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Despite hunting for a right-handed hitter, Ibanez remains on the radar

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 19, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have nearly finalized a deal with Ichiro Suzuki, and general manager Brian Cashman has said he needs a right-handed hitter to bring some balance to his all-lefty outfield. But Cashman also confirmed to the New York Post that the Yankees remain in talks with left-handed Raul Ibanez.

Citing the new CBA, which restricts openly discussing free agent negotiations, Cashman told George King that he wouldn’t talk about potential right-handed options. But Cashman did say that that Yankees “are talking to Raul Ibanez and his agent.”

Ibanez would, in theory, step into the regular DH role against right-handed pitching. However, he would require a platoon partner even more significantly than the current group of outfielders.

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270 Responses to “Despite hunting for a right-handed hitter, Ibanez remains on the radar”

  1. Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    I don’t think Mac wants to come here and be a downer all day. This is the team he loves and roots for. I don’t know how long he has been a fan but I’m guessing he’s been one since he was a kid. In his opinion he doesn’t like the future outlook for the Yankees. They are cutting back financially and the kids they are banking on kids to save the day.

  2. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Why can Shapiro talk about Swisher, but Cashman says he can’t talk about free agents?

  3. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    AAO,

    You are correct. I have been rooting since 1960 and still bear the scars of the late 60s team when they quit spending and got very old. Simply show me some sense for a plan, other than wishing and hoping, going forward and I will be happy.

  4. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    I think those of us that are considered to be negative are better fans. We are openly at war with the team yet we’re still here lol.

    I’m a little confused why people even drop in to push this positive thinking stuff.. come back for ST, the off season belongs to Team Greedy :twisted:

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Source: Free-agent OF Cody Ross visited #Rangers yesterday. Had dinner with team officials, including Washington and Daniels, last night.

  5. MTU December 19th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    I support the “Mac” platform over the more mundane Windows one.

    We can always head for Wells-Gray.

    Gonna brave the cold.

    Out for a hike.

    Later amigos.

    :)

  6. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    blake says:
    December 19, 2012 at 11:39 am
    “It is not realistic – which is why I posted a reporter who covers the Rangers – doesn’t matter if it is a hypothetical – I could say IF the Yankees get Stanton from the Marlins until I am blue in the face – – – -”

    3/30 for Jackson isn’t unrealistic….he may get more than that but he was a FA last year and signed a 1 year 10 million dollar deal…..

  7. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Thanks for your support. Team Greedy may have no power, but we never give up.

    The Rangers’ fans are unhappy with their winter losing out on Greinke, Upton(probably) and Hamilton. They will spend. I wouldn’t be surprised if they add Pierzynski and Ross.

    I would take either one.

  8. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    blake says:
    December 19, 2012 at 11:41 am
    Mike in Harrisburg says:
    December 19, 2012 at 11:31 am
    Edwin Jackson strikes me as the second coming of AJ Burnett.

    AJ at 28 would have been a good deal for 3/30….it just wasn’t for 5/85 at age 31

  9. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    “Negative” is a dysphemism for analytical. Truly. Call it constructively analytical if it makes you feel better. ;)

  10. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Fans that keep quite and positive no matter what the Yankees do are exactly the ones that Hal is counting on to fill the stadium while he cuts payroll

  11. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    @mlbtraderumors: Twins, Rockies, Reds Interested In Freddy Garcia http://t.co/QHGaq5RO #mlb

    Cash better get on it ….

  12. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    blake, too bad those fans here are out of market, so I don’t think they will be filling the Stadium any time soon. ;)

  13. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Ages 28-30 (3 seasons) ….AJ Burnett had a 3.69 ERA

  14. Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    and the kids they are banking on kids to save the day.

    ——————————-

    **and they are banking on kids to save**

  15. djsunyc December 19th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am
    Fans that keep quite and positive no matter what the Yankees do are exactly the ones that Hal is counting on to fill the stadium while he cuts payroll

    ———

    the other ones just make blogs unreadable…

  16. bruceb December 19th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Source: Free-agent OF Cody Ross visited #Rangers yesterday. Had dinner with team officials, including Washington and Daniels, last night.

    OK, so now I’ve figured out why we haven’t signed any free agents this winter.

    Under the new austerity plan, we can’t even afford to buy them dinner.

    Sad, but true.

  17. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Darn I jsut wrote a really good post (if I say so myself) and lost it.

    But basically, I was trying to make the point that it’s okay to be optimistic for optimism’s sake, tht there is nothing wrong with that. But I also believe that every person who is, like myself, more inclined to be glass-half-full, would also acknowledge that this winter has been more like a shopping trip for underwear (basic, necessary). Nothing to jump up and down about. And I’m talking Sears, not Victoria’s Secret here!

    I like to see the silver linings in the clouds, but you also have to acknowledge that there are clouds. The extent to which you do either is a personal choice. Yesterday, I saw the clouds. Today’s a little better. Until someone brings up losing Phil Hughes again. Then I’ll see the clouds.

    On that note, I think I’ve come to a personal realization that I’m okay with the Yankees not going after new FAs this season, but I’m having a hard time with the possibility of not signing our own homegrowns who are very good to star players when they become FAs. I want the silver lining to be they keep Cano and Hughes and build around them.

  18. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “the other ones just make blogs unreadable…”

    Would you rather have a good team or a blog that is in your opinion…readable and filled with sunshine and rainbows?

  19. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Odds, those kids will have better approaches at the plate than the vets though. We at least teach them to shorten up and go oppo in the minors; then KLong gets a hold of them and all hell breaks loose.

  20. Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    AAO,

    You are correct. I have been rooting since 1960 and still bear the scars of the late 60s team when they quit spending and got very old. Simply show me some sense for a plan, other than wishing and hoping, going forward and I will be happy.

    ——————————-

    Exactly. There has to be some type of plan going forward. If the kids in the mL were closer I think everyone would be ok with it, We’re talking about players at best 2-3 yrs away and when they get here they have to adjust to this level. Whats the chance once of the kids from A ball has a Mike Trout or Bryce Harper season. Hell what are the chances they have an 05 Cano season.

  21. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    YF,

    Yes, Hal is not concerned about my lack of spending. Darn shame(of the non-Spencer type).

