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LoHud Yankees Blog looking for pinch hitters

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 21, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

We do this every year around here, and once again we’re looking for guest posts for our annual Pinch Hitters series.

To bring some outside opinions and new points of view during those slow weeks in late January and early February, we’re looking for anyone who would like to write a post — 400 words or so — about anything related to the Yankees. It could be an attempt to explain and defend the team’s offseason strategy, or an attempt to prove that the team’s offseason strategy quite simply won’t work. It could be a short essay about your favorite player, a blueprint for a trade you’d like to see, or a look back at past moves gone wrong or right.

Whatever you have to say, email your ideas to me — a few sentences explaining what you want to write — and I’ll make some choices to start organizing a schedule. In early January, I’ll begin contacting the folks chosen for the series. Please, no more than one proposal per person. It’s not necessarily first come, first serve, so take your time coming up with what you want to write.

The absolute cutoff for submissions will be Sunday, January 6. Send your ideas to: cjennings (at) lohud.com. Thanks everyone. I’m looking forward to it.

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173 Responses to “LoHud Yankees Blog looking for pinch hitters”

  1. jmills December 21st, 2012 at 9:02 am

    O.k., I’m kinda’ slow and don’t rite that good – somebody else guest post

  2. blake December 21st, 2012 at 9:06 am

    “Please do not insult Posada by comparing him to Santana. Posada was not a great defensive C, but, his offense numbers were better than Santana’s. And, early in his career, Posada’s CS averaged around 32%.”

    Combined ages 25 and 26 seasons

    Jorge Posada: .262 .353 .452 .805 OPS+ 110

    Carlos Santana: .246 .358 .439 .797 OPS+ 124

    I’m not saying Santana is Posada…..just that they are similar players.

  3. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 9:09 am

    For all you LoHudders.

    Merry Xmas from Utah. Seasons Greetings.

    Here’s my Xmas present for you. Courtesy of He who allowed me to capture and share them.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/KolobCanyonsInWinter?authkey=Gv1sRgCLGspa_ewc3oFA#

    Peace be with ye.

    :)

  4. 86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Morning folks…. hope all is well

    Don’t know what if anything the Yanks will do about catcher, but right now it might be the weakest position on any team in MLB.

    Virtually anyone would be an upgrade

  5. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Our souls are the only part of us that aren’t on loan.

    ;)

  6. jmills December 21st, 2012 at 9:13 am

    MTU – I’m jealous, at least no white stuff up here save for people who think it looks good to have teeth bleached like headlights,….geesh

  7. Russell Munson December 21st, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Don’t know what if anything the Yanks will do about catcher, but right now it might be the weakest position on any team in MLB.

    ***********************************

    I’m assuming you’re excluding the Astros from MLB?

    Cervelli/Stewart/Romine isn’t very good, but there are a lot worse positions on other teams in baseball.

  8. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Mills-

    Glow-in-the-dark teeth are the new rage.

    :)

  9. jmills December 21st, 2012 at 9:17 am

    MTU,…all things shall pass – have a good one people, working man I have to be.

  10. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 9:17 am

    I’m glad the Mayans have granted us another Calendar cycle.

    :)

  11. 86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Romine gives hope, but otherwise I’m not too excited.

    A LH hitting veteran who could help mentor Romine is exactly what the Yanks needed. Is there anyone out there now that AJP is off the market?

  12. tomingeorgia December 21st, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Mr. MTU,
    Beautiful shots, as always. Thanks for them.
    As for our souls not being on loan to us, how come so many people seem to have sold them?

  13. 86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Where are all the Mayans anyway?

  14. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 9:21 am

    When the Mayans played sports they played for keeps.

    The winner was usually decapitated.

    Better to be the loser in their World.

    Their game was a cross between basketball and soccer.

  15. blake December 21st, 2012 at 9:22 am

    James White ?@DrOakley1689
    This was my favorite cartoon on the Mayan thing from a few years ago: http://bit.ly/UJps8q

  16. YankeeNiner December 21st, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Chad:
    I am interested in submitting a Guest Blog. Can you post your e-mail for me.
    Lost in Belmont, NC,
    Mark

    PS – If you send me your Twitter photo, I’ll PhotoShop out the wine glass and slot in a Sam Adams Winter brew.

  17. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Mister Tom-

    The pleasure is all mine.

    No idea bout that. But it’s a good idea to keep ‘em polished as they will be with us for a long time.

    ;)

  18. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Blake-

    :)

    I like.

  19. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Morning all – I’m still working on getting the YFRP open for business. Don’t worry, you’ll have a place to recuperate.

    I want Santana and I’d give up Sanchez to get him.. what would hurt more is having to give up the young OFers though.

  20. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 9:32 am

    And to celebrate Xmas/Hanukah, etc. I recently visited this Cathedral and attended a sermon.

    I was indeed moved by the preacher.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/WahweapHooDooS#

    :)

  21. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Time to get ready to drink from that same fountain again.

    :)

  22. blake December 21st, 2012 at 9:50 am

    MTU,

    I don’t think you’re link works…..

  23. blake December 21st, 2012 at 9:52 am

    Maybe the Mayans were predicting that Stewie, Romine, and Cervelli would be revealed to be the NYY catchers on Dec 21 2012

  24. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Sorry Blake-

    Try this one :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/WahweapHooDooS?authkey=Gv1sRgCJTyrJS-yuKMzgE#

  25. MaineYankee December 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Chad

    To bring some outside opinions and new points of view during those slow weeks in late January and early February, we’re looking for anyone who would like to write a post

    —————————————————————————

    That should rule out the regulars here.

    They have exceeded the 400 word limit already. :D:

  26. bruceb December 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Why did we re-sign Ichiro on a $13mill two-year deal yet pass on AJP for one year, $7.5 mill when our more immediate need is a catcher who can hit?

    I just don’t understand what Cashman is trying to achieve this winter, apart from the obvious – namely bringing back the same old faces, with the emphasis on “old.”

    Don’t get me wrong, I like what Ichiro brought at the end of last season, but I would rather have seen the money spent elsewhere. There’s every chance he will revert to his first-half numbers with the Mariners.

  27. blake December 21st, 2012 at 9:58 am

    cool pics man

  28. MTU December 21st, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Blake-

    Guess you liked the Sermon too.

    ;)

  29. 4 NYY December 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I really think if Romine can hit .250 or better in ST, he can do the job. He’s a good receiver and can throw.

