see them giving up anything to get Maxwell… they really screwed the pooch on that one. Something ALL the LoHud posters pointed out at the time (so none of this ‘no one could have predicted..’ nonsense)!

  57. blake December 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Liriano would be a nice flyer deal Imo as well especially if they traded a starter…..trade nova for Morse then pencil Liriano in the 5 spot and hope he performs…..

  58. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    We should really make a Cashman meme.. now I can’t stop thinking of how he handles his daughter on Christmas lol.

  59. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    I think the rays made a decent gamble with Reberto Hernandez, I like Fausto better as a name though.

  60. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    How come Shapiro can talk about a free agent, but Cashman says the rules prohibit it or they will be subject to double shock probation?.

  61. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am

    “I’ve been keeping up with everything, … I can multitask. You have to, or you lose ground. I’ve been busy communicating with clubs and player agents.”
    Brian Cashman quote

  62. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    “It’s too early in the process to say, but it’s possible. I can’t tell you if it’s probable or not, because it’s only Nov. 16. We have an in-house guy that is a fly-ball catcher at the very least. With the offensive lineup we have, we can afford that.”

  63. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Shame,

    I presume you are referring to the weed taste as described to you by others. Right?

    And as an aside, where did you say the coffee shop was?

  64. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    “I don’t think it’s in my best interest to say I have a No. 1 priority and here it is. We’ll get very aggressive when we feel the prices come within something that makes sense.”

  65. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Shame,

    I presume you are referring to the weed taste as described to you by others. Right?

    And as an aside, where did you say the coffee shop was?

    ——————-

    :lol:

    Right around Washington Square park ;)

  66. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    You don’t win Christmas on December 25th…

  67. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Cash,

    The prices will come down in February when we comb through the leftovers and see if we can find someone who has actually played baseball and hits right handed.

    The no. 1 priority is eliminate costs for 2014. I agree it is not in Cashman’s best interest to tell the average fan that.

  68. pkyankfan69 December 19th, 2012 at 10:10 am

    I don’t think the Yanks will be making any big moves nor will they add a catcher… IMO the best Yankee fans can hope for to improve the offense is a Scott Hairston (RH bat in the OF) type… Looks to me like Hal does not want to spend much more money at all, even if it’s just in 1 year deals… If they stay much healthier than they did last year this team can still win the division though.

    On another note, as a Yankee fan in his late 20′s I’ve never experienced rebuilding in baseball… I’m actually kind of looking forward to 2014/15 to see the Yankees retool from their farm system. I’d much rather have 2 down years or so then trade away the farm for a few more band-aids.

  69. blake December 19th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    @jaysonst: Hearing Marlins so unhappy with 3B options, they’ve been checking out Miguel Tejada in winter ball. Also kicked tires on Polanco & Inge.

  70. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    @jaysonst: Hearing Marlins so unhappy with 3B options, they’ve been checking out Miguel Tejada in winter ball. Also kicked tires on Polanco & Inge.

    ——————–

    Adams, Nunez and Mustillier for Giancarlo!!!

    :D

  71. blake December 19th, 2012 at 10:13 am

    “On another note, as a Yankee fan in his late 20?s I’ve never experienced rebuilding in baseball… I’m actually kind of looking forward to 2014/15 to see the Yankees retool from their farm system. I’d much rather have 2 down years or so then trade away the farm for a few more band-aids.”

    Rebuilding is cool if it actually gets rebuilt…..it’s not always that easy

  72. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    http://blogimages.thescore.com.....uk-v.3.jpg

    Anatomical Youkilis diagram

  73. Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Rebuilding is cool if it actually gets rebuilt…..it’s not always that easy

    ————————–

    Exactly. Things don’t always go according to plan. The Royals have been building for a while now. Hell things were looking pretty dire for the Giants before the last couple of seasons.

  74. 86w183 December 19th, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Adams, Nunez, Nova and Sanchez for Giancarlo maybe

  75. Chambliss December 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    With a $1 billion stadium and one of the richest TV deal in sports, it is really disturbing that the Yankees now operate on a tight budget. A-Rod should be ashamed. If he wanted to win he would go to ownership and restructure his contract. Same for Tex although to a lesser extent.