  22. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    “On that note, I think I’ve come to a personal realization that I’m okay with the Yankees not going after new FAs this season, but I’m having a hard time with the possibility of not signing our own homegrowns who are very good to star players when they become FAs. I want the silver lining to be they keep Cano and Hughes and build around them.”

    I think they’ll keep Cano and pay way too much to do it….but if they sign Cano I can see no way they sign Hughes and stay on their budget…..

  23. MTU December 19th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Beware of false dichotomies like “good fan” or “bad fan”.

    And watch your definitions.

    Gotta run.

    Or hike, as the case may be.

    ;)

  24. Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Odds, those kids will have better approaches at the plate than the vets though. We at least teach them to shorten up and go oppo in the minors; then KLong gets a hold of them and all hell breaks loose.

    ————————-

    Klong: Romine I need you to swing like Martin. Yea the average would be low but you’d hit a ton of home runs. Power….we love power.

  25. DONNYBROOK December 19th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Notice that Cashman has Stopped referring to himself\”I”, when asked about negotiations with free agents? He used to Not be shy about crediting his role in pursuing and signing free agents, with comments like, “I’m” casting a wide net”. Those days are gone. Cashman’s refusal to comment on the Ibanez negotiations are a reflection of his non-existent role in negotiating with, and eventually signing free agents. He has NO idea where the current Ibanez negotiations are.

  26. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    AAO,

    They could have opted to wait to cut back on payroll until their prospects are closer–say 2015-2016. As JF has tought us, it is really not that much money difference in 2014 from 2013 when it comes to luxury tax.

  27. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Shame -

    Don’t get into the “better fan” thing. ;)

    I think some fans are more knowledgeable about the minutiae of the team than others, and more into the stuff that isn’t between the foul lines, but it doesn’t make them better than, say, my mom, who will travel from her home in south-eastern Florida to Tampa twice a year to watch her Yankees in person, and suffer the cowbells and the yucky environment to do so.

  28. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Odds, lol. Sad but true. Romine likes to go opp a lot; let’s see how long that lasts. ;)

  29. blake December 19th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “Odds, those kids will have better approaches at the plate than the vets though. We at least teach them to shorten up and go oppo in the minors; then KLong gets a hold of them and all hell breaks loose.”

    Hairy monster ball!

  30. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    blake -

    You can’t have rain everyday, though. Rainbows and sunshine are necessary.

    ;)

  31. blake December 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    @TarYank6: @BryanHoch Ibanez is one of the few players that could make the Yanks average age actually increase….so he’s a must sign

  32. Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    AAO,

    They could have opted to wait to cut back on payroll until their prospects are closer–say 2015-2016. As JF has tought us, it is really not that much money difference in 2014 from 2013 when it comes to luxury tax.

    ——————

    That would have been better because they could have traded players that they knew they couldn’t keep long and term and maybe replace them with an Upton or another player on that level.

    True there isn’t much of a difference which is why I smh when someone posts this:

    Bottom line:
    In comparing payrolls of $189m vs. $210m:
    If we have a payroll of $189m in 2014 ONLY,
    the Yankees will save from $38m to $44.5m in 2014, and then an additional $13m over thn next 3 years.

    If the payroll is $189m in 2014 and 2015,
    the Yankees will save from $79m to $95.5m by 2015, and then an additional $13m over thn next 3 years.

    I am for this.
    When considering the roster loses in 2014 (Andy, Mo, Grandy, Kiroki, Youk),
    the uncertainty of Cano and Hughes, the possible continued decline of ARod, Teix and Jeter (if he’s still around) and arb raises (specifically to Gritner, Joba and DRob), even with NO budget, 2014 is a rebilding year.

    Even with spending a ton, 2014 and 2015 are tough years.
    However, by 2016, any of our promising kids who are going to make it in MLB, will be up. Reinvest the $110m saved, and we can start to build a dynasty again.

  33. blake December 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    “Doreen says:
    December 19, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    blake -

    You can’t have rain everyday, though. Rainbows and sunshine are necessary.”

    :)

  34. Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Odds, lol. Sad but true. Romine likes to go opp a lot; let’s see how long that lasts. ;)

    ————————–

    Well if he’s the starting C this season it won’t last long :( lol.

  35. champ809 December 19th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    The Yanks have declared their strategy going forward and I for one support it if it means they are going to COMMIT to infusing the 2013-’14-’15 rosters with the young talents that our minor league system is producing.

    I think that the braintrust can clearly see that we’d be in much better overall shape right now with say Jesus, AJax and IPK in the fold than building their respective careers in other cities from both a cost and roster perspective.

    I’d actually be intrigued seeing guys like Romine and Mesa get playing time and at bats this season along with Nunez getting 400 or so at bats as well.

    The fawning and or overpaying for guys like Scott Hairston and ilk makes no sense to me. If we are going to go on a payroll reduction program then let’s just do it starting with not making more 1yr stopgap moves @ 6-8mil per.

  36. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Doreen,

    Your mother is brave to withstand the cowbells. Boy, would I hate to sit in a seat with those around.

    I agree on losing our own players. We could always rely on them returning if the team wanted them.

    The Yankees have relied on money for a long, long time for an advantage. When I was a kid, the A’s were referred to as the Yankees AAA team. That’s how they got Maris. They should not give away the natural big market advantage.

  37. G. Love December 19th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    I ran into my Yankee mole at the place we both frequent the other day & listened as he held court talking about the team with several guys. The guy is usually like the fans are here; tough on the team and frustrated with them. He sounds even more frustrated with them than usual.

    He alluded to there being a problem with Cashman and the bosses & that Cashman had told the bosses that his moves would all pay off and the system would be ready by now and they are holding him to his word.

    He said they weren’t going to give Cashman the money for Martin since Cashman swore to them that Romine would be ready by 2013 & that’s the reason why they traded the other one (who I assumed to be Montero). Paraphrasing him, he said they won’t bail Cashman out of his mistakes in judgement any longer. He made it sound like they won’t let Cashman sign any long term deals at all but made it sound like it had more to do with his judgment than the budget. I was going to ask about the budget, but I usually just listen and don’t say anything when he’s spouting off.

