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Friday night notes and links

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 21, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few notes and links as we head into the weekend before Christmas. At this point, things seem pretty quiet with the Yankees and might stay that way until after the holiday.

• Earlier this week, a group of fans gathered at City Hall to protest the Yankees upcoming ticket resale agreement with Ticketmaster. There’s another protest planned for tomorrow. The events have been organized by a group called the Fan Freedom Project, but the Daily News reports that some funding for the protests has come from StubHub, the online ticket seller that’s losing business because of the Yankees deal with Ticketmaster.

• Add another team in the mix for right-handed outfielder Scott Hairston. The Braves are now reportedly in pursuit. It’s looking less and less likely that Hairston will be forced to settle for a one-year deal.

• Former Yankees corner man Brandon Laird — who got a little bit of big league time in 2011 — was claimed off waivers by the Astros late last season and has now cleared waivers and been outrighted to Houston’s Triple-A roster.

• A man who tried to sell a fake Babe Ruth glove was given two years probation and a $25,000 fine.

• Down in D.C., Adam Kilgore reports that the Nationals want to settle on a decision — one way or the other — with free agent first baseman Adam LaRoche. If LaRoche won’t re-sign, the Nationals seem likely to move Michael Morse to first base. If LaRoche does re-sign, the Nationals will almost certainly look to trade Morse. That right-handed power bat, and ability to play the corners, could certainly appeal to the Yankees. Of course, getting Morse would cost something significant, and might require someone already on the big league roster considering the Nationals are clearly ready to contend.

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  1. jmills December 21st, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    I’ve never been to Yankee Stadium,…am I missing something? :)

  2. The Return of Stoneburner December 21st, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    He could have been called up when Jeter went down with his injury.

    Much like what happened with Noesi, they brought up a player who was too good for the role he was used in and it burned them developmentally.

    ******

    What?? When did Jeter go down with his injury in 2012 for which Nunez could have been called up?? Surely not the postseason you are talking about. Jeter played 159 games in 2012.

    Phelps did just fine under the Noesi model – - – -some make it – some don’t – - – -

  3. Barry December 21st, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    One more group of moronic protestors clogging up the streets without point.

  4. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    What?? When did Jeter go down with his injury in 2012 for which Nunez could have been called up?? Surely not the postseason you are talking about. Jeter played 159 games in 2012.

    2011, where they took Nunez north to sit on the bench for the beginning of the season instead of playing every day in AAA to work on his defense. They took an already shady defensive player and put him in a volatile situation with infrequent play time.

  5. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    funny you should bring up teixeira. he played all his minor league games at 3b till he was promoted to the bigs and played 1b/3b/lf/rf and dh his first year in the majors.

    stupid rangers messed up his trade value didnt they?

  6. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Phelps also pitched twice as much as Noesi & started 5x as much. But that is not about performance, but about the ability of the player to be depended upon the following season. Phelps pitched 120 innings this year. Noesi ended up with around 100 innings in 2011 and Cashman said they were not going to be able to rely on Noesi in the rotation the next year due to lack of innings. Probably one of the reasons he got traded for an A baller.

    If you want to be able to have these young guys going forward, you need to make sure you’re preparing them to be used.

    Dicking around with Phelps for 2 innings stints when he has shown the ability to maybe be a good starter and who needs innings, its dumb. Just like taking a guy who can potentially be a starting SS in the major leagues and who needs to work on his defense & get PAs and you use him as a backup IFer on a team that rarely uses one is stupid.

  7. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    funny you should bring up teixeira. he played all his minor league games at 3b till he was promoted to the bigs and played 1b/3b/lf/rf and dh his first year in the majors.

    He played 100 games at first, and was / is an exceptional fielder. He also never moved around every again. And moving to first is not difficult.

  8. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    “jmills December 21st, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    I’ve never been to Yankee Stadium…”
    ==================================
    … and unfortunately, you never will. they put up some new soul-less revenue-generating facility in it’s place but it’s not anything near the same thing…

  9. luis December 21st, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Good evening,

    Noesi did very well on his long man role. The problem arouse in the OS when he didn’t built enough innings to be considered for the rotation. For that role you use a player with little to no future, not a prospect with value.

