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Happy Holidays from all of us at LoHud

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Dec 24, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Happy Holidays everyone!

It’s Christmas Eve, and I’m back home in Missouri. I flew in yesterday, and I’ve already spent some time hanging out with my cousin’s newborn. I’ll meet my friends Justin and Kari’s new baby boy later in the week. Obviously there’s a lot to be thankful for around here, and I’m sure everyone out there can say the same.

I’m actually taking a week of vacation to spend time with friends and family that I don’t see nearly enough, but I’ll be back at the start of the new year to begin counting the days until spring training.

Until then, I’ll be celebrating Christmas and wishing all of you a Merry Christmas. Whatever you celebrate — even if it’s nothing more than a day off work and a cheap takeout dinner — I hope you enjoy it with some people you love. Merry Christmas everyone! See you in a week.

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359 Responses to “Happy Holidays from all of us at LoHud”

  1. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Happy Holidays Chad and to everyone – thanks for all of the work and posts the past year from Chad, Brian and other lohud writers – - – -

  2. Benny Blanco December 24th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Does anyone know if betances is still considered a starter or is he full fledge reliever now?

  3. jmills December 24th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Best wishes everydody!

  4. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    How many minor league options does Betances have left?

  5. Yankee Trader December 24th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Chad-

    Enjoy your well deserved time with family and very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year.

  6. austinmac December 24th, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Chad,

    Merry Christmas. Tell your folks we think you do a heck of a job.

  7. blake December 24th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Thanks Chad and everyone. Merry Christmas and happy holidays

  8. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 24th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    “I don’t think I’ll count my bankroll this morning. Too big a family for Christmas.”

    Boy do I hear that! :D

    ****************

    Merry Christmas Chad!!! Enjoy your well-deserved vacation. Not much tops the love of family and friends so I’m sure your celebration will be a great one.

    :)

  9. blake December 24th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Benny Blanco says:
    December 24, 2012 at 9:03 am
    Does anyone know if betances is still considered a starter or is he full fledge reliever now?

    I think he needs to be a reliever ….whether they’ve made that decision yet Im not sure

  10. Yankee Trader December 24th, 2012 at 9:12 am

    righty who can hit .290 or above against lefties and play the OF
    ——————————
    Reed Johnson .311 BA vs lefties last season and .306 the last 3 seasons plus one of the leaders in pinch hits last season. But-he’s resigned with Braves.

    Still need an experienced defensive catcher who can hit also and who the pitchers respect with their game calling.-David Ross. Oops he signed with the Red Sox.

    Both inexpensive options who would have fit under the XMAS tree.

  11. austinmac December 24th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    YT,

    Both would have been very good options. However, I think the reason for one move at a time was money. Cashman needed to see what each move cost before knowing if he had money for the next. That seems to include even smallish transactions like you suggested.

    Now, he is waiting to see if he can either move someone for money space or, if not, add a cheap guy.

    Someone predicted early on Cashman had the toughest job of any GM this year. That’s for sure. Next year will be twice as hard.

  12. Yankee Trader December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Looking for a left handed bat to DH. Take your pick from these free agents that are still available:

    Designated hitters
    Bobby Abreu (39)
    Johnny Damon (39)
    Travis Hafner (36)
    Nick Johnson (34)
    Hideki Matsui (39)
    Luke Scott (35)
    Jim Thome (42)

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....YW78Z8p.99

  13. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    I like the Romine and Montgomery in 2013

    then the Heathcott, Flores, and Marshall in 2014

    then the Austin and Turley in 2015

  14. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    I would like Garret Jones at LH/DH – but the Pirates are asking for crazy returns – - – -

  15. Keith--PA....no longer FL December 24th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    The Yankees aren’t being cheap, they are just severely limited b/c of the $30 AROD contract….he should feel embarrassed to be making that money and not even playing….if he had any pride he would semi-retire and get a buyout around $25 million of his contract and tell the players union to leave it alone and not fight it….then he can try to comeback in 2014 with the Marlins or some other team that needs the attention…..that $30 million could get the Yankees some good offensive players that can hit for average……or be able to trade for high ($10-15 million) salary players…I would still trade Granderson for some triple AAA position players that can be ready to play in the Bronx this year or next….and sign Michael Bourn to play CF……let Cano test the market, if the Dodgers want to give him 8 years and $200 million then I say bye-bye Robbie and thanks for your best prime years but Boras will not hold us hostage….these long-term contracts are just ridiculous for any payer that is at least 30 years old….and one who in Cano is not Jeter, or a triple crown winner like Cabrera…..

  16. MTU December 24th, 2012 at 9:22 am

    I think we need a RH hitting OF’er who can at least play corners.

    Probably gonna get that revolving door DH a lot more next season.

  17. MTU December 24th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Hal has decided the Yankee’s financial limits.

    ;)

  18. MTU December 24th, 2012 at 9:26 am

    For every Austin Jackson there are 10 or even 100 Melky Mesa’s.

    It’s worth keeping that in mind IMO.

  19. Yankee Trader December 24th, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Cashman-

    Trade Granderson for Michael Olt.
    Sign Marcum before you trade a pitcher, plus others to your friend Kevin Towers for Justin Upton.
    Get some of the Baby Bombers on the fast track to the bigs and you are close to calling it an exciting and successful off season:

    Ichiro LF
    Jeter SS
    Upton RF
    Cano 2B
    Teixeira 1B
    Olt 3B
    Youkilis DH
    Romine C
    Gardner CF

    Bench-Nunez, Mustelier, Dickerson, Stewart/Cervelli

    Oops I just woke up! :)

  20. MTU December 24th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Yes YT you did.

    Huge bet being made on the Farm.

    Hope that works out.

    So far it’s been a mixed bag.

  21. MTU December 24th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Odd of recreating a new core 4 ?

    Very, very low IMO.

    That was just a miraculous occurence.

    Not likely to be repeated.

  22. Against All Odds December 24th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone

  23. MTU December 24th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    Same to you AAO

    Hope Santa is good to you.

  24. blake December 24th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    “The Yankees aren’t being cheap, they are just severely limited b/c of the $30 AROD contract”

    Who’s fault is that contract? It hampers then only because they let it

  25. MTU December 24th, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Blake-

    It’s all Bud Smellig’s fault.

    ;)

  26. Hassey December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Did I just see someone mention Nick Johnson here?

    SUSQUEHANNA HAT COMPANY!!!

  27. Ys Guy December 24th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Wow! the Lohud building looks GREAT in that picture!

  28. Ys Guy December 24th, 2012 at 10:03 am

    i sorted through the archives and found this picture of pete and sam the day the blog started in the original Lohud Building!

    http://www.rgcrompton.info/p/1.....ad1910.jpg

  29. DONNYBROOK December 24th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    You know the free agent buyers are almost Gone, when Swish settles for 4 yrs of Cleveland. Swisher in Cleveland issa fish outta water. Obviously, teams like Cleve have gotta over-pay in order to get guys to sign, but this just ain’t a fit, and over 4yrs it’s only gonna get progressively worse. If it’s me, I woulda hung onto Choo till the Trade Deadline, seen where the team was at, and then either dealt Choo, or tallyed on to the Playoffs. In general, I just do Not see a lotta difference in Choo and Swish, and long-term, going with Swish is gonna do more damage than good. This is Exactly why the Indians continue to struggle. Continually grasping at straws like Swish and Ubaldo will Not lead to the Playoffs. These kinda players look somewhat good on paper, but are Not of the ilk to spearhead a Playoff run.

  30. Against All Odds December 24th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Hopefully he is MTU lol.

    Happy Holidays man.

    Blake how money do the Yankees have commited to the 2014 payroll before they fill out the rest of the roster? I’m having a discussion with a Yankee fan on another board

    Merry xmas

  31. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Against All Odds December 24th, 2012 at 9:39 am
    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone

    *****

    Happy Holidays Odds – - – -

  32. Ys Guy December 24th, 2012 at 10:34 am

    you have to estimate how much guys like jeter, gardner, nova, nunez, phelps, romine, robertson, joba and others are going to get next year, then add them to arod, tex, cc and ichiro’s deals. that still leaves you 29 guys who need to get paid under the $189M.

  33. RhapsodyInBlue December 24th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah to all you good folks, and a big thanks to you Chad and Lohud for all your hard work in dealing with us :)

  34. MTU December 24th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    This what Xmas looks like in Southern Utah :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/XmasInTheDesert?authkey=Gv1sRgCJTg2OfO_eHycA#

    Obviously one of my neighbors is a bit deranged.

    :)

  35. blake December 24th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    “Blake how money do the Yankees have commited to the 2014 payroll before they fill out the rest of the roster? I’m having a discussion with a Yankee fan on another board”

    for luxury tax purposes from what I can tell about 100 million if Jeter plays.

    Arod (27.5)
    Tex (23)
    CC (23)
    Jeter (15)
    taxes, bonuses (12)

    around 100 million…..if they sign Cano it’ll be closer to 125….for 5 players.

  36. mick December 24th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    FeinsandNYDN In February, Yankees fans screamed that Cashman didn’t know what he was doing signing Ibanez. Now he’s an idiot for letting Ibanez go. #sigh
    ==============================================

    Is this true? Where does he get this stuff? Is he referring to us?

    The nerve….

    Happy whatever you celebrate to y’all…..

  37. yankeefeminista December 24th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    Merry Christmas, everyone! Buon Natale! Feliz Navidad! And Happy Holidays! Enjoy your family and other loved ones! Have a wonderful vacation, Chad! Miss you, GB! And a special toast to all my Yankee friends here on Lohud!

  38. 86w183 December 24th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Merry Christmas everyone!

    The Yanks have basically $ 90 M committed to five guys for 2014:

    CC, Tex, ARod, Ichiro and Jeter.

    That leaves about $ 90 M for the rest of the team leaving $ 10 M for cost of benefits.

    Some flexibility, but not much.

  39. yankeefeminista December 24th, 2012 at 10:53 am

    As for Betances, no to the pen. Premature. He repeated fine in fall league, and that changeup added to his FB and curve is a nasty repertoire. So, I am holding out hope for the 2010 Dellin. SP’s have so much more value. See, Joba and decreased value. J-Ram was prematurely targeted for the pen by many. If these guys can help us later in the season out of the pen, so be it, but designating them for the pen now is counterproductive.

  40. DONNYBROOK December 24th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Yea, Nobody here crying about the Ibanez departure. Good guy, good player, but Not a playoff difference maker. The guy issa bench player. When circumstances force him to play onna regular basis for a couple weeks, the needle hits E, and he goes in the tank for a month. His Not being on the roster will be forgotten right after I watch George Bailey fall through the ice tonight.

  41. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    forgot ichiro, he has to be counted now too!

    27.5
    22.5
    24.4
    6.5
    11 for benefits

    91.9

    With 15.5 for Jeter or 9 depending on if he opts out.