    The Yankees needed Martin but they could not afford him. Same with Swisher. That is pure garbage.

    George Steinbrenner must be rolling over in his grave watching his sons patch this team together with duct tape. And what about guys like Mo, Andy and Jeter who are all on the verge of retirement?

  76. Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am

    Adams, Nunez and Mustillier for Giancarlo!!!

    —————-

    Make it happen Cash :)

  77. 86w183 December 19th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Or offer to take on Nolasco’s lousy one year contract

    Adams, Nunez, an OF (Mustelier/Austin/Williams/Mesa/Hathcott) and Nova for Stanton and Nolasco??

  78. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    It is not rebuilding if in 2014, none or only one or two of your prospects is ready to play. It is disaster. Rebuilding includes trading existing players for young guys with upside. They do not have the system to build a quality team from principally within. They are an average ranked system who could presumably produce an average team in time.

    The Yankees don’t rebuild. Now, they don’t reload. They just wait and hope someone good somehow, someway things will work out.

  79. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:22 am

    “Oh yeah I can’t wait for this team to blow for a couple years and maybe be good later!” – Said no one ever.

  80. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Thing is that we could have rebuilt so much more efficiently by retaining young players. Seems like we get into trends and then when they don’t work, we just as quickly go in the opposite direction: 1.) Generation Trey (hate that name): let’s pitch them all at once; oops, premature decision that it is working… so… 2.) let’s go the opposite route, not go with the kid pitchers, and deal for a inning eating vet, Javy… 3.) oops that didn’t work, let’s go with young pitching and trade our number one trade chip…because we have been reading Mike Fast (so, let’s get rid of the Yankee catching prototype and stick to pitching wins/Rays pitching model… oops, Pineda gets hurt… and here comes the new CBA, 4.) let’s go one year deals and wait for 2014 and beyond, and hope things work out. It just seems like we don’t really have a philosophy, just a flavor of the month.

  81. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    that *isn’t working

  82. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    http://blogimages.thescore.com…..uk-v.3.jpg

    Anatomical Youkilis diagram

    ————–

    It does not surprise me at all that Youk has a small Shakira living inside him.

  83. AAA December 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Adams, Nunez, an OF (Mustelier/Austin/Williams/Mesa/Hathcott) and Nova for Stanton and Nolasco??

    ==================================

    You could offer to send them Heathcott, Williams, Sanchez and Austin and the answer would almost certainly be NO.

    An offer of Adams, Nunez, Nova and one of those OF’s would draw hysterical laughter.

  84. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    *an inning eater (late night; need more caffeine :) )

  85. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    86w183 December 19th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Or offer to take on Nolasco’s lousy one year contract

    Adams, Nunez, an OF (Mustelier/Austin/Williams/Mesa/Hathcott) and Nova for Stanton and Nolasco??

    ——————

    If they can make that happen I will spend all season repenting. ALL season. Especially if they can do it for Messa or Mustillieromgican’tspellyournameever

  86. blake December 19th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    86w183 says:
    December 19, 2012 at 10:17 am
    Adams, Nunez, Nova and Sanchez for Giancarlo maybe

    Not close….

    Profar , Olt, Martin Perez MIGHT be enough if the Rangers offered it……

  87. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Seeing Doreen be down yesterday really puts things in perspective :cry:

    I really don’t think I can remember ever being this down on the club.

  88. Duh Innings II December 19th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    The Yanks should sign Pierzynski to a one-year $9M contract (a $3M/50% raise and only $1.5M more than what Martin made in 2012) and Ross to a one-year deal to be the DH. If Ross wants two years, re-sign Ibanez.

  89. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    If a guy like Dickey got a top catching prospect there’s really no way to get Giancarlo without giving up 2 of Williams/Austin/Heathcott along with Sanchez and an MLB pitcher + Adams/Nunez/Mustillllllllllllidunno.

    But we can dream.. The Yankees can take our happiness but they cannot take our dreams!!

  90. jacksquat December 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    EJax is medicore and it would be stupid to pay 10+ mil for 3 or 4 years for a mediocre pitcher. Let teams who have trouble getting free agents to sign do that.