    He did say that the divide with Cashman was because of his personal life problems hitting the media, the team collapsing in the playoffs again and all the prospects he swore would be ready not being anywhere near ready. One guy asked if they were going to fire him and he said “maybe, depends on how they team does next year”. He also said they know they don’t want him handling the next Jeter contract since he screwed it up last time.

    He painted a picture of dysfunction in the front office and a GM who is on his last legs.

    Again, this is just what I hear from a person ranking high in Yankee-land. These could just be his opinions or conjecture.

  38. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
    yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Odds, lol. Sad but true. Romine likes to go opp a lot; let’s see how long that lasts.
    ______________
    “Well if he’s the starting C this season it he won’t last long lol.”

    Fixed. :)

  39. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    champ,

    I generally agree and that’s why I hoped they would give Adams a chance this year at 3rd. I hope they give Romine a chance rather than using players we know will never improve.

    I oppose signing one year, old guys while the young players never get a sniff. If they are going to go young, they must start giving them experience. They can’t have ten guys next year who have never played in the majors.

  40. blake December 19th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    If all that is true then get rid of Cashman or move him to a different position …..they can’t have a neutered GM making decisions.

    Personally I think a lot of the recent decisions Cashman has made we’re because he was trying to make this budget work….the Granderson trade….the Montero trade….he’s trying to do things to save money and he really doesn’t have much experience working on a budget….

    Are the Yankees surprised that Cashman isn’t all that good at doing something he’s never really done?

  41. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    G Love,

    That is not a pretty picture, but it does strike me as realistic. Cashman’s prospects have been either traded or a couple years away.

    I also wonder if Cashman,emasculated in public, will want to return.

  42. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    I’m out but will peek in from my phone in a bit.

    Doreen, agree it will hurt a lot to lose Hughes and Cano; homegrowns are special. We nurture them from the minors to the majors, grow through their growing pains with them, and love them more. Just the way it is.

  43. RMS December 19th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    A rightie DH? Youk, Nunez, Nix, and Alex when he comes back.

    Rightie hitting outfielder is needed. Since the majority of pitchers are righties, I can’t believe there is nobody in the minors to fill that role.

  44. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Doreen – No I refrain from that argument, I was just presenting it in defense of all of the ‘complainers’ on the blog that I think are misclassified. I think everyone here is a Yankee fan.

    GLove- ‘The next Jeter contract’ part is VERY interesting to me.

    Also, this sort of reminds me of what the Jets did the other night with Tebow. Rex and co. decided Tebow would start in that sequence regardless of the circumstances and didn’t diverge from the plan, despite that Sanchez actually gained some momentum. This whole Romine thing sounds a bit similar. Cash said he’d be ready in 2013 and despite that he got injured last year they already expected to let Martin go and for Romine to fill the void (without giving him any MLB playing time last year when he did return.. but I digress..).

  45. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Can’t blame Cash for Romine getting hurt (although he’s had concussions and hasn’t been overly durable), but can for equating him with Montero. Later.

  46. Against All Odds December 19th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    I would agree with these parts:

    and all the prospects he swore would be ready not being anywhere near ready

    He alluded to there being a problem with Cashman and the bosses & that Cashman had told the bosses that his moves would all pay off and the system would be ready by now and they are holding him to his word.

    that Romine would be ready by 2013 & that’s the reason why they traded the other one (who I assumed to be Montero).

  47. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Blake,

    They can’t have a neutered GM NOT making the decisions. Fixed.

    We don’t know what power he has. If he really had no authority to act at the meetings, that would be remarkable.

  48. G. Love December 19th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    blake,

    I always read between the lines and my imagination runs pretty wild. You want my take?

    The owners are setting up Cashman as the fall guy while they slash the budget to reap the rewards. I think they’ve handcuffed him and are going to start releasing a narrative out into the world that his mistakes led to the current decision making that is going on. They’re going blame prospects not developing, trading the wrong one’s, etc. if they don’t make the playoffs.

    Again, this guy who I’ve confirmed works high up in the Yankee org talks more like a caller on WFAN when I hear him talking about the team. He could just be spouting off trying to impress a group of guys in towels or there can be some truth in it.

    Last time I heard him talk about the team he did say they loved Ichiro and wanted him back. They were just concerned about his age, but felt he had the body like Jeter that would age well.

  49. blake December 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Every team makes mistakes..spending out of them is what has made the Yankees the Yankees and its why they have made the playoffs 15 out of 16 years….

  50. blake December 19th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    “The owners are setting up Cashman as the fall guy while they slash the budget to reap the rewards. I think they’ve handcuffed him and are going to start releasing a narrative out into the world that his mistakes led to the current decision making that is going on. They’re going blame prospects not developing, trading the wrong one’s, etc. if they don’t make the playoffs.”

    This is 100% what they are doing….

  51. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Getting rid of Cashman’s 3 mil+ salary and replacing him with a 300k Eppler or Oppenheimer seems like a plan HAL would endorse

  52. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Is the conclusion that Cashman offered Martin a three year deal because he thought Romine’s back would keep him from succeeding, but he no longer thinks that and that is why two years were not offered?

    I don’t understand it otherwise since the future cap was known at that time of the three year offer.

  53. blake December 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Romine got hurt, Banuelos got hurt, Cashman felt pressured to trade Montero for pitching because ownership wouldn’t buy Darvish….he felt pressure to trade for Granderson because they wouldn’t buy Holiday etc…..

    Some of where they are is on Cashman….but the buck stops with ownership

  54. G. Love December 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    austinmac,

    My take, from what I heard, was Cashman had told his bosses that Romine would be starting by 2013 and they weren’t going to bail him out of it by offering Martin a contract.

    That said, it doesn’t explain why the Yankees had offered Martin a 3 year deal last year. I guess that offer was a reaction to Romine having the back problems in last years Arizona Fall League?

    I’m guessing Romine is healthy and they are holding Cash to his word that he’s ready as some kind of grading system of his evaluation abilities.

