So much for that: Ibanez heading back to Seattle
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 22, 2012 
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Raul Ibanez is heading back to familiar territory, but not with the Yankees.
According to Sweeny Murti and Ken Rosenthal, Ibanez has agreed to a one-year deal with the Mariners, the team that originally drafted him and gave him his first chance in the big leagues.
The Yankees were known to be interested in re-signing Ibanez — Brian Cashman had admitted to having conversations with his agent — but reports this week indicated that Seattle was interested and Ibanez was itching to make a decision. He will almost certainly settle into an outfield role with the Mariners, who already have the DH spot covered in the wake of this week’s Kendrys Morales trade. The Mariners outfield is a spot of weakness.
As for the Yankees, Ibanez would not have been a perfect fit — they certainly don’t need additional left-handed outfield depth – but he did seem to be one of the better options on the free agent market. Losing out on Ibanez leaves the Yankees DH spot wide open.
good by raul, thank you and best of luck against everyone except the Yankees!
found this on wiki”:In a poll of 290 Major League players by Sports Illustrated, Ibáñez was voted the second nicest major league player, after Jim Thome.”
‘Frees up” about $1,100,000 ?
Who’s available for that amount (or probably less) ?
Mick wants the nicest.
Mick, I’ve got the Allman Brothers live at the Fillmore East. ( On,….lP )
Nunez to fulltime DH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q10-BBOLK0
dickey betts jmills
jmills u had me confused!
Thanks for someone wonderful October memories Raul – - – -
Thanks Raul. You gave us a good many thrills. Good luck next year.
errr – some – - – - -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9dh9regbjo
Highway Call
Raul was a gamer, good luck buddy, thanks for the memories….
NYYROC,…nobody had u confused!
Mick,….I bet Dickey!
I can’t wait to hear Cashman’s favorite line this off season….the Yanks never made an offer to Ibanez. I don’t think Hal is going to snap out of it until he sees all of the empty seats next year. Maybe then he will realize that people won’t come if he won’t continue to put a good team on the field. There were a ton of empty seats during the post season and it will continue until the organization figures out a real plan.
yanks are either daring or stupid…i can see thome and shoppach
Raul’s clutch gene will be missed, but the Yanks really didn’t need another LH bat. Add a RH/DH type and give Dickerson a shot also.
I guess they couldn’t afford $4m for a DH…
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According to major league source, Raul Ibanez gets $2,750,000 base plus up to 1,250,000 in performance bonuses from Seattle.
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DanBarbarisi According to major league source, Raul Ibanez gets $2,750,000 base plus up to 1,250,000 in performance bonuses from Seattle.
Now we know why he left….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f08wgk3SeHE
http://www.youtube.com/embed/l.....#038;rel=0
I wish Ibanez all the best. I really wish he was coming back
I no longer know or guess what type of team the Tankees are trying to put together. This gut gave the Yankees everything he had and they did not move fast enough on
Him. What are they waiting for? Babe and JoebD are long gone.
Dickey on One Way Out
check it mills
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3YzN2zflIo
doreen are you drunk?
Cashman still thinks he can wait out players he wants. It’s not that type of market this year unfortunately.
Oops Did not mean to type Tankees. Freudian slip or too much wine with dinner? You decide. Or was it the horrible iPhone keyboard AND too much wine with dinner?
i guess hal wants situational hitters..
i like raul, i saw him in kansas city way back and always liked him. last ST when everybody was hating on him i maintained that he would be fine and would win people over.
BUT…nothing against anyone on last year’s team but the more they change the roster around, the better, imo. the yankees have way too many guys over 35 and while im a raul fan im glad they took a pass on him.
bring in some new blood, please…
Mick it sure might look that way. It’s the dang iPhone keyboard.
the reality is there are tons of revenue streams — hal doesn’t need us to show up to make money.
i know it’s not my money, but $4M?
thome will play for 1/2 of that…
make it a 1/4
Mick, the Allman Brothers rock,….no doubt, Gwen Steffani. ( Or, whatever her name is Anne and Nancy Wilson! )
I’m all for new blood, but unless it’s a trade, the rest of the free agent market is either demanding a multi year deal or a downgrade.