  91. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am

    Let teams who have trouble getting free agents to sign do that.

    Apparently that IS the Yankees this year :)

  92. jacksquat December 19th, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Mustelier!

    Our own Kirby Puckett.

  93. blake December 19th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    @jaysonst: Would take more than Olt. Add Profar, Leonys Martin & more. Even then not sure they do it RT @smithjoshuab: @jaysonst Olt plus for Stanton

    Yup

  94. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    When looking at the rebuiding, I suggest checking out the Yankees winter league statistics. Abe Almonte’s under .600 OPS and go from their. They are not pretty. Mustelier’s numbers don’t look bad in the Mexican League until we see Ramiro Pena’s are better.

    By the way, Ross wants three years. The Yankees are not in on AJ P. They should be, but they have the Stewart/Cervelli championship calibre tandem ready to play.

    Remember the circular line up concept? It used to be a good idea to build a team with good hitters. I’m glad we changed that crazy philosophy. Let’s seek less power and lower batting averages. Or a player like Ichiro, a singles hitter, who simply does not walk.

  95. jacksquat December 19th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Nah, they got Kuroda, Pettitte, Ichiro, Youkilis…

  96. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Rebuilding is what you do when you have multiple prospects on the cusp of the majors and anticipate 1-3 seasons of break in time for these guys to actually get good and start becoming the core.

    That 1-3 years probably doesn’t even begin until 2015 for the Yankees minor leaguers. Its a stretch to suggest multiple guys who have like 50 combined PA in AA are going to come up and wreck house from the jump.

  97. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    jacksquat December 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    EJax is medicore and it would be stupid to pay 10+ mil for 3 or 4 years for a mediocre pitcher. Let teams who have trouble getting free agents to sign do that.

    ——————–

    The question becomes who could we sign for $10 million dollars next year to eat up innings? Certainly not Hughes, Kuroda or Pettitte. We’re going to need to buy at least one starter to slot with CC, Nova, Phelps, and Pineda.

  98. pkyankfan69 December 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:22 am
    “Oh yeah I can’t wait for this team to blow for a couple years and maybe be good later!” – Said no one ever.
    ——————————–

    Well duh… But it’s not like we have much of a choice… They will be fine this year unless the injury bug gets them again but they are likely going to stink in 2014… Hopefully Austin and/or Heathcott has a big year this year and a big first half of next year in the minors so there will at least be something exciting to watch on the big league team in the second half of the 2014… And I agree the planning for this budget cutting has been awful. Even this year the Yanks could have signed Melky to a very reasonable deal and traded Granderson for prospects but of course they have decided to just let Grandy play out the year and let him walk for just a draft pick.

    The deciding factor with the Yanks moving forward after 2014 will rest heavily on 2 things. (1) How many above average players come out of the Williams/Heathcott/Sanchez/Austin/Banulos/etc line of prospects. (2) If the Yanks are going under $189M in 2014 just to reset the luxury tax for 2015 OR if the Yanks are going under $189M for the long term? $189M would be a fine amount of money for the Yanks to spend annually if they didn’t have awful contracts to Arod and Tex… I love CC but his contract scares me also now with his 2 trips to the DL last year and seemingly much more hitter friendly pitching. With those awful deals still on the books for a handful of years they basically have to spend more in order to remain highly competitive.

  99. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    The Yankees could still clearly sign any free agent they want, but they don’t want topay them. It isn’t the players discouraging the signings. It is the team.

  100. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Ross for 3 years isn’t bad since we need bridge guys in the OF but it depends at what cost. If you can get him for like $5-7 AAV then why not?

  101. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    pkyankfan69 December 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:22 am
    “Oh yeah I can’t wait for this team to blow for a couple years and maybe be good later!” – Said no one ever.
    ——————————–

    Well duh… But it’s not like we have much of a choice.

    ———————-

    In my sliding doors universe Josh Hamilton is on our team and we are making hay to trade for Giancarlo.

    Denial is a hell of a drug!!