  30. luis December 21st, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Good morning guys,

    Just a quick pass in case I am not able to do so later on.

    First, I want to wish all a Merry Christmas and even better happy new year. Also a happy holidays to all.

    I just read the posts titles from Chad, and I think if AJP could be had for one year, that was exactly what they should have gotten.

    86… Good posts.

    Anyway, good day all

  31. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am

    ” It could be an attempt to explain and defend the team’s offseason strategy, or an attempt to prove that the team’s offseason strategy quite simply won’t work. ”

    Ugh. Boring. It’s been done to death. Unless somebody has something new or novel to offer, there’s no point in beating those dead horses.

    It might be interesting to go into previous postseason (and even trade deadline) analyses of the so-called “winners and losers” of those postseasons, and evaluate the accuracy of those assessments. Nobody ever assesses those assessments. How many of those putative winners experienced the winner’s curse of having deal with the consequences of what was bought? How many of the teams that were declared losers owing to inactivity or some perceived deficiency actually emerged the winner?

  32. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 10:28 am

    MTU,

    Stunning photos as always. Thanks for sharing them.

  33. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am

    4 NYY December 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am

    I really think if Romine can hit .250 or better in ST, he can do the job. He’s a good receiver and can throw.
    ===============

    I’m cautiously optimistic about Romine as well. If he can hit to the Menoza line, then he already just about matches Martin. Yes, we’ll be losing Martin’s 20 homers, but this team has enough power to spare those 20. The question is whether we can spare Swisher’s homers…

  34. Yanksfanmc76 December 21st, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Martin hit under .200 for the first half of the season, I’m all for giving Romine a chance…if he hits .200 with his defense we are no worse off than last year and we are growing one of our own.

  35. ac1 December 21st, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Bowden thinks Toronto could sign Soriano?
    Their payroll is getting up there isn’t it?

    They see weakness in the Yanks and Sox and are taking advantage.

    No doubt they will have a Marlins style sell off next offseason when they don’t win.

  36. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am

    bruceb December 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Why did we re-sign Ichiro on a $13mill two-year deal yet pass on AJP for one year, $7.5 mill when our more immediate need is a catcher who can hit?
    =============

    What does one decision have to do with the other?

    It seems ot me that Ichiro can pay his own freight, because he is an attraction. He puts asses in seats, and he can sell a lot of jerseys. And the man can still play: He still has a terrific arm, and great speed and defensive ability, as well as knowing how to handle a bat.
    He’s probably worth every nickel. The only downside is the outfield is a little too-lefthanded.

  37. 86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 10:36 am

    I can’t believe Pierzinski was signed for one year, $ 7.5.

    I would have offered $ 10 M without hesitation

  38. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Yanksfanmc76 December 21st, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Martin hit under .200 for the first half of the season, I’m all for giving Romine a chance…if he hits .200 with his defense we are no worse off than last year and we are growing one of our own.
    =================

    It’s lot easier to swallow a .200 BA coming from a kid with significant upside, than from a veteran making several million dollars a year.

  39. Yanksfanmc76 December 21st, 2012 at 10:38 am

    I have a funny story about Martin, my girlfriend and her friends were hanging with Martin and a few other Yankees at a bar over the summer…long story short shes a really religious Christian…he invited her to his place under one condition…I think you know where i’m going with this!

  40. ac1 December 21st, 2012 at 10:38 am

    People are so down on Ichiro because of his last 1.5 years in Seattle. NEWSFLASH! His numbers with the Yankees were Ichiro style numbers of old. He was so bored in Seattle losing all the time, he needed something fresh. I think we are more likely to get the old Ichiro for 2 years than the one that declined in Seattle.

    This is like the Jeter argument all over again. The guy has one bad year and suddenly he is trash. Then he comes back and hits .315 or whatever Jeter hit.

    We will get that from Ichiro too…

  41. Yanksfanmc76 December 21st, 2012 at 10:42 am

    People are so down on Ichiro because of his last 1.5 years in Seattle. NEWSFLASH! His numbers with the Yankees were Ichiro style numbers of old. He was so bored in Seattle losing all the time, he needed something fresh. I think we are more likely to get the old Ichiro for 2 years than the one that declined in Seattle.

    This is like the Jeter argument all over again. The guy has one bad year and suddenly he is trash. Then he comes back and hits .315 or whatever Jeter hit.

    We will get that from Ichiro too…

    ——————————————————————————————————————-
    Agreed 100%…Ichiro is on a mission to get his 3,000 hit. Dont be surprised if he comes back with a vengance this year….330 with 200 plus hits

  42. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 10:43 am

    I’d rather trade for Miguel Montero than sign AJP.

  43. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Yanksfanmc76 December 21st, 2012 at 10:42 am

    People are so down on Ichiro because of his last 1.5 years in Seattle. NEWSFLASH! His numbers with the Yankees were Ichiro style numbers of old. He was so bored in Seattle losing all the time, he needed something fresh. I think we are more likely to get the old Ichiro for 2 years than the one that declined in Seattle.

    This is like the Jeter argument all over again. The guy has one bad year and suddenly he is trash. Then he comes back and hits .315 or whatever Jeter hit.

    We will get that from Ichiro too…

    ——————————————————————————————————————-
    Agreed 100%…Ichiro is on a mission to get his 3,000 hit. Dont be surprised if he comes back with a vengance this year….330 with 200 plus hits
    ========================================

    Ditto. Although I think that .300 is probably a better guess of where he winds up next year…

  44. The Return of Stoneburner December 21st, 2012 at 10:45 am

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....documents/

  45. ac1 December 21st, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Ditto. Although I think that .300 is probably a better guess of where he winds up next year…

    ___

    I’d even say .280-.290, 10-15 homeruns and 50-60 rbis coming from the 2 spot (unless girardi inexplicably makes him bat 9th again.

  46. DONNYBROOK December 21st, 2012 at 10:49 am

    We got guys around here that woulda coughed up the QO OF $13.3 Mill for Martin, and Now we got guys that woulda went with Pierzynski over Ichiro. The folly of the Martin offer is obvious. Pierzynski is a flat-out defensive Train Wreck, and his presence in the Yankee Clubhouse raises the Forest Gump box-a-chocolates issue. Why gamble? If it comes down to Pierzynski or Ichiro, I go with the quiet little soldier that will do Whatever is required, and do it without fanfare or needing to be repeatedly patted on the head. Easy choice to make.