The roster, counting Nix and Nunez, looks like eleven players for next year. Either two non-catching rookies play or they add old and cheap. I’d prefer the rookies.
i don’t buy this idea that there’s a bottomless pit of money. as a buisness venture, while there are large profits to be had, there is also a humongous pile of money invested in the franchise and if it’s not returning a handsome profit then the family could and probably should think about ways to maximize their profit elsewhere.
that’s just the way capital works. the Yankees are not a public trust or a not-for profit organization. if the margins were as huge as people on this blog suggest, then the price of a franchise would be even higher than it has reached to this point.
the more rookies the better imo.
http://r9—sn-tt17rn7l.c......_counter=1
Next off season should be even better
the more rookies the better imo.
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That worked well in 2008
worked well in 1995
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....PEXeCofiRt
wang dang doodle….mills
Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:18 pm
worked well in 1995
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That was a perfect storm Ys. How many things like that or similar happen to the same organization twice. Switching sports for a sec. the Bulls still haven’t drafted a player even 50% of MJ
There is no bottomless pit of revenue, I agree. And Hal will discover over the next two years that there are no guarantees revenue will continue to go up. Not counting the TV deal that benefits all team’s, I suspect the Yankee’s revenue (at least the streams controlled by the team) will in fact go down, or at least stay flat.
If you are a technology company, you do not cut R&D. If you are an entertainment concern, you don’t skimp on talent.
that ‘perfect storm’ can only happen if you allow room for the rookies to come up.
nobody in the world could have predicted what would happen with the ‘secret weapon’, but there was a space for him in the bronx and he turned into mariano rivera.
Since it seems Hal doesn’t want to spend any more money, use your minor league guys to fill your holes.
Et tu, Raul?
O.K., Mick, we’re gonna’ play Rush all night long!…..lucky u!!!
If only Melky Mesa could hit breaking balls?
Ibanez hit some Huge homers … But he was pretty bad for large parts if the season and he’s just another year older ….. We can hope they are holding the spot for somebody better….. But I won’t get my hopes uo
if you think the yankees don’t have people calculating the #’s and working out expected revenues for the next decade or two you are crazy. perhaps you have forgotten that they have assumed almost the entire cost of the soulless revenue generating machine they have build to replace the cathedral of baseball…
the market sets valuations and equity and believe me, the yankees know every day exactly where they stand financially.
Hi YF! – us idiots staying up! Talking Heads is / are great – Rush convec about them a lot! Alex Lifeson said his favourite band is , ” Ultravox “. ( He loves the Police and Sting, too! )
check this classic mills:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=audxGqo5AkQ
yankeefeminista December 22nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
If only Melky Mesa could hit breaking balls?
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The real Melky can
Shoulda signed him. My guess is, a deal’s coming.
Canned Heat – perfect!!!!!
on the road again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF0LLfm2bns
I for one, see Ibanez signing as a win for both Cashman and Ibanez. Cashman got some decent one year service at a cheap price. A lefty power stroke at YS might be successful? Oh Yeah. Can the Yankees gamble that Ibanez doesn’t turn into another Jones at that price? No, you can assign at the one mil mark, four mil not so much. Next…
Ibanez parlayed a couple of streaks into another potential four mil with an offense challenged team. Where’s the beef?
Alfred,…..I told u to get off my blog my tres friend! ( My, fried fiend! )
said hey you get off a my cloud…
classic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QuHqjnfpLE
The market does set valuations, yes. And we’ll see where the market takes the Yanks over the next two years.
The market began to speak last two years with declining attendance and ratings. And that was with the team in the playoffs.
” Hey, hey, you, you, get off of my cloud! “
If only Melky Mesa could hit breaking balls?
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If only Melky Mesa didn’t do a Bo Jangles in every at bat. He doesn’t have time to react to a breaking ball. He must have incredible talent to be able to square up to the ball occasionally from all those moving parts. Everytime I see his at bats I cringe. Cano – economy of motion and Mesa. The pain.
what exactly did the market say, though? did the market say that the yankees had no chance to win the WS or did it say that a team constructed of ‘old pros’ with no youth no young potential and no excitement is boring even if it’s contending for a WS title?
jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Alfred,…..I told u to get off my blog my tres friend! ( My, fried fiend! )
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mr mills, I grew nostalgic for your 60-watt lighted imagination
” What a drag it is to get up “
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4
one of the greatest of all time
Alfred,…I have underappreciated bulbs over here!
hal is responding to those who prayed for situational hitting while satisfying his need to not spend money…get thome and shoppach for what raul wanted…BOGO
Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:27 pm
that ‘perfect storm’ can only happen if you allow room for the rookies to come up.
nobody in the world could have predicted what would happen with the ‘secret weapon’, but there was a space for him in the bronx and he turned into mariano rivera.