  102. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Shame,

    I have argued unless I am blue in the typing fingertips that they should sign players to reasonable multi year contracts since we presume they plan to field a team in 2014. They cannot wait until next winter to worry about 2014. That would leave way too many holes, and guess what, the prices are not going down.

  103. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Seriously though, I can’t imagine any of our prospects hitting before 2015.. and even then you’re talking a year or two of some inconsistent/growing pains type of performances.

    Things don’t look great right now.. and I hate that they let guys like Maxwell, Cespedes and Melky slip through their fingers.

  104. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Wow – there’s just about nothing left even for a dumpster diver like Cashman!

  105. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Shame,

    I have argued unless I am blue in the typing fingertips that they should sign players to reasonable multi year contracts since we presume they plan to field a team in 2014. They cannot wait until next winter to worry about 2014. That would leave way too many holes, and guess what, the prices are not going down.

    —————-

    I’m still mulling the idea that they stand pat this off season and buck the trend and make a bigger move mid season before the deadline.

    Basically, that’s my way of coping: procrastination disguised as patience.

  106. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    The Blue Jays will sign Soriano.

  107. jacksquat December 19th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    Ichiro with the Yankees 2012:

    .322 .340 .454 .794
    UZR/150: 16.4

    Swisher 2012:

    .272 .364 .473 .837
    UZR/150: 3.4

    If Ichiro hits like he has so far with the Yankees, there is not much difference.

  108. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    The Yankees do have a choice. The same one they have had for years. Exceed the cap.

    It is their money, but it is also their choice. They choose to hope they will have an abundance of good minor league players come up. The reality is many other teams have better ones. Relying on the mid level minor league system to make you competitive is risky to say the least.

  109. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Rafiki: “Change is good.”
    Simba: “Yeah, but it’s not easy.”

    –The Lion King

  110. blake December 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    “jacksquat says:
    December 19, 2012 at 10:33 am
    EJax is medicore and it would be stupid to pay 10+ mil for 3 or 4 years for a mediocre pitcher. Let teams who have trouble getting free agents to sign do that.”

    Last 3 years EJax has thrown right at 600 innings and had an era right at 4 ….and he’s 28 years old.

    If you’re willing to extend Hughes for 3 or 4 years then you should be willing to sign Jackson for a similar contract should Hughes be traded

  111. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Kind of a small sample size on Ichiro compared to Swish, no?

    I dunno for sure, but I’d guess if you looked at their overall numbers the last 2-3 seasons Swish might be the clear favorite. Could be wrong on that.. certainly hope so..

  112. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    EJax isn’t ideal but neither are guys like Ichiro (whom I love) and Youk.

    If EJax will do 3/30 you need to at least consider it. I can’t think of any other guy that we could get for that money to eat that many innings. Like I said earlier, you’re def not getting Andy, Kuroda or even Hughes for those dollars.

  113. The Return of Stoneburner December 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Yankees GM Brian Cashman said he’s open to talking to free agents or discussing trades with other clubs, George A. King III of the New York Post reports. The GM confirmed that he continues talking to Raul Ibanez and his agent, but declined to discuss his interest in free agent outfielder Scott Hairston. Ibanez could become the Yankees’ DH and Hairston could balance out the team’s lefty-heavy outfield.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#dW1WKuspedi55WJM.99

  114. PacoDooley December 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:50 am
    Kind of a small sample size on Ichiro compared to Swish, no?
    ————————–

    Indeed, and the larger sample size he accumulated in Seattle would indicate Swisher is a much better bet. But we can dream that he will indeed be a better performer in NY and in a stadium build for lefties.

