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Can the Yankees’ offense be better in 2013?

Posted by: vmercogliano - Posted in Misc on Dec 26, 2012 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Good morning all! Vincent Mercogliano here filling in for the next few days while Chad spends some well-deserved time off. Obviously, there isn’t much news to report from the past few days (other than the brand new Fender acoustic guitar that I received for Christmas!), but as I’ve sat back and taken in this offseason from afar, there is one prevailing question that I haven’t been able to stop asking myself.

Much has been made about the Yankees’ lack of moves thus far, as it’s become more apparent that Hal Steinbrenner and Yankees’ management is truly committed to a more frugal and methodical philosophy. While we’ve been repeatedly told that this was coming, with the way that the Yankees’ season ended, no one would have been shocked to see them shake things up a bit. The offense epically flamed out in the postseason, and you know if The Boss was still around at least a few heads would have rolled. The Yankees’ lineup collectively struggled in a way that I cannot recall in the last 15 years.

Now, there’s two ways of looking at the lack of production when it mattered most. You either believe the bats simply went cold at the wrong time, or you believe that the offensive deficiencies were exposed through good pitching and postseason pressure. The Yanks scored plenty of runs in the regular season (804, to be exact), but managed just six in a four-game sweep against the Tigers in the ALCS. It was as if Eric Clapton suddenly forgot how to play “Layla.” There was something undeniably alarming about the struggles that plagued the team in October.

So, now that I’ve tip-toed around the point long enough, here is what I’m getting at: Do you think that the Yankees should have looked to make more drastic changes in light of how things went down in the playoffs? I think they deserve credit for not overreacting and overpaying for someone like Josh Hamilton, but with Nick Swisher and Russell Martin signing elsewhere and A-Rod out until midseason, this offense is not any better on paper. The one significant addition is Kevin Youkilis, but the Yankees are clearly putting their faith in the ability of guys like Robinson Cano, Mark Teixeira and Curtis Granderson to carry the team. There is still time to bring one or two more bats in, but the pickings are getting slim, which means the Yankees will likely enter next season with less firepower than we’ve been accustomed to. The pitching should remain strong, but do you have enough confidence in the guys on the current roster to believe that this team can be better in 2013?

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476 Responses to “Can the Yankees’ offense be better in 2013?”

  1. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Probably not.

    Here is the team’s run scored

    2008 789
    2009 915
    2010 859
    2011 867
    2012 804

    The offense last year was already ~50 runs worse than 2010-2011. Its more likely to be 20 runs worse than it is better. Does the team look more like a 2008 offense or a 2011 offense?

  2. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Better No.

    As good. Maybe. If everything goes extremely well.

    Not likely though IMO.

    I think the Pitching is going to have to carry this team more than ever.

  3. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    There are a lot of “If’s” built into this years offense.

  4. Triple Short of a Cycle December 26th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    Jerkface,

    You mentioned a couple of days ago about a correlation between hitters stats in the regular season against top pitching and how that translated to post season numbers.

    Did you have a link for that?

  5. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Did you have a link for that?

    No it was from an MLB interview by Vince Gennaro or something. He said its private numbers he ran. Blake says he is on clubhouse confidential sometime, but I’m not sure MLB would let him use that platform to suggest Hamilton secretly blows.

  6. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Let me see if I can handle this tough question.

    They lost critical members of the offense not to replace them.

    Teixiera has declined four straight years. Youkilis looks like he is declining even more precipitiously. Ichiro is a year older. Jeter is a year older and trying to return from abroken ankle.

    The starting catcher will very likely have an OPS below .650.

    They have lost close to a hundred home runs on a team that had trouble scoring in other ways.

    Their DH, Nunez, has an OPS is winter ball of .588.

    Clearly, the answer is no. Not only no, but heck no.

    On the pitching side, it could be good, but risks exists. CC’s elbow surgery and the no. 2 and 3 starters are old. Hughes is, who knows? Nova and Phelps? We can hope, but certainly a wide variety of outcomes are possible from both of them.

  7. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    No

  8. Against All Odds December 26th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Feinsand is one of the guys in print & on MLB XM pushing the idea that this ’50% tax’ is what is pushing the steins to go austere. I cannot believe he is doing it out of ignorance, because a grown man should know that its marginal and this dreaded 50% tax rate is actually less than they have paid historically.

    ———————-

    Francesa has been doing the same thing for the past few months. “The Yankees are going to be severely taxed. Baseball put in a salary cap”

    I seriously think some of these guys haven’t even gone in depth about the tax like we have on here.

  9. chicken little December 26th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Since all that is left on the FA market is an assortment of parts, the Yanks need to sign a bunch of guys to minor league/one year deals and hope that out of 8 or 9 of them, they can cobble together decent production to make up for the losses. Banking on old guys to match last years’ production/bounce back with the hope that everything else is extra/not needed is foolish.