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But you can give the rookies a shot and they can still fail. JF said it best you want to work the kids in over time not throw them to the wolves. They are depending on these kids to save the day not blend in.
for the uninformed BOGO means buy one get one free….
of course rookies can fail that is exactly the excitement of having rookies on the team. if you knew they were sure things and they’d come through exactly as projected, there would be no excitement.
Re Maxwell – Back when – we spent a whole mess of time on RAB putting up posts on stealing Maxwell from the Nationals, all the signs were there. Much later, when the Yankees got Maxwell, there was jubilation in the land. Errk. Doesn’t feel better that he had a good year for Houston. All the luck = bad.
well, jf has never been wrong, as he reminds us constantly, so i guess i have to apologize for rooting for young guys to step up and excel…
hal is responding to those who prayed for situational hitting
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and to those who wanted to get younger
Hi , Bo Knows! Let’s get this Gilles Villeneuve thing happening fast!!!!!
this actually opens the DH up for Jeter with Nunez to SS.
Gada Da Vida Mills…..
tucker December 22nd, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Raul’s clutch gene will be missed, but the Yanks really didn’t need another LH bat. Add a RH/DH type and give Dickerson a shot also.
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The LH bats are in the OF, who do you propose DH’s vs rhp? Still missing that. Now I would say you could use Dickerson, with one of the 4 lefthanded OF being the dh (rotate for rest), but somehow I can’t imagine the Yankees relying on that solution headed into spring training. I think they want an Ibanez but they want him for 1 mil to fit in Hal’s budget limit. Good luck with that.
Jeter can be a DH like Molitar and Winfield, why not?
@mlbtraderumors: Nationals & LaRoche Inching Towards New Contract http://t.co/YN7oO5k9 #mlb
Trade for morse
In a gada da da vida baby!
mills iron butterfly one hit wonder?
jmills
I’m watching crappy feeds ie Shultz and Marincin – from OKC. After all my misspent youth spent with hockey players, I should have maintained the last boycott. But Mactavish hockey finally ran it’s course and slowly I got suckered in with Renney.
Hockey players – despair.
Whom the Gods would destroy….
so i lost track of blog fave johnny damon last year. did anyone pick him up after he was dfa’d by the indians? did he retire?
Mick, I don’t think so and definitely include them in.
Bo, I have had enough of the lockout! Fire all of them!!!
so im not a hockey fan, but i have an observation that i think might explain what’s going on in the nhl, maybe im crazy…
the ‘old teams’ (the original 6 plus the big markets they added in the 60′s and 70′s) kept approving expansions (to markets that dont really give a crap about hockey) so they could rake in some huge checks…and now there are so many of these crappy teams in crappy markets losing tons of money that they are able to outvote the financially sound teams in league matters and are the ones supporting this lockout, while the ‘original’ (money making) franchises lose out.
Can’t wait until we sign Giambi….Only kidding…Please no Giambi.
jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Jeter can be a DH like Molitar and Winfield, why not?
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I can’t see 1. Jeter agreeing to become full time DH nor 2. them giving Nunez the full time job at SS.
YS, you’re on to something!
The Giambino! Ha, that would be funny, but never gonna happen. He doesn’t fit the apparent image of a Yankee. Too scruffy.
Jacksquat – Jeter should be happy at this point. No shame in being a Paul Molitar D.H..
@jnorris427: RT @Dejan_Kovacevic: Another name coming to #Pirates is reliever Mark Melancon, owner of 6-plus ERA last season. / Former Thunder.
Ys Guy December 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
of course rookies can fail that is exactly the excitement of having rookies on the team. if you knew they were sure things and they’d come through exactly as projected, there would be no excitement.
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True and I like watching young my point is they shouldn’t just throw them out there in 14.
you wanna talk about cheap….take the rockies….they are sooooo cheap that they thought about making giambi the manager so they could basically pay him his salary to be both a player and the manager, thus elimiating the manager’s salary.
that didnt work out (giambi probably asked for a single room on road trips) so they signed the manager of the colorado high school 5a championship team, walt wiess, to be their manager(for an undislosed amount).
YS and Against, Go Jays Go!
young kids*
Hockey players are pure jocks. Read and react, true. Life was so good, they were graduating to the high maintenance eye candy. Serious stuff. Fehr is a megalomaniac that was run out of other sports. Recipe for disaster.