  115. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Swish in playoffs, @150+ AB’s: .169/.283/.305

  116. chicken little December 19th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    I have yet to hear a single representative employed (or in an ownership role) of the new York Yankees articulate a plan for building a championship team this year and next year. That leads me to believe that the Yankees plan is exactly what they have been doing so far: sign players to one year contracts unless forced to give a two year deal (like Ichiro who Hal views as a money train) and pray the team somehow is successful enough that the Yankees can pull this plan off again next year (if you notice, no one says championship or season is a failure anymore. Now its “make it to the playoffs and then luck is the sole reason why you win a championship.”) Basically, Hal wants the team to be competitive enough that he can continue to give one year contracts to mediocre players and not be forced to spend any more money than he has to because of huge declines in attendance and horrible press stemming from a losing team. Eventually he figures some of his bad long-term contracts will be gone, the prospects will actually develop into talent (as opposed to the slop the recent crop produced) and then he can sign a couple of big names again and everyone will be happy.
    Unfortunately, Hal forgot the reason why he signed Tex before 2009: it wasn’t because the Yanks desperately needed a 1b (they just traded for Swisher and thought Nady would be the RF) — it was because when premium talent is available, you go for it. Waiting until 2014 to address 2014 is nuts, just like waiting for 2015 when all the great pitchers may be free agents is also nuts. Lots can happen in a year. Hamilton was available. Yes, the Yanks can make do with the slop they plan on putting out there next year, but who is to say, in 2014 or 2015 a comparable option will be available? And if so, how do you know you can sign or trade for him?

  117. blake December 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Doreen says:
    December 19, 2012 at 10:47 am
    The Blue Jays will sign Soriano.

    I agree….I think he’s the missing piece for them

  118. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    But we can dream that he will indeed be a better performer in NY and in a stadium build for lefties.

    ———————-

    Everyone on the denial bandwagon!! Free silver spoons for all!

  119. blake December 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    I’ve only mentioned Jackson as an option should Hughes be traded….as I said this morning if they could trade Hughes for Trumbo and then sign Jackson to a 3 year deal to replace him then that makes the team better IMO

  120. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    I can’t really do a full comparison right now but it looks like Swish has/had a much better SLG/OPS and Ichiro a better BA.

  121. pkyankfan69 December 19th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    Swisher has been dead to me since he complained about the fans giving him a hard time in the playoffs. When you consistently suck year after year in the playoffs, when it really counts, you have to keep your mouth shut when fans get on you. I realize he was always a solid regular season contributor and the Yankees chances of making the playoffs this year are hurt with out having him but I’m glad he’s gone. I hope he goes to a contender like Texas or LA and falls flat on his face again in the playoffs. At least we know if we ever played against a team in the playoffs that had Swisher on it, we would have an automatic out.

  122. jacksquat December 19th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 10:50 am
    Kind of a small sample size on Ichiro compared to Swish, no?

    I dunno for sure, but I’d guess if you looked at their overall numbers the last 2-3 seasons Swish might be the clear favorite. Could be wrong on that.. certainly hope so..

    Ichiro played in Seattle. We don’t know what Swisher’s numbers would have been in that crappy park and that crappy lineup with their crappy no chance of winning.

    Ichiro had 240 pa for the Yankees, not that small. There is no reason to not think he could continue to be more motivated and benefit from hitting in a much better hitter’s park.

  123. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    jacksquat,

    So disregard Ichiro’s year and a half before that? He is 39 and Swisher is 32. Who has the better chance of improving or maintaining?

    Swisher will be paid annually more than twice what anyone would pay Ichiro. That tells us what the MLB professional think of their value and future productivity.

    We all want good things from the team. But, reality is what it is.

  124. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    I don’t care about losing Swisher.. I care about them not replacing his production.

  125. jacksquat December 19th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
    “jacksquat says:
    December 19, 2012 at 10:33 am
    EJax is medicore and it would be stupid to pay 10+ mil for 3 or 4 years for a mediocre pitcher. Let teams who have trouble getting free agents to sign do that.”

    Last 3 years EJax has thrown right at 600 innings and had an era right at 4 ….and he’s 28 years old.

    If you’re willing to extend Hughes for 3 or 4 years then you should be willing to sign Jackson for a similar contract should Hughes be traded

    I don’t like either option unless Hughes improves to be better than average.

  126. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:03 am

    I hope he does….but I think it’s very unlikely that Ichiro replaces Swisher’s production

  127. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Chicken Little,

    Your summary is quite accurate. Sad, but accurate.

  128. jacksquat December 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    It seems austinmac has taken Betsy’s place as board Debbie Downer. Negative, negative, negative, negative, negative every day, all day.

