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So much for that: Ibanez heading back to Seattle

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 22, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Raul Ibanez is heading back to familiar territory, but not with the Yankees.

According to Sweeny Murti and Ken Rosenthal, Ibanez has agreed to a one-year deal with the Mariners, the team that originally drafted him and gave him his first chance in the big leagues.

The Yankees were known to be interested in re-signing Ibanez — Brian Cashman had admitted to having conversations with his agent — but reports this week indicated that Seattle was interested and Ibanez was itching to make a decision. He will almost certainly settle into an outfield role with the Mariners, who already have the DH spot covered in the wake of this week’s Kendrys Morales trade. The Mariners outfield is a spot of weakness.

As for the Yankees, Ibanez would not have been a perfect fit — they certainly don’t need additional left-handed outfield depth – but he did seem to be one of the better options on the free agent market. Losing out on Ibanez leaves the Yankees DH spot wide open.

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385 Responses to “So much for that: Ibanez heading back to Seattle”

  1. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    good by raul, thank you and best of luck against everyone except the Yankees!

    found this on wiki”:In a poll of 290 Major League players by Sports Illustrated, Ibáñez was voted the second nicest major league player, after Jim Thome.”

  2. UpState December 22nd, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    ‘Frees up” about $1,100,000 ?

    Who’s available for that amount (or probably less) ?

  3. austinmac December 22nd, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Mick wants the nicest.

  4. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:39 pm

    Mick, I’ve got the Allman Brothers live at the Fillmore East. ( On,….lP )

  5. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Nunez to fulltime DH!

  6. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q10-BBOLK0

    dickey betts jmills

  7. NYYROC December 22nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    jmills u had me confused!

  8. The Return of Stoneburner December 22nd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Thanks for someone wonderful October memories Raul – - – -

  9. austinmac December 22nd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Thanks Raul. You gave us a good many thrills. Good luck next year.

  10. The Return of Stoneburner December 22nd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    errr – some – - – - -

  11. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9dh9regbjo

    Highway Call

  12. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Raul was a gamer, good luck buddy, thanks for the memories….

  13. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    NYYROC,…nobody had u confused!

    Mick,….I bet Dickey!

  14. Captain Clutch December 22nd, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    I can’t wait to hear Cashman’s favorite line this off season….the Yanks never made an offer to Ibanez. I don’t think Hal is going to snap out of it until he sees all of the empty seats next year. Maybe then he will realize that people won’t come if he won’t continue to put a good team on the field. There were a ton of empty seats during the post season and it will continue until the organization figures out a real plan.

  15. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    yanks are either daring or stupid…i can see thome and shoppach

  16. tucker December 22nd, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Raul’s clutch gene will be missed, but the Yanks really didn’t need another LH bat. Add a RH/DH type and give Dickerson a shot also.

  17. Captain Clutch December 22nd, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    I guess they couldn’t afford $4m for a DH…
    ———————

    Daniel Barbarisi?@DanBarbarisi

    According to major league source, Raul Ibanez gets $2,750,000 base plus up to 1,250,000 in performance bonuses from Seattle.

  18. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    DanBarbarisi profile

    DanBarbarisi According to major league source, Raul Ibanez gets $2,750,000 base plus up to 1,250,000 in performance bonuses from Seattle.

    Now we know why he left….

  19. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f08wgk3SeHE

  20. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/l.....#038;rel=0

  21. Doreen December 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    I wish Ibanez all the best. I really wish he was coming back

    I no longer know or guess what type of team the Tankees are trying to put together. This gut gave the Yankees everything he had and they did not move fast enough on
    Him. What are they waiting for? Babe and JoebD are long gone.

  22. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Dickey on One Way Out

    check it mills

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3YzN2zflIo

  23. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    doreen are you drunk?

  24. tucker December 22nd, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Cashman still thinks he can wait out players he wants. It’s not that type of market this year unfortunately.

  25. Doreen December 22nd, 2012 at 8:59 pm

    Oops Did not mean to type Tankees. Freudian slip or too much wine with dinner? You decide. Or was it the horrible iPhone keyboard AND too much wine with dinner?

  26. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:01 pm

    i guess hal wants situational hitters..

  27. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    i like raul, i saw him in kansas city way back and always liked him. last ST when everybody was hating on him i maintained that he would be fine and would win people over.

    BUT…nothing against anyone on last year’s team but the more they change the roster around, the better, imo. the yankees have way too many guys over 35 and while im a raul fan im glad they took a pass on him.

    bring in some new blood, please…

  28. Doreen December 22nd, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    Mick it sure might look that way. It’s the dang iPhone keyboard.

  29. chicken little December 22nd, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    the reality is there are tons of revenue streams — hal doesn’t need us to show up to make money.

  30. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    i know it’s not my money, but $4M?

  31. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    thome will play for 1/2 of that…

  32. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    make it a 1/4

  33. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Mick, the Allman Brothers rock,….no doubt, Gwen Steffani. ( Or, whatever her name is Anne and Nancy Wilson! )

  34. austinmac December 22nd, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    I’m all for new blood, but unless it’s a trade, the rest of the free agent market is either demanding a multi year deal or a downgrade.