The league needs 50% split to survive in its present form. The owners thought they had a deal, Fehr did a mini squeeze just to show off, a one up, playing to the troops. The players are being played by sleaze and they’re reverting to the gronk stage. So, we have this posturing and playing to the public. Gaah.
It wouldn’t be so bad, if I didn’t know them up close and personal.
jmills the jays are a trip this year! i can’t tell if they are the a contender or the 2011 marlins. i’d be crazy excited if i were you, but i also wouldn’t be surprised if they flame out in a blaze of glory (although without ozzie guillen it just can’t be as much fun…)
Hey mills
YS, I’m glad Ozzie is gone with Yunel and Ferrell!!!!!
Maybe we’re looking at Travis Hafner or Luck Scott for DH vs rhp.
Please no Luke Scott. Don’t like that guy.
All we know is that attendance has been down since 2009 and ratings were down last year. The Yanks splurged before the 2009 season with Tex, CC and AJ, and the team was aggressive at the trade deadline also (Hairston and Hinske). Now part of the attendance boom that year probably had to do with the opening of the new Stadium.
What has happened since? The team has become markedly more conservative both in signing free agent hitters and international free agents. Has that made the team less exciting? Maybe. I think there were large stretches last year where the team played a boring brand of baseball despite the success. That is just my perception. Another fan may have another take.
I will always follow the team regardless of how they do. Whether it’s Mick the Quick, Jerry Mumphrey or Bernie in centerfield, the Yanks are my team and I will follow them. Though I think the team risks losing the time, attention and money of the casual fan. That will be particularly true if the team no longer contends for the AL East title.
The Yankees brand is not a guarantee that attendance, ratings and revenue will automatically increase.
building around bautista and encarnacion is solid, but melky, rasmus, lawrie, bonafacio, j. johnson, morrow and romero all can go ‘either way’.
reyes can go either way, if they are winning, he’s great, if they are losing you can’t find him.
they have the most talent in the a.l. east but can they put it together….
exciting times at sky…er…rogers center!
Schultz with another two goals – the anti MacInnes. A good accurate wrist shot from the point – equals success. What a revelation.
Hi, Against! Keep listening to that, Phil Collins, ” Brand X ” ( Genesis, too )
Do not bad mouth a MacInnes please.
To me,…the effing skye dome, Amie.
Do not bad mouth a MacInnes please.
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Every family has these.
This was a hockey player from Newfoundland who could shoot the puck over a hundred miles an hour. Full value
Besides. an anti MacInnes rolls off the tongue. Onomatopo and all that.
Towers told Gilbert and others that his phone “blew up” with teams calling about his spare outfielders today (all Twitter links). Ownership has given him the okay to open the season with all of their current outfielders, which would mean an Opening Day payroll in the $95MM range.
Jason Kubel is much more likely to be traded than Justin Upton, says Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter). ESPN’s Buster Olney speculates that the Rangers, Yankees, Mariners, and Rays could be fits for Kubel (all Twitter links).
Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers said he wanted to find more playing time for Gerardo Parra earlier this offseason, and Piecoro points out that the Ross addition complicates that plan even if they make a trade (Twitter link).
Adam Rubin of ESPN New York asked Scott Hairston if he’s any closer to signing following the Ross deal, and the free agent outfielder said it’s still unclear (Twitter link).
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#BsRwDFcfia2AbUzW.99
jmills, at least you only had to put up with a name-change. i had to endure the 1975 redo which put this boring modern upper-deck without a frieze on the top of the greatest baseball stadium ever built (sorry chicago) and after getting used to that, they tore down the (modified) cathedral and built a soulless ‘entertainment complex’ which caters to people lacking the attention span required to follow a baseball game.
yeesh….
Welcome to the jungle!
all GM’s lie all the time about what they are going to do. if what they are going to do is plastered all over the internet, its even more likely that they are lying.
YS, nobody should have done that!
YS, I understand when you say ” unfortunately ” I will never be in Yankee Stadium ” – thing is, with good people like u, I’ll get there anyways!
Hotel California
Bo Knows, Mesa’s definitely got bat speed, along with that hole-y swing of his. World Jrs. are the best hockey anyway.
Hi jmills, hold tight; we’re in for nasty weather.
the crazy thing is there are probably alot of long dead poeple who would have said, “the put up this monstrosity that replaced good ol’ hilltop park…..(but probably not….)
the cycle of life….