  47. ac1 December 21st, 2012 at 10:50 am

    DB i think the choice was more between Youkilis and AJP. I think AJ would have fit, but i also think Youkilis (if healthy), is a nice addition to the lineup (a righty with power)…..

  48. PacoDooley December 21st, 2012 at 10:52 am

    blake December 21st, 2012 at 9:06 am
    “Please do not insult Posada by comparing him to Santana. Posada was not a great defensive C, but, his offense numbers were better than Santana’s. And, early in his career, Posada’s CS averaged around 32%.”

    Combined ages 25 and 26 seasons

    Jorge Posada: .262 .353 .452 .805 OPS+ 110

    Carlos Santana: .246 .358 .439 .797 OPS+ 124

    I’m not saying Santana is Posada…..just that they are similar players.
    ———————————–

    You can see the signature of the PED era in Posada’s OPS+ Very similar OPS values, but Posada was hurt by being compared to a league in which OPS (and especially SLG) were inflated by PEDs. Really very similar numbers, but the career arc of different players rarely run parallel, so the comparison doesn’t tell us too much.

  49. bruceb December 21st, 2012 at 10:57 am

    What does one decision have to do with the other?

    Everything when you’re trying to get the payroll below $189 million. You have to make sacrifices somewhere when you’re shackled by ARod and Tex’s contracts. Presumably we’re still paying off AJ Burnett in 2013 too.

  50. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 10:59 am

    ac1 December 21st, 2012 at 10:50 am

    DB i think the choice was more between Youkilis and AJP. I think AJ would have fit, but i also think Youkilis (if healthy), is a nice addition to the lineup (a righty with power)…..
    =============

    I think that’s probably correct. I wasn’t opposed to sighing Youkilis, but I still would have preferred moving Jeter to third, and giving Nunez an everyday job in the lineup.

  51. DONNYBROOK December 21st, 2012 at 11:00 am

    - HALL OF FAME BALLOT -

    (1) PIAZZA – YES

    (2) BONDS – NOPE

    (3) CLEMENS – NOPE

  52. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2012 at 11:03 am

    I’d love to write a pinch hitter post about how the death of the old Yankee way actually occurred the moment the wrecking ball first hit the old stadium but my cabin in the Montana forest isn’t quite ready.

  53. Yanksfanmc76 December 21st, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Girardi better not pull batting Ichiro 9th!

    1. Jeter
    2. Ichiro
    3. Cano
    4. Tex
    5. Grandy
    6. Youk
    7. Whoever the hell our dh will be
    8. Romine/Cervelli/Stewart
    9. Gardy

  54. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:06 am

    time is undefeated. ichiro may or may not have been bored but what he was definitely doing was aging. he is in decline although not (yet) a steep decline. i like ichiro and i’m glad he’s on the yankees but to just assume that boredom was his only problem in seattle and that age doesnt factor into it is wishful thinking imo.

  55. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Yanksfanmc76 December 21st, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Girardi better not pull batting Ichiro 9th!
    ===========================
    what if his obp is .288 as it was the first half last year?

  56. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2012 at 11:03 am

    I’d love to write a pinch hitter post about how the death of the old Yankee way actually occurred the moment the wrecking ball first hit the old stadium but my cabin in the Montana forest isn’t quite ready.
    ==========================

    Depending on what you mean by the “old Yankee way,” It might be more interesting to write about how it never existed…at least, not the way that some folks seem to recall it.

  57. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Yanksfanmc76 December 21st, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Girardi better not pull batting Ichiro 9th!
    ===========================
    what if his obp is .288 as it was the first half last year?
    =============

    What makes you think that it will be? How quickly would you give up on him?

  58. DONNYBROOK December 21st, 2012 at 11:11 am

    It started once Hal’s signature was required at the bottom of ALL Yankee paperwork. The Boss has gotta be Very disappointed in what is being done with his legacy.

  59. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 11:12 am

    YS Guy,

    I agree with you on Ichiro. I was glad he signed, but not to expect age to affect him is unrealistic. Yes, he will be in shape, but the body changes for all people, even Ichiro and unfortunately Jeter. Let’s hope for a couple more good years, but it is certainly uncertain.

  60. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:15 am

    DONNYBROOK December 21st, 2012 at 11:11 am

    It started once Hal’s signature was required at the bottom of ALL Yankee paperwork. The Boss has gotta be Very disappointed in what is being done with his legacy.
    ========================

    Humbug. The old man had his good points and bad points, but you’re looking at him through rose-colored glasses. He often did as much harm as good, with his with his so-called “commitment to winning.”

  61. blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “I’d rather trade for Miguel Montero than sign AJP.”

    sure but I doubt that the Dbacks like that plan

  62. DONNYBROOK December 21st, 2012 at 11:17 am

    It’s Not how you start, it’s how you Finish. Lessons learned, blah\blah\blah.

  63. blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:17 am

    “You can see the signature of the PED era in Posada’s OPS+ Very similar OPS values, but Posada was hurt by being compared to a league in which OPS (and especially SLG) were inflated by PEDs. Really very similar numbers, but the career arc of different players rarely run parallel, so the comparison doesn’t tell us too much.”

    it tells us he’s a heck of a lot better than what they currently have…..now whether it would be worthwhile to trade what it’d take to get him…..that I have no idea.

  64. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:18 am

    austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 11:12 am

    YS Guy,

    I agree with you on Ichiro. I was glad he signed, but not to expect age to affect him is unrealistic. Yes, he will be in shape, but the body changes for all people, even Ichiro and unfortunately Jeter. Let’s hope for a couple more good years, but it is certainly uncertain.
    ===============

    I don’t think that anybody was suggesting that Ichiro is immune to the effects of aging. We were simply pointing out that his last 1.5 seasons in Seattle may not be indicative of his capability. A lot of people prematurely wrote off Jeter, and it appears that the same may have been done with Ichiro.

  65. jacksquat December 21st, 2012 at 11:19 am

    bruceb December 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
    Why did we re-sign Ichiro on a $13mill two-year deal yet pass on AJP for one year, $7.5 mill when our more immediate need is a catcher who can hit?

    I like Ichiro, but I would have rather had AJP and a Dickerson/Mustelier platoon in the OF. Cheap outfielders hit better than cheap catchers.