  55. chicken little December 19th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    I agree that the buck stops with ownership. That said, Cashman has been extremely tentative in signing international prospects, and the players in his farm system have not developed anywhere near what he repeatedly advertised they would. Further, he stubbornly held on to the slop he developed, while trading away the one prospect who actually looked like he may reach his potential. Ownership might be making a difficult situation impossible because of being cheap, but at some point, Cashman has to take the blame for the lack up upper level talent in the minors. Also, we throw around the A ball talent a lot on this blog, but a year or so ago we did the same with the AAA talent and look what happened. Are we really that confident that with Cashman in charge the A ball talent won’t meet the same fate?

  56. blake December 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    “My take, from what I heard, was Cashman had told his bosses that Romine would be starting by 2013 and they weren’t going to bail him out of it by offering Martin a contract.”

    He got hurt and they traded Montero ….so just go into 2013 with no catcher to punish Cashman ? Ok…..

  57. blake December 19th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Morales still #Angels player most likely to go. Desired return: Innings-eating SP. Morales won’t get qualifying offer as FA at end of ’13.

  58. blake December 19th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I don’t think pinning it on Cashman will work if they start losing ….because the payroll decreasing will be what fans will focus on and Cashman has nothing to do with that

  59. RadioKev December 19th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    G. Love December 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    austinmac,

    My take, from what I heard, was Cashman had told his bosses that Romine would be starting by 2013 and they weren’t going to bail him out of it by offering Martin a contract.

    That said, it doesn’t explain why the Yankees had offered Martin a 3 year deal last year. I guess that offer was a reaction to Romine having the back problems in last years Arizona Fall League?

    I’m guessing Romine is healthy and they are holding Cash to his word that he’s ready as some kind of grading system of his evaluation abilities.
    ————-

    I’d like to believe this is all not true, because it’s so stupid.

    But hey, I’m a Jets fan. I guess I can believe an organization can be that stupid.

  60. RadioKev December 19th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    But no offense to you, or your source, G. Love, but there’s always a bit of he-said she-said stuff with this. Interesting perspective though.

  61. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    On some level it makes sense.. tie his hands and let him take the fall.

    But like I said, making decisions without context or not having any ability to adapt to a change in circumstances is clearly what is screwing us right now. That much is very obvious.

    Don’t let that stop anyone from trying to convince me there’s a real plan and has been one for years or anything.. I wouldn’t want to spoil whatever fun one might get out of that.. but I just don’t see it.

  62. blake December 19th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    @KenDavidoff: My Hall of Fame ballot, Cliff’s Notes: ?Bagwell, ?Biggio, ?Bonds, ?Clemens, ?Lofton, ?Martinez, ?Raines, ?Schilling, ?Trammell and ?Walker.

  63. champ809 December 19th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    I think Hal just believes and rightly so that an efficient, effective organization should be able to compete and win titles without having to always buy star players. If the Yanks had shown more patience and faith in their development process and the results then they would be in a better place than they are now.

    I think Hal also realizes that the Yanks have paid close to $243mil in luxury tax which is about 90% of all luxury tax revenue collected by MLB in the last 10 years and that can’t make any sense to any responsible owner.

    It’s unfair to Ca$h in the sense that the Yanks have operated under a 1yr performance review model for years and it’s near impossible to make the best decisions when you do that.

    If you are looking at your team through a 3-5yr prism then maybe you don’t give up on developing Joba as a starter after his 1yr + trial, maybe you keep AJax and let him break in as the CF’er of the future for your team as opposed to the thinking that Granderson gives you a better chance to be the WS champs in ’10.

    I would love to see guys like Dave Adams, Romine, Nuney and Mesa get their shot at being big leaguers. Much more interesting to me than a team with guys like Hairston and Cody Ross or Stephen Drew for the millions that they command.

  64. champ809 December 19th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    An d I for 1 concur specifically about not signing Martin. If he had 1500 at bats with us 80% of them were acutely unproductive. He’d go months where he was the most automatic of automatic outs in the league and the couple a start of the season hot streak and another streak in Sept. to decent looking #’s. No way is he worth 8+MM per year.

  65. G. Love December 19th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    RadioKev,

    No offense taken. It’s a guy who works for the Yankees spouting off in a locker room setting. He clearly loves the sound of his own voice and loves the fact that he generates a crowd of people listening to him when he talks his insider-y Yankee stuff out loud. I’ve only ever seen him wearing stuff with the Yankees logo on it. He’s clearly very proud to be affiliated with them as he should be. That said, I take it all with a grain of salt. I mean, it’s not Cashman I’m talking about clearly, so after having worked in office settings in my life I know how everyone talks smack about the guy supposedly running things when they’re not around.

    Some of it does add up a bit. The stuff about them setting up Cashman to be the fall guy if they don’t win while cutting the budget is my theory. It does seem to me that more and more stories are coming out where you hear Cashman is neutered by the front office.

  66. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    blake says:
    December 19, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    “The owners are setting up Cashman as the fall guy while they slash the budget to reap the rewards. I think they’ve handcuffed him and are going to start releasing a narrative out into the world that his mistakes led to the current decision making that is going on. They’re going blame prospects not developing, trading the wrong one’s, etc. if they don’t make the playoffs.”

    This is 100% what they are doing….
    —–
    Except the owners were the ones who gave Alex the ludicrous contract…

  67. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    If it’s about development, they suck at that too, unfortunately.

    Just look at Romine… from reports, we already know the Yankee FO believed Martin would be gone this year before any negotiations even took place. That idea is reinforced by the fact that we never made an offer. Yet, when Romine did return, they didn’t call him up at all. If he was meant to be the answer in 2013, then they should have given him some playing time at the end of the year when they were fielding a B-line up going into the playoffs anyway.

  68. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    @YankeesWFAN

    Some interest in Ibanez but as of last night a deal was not close. Things can change quickly in Yankee-land.

    ———————

    It sounds like Sweeny is excited about this… I hope ‘things can change quickly in Yankee-land’ means they’ll trade for a better player.

  69. blake December 19th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    “Except the owners were the ones who gave Alex the ludicrous contract…”

    Yup

  70. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Except the owners were the ones who gave Alex the ludicrous contract…

    —————

    Lol, yeah and are using him as a scapegoat as well.

    They’re ridiculously transparent.

    I wonder what Levine’s role in all of this is. I can’t imagine him going to the wall for Cash.