Looks like Ibanez is happy with past playoff memories…thanks for what you did in trying to get Yanks to WS.
YF, ” Hold Tight ” is a great Red Ryder song off the Neruda album.
Bo,
I don’t know if you see it, but MTU and I dream of Wells Park from time to time.
That’s not the name. Wells Gray.
” ..’Cause I miss you ! ” – I hate xmas, but, I get to see my daughter!!!
jmills December 22nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Hi, Against! Keep listening to that, Phil Collins, ” Brand X ” ( Genesis, too )
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No problem I will
Hi Against, Phil did great drum work. Bill Bruford and Chester Thompson ” filled ” in with Peter Gabriel no longer up front.
jmills, hopefully named in honor of Pablo… Enjoy your visit with your daughter!
Pruf, I will be stunned if we stand pat. Nail down the prospects.
YS, OYS, NYS ain’t.
Oh this train… oh this train…..
just looking at some old ballpark pictures and i’m shocked by the amount of foul ground at ebbett’s field. make the oakland-alameda county colesium seem cozy…
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....,_1913.jpg
Another thing about that picture, try to spot someone not wearing a hat.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweets.....l-30-teams
@RealKingFelix: I welcome back to my brother Raul who taught me to be a better player
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Ah….
Yankees have been boring since 2010 when our 3 & 4 fell off and continue to decline. Last year was the worst because everybody was swinging for the fences every AB, somehow this team forgot how to play baseball and thing AB = HR attempt. its a bad time to be a yankees fan and when people say i’ll follow them no matter what, I laugh because so far the yanks have raised ticket prices, ousted the cheap ticket carrier, signed nobody and told their fans to go stuff it, we’ll do whatever we want and you’ll just have to eat it.. yep, their’s fans that will just about eat anything and thank them for it. im about whats on field, but when your moron owners create morons on the field, well im not gonna say, “i’ll be there no matter what”.. no thanks I’m not a gullible sheep.
Another loser who cares more about money than winning which Ibanez will be part of very little of with Seattle who traded away their #2 starter Jason Vargas and will trade King Felix sometime in 2013 or 2014.
If I was 40 and still without a World Series ring like Ibanez, I would offer to play for the veteran mil.
‘Hope that $2.75M base plus $1.25M in incentives was worth it and enjoy last place and 100+ losses, Raul.
His re-signing with that perennial last-place loser is a blessing in disguise, actually. Now we get to see what Nunez can do with the bat in a full season. I think Nunez could post .280/.350/.450/.800/14 HR/70 RBI/40 2B/10 3B/50 SB if given 600 PA which would be great production for less than $700K as he made only $523,800 in 2012.
Duh Innings II December 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 am
Another loser who cares more about money than winning which Ibanez will be part of very little of with Seattle who traded away their #2 starter Jason Vargas and will trade King Felix sometime in 2013 or 2014.
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Personally, I am thrilled that he is gone. He had little value and if it weren’t for a few memorable HRs late in the season he would have been remembered as a failure.
I’m thrilled he’s gone, too, in that I seriously doubt he would replicate or better his 2012 overall.
Nunez doesn’t have power but say he smacked 10 HR. That’s only 5 less than Jesus Montero hit in 2012. I think Nunez will a better BA and OBP hitter who will hit more doubles and triples than Montero and I would not be surprised if he drove in as many runs as or more runs than Montero in 2013. He will definitely steal more bases, draw more walks, and strike out far less than Montero.
I am rooting for Nunez big time. Gimme a 2010 Jeter season with way more SB.
Speaking of Montero, he or Smoak is off the Mariners because only one can be the DH since Morales is the 1B now, Montero has zero experience as a 1B and very little MLB experience at C, and no way is Montero replacing near .400 OBP in 2012 Jaso behind the plate.
How ’bout Teixiera and half his remaining salary ($45M) to the Ms for Smoak and Montero? Teixiera becomes the Ms veteran Gold Glove 1B for only $11.25M a year 2013-16, Morales the DH/backup 1B. The Yanks clear $45M and get young, cheap, promising players at 1B (Smoak) and DH/third-string C (Montero.) CC, A-Rod and Ichiro would be the only Yankees signed to guaranteed money contracts beyond 2013.