    And others as well. Too much negativity, out for a while. Try considering some of the pluses instead of only the negative, smoke some objective pipe.

  129. The Return of Stoneburner December 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    then sign Jackson to a 3 year deal to replace him then that makes the team better

    ***

    Try 4 for 50 – - – - -

    It doesn’t seem logical for the Rangers to give Edwin Jackson (what would have to be) a four-year, $50MM contract, opines MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan. We heard earlier tonight that the Rangers and Cubs were the final two contenders for Jackson’s services.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#DHrtuX2fWbDdLqoM.99

  130. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    “It seems austinmac has taken Betsy’s place as board Debbie Downer. Negative, negative, negative, negative, negative every day, all day.”

    The truth hurts sometimes

  131. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Ichiro hit .272 .282 .325 on the road as a Yankee & .359 .385 .564 at home. Also hit .375 .384 .542 vs LHP and .289 .313 .403 vs RHP.

    On the road he hit .226 .226 .258 vs LHP & .289 .302 .349 vs RHP

    At home he hit .488 .500 .756 vs LHP & .289 .325 .461 vs RHP

    Some of these things are probably not going to happen again

  132. The Return of Stoneburner December 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Try considering some of the pluses instead of only the negative, smoke some objective pipe.

    *****

    Hear hear – I like this post – - – -

  133. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    jacksquat,

    I haven’t looked, but I bet you Ichiro’s road splits over the last two years are not good. It is his decline. He hit fine in Seattle’s new stadium before turning 38.

    Time waits for no one.

    The Yankees will need to replace Kuroda, Pettitte and likely Hughes in 2014. Ideas?

  134. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    I wouldn’t go 4/50 but I’m not sure Jackson will get that…. It’s simply what he’s asking for

  135. MTU December 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am

    “Yankees GM Brian Cashman said he’s open to talking to free agents or discussing trades with other clubs”

    Good. Please continue.

    :)

  136. The Return of Stoneburner December 19th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    I wouldn’t go 4/50 but I’m not sure Jackson will get that…. It’s simply what he’s asking for

    *****

    You can think what he will get – whether that is the truth – - – -

  137. 86w183 December 19th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Edwin Jackson must be a total jerk.

    How else can you explain someone who is a proven innings eater with excellent stuff pitching for seven teams in eight years?

    I would rather hold on to Hughes, but there are worse options for # 4 or # 5 starters than Jackson.

  138. djsunyc December 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    are we still talking about melky? he was suspended 50 games for PED’s. use your heads people. this isn’t some video game.

  139. chicken little December 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    I don’t see why signing AJax under any circumstances makes sense — he is completely inconsistent and struggled at times in the postseason with wildness. I get that he has “ace-like” talent — but he has been around long enough now that its clear that the “ace-like talent” has yet to translate into being an ace, much less anything more than a #4 starter on a good team. There are dozens of pitchers out there who could give the Yanks the same type of results as AJax, yet on a much shorter contract. Signing AJax will be just like signing Jaret Wright — seems like a good idea because of the talent, but won’t translate into much in terms of wins.

  140. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    jacksquat,

    Please list your pluses for 2014. CC, Teixiera, Robertson. You take it from there.

    My point is not to be a downer. My point is to suggest sitting and doing nothing is not a plan. They need to show signs of a long term plan rather than a one yer replacement every year plan.

    Do you really disagree with that?

  141. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    he was suspended 50 games for PED’s. use your heads people. this isn’t some video game.

    Again? Oh wait it was just the 1 time and now he is under contract for cheap for the next 2 seasons and is a good player

  142. The Return of Stoneburner December 19th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    djsunyc December 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am
    are we still talking about melky? he was suspended 50 games for PED’s. use your heads people. this isn’t some video game.

    *****

    +1 – Melky, like Joba as a starter, and Montero – is the song that will http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0

  143. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    86w183,

    I suspect jackson is simply frustrating to watch pitch. He is akin to Burnet. You watch his stuff and then wonder at his production.