    The roster, counting Nix and Nunez, looks like eleven players for next year. Either two non-catching rookies play or they add old and cheap. I’d prefer the rookies.

  35. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:11 pm

    i don’t buy this idea that there’s a bottomless pit of money. as a buisness venture, while there are large profits to be had, there is also a humongous pile of money invested in the franchise and if it’s not returning a handsome profit then the family could and probably should think about ways to maximize their profit elsewhere.

    that’s just the way capital works. the Yankees are not a public trust or a not-for profit organization. if the margins were as huge as people on this blog suggest, then the price of a franchise would be even higher than it has reached to this point.

  36. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    the more rookies the better imo.

  37. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    http://r9—sn-tt17rn7l.c......_counter=1

  38. Triple Short of a Cycle December 22nd, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Next off season should be even better

  39. Triple Short of a Cycle December 22nd, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    the more rookies the better imo.

    ———————–

    That worked well in 2008

  40. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    worked well in 1995

  41. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....PEXeCofiRt

    wang dang doodle….mills

  42. Against All Odds December 22nd, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:18 pm
    worked well in 1995

    ——————

    That was a perfect storm Ys. How many things like that or similar happen to the same organization twice. Switching sports for a sec. the Bulls still haven’t drafted a player even 50% of MJ

  43. tucker December 22nd, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    There is no bottomless pit of revenue, I agree. And Hal will discover over the next two years that there are no guarantees revenue will continue to go up. Not counting the TV deal that benefits all team’s, I suspect the Yankee’s revenue (at least the streams controlled by the team) will in fact go down, or at least stay flat.

    If you are a technology company, you do not cut R&D. If you are an entertainment concern, you don’t skimp on talent.

  44. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    that ‘perfect storm’ can only happen if you allow room for the rookies to come up.

    nobody in the world could have predicted what would happen with the ‘secret weapon’, but there was a space for him in the bronx and he turned into mariano rivera.

  45. RMS December 22nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    Since it seems Hal doesn’t want to spend any more money, use your minor league guys to fill your holes.

  46. yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2012 at 9:29 pm

    Et tu, Raul?

  47. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    O.K., Mick, we’re gonna’ play Rush all night long!…..lucky u!!! :)

  48. yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    If only Melky Mesa could hit breaking balls?

  49. blake December 22nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Ibanez hit some Huge homers … But he was pretty bad for large parts if the season and he’s just another year older ….. We can hope they are holding the spot for somebody better….. But I won’t get my hopes uo

  50. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    if you think the yankees don’t have people calculating the #’s and working out expected revenues for the next decade or two you are crazy. perhaps you have forgotten that they have assumed almost the entire cost of the soulless revenue generating machine they have build to replace the cathedral of baseball…

    the market sets valuations and equity and believe me, the yankees know every day exactly where they stand financially.

  51. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    Hi YF! – us idiots staying up! Talking Heads is / are great – Rush convec about them a lot! Alex Lifeson said his favourite band is , ” Ultravox “. ( He loves the Police and Sting, too! )

  52. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    check this classic mills:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=audxGqo5AkQ

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    If only Melky Mesa could hit breaking balls?
    ///

    The real Melky can :mad: Shoulda signed him. My guess is, a deal’s coming.

  54. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Canned Heat – perfect!!!!!

  55. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    on the road again

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF0LLfm2bns

  56. Bo knows December 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    I for one, see Ibanez signing as a win for both Cashman and Ibanez. Cashman got some decent one year service at a cheap price. A lefty power stroke at YS might be successful? Oh Yeah. Can the Yankees gamble that Ibanez doesn’t turn into another Jones at that price? No, you can assign at the one mil mark, four mil not so much. Next…

    Ibanez parlayed a couple of streaks into another potential four mil with an offense challenged team. Where’s the beef?

  57. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Alfred,…..I told u to get off my blog my tres friend! ( My, fried fiend! )

    :)

  58. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    said hey you get off a my cloud…

  59. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    classic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QuHqjnfpLE

  60. tucker December 22nd, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    The market does set valuations, yes. And we’ll see where the market takes the Yanks over the next two years.

    The market began to speak last two years with declining attendance and ratings. And that was with the team in the playoffs.

  61. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    ” Hey, hey, you, you, get off of my cloud! “

  62. Bo knows December 22nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    If only Melky Mesa could hit breaking balls?

    ———————
    If only Melky Mesa didn’t do a Bo Jangles in every at bat. He doesn’t have time to react to a breaking ball. He must have incredible talent to be able to square up to the ball occasionally from all those moving parts. Everytime I see his at bats I cringe. Cano – economy of motion and Mesa. The pain.

  63. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    what exactly did the market say, though? did the market say that the yankees had no chance to win the WS or did it say that a team constructed of ‘old pros’ with no youth no young potential and no excitement is boring even if it’s contending for a WS title?

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock December 22nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Alfred,…..I told u to get off my blog my tres friend! ( My, fried fiend! )

    ///

    mr mills, I grew nostalgic for your 60-watt lighted imagination :D

  65. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    ” What a drag it is to get up “

  66. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4

    one of the greatest of all time

  67. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Alfred,…I have underappreciated bulbs over here!