    In Phelps case, they made the same mistake. They gave a way too long leash to Garcia in detriment of Phelps, who is the one who has a future. I am not sure how many innings he pitched, I think somewhere around 130 innings between the minors and the big league club. This is the second year in a row that he doesn’t get 160 innings. We are risking a dead arm issue in the future.

  10. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    the yankees gave him an opportunity and he failed at it, that’s it. make all the excuses you want. manny machado played 2 games at 3b before the orioles promoted him and put him at third. he did fine.

    when the opportunity comes, you have to be ready and do the job. nunez didnt. that’s it.

    You keep throwing out these false equivalencies. Machado is a better fielder than Nunez and he played EVERY DAY! When you are able to work every day at something, you can be good at it.

  11. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    no, you just keep making excuses every time i point out someone who was given an opportunity which wasn’t exactly what he did in the minors, but succeded anyway.

  12. luis December 21st, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Oh… And a potential SS with the stick and tools of Nunez don’t grow on trees… Granted he won’t be close to what Jeter was, but if you take in to account the rest of the league, you realize that we are better of with him than many of the regular SS that are currently playing as regulars

  13. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    no, you just keep making excuses every time i point out someone who was given an opportunity which wasn’t exactly what he did in the minors, but succeded anyway.

    They’re not the same opportunities. How do you not see that? You keep listing guys who got to play every day.

  14. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    he didnt play well enough to play every day. when the opportunity comes, you have to do well enough to get more opportunity. when you screw it up, playing time diminishes instead of increasing. when you succeed, they find a way to play you every day.

  15. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    he didnt play well enough to play every day. when the opportunity comes, you have to do well enough to get more opportunity. when you screw it up, playing time diminishes instead of increasing. when you succeed, they find a way to play you every day.

    His play time started out diminished.

  16. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    The Yankees let Soriano play 158 below average games at 2B in his first year. Mark Teixeira got to play every day. Machado got to play every day.

  17. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Nunez was blocked at both positions the Yankees could reasonably expect him to play at, and instead of doing the smart thing and selling high on him they decided to turn him into the least valuable type of player in the major leagues behind long reliever & backup catcher.

  18. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    if machado was throwing the ball all over the park he wouldnt have played every day.

  19. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    He did make 5 errors, but they were replacing Mark Reynolds who was awful at third, so the bar was not high. Just making errors should not mean losing play time, and that didn’t really happen with Nunez, it did in 2012 where he got sent down by in 2011 he got no play time to start.

    Jeter did make 40 errors in his first 2 seasons, but he also played full time.

  20. theREALkevin December 21st, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Luis makes a good point about other shortstops, the position is down around the league… I’m sure Cashman has fielded lots of calls about Nunez… He has the tools to stick at SS if he can improve his defense a little…

  21. jacksquat December 21st, 2012 at 10:32 pm

    I would DH Jeter vs every lhp and play Nunez at SS. This takes care of the rh dh opening and gives Nunez some reps, it also can help keep Jeter healthy.

    Jeter had a .963 OPS as a DH in 2012 (114 pa). :shock:

  22. jacksquat December 22nd, 2012 at 12:22 am

    The Athletics asked to remain in the Oakland Coliseum for five more years in a proposed agreement that would delay the target for their move to San Jose until 2018, writes Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. The A’s lease is currently set to expire after this season. The club has waited almost four years for Commissioner Bud Selig to approve or reject the proposed move to San Jose.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#EAfoSTjap2xKoyVE.99

    Bud is such a dick. The A’s need to move out of that dump to San Jose. He’s probably dragging his feet because the move would have meant the Yankees get more revenue sharing rebates if they are under the cap.

  23. Nilsson December 22nd, 2012 at 12:32 am

    I still recall GB7 always saying it was all in Nunez’s feet. As if he needed dancing lessons.