  71. blake December 19th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    They need to get Raul locked up because he’s like the only guy that could increase the average age of the team

  72. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    Now that we haven’t signed Hamilton or Melky, neutered by the front office might be a good thing in the long run. Lots of young cost controlled talent coming up from the farm… if we don’t trade it for a short term fix. Those elite kids are still increasing their value, so better to keep them right now than to deal them in an overpay. Even if this year’s team is unwatchable…

  73. blake December 19th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    YF,

    Maybe so…..I could handle a step back of I knew there was a good plan on place…..just not sure there is

  74. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Is the FO all that interested in watching these kids play though? I’m not sure a trade isn’t off the table. It doesn’t sound like they want to see the kids play as much as they want to hold Cash accountable for the lack of AAA talent in the system.

    Either way, this sounds like a nose cutting to spite your face thingy.

  75. Ys Guy December 19th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    blake is kleinman in “shadows and fog”

    What’s the plan?

  76. blake December 19th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: swisher should probably start thinking about #indians or elsewhere; his LA dream aint happenin’. http://t.co/UQ07CWZN

  77. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Marchand is talking about Wells again. Please, no. I would rather try Melky Mesa. Or anyone. His last two years have been remarkably bad.

  78. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    going forward, recognizing, procuring and developing talents will be integral to the welfare of every organizations in baseball. The writings are the wall, Yanks will always have financial advantage, but they need realize that soon than later and start trusting from within.

  79. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    You know, ownership went along with the plan to draft pitchers and catchers first, with the plan to keep some and trade some. They knew that the position players would be further down the road.

    it wasn’t just the Yankees who were “blowing the horn” on some of these prospects. There were bona fide top prospects here.

    The road from prospect to major leaguer, and further to Yankees major leaguer, is not an easy one. The obstacles include injury, hitting a lower ceiling than anyone anticipated, Major league players not planning on retiring any time soon, and trade.

    I think Yankees ownership has NEVER been one to be patient with a plan to grow from within. The only time they were successful was when there were no Steinbrenners around, and other people were allowed to have greater input.

    I think it may very well be that Cashman will be used as a scapegoat, but I think Cashman’s plan was a decent one. You can never predict precisely, especially given the fact that the Yankees, with the best or close to the best record in the majors on a yearly basis for over a decade, and with losing draft picks due to signing free agents, had to draft high risk high potential players, the operative word being RISK.

    It could be that ownership only wanted to wade ankle deep – which means getting the prospects and then not really funding the necessary supports (and this I do not know whether they did or not – I only know that people here seem to assume they did not, I’ve never seen expository articles anywhere else).

    I think, though, that in hindsight, the agreement to try to rebuild the farm system had to have been with the idea being that the Yankees could eventually cut payroll. One of the problems with a farm system though, is that when the product is ready is not quite so cut-and-dried.

  80. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Cashmoney -

    I think the Yankees think they can never be viewed as a team that is “rebuilding.” I think that is why they are rebuilding under cover of cutting payroll to meet the new CBA incentives.

    I do think that Cashman realized that they’d have to get out of their total dependence on the FA market, and that is why he was able to convince ownership to get on board with a plan to rebuild the farm. But as I said, the whole process was probably embraced at arms length.

  81. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    from a 2011 & 12 retrospective, the only big time prospect Yanks should have reason to expect to ready are on the pitching because heck, they trade Montero for more pitching. The way Hal single out 2 bees last spring tells me how much he is counting that end. I always find little funny Manbam’s operations came after 4 months of evaluation, I bet Cashman was sweating bullets after Pineda and hope against hope that he has some good news for Hal… carry on.

  82. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    Cash though unfortunately traded the MLB ready prospects with the least risk, and took the greatest risk by dealing for a young pitcher, disregarding the injury matrix and the lack of MLB-ready offense in the minors.

  83. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Cashmoney -

    Pitching and a catcher. I think they bargained on having one or both of Montero and Romine ready to catch (at least part time) when Posada retired or close to.

    They knew the position players wouldn’t be ready now because they didn’t draft them right away.

  84. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    The model to build up the farm though admirable was a necessity not some innovative move by the Yanks, necessitated by a league-wide trend to lock up players and not let most of the top ones get to FA.

  85. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    It is obviously more difficult to build a farm system when drafting near or at the bottom. The international market and overpaying for lower draft picks used to be the only way to use financial clout to build the system. The Yankees have somewhat shied away from that the last few years. That option is now down.

    The only way to enhance the farm then is with good scouting and development. the new Dodger ownership has said they will spend in that area as well to be second to none. I don’t know what the Yankees are doing in that regard, but I hope they agree they must.

    If one looks at past top 100 prospect lists it is remarkable how few turn out to be top players. A team, to be successful, needs to acquire players by using all avenues.

    l

  86. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Doreen, I think Cashman has done a decent job turning a barren farm into a mediocre one. but in NY, decent is profanity word to the Yankees and its fans. And in truth, I think they could have done better it’s a group effort. I think most fans are expressing frustrations because the middling ground they seem to stand on in a sense of making a profit while trying to rebuild. The failures of aggressively pursuing available talents before new cba, the 14 mandate, trading your one prime hitting prospects are indications of a lack coherent plan and clear direction from an organization standpoint.

    Is Cashman singularly at fault here, no. The assumptions is this and is validated somewhat thru out FA this year. The available talent will be lessen going forward. The demand has greatly tip supply side. you need actual talents to trade talents. I have maintain the Yanks are better off in rebuilding when one assess their decrepit core and the lack top tier talents as we speak.

  87. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    yankeefeminista -

    Kinda boggles the mind a bit. I was “okay” with the Granderson trade – I had always been a fan of his, and thought he was a good addition. Losing Jackson/Kennedy didn’t feel great, but I did think Granderson was worth it.

    That other trade. There’s got to be more to it yankeefeminista. Just got to be. Something they didn’t like about him that made him in their minds expendable. Or they were starting to have doubts about the B’s and figured they did need another young arm and that was the price. Doesn’t matter, really.

    They only seem willing to risk promoting pitchers that they can stick in the bullpen to slowly gauge how they’ll fare in the major leagues. Nova and Phelps and even Noesi were given good opportunities. The position players haven’t gotten the same exposure. and the ones that were given some ML playing time, you knew they weren’t gonna stick (Curtis, Reynolds, and the like). Only Gardner stuck.