  68. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    hal is responding to those who prayed for situational hitting while satisfying his need to not spend money…get thome and shoppach for what raul wanted…BOGO

  69. Against All Odds December 22nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 pm
    that ‘perfect storm’ can only happen if you allow room for the rookies to come up.

    nobody in the world could have predicted what would happen with the ‘secret weapon’, but there was a space for him in the bronx and he turned into mariano rivera.

    ————————

    But you can give the rookies a shot and they can still fail. JF said it best you want to work the kids in over time not throw them to the wolves. They are depending on these kids to save the day not blend in.

  70. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    for the uninformed BOGO means buy one get one free….

  71. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    of course rookies can fail that is exactly the excitement of having rookies on the team. if you knew they were sure things and they’d come through exactly as projected, there would be no excitement.

  72. Bo knows December 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Re Maxwell – Back when – we spent a whole mess of time on RAB putting up posts on stealing Maxwell from the Nationals, all the signs were there. Much later, when the Yankees got Maxwell, there was jubilation in the land. Errk. Doesn’t feel better that he had a good year for Houston. All the luck = bad.

  73. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    well, jf has never been wrong, as he reminds us constantly, so i guess i have to apologize for rooting for young guys to step up and excel…

  74. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    hal is responding to those who prayed for situational hitting
    ==============================
    and to those who wanted to get younger

  75. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Hi , Bo Knows! Let’s get this Gilles Villeneuve thing happening fast!!!!!

  76. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    this actually opens the DH up for Jeter with Nunez to SS.

  77. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Gada Da Vida Mills…..

  78. jacksquat December 22nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    tucker December 22nd, 2012 at 8:46 pm
    Raul’s clutch gene will be missed, but the Yanks really didn’t need another LH bat. Add a RH/DH type and give Dickerson a shot also.

    The LH bats are in the OF, who do you propose DH’s vs rhp? Still missing that. Now I would say you could use Dickerson, with one of the 4 lefthanded OF being the dh (rotate for rest), but somehow I can’t imagine the Yankees relying on that solution headed into spring training. I think they want an Ibanez but they want him for 1 mil to fit in Hal’s budget limit. Good luck with that.

  79. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Jeter can be a DH like Molitar and Winfield, why not?

  80. blake December 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: Nationals & LaRoche Inching Towards New Contract http://t.co/YN7oO5k9 #mlb

    Trade for morse

  81. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    In a gada da da vida baby!

  82. mick December 22nd, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    mills iron butterfly one hit wonder?

  83. Bo knows December 22nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    jmills

    I’m watching crappy feeds ie Shultz and Marincin – from OKC. After all my misspent youth spent with hockey players, I should have maintained the last boycott. But Mactavish hockey finally ran it’s course and slowly I got suckered in with Renney.

    Hockey players – despair.

    Whom the Gods would destroy….

  84. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    so i lost track of blog fave johnny damon last year. did anyone pick him up after he was dfa’d by the indians? did he retire?

  85. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    Mick, I don’t think so and definitely include them in.

  86. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Bo, I have had enough of the lockout! Fire all of them!!!

  87. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    so im not a hockey fan, but i have an observation that i think might explain what’s going on in the nhl, maybe im crazy…
    the ‘old teams’ (the original 6 plus the big markets they added in the 60′s and 70′s) kept approving expansions (to markets that dont really give a crap about hockey) so they could rake in some huge checks…and now there are so many of these crappy teams in crappy markets losing tons of money that they are able to outvote the financially sound teams in league matters and are the ones supporting this lockout, while the ‘original’ (money making) franchises lose out.

  88. JoeMimic December 22nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Can’t wait until we sign Giambi….Only kidding…Please no Giambi.

  89. jacksquat December 22nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
    Jeter can be a DH like Molitar and Winfield, why not?

    I can’t see 1. Jeter agreeing to become full time DH nor 2. them giving Nunez the full time job at SS.

  90. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    YS, you’re on to something!

  91. jacksquat December 22nd, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    The Giambino! Ha, that would be funny, but never gonna happen. He doesn’t fit the apparent image of a Yankee. Too scruffy.

  92. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Jacksquat – Jeter should be happy at this point. No shame in being a Paul Molitar D.H..

  93. blake December 22nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    @jnorris427: RT @Dejan_Kovacevic: Another name coming to #Pirates is reliever Mark Melancon, owner of 6-plus ERA last season. / Former Thunder.

  94. Against All Odds December 22nd, 2012 at 10:24 pm

    Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
    of course rookies can fail that is exactly the excitement of having rookies on the team. if you knew they were sure things and they’d come through exactly as projected, there would be no excitement.

    ——————————

    True and I like watching young my point is they shouldn’t just throw them out there in 14.

  95. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    you wanna talk about cheap….take the rockies….they are sooooo cheap that they thought about making giambi the manager so they could basically pay him his salary to be both a player and the manager, thus elimiating the manager’s salary.

    that didnt work out (giambi probably asked for a single room on road trips) so they signed the manager of the colorado high school 5a championship team, walt wiess, to be their manager(for an undislosed amount).