    With all due respect, I think it’s more than that. He botches the basic and routine plays when he has lots of time to think about it. The baseball equivalent of walking and chewing gum at the same time. I actually think a lot of it is between his head. A worst case scenario of mental block killed Chuck Knoblauch’s career. Occasionally, it happens to ballplayers in varying degrees.

    I’m not sure how much more rope they’ll give him though. The bottom line, it’s the big leagues. Make the plays or they’ll find someone else who can.

  24. Deal With It December 22nd, 2012 at 5:38 am

    jacksquat December 22nd, 2012 at 12:22 am

    The SF Giants have the territorial rights to the San Jose market (Santa Clara County) in a prior long standing agreement. In addition they have their AAA team in nearby Fresno and one of their A Teams is right in San Jose.

    The Giants want to be financially compensated for the A’s obtaining the rights to move to San Jose. That hasn’t happened and a new stadium deal the A’s had in place with Cisco Systems and the city of Fremont in the East Bay (10 miles south of Oakland) fell through.

  25. RadioKev December 22nd, 2012 at 7:11 am

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    ————-

    Oh Rich Harden…

  26. RadioKev December 22nd, 2012 at 7:17 am

    The Blue Jays were listed as 15-to-2, odds-on favourite to win the World Series.

    “That makes me cringe a little bit,” Anthopoulos said, in typical low-key fashion. “We haven’t done anything yet. I’d just as soon fly below the radar, and I know that can’t happen when you acquire some name players and add to payroll and so forth.”

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  27. jacksquat December 22nd, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Deal, I used to live in the area, and it doesn’t make any sense to me that San Jose is considered SF’s territory.

  28. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2012 at 7:44 am

    Toronto is flying under the radar like Santa on Christmas Eve. :D:

  29. The Return of Stoneburner December 22nd, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Phelps development has not been hurt at all under the Noesi model of pitching out of the bullpen and spot start. Heck – even Ivan Nova was jerked around for a while. A lot of pitchers have started out between bullpen and starting rotation when they first come up. Johan Santana comes to mind.

    The Nunez development does not make much since given he had a full season in AAA in 2010 playing almost everyday. Nunez was potentially discussed in the Cliff Lee deal, but the Mariners kept changing the terms. And why would the Yanks at that time want to sell high on a young SS, you cannot get on them, especially with Jeter potentially showing a decline. Your argument is more about hindsight – which anyone can do.

    No, give the Phelps credit for this past season. Noesi also has/had his opportunity with the Mariners and good for the Yanks – they sold high on him. Nunez is still a nice hitter, he is playing SS in winterball and could be an interesting backup. The situation is more on him than the Yankees – especially when you consider his time in AAA as well as the time he missed in AAA this past season due to injury.

  30. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 7:57 am

    Thank you Alex,…. for doing something. I don’t care if Dickey’s arm falls off, it is worth it!

  31. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2012 at 7:59 am

    The situation is more on him than the Yankees –

    —————————————————-

    Sports are filled with players that took advantage of an opportunity and became everyday players.

    Many players come to the minors in one position but come to the majors in another spot.

    Often the player with the desire to succeed outways talent.

    What is between the ears plays a big role in someone succeeding.

  32. The Return of Stoneburner December 22nd, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Soriano got to play 40 games at 2B in the minors before touching it in the majors and got to play a fullseason after his debut. Vastly different. They did not get anywhere near the same opportunity.

    ******

    Nunez played SS throughout his minor career and got to play a full season in 2010 in the minors. He played more at his SS position in the minors than Soriano had a chance. Oh and Soriano did touch a little 2b in the majors in 2000 for Knoblauch – Yanks then decided to go the Vizcaino and Sojo route and sent Soriano back to the minors to work on matters. Soriano, if anything, was rushed into the 2b position in 2000 development wise while being jerked around filling in for Brosius one stint. Nunez had far more development time in the minors than Soriano. When Jeter was hurt in 2011, Nunez had already had a full development season in AAA under his belt. Again, the lack of any progress for Nunez is not on the Yanks, more so on the kid at this point – you can lead someone to water, whether they drink it or not, idk – - – -