  42. Against All Odds December 24th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Thanks buddy I appreciate it

  43. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    It is like a virus – but a good virus – - – - -

    Bullpen has begun to go cheap

    Rotation spots 4-5 are cheap and no. 3 could go cheap in 2014

    Bench is going cheap

    Catcher will go cheap

    In 2014 – CF/LF could go cheap with Slade – - – –

  44. Duh Innings II December 24th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Designated hitters
    Bobby Abreu (39) BEEN THERE DONE THAT.
    Johnny Damon (39) BEEN THERE DONE THAT.
    Travis Hafner (36) EDUARDO NUNEZ > HIM.
    Nick Johnson (34) BEEN THERE DONE THAT…TWICE.
    Hideki Matsui (39) BEEN THERE DONE THAT.
    Luke Scott (35) SEE HAFNER.
    Jim Thome (42) TOO OLD AND SLOW, CAN’T PLAY THE FIELD, NO NEED FOR HIM TO BACK UP AT 1B WITH YOUKILIS AS THE BACKUP 1B.

    Cashman is an idiot. He should’ve signed Scott Baker. Had he done that and signed Marcum, he could have put Hughes AND Nova on the trading block and still had Phelps as rotation insurance/six starting pitchers (Sabathia/Kuroda/Pettitte/Baker/Marcum.) He could’ve also got Pettitte to accept $7.5M (75% of Mo’s base salary for 2013 as Pettitte is worth 75% of Mo tops) for $4.5M savings which could’ve been put towards signing Soria for two years which would’ve allowed Cashman to put Chamberlain on the trading block, too. Also, he could’ve told Youkilis a year and $6M cuz you’re not the power threat Mark Reynolds who took that amount of money is and used the $6M they would’ve saved not overpaying Youkilis to give David Ross two years and $6M he’d have taken (tack on $200K so he makes the $6.2M the Red Sox gave him.) Bring back Melky Cabrera and RF is solved as well as C and 3B and you could go with Ichiro as the DH/super-backup LF-RF and put Nunez on the trading block for FOUR homegrown, young, cheap, promising players including two under control (Nova and Nunez.) And who says Cano, Gardner, Granderson, and either Romine or Cervelli couldn’t be tradebait also?

    There you go:

    Sabathia/Kuroda/Pettitte/Baker/Marcum rotation with Phelps as insurance in AAA or in the bullpen

    Rivera/Robertson/Soria/Logan/Rapada/Eppley/TBD or Phelps bullpen

    Hughes, Nova, Chamberlain, and Nunez who could easily net 6 to 8 players and at least 4 top prospects.

    Everyone after Sabathia is a free agent after 2013 so the Yanks could rebuild the rotation after Sabathia however they see fit.

  45. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    .893 OPS vs. Lefties, .825 OPS vs. Righties – do you want me?

  46. theREALkevin December 24th, 2012 at 11:15 am

    Ibanez wasn’t a playoff difference maker this past season? Must have missed something. I for one don’t mind letting him go, but don’t understate his contributions last year. He was ****ing unbelievable when you throw in his postseason performance also.

  47. theREALkevin December 24th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Duh Innings you’re retarded bro. You think Cashman can just convince a player to take any amount of money? What does he put like voodoo curses on them or something? Oh ya, Cashman should have just persuaded Pettitte to take 7.5 mil and Youkilis to take 6 mil when they clearly could get more from another team. I guess you could say let them walk, but that’s not the same as saying Cash should have just somehow manipulated those players into taking way less to play for the Yankees. WTF? Get a clue dude.

  48. yankeefeminista December 24th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    Thing with Ibanez is that he had some big hits for us, but the fact is he is a platoon DH who had a .634 road OPS. So, he is pretty one dimensional. What made that 2009 team special was that most of our batters hit both RHP and LHP well. We have unfortunately become too platoon happy.

    Betances has one option left.

  49. blake December 24th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    JF is right….forgot about Ichiro….so roughly 107 million on the books for tax purposes now for 5 players if Jeter plays.

    2 of which will be 40…..1 of which may not even be able to play….and another who has declined each of the last 5 seasons….awesome

  50. theREALkevin December 24th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    Plus Baker would suck at this point in his career in the AL East

  51. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Platoons and depth to have platoons can be fun sometimes – sometimes you need a Cecil Fielder to replace a Tino or a Charlie Hayes to replace a Wade Boggs and then have Boggs come off as a pinch hitter to face Steve Avery in extra innings – - – -

  52. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    avg. may have declined – but HRs and RBIs have remained pretty consistent – except last year due to injury – - – -

  53. blake December 24th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    The Yanks will have about 70 million bucks to fill a whole lot of roster spots in 2014…..if they sign Cano that decreased to around 45 million….it’s possible but they really really need Pineda to get healthy and be good and they really need Austin and Heathcott to be close to ready by then

  54. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Austin and Heathcott to be close to ready by then

    ****

    I think you just need one of them at this point to assume a starter position – imo Austin can wait until 2015 – especially if he is beginning the year in Tampa – - – -Heathcott and Flores could be more reasonable for 2014 – with one assuming a starter role and the other as a 4th OFer – - – -

  55. austinmac December 24th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    I read the Yankees were thinking of starting Austin at Tamps. Surely not. That isn’t fast track.

  56. blake December 24th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    If either of Austin Heathcott are ready by 2014 then that’ll help

  57. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Have to hope a guy like Heathcott takes the Cano path. Problem is Cano already had 46 games in AA the season before he split between AA & AAA.

    Heatchott, Austin, Flores. All these guys just don’t have the games played to expect much before 2015.

  58. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Austin only has 30 games in A+, Heathcott 61 in A+, Williams 22 in A+. Flores is the best of them with 131 in A+. All of them except Flores repeating A+ would not be out of the question. I guess they are going to put Heathcott in AA, Flores will start in AA. Need to be in AAA by the midway point to be on a Cano path of taking over an OF spot in 2014 during the season.

  59. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    Flores suddenly becoming Bobby Abreu would be good too.

  60. tucker December 24th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Heathcott more than held his own against elite Minor League competition in the AFL. Granted, it was only 30 or so games, but that experience counts for seasoning, too.

    He is opening the season with Trenton, correct? Maybe a September 2014 call up is not out of the question, health and performance permitting.

  61. 86w183 December 24th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    The Yanks have notoriously babied kids thru the minors one step at a time.

    The quest for a payroll of $ 189 M in 2014 makes that an impractical strategy.

    They need to challenge their best prospects to move more quickly since they’re gonna need about six-to-eight minimum wage guys on the MLB roster next year.

  62. jacksquat December 24th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Heathcott could start at AA and if he hits well enough, move to AAA mid season. Flores could as well. And if they do that, they could get a look in spring training 2014. Other teams bring up guys straight from AA all the time if they look talented enough, especially at lower skill positions like OF, 1B.

  63. Chip December 24th, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    I don’t mind losing Ibanez or any of the others who have left. The problems as I see them are:

    1. Cashman dosen’t seem to be able to multitask. He takes one area at a time and if that means watching players he wants or needs come offbthe board, so be it.

    2. Brian’s plan of waiting out free agents isn’t working. Guys who werebaround in February are coming off the board in December.

    3. At some point he has tontrust his young players to play.

    There are still plenty of lh dh options: Giambi, Scott, Hafner, Berkman or trade
    Plenty of rh fourth ofs: Hairston, Rivera, Young.

    My guess/hope is that he can pull off some interesting trades for guys like Morse, Kubel, Murphy….we’ll see

  64. blake December 24th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Morse makes so much sense that there is no way it’ll happen …..

  65. mick December 24th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Thanks buddy I appreciate it
    ===================
    a same to you would have sufficed.

  66. jacksquat December 24th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Juan Rivera road games vs lhp 2010-12 (I used road games because Dodger Stadium depresses hitting):

    .299 .354 .495 (204 ab)

  67. mick December 24th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    FeinsandNYDN Again, the perception that the Yankees are being “cheap” is ridiculous. They will spend over $200 million on payroll this season.
    ================================
    Discuss.

    I foresee a future where Hal’s stars are on maximum 3 year deals.

    Of course, if he decides he’s not going to pay them market value, he will find they will not play here and we will be a perennial last place team until he sells as the Yankee brand will be destroyed without winning.

    Negative enough?

  68. longtime December 24th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Merry Christmas all , should be a fun year , I may be one of the few but I have faith in the organization , they will put a competative on the field . Watch for a big trade before ST

  69. jacksquat December 24th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    I wouldn’t mind Morse at all, but he makes 6.75 mil in 2013 and that may be a budget buster for the Yankees.

  70. mick December 24th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    FeinsandNYDN Cashman said he never made an offer to Ibanez. Yankees’ priority is to sign a RH-hitting OF before they sign any DH, especially a lefty.
    ===================================
    If this were really true, what are they trying to accomplish this year?
    To save on the 2013 luxury tax?
    Where do they stand right now, is it possible?

  71. Against All Odds December 24th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    mick December 24th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    Thanks buddy I appreciate it
    ===================
    a same to you would have sufficed.

    ———————————–

    Does it really make a difference.

  72. mick December 24th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Does it really make a difference.
    =====================
    what is that supposed to mean?

  73. Chip December 24th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Morse being on the market at all is entirely dependent on LaRoche.

    Juan Rivera’s not much of a fielder but neither was Ibanez. As a rh bench bat he would be a good fit. Certainly better than Matt Diaz at this stage.

  74. Against All Odds December 24th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    mick December 24th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    Does it really make a difference.
    =====================
    what is that supposed to mean?
    ————————————–

    I’m just asking.

  75. jacksquat December 24th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    The Yankees were about -20 mil in salaries from 2012 before they added Youkilis and Ichiro, so they are probably right up against what Hal wants to spend for 2013.

    I predict cheap 1-2 mil deals for both the righthanded OF/DH and lefthanded DH.

  76. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    I’m just asking.
    =========
    asking what?

  77. tucker December 24th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    It’s odd how inflexible Cash is in his sequence of signing players. Starting pitchers are first, followed by the team’s own free agents. Then corner infielders and corner outfielders.

    I understand it is a formula that has worked in past years, but the team needs to read the market and react accordingly.

  78. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    The Yankees were about -20 mil in salaries from 2012 before they added Youkilis and Ichiro, so they are probably right up against what Hal wants to spend for 2013.
    =========================================
    if the LT plays no role this year, why can’t he spend more?

  79. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    It’s odd how inflexible Cash is in his sequence of signing players.
    =================================
    What makes you say he has any say?
    He is more of an order taker with no room for negotiation.
    This method is turning off most players from coming here.

  80. jacksquat December 24th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    It’s in order of greatest need and greatest salary. Can you imagine how different things would have to have been if they didn’t get Kuroda and Pettitte?

  81. Pat M. December 24th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Merry Christmas to all of my LoHud pals wq

  82. Pat M. December 24th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    You too Face, Happy Holidays

  83. Against All Odds December 24th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    SMFH

  84. austinmac December 24th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    I think it is as Cashman said. He has to use limited funds to fill holes in order of importance to him. He must now do a right handed hitting outfielder, and without knowing the cost of that, he saves the money. He clearly has very limited financial flexibility.

  85. 86w183 December 24th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    I guess I’d be a lousy negotiator because I would have made offers to all the FA I wanted to retain and given them 72 hours to counter followed by a final offer. It should not take more than a week to reach a conclusion with all of your own FA.