  96. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    YS and Against, Go Jays Go! :)

  97. Against All Odds December 22nd, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    young kids*

  98. Bo knows December 22nd, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    Hockey players are pure jocks. Read and react, true. Life was so good, they were graduating to the high maintenance eye candy. Serious stuff. Fehr is a megalomaniac that was run out of other sports. Recipe for disaster.

    The league needs 50% split to survive in its present form. The owners thought they had a deal, Fehr did a mini squeeze just to show off, a one up, playing to the troops. The players are being played by sleaze and they’re reverting to the gronk stage. So, we have this posturing and playing to the public. Gaah.

    It wouldn’t be so bad, if I didn’t know them up close and personal.

  99. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    jmills the jays are a trip this year! i can’t tell if they are the a contender or the 2011 marlins. i’d be crazy excited if i were you, but i also wouldn’t be surprised if they flame out in a blaze of glory (although without ozzie guillen it just can’t be as much fun…)

  100. Against All Odds December 22nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Hey mills

  101. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    YS, I’m glad Ozzie is gone with Yunel and Ferrell!!!!!

  102. jacksquat December 22nd, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    Maybe we’re looking at Travis Hafner or Luck Scott for DH vs rhp.

    Please no Luke Scott. Don’t like that guy.

  103. tucker December 22nd, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    All we know is that attendance has been down since 2009 and ratings were down last year. The Yanks splurged before the 2009 season with Tex, CC and AJ, and the team was aggressive at the trade deadline also (Hairston and Hinske). Now part of the attendance boom that year probably had to do with the opening of the new Stadium.

    What has happened since? The team has become markedly more conservative both in signing free agent hitters and international free agents. Has that made the team less exciting? Maybe. I think there were large stretches last year where the team played a boring brand of baseball despite the success. That is just my perception. Another fan may have another take.

    I will always follow the team regardless of how they do. Whether it’s Mick the Quick, Jerry Mumphrey or Bernie in centerfield, the Yanks are my team and I will follow them. Though I think the team risks losing the time, attention and money of the casual fan. That will be particularly true if the team no longer contends for the AL East title.

    The Yankees brand is not a guarantee that attendance, ratings and revenue will automatically increase.

  104. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    building around bautista and encarnacion is solid, but melky, rasmus, lawrie, bonafacio, j. johnson, morrow and romero all can go ‘either way’.

    reyes can go either way, if they are winning, he’s great, if they are losing you can’t find him.

    they have the most talent in the a.l. east but can they put it together….

    exciting times at sky…er…rogers center!

  105. Bo knows December 22nd, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Schultz with another two goals – the anti MacInnes. A good accurate wrist shot from the point – equals success. What a revelation.

  106. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Hi, Against! Keep listening to that, Phil Collins, ” Brand X ” ( Genesis, too )

  107. austinmac December 22nd, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    Do not bad mouth a MacInnes please.

  108. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:42 pm

    To me,…the effing skye dome, Amie.

  109. Bo knows December 22nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Do not bad mouth a MacInnes please.
    ————
    Every family has these.

    This was a hockey player from Newfoundland who could shoot the puck over a hundred miles an hour. Full value

    Besides. an anti MacInnes rolls off the tongue. Onomatopo and all that.

  110. The Return of Stoneburner December 22nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Towers told Gilbert and others that his phone “blew up” with teams calling about his spare outfielders today (all Twitter links). Ownership has given him the okay to open the season with all of their current outfielders, which would mean an Opening Day payroll in the $95MM range.

    Jason Kubel is much more likely to be traded than Justin Upton, says Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter). ESPN’s Buster Olney speculates that the Rangers, Yankees, Mariners, and Rays could be fits for Kubel (all Twitter links).

    Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers said he wanted to find more playing time for Gerardo Parra earlier this offseason, and Piecoro points out that the Ross addition complicates that plan even if they make a trade (Twitter link).

    Adam Rubin of ESPN New York asked Scott Hairston if he’s any closer to signing following the Ross deal, and the free agent outfielder said it’s still unclear (Twitter link).

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#BsRwDFcfia2AbUzW.99

  111. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm

    jmills, at least you only had to put up with a name-change. i had to endure the 1975 redo which put this boring modern upper-deck without a frieze on the top of the greatest baseball stadium ever built (sorry chicago) and after getting used to that, they tore down the (modified) cathedral and built a soulless ‘entertainment complex’ which caters to people lacking the attention span required to follow a baseball game.

    yeesh….

  112. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Welcome to the jungle! :)

  113. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    all GM’s lie all the time about what they are going to do. if what they are going to do is plastered all over the internet, its even more likely that they are lying.

  114. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    YS, nobody should have done that!

  115. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm

    YS, I understand when you say ” unfortunately ” I will never be in Yankee Stadium ” – thing is, with good people like u, I’ll get there anyways! :) Hotel California

  116. yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Bo Knows, Mesa’s definitely got bat speed, along with that hole-y swing of his. World Jrs. are the best hockey anyway.

    Hi jmills, hold tight; we’re in for nasty weather.