    More about Soriano’s rise to NY:

    Heading into the 2000 season, Alfonso hoped to win the job as New York’s utility infielder. To sharpen his skills, he played for Estrellas in the Dominican Winter League and practiced at a number of different positions. Alfonso had quick hands, good range, and a strong throwing arm, but his mind tended to wander, particularly on routine chances. The Yankees were well aware of this, and determined that playing every day was the best way for him to mature. When the season started, Alfonso got a ticket back to Columbus. Clay Bellinger and Wilson Delgado—more consistent but far less spectacular—took Alfonso’s spot with the big club.

    In the Yankees’ opening game, against Anaheim, third baseman Scott Brosius went down with a bruised rib cage. Bellinger replaced him, but didn’t produce. Alfonso was called up and manager Joe Torre penciled his name into the starting lineup against Seattle. The experiment was a disaster. Though he held his own at the plate, Alfonso was horrid in the field, mishandling several easy grounders. The instant Brosius was activated, Alfonso was back in a Columbus uniform.

    A couple of weeks later, Jeter landed on the DL with a strained abdominal muscle and Alfonso was recalled. Again he faltered. In his first four games he batted .188 and booted two grounders. Bellinger and Delgado took over at shortstop until Jeter regained his health.

    After another stint with the Clippers, Alfonso was summoned to New York when second baseman Chuck Knoblauch, a former Gold Glover, mysteriously lost the ability to throw consistently to first base. The season wasn’t half over and he had already thrown 10 balls away. A good leadoff hitter and base stealer, Knoblauch was too valuable to bench, so Torre moved him into the DH slot. Alfonso was inserted at second base.

    Second base is a deceptively difficult position to learn, even for a confident, athletic player like Alfonso. The footwork and throws are unlike any other, and turning a double play with your back to the runner is not something you want to learn at the major-league level. Alfonso was irritated at the way he was being moved around, but remembered that his goal a few months earlier had been to become the club’s utility man. He also knew that, with Derek Jeter likely to be the Yankee shortstop for a while, he’d have to adjust to another position. Alfonso kept his mouth shut and played.

    Slowly, Alfonso began to get comfortable at second. At first he relied on his strong arm to compensate for poor technique, but the Yankees would have none of that. The coaching staff wanted to make him into a real second baseman, and drilled him until he started doing things right. Though the New York brass eventually determined that the team was better off with veterans Luis Sojo and Jose Vizcaino spltting time at second in 2000, Alfonso showed he just might be the best option there down the road.

    Meanwhile, Alfonso’s hitting improved steadily. A free swinger, he had enough plate sense to understand how opposing pitchers were trying to get him out, and made some intelligent adjustments. The Yankees were thrilled with this development, and marveled at the way the ball rocketed off his bat.

    Alfonso’s quick stroke and long arms enabled him to get a piece of the pitches he chased out of the strike zone. He also made solid contact with pitches on the fringe of the strike zone, taking away an important weapon for enemy hurlers. In 22 games with the Yankees and 111 with the Clippers he recorded 55 extra-base hits.

    http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/So.....o_bio.html

  33. The Return of Stoneburner December 22nd, 2012 at 8:04 am

    MaineYankee December 22nd, 2012 at 7:59 am
    The situation is more on him than the Yankees –

    —————————————————-

    Sports are filled with players that took advantage of an opportunity and became everyday players.

    Many players come to the minors in one position but come to the majors in another spot.

    Often the player with the desire to succeed outways talent.

    What is between the ears plays a big role in someone succeeding.

    ******

    Completely agree.