If Cano and Jeter were re-signed,and A-Rod retired, was traded (along with 70% of his remaining salary), or benched if he refuses a trade, a buyout, or retirement, the 2014 Yanks starting nine could be 100% homegrown like this:
C – Romine
1B – Montero (Smoak is the insurance 1B/DH or traded)
2B – Cano
3B – David Adams
SS – Jeter
LF – Ronnier Mustelier
CF – Gardner
RF – Tyler Austin
DH – Nunez
You know that Yankees team so many of their fans screamed for last season, one less reliant on homers and more capable of building runs with items such as sacrifices and speed?
Well, be careful what you wish for …
I wonder if the same folks who were so full throated against the Yankees’ homer-centric offense of 2012 represent the majority of those now demanding an open-wallet policy to obtain players who, well, hit home runs.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....OSFrmG9dtJ
Yup – sounds about right – - – -
Good morning-
Interesting article from NoMaas.org on the DH position and Ibanez. Attaching small blurb and article.
“Ibanez was worth about 1 win above replacement last year. He’s not going to blaze past that as he turns 41 next year, so the front office really should not spend more than $5 mil on a one year contract to retain his services. Ibanez’s career .362 wOBA vs RHPs is respectable, though his true talent level is surely below that now: .353 wOBA vs RHPs in 2010, .323 wOBA in 2011, .343 wOBA in 2012. He’s worse than useless against southpaws: 255 wOBA vs LHPs in 2011, .223 wOBA in 2012.
His above-average UZR defense (+4.0) last year looks like a fluke, and wouldn’t be of use anyway with the all-lefty OF the Yanks have signed up. Ibanez made his way into Yankee lore in October, but let’s realize that, at best, he’s only going to be a decent and one-dimensional player going forward.
But if the Yankees are committed to signing really old guys to cheapo deals (and they are!), they might consider broadening their horizons a bit, instead of fixating on Ibanez as the final piece of the puzzle. A couple of players they should look at are Jim Thome and Lance Berkman.”
http://nomaas.org/2012/12/more.....ons-at-dh/
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Makes good points about Thome and Berkman, if healthy, to produce more until ARod comes back, but I don’t agree that either will help.
Thoughts? Resigning Ibanez was not my idea of re-energizing the fan base.
Stone-
Thanks for including the Sherman article-
“The shortest distance from pitchers and catchers to a parade is to build a team that thrives at home. For the Yankees that means hitting homers — lots of them. And at this moment 112 homers have walked out the door or toward an operating room in Nick Swisher, Russell Martin, Raul Ibanez, Eric Chavez, Andruw Jones and Alex Rodriguez.”
Enjoyed it and the comparisons to the SF Giants!
From the NoMaas.org previous article on Ibanez [Voldemort]-photos.
http://nomaas.org/2012/12/so-long-voldemort/
Ibanez: (I preferred keeping Maxwell, btw)
2012
v. L: .197/.246/.246/.492
Away: .208/.269/.365/.634
DFA’able if not playing in YS, where he raked: .273 /.349/.545/.895 (I can’t see him putting up anything close in Safeco)
Thanks for the few crazy big HR, Rauuul, but it was time to move on as he enters his age 41 season.
Martin: (just not that good overall)
He hasn’t had an OPS+ above 95 since 2008. His defense is good, not great.
2012
v. R: .205/.290/.352/.643
v. L: .226/.356/.524/.880
He could be pretty effective if he was basically used in a platoon, or maybe he gets worn out, and playing 40 or so less games would benefit him.
Overall from 2009-2012
.236/.334/.368/.701
A significant drop from the hitter he was from 2006-2008:
.285/.373/.433/.806
So I didn’t think that the current version of Martin was good enough to warrant tying up any of the limited 2014 payroll space if austerity is truly the plan.
But that was until they gave Ichiro a second season.
If there is any extra payroll space in 2014, I think Hughes is the priority (apart from Cano, if they aren’t going to trade him) not Martin or Ichiro, BUT if the choice is between Ichiro or Martin, I will take the catcher entering his age 31 season over the RF entering his age 39 season. To me, it’s not even close.
Anyway, Merry Christmas to everyone (or whatever you celebrate).
Rich-
Good morning and Happy Holidays.
I looked at Justin Maxwell’s numbers last season. It;s only his first season of production vs lefties but it mirrored closely the production the Mets got vs lefties with Scott Hairston this past season.
Maybe the Yankees and Astros can work out a trade?