  117. Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    the crazy thing is there are probably alot of long dead poeple who would have said, “the put up this monstrosity that replaced good ol’ hilltop park…..(but probably not….)

    the cycle of life….

  118. 98NYY December 22nd, 2012 at 11:16 pm

    Looks like Ibanez is happy with past playoff memories…thanks for what you did in trying to get Yanks to WS.

  119. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    YF, ” Hold Tight ” is a great Red Ryder song off the Neruda album.

  120. austinmac December 22nd, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Bo,

    I don’t know if you see it, but MTU and I dream of Wells Park from time to time.

  121. austinmac December 22nd, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    That’s not the name. Wells Gray.

  122. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    ” ..’Cause I miss you ! ” – I hate xmas, but, I get to see my daughter!!!

  123. Against All Odds December 22nd, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
    Hi, Against! Keep listening to that, Phil Collins, ” Brand X ” ( Genesis, too )

    ————————

    No problem I will :)

  124. jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Hi Against, Phil did great drum work. Bill Bruford and Chester Thompson ” filled ” in with Peter Gabriel no longer up front.

  125. yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    jmills, hopefully named in honor of Pablo… Enjoy your visit with your daughter!

    Pruf, I will be stunned if we stand pat. Nail down the prospects.

    YS, OYS, NYS ain’t.

  126. Shame Spencer December 23rd, 2012 at 12:07 am

    Oh this train… oh this train…..

  127. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2012 at 12:12 am

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    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....,_1913.jpg

  128. jacksquat December 23rd, 2012 at 12:27 am

    Another thing about that picture, try to spot someone not wearing a hat.

  129. BD (Boston Dave) December 23rd, 2012 at 12:38 am

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweets.....l-30-teams

  130. CompassRosy December 23rd, 2012 at 12:46 am

    @RealKingFelix: I welcome back to my brother Raul who taught me to be a better player

    ~
    Ah….

  131. NYY_Girl_Penny December 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 am

    Yankees have been boring since 2010 when our 3 & 4 fell off and continue to decline. Last year was the worst because everybody was swinging for the fences every AB, somehow this team forgot how to play baseball and thing AB = HR attempt. its a bad time to be a yankees fan and when people say i’ll follow them no matter what, I laugh because so far the yanks have raised ticket prices, ousted the cheap ticket carrier, signed nobody and told their fans to go stuff it, we’ll do whatever we want and you’ll just have to eat it.. yep, their’s fans that will just about eat anything and thank them for it. im about whats on field, but when your moron owners create morons on the field, well im not gonna say, “i’ll be there no matter what”.. no thanks I’m not a gullible sheep.

  132. Duh Innings II December 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 am

    Another loser who cares more about money than winning which Ibanez will be part of very little of with Seattle who traded away their #2 starter Jason Vargas and will trade King Felix sometime in 2013 or 2014.

    If I was 40 and still without a World Series ring like Ibanez, I would offer to play for the veteran mil.

    ‘Hope that $2.75M base plus $1.25M in incentives was worth it and enjoy last place and 100+ losses, Raul.

    His re-signing with that perennial last-place loser is a blessing in disguise, actually. Now we get to see what Nunez can do with the bat in a full season. I think Nunez could post .280/.350/.450/.800/14 HR/70 RBI/40 2B/10 3B/50 SB if given 600 PA which would be great production for less than $700K as he made only $523,800 in 2012.

  133. PacoDooley December 23rd, 2012 at 5:26 am

    Duh Innings II December 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 am
    Another loser who cares more about money than winning which Ibanez will be part of very little of with Seattle who traded away their #2 starter Jason Vargas and will trade King Felix sometime in 2013 or 2014.
    —————————–

    Personally, I am thrilled that he is gone. He had little value and if it weren’t for a few memorable HRs late in the season he would have been remembered as a failure.

  134. Duh Innings II December 23rd, 2012 at 7:03 am

    I’m thrilled he’s gone, too, in that I seriously doubt he would replicate or better his 2012 overall.

    Nunez doesn’t have power but say he smacked 10 HR. That’s only 5 less than Jesus Montero hit in 2012. I think Nunez will a better BA and OBP hitter who will hit more doubles and triples than Montero and I would not be surprised if he drove in as many runs as or more runs than Montero in 2013. He will definitely steal more bases, draw more walks, and strike out far less than Montero.

    I am rooting for Nunez big time. Gimme a 2010 Jeter season with way more SB.

    Speaking of Montero, he or Smoak is off the Mariners because only one can be the DH since Morales is the 1B now, Montero has zero experience as a 1B and very little MLB experience at C, and no way is Montero replacing near .400 OBP in 2012 Jaso behind the plate.

    How ’bout Teixiera and half his remaining salary ($45M) to the Ms for Smoak and Montero? Teixiera becomes the Ms veteran Gold Glove 1B for only $11.25M a year 2013-16, Morales the DH/backup 1B. The Yanks clear $45M and get young, cheap, promising players at 1B (Smoak) and DH/third-string C (Montero.) CC, A-Rod and Ichiro would be the only Yankees signed to guaranteed money contracts beyond 2013.