    I think they just plain don’t like AJP.

  66. blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:19 am

    HOF voting

    1. Bonds – yes
    2. clemens- yes
    3. Piazza- yes
    4. Biggio- yes
    5 Bagwell- yes
    6. Raines -yes
    7. Sosa- no
    8- Mac- no
    9. Palmero- no
    10. Morris- yes

  67. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:19 am

    “What makes you think that it will be? How quickly would you give up on him”
    ======================================
    statistics, specifically the past 2 seasons where his obp was about .308.

    ichiro posted a .288 obp over 423 at bats in seattle last year. are you suggesting that a similar performance is not possible? and consider this, brett gardner’s obp for the past 2 seasons combined is right around .350. is joe supposed to just give ichiro the leadoff spot because he’s ichiro even if he’s giving away 70 points in obp?

  68. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 11:21 am

    When George took over the Yankees were just another team. Their attendance was awful. He brought hope and excitement back. He made many mistakes along the way, we all know.

    I think what we would like is the same committment to winning with a cooler approach in decison making. We don’t need to make a trade when a guy goes 0-4 or makes an error.

    We are lacking the excitement additions and young players bring to a team. I predict attendance will decline in the first half this year becasue of that. We shall see.

  69. jacksquat December 21st, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Geez, Liriano just got 2/14 from the Pirates. Madness. Hughes is going to get paid.

  70. DONNYBROOK December 21st, 2012 at 11:22 am

    I agree on Not liking AJP. The Yankee Clubhouse issue loomed large.

  71. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:22 am

    blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “I’d rather trade for Miguel Montero than sign AJP.”

    sure but I doubt that the Dbacks like that plan
    =================

    Fair enough. However, my point is that I’d rather trade for a good option, than sign a meh option.
    And if there isn’t a trade available, let’s give Romine a shot.

  72. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:22 am

    this is funny. you say you miss george and doing things his way.then you say you miss the excitement of young players.

  73. blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:24 am

    “Fair enough. However, my point is that I’d rather trade for a good option, than sign a meh option.
    And if there isn’t a trade available, let’s give Romine a shot.”

    for 7.5 million and one year AJP would have been perfect to platoon with Romine and allow him to get his feet wet…..

    I’d be all for trading for a long term option….but teams aren’t really anxious to deal there starting catchers and even if they will they cost a boat load.

    I really don’t get them not being involved at 7.5 for a year…..

  74. NYY fan in NH December 21st, 2012 at 11:25 am

    We are all gonna be pleasantly surprised when Ichiro comes out playing like the man of old

  75. 86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 11:26 am

    HOF voting

    1. Bonds – yes
    2. clemens- yes
    3. Piazza- yes
    4. Biggio- yes
    5 Bagwell- yes
    6. Raines -yes
    7. Sosa- no
    8- Mac- no
    9. Palmero- no
    10. Morris- yes

    ******************************************************************

    I agree with the decision on all ten of those.

    You can vote for ten… I would add Trammel and Lee Smith.

  76. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:27 am

    i say yes to piazza and biggio and no to the others.

  77. blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Trammel- yes
    Smith- i’m iffy on…probably yes though. The deciding factor for me on him is how ex players talk about facing him….

  78. blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:29 am

    HOF voting should really be pretty simple. Vote for the top 1% of players from the era they played in…..

  79. DONNYBROOK December 21st, 2012 at 11:30 am

    You let some of those guys in, and The Goose will kick their arse on sight.

  80. jacksquat December 21st, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:19 am
    “What makes you think that it will be? How quickly would you give up on him”
    ======================================
    statistics, specifically the past 2 seasons where his obp was about .308.

    ichiro posted a .288 obp over 423 at bats in seattle last year. are you suggesting that a similar performance is not possible? and consider this, brett gardner’s obp for the past 2 seasons combined is right around .350. is joe supposed to just give ichiro the leadoff spot because he’s ichiro even if he’s giving away 70 points in obp?

    Ichiro also had a .340 obp over 227 ab’s with the Yankees. That’s possible also.

    I think Ichiro will hit 1/2 when the season starts, if Gardner is clearly better then there might be a switch.

  81. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:19 am

    “What makes you think that it will be? How quickly would you give up on him”
    ======================================
    statistics, specifically the past 2 seasons where his obp was about .308.

    ichiro posted a .288 obp over 423 at bats in seattle last year. are you suggesting that a similar performance is not possible? and consider this, brett gardner’s obp for the past 2 seasons combined is right around .350. is joe supposed to just give ichiro the leadoff spot because he’s ichiro even if he’s giving away 70 points in obp?
    ===================

    No, I’m not suggesting that a repeat of is impossible. I am suggesting that it is not likely, and I would have to see it to believe it. The guy that I saw in pinstripes last year could still run, hit, and throw with the best of ‘em. Has he lost a step? I’m sure he has, but he had plenty to spare.

    Moreover, I think that Ichiro is a better bet to repeat his second half with the Yanks, than a 36-year-old AJP matching his output last year.

  82. DONNYBROOK December 21st, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Once again, reducing something to Just numbers. Foolish

  83. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:32 am

    blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:29 am

    HOF voting should really be pretty simple. Vote for the top 1% of players from the era they played in…..
    =======================

    not if they’re cheaters.

  84. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:34 am

    hey if ichiro is the same guy we had last year with the yankees, then great, he’s our leadoff hitter. i was just reacting to someone suggesting that NOT putting ichiro at leadoff was automatically the wrong decision. if he can hack being the leadoff, great, if not, someone else gets a shot.

  85. 86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Any interest in a Granderson/Hunter Pence based trade? Seems like it balances both lineups and the $$$ and time on contract are about the same.

    Getting young catcher Hector Sanchez in the deal would be a nice plus. What might the Giants like in addition?

  86. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:34 am

    hey if ichiro is the same guy we had last year with the yankees, then great, he’s our leadoff hitter. i was just reacting to someone suggesting that NOT putting ichiro at leadoff was automatically the wrong decision. if he can hack being the leadoff, great, if not, someone else gets a shot.
    ==================

    My point is that I wouldn’t give up on him if he has a bad April or May.

  87. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:41 am

    86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Any interest in a Granderson/Hunter Pence based trade? Seems like it balances both lineups and the $$$ and time on contract are about the same.