    Diaz or Rivera would be good fits. Diaz has more pronounced LH/RH splits but both hit LHP really well. If healthy Diaz is the better defender, but either would be a nice addition.

    I still think Granderson for Hunter Pence works for both teams.

  86. austinmac December 24th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Merry Christmas Pat M. Enjoy it all.

  87. tucker December 24th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    I am very curious whether Chavez left because he did not want to sign with the Yanks or whether he left because the team did not come up with a timely offer.

    It made sense to let Russ Martin go. But Chavez? He was a perfect fit at a reasonable cost. If he no longer wanted to play for this team, fine. If he would have signed for an equivalent contract that the DBacks offered, then that was a miss. He certainly provides better value for his production than what Youk signed for.

  88. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    I wonder if the “cap” plays into this for 2013.
    I just assume they are over and will pay LT.

  89. 86w183 December 24th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Kinda sucks that the Steinbrothers approved that albatross of a contract (A-Rod) and THEN found religion in the form of fiscal sanity.

    Had they known the CBA would turn out as it did they might not have gone eight years with Teixeira or five with AJ either. Who knows?

  90. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Either Heathcott is on the face track or their looking to showcase him – maybe both – but starting the kid in AA along with Flores shows me they are face tracking him. Heathcott was already in AFL to catch up on ABs – playing with some guys who were already in AA pitching wise – so in a sense – he kind of already has those 46 Cano ABs in AA – Heathcott needs to stay healthy – if he does and he continues his upward trajectory – the Yanks going into 2014 can take a look at him, evaluate Gardner going into his last year of team control before he hits FA, what Suzuki gave them, and also take a look at FA Ofers – I do not think Austin will be ready – but then again – he did jump a level to FSL – and showed up for a cup of coffee in AA – but the fact that he did not see any winter ball tells me they are taking a more cautious approach with him – as they should given that the kid had a concussion last season but came back well from it performance wise – Flores is in winter ball and could have a nice shot at that 4th Ofer with his approach at the plate – and remember – Flores is younger than Mason Williams and some of the others – - – -

  91. blake December 24th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    “Morse being on the market at all is entirely dependent on LaRoche.”

    True but ultimately I think they will sign Laroche

  92. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Does it really make a difference.
    ====================
    i guess not to you.

  93. 86w183 December 24th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    I think Chavez jumped at the chance to go home. He and his family live in Phoenix and so it makes home life a whole lot easier.

  94. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Had they known the CBA would turn out as it did they might not have gone eight years with Teixeira or five with AJ either. Who knows?
    =======================
    Didn’t Hal push for this CBA?

  95. blake December 24th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    I think Chavez signed with the Dbacks because the Yanks weren’t aggressive and because he lives there….it was an opportunity for him to play at home

  96. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    I think Chavez was fed up here with the way they do things esp last PS.
    Not thinking he liked the way they treated Arod.

    That puzzles me. Did they know he was hurt but not want to disclose it for some crazy reason?

  97. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    The question to me is whether Hal will ever spend for another expensive FA.
    If he plans not to, then sell the team right now, buddy.

  98. waka flocka December 24th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    I am pretty sure Chavez said, in public, that he signed with Arizona to be closer to home.

  99. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    why would chavez knock the yanks on the way out…he might be back in 5 years.

  100. blake December 24th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    I think Hal is gonna want to keep the payroll right around that tax threshold and to keep the team lean in case he wants to sell…..

    If the prospects hit then they’ll be ok in a couple of years….if they just then they are in major trouble as over 100 million is already tied up in declining players.

  101. blake December 24th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Bust

  102. tucker December 24th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    There was no real explanation from the Yanks on Chavy’s signing. It’s just an example of someone who may have fit at a lower cost.

    But Cashman wanted to get the Kuroda and Pettitte signing’s done first and probably figured he could wait out Chavez. That approach ended up costing the Yanks more with Youk’s signing.

    At the very least, you would think Cashman would have talked to Chavy’s agent first thing after learning about ARod’s injury. He could have had an offer before Chavez prior to the DBacks jumping in.

    Now it’s possible that Chavez’s top priority was to sign with Arizona and he jumped at their offer. I think it’s more likely that Cashman though he could once again wait to get Chavez’s price down, but the strategy backfired. That forced the Yankees to make an aggressive offer to Youk.

  103. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    so realistically Hal might not spend til Arod and Tex are off the books.
    that might include jeter…
    that would be the lightening rod for fan cries to sell the team…and 1/4-1/2 full stadiums.

    to Hal that would be stadium half empty…

  104. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    There was no real explanation from the Yanks on Chavy’s signing.
    ====================
    Just look at them like the federal gov’t.

  105. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    he kind of already has those 46 Cano ABs in AA

    Cano had 46 games, not ABs. Then spent 74 more games in AA. Problem is most of our OFers except Flores don’t even have that many games in A+! Yankees will need to be aggressive with them to get them up in the system.

    I don’t think Flores has any chance at 4th OFer this year. He’ll spend either the entire year in AA or split between AA/AAA.

  106. blake December 24th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    “so realistically Hal might not spend til Arod and Tex are off the books.”

    Nah….I think they will sign Cano for way too much for way too long

  107. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Maybe Cash thought Chavez would block either Mustelier or Adams from some time at 3rd?

    Maybe Stick got in his ear?

    We can only hope..

  108. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Nah….I think they will sign Cano for way too much for way too long
    =================
    I’m thinking not.

    Hal doesn’t seem like the type that will be held hostage.

    Cash: “We didn’t make Cano an offer.”

  109. 86w183 December 24th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    To me 2014 is the most scary situation because of all the money that’s already committed.

    There’s more flexibility in 2015 and should be more young position players ready to take on a bigger role.

    I remain convinced that the key(s) to being a legit contender in 2014-15 are Nova, Pineda, Banuelos, Phelps, Warren, Marshall and Betances. If that group gives them three reliabler guys behind CC and Hughes they got a chance because remaining $$$ can be used for position players.

    Montgomery emerging as a closer would help a lot too.

  110. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    blake you might be right.
    in hals mind he might think his marquis HOF IF will be the draw he needs, win or lose.
    throw the rookies in the OF and away we go…

  111. jacksquat December 24th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Chavez never could have played 3B full time or even all games vs rhp. On top of that, the guy said he took the opportunity to play near his home.

  112. RMS December 24th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Both Chavez and Ibanez wanted to play close to their homes. No great loss for the Yankees.

    ==================================================
    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all!!!!!!!!

  113. mick December 24th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    maybe letting go of ibanez and chavez is part of the youth movement.
    we can only assume as cash is stealth.

  114. Run it Out December 24th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    86…
    I doubt Hughes is behind CC in 2014.

  115. mick December 24th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    youk might find a home here and play for less next year.
    at least this could be hal’s plan.

  116. UpState December 24th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Chavez made $_______ in 2012 ?

    Will make $__________ in 2013 ?

    Did he get a 2nd or 3rd year ?

  117. Against All Odds December 24th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    blake December 24th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
    “so realistically Hal might not spend til Arod and Tex are off the books.”

    Nah….I think they will sign Cano for way too much for way too long

    —————————

    And they’ll close the wallet until a great player reaches the market.

  118. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    On top of that, the guy said he took the opportunity to play near his home.

    Which is good when the Yankees, who he said he liked and would play for again, do not even give an offer. I don’t think he would have turned down 3 mil from the Yankees

  119. mick December 24th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    And they’ll close the wallet until a great player reaches the market.
    =========================================
    the jury is out on Hal.
    if he does this it will be clear, he’s about star quality and not winning.
    and he didn’t learn from the arod mistake.

  120. mick December 24th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Which is good when the Yankees, who he said he liked and would play for again, do not even give an offer. I don’t think he would have turned down 3 mil from the Yankees
    =====================================
    the way they operate now, they are about saving a mill here and there.
    they would never have offered him 3m as he wasn’t a priority.
    this is how they will get a C and RH OFer in Feb. when they are desperate and will take minimal offer.

  121. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    If Slade performs like Cano did in his AA and early AAA (Cano OPSed .707 in his first stint in AA, then .853 in his second stint in AA, then .719 in first stint in AAA, and then broke out in his second stint in AAA with .942) – then yeah – he is going to need the extra time in the minors – BUT it does come down to how he performs rather than the amount of games he needs – - – -

    And just for another example – Melky Cabrera spent 106 in AA and then AAA and then 55 in AA – I believe milb seasons are around 130 – and Melky’s was split over 1 season and a tad under a quarter – but Slade already has 16 games against good prospects in the AFL – it is not out of the question for Slade to break camp in 2014 – especially if he goes to winter ball again in the 2013 off season. With Slade – it is about staying healthy versus the amount of games he will need – - – -

  122. mick December 24th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    isn’t it obvious to everyone that this is a bargaining tool that is being played.
    we have only so much money left to spend i believe were cash’s exact words.
    it’s not like they are the mets with cash problems.
    this poor man routine will turn off real stars and cano will be the test case.

  123. blake December 24th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Slade will need to really perform in AA this year and at least get some AAA time most likely to have a shot to break camp with the Yanks in 2014 of they operate as they have in the past….. Of course the budge cut in 2014 may cause then to shift that and push prospects a bit more….which wouldn’t be the worst thing if they are ready

  124. Run it Out December 24th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    3 homegrowns, Cano, Hughes and Joba could all be gone next year. With Boras as his agent, Cano will get a tidy sum from someone. No hometown discounts coming from that camp.

  125. Against All Odds December 24th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    mick December 24th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    And they’ll close the wallet until a great player reaches the market.
    =========================================
    the jury is out on Hal.
    if he does this it will be clear, he’s about star quality and not winning.
    and he didn’t learn from the arod mistake.
    ———————————————

    I think we have a good sense on who Hal is.

    He’s about numbers and budgets
    He wants the farm to be a pipeline for the ML team
    He will do long term deals but has to be talked into it

  126. pkyankfan69 December 24th, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    I don’t think they will be but imagine if the Yankees are out of it prior to the trade deadline… Due to all of their short and/or expiring contracts the Yanks could have a major fire sale… They could potentially trade Cano, Grandy, Ichiro, Youk Kuroda, Pettitte, Hughes, Joba for prospects or young players with no long term effect on the organization. (I left off Mo because that is unthinkable.)… If they were out of it I wonder how much the Yanks would sell off?… My gut tells me they would be stubborn/stupid and only trade away a guy or two and for the most part miss out on building for the future.

  127. mick December 24th, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    He will do long term deals but has to be talked into it
    ===============================
    agree on most of this but there is still a sense of the unknown with him as this is all new ground.
    what we don’t know is if this is all part of a master plan based on winning or balancing his budget.
    only time will tell…

    if by being talked into it you mean the arod deal, that could also be a thing of the past.
    this version of hal appears to be more stubborn and independent.

  128. Against All Odds December 24th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Not just A-rod but Tex and Sori as well. Hell didn’t Cash try to talk him in getting Mike Cameron at the deadline a few yrs ago and Hal refused.

  129. mick December 24th, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    Hal is, at least offering some direction, if he is trying to build a team the right way.
    While we won in the past before becoming the 90′s Braves, it was more due to their core players.
    Certain FA’s put us over the top but our farm system brought, not bought titles, before they too got expensive.