    If Cano and Jeter were re-signed,and A-Rod retired, was traded (along with 70% of his remaining salary), or benched if he refuses a trade, a buyout, or retirement, the 2014 Yanks starting nine could be 100% homegrown like this:

    C – Romine
    1B – Montero (Smoak is the insurance 1B/DH or traded)
    2B – Cano
    3B – David Adams
    SS – Jeter
    LF – Ronnier Mustelier
    CF – Gardner
    RF – Tyler Austin
    DH – Nunez

  135. The Return of Stoneburner December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 am

    You know that Yankees team so many of their fans screamed for last season, one less reliant on homers and more capable of building runs with items such as sacrifices and speed?

    Well, be careful what you wish for …

    I wonder if the same folks who were so full throated against the Yankees’ homer-centric offense of 2012 represent the majority of those now demanding an open-wallet policy to obtain players who, well, hit home runs.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....OSFrmG9dtJ

    Yup – sounds about right – - – -

  136. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Good morning-

    Interesting article from NoMaas.org on the DH position and Ibanez. Attaching small blurb and article.

    “Ibanez was worth about 1 win above replacement last year. He’s not going to blaze past that as he turns 41 next year, so the front office really should not spend more than $5 mil on a one year contract to retain his services. Ibanez’s career .362 wOBA vs RHPs is respectable, though his true talent level is surely below that now: .353 wOBA vs RHPs in 2010, .323 wOBA in 2011, .343 wOBA in 2012. He’s worse than useless against southpaws: 255 wOBA vs LHPs in 2011, .223 wOBA in 2012.

    His above-average UZR defense (+4.0) last year looks like a fluke, and wouldn’t be of use anyway with the all-lefty OF the Yanks have signed up. Ibanez made his way into Yankee lore in October, but let’s realize that, at best, he’s only going to be a decent and one-dimensional player going forward.

    But if the Yankees are committed to signing really old guys to cheapo deals (and they are!), they might consider broadening their horizons a bit, instead of fixating on Ibanez as the final piece of the puzzle. A couple of players they should look at are Jim Thome and Lance Berkman.”

    http://nomaas.org/2012/12/more.....ons-at-dh/
    ————————

    Makes good points about Thome and Berkman, if healthy, to produce more until ARod comes back, but I don’t agree that either will help.

    Thoughts? Resigning Ibanez was not my idea of re-energizing the fan base.

  137. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Stone-

    Thanks for including the Sherman article-
    “The shortest distance from pitchers and catchers to a parade is to build a team that thrives at home. For the Yankees that means hitting homers — lots of them. And at this moment 112 homers have walked out the door or toward an operating room in Nick Swisher, Russell Martin, Raul Ibanez, Eric Chavez, Andruw Jones and Alex Rodriguez.”

    Enjoyed it and the comparisons to the SF Giants!

  138. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 7:36 am

    From the NoMaas.org previous article on Ibanez [Voldemort]-photos.

    http://nomaas.org/2012/12/so-long-voldemort/

  139. Rich in NJ December 23rd, 2012 at 7:36 am

    Ibanez: (I preferred keeping Maxwell, btw)

    2012

    v. L: .197/.246/.246/.492
    Away: .208/.269/.365/.634

    DFA’able if not playing in YS, where he raked: .273 /.349/.545/.895 (I can’t see him putting up anything close in Safeco)

    Thanks for the few crazy big HR, Rauuul, but it was time to move on as he enters his age 41 season.

    Martin: (just not that good overall)

    He hasn’t had an OPS+ above 95 since 2008. His defense is good, not great.

    2012

    v. R: .205/.290/.352/.643
    v. L: .226/.356/.524/.880

    He could be pretty effective if he was basically used in a platoon, or maybe he gets worn out, and playing 40 or so less games would benefit him.

    Overall from 2009-2012

    .236/.334/.368/.701

    A significant drop from the hitter he was from 2006-2008:

    .285/.373/.433/.806

    So I didn’t think that the current version of Martin was good enough to warrant tying up any of the limited 2014 payroll space if austerity is truly the plan.

    But that was until they gave Ichiro a second season.

    If there is any extra payroll space in 2014, I think Hughes is the priority (apart from Cano, if they aren’t going to trade him) not Martin or Ichiro, BUT if the choice is between Ichiro or Martin, I will take the catcher entering his age 31 season over the RF entering his age 39 season. To me, it’s not even close.

    Anyway, Merry Christmas to everyone (or whatever you celebrate).

  140. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 7:42 am

    Rich-

    Good morning and Happy Holidays.

    I looked at Justin Maxwell’s numbers last season. It;s only his first season of production vs lefties but it mirrored closely the production the Mets got vs lefties with Scott Hairston this past season.

    Maybe the Yankees and Astros can work out a trade?

  141. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 7:51 am

    If the Nats resign LaRoche, which us rumored to be in the works, then they might make Michael Morse awailable. I’m not even sure what the Nationals even need now, as they have beefed up their lineup and pitching.

    Rather than one year of FA to be Morse, I hope Cashman is now making one last concerted effort to obtain Justin Upton from the now outfield rich Diamondbacks and his longtime friend, Kevin Towers.