    Getting young catcher Hector Sanchez in the deal would be a nice plus. What might the Giants like in addition?
    =====================

    As much as I like Granderson–and I really like him alot.–I think that sounds like a great idea. It also sounds like the kind of idea that might appeal to Cashman, because he likes to get folks coming off down years, and Pence’s contract might fit into the Yankees’ plans.

  88. blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “not if they’re cheaters.”

    how do you know who cheated throughout history? Henry Aaron has admitted to using amphetamines several times…..would have have been able to play long enough to hit 755 without them? Would Mantle have been able to play at all without them? Did Babe Ruth inject himself with sheep testosterone and some say? What level of “cheating” is ok and what isn’t?

  89. jacksquat December 21st, 2012 at 11:41 am

    I think Ichiro is going to be very motivated to get those 394 more hits to reach 3000, and I am sure he knows that to do that he needs to hit well enough to stay at the top of the lineup.

    I would like him to get his walks back up to his usual 40-50.

  90. blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:42 am

    “Any interest in a Granderson/Hunter Pence based trade? Seems like it balances both lineups and the $$$ and time on contract are about the same.”

    yes…however I kinda doubt the Giants would make that swap.

  91. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am

    i dont care if its april or may i want the better leadoff hitter up there. it might be gardner in april and jeter in may and ichiro in august. when ichiro came over last year for the first few weeks, his #’s were just about the same as they were in seattle and joe batted him 9th. then he started hitting and joe moved him up, partly because of injuries in the middle of the order. im fine with going with whoever is doing the job when they are doing the job and moving on to someone else when necessary.

  92. blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am

    I would love to see Ichiro get to 3,000 in pinstipes…..because that’d be very cool and also because if he gets 394 hits over the next 2 years then that’s great news for the Yankees.

  93. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 11:44 am

    YS Guy,

    For your reading comprehension difficulty, let me try again. George signed new players annually. He wanted to create interest. I said I didn’t like his knee jerk reactions, but I did like his desire to win.

    Do I need to write that the third time?

  94. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:47 am

    write it all you want i was just laughing at the suggestion that george liked to bring up exciting young players.

    the fact is he hated them and any time he could trade a good young player for an aging veteran looking for one last season of large paychecks before retirement, george made that trade.

  95. mick December 21st, 2012 at 11:49 am

    didn’t gene michael stop george from trading the exciting young derek jeter?

  96. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 11:49 am

    I think the Hall should have steroid guidelines. Are mere suspicions enough? Listed on the report? Failed tests? Just to leave to the sportwriters to assess guilt based upon their own standards or assumptions doesn’t see right to me.

  97. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Who said George liked to bring up exciting young guys? I said he liked to create excitement.

  98. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:52 am

    when george came back from his second suspension the ‘youth movement’ was already well underway and to his credit george didn’t interfere with that or insist on going back to his old ways of doing things. the result was a dynasty.

  99. Nick in SF December 21st, 2012 at 11:53 am

    “HOF voting should really be pretty simple. Vote for the top 1% of players from the era they played in…..”

    Un-Occupy Cooperstown?

  100. mick December 21st, 2012 at 11:53 am

    for 7.5 million and one year AJP would have been perfect to platoon with Romine and allow him to get his feet wet…..
    ===================
    sounds alot like the martin-montero dream.
    and again we assume too much.
    behind the scene ajp-montero comparisons are mysteriously disregarded by the stir it up crowd.

  101. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Reading comprehension people. Read the black part.

  102. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:53 am

    blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “not if they’re cheaters.”

    how do you know who cheated throughout history? Henry Aaron has admitted to using amphetamines several times…..would have have been able to play long enough to hit 755 without them? Would Mantle have been able to play at all without them? Did Babe Ruth inject himself with sheep testosterone and some say? What level of “cheating” is ok and what isn’t?
    ======================

    I don’t know who cheated in history (aside from the Black Sox and Kevin Gross). And I’m not interested in adjudicating those cases. I do know that Bonds cheated, and I strongly suspect that Clemens may have cheated. I don’t know any level of cheating that is okay, but I have to think that endemic cheating–like steroid use– is especially pernicious and fundamentally contrary to any notion of athletic competition. I can live with a guy corking his bat or scuffing a baseball, but the steroid use is of a completely different nature.

  103. mick December 21st, 2012 at 11:54 am

    We are lacking the excitement additions and young players bring to a team.
    ==============================
    Then you should love Hal , as that’s what he’s going to do.

  104. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I can live with a guy corking his bat or scuffing a baseball, but the steroid use is of a completely different nature.

    How? Your first two go directly against the rules of baseball as the game, designed to gain significant advantage within the system. The other is related to the body of a participant.

  105. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:55 am

    DAMN! We’re all still alive! the mayans LIED!

    Man, i’ve got alot of shoping to do now!

  106. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am

    i dont care if its april or may i want the better leadoff hitter up there. it might be gardner in april and jeter in may and ichiro in august. when ichiro came over last year for the first few weeks, his #’s were just about the same as they were in seattle and joe batted him 9th. then he started hitting and joe moved him up, partly because of injuries in the middle of the order. im fine with going with whoever is doing the job when they are doing the job and moving on to someone else when necessary.
    ==========================

    I want the best leadoff hitter we have as well. However, the best guy for the job may not have the best #s at any given point in time.

  107. blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:57 am

    What bugs me about the HOF voting…..in addition to writers just trying to guess who took PEDS and who didn’t…..is the new wave of voting for players based totally off of the new statistics out there……especially when the writers don’t take the time to actually learn what the statistics mean.

    Ken Davidoff was on the radio yesterday and was going over his ballot and he was explaining why he didn’t vote for Mike Piazza……it wasn’t because of steroids suspicion but because of his WAR and how it looked compared to others on the ballot…..

    now everyone who knows anything about WAR knows that it consistently underates catchers…..because they really don’t have a great way to quantify the defense of the position and that hurts them…..and that compared to other catchers in the HOF Piazza stacks up nicely

    If you don’t know the stats well enough to know what they mean…..then how can you be using it as your sole tool to vote for players?

  108. mick December 21st, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Man, i’ve got alot of shoping to do now!
    =======================
    speaking of shopping, Shoppach will fall in our laps.

  109. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 11:57 am

    They have added neither excitement or youth. Their signings average about 38 -39 years of age. We don’t know what Hal is doing in the future. Neither does he. They will likely hope for youth and sign the old.