If the Nats resign LaRoche, which us rumored to be in the works, then they might make Michael Morse awailable. I’m not even sure what the Nationals even need now, as they have beefed up their lineup and pitching.
Rather than one year of FA to be Morse, I hope Cashman is now making one last concerted effort to obtain Justin Upton from the now outfield rich Diamondbacks and his longtime friend, Kevin Towers.
A rich sighting !
A rich sighting ! Merry christmas
happy merry rich!
If the Nats resign LaRoche, which us rumored to be in the works, then they might make Michael Morse awailable”
I think they absolutely will if they sign Laroche…. There is really nowhere for morse to play .
My guess is they’d target starting pitching and bullpen help in addition to just various prospects…..they don’t have a hole in the rotation with the Haren signing but he is only signed for a year and is a big injury risk.
Blake-
Good morning and Happy Holidays to you and your family.
Morse will be sought after by teams that could provide the Nats with starting pitching and bullpen help-the Braves for instance.
While not the leadoff hitter they really want for their OF, Michael Morse will balance out their lefty power they get from Heyward, Freeman and the recuperating, McCann.
I attached this NoMaas.org article on Ibanez earlier. For your enjoyment and thoughts:
http://nomaas.org/2012/12/more.....ons-at-dh/
Rich!
Those Voldemort/Ibanez pictures are unnerving. Could Voldemort DH??
Merry Christmas and happy holidays trader ….
Yea the braves could pursue Morse too….but he’s a pretty bad outfielder and doesn’t fit as well as a full time LFer as he would as a DH and platoon RFer for the Yankees IMO.
Also….I don’t think the braves would trade anybod their good pitchers for him…maybe Delgado
I think it’s a great for for the Yanks if/ when he becomes available if they can get him without giving too much.
You make him the primary DH and play him in RF against lefties when you wanna give Jeter or Nunez or whoever a DH day.
I suspect a trade for Parra or Kubel or Morse is in the works if the Yanks told Raul to move on. It certainly seems like he was waiting on them. I’m also starting to wonder if Swisher might come crawling back on a one year deal… Seems like he’s not happy about his options (or option at this point.)
Blake-
So trade for FA to be -Morse, and let him walk after next season, since the Yankees have added another GCL minor league club for all the compensatory picks thay will receive in the near future!
Shame-
Glad you enjoyed the uncanny resemblance to Voldemort.
Good morning.
I look forward to the 2015 season.
When the fruit will be ripe and the money flows like wine.
Swisher seems to want to be in LA or NY. Looks like he’s not going to get a BJ Upton 5/75 contract, but a Pagan/Victorino 13M contract with one extra year. Far cry from what he was rumored to get on the FA market, or his agent thought he might get.
Please buy my new book.
It’s titled “Yankees in Transition”.
Or
“2015- A baseball Odyssey”
“So trade for FA to be -Morse, and let him walk after next season, since the Yankees have added another GCL minor league club for all the compensatory picks thay will receive in the near future! ”
That’d be a good plan yes
MTU-
Not so sure the Steinbrenner’s won’t want the extra payoff by staying the course until the expiration of the CBA agreement at the end of 2016. Hopefully the Yankees will have a new owner by then.
Id love to have Swisher back for a year….but if he has a 4 year deal on the table from Cleveland then he probably should take it…..it’s unlikely his market will be any better a year from now
Those who criticized the all homer team likely visualized a team with a better batting average to compensate. That isn’t happening either. They have Youkilis of the .235 average and Nunez as DH, presumably against all ptitching, who will hit around .260, if I had to guess.
They are likely down 100 runs, if not more.
Blake-
I’m not even sure the spenthrift Yankees will give guys like Granderson, Morse, Hughes the 2013 version of the qualifyong offer which will probably be more than the 13.6M, I believe, it was this offseason.
I’ll give you this.
Some of you just don’t give up.
You want Morse, or Kubel, Maxwell, etc.
And I think what you’re likely to get is bupkus.
But thanks for keeping the fires burning.
This does not look like one last all in effort. With Nix and Nunez, they have eleven positional players on the 25 man roster. As I said in October, they need offense. Now, they need it more.
*spendthrift and qualifying*
“I’m not even sure the spenthrift Yankees will give guys like Granderson, Morse, Hughes the 2013 version of the qualifyong offer which will probably be more than the 13.6M, I believe, it was this offseason.”
I think they’ll have to be careful yea….but I wouldn’t predict any of those guys to take it if they have good seasons in 2013…..