  144. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “You can think what he will get – whether that is the truth – – – -”

    So can you….Im talking in hypotheticals here….if they could get Trumbo for Hugjes and of they could sign Jackson for like 3/30 then Id consider that…..obviously if you can’t then you wouldn’t

  145. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    jacksquat and Soneburner,

    I await your causes for optimism. Is it Ichiro’s .658 OPS on the road in 2011? Oh wait, I thought it was the big park in Seattle that was the problem.

  146. The Return of Stoneburner December 19th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    “You can think what he will get – whether that is the truth – – – -”

    So can you….Im talking in hypotheticals here….if they could get Trumbo for Hugjes and of they could sign Jackson for like 3/30 then Id consider that…..obviously if you can’t then you wouldn’t

    ****

    And I doubt you get him for 3/30 with the Rangers and Cubs in the bidding for him – - – -

  147. 86w183 December 19th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    gotta run…later gang

  148. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Melky for 2/18 will probably be the best value signed this winter

  149. pkyankfan69 December 19th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    My point is not to be a downer. My point is to suggest sitting and doing nothing is not a plan. They need to show signs of a long term plan rather than a one yer replacement every year plan.
    ———————————————–
    Seems like the plan is pretty much to stink in 2014. HOPEFULLY the plan after 2014 is to increase spending again to bring in big time talent while they work in some of the young guys… If they are intent on keeping the budget low(ish) after the luxury rate resets in 2014 then the Yanks are in trouble until the Tex and A-Rod contracts are off the books… I hope that is not the case and if it is their plan as of now, hopefully it will be reconsidered when attendance severely drops off in 2014.

  150. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    “And I doubt you get him for 3/30 with the Rangers and Cubs in the bidding for him – – – -”

    Maybe not….which is why I said “if”

  151. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Austinmac is booing but he wants to cheer….he just needs something to cheer about

  152. The Return of Stoneburner December 19th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    “And I doubt you get him for 3/30 with the Rangers and Cubs in the bidding for him – – – -”

    Maybe not….which is why I said “if”

    *****

    It is not realistic – which is why I posted a reporter who covers the Rangers – doesn’t matter if it is a hypothetical – I could say IF the Yankees get Stanton from the Marlins until I am blue in the face – - – -

  153. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Negative would be abandoning the team; negative would be not being there/here through thick and thin; negative would be not caring. Etc.

  154. The Return of Stoneburner December 19th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:18 am
    jacksquat and Soneburner,

    I await your causes for optimism. Is it Ichiro’s .658 OPS on the road in 2011? Oh wait, I thought it was the big park in Seattle that was the problem.

    ***********

    I would respond, but I thought you did not want to converse with me anymore:

    austinmac December 10th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    Stoneburner,

    Okay then. Thank you for that analysis. All is good if they are not racist or sexist. No further discussion with you is appropriate.

  155. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Exactly Blake. I have supported this team for a long long time through good years and bad. As a fan, good is much more fun.

  156. The Return of Stoneburner December 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Negative would be abandoning the team

    *****

    Oh there has been abandoning of the Yankees from some on the lohud – both actual and constructive – - – -

    Well – off to the doctor with the wife – and remember: “Have faith in the Yankees my son.”

    - – - -

  157. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    I would love a converstion in which you open mindedly discuss a subject. It has not been my experience. Surprise me.

  158. Mike in Harrisburg December 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Edwin Jackson strikes me as the second coming of AJ Burnett.

  159. Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    I don’t think Mac wants to come here and be a downer all day. This is the team he loves and roots for. I don’t know how long he has been a fan but I’m guessing he’s been one since he was a kid. In his opinion he doesn’t like the future outlook for the Yankees. They are cutting back financially and the kids they are banking on kids to save the day.

  160. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    “It is not realistic – which is why I posted a reporter who covers the Rangers – doesn’t matter if it is a hypothetical – I could say IF the Yankees get Stanton from the Marlins until I am blue in the face – – – -”

    3/30 for Jackson isn’t unrealistic….he may get more than that but he was a FA last year and signed a 1 year 10 million dollar deal…..

  161. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Negative-nelly Meeting, this way :arrow:

  162. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Mike in Harrisburg says:
    December 19, 2012 at 11:31 am
    Edwin Jackson strikes me as the second coming of AJ Burnett.

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