    It is tougher for the Yankees to go youth – for one thing, they’ve got players at every infield position that can’t be moved (Jeter, Cano, Arod, Tex). The outfield is the only place they’ve got some flexibility. I think if Montero could have played OF even a little, he’d still be here. My mind wonders whether they approached him about it and he balked. I hate to even bring him up.

  88. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    The Angels want an innings eater for Morales. Give them Hughes for Kendrys and Conger then either put Phelps in the rotation or go out and ink Brett Myers (who wants to start) or Francisco Liriano to a 1 year deal

  89. blake December 19th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    @KenDavidoff: And here are my explanations again. #HOF http://t.co/FgJgJEIv

    Davidoff making sense

  90. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    austinmac -

    Yup. You have to leave no stone unturned and look at every alternative.

    I don’t feel comfortable categorically saying the Yankees are doing everything wrong.

    Yankeefeminista, yes, out of necessity, but they did do it and they didn’t wait until now – they did try and get a head start.

  91. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Doreen,

    They had an opening at 3B this year and spendt $12 million rather than trying them. Like some others, I felt that that money should have been spent elsewhere and try Adams/Mustelier there.

    I don’t have first hand observations, but statistically they look like they may be able to perform. I am not sure we can say that about catcher or RF.

    I will also admit I was okay with the Granderson trade. Can we have do overs?

  92. blake December 19th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    If Im trading Hughes to LA then I want Trumbo or no deal

  93. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    I like Morales before he got hurt for an extensive period of time. That’s a trade i would do chips, the scary side is the lack of depth in sp once you part with an inning eater. I think i be optimistic in thinking P will pitch 150 this year. Then you have kuroda who exceed his career innings LY and CC coming off non pitching surgery. under your plan, I like to see another starter. btw, I am not sure Angel will do that deal.

  94. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Blake –

    Why do you want Trumbo so badly? Aside from the first half of last year he has been quite awful.

  95. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: #yankees, ichiro hoping to finalize language issues today. agreement was $13M, 2 yrs. $6.5M each yr.

    Not terrible…..but if Ichiro falls off a cliff this year then that’s just 7 million less they have to spend in 2014

  96. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    that’s the risk you take with all contracts though. CC could blow out his elbow and miss all of next year with TJ surgery.

  97. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    I didn’t like spending $12 million on a stop-gap either. I know they have to replace some offense somewhere and it doesn’t look like it’s coming from the C position. But how do you talk about having a budget, and then spend $12 million for a guy who will not be here next year and wouldn’t be here if ARod didn’t get hurt?

    The ARod injury really did hurt them. A lot.

    But they had a ready excuse to try a kid/veteran platoon. I think they don’t expect ARod back at all.

  98. Ys Guy December 19th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    if the yankees didnt bring in a 3b and adams couldn’t cut it there, they’d get murdered on here. as it is, adams or whoever will likely still get time at 3b since youk likely isnt going to play every single day. the test of whether they will let the farm guys fill holes will be whether they bring in a b/u 3bman. and they let chavez go so it’s looking now like they will let someone fill that spot.

  99. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    “Blake –

    Why do you want Trumbo so badly? Aside from the first half of last year he has been quite awful.”

    I don’t want him “bad”….he’s got warts but he a cost controlled RH power bat and Id probably give up a year of Hughes for that…..why do you want Wells and Conger so bad?

  100. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Wells is shot and Conger hasn’t been very good in the big leagues either

  101. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Chip says:
    December 19, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    that’s the risk you take with all contracts though. CC could blow out his elbow and miss all of next year with TJ surgery.

    CC isn’t almost 40 and didn’t play like a replacement player for nearly two years either….

  102. Doreen December 19th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Ys Guy. Hope you are right about that.

    I gotta say, it could be a very interesting year all around.

  103. G. Love December 19th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    I kind of feel bad for Swisher. The market for him really isn’t developing and because his wife is a young-ish actress, I’m sure he’s trying to find NY or LA to be able to be near her during part of the season.

    The fact is, he’s not a middle of the order hitter and the book on him about his inability to adjust to breaking pitches is spot on.

    I think the only way he’ll get an overpay is to end up in a Seattle/Cleveland situation unless Texas panics.

    If he just hit a little in the post season none of this would be happening. His regular season stats are good, but if you’re a team looking at spending the kind of money he’s looking for you want to know you’re putting a cornerstone bat in the middle of the order and he’s just not that.

    What I’m stunned about is that the Mets haven’t chased him. They have no OF. Seriously. They have nothing. At the very least, he’d give them a RF and sometime 1b who would be the 2nd best hitter on the team and likes playing in NY.

    I think the longer this goes on, the more possibility of him coming back to the Yankees exists if his price is driven down and they know they can trade Granderson for something good.

    If you had to choose between keeping Grandy for 1 more year or trading him and re-signing Swisher for 3-4 years, what would do?

    I think I’d re-sign Swisher, as much as I don’t like him as a player, and trade Grandy for something better than the eventual sandwich pick.

  104. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Trumbo could have upside… unlike every other player we’ve chased this off season. blake’s just trying to change the pace ;)

  105. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    “Blake –

    Why do you want Trumbo so badly? Aside from the first half of last year he has been quite awful.”

    I don’t want him “bad”….he’s got warts but he a cost controlled RH power bat and Id probably give up a year of Hughes for that…..why do you want Wells and Conger so bad?
    ———–

    I didn’t say Wells – I said Morales. I would take Wells if the Angels want to cover his entire contract; he can cover all three outfield spots and be a right hander against left handed pitching.

    Conger’s a young, switch hitting catcher who has shown good bat skills in the minors and has major league experience, something the Yankees could use right now as insurance in case Romine’s back doesn’t hold up or he’s just not ready.

    Morales is a 30 year old power hitter who would slot in nicely at DH, can play a little 1b and would crush the ball in Yankee Stadium. Plus you still get the draft pick for him that you would have gotten for Hughes by making him a QO at the end of the season.

    Trumbo, on the other hand, is a slightly better Shelley Duncan.

  106. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    Also, getting Trumbo for Hughes is better than losing Hughes and getting nothing…. which is seeming more and more likely since we’ve heard nothing regarding an extension.