  130. Chip December 24th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Tucker, I agree with you. It’s one thing to not overreact but Cashman does’t react at all to changes in the market. For example, guys like Morales or Kubel going on market should interest him, but he isn’t even willing to entertain them for the simple fact that he’s not up to that part of his list yet.

  131. Ys Guy December 24th, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    I think it’s clear they plan to sign cano next year. theyll have about 50M to fill around cc, tex, jeter arod, cano gardner, ichiro, nunez, roberston romine a a few more.

    the a’s spent less than that on their entire division winning team last season.

  132. mick December 24th, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Cash is looking for a RH OFer…how do Kubel or Morales fit that bill?

  133. Chip December 24th, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Mick….

    He is also looking for a lh dh which is why there was interest in bringing back Ibanez.

    Ys guy….

    If Jeter opts out Yankee plan could go out the window. Frankly, I would rather Cano walk than get an 8 year deal

  134. Chip December 24th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Two deals:

    Granderson to Texas for Murphy & Olt

    Warren and Joseph to Washington for Morse

  135. blake December 24th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    mick says:
    December 24, 2012 at 4:15 pm
    Cash is looking for a RH OFer…how do Kubel or Morales fit that bill?

    Badly …Kubel is a LH hitter and Morales might as well be cause he’s terrible vs lefties. Morse fits perfect

  136. blake December 24th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Chip says:
    December 24, 2012 at 4:27 pm
    Two deals:

    Granderson to Texas for Murphy & Olt

    Warren and Joseph to Washington for Morse

    That’d be great….don’t think either team would do it though ….however if you added more to each deal then maybe

  137. The Return of Stoneburner December 24th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Ys Guy December 24th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
    I think it’s clear they plan to sign cano next year. theyll have about 50M to fill around cc, tex, jeter arod, cano gardner, ichiro, nunez, roberston romine a a few more.

    the a’s spent less than that on their entire division winning team last season.

    ********

    I have the Yanks at around 62 million (60 million to bring it at 187 just to be safe) after spending on Jeter, C.C., Cano, ARod, Tex, Gardner, Ichiro, Robertson, Romine, benefits, the 15 minimum roster spots.

    What is left to be filled: SP# 2-5, Closer, RP# 3-7, Bench (UI, UI, UO, BUC), LF, 2b, and DH/3b (for ARod)

    Let’s say the Yanks go cheap – as they have shown of late with SP#4 and #5 at minimum (approx 1 million there), go cheap on RP# 3-7 at minimum (2.5 million) – as they have done of late, and cheap on bench (4 spots – for 2 million) – as they appear to be showing this upcoming season. That’s 5.5 million subtracted from 60 = 55 million.

    The remaining spots are now: LF, 2b, SP#2, SP#3, DH/3B (for ARod) and Closer for 55 million

    If you sign Cano to 25 million – that brings your budget down to about 30 million for LF, SP#2, SP#3, DH/3B (caddy for ARod) and Closer.

    If you go internally for closer – such as Robertson – then you do not need to worry that much about paying for a closer. Then that would leave about 30 million for LF, SP#2 and SP#3. THIS is where it is critical. IF Heathcott is ready for CF duty – can you then trade Gardner – going into his final year for that #3 starter type at a pre-arb type control – then you are left with SP#2, LF, DH/3B (caddy for ARod) for about 28 million or so.

    So it comes down to:

    (1) do you want to resign Cano

    (2) can you replace the closer role internally

    (3) can Heathcott be ready for 2014

    (4) can you trade for a no. 3 starter who is pre-arb or even on a small contract

    (5) can you fill LF, DH/3B (caddy for ARod) and no. 2 spot with around 28 million

  138. Giuseppe Franco December 24th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    I’d argue the Yanks’ biggest failure over the past decade is their lack of position player development.

    Even when Cashman wrestled control of the farm and player development away from The Boss and the Tampa faction in 2005 (or was it 2006?), he focused considerably more time and resources on accumulating young and talented arms.

    It seemed like a very sound strategy, especially at first since the big club really needed to develop their own pitching because the big league rotation was perhaps the teams’ biggest weakness during the mid to late 2000s.

    But stockpiling young arms at every turn came at a significant cost in terms of the neglect and lack of quality young bats developed in their system aside from Cano (and perhaps Gardner). Melky came on too little too late and Jackson and Montero were used as trade chips.

    Several of the young arms have turned out to be solid to very good major league pitchers for the Yanks or other teams, but lack of position players able to contribute to the everyday lineup is really hurting them now, especially given the budgetary restraints Hal has ordered going forward.

    I hope the young position guys like Williams, Heathcott, Bichette, etc, etc, can help the big club eventually but none of them are on the cusp of helping them anytime soon even if they make it to the big leagues at all.

    That’s precisely why many of us regulars went ballistic when Cashman decided to move Montero a year ago.

    He certainly would never admit to it publicly, or perhaps even privately, but I’d bet Cashman would like to have that trade back whether Pineda overcomes his shoulder issue or not.

  139. jacksquat December 24th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Stoneburner, you have Cano twice in your last post.

  140. mick December 24th, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    just reading the above gave me a headache, nothing personal stone, good synopsis.
    this not a way to run a ballclub esp the NY Yankees.
    never has been. how do they expect to win if they cant go over this cap? there seems to be no bend with Hal.
    we have never skimped and saved before and have never been small or mid market team.
    sure that’s where most teams are and they have won but no wonder fans are panicking.
    it will be interesting to see how the next 10 years go, and if this model fails, what a new buyer will do as a backlash.
    could be a long haul in search of the new george.

  141. jacksquat December 24th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    I don’t think Cashman wants Montero back, I think he is praying that Pineda comes back strong and can be the #2 for 2014.

  142. mick December 24th, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    whether they have montero or not, the rest of the farm system has to produce or no lesson was learned.

    unless the plan is business as usual, trade away our prospects for vets.

    oh wait, that costs money…

    Pineda, being cost controlled, was the idea and trades like this could happen again but I’m sure a Stick Michael type would do a better job than Cashman at this point.

  143. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    the a’s spent less than that on their entire division winning team last season.

    Yea but they built up a core over 5 losing years to do that. Hard to do it all in 1 offseason with only trades/Free agency to fill it. Thats the problem with cutting payroll now. 189 is fine if you have a cheap group of above average minor leaguers already starting for you to cover premium, expensive positions, but they do not have that.

    The big gap from Cano to now in position player development is looming.

  144. Chip December 24th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Blake,

    If the Mets could get two top prospects for Dickey and tTampa could get the best prospect in baseball for Shields, then Olt and Murphy is not out of order for Granderson. As for Morse, if the Nats sign LaRoche he becomes redundant.

  145. jmills December 24th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Hi Chad, beautiful picture! Is that the 60 Wall Tower? One of my most cherished books is Berenice Abbott’s, ” Changing New York.” You guys are probably overtly aware of Abbott’s preservation of 1920′s New York in her photographic works :)

  146. kd December 24th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Happy Holidays Lohuders. I hope you all have a great time with those that are close to you

  147. Chip December 24th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Merry Christmas gang

  148. tomingeorgia December 24th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    jmills,
    That picture is of the RCA Building in Rockefeller Center, whatever the call it now. One of the greatest seduction restaurants of all time was the Rainbow Room on the top floor, if you could afford it, or the Rainbow Grill, one floor down. Ah, back in the day….

  149. jmills December 24th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Tom, here’s hoping you get there again! I took your advice and messed around in the kitchen last night :)

  150. tomingeorgia December 24th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    jmills,
    With whom?

  151. jmills December 24th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Tom,…me , myself and I along with the Corrs on in the background – look them up, you’ll want to marry all three sisters at once!

  152. tomingeorgia December 24th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Anyway, jmills, have as fine a Christmas as possible. It’ll be very interesting to see what we all have coming out of Spring Training.

  153. jmills December 24th, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    Well,…I’ve got my red light on above my door;…its on year round and sits in one of those minimal wire cages akin to U-boats in hunting mode. I wasn’t thinking of the ladies of the night reference ( honestly ) until my neighbour brought it up. Now, when I feel up to it, me and Sting go happily bellowing outdoors, ” Roxanne !!! ” Met sting, he even kissed my sista’,….geesh!

  154. tomingeorgia December 24th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Go over to RAB and see the picture on top of the column. Make sure you read the caption.
    Merry Christmas! http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....0/#respond

  155. jmills December 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    Tom, likewise,…let the fray begin!

    Consume wisely, mon amigo :)

  156. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    As teams seem to be valuing their draft picks a bit more, likely due to the fact that the amount of money you have to spend in the draft is directly proportional to your # of picks, maybe the Yankees should work a sign & trade with Soriano.

    What if they sign & traded Soriano to the Nats for Morse?

  157. jmills December 24th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    Tom, with Santa on the mound, there’s hope for all of us!; I throw submarine ( less strain )at this point, circa like Mark Eichorn.

  158. waka flocka December 24th, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    JF,

    why would the Nationals want Soriano?

  159. PacoDooley December 24th, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    As teams seem to be valuing their draft picks a bit more, likely due to the fact that the amount of money you have to spend in the draft is directly proportional to your # of picks, maybe the Yankees should work a sign & trade with Soriano.

    What if they sign & traded Soriano to the Nats for Morse?
    ———————————-

    Cannot sign and trade in MLB I believe. I think they cannot trade a newly signed player until either the spring training or maybe even June – I forget, but there is a sign-and-trade restriction

  160. 86w183 December 24th, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    You can sign and trade MLB free agents you sign IF they give their approval.

    You can not trade amateur free agents (daft picks) for one year.

    Unless I’m mistaken that is

  161. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    86 is right. Regular free agents can be sign&traded with their permission. Draftees cannot be traded for a year from signing. Boras has said he is working on potential sign & trades for his clients that have yet to sign if a suitable team wants them without giving up their draft pick. I heard that on XM.

    THe Nats may be interested in Soriano because bullpen is one of their only weaknesses. Clippard & Storen are good relievers but not great & Soriano could be a missing piece of the puzzle.

  162. Tar December 24th, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Isn’t a sign and trade “essentially” what the Mets and Toronto just did with Dickey?

  163. Tar December 24th, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    never mind Dickey wasn’t a FA.

  164. luis December 24th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    It’s almost 8 o’clock here… I wanted to wish everyone a merry christmas… Enjoy it tonight

  165. jmills December 24th, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Everybody, have a good one,….I’ve got some Rush albums to clean! :)

  166. Tar December 24th, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Hey Luis. Merry Christmas everybody.

  167. jacksquat December 24th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    If the Yankees signed Soriano in a sign and trade deal, would they lose their compensation pick since technically they resigned him?

    This sort of thing was outlined on MLBTR today, except the signing team had a protected first round pick and already lost their 2nd round pick (for Swisher). The Indians would lose their 3rd round pick in this scenario, which makes me think the above is true.

  168. austinmac December 24th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Merry Christmas, Luis.

  169. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    JS,

    The Yankees would not get the draft pick, but they’d also get their choice of prospect/player which can potentially be more valuable. The Yankees have no investment in how much Soriano signs for, just that he eventually signs somewhere, but they may want to try and benefit from these circumstances.