  10. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    I’ve seen him on clubhouse confidential several times….makes sense that Beltran and Jeter would be two of the better hitters vs the best pitching as they have been guys that hit well in the playoffs….

  11. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    The Yankees offense could be better than last year if Tex improves and if Youkallis rebounds….and if Cano hits lefties again and if Jeter repeats his 2012….and if Granderson is closer to 2011….

    How likely are those things? I think Cano may hit lefties again….the rest of those things are ?

  12. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    Understand that the media gets more access and information when they are spinning positive stories. I bet Sherman isn’t getting insider tips from Girardi. They either don’t know the truth or are afraid to state it and lose their access.

  13. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    On clubhouse confidential a few weeks ago they showed the top 5 hitters vs the “best pitching ” and the worst 5 vs the “best pitching ”

    I can’t remember all the names but do remember that Jeter and Beltran were on the best list…..and Granderson and Hamilton were on the worst list

  14. swishghost December 26th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Let kids play…. There are no good FAs.
    Trade grandy and cano for some prospects.
    Blow up the team. Trade CC too!

  15. DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    You guys eyeballin’ the Yankee offense, is like a blind squirrell attempting to find an acorn. The offense of Any team starts with the guy pulling the levers. Girardi has gotta change his 3 Run Homer philosophy. Start there, and Then proceed with the blather.

  16. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    If Ichiro can produce at a high level for an entire season
    If GGBG can bounce back and stay healthy
    If Youkilis can bounce back and stay healthy
    If Cervelli and Romine can produce at a reasonable level
    If Jeter can fight off Father Tim for another year
    If Grandy can get back to being the player he was the year before last

    That a lot of “If’s”.

    Too many actually.

    ;)

  17. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Every team has ifs ….the Yanks just have a whole lot of them….and a whole lot of them with serious risk of going the wrong way.

  18. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Here is the a video which looks to have a list:

    http://mlbnetwork.mlb.com/vide.....id=7417714

    Hamilton has a .400 point spread between bad pitching & good pitching 8o

    1. Hamilton .433
    2. Chris Davis .424
    3. Granderson .378
    4. Jay Bruce .343
    5. Ian Kinsler .305

  19. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Blake-

    Exactly my point.

    There are too many things that have to go right.

    Taking out some insurance would have been a good idea but that just wasn’t in the cards.

  20. Triple Short of a Cycle December 26th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Thanks JF

  21. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Interesting that all of those guys are lefty except Kinsler…..

  22. jacksquat December 26th, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am
    Probably not.

    Here is the team’s run scored

    2008 789
    2009 915
    2010 859
    2011 867
    2012 804

    The offense last year was already ~50 runs worse than 2010-2011. Its more likely to be 20 runs worse than it is better. Does the team look more like a 2008 offense or a 2011 offense?

    Average runs scored per game, AL:

    2008: 4.78
    2009: 4.82
    2010: 4.45
    2011: 4.46
    2012: 4.45

    btw, in 2000 it was 5.30

    Run scoring has gone down across the league.

    Batting average, AL:

    2008: .268
    2009: .267
    2010: .260
    2011: .258
    2012: .255

    2000: .276

    Same pattern.

  23. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm

    MTU,

    Maybe they’ll do something yet….we shall see

  24. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Yes offense is down around the league & majors, but run scoring has plateaued the last 3 years while the Yankees dropped 50 runs. Not good.

  25. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

    They still might do something. The outfield situation must be attended to, and in my view, so must the DH position.

  26. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Subtracting Swisher, Martin, and Arod from the offense and Adding Gardner, Nobody at catcher, and Youakllis isn’t likely to be a net gain….especially when you factor in probable regression from Jeter and possible further decline from Tex and Granderson

  27. Tyler December 26th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Sounds like Andruw Jones didn’t have a very good Christmas…

  28. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Trading for Morse fixes a lot….he balances the lineup with a legit RH bat and also can push either Ichiro or Gardner or Granderson to the bench vs LHP

  29. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Tyler says:
    December 26, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    Sounds like Andruw Jones didn’t have a very good Christmas…

    Adter seeing Andrew in the 2nd half it’s tough to believe he made contact with anybody

  30. Yankee Trader December 26th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    “Now, there’s two ways of looking at the lack of production when it mattered most. You either believe the bats simply went cold at the wrong time, or you believe that the offensive deficiencies were exposed.”
    —————————————–
    The team was exposed. Hitting from the left side vs the shift. Many couldn’t hit off-speed pitches.

    Now I expect the possibility further exposure. Will teams with speed just run until our weak catching staff can throw them out? Is Ichiro or Gardner the better bet batting leadoff?