  110. Patrick December 21st, 2012 at 11:59 am

    People aren’t voting Piazza for the hall of fame? Seriously? He’s the best hitting catcher of all time

  111. jacksquat December 21st, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Shoppach would be good vs lhp, but that only covers 1/3 of the games.

  112. mick December 21st, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    We don’t know what Hal is doing in the future. Neither does he.
    =============================
    then we can only wait and hope for the best..

    how do you know what he’s thinking anyway?

    aren’t you the innocent till proven guilty advocate? nobody did steroids, right?

  113. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    My purely subjective Hall of Fame vote would boil down to whether the player was considered elite during his playing days. To me, longevity is not enough. He should have been a player considered among the very best at his position for an extended period.

    Shoppach would be an upgrade.

  114. Patrick December 21st, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Awesome gif of Dickey throwing a pitch: http://i.imgur.com/MbYee.gif

  115. The Return of Stoneburner December 21st, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 11:21 am
    When George took over the Yankees were just another team. Their attendance was awful. He brought hope and excitement back. He made many mistakes along the way, we all know.

    I think what we would like is the same committment to winning with a cooler approach in decison making. We don’t need to make a trade when a guy goes 0-4 or makes an error.

    We are lacking the excitement additions and young players bring to a team. I predict attendance will decline in the first half this year becasue of that. We shall see.

    *****

    Isn’t Austin Romine a young player? Shouldn’t his potential for being a catcher for the Yanks in 2013 bring you excitement? Or is it just certain young players that some blogs and pundits at BA write about that you want to become excited about? (For example, there is this kid, Ruben Rivera, he is fantastic, he is wonderful – pay no attention to this 2b converted to a catcher, pay no attention, wait over here – there is Brien Taylor, BA sings his praise, pay no attention this skinny kid from Panama who had TJ surgery and is on the backfield here in ST – or this other kid as a draft and follow from Deer Park, Texas) – - – -

  116. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    blake December 21st, 2012 at 11:57 am

    What bugs me about the HOF voting…..in addition to writers just trying to guess who took PEDS and who didn’t…..is the new wave of voting for players based totally off of the new statistics out there……especially when the writers don’t take the time to actually learn what the statistics mean.

    ———————————

    Good point. I would go one step further and ask why the sportswriters are relying on the stats as much as they do. It seems to me that the reason the baseball writers were given the franchise of voting for the HoF admission, because they chronicled the game and and as a result, saw more games. If they are going to use the stats as a substitute for first-hand experience, then why do we need them at all?

  117. 86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    “Cheating” on the field is okay, but “cheating” off the field isn’t?

    Talk about BASS-ACKWARD logic.

    I don’t understand how you can “cheat” if there is no rule against what you used, no testing mechanism to identify users and no specific discipline for it.

  118. jacksquat December 21st, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    I wouldn’t mind if they traded for Rob Brantly of the Marlins (young lefthanded hitting catcher), and then went with a Brantly/Cervelli or Brantly/Shoppach platoon. Shouldn’t take too much to get Brantly.

  119. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    I don’t know who did steroids if there isn’t evidence. But, you do? Psychic powers not available to mere mortal humans? Do sportwriters possess this power too?

    Do you prefer the guilt by rumor approach? For baseball or all parts of life?

    I do agree we are powerless over the Yankees’ future and can only watch and wait.

  120. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    My purely subjective Hall of Fame vote would boil down to whether the player was considered elite during his playing days. To me, longevity is not enough. He should have been a player considered among the very best at his position for an extended period.

    Shoppach would be an upgrade.
    ============

    Longevity isn’t enough by itself, but it is huge. It’s not easy to hold a roster spot on an MLB team for an extended period of time. I think that MVP and CY Young trophies–especially multiple trophies– are pretty big indicators of who should be admitted.

  121. mick December 21st, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    1st some fans criticize them for not being able to win in the PS then they want the youngsters and FA’s that they don’t have as the answer. since that can’t be proven they criticize mgmnt.
    then it’s the ballpark and the fans.

    if it’s not perfect and results in a title then you complain.

    but then again, what are blogs for?

    entitled , spoiled, embittered are we?

  122. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    “Cheating” on the field is okay, but “cheating” off the field isn’t?

    Talk about BASS-ACKWARD logic.

    I don’t understand how you can “cheat” if there is no rule against what you used, no testing mechanism to identify users and no specific discipline for it.
    =====================

    If that was directed at me, can you show me where I said cheating on the field is okay?

  123. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    BTW, steroids were banned from baseball in 1991.

  124. 86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Ghostwriter —-

    It was directed at whoever wrote this line that Jerkface also responded to:

    “I can live with a guy corking his bat or scuffing a baseball, but the steroid use is of a completely different nature.”

    Gotta run… have a great day all…

  125. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Stoneburner,

    Romine isn’t a top ten Yankee prospect from anyone’s assessment. He may not be a top twenty. I was excited about Montero. Heck, I was excited about Pineda. I wish the farm was producing some top prospects ready to play.

    Look at Romine’s stats in the last two years. I don’t see a reasonable expectation he will hit adequatey. I hope I am wrong.

    Can players surprise us? Of course. I had advocated giving Adams a chance since he has produced when healthy.

  126. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    BTW, steroids were banned from baseball in 1991.

    In a completely unenforceable manner, sure.

  127. The Return of Stoneburner December 21st, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    mick December 21st, 2012 at 12:07 pm
    1st some fans criticize them for not being able to win in the PS then they want the youngsters and FA’s that they don’t have as the answer. since that can’t be proven they criticize mgmnt.
    then it’s the ballpark and the fans.

    if it’s not perfect and results in a title then you complain.

    but then again, what are blogs for?

    entitled , spoiled, embittered are we?

    ******

    Wow, as someone said on twitter about Chad – this is spot on – - – -

    I will add this about chronic complainers or those who are potentially addicted to complaining:

    Complaining is a way they have learned to attempt to get this. They use complaining as a form of control, hoping to guilt others into giving them the attention, caring and compassion they seek.

    Complaining is a “pull” on other people. Energetically, complainers are pulling on others for caring and understanding because they have emotionally abandoned themselves.

    They are like demanding little children. The problem is that most people dislike being pulled on and demanded of. Most people don’t want emotional responsibility for another person and will withdraw in the face of another’s complaints.

    http://www.seniormag.com/careg.....aining.htm

  128. blake December 21st, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “I do know that Bonds cheated, and I strongly suspect that Clemens may have cheated. I don’t know any level of cheating that is okay”

    you know Aaron and Mays cheated too by today’s standards…..