  170. Chip December 24th, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Jerkface,

    Mlbtraderumors was speculating on sign and trades today. I dont think the Yanks will do it. Requires too much imagination.

  171. Jerkface December 24th, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Agreed, chip, but xm was saying boras was the one pitching it so maybe he can do all the leg work and cashman just signs off :)

  172. tomingeorgia December 25th, 2012 at 5:34 am

    Good Christmas Morning!

    Hope everybody’s stockings were full.

  173. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 6:39 am

    Morning Mister Tom

    Here’s a more optimistic take on the Yankees for those so inclined :

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  174. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 6:41 am

    The Yankees need a Rt-handed hitting corner OF.

    Who’s it gonna be ?

  175. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 6:48 am

    For those of you not busy with Santa’s deliveries here’s another article which
    takes a stab at what Teams still might be looking for :

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

    Might help identify potential trading partners ?

    ;)

  176. Vineyard Yankee December 25th, 2012 at 6:52 am

    Happy Holidays Yankee Fans ! !

  177. Vineyard Yankee December 25th, 2012 at 7:01 am

    ‘The Troop’ with their Red Suited Friend.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zG4x_d3HuXdIq_iNAEQYQnpQnifuup1NBYkIAG87qYA?feat=directlink

  178. tomingeorgia December 25th, 2012 at 7:10 am

    No kids around this Christmas, so it’s still quiet here. Waiting for the spouse to get up so I can collect my coal.

  179. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 7:20 am

    MTU…

    Merry Christmas.

    I suspect it could be Juan Rivera or Matt Diaz though neither would be high on my list. Given the market I am still hoping for a trade (Willingham, Morse or Gentry in a bigger deal with Texas). If they do go the fa route then the best available options are Delmon Young and Lance Berkman if they are set on having someone take a one year deal. I think the Ross and Gomes contacts ended any realistic shot at Hairston.

  180. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Granderson to Texas for Murphy, Gentry and a prospect. Move Gardner to CF, use some of the savings to bring in Big Puma to dh.

  181. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Same 2 U Chip

    All the best.

    Guess we’ll find out in the next few weeks.

    That’s a glaring area of need right now.

    They need to balance that all LH hitting OF.

  182. blake December 25th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    Merry Christmas everyone!

    MTU,

    Did you get an Upton under your tree (either Justin or Kate)? I got to eat the cookies left for Santa but that’s about it…..

  183. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 7:25 am

    No one appears all that interested in Granderson.

    You trade him and you have a Grand-erson Canyon sized loss of power.

    And you need 2 OF’ers instead of just one.

  184. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 7:27 am

    Blake-

    We had a party last evening.

    Took in some strays.

    But no Uptons among them.

    :(

  185. blake December 25th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    “No one appears all that interested in Granderson.”

    I don’t know about this…. It may be simply that Cashman can’t trade him because he has nothing to replace him with.

  186. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    I think Texas would be interested, they lost a ton of power with Hammer and Napoli gone. Murphy and Berkman won’t replace Granderson’s power, but you will significantly cut the ks and they will still pop plenty of hrs.

    As an aside, I really do not get the Mariners. What are they going to do with three dhs? Morales at 1st on a regular basis? Montero and Jaso in a timeshare behind the plate? Ibanez in the of? Any way that’s their problem. I suppose Cash could talk to them about Casper Wells.

  187. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Blake…

    That could be it. It could also be that Cash just isn’t up to that item on his “to do” list or that teams that might be interested in Granderson were also in on Swisher and Hamilton and so they weren’t prepared to move until they came off the table.

  188. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    Ichiro
    Jeter
    Cano
    Tex
    Berkman
    Youk
    Murphy
    Romine
    Gardner

    Bench: Gentry, Cervelli, Nunez, Kelly Johnson

    That works for me.

  189. blake December 25th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Chip,

    I think the Braves, phillies, and Rangers could all use Grandy ….Texas probably the most.

    I think Texas is probably still trying for Upton and may not be willing to do anything else until that’s resolved….but again….unless the deal is like Olt and murphey for Grandy then Cash really can’t trade him without a replacement.

    It may be that there isn’t a deal out there that both gives the Yankees enough back longterm and replaces Grandy enough short term for the Yanks to actually move him….

    In that case…..trade for Morse….keep Grandy and got for it in 2013 and take the two draft picks you’ll likely get from those two

  190. blake December 25th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    Berkmans weak side is righty though and they really need a legit RH bat to balance this lineup out…..plus who knows what Lance even has left.

    Assuming the Nats sign Laroche…..Morse really does a lot for the Yanks….and I wouldn’t think he would cost a ton to aquire

  191. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 7:48 am

    Blake,

    This winter has me so confused. Based on the Shields and Dickey trades I don’t think it should be hard to get equal value for Granderson. If I have to settle for someone from Texas’s second level in a deal that lands Murphy and Gentry I am fine with that. Even if they just wanted to do Murphy, Gentry and Moreland that would work.

    I really think Granderson is going to go next month.

  192. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 7:50 am

    Huge fan of getting Morse, but for all the reasons I want him I think there will be a trade bidding war to get him. The smart play would have been to offer them Gardy for him before they got Span.

  193. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    You guys sure are optimists.

    Maybe even more than me.

    ;)

  194. blake December 25th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Chip,

    I think Shields and dickey were special cases…. shields has two years left until free agency and the royals wanted a frontline starter so bad they were willing to overpay for one…..and the Jays saw Dickey as the final piece to a potential playoff team …. Also knowing that dickey would accept a cheap Extension boosted his value

  195. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Btw…I know I slipped him in there, but what do you think of Kelly Johnson as a bench option.

  196. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    Shows ya’ what I know.

    I thought for sure that JU would be traded this Winter.

    Gave it about a 95% probability.

  197. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    Chip-

    I’d bet that Adams can give more than Johnson.

    Don’t need him.

  198. 86w183 December 25th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Morning folks and Merry Christmas!

    Kelly Johnson is a nice player, but he’s a LH bat…. other things must come first.

    Of course if Cano is going to be dealt, Johnson would be excellent insurance. Otherwise he could share the DH role with Nunez, play a little 2B/LF. I suspect he’d be an acceptable 3B once in a while too.

  199. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Nix, Nunez, and Adams are your potential Util guys.

    Need a solid RH OF’er and a LH hitting DH.

  200. 86w183 December 25th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    MTU —

    Don’t give up, winter just started a few days ago. I also think Upton will be moved. The Cody Ross signing virtually guarantees it, doesn’t it?

  201. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:08 am

    86-

    Cashman should have put just about everything on the table in an effort get Upton.

    But something tells me he didn’t, or hasn’t yet.

    JU is already better than any of our young OF’ers is ever likely to be.

    Hard for me to belive that Towers couldn’t find some things he’d want in exchange.

    We’ll see I guess. Your optimism is laudable.

    ;)

  202. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    And Merry Xmas, by the way.

    :)

  203. 86w183 December 25th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Not sure it’s optimism, I just hate admitting I’m wrong so I hold out as long as I possibly can.

    Time to fix the mimosas…. back later guys. enjoy the day!

  204. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    I think the Yankees should always be aiming high but we live in a time of diminished expectations so you have to factor that in.

    Don’t like Cashman’s new found religion of extreme prospect hugging.

    Most guys are nothing more than trade bait.

    The talk of all these guys producing at a high level when they haven’t even hit the majors yet just sort of boggles my mind.

    For every Austin Jackson there are 10 or 100 toolsy Melky Mesa’s.

    The Pendulum may be swinging too far in the opposite direction.

    Time will tell.

  205. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    I think the Ross deal means Kubel will be traded not Upton.

  206. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 8:20 am

    As for Johnson, I am not saying he is a major priority,but he would fill that Chavez role. Give the Yankees someone to bu in all four corners and 2b and has some life in his bat.

  207. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    I would like Adams to get at least a couple of months in AAA as he has never played at that level.

  208. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    And a belief that we will find our next “core 4″ in our Farm system is highly unlikely.

    We’d be lucky to get 1 or 2 really good ones much less another 4.

    That event was just like lightning striking and was a one off event IMO.

    It was just extreme good fortune.

    There are just so many Jeters, Mo’s, AP’s, and Posada’s in this world.

    And yes. I know many did not see them all coming but it was just luck.

    Can’t rely on that.

    ;)

  209. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:23 am

    And bernie’s.

    ;)

  210. Chip December 25th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Minor leaguers who could play roles this season:
    Abe and Zoilo Almonte
    David Adams
    CoJo
    Addison Maruszak
    Luke Murton
    Ronnier Mustellier
    Mark Motgomery
    Melky Mesa

    I am sure there are additional pitchers.

  211. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Chip-

    How many of those guys are really ML ballplayers ?

    ;)

  212. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    I mean good productive ones.

    And ones that the Yankees are really willing to be patient and let develop ?

    Close to zero ?

    ;)

  213. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    I am beginning to wonder if their isn’t something broken in the Yankees self-scouting at this time ?

    If there is it needs to be fixed. In a hurry.

  214. austinmac December 25th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Merry Christmas all. My grown kids don’t wake up early anymore. Just Santa. Mrs. Claus, the Jewish version, is stirring.

    I hope everyone has a good day.

  215. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Same to you Mac.

  216. austinmac December 25th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    I like Zoilo’s bat, particularly left handed, but man oh man, he made 11 errors in 95 games in the outfield for Trenton. That’s pretty hard to do. Most of the rest on the list, such as Mesa and Abe, seem not make enough contact. Those guys struggle with MLB pitching.

  217. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 8:53 am

    Mac-

    It will be shocking if more than 1 or 2 of those guys turns into a productive, every day ML ballplayer.

    It’s just not the way it works.

    If all it took was a Farm everyone would be a # 1 team.

    FA’s, and trades are were, are, and always will be essential.

    Especially for the NYY’s.

    We are not the Rays or the Twinkies.

    And if want to be just like them we should go and hire their guys because the Rays, in particular, are pretty good at it.

    We’re still learning.

    :)

  218. The Return of Stoneburner December 25th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Every scouting department has it’s wrinkles, even the Rays, or else the Rays would have Buster Posey right now. That decision and draft continues to haunt them to the tune of only making one ALCS trip since 2008.

  219. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    SB-

    When a sure-fire can’t miss guy like Montero hits .260 in his 1st season it shows you how hard it is to become a high-level, everyday ML player.

    There are very few Trout’s, Harper’s, Strasburg’s, or Lincecum’s who seem to come gift-wrapped for the Majors.

  220. The Return of Stoneburner December 25th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    I like the Yanks plan over the past few seasons and drafts re: their bullpen. They have done the same with the back of their rotation and possibly their bench in 2013. For me the key going forward is how to fill out slots 2 and 3 in the rotation after this season.

  221. The Return of Stoneburner December 25th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    MTU

    The Rays had the opportunity to draft Posey and dropped the ball. It is a significant ball to have dropped IMO – - – -

  222. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    SB-

    Pineda was supposed to be one of those.

    Another key is to have the Farm produce at least one good everyday OF.