  142. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 7:52 am

    A rich sighting !

  143. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 7:54 am

    A rich sighting ! Merry christmas

  144. Ys Guy December 23rd, 2012 at 7:55 am

    happy merry rich!

  145. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 7:56 am

    If the Nats resign LaRoche, which us rumored to be in the works, then they might make Michael Morse awailable”

    I think they absolutely will if they sign Laroche…. There is really nowhere for morse to play .

    My guess is they’d target starting pitching and bullpen help in addition to just various prospects…..they don’t have a hole in the rotation with the Haren signing but he is only signed for a year and is a big injury risk.

  146. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Blake-

    Good morning and Happy Holidays to you and your family.

    Morse will be sought after by teams that could provide the Nats with starting pitching and bullpen help-the Braves for instance.

    While not the leadoff hitter they really want for their OF, Michael Morse will balance out their lefty power they get from Heyward, Freeman and the recuperating, McCann.

  147. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:06 am

    I attached this NoMaas.org article on Ibanez earlier. For your enjoyment and thoughts:

    http://nomaas.org/2012/12/more.....ons-at-dh/

  148. Shame Spencer December 23rd, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Rich!

    Those Voldemort/Ibanez pictures are unnerving. Could Voldemort DH??

  149. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 8:11 am

    Merry Christmas and happy holidays trader ….

    Yea the braves could pursue Morse too….but he’s a pretty bad outfielder and doesn’t fit as well as a full time LFer as he would as a DH and platoon RFer for the Yankees IMO.

    Also….I don’t think the braves would trade anybod their good pitchers for him…maybe Delgado

    I think it’s a great for for the Yanks if/ when he becomes available if they can get him without giving too much.

    You make him the primary DH and play him in RF against lefties when you wanna give Jeter or Nunez or whoever a DH day.

  150. JoeyVegas December 23rd, 2012 at 8:16 am

    I suspect a trade for Parra or Kubel or Morse is in the works if the Yanks told Raul to move on. It certainly seems like he was waiting on them. I’m also starting to wonder if Swisher might come crawling back on a one year deal… Seems like he’s not happy about his options (or option at this point.)

  151. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:17 am

    Blake-

    So trade for FA to be -Morse, and let him walk after next season, since the Yankees have added another GCL minor league club for all the compensatory picks thay will receive in the near future! :)

    Shame-

    Glad you enjoyed the uncanny resemblance to Voldemort.

  152. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Good morning.

    I look forward to the 2015 season.

    When the fruit will be ripe and the money flows like wine.

    :)

  153. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Swisher seems to want to be in LA or NY. Looks like he’s not going to get a BJ Upton 5/75 contract, but a Pagan/Victorino 13M contract with one extra year. Far cry from what he was rumored to get on the FA market, or his agent thought he might get.

  154. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Please buy my new book.

    It’s titled “Yankees in Transition”.

    :)

  155. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Or

    “2015- A baseball Odyssey”

    ;)

  156. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 8:25 am

    “So trade for FA to be -Morse, and let him walk after next season, since the Yankees have added another GCL minor league club for all the compensatory picks thay will receive in the near future! ”

    That’d be a good plan yes

  157. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:26 am

    MTU-

    Not so sure the Steinbrenner’s won’t want the extra payoff by staying the course until the expiration of the CBA agreement at the end of 2016. Hopefully the Yankees will have a new owner by then.

  158. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Id love to have Swisher back for a year….but if he has a 4 year deal on the table from Cleveland then he probably should take it…..it’s unlikely his market will be any better a year from now

  159. austinmac December 23rd, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Those who criticized the all homer team likely visualized a team with a better batting average to compensate. That isn’t happening either. They have Youkilis of the .235 average and Nunez as DH, presumably against all ptitching, who will hit around .260, if I had to guess.

    They are likely down 100 runs, if not more.

  160. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:29 am

    Blake-

    I’m not even sure the spenthrift Yankees will give guys like Granderson, Morse, Hughes the 2013 version of the qualifyong offer which will probably be more than the 13.6M, I believe, it was this offseason.

  161. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:30 am

    I’ll give you this.

    Some of you just don’t give up.

    You want Morse, or Kubel, Maxwell, etc.

    And I think what you’re likely to get is bupkus.

    But thanks for keeping the fires burning.

    ;)

  162. austinmac December 23rd, 2012 at 8:31 am

    This does not look like one last all in effort. With Nix and Nunez, they have eleven positional players on the 25 man roster. As I said in October, they need offense. Now, they need it more.

  163. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:31 am

    *spendthrift and qualifying*

  164. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 8:32 am

    “I’m not even sure the spenthrift Yankees will give guys like Granderson, Morse, Hughes the 2013 version of the qualifyong offer which will probably be more than the 13.6M, I believe, it was this offseason.”

    I think they’ll have to be careful yea….but I wouldn’t predict any of those guys to take it if they have good seasons in 2013…..

  165. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Mac-

    “Those who criticized the all homer team likely visualized a team with a better batting average to compensate.”

    Precisely. I envised younger guys too.