  129. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Ghostwriter —-

    It was directed at whoever wrote this line that Jerkface also responded to:

    “I can live with a guy corking his bat or scuffing a baseball, but the steroid use is of a completely different nature.”

    Gotta run… have a great day all…
    =============

    You probably shouldn’t react to things, without knowing their full context.

  130. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    “Longevity isn’t enough by itself, but it is huge. It’s not easy to hold a roster spot on an MLB team for an extended period of time. I think that MVP and CY Young trophies–especially multiple trophies– are pretty big indicators of who should be admitted.”
    ———————————————————————————
    tim raines personifies this quandry. huge lifetime stats compiled over a 23 year career where he was rarely even the best player on his own team. top 5 in mvp only once, an all star only 7 times in his 23 seasons. to me he was never a hall of famer.

  131. 86w183 December 21st, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    “BTW, steroids were banned from baseball in 1991.”

    ************************************************************************

    No they weren’t.

    The Commissioner sent out a memorandum to that effect in 1991 but that memorandum was in violation of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and thus was never enforced in any way shape or form.

    The MLBA even dismissed it at the time as a stunt.

    Now I’m going out

  132. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    BTW, steroids were banned from baseball in 1991.

    In a completely unenforceable manner, sure.
    ==============

    Yes, but banned nonetheless. Anybody who use them, knew that they were breaking the rules.

  133. blake December 21st, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Relying on stats is one thing if that’s what you believe in and that’s how you want to vote…..but if you’re gonna do that then you had better know inside and out what the numbers actually mean for each player or you should be voting that way…..

  134. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Yes, but banned nonetheless. Anybody who use them, knew that they were breaking the rules.

    Nah, because it wasn’t ‘the rules’. Ignored by management, ownership, and the MLBPA. Not disseminated to the players. Not part of a CBA.

  135. The Return of Stoneburner December 21st, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
    Stoneburner,

    Romine isn’t a top ten Yankee prospect from anyone’s assessment. He may not be a top twenty. I was excited about Montero. Heck, I was excited about Pineda. I wish the farm was producing some top prospects ready to play.

    Look at Romine’s stats in the last two years. I don’t see a reasonable expectation he will hit adequatey. I hope I am wrong.

    Can players surprise us? Of course. I had advocated giving Adams a chance since he has produced when healthy.

    ******

    Romine was named to the 2012 AFL all prospect team – along with Montgomery – - – -

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  136. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    You probably shouldn’t react to things, without knowing their full context.

    What more context is needed in a statement: “I’m fine with scuffing balls/corking bats but not with steroid use’. I don’t consider steroids cheating, but the former is most definitely cheating.

  137. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    I look at the HOF like the Oscars… half of the reason for it’s existence is to start discussion and not always reflect actual ability.

  138. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Ghostwriter,

    I agree longevity is a factor, but simply playing a long time as a good player doesn’t strike me special enough. Depsite my love for him as a kid, Maris’ time as an elite wasn’t long enough.

    These are obviously subjective views. Others can have their own views which I respect.

  139. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Romine was named to the 2012 AFL all prospect team – along with Montgomery – – – -

    Is that the same AFL where Romine had a sub .700 OPS, in what is considered a big hitters league?

  140. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    @YankeeSource

    2/14MM for Liriano, who had a 5.34 ERA in 2012 and a 5.09 ERA in 2011. There is no better profession than being a LHP. #Pirates

  141. Ys Guy December 21st, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    using a prescription only medication (steroids) for any purpose other than legitimate medical needs is illegal in the u.s. players were taking medication illegally in order to enhance thier performance. i believe it was in the players contracts that using drugs illegally was against the rules.

  142. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I have never seen any of the minor leaguers play nearly enough to have a valid opinion on them. I rely on stats and reports of others. Romine did make that list in the AFL. He was asecond round draft pick with some family lineage. He better be ready. We need him.

  143. blake December 21st, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    I can’t believe the Pirates gave Liriano 2 years…..

  144. The Return of Stoneburner December 21st, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Is that the same AFL where Romine had a sub .700 OPS, in what is considered a big hitters league?

    ******

    “The Arizona Fall League announces its 2012 Top Prospects Team. Selected by Fall League managers and coaches, the Top Prospects Team recognizes players who distinguished themselves throughout the league’s six-week 2012 schedule against other top prospects from every organization in Major League Baseball. Voters also were asked to consider Fall League performance and major league projectability.”

    Let’s see – guy on a blog OR coaches and managers who have more experience than guy on a blog – I am going with the AFL coaches and managers on this one- – - -

  145. austinmac December 21st, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    I was hoping for Liriano as a cheap potential extra pitcher. No one is cheap anymore it seems.

  146. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I can live with a guy corking his bat or scuffing a baseball, but the steroid use is of a completely different nature.

    How? Your first two go directly against the rules of baseball as the game, designed to gain significant advantage within the system. The other is related to the body of a participant.
    ===================

    They are both bad. However, corked bats and scuffed balls can be adjudicated on the field. There is only so long that you can get away with that. Steroid use is different because it fundamentally alters the nature of the competition itself. If all or most of your competitors are using performance-enhancing drugs, then it induces the marginal players and aspirants to take the same damaging drugs to compete. The value of sports is that it teaches the value of competition, hard work, dedication, teamwork, and exercise. In this light, sports are fundamentally virtuous. However, if you have to ingest dangerous chemicals to achieve a superhuman level of performance, at the long-term risk to your health, then sports become vicious.

  147. kd December 21st, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    my two cents about the HOF and PED’s. Full disclosure: I think the vast majority of players used at some point in their career, there was just too much money involved and there probably was a ‘keeping up with the jones’ mentality….

    you have to compare players to their era. guys like sosa and mac played in their era and were head and shoulders above other hitters, and hit off a lot of juiced pitchers. hard to draw the line, i say let them in….

    one last thing. it lets you know just how good Derek Sanderson Jeter really is. He played the vast majority of his career against guys who were juicing. and he put up all time great numbers while clean. Another reason it’s been a pleasure to watch him play

  148. kd December 21st, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    man…. i really wish i was a tall lefty who could pitch. i’d have a lot more money than i do now

  149. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    It was probably a process of elimination. Zunino had a .800 OPS so he was the starter. The next highest catcher was Romine at .628. No other catchers in the league qualified by PA.