  223. The Return of Stoneburner December 25th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Oh and happy holidays MTU – - – -

  224. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    SB-

    No team is 100% perfect w/o any misses.

    If you look at the drafting and development of Pitching I think the Rays are right there.

  225. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    Same to you SB.

    Peace, health, and happiness in the coming year.

    :)

  226. The Return of Stoneburner December 25th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Very true about pitching. I give Friedman credit for Moore and Jeremy – not so much for Price b-c he was a no. 1 overall and you would have to be incompetent not take him 1 overall. Garza and Archer were found by other organizations. Davis – meh. Shields I believe was there pre-Friedman. The offensive side of the development has been less than desirable. I do not give much credit for Longoria b\c he was a top 3 pick. They had the No. 1 pick in 2008 and blew it with Beckham over Posey.

  227. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 9:27 am

    The Mops want to go and see if they can locate Santa.

    Later.

  228. MTU December 25th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    Yes. It appears Beckham was an Epic fail compared with Posey.

    Back later.

  229. The Return of Stoneburner December 25th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Have a good one MTU – - – -

  230. Triple Short of a Cycle December 25th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    The offensive side of the development has been less than desirable. I do not give much credit for Longoria b\c he was a top 3 pick

    —————————

    You don’t give him credit for a top 3 pick but you criticize them for taking Beckham?

    No team is perfect in picking and developing players but any sane Yankee fan would choose the Tampa player draft and development over ours.

  231. blake December 25th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    @FeinsandNYDN: RT @PeteAbe: My HOF ballot had Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Raines, Schilling and Trammell. Here’s why: http://t.co/4hnGR3ip

    Pete got it right

  232. The Return of Stoneburner December 25th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Top draft picks you should get right, and if you miss, it is a terrible failure on your development staff. Plus you are only in the top part of the draft because your organization failed the year before. Picking no. 1 should be like shooting fish in a barrel. Again, Rays have been to 1 ALCS since 2008, that is what reality and sanity shows in the record book, that and that failed with th Beckham pick.

  233. scampy23 December 25th, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Merry Xmas guys!

  234. Tar December 25th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    “Pete got it right”

    I agree. Interesting that he changed his stance on PED’s. I’ve certainly given him enough crap over the years (usually for stuff that more about “opinion” ) but he’s a good baseball writer.

  235. DONNYBROOK December 25th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Until Jim Kaat is admitted to the HOF, there is NO WAY Schilling even gets a sniff. NO on Raines, same goes for Bagwell and Biggio. You guys continue to want to water it down. Might as well move it to Canton, and co-mingle with the diluted NFL Hall. And NO to the PED users. The Goose continues to be the guy “carding” wantabes at the gate. Good for him.

  236. jmv December 25th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Good morning, all! Merry Xmas!

  237. Tar December 25th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Not a fan of Schilling (obviously) but I think he deserves it. And no argument about Kaat either. He should be in as well.

  238. jacksquat December 25th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    blake December 25th, 2012 at 9:39 am
    @FeinsandNYDN: RT @PeteAbe: My HOF ballot had Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Raines, Schilling and Trammell

    Pete is one of those in the “we don’t know who used steroids that wasn’t caught so we’ll throw our hands in the air and let all the confirmed roiders in too” group.

    I don’t vote for Bonds, Clemens or Schilling (undeserving).

  239. Ys Guy December 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Raines was never the best player on his own team.

  240. Ys Guy December 25th, 2012 at 11:44 am

    while i agree that the ped guys probably beloing in the hof, i would not vote for them in their first year of eligibility. that’s just me. we know other cheaters are in and there will be more to come so there’s no sense in pretending it never happened.

    this is similar to the belated decision at the louis armstrong home and museum in corona (every music fan should visit this treasure) finally deciding to admit that ‘pops’ ,was a lifetime pot smoker and create a display to this important aspect of his life.

    sanitized museums are lies.

  241. jacksquat December 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    while i agree that the ped guys probably beloing in the hof, i would not vote for them in their first year of eligibility. that’s just me. we know other cheaters are in and there will be more to come so there’s no sense in pretending it never happened.

    Voting for them is pretending it never happened. As for previous players doing whatever, irrelevant.

  242. tucker December 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    Merry Christmas everybody. Here’s hoping (against all hope) that Hal brings a budget reprieve for Team Greedy.

  243. RadioKev December 25th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone.

  244. blake December 25th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    December 25, 2012 at 11:33 am
    Raines was never the best player on his own team.

    Also maybe the 2nd best leadoff hitter ever….

  245. tomingeorgia December 25th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    My wife just received a new Windows 8 Toshiba computer from her daughter, and I’m trying to set it up for her. I’ve got 7 Ultimate on mine, and like it fine, but 8 is WTF? Better innards I understand, by why change the whole interface? Looks like a “Windows 8 for Idiots” is my next purchase. I mean, I started with Unix and DOS, so I’m not clueless. I can’t find anything! Waste of a Christmas afternoon.

  246. ron December 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Windows 8 stinks.
    Not compatibale with anything.

    Windows 8 is a whole new world that you will have to learn.

  247. Bronx Jeers December 25th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    We received nothing from the Yanks but a stocking full of coal. Attendance was off a few points so we were deemed bad boys and girls.

  248. Nick in SF December 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Merry Christmas! I got a little wood block replica of Yankee Stadium with a check inside.

    So I was deemed a good boy by my Yankee paymasters.

  249. tomingeorgia December 25th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    ron,
    And getting rid of all the crap they send with it sucks, too.

  250. Against All Odds December 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Happy Holidays everyone :D

  251. tomingeorgia December 25th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    Everybody stuffed, or just upset by that Knick game?

  252. Against All Odds December 25th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    Maybe a lil of both

  253. tomingeorgia December 25th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    AAO,
    Or overwhelmed with family, maybe. I got a full tray of my wife’s gingersnaps, and I am very pleased.

  254. mick December 25th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    knicks put up a good fight…need another scorer and rebounder…happy holidays all!

  255. tomingeorgia December 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    Mr. mick,
    They have some good rebounders, but they fouled out somehow.

  256. mick December 25th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    mr tom…..chandler is beastly but they need an oakley for enforcer role…felton is killing us

  257. tomingeorgia December 25th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    mick,
    Who is Oakley-like that they could get (or draft)?

  258. ron December 25th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    The knicks wen’t from a terrible team a year ago,to an on the verge great team.
    With the righ plan in place,the yankees could of done the same,and imo,i think they blew it.

    But i think they will still compete because of cano,granderson,jeter,tex,and mainly,their pitching.

    I think they could of rebuilt with high end prospects,lowered payroll slightly,and still replaced most of the lost offense by simply trading cano,granderson,hughes,then signing hamilton,melky,ajp,and maybe a pitcher.

    Keep in mind with hamilton,melky,and maybe an olt,or another 3b ready prospect,we would not need ichiro,or youk,or another rh outfielder we are looking for now.

  259. mick December 25th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    tom
    a guy named pekovic on Minn Twolves is a bull.

  260. Against All Odds December 25th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    tomingeorgia December 25th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
    AAO,
    Or overwhelmed with family, maybe. I got a full tray of my wife’s gingersnaps, and I am very pleased.

    ————————–

    I haven’t had some gingersnaps in a while :)

  261. Against All Odds December 25th, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    ron December 25th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
    The knicks wen’t from a terrible team a year ago,to an on the verge great team.

    ——————–

    But you also have to remember the Knicks tanked multiple seasons just to reach this point.

  262. tomingeorgia December 25th, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    AAO,
    When matched with some key lime pie leftover from last night, those gingersnaps are fine!

  263. Against All Odds December 25th, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    I’m sure they hit the spot Tom. Nothing like good treats/food on a day like this

  264. ron December 25th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Yes but results alone,a big change in one year.

    I believe if the yankees maintained a good pitching staff,they would survive the change.
    They can’t keep signing every player to big contracts,and now that they are out of money,or against the lt threshhold do nothing.
    Can’t play it both ways.

    Trade the valuable players like cano,granderson,hughes,while getting high end prospects,collect draft picks,and still use the financial might that we still have.
    Clear payroll to add payroll,while still getting high end,almost ready,or ready prospects is the only way i can see this working,and it will only get worse as they tighten the ability to spend.

    Basketball teams do it all the time.
    Very quick turnarounds,with big trades,and not affraid to part with big name,good players.

  265. Against All Odds December 25th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Basketball teams do it all the time.
    Very quick turnarounds,with big trades,and not affraid to part with big name,good players.

    ———————

    But even in the NBA it takes a while and sometimes it doesn’t work out. Lakers trade Shaq, keep Kobe, draft Bynum(refuse to trade him) trade for Paau with excess parts, acquire good players through trades(Ariza, Odom, etc)

    But look at the Kings and even the T wolves after they traded Garnett away.

  266. rm December 25th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Sorry ti hear about Andruw getting arrested on batery charges. Io hope it is not as bad as it seems to be.

  267. rm December 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    ti = to lo = I, Wow I am a poor typist

  268. yanks61 December 26th, 2012 at 5:56 am

    Good morning everyone. I hope you all had a great Christmas.

    In case this hasn’t already been posted, here’s a former pro scout’s view yesterday on Austin Romine:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy

  269. Bronx Jeers December 26th, 2012 at 6:01 am

    Raise your hand if you googled Andruw Jones just to see if he was smiling in his mugshot.

  270. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Good Morning

    Happy post-Xmas.

    :)

  271. blake December 26th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Happy Boxing Day all …..

  272. upstate kate December 26th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Good morning!
    Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays

  273. Mike Ri December 26th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Morning All !!

  274. tomingeorgia December 26th, 2012 at 8:02 am

    Hello, folks!

  275. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 8:05 am

    Now that we’re back to talkin’ baseball.

    Who is our new RH-hitting OF gonna be ?

  276. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Definitely somebody cheap.

    Right ?

    Cashman doen’t have much to spend.

    ;)

  277. blake December 26th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    “Who is our new RH-hitting OF gonna be ?”

    Would you like the answer in English or “Morse” code

  278. blake December 26th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Of course the answer is probably nobody good…..

  279. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Blake-

    Put it in English and stick it on the Diaz of my balcony on the French Rivera.

    Thanks.

    :)

  280. blake December 26th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    mTU,
    You have a good Christmas? I’m give out….

  281. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Blake-

    We had a few friends over for Xmas eve. It was good.

    Did you spoil your Wife and the young SS’s ?

    Hope so.

    ;)

  282. blake December 26th, 2012 at 8:40 am

    MTU,

    Yea they are spoiled pretty good already ;)

  283. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Not much is likely to happen till after the New Year ?

  284. The Genius Maker December 26th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    First, Happy Holidays to everyone!
    Second, it drives me crazy that almost everyone keeps putting Ichiro at the lineup! Outside of the fact that the chances of this being a good signing are very slim, why would you want a guy who if he played at teh same level he played with the Yanks (doubtful) had an OBP of .340? The odds are that it will be less than that and I am tired of people putting speed at the top of the lineup regardless of whether they get on base. Further, Ichiro has clearly lost a step. Ichiro should play the Garnder role at the botton of the lineup against righties and Gardner should be at the top. Having Jeter and Ichiro at the top of the order is a recipe for disaster as we could have two outs on two pitches many innings and also if they can combine on a .350 OBP that would be lucky…that is pretty sad. only that the odds are is OBP is going to be around.