    Maybe we should be hoping the team tanks in the first half so they can have a fire sale…?

    I can’t do it.. I just can’t do it!!!

  107. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    “If you had to choose between keeping Grandy for 1 more year or trading him and re-signing Swisher for 3-4 years, what would do?”

    Depends on what I can get for Granderson and what AAV Swisher signs for…..all things equal inthinknid rather have the next 3 years of Swisher than Granderson if the money was the same….

  108. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Maybe we should be hoping the team tanks in the first half so they can have a fire sale…?
    —-
    I am hoping because that is only way to force their hands in seeing the inevitability of rebuilding .

  109. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Trumbo has 60 HRs combined the last 2 years. Thats no Shelley Duncan. Its not even slightly better than Shelley Duncan. Its considerably better.

    He has real value going forward, even if it means to another team in a trade.

  110. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Chip says:
    December 19, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    that’s the risk you take with all contracts though. CC could blow out his elbow and miss all of next year with TJ surgery.

    CC isn’t almost 40 and didn’t play like a replacement player for nearly two years either….
    ——————-

    Nope, but he’s a guy with a lot of miles on his arm who had injury issues last season.

  111. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    “Conger’s a young, switch hitting catcher who has shown good bat skills in the minors and has major league experience, something the Yankees could use right now as insurance in case Romine’s back doesn’t hold up or he’s just not ready.”

    He hasn’t hit really at all at the big league level and I’m not sure Morales would be a better DH than Ibanez….he can’t hit lefties at all either

  112. G. Love December 19th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    blake,

    I don’t know why, but I’d bet Cleveland’s offer was something like 4/48. If he’s in 12 million a year land or less, the Yankees should get in and trade Grandy. They’ll get prospects or players for Grandy and shave 3 million (I think) off the payroll swapping a 12 million Swisher for a 15 million Grandy.

    I like Grandy on the Yankees, but his performance last year at the plate was abysmal outside of the HR’s.

  113. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Trumbo has 60 HRs combined the last 2 years. Thats no Shelley Duncan. Its not even slightly better than Shelley Duncan. Its considerably better.

    He has real value going forward, even if it means to another team in a trade.
    —————

    Ok, the Shelley Duncan thing was a cheap shot, I admit it. But he’s not very good. He’s a right handed Curtis Granderson minus the defensive ability or speed.

  114. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Shelley Duncan?? Nooooo.

  115. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Also not sure Morales is the kind of guy you’d offer a QO too.

  116. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Jeter SS
    Ichiro RF
    Cano 2B
    Tex 1B
    Trumbo DH
    Granderson LF
    Youkallis 3B
    AJP C
    Gardner CF

    That’s a pretty strong lineup

  117. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Ok, the Shelley Duncan thing was a cheap shot, I admit it. But he’s not very good. He’s a right handed Curtis Granderson minus the defensive ability or speed.

    I don’t like his ability to not walk, but he hit in the minors & in the majors, which is more than Hank Conger & anyone who hits 30 Hrs a year is valuable. Also entering his prime.

  118. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    I believe you can prey on teams desperations and strike at the right time in trading AP,Kuroda, MO and maybe even Jeter if things goes awry. 3 of which aren’t likely to back in 14.

  119. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Morales probably won’t be a QO guy….especially with the budget….too much risk he’d say yes and that’s 13 million for a DH

  120. yankeefeminista December 19th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    It is tougher for the Yankees to go youth – for one thing, they’ve got players at every infield position that can’t be moved (Jeter, Cano, Arod, Tex). The outfield is the only place they’ve got some flexibility. I think if Montero could have played OF even a little, he’d still be here. My mind wonders whether they approached him about it and he balked. I hate to even bring him up.
    ——
    Doreen, unfortunately he is lead-footed, so OF would never work. As for the trade, it was based on a catcher defense “fetish” and overrating the offense, and also seeing the DH “position” as a resting spot, which doesnt necessarily give you your best lineup. Also we became enchanted w/the cost effective Rays pitching model, while failing at developing our own young pitchers, although Manny wasn’t yet a TJS candidate and Betances hadn’t yet had the 2012 control problems. I just think misevaluation of O and of our pitching were the two factors.

  121. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    “I don’t know why, but I’d bet Cleveland’s offer was something like 4/48. If he’s in 12 million a year land or less, the Yankees should get in and trade Grandy. They’ll get prospects or players for Grandy and shave 3 million (I think) off the payroll swapping a 12 million Swisher for a 15 million Grandy.”

    At that price I agree…..but I don’t think the Yanks will do if….they could put Gardner in Cf and Ichiro in LF and you’d have whatever Grandy brings too

  122. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Even if Trumbo cannot play them that well, he can still play 2 positions the Yankees potentially need to cover in RF/3B

  123. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    “Conger’s a young, switch hitting catcher who has shown good bat skills in the minors and has major league experience, something the Yankees could use right now as insurance in case Romine’s back doesn’t hold up or he’s just not ready.”

    He hasn’t hit really at all at the big league level and I’m not sure Morales would be a better DH than Ibanez….he can’t hit lefties at all either
    ——————–

    Morales is absolutely better than Ibanez. After missing a season and a half Morales out-performed Ibanez in every way last year and one would think that Morales will get better whereas Ibanez is 41.

    Conger has had just over 200 at bats in his career. Two years ago when he got the bulk of his at bats he did show some pop in the bat, one would tend to think there’s plenty of upside there.

  124. G. Love December 19th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    They’re not signing AJP for C. It’s not happening unless his market plummets to a 1 year 5 million deal.

    That said, the Angels & Yankees match up for needs. We have a SP to spare and they have Trumbo or Morales. I don’t see Wells being a factor as you wouldn’t trade any SP we have for him even with the money covered by the Angels.

    I just don’t know if the Angels & Yanks would make a deal, but Trumbo for Hughes, Nova or Phelps makes some sense.

    I think Hughes for Morales is an overpay by us in all honesty. Morales feels like he’s just hanging on there in Anaheim and they’d give up him up for anything decent. Giving them a rotation piece for him feels like it’s too much unless we’re talking Adam Warren.