Mac-
“Those who criticized the all homer team likely visualized a team with a better batting average to compensate.”
Precisely. I envised younger guys too.
Guys like an Upton.
Jump in the Time Machine w me and we’ll set it for 4/1/2015, or we can just go to my private Island to wait it out.
or even spend the Summer exploring Wells-Gray.
MTU-
I want what you want and now more than ever, is a distinct possibility, now to be offered in trade.
Yes-Justin Upton.
Cashman needs to work with his friend Towers and make it happen- even if they have to engage in a three-way! Oops that sounded bad!
YT-
I’d like to think Cashman made the max. effort to secure him but I kinda doubt it.
MTU,
I am setting my time machine to stop at the time we have new ownership. I do not believe 2015 will be a wallet opening time.
Can Yvette Mimeaux be there?
Seems to me, this gives a legit shot to Chris Dickerson, sort of a forgotten left handed batting outfielder. Not only can Dickerson play the outfield as well or better than Ibanez, but is younger. He can DH against right handers, or pinch hit with decent power. So all the Yankess nedd now, is a right handed batting cheap short term platoon outfielder, which is NOT a rare commodity. That is, if you believe in the GM’s catching decision.
An above average right handed hitting outfielder is hard to find when you won’t pay him.
I have predicted for a couple months February left overs is the way they will go. The holiday remnants are pretty rancid by then.
Upton has a contract for a few more years. Do we know if that would automatically exclude him from consideration? I think it might.
Dickerson and Mustelier for home grown with Nunez getting DH at bats.
Mac-
Perhaps you are right but that is the earliest possible time so I’m setting it for that.
Yes. Yvette can be there. Or if you like, I can substitue Barabara Eden, Ursula Andress, or Bardot.
Just let me know.
If the Yankees want to go for it in 2013 …..then they need more than another platoon bat….they need a realm threat from the right side that can hit righties and lefties and one that can play the corners on the outfield some…..they need this especially if they have decided to go with zero offense at catcher.
Morse could put this team much closer to being a title contender IMO
More rookies might play in 2014 than 2013 the way it looks.
But keep in mind the Yankees generally do not trust their youngsters.
Maybe things are gonna abe different now out of necessity ?
Who knows. I’ll believe when I see it.
If they will all be waiting, I’m hopping on the time machine even if the Yankees bring on Braun, Trout and Harper.
Mac and MTU-
Which version of those lovely ladies do you want waiting for you when the time machine makes it way to 2015?
Maybe best to go back to the 1961 year when these group of Yankees generated some true excitement.
http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....#038;t=NYA
I would think the Smoak era in Seattle is over now…..
Mac-
You have good taste.
Blake,
Going for it means putting a team on the field they can tell the fans will be competitive.
I predict, for the record a 10% or more, decline in attendance this year. I further believe they will more likely be sellers at the TD than buyers.
I like Nunez, but his bat is good for a middle infielder. Not a DH. Dickerson will be the 4th left handed hitting outfielder. Don’t think so. Mesa?
Blake-
It was Smoak and mirrors anyway.
YT,
1961 would be a fabulous destination. When your third string catcher and outfielder, hits 21 homers, you have a pretty good team. That was a great year to be a child baseball fan.
YT-
That would work. I was just tyring to look forward instead.
Mac,
They keep proving me wrong this winter……but letting Inanez go doesn’t really jive with their go cheap and status quo plan……they still have no DH.
Gotta think they are gonna do something to add a legit bat….but as I said …they’ve been proving me wrong all winter.
If available then Morse just makes too much sense….
Blake-
Ibanez apparently will play the OF. After al,l the fences are in 17′ in left center and 4′ in right-so less ground to cover. Morales at 1st. Montero primary catcher, and Smoak if not traded sharing DH with Morales?
Morse career vs RHP .292 with an .830 OPS
Vs LHP .303 with an .860 Ops
Was a .900 OpS bat with 30 homers in 2011 when he was healthy
He’d make the lineup significantly better and more balanced and you wouldn’t have to platoon him….one year comittment…..perfect
Austinmac-
Johnny Blanchard was one of my favorite players on that team. I met Clete Boyer a few years before he died and he gave me a signed photo of him with Mantle and Maris. George Clooney is the spitting image of a young Clete Boyer. Boyer was every bit the equal of Brooks Robinson with the glove.
This photo:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROGER-.....0757408131
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