  285. tomingeorgia December 26th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    Mister MTU,
    The over/under on anything significant happening is 1. I took the under.

  286. blake December 26th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Gardner hasn’t played in a year….if he comes back and is in fact getting on base at a .360 clip and Ichiro isn’t then you can flip them…..be Ichiro hit well down the stretch while Gardner was hurt all year…..

    I don’t see a problem starting off with Ichiro near the top then adjusting

  287. The Genius Maker December 26th, 2012 at 8:58 am

    My main issue with the Yanks is that they keep signing these end of road guys when they have minor leaguers who are not getting developed and these minor leaguers can do at least what the Jones, Ibanez, Ichiro’s can do and do it for 6 mil less a year. Look at the year Dickerson had last year in the minors and the majors and how is he not given a chance? Last year we got rid of Justin Maxwell so we could sign all these old guys with no upside and right now we are looking for a player just like Maxwell. BTW, I came on here and said the same thing before we signed the others and wrote in my blog as well. Maxwell had an OPS of .892 last year for Houston against lefties. Shoot, we would pay a guy 7 mil for that easily. No development, no chance to develop, no upside and it cost us a lot more…makes no sense to me.

  288. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Tom-

    So I guess it’s Dullsville around here for a while then.

    :(

  289. The Genius Maker December 26th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    I know people want to wait and watch, but I am telling you now that Ichiro will not have an OBP of .350 and it is a mistake signing him because they will put him at the top of the lineup even if he doesn’t deserve it. It was Seattle, but in the 1000 AB’s before he came to the Yanks, Ichiro had on OBP of about .300. He will be 40 if the playoffs come around next year and call me skeptical that he can earn 13 mil a year for the next two years…but just as important is the lack of player development which is lost.

  290. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 9:15 am

    I am afraid most far overestimate how Ichiro will do. He has some value, but he has to hit .320 to have an acceptable OBP for a guy without power. Crazy that was the one signing for 2014.

  291. The Genius Maker December 26th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    2013 and 2014 unfortunately. If it was just for 2013 I would have at least said that this will clear the salary for the all important 2014 “yankee fiscal cliff.” But, what is wrong with playing Dickerson or someone else and save that money. I mean you take a Youk and an Ichiro and all of a sudden you have almost 20 mil for a real stud. the Youk signing at least has upside even if I was not a huge fan of it…

  292. The Genius Maker December 26th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    My philosophy with the Yanks is to have your studs (and why you don’t get rid of Cano) and then you fill in with young players coming up and a few spot specialists such as lefty specialist, right or lefty platoon specialist, a PR specialist and a defensive replacement specialist. That is a recipe for winning for a high payroll team.

  293. blake December 26th, 2012 at 9:34 am

    0I know people want to wait and watch, but I am telling you now that Ichiro will not have an OBP of .350 and it is a mistake signing him because they will put him at the top of the lineup even if he doesn’t deserve it”

    Maybe so….but the lineup currently is in trouble however you stack it and IMO Ichiro was resigned as much for marketing as anything else…..it’s a new world in Yankee land and what’s best on the field isn’t always what’s going to happen

  294. blake December 26th, 2012 at 9:38 am

    “My philosophy with the Yanks is to have your studs (and why you don’t get rid of Cano) and then you fill in with young players coming up and a few spot specialists such as lefty specialist, right or lefty platoon specialist, a PR specialist and a defensive replacement specialist. That is a recipe for winning for a high payroll team.”

    They can sign Cano….but if they do then their young players had better pan out cause if they don’t they are in major trouble if they plan to stick to this budget .

    Signing Cano would put them right around 132 million for 2014…..for 6 players.

  295. blake December 26th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    They can fill out the rest of the roster with 50 million if several spots are taken up with guys making the league minimum……maybe they are planning on doing that even if they aren’t ready or any good….

  296. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 9:50 am

    As a lifetime Mariner, I don’t see Ichiro nearing 3000 hits will do anything for Yankee fans. Japanese fans, no doubt, but I don’t see it as a money maker.

  297. blake December 26th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Mac,
    Ichiro was 3rd in jersey sells last year behind Jeter and Hamilton….and he brings in a lot of cash from Japan as well

  298. blake December 26th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    I think Ichiro was viewed as a cheap fan draw….so they signed him .

    I like Ichiro but he should be a platoon outfielder ….

    Hopefully they’ll get Morse and be able to sit whoever is struggling vs lefties

  299. DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Still trying to figure out why some Japanese owner would pay Andruw Jones $3.5 Mill. Must be the same guy that employs the Older Marty McFly in “Back To The Future 2″.
    The international coin Ichiro generates will More than pay for his salary, and that’s Priority 1 with Hal.
    Hope Boston closes that deal on Hanrahan. They have been throwing $$$ away, and are now doing likewise with Prospects.
    I want no part of Vernon Wells, FREE or not. All he does is eat up a roster spot and lead to a guy like Dickerson being thrown away. Been down that road.
    Seems like we have been waiting 6 months for the A-Rod surgery. He continues to be a persistent tooth ache whether playing or Not.

  300. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    I’m sure Ichiro will bring Japanese interest, but aren’t jersery sales divided among all the teams? My point was, I think, is attendance and TV ratings aren’t going to be impacted much, if at all.

    They simply have to add a right handed bat. They obviously need a right handed hitting outfielder, but they need offense. I like Nunez well enough, but he is no DH. His lifetime OPS is .701. His OPS in winter league this year is .588. These numbers can be tolerated for a platoon player or a middle infielder, but as a DH, he would be among the league’s worst.

  301. mick December 26th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    as blake says we will have 60m for 20 players in 2014.
    what FA will play for an AAV of 3m?
    i can take a down year or 2 if it means nurturing the youth along.
    most here won’t credit them of having a plan so i can sense the chaos they feel.
    i, for one, am not sure either…

  302. blake December 26th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    Mac,

    You and I see this stuff the same way more or less….they just don’t care what we think ;)

  303. blake December 26th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    If Heathcott and Austin and Romine and nova and Phleps and Montgomery and Pineda etc are all in the big leagues and producing in 2014 then they’ll be fine payroll wise…..

    .but if several of those names don’t pan out and contribute to offset payroll then they are royally boned

  304. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Blake-

    The odds of all of those guys becoming productive, everyday players are close to zero IMO.

    Especially in the time frame you have outlined.

    So I guess the Yankees are “royally boned”.

    :(

  305. DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Trading Cano solves a lotta Yankee problems.

  306. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Hey Blake -

    How about the Blue Devils. No one thought they’d be anything but a re-building team this year – surprise. :)

  307. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    The Yankees are not going to trade Cano.

  308. blake December 26th, 2012 at 10:46 am

    “How about the Blue Devils. No one thought they’d be anything but a re-building team this year – surprise. ”

    I hate him but its why K might be the best basketball coach ever

  309. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    Blake,

    We do typically agree, and they do invariably ignore our thoughts. +

    We have been pointing out the very dire payroll straights they are in for 2014. My persoanl view is they cannot compete in 2014. 2015 is quite doubtful. After that, my crystal ball loses foresight.

    What in the world are they going to do for starting pitching in 2014? They will need, at a minimum, a no. 2 and no. 3 starter, and this is a time where Liriano gets $7M per year for an ERA over the last two years over 5.00.

  310. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    So let’s review what’s going on in Yankees Land.

    Lower the caliber of the team we field, save lots of money, rise the ticket prices, screw the fans, and hope they don’t notice, sit back and get richer and richer, and maybe sell off the team for $2B, then laugh all the way to the bank.

    Sounds about right to me.

    Back in a bit. :)

  311. blake December 26th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 26, 2012 at 10:45 am
    Trading Cano solves a lotta Yankee problems.

    Except they wouldn’t compete in 2013…..

  312. blake December 26th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    They can compete in 2014…..

    all they need is for Pineda to come back healthy and be a front line guy….for Nova and phelps to be good….for Tex to not further decline….for Arod to get healthy and produce……for Heathcott and Austin and Romine to burst on the scene…..for Jeter to stave off age another year…..for DRob and Montgomery to be good etc

    Should be easy :)

  313. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 10:55 am

    MTU,

    I agree the Yankees will never trade Cano. However, doing so and getting a couple of top prospects, would do much to move the team forward from it’s precipitous condition.

    It appears they intend to keep him and sign him eating half the remaining money on one player or get a supplemental pick. Either option is bad, in my opinion.

    They have less foresight than available money.

    If the team believes this group can win, as is, they are very wrong. Either really go for it this year or go for the future. Going all out for 86 wins is pointless.

  314. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    I think signing Cano is probably a bad idea for what he will cost…..he will already be 31 and I don’t see his approach aging well and also think his defense could slip fairly quickly as well…..

    But….they probably will do it….and it probably will hamper them from making other moves in the future…..just seems like the way they operate

  315. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    If they could get Cano for 6 years or so then yea sign him…..but as I’ve said I think it’ll take at least 8 and probably 200 million to get him once he hits the open market

  316. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Mac-

    I understand the argument for Trading Cano but I just don’t think the Yankees would go there.

    We could be competitive this year if everything goes just right.

    But with this Geritol crowd what are the odds of that happening ?

    2014 will also take a lot of luck. This time with younger players.

    I’ve set my time machine for 4/1/2015.

    That’s about when I expect the Perfect storm to start to come together again.

    Might take till 2016 though.

    Until then I’ll try to take satisfaction wherever I can find it.

    ;)

  317. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    One writer who irritates me is Feinsand. He is clearly trying to butter up the Yankee brass. How can not signing Ibanez hurt the team with no replacement in sight? Yet, he criticizes fans for their concerns about it.

    He makes fun of fans for calling the team cheap by relying on the old 200 million dollar payroll for this year. Much of that is sunk cost he had nothing to do with. Not letting Cashman sign a major league catcher or sign anyone to a more than one year contract except a guy for income production is cheap. Knowing the team you field has a greatly reduced chance of winning for money reasons is cheap.

    This is not a team who struggles with enough income to pay the bills. That, I would get. Simply putting a far lesser product on the field for an even larger profit is cheap.

    Having a roster of legitimate MLB players for 2014 of 12-13 guys, and taking no steps to remedy that, is cheap.

  318. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Feinsand is one of the guys that might as well be on the Yankee payroll…. He never questions anything they do….

  319. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    MTU,

    We all made fun of the old Phils’ roster recently. Their team looks like a rookie league team in age compared to the Yankees.

    The Yankee brass used to say they intend to field a championship team every year. Then, they reduced expectations to a competitive team. The last comment by Cashman was they intend to field a representative team. In 2014, we will be told be be happy because they are fielding a team.

    I expect the 2014 team will have a few young players, but the bulk of the openings will be filled in Febrary, 2014 by the cheapest veteran players possible.