  125. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Morales probably won’t be a QO guy….especially with the budget….too much risk he’d say yes and that’s 13 million for a DH
    —————

    Why would Morales say yes? He’ll hit the market as a power hitting 1b/DH at 30 and would be in line for at least a 2 or 3 year offer in the neighborhood of what Napoli got.

  126. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Morales is better than Ibanez but when you factor in losing Hugjes to make that change Im not sure it’s a net gain

  127. Cashmoney December 19th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    I think Conger will be an upgrade in what we have which is not saying much. I also think he has considerable upside.

  128. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Even if Trumbo cannot play them that well, he can still play 2 positions the Yankees potentially need to cover in RF/3B
    —————-

    If by “play” you mean he can stand out there with a glove in his hand and pray the ball isn’t hit to him yeah you’re right.

  129. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “Why would Morales say yes? He’ll hit the market as a power hitting 1b/DH at 30 and would be in line for at least a 2 or 3 year offer in the neighborhood of what Napoli got.”

    The Yanks won’t be able to gamble as much next year cause they’ll be facing the 189 limit….morales has significant injury history and he’s not an elite bat anymore ….he is a platoon bat with a sub .800 OPS

  130. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Even if Trumbo cannot play them that well, he can still play 2 positions the Yankees potentially need to cover in RF/3B

    ————–

    Yeah.. if you can get Trumbo for Hughes please someone for the love of god do it… this team could use one player with upside. Just one! Is that so much to ask?!

  131. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    I’d rather have Kubel than morales

  132. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Morales is better than Ibanez but when you factor in losing Hugjes to make that change Im not sure it’s a net gain
    ———————-

    Which is why it’s not a 1 for 1 deal. I’m getting back a catching prospect as well. Additionally, the Yankees have internal options to fill out the back of the rotation – they don’t have options for adding productive bats to their lineup.

  133. Shame Spencer December 19th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    If by “play” you mean he can stand out there with a glove in his hand and pray the ball isn’t hit to him yeah you’re right.

    ————–

    Is this different than Youk at 3B or Ibanez in LF?

    We’re only a defensive minded club when we’re rationalizing not signing players… so I guess this makes sense.

  134. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    If by “play” you mean he can stand out there with a glove in his hand and pray the ball isn’t hit to him yeah you’re right.

    He is better defensively than that.

  135. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    I just like watching Trumbo hit balls far…..I’m gonna need something to keep me awake next year

  136. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    “Why would Morales say yes? He’ll hit the market as a power hitting 1b/DH at 30 and would be in line for at least a 2 or 3 year offer in the neighborhood of what Napoli got.”

    The Yanks won’t be able to gamble as much next year cause they’ll be facing the 189 limit….morales has significant injury history and he’s not an elite bat anymore ….he is a platoon bat with a sub .800 OPS
    —————–

    Morales is the same gamble Hughes is.

  137. austinmac December 19th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Chip,

    Dealing for Morales would work a lot better if he hit lefthanders better. I would prefer him to Ibanez, but not at the cost of Hughes. Conger’s stats could be league affected in the PCL. I do agree he has far more pedigree than the current stock of catchers.

    Morales can hit left handed. Without a doubt. Baseball Reference lists him as a 1B and RF. Has he really played right?

  138. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    I just like watching Trumbo hit balls far…..I’m gonna need something to keep me awake next year
    ————–

    I liked watching Wily Mo Pena hit – doesn’t mean I think he’s a good player either.

  139. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    “Which is why it’s not a 1 for 1 deal. I’m getting back a catching prospect as well. Additionally, the Yankees have internal options to fill out the back of the rotation – they don’t have options for adding productive bats to their lineup.”

    They don’t have anybody who is nearly as good a bet to throw 180+ quality innings as Hughes is IMO….but Im higher on Hughes than some are

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    “Morales is the same gamble Hughes is.”

    How so?

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    yeah blake, me too, there is something about absolute power, the finality of it. Aesthetically and emotionally it’s appeasing.

  142. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

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    Chip,

    Dealing for Morales would work a lot better if he hit lefthanders better. I would prefer him to Ibanez, but not at the cost of Hughes. Conger’s stats could be league affected in the PCL. I do agree he has far more pedigree than the current stock of catchers.

    Morales can hit left handed. Without a doubt. Baseball Reference lists him as a 1B and RF. Has he really played right?
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    He played a few games in the OF in 2008. Nothing since and I would imagine that the injury to his leg ended his career in the outfield.

  144. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Cashmoney says:
    December 19, 2012 at 2:30 pm
    yeah blake, me too, there is something about absolute power, the finality of it. Aesthetically and emotionally it’s appeasing.

    Yes ….this is why I would trade all the prospects for Giancarlo!

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    btw, my source in San Quentin tells me Adams best comp is Jeff kent, they will keep you awake in 13 blake.

  146. Chip December 19th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    “Morales is the same gamble Hughes is.”

    How so?
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    If Hughes has an uneven season (as he’s prone to do) he could accept the QO at $13m look to re-establish his value and hit free agency at 29.

  147. mick December 19th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    “Negative” is a dysphemism for analytical. Truly. Call it constructively analytical if it makes you feel better. ;)
    ================
    why the need to constantly batter though?

  148. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    “If Hughes has an uneven season (as he’s prone to do) he could accept the QO at $13m look to re-establish his value and hit free agency at 29.”

    And he’s more valuable than a platoon DH

  149. blake December 19th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Cashmoney says:
    December 19, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    btw, my source in San Quentin tells me Adams best comp is Jeff kent, they will keep you awake in 13 blake.

    Jeff kent? Do we have a Barry Bonds for him to fight with?

  150. Jerkface December 19th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    They aren’t even close to the same risk because Hughes only has to throw a similar season to last year for him to be nearly 100% certain to turn down a QO. Morales, if he hits like he did last year, is not a 13 million guy.

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    gotta run, later all.

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    I don’t think the Angels would do Trumbo for Hughes though….

  153. UnKnown December 19th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    Dempster being introduced at Fenway.

    Having him throw cookies all year in the East is going to be fun to watch.

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    Mick, I’d love a batter, esp. a RH one with good plate discipline.

    Blake, keep your MiLB channel tuned to the Trenton games at the same time; that’ll keep you awakes: Austin going yard again. :)

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    YF
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