    Guys like an Upton.

    Jump in the Time Machine w me and we’ll set it for 4/1/2015, or we can just go to my private Island to wait it out.

    or even spend the Summer exploring Wells-Gray.

    :)

  166. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:35 am

    MTU-

    I want what you want and now more than ever, is a distinct possibility, now to be offered in trade.

    Yes-Justin Upton.

    Cashman needs to work with his friend Towers and make it happen- even if they have to engage in a three-way! Oops that sounded bad! :)

  167. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:37 am

    YT-

    I’d like to think Cashman made the max. effort to secure him but I kinda doubt it.

    ;)

  168. austinmac December 23rd, 2012 at 8:39 am

    MTU,

    I am setting my time machine to stop at the time we have new ownership. I do not believe 2015 will be a wallet opening time.

    Can Yvette Mimeaux be there?

  169. bobharrah December 23rd, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Seems to me, this gives a legit shot to Chris Dickerson, sort of a forgotten left handed batting outfielder. Not only can Dickerson play the outfield as well or better than Ibanez, but is younger. He can DH against right handers, or pinch hit with decent power. So all the Yankess nedd now, is a right handed batting cheap short term platoon outfielder, which is NOT a rare commodity. That is, if you believe in the GM’s catching decision.

  170. austinmac December 23rd, 2012 at 8:43 am

    An above average right handed hitting outfielder is hard to find when you won’t pay him.

    I have predicted for a couple months February left overs is the way they will go. The holiday remnants are pretty rancid by then.

    Upton has a contract for a few more years. Do we know if that would automatically exclude him from consideration? I think it might.

  171. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Dickerson and Mustelier for home grown with Nunez getting DH at bats.

  172. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Mac-

    Perhaps you are right but that is the earliest possible time so I’m setting it for that.

    Yes. Yvette can be there. Or if you like, I can substitue Barabara Eden, Ursula Andress, or Bardot.

    Just let me know.

    ;)

  173. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 8:45 am

    If the Yankees want to go for it in 2013 …..then they need more than another platoon bat….they need a realm threat from the right side that can hit righties and lefties and one that can play the corners on the outfield some…..they need this especially if they have decided to go with zero offense at catcher.

    Morse could put this team much closer to being a title contender IMO

  174. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:46 am

    More rookies might play in 2014 than 2013 the way it looks.

    But keep in mind the Yankees generally do not trust their youngsters.

    Maybe things are gonna abe different now out of necessity ?

    Who knows. I’ll believe when I see it.

    ;)

  175. austinmac December 23rd, 2012 at 8:47 am

    If they will all be waiting, I’m hopping on the time machine even if the Yankees bring on Braun, Trout and Harper. :)

  176. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:49 am

    Mac and MTU-

    Which version of those lovely ladies do you want waiting for you when the time machine makes it way to 2015?

    Maybe best to go back to the 1961 year when these group of Yankees generated some true excitement.

    http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....#038;t=NYA

  177. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 8:50 am

    I would think the Smoak era in Seattle is over now…..

  178. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Mac-

    You have good taste.

    ;)

  179. austinmac December 23rd, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Blake,

    Going for it means putting a team on the field they can tell the fans will be competitive.

    I predict, for the record a 10% or more, decline in attendance this year. I further believe they will more likely be sellers at the TD than buyers.

    I like Nunez, but his bat is good for a middle infielder. Not a DH. Dickerson will be the 4th left handed hitting outfielder. Don’t think so. Mesa?

  180. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Blake-

    It was Smoak and mirrors anyway.

    ;)

  181. austinmac December 23rd, 2012 at 8:55 am

    YT,

    1961 would be a fabulous destination. When your third string catcher and outfielder, hits 21 homers, you have a pretty good team. That was a great year to be a child baseball fan.

  182. MTU December 23rd, 2012 at 8:57 am

    YT-

    That would work. I was just tyring to look forward instead.

  183. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Mac,

    They keep proving me wrong this winter……but letting Inanez go doesn’t really jive with their go cheap and status quo plan……they still have no DH.

    Gotta think they are gonna do something to add a legit bat….but as I said …they’ve been proving me wrong all winter.

    If available then Morse just makes too much sense….

  184. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Blake-

    Ibanez apparently will play the OF. After al,l the fences are in 17′ in left center and 4′ in right-so less ground to cover. Morales at 1st. Montero primary catcher, and Smoak if not traded sharing DH with Morales?

  185. blake December 23rd, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Morse career vs RHP .292 with an .830 OPS
    Vs LHP .303 with an .860 Ops

    Was a .900 OpS bat with 30 homers in 2011 when he was healthy

    He’d make the lineup significantly better and more balanced and you wouldn’t have to platoon him….one year comittment…..perfect

  186. Yankee Trader December 23rd, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Austinmac-

    Johnny Blanchard was one of my favorite players on that team. I met Clete Boyer a few years before he died and he gave me a signed photo of him with Mantle and Maris. George Clooney is the spitting image of a young Clete Boyer. Boyer was every bit the equal of Brooks Robinson with the glove.

    This photo:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROGER-.....0757408131

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