  320. chicken little December 26th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    One of the things I find humorous is that the Yanks are citing a desire for a “market correction” as a reason for not giving out long-term deals (i.e., they got screwed by giving long-term deals to A-Rod and Tex and don’t want to do that anymore). That said, the Yanks are apparently preparing to try and sign Cano to a huge contract. To me, if the Yanks want to get out of the business of giving contracts of 5 or more years that is fine. However, the Yanks should also remember what Reggie (and many others) always say: “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.”). I wouldn’t sign Cano to a long-term deal. A 31 year old 2b who never has put together a superstar season is not worth the money of an 8-10 year deal especially since he will be a broken down DH by year 6. Instead, knowing that all you get back is an extra draft pick if he walks, i trade him now for AAA level/MLB ready prospects and rebuild.

  321. Against All Odds December 26th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Stephen Keane ?@kranepool
    @FeinsandNYDN good to know you learned your Highlander lessons at the knee of Uncle Bill Madden

    lol haha

  322. Against All Odds December 26th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN
    @nomaas Here’s the thing … After 2015, they’ll be able to spend like crazy again with the tax reset. Lose the battle, win the war maybe?

    ———————–

    Oh Mark so naive

  323. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Mac-

    I am currently operating under the theory that young Stein wishes to sell the team in the not too distant future.

    I think that coupled with 189 explains alot.

    They are trying to walk a tightrope between the present and the future.

    Not slipping enough so that the fanbase mutinies nor spending so much that the balance sheet looks bloated and on an unsustainable trajectory to a prospective buyer.

    Good luck with that.

    In simple ranching terms they are merely fattening up the cow for slaughter.

    No more. No less.

    Prove me wrong Hal. I dare ya’.

    ;)

  324. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Right….spend like crazy again….keep spreading the propaganda

  325. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Blake-

    I take it you don’t believe him.

    :)

  326. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    It might be the best thing to happen to the Yankees, for the future, if they finish in 3rd or 4th place, Cashman gets the boot, Hal sells the team, and the new owners, (a Mark Cuban type) start spending like the Dodgers, and the team starts on a new era of winning lots of WS. The baseball stories will be of how, after the death of the Boss, his sons, having little love of the team or the game, almost destroyed a storied franchise.

    Yes, a sad commentary, but one that could play out.

    As for Cano, if he’s willing to sign for a max of 5 years, I say keep him, if not, I trade him for the best package offered, regardless of the team making the offer.

  327. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    “MTU says:
    December 26, 2012 at 11:24 am
    Blake-

    I take it you don’t believe him.”

    I think they have wanted to cut payroll for years and that they could possibly be leaning up for a sell….and using the CBA as cover for it

  328. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Cano won’t sign for 5 years…..if they went to him right now with the Tex contract then he might sign it but I doubt it….Boras wants to take him to free agency where he can pit pretty much all tr big market teams against each other

  329. Against All Odds December 26th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    Right….spend like crazy again….keep spreading the propaganda

    —————

    Lol does anyone honestly believe that this is a one yr thing?? What would be the point if it was smh

  330. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Mark Feinsand ?@FeinsandNYDN
    @nomaas Here’s the thing … After 2015, they’ll be able to spend like crazy again with the tax reset. Lose the battle, win the war maybe?

    ———————–

    Oh Mark so naive

    Feinsand is one of the guys in print & on MLB XM pushing the idea that this ’50% tax’ is what is pushing the steins to go austere. I cannot believe he is doing it out of ignorance, because a grown man should know that its marginal and this dreaded 50% tax rate is actually less than they have paid historically.

    For them to pay their high water mark in luxury tax, which was set around 2003 or 2004 I cannot remember, at the 50% rate their payroll has to be like 250 million.

  331. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Al-

    Boras is going to take Cano all the way to FA and set up a bidding war for his services.

    That means only one thing. A huge payday.

    If the Yankees decide not to pay the freight it just menas Robbie walks for a draft pick only.

  332. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    MTU -

    I disagree with some of what you’re saying. Afterall, this is the NYY, and any potential buyers are going to be buying the Yankees, and all the history of the team, knowing they could be a very dominate team once more, with the proper leadership, and the willingness to spend, therefore those balance sheets will have very little to do with it, just look at the Dodgers as a prime example.

  333. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    MTU,

    I agree with your assessment. They are trying to fool us one more year. I hope they are doing it to sell. They may be doing it because Hal no longer has the biggest yacht or fastest racehorse.

    Hal will never spend like crazy. He says balance sheets are his passion. What an interesting guy he must be.

    I do not think they will go over the cap in the future with this ownership group. The only possible exception is if they lose their a** in declining income. Or at least I hope that would influence their thinking.

  334. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Blake-

    I was just funnin’ ya’ but your hypothesis is certainly possible.

    Time will tell the tale.

    ;)

  335. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    I heard Feinsand on MLB radio, and I am convinced he believes they are taxed at 50% for the entire payroll. One would think a large metropolitan newspaper(not the Daily Planet) would have a reporter than knew what the heck he was talking about.

  336. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    Mike -

    If Cano whats to be a lifetime Yankee, he needs to be willing to do whats best for the team, as well as for himself. A Yankee offer of 5/105 would be my best offer, if he says no, wish him well, and close the book on him. The Yankees can not continue to give out contracts that prevent them from making future deals to improve the team, and fill holes, as we see happening today. I love Cano, but, I love the Yankees much more.

  337. mick December 26th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    as long as cash follows the marching orders of hal he’s not going anywhere, win or lose.
    hal is a blank slate now and will get away with murder.
    his grace period is going to expire in 2014 or 2015 and the result will be mass exodus at the stadium if he proves to be the cheapskate without a plan many portray him to be.
    if things dont pan out, even next year, the exodus will be slow but will escalate rapidly which could effect his timeline.

  338. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Folks that write about and talk about baseball for a living have no excuse not to understand what they are talking about…..

    Not understanding the CBA or how the taxes work….not understanding WAR relative to HOF voting etc….

  339. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Al-

    It’s true that the Yankee brand is the greatest in the World.

    It would take a lot to kill it. Might even be impossible.

    But a lot of damage can be done by the wrong owner.

    Guess that just creates a buying opportunity for the savy investor (like you :) )

    Still IMO the Steins would not want the revenue stream to look too bad I would think.

    Just find that “sweet spot” between costs and revenue generation.

    Makes it even easier and ups the price.

    We’re gonna find out what the truth is before too much longer.

  340. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 11:38 am

    blake -

    Are you even a little surprised at people having jobs that they are not qualified for, just look around you, at every level, and tell me there is no excuse. :)

  341. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Al-

    That may be what the Yankees wind up doing with Cano.

    Making him a competitive offer and then just sitting on it.

    I just don’t think Cano is going to be giving any discounts, and if I were him I wouldn’t either.

  342. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    “Are you even a little surprised at people having jobs that they are not qualified for, just look around you, at every level”

    I believe that is called the “Peter principle”.

    ;)

  343. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    I don’t know how much can be laid at Cashman’s door. For all we know, Hal wouldn’t let Cashman bid heavily for Cespedes, Darvish, Soler and the like. He sound like the puppet he once was under George only the puppeteer is putting on a different show.

    The yankees have made a fortune becasue they win or at least have tried their hardest to do so. Some have attributed the playoff empty seats to the Atlanta Braves phenomenon. That may be partially true, but doesn’t tell the whole story. Even if that were true, can you imagine teh disinterest in a losing team.

    I have predicted and do again, a 10% attendance decline this year with much more to come with this “plan”. If the average ticket and concession expenditure is $80 per person and the decline is 380,000 people, that is $30 million in losses. I have no idea how to calculate revenue losses from declining TV ratings.

    I believe they are playing with fire. The Yankees can very much go the way of the Mets in driving away the fans. It is foolhardy to believe the Yankees fans will continue to spend their money on a poor, uninteresting team.

  344. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Mike -

    My point was the Dodgers were bankrupt, the team was not competitive, and yet they got a huge price at sale.

    Given how much better the Yankees situation is, they could go for near $2B, not a bad investment by George. Too bad the only family member that has George’s love of team and game doesn’t have any balls, but, then again, neither do her brothers!

  345. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    The Yankee brand can be severely damaged. Look at the attendance figures for the past 50 years. They fluctuate dramatically, only being high when the team is good.

    That said, the team would sell for a fortune because the potential for huge income exists in New York like perhaps no other location.

    The Peter Principle is likely even more applicable when your rise is as the result of a bloodline.

  346. chicken little December 26th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Problem is, Hal and the gang were too young/not truly involved in the 1980s/early 90s. They probably don’t remember a 15,000 people full stadium back then. of course, TV, etc … add revenues, but $50 million saved in taxes won’t be worth it given declining attendance, lack of major revenue for no postseason.

    Plus, it takes a while to build back up. If the Yanks stink for a couple of years, a good/great 2015 will not mean a major immediate spike in attendance.

  347. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    “I don’t know how much can be laid at Cashman’s door. For all we know, Hal wouldn’t let Cashman bid heavily for Cespedes, Darvish, Soler and the like. He sound like the puppet he once was under George only the puppeteer is putting on a different show.”

    It’s absolutely this IMO

  348. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Michael Kay and his wife are using a surrogate to have a baby. Kay, now 52, will turn 70 when his child graduates HS. I guess he wants to leave his fortune and name to live on.

    Hope they are all happy, the down side is, this is all we’ll be hearing during the games next season.

  349. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “The Yankee brand can be severely damaged. Look at the attendance figures for the past 50 years. They fluctuate dramatically, only being high when the team is good.”

    If you’re Hal though and you just saw the Dodgers sell for over 2 billion after McCourt severely damaged that team and brand….do you really care? I mean whoever buys the Yanks will be buying potential just like the group that bought the Dodgers did

  350. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Al-

    I think they’d go for considerably more. Especially if the balance sheet looks inviting.

  351. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Got to go, y’all be good, and if your in the path of this big storm, be safe!

  352. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    MCCourt ran the Dodgers in the ground but because they were still the Dodgers the franchise still had tremendous value…..the Yankees will always be the Yankes

  353. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Blake-

    I think Jeter is gonna make a mint when he takes over.

    ;)

  354. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Perhaps, they don’t care if the plan is to sell. If they intend to keep the team, Balance Sheet Hal better care about both sides of the income statement.

  355. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    New thread —->

    Hallelujah !

    :)

  356. blake December 26th, 2012 at 11:57 am

    MTU,

    Yea….Jeter doesn’t have enough money to buy a team let alone the Yankees….however if they are sold then whoever buys them would be smart to make him a partner like Magic is with LA….. Just for him to be the face….

  357. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    I don’t think Jeter has any interest in owning a team. AROD probably does. I think Jeter can find something or someone to keep him busy. Boy can he ever.

  358. Against All Odds December 26th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Feinsand is one of the guys in print & on MLB XM pushing the idea that this ’50% tax’ is what is pushing the steins to go austere. I cannot believe he is doing it out of ignorance, because a grown man should know that its marginal and this dreaded 50% tax rate is actually less than they have paid historically.

    ———————-

    Francesa has been doing the same thing for the past few months. “The Yankees are going to be severely taxed. Baseball put in a salary cap”

    I seriously think some of these guys haven’t even gone in depth about the tax like we have on here.

  359. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Jeter has said in interviews he wants to own a team.

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