  150. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    and he put up all time great numbers while clean.

    This is, of course, only speculation.

  151. mick December 21st, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Do with Romine and Shoppach what some wanted with Montero and Martin.
    The pupil-understudy arrangement. See what Romine’s got till Sanchez comes along.
    They emphasize defense here, or say they do.

    Get a 4th OF, doesn’t have to be a righty, could even be Dickerson. Get Ibanez. Nunez will be the RH DH or Jeter.

    We are more complete than most now and by the opener.

    At least no one is complaining about the pitching.

  152. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    “… corked bats and scuffed balls can be adjudicated on the field. There is only so long that you can get away with that. Steroid use is different because it fundamentally alters the nature of the competition itself.”

    I have no idea how you reconcile your first point with your second point.

    Corked bats and scuffed balls do alter the nature of the competition… if they didn’t they’d be legal.

    This cheating discussion sort of reminds me of a guy I used to date who did tried to rationalize different levels of cheating… do bj’s count? (That one’s for you, MTU!)

  153. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    do bj’s count?

    Not if you don’t inhale.

  154. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    You probably shouldn’t react to things, without knowing their full context.

    What more context is needed in a statement: “I’m fine with scuffing balls/corking bats but not with steroid use’. I don’t consider steroids cheating, but the former is most definitely cheating.
    =========

    Oh gee, maybe the part in which I said, “I don’t know of any level of cheating that is okay.” Wouldn’t you agree that there are degrees of culpability, and proportionate response? Would you send a purse snatcher to jail for life, because that is the punishment that a murderer may deserve? Put another way, would you preclude an otherwise HoFer from the Hall, because he once corked his bat in a game? I wouldn’t. However, I would keep out a guy that gambled on baseball, or a guy that used PEDS for an extended period time, because they fundamentally undermine the integrity of game.

  155. DONNYBROOK December 21st, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Anbody here believe Davidoff ONLY uses stats to decide his HOF Vote? Didn’t think so.

  156. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Put another way, would you preclude an otherwise HoFer from the Hall, because he once corked his bat in a game? or a guy that used PEDS for an extended period time

    How do you know the player only did it for a game? Or that PEDs were for ‘an extended’ period? You cannot equate cheating in a game to murder & larceny. Those 2 have very different outcomes. Cheating in the game no matter what form it takes works towards the same desired outcome, victory in the sport.

  157. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    do bj’s count?

    Not if you don’t inhale.

    ——–

    :lol:

  158. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    kd December 21st, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    my two cents about the HOF and PED’s. Full disclosure: I think the vast majority of players used at some point in their career, there was just too much money involved and there probably was a ‘keeping up with the jones’ mentality….

    =-

    The keeping up with the Jones thing is why PED use is so bad. It’s hard to blame a marginal player that might not make the cut for using PEDS if everybody around him is doing it. That’s why it shouldn’t be allowed…

  159. UnKnown December 21st, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Nobody really thought that the world was going to end today, right?

    I don’t know why people even pay attention to these ridiculous things.

  160. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    That’s why it shouldn’t be allowed…

    Or it should be allowed and let these athletes reach their physical prime through science as God intended it.

  161. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    Put another way, would you preclude an otherwise HoFer from the Hall, because he once corked his bat in a game? or a guy that used PEDS for an extended period time

    How do you know the player only did it for a game? Or that PEDs were for ‘an extended’ period? You cannot equate cheating in a game to murder & larceny. Those 2 have very different outcomes. Cheating in the game no matter what form it takes works towards the same desired outcome, victory in the sport.
    ===========

    I made no such equation. I made an analogy illustrating a general principle. Relatively minor infractions deserve relatively minor punishment, and more serious infractions deserve more severe punishment. And the difficulty in catching PEDS users is an argument FOR making the punishment more severe: Low likelihood of detection*high cost of being caught= expected cost of activity. MLB needs to make the expected cost of being caught using PEDS high enough to dissuade players from using them.

  162. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    UnKnown December 21st, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Nobody really thought that the world was going to end today, right?

    I don’t know why people even pay attention to these ridiculous things
    ====

    It was fun to talk about! :)

  163. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    That’s why it shouldn’t be allowed…

    Or it should be allowed and let these athletes reach their physical prime through science as God intended it.
    =================

    Right. Because parents should be encouraging kids to take destructive drugs to realize their dream of being an athlete. The ends justify the means.

  164. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Relatively minor infractions such as ‘getting stronger’ should be punished less than major infractions like ‘altering the equipment of the game’

  165. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Right. Because parents should be encouraging kids to take destructive drugs to realize their dream of being an athlete. The ends justify the means.

    They are only potentially destructive if taken improperly, which outlawing them most definitely leads to.

  166. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    This cheating discussion sort of reminds me of a guy I used to date who did tried to rationalize different levels of cheating.

    ————–

    It shouldn’t, because I haven’t done any such thing.

  167. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Relatively minor infractions such as ‘getting stronger’ should be punished less than major infractions like ‘altering the equipment of the game’
    ==============

    Right again. Because PEDS are necessary for lifting weights and exercise. Oy.

  168. Shame Spencer December 21st, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    This cheating discussion sort of reminds me of a guy I used to date who did tried to rationalize different levels of cheating.

    ————–

    It shouldn’t, because I haven’t done any such thing.

    ————–

    You’re trying to rationalize levels of cheating (ie: a corked bat is less cheat-y than using steroids). It’s the same thing.

    Also.. let’s argue over here before the shut the comments down on us again :twisted:

    :arrow:

  169. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    ————–

    You’re trying to rationalize levels of cheating (ie: a corked bat is less cheat-y than using steroids). It’s the same thing.

    ==========================

    I’m not doing any such thing. Read better. I saide that both are bad, but one is worse than the other, and deserving of more harsh penalties (like exclusion from the HoF).

    And have a nice day!

  170. Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    If only these cheats were on different levels…with different punishments…

    That sounds like rationalizing different levels of cheating to me.

  171. Ghostwriter December 21st, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Jerkface December 21st, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    If only these cheats were on different levels…with different punishments…

    That sounds like rationalizing different levels of cheating to me.
    ==========

    Then I suggest that you consult a dictionary. I’m moving on with my day.

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