  34. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 8:06 am

    ” jacksquat December 22nd, 2012 at 12:22 am

    The Athletics asked to remain in the Oakland Coliseum for five more years in a proposed agreement that would delay the target for their move to San Jose until 2018, writes Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. The A’s lease is currently set to expire after this season. The club has waited almost four years for Commissioner Bud Selig to approve or reject the proposed move to San Jose.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#EAfoSTjap2xKoyVE.99

    Bud is such a dick. The A’s need to move out of that dump to San Jose. He’s probably dragging his feet because the move would have meant the Yankees get more revenue sharing rebates if they are under the cap.”
    ———————————————-
    this is not true. if theres one thing bud is good at, it’s building a coalition to get things done. the giants are the dicks here, they will not concede the territory and it will go to court if bud pushes this. bud will get this done before he goes but he will get the giants to agree. he just wont move till its all worked out.
    im not a big bud fan but this is right up his alley. nobody’s trying to screw the a’s or the yankees except the giants.

  35. MTU December 22nd, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Prospect profile on Phelps taken from RAB :

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....lps-40308/

    Phelps is a not only talented but very bright.

    He has received Academic honors at both the HS and College level.

    ;)

  36. MTU December 22nd, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Who gives a crap about the A’s anyway.

    ;)

  37. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Damaso Garcia was a fun 2nd B-man. The guy could slash the bat and even set his shirt on fire one time after being pulled! ( Winfield hitting a seagul only slightly takes precedence) Garcia and Griffen made a nice pair with Fernandez always waiting to take over.

  38. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:16 am

    MTU,……I have a Dick Green baseball card, an action varient at that!

  39. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Phelps is a not only talented but very bright

    ————————————————————

    For some of us here the bulb has clearly dimmed.

  40. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Y’s Guy

    Baltimore also held MLB hostage in their market.

    They didn’t let Washinton have a team without getting some revenue in return.

  41. MTU December 22nd, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Morning Maine/Mills.

    Happy Holidays and Seasons Grettings.

    :)

  42. MTU December 22nd, 2012 at 8:21 am

    sp: greetings. Duh.

  43. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:22 am

    I wished Baltimore managed to keep les ‘spos at home.

  44. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:23 am

    ” Wish ” – crap!

    Hi MTU,….xmas is almost over ! :)

  45. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2012 at 8:28 am

    MTU December 22nd, 2012 at 8:21 am
    sp: greetings. Duh.

    ———————————-

    Good mornig and Merry Christmas to you.

    See, I told you the bulb was dimming for some of us. :lol:

  46. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:32 am

    ” The bulb is dimming ” – might as well wear it like a badge as riters don’t spell so good.

  47. RadioKev December 22nd, 2012 at 8:35 am

    Phelps has a good baseball IQ for a younger player, too.

    I love those RAB prospect profiles.

  48. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2012 at 8:39 am

    jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:32 am
    ” The bulb is dimming ” – might as well wear it like a badge as riters don’t spell so good.

    ——————————————————–

    Kinda like our neighbors to the north having trouble spelling. :lol:

  49. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Way back in, I think, ’78, the Jays. Had a teenaged catcher – Brian Milner, who was Johnny Bench incarnate with a bit of Munson rolled in, he even got a few rampant hits in a brief showcasing. I have no idea what happened.

  50. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Maine, yeah, I like to set a healthy example up here.

  51. jmv December 22nd, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Good Morning! Good to see some old friends around

    From Wikipedia:

    “Milner was drafted in the 7th round of the 1978 amateur draft by the Toronto Blue Jays and called up almost immediately, the only catcher only to be brought directly to the major leagues after being signed since the draft began in 1965 (citation needed). Making his debut at the age of eighteen years and seven months, he remains the youngest person to play for the team.[citation needed] Milner played in two games in June 1978, getting four hits, including a triple, in nine at bats, scoring three runs, and picking up two RBIs.
    Milner was sent down to the rookie league Medicine Hat Blue Jays shortly thereafter, where he hit .337. He played four more seasons in the minor leagues, but suffered a series of injuries and never played in the major leagues again. He later served as a hitting coach in the New York Yankees organization from 1991–95, and as a scout for the Chicago Cubs from 1996-2007.”

    See, jmills? Yankees and Jays do share history, LOL

  52. MaineYankee December 22nd, 2012 at 9:16 am

    jvm

    MTU doesn’t like being called old. :D:

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