    Too many questions with this team as assembled so far, and with the opening day payroll also probably close to last years, nearly 210M, there is little hope that the holes can be filled with productive bats.

  31. Tyler December 26th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    blake-

    It’s a very serious issue but I gotta admit that my first thought was how many times he swung and missed before contact, haha.

  32. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Hanrahan trade is done. Players involved being informed by #RedSox and #Pirates. Don’t know exact names yet.

  33. DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Bottom Line is W’s. The -50 don’t mean squat, as it’s All relative. Your lookin’ at so Many numbers, you got “shotgun” vision, and therefore can Not focus on that which is important. What new?

  34. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Tyler says:
    December 26, 2012 at 12:37 pm
    blake-

    It’s a very serious issue but I gotta admit that my first thought was how many times he swung and missed before contact, haha.

    My guess about the 10th…..it is bad though….sad to hear ….

  35. kd December 26th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    never underestimate the power of a walk year.

    grandy watched was swish got and knows a strong year can get him more. texas might give him stupid money to replace hamilton’s power

  36. Tyler December 26th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Hanrahan’s been really good the last 2 years although his walks were pretty high last year. It’s the first move that the Sox have made (other than Napoli but who knows if that goes through) that actually effectively addresses a big issue from last year. But relievers outside of Mariano are so fickle that it’s far from a sure thing. Definitely better than Aceves last year lol.

  37. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Blake-

    Oh yeah. They will definitely do some other things.

    Like a Diaz or Rivera.

    But that’s not what I meant by insurance.

    ;)

  38. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Melancon is among players going from #RedSox to #Pirates for Hanrahan, as previously reported. Sands, Pimentel also in, per reports.

  39. mick December 26th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    how good the yanks are depends on how bad the rest are.

  40. mick December 26th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    love the walk year theory.
    look for cano and grandy to have huge years.
    even youk.

  41. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    An argument can be made that they have all improved in the AL East.

    Some significantly.

    ;)

  42. mick December 26th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    yanks better fatten up on the NL and AL Central and West then.

  43. Yankee Trader December 26th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Now I suppose one can look at it as the glass half full now with the chance to be completely filled by July IF:

    No one else gets injured.
    ARod returns and puts up good numbers.
    Pineda comes back 100%, developes a CU, and becomes his first half 2011 Mariner version.
    The Steinbrenners allow Cashman to trade for needs if the team is still in contention.

    These are only a few conditions that might have us feel more confident in the Yankees for the upcoming season.

    2014 is another story.

  44. blake December 26th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    @alexspeier: #redsox announce deal is Hanrahan and IF Brock Holt for Pimentel, Sands, Melancon, DeJesus

  45. mick December 26th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    if the yanks are to be reinvented nobody can realistically say they are enamored with our future.
    the Bronx Bombers as we know them are a brand.
    if it is retooled a la the Dave Collins years it will not work.
    Next year we could surprise, as players with pride like CC and Andy could carry us one more time.
    if, and as soon as it fails, Hal will be ridden out of town.

  46. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Interleague play is not a large portion of the schedule.

    The largest number of games are between the Yankees and their AL East opponents.

    There are no weak Sisters like there used to be in that division.

  47. mick December 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    at least we know ichiro and jete will be back for 2014.
    and that chone figgins will get a minor league contract.

  48. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Seems pretty cheap for Hanrahan + Holt

  49. mick December 26th, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    The largest number of games are between the Yankees and their AL East opponents.
    ======================
    then we better fatten up on the redsox.
    you know the jays o’s and rays will be up for us like the sox used to be.

    .500 ball vs them and .600 ball vs the rest is 90 wins.

  50. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    how the rs draws will b interesting.
    they are a no name new name group without an identity.
    they should draw at 1st but look for a bailout if they don’t win or dont capture the fans imagination.
    sort of like a test case for us. (not this year)

  51. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    The Sux have improved too Mick.

    ;)

  52. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Mick,

    Good recall on the Collins’s years. I think I repressed those memories.

  53. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    mtu
    one would think they have nowhere to go but up but the key remains pitching and they are still iffy.

  54. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    mac
    remember those years when george became a speed freak?
    that lasted about 1/2 a season if i recall.
    ideally hal could come up smelling like roses if his plan is to phase in youth but he is anchored to his HOF IF if he keeps cano, which he could very well let walk.

    he seems the type.
    where his dad was the opposite.

    well, he did let reggie walk…

  55. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Mick-

    I definitely agree with the 1st part of your statement.

    Farrell is back and that should help their pitching considerably IMO.

  56. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    how the rs draws will b interesting.
    they are a no name new name group without an identity.

    The most popular red sox players still play for the team.

  57. RMS December 26th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    I think the Pitching is going to have to carry this team more than ever.

    —————————————————————————
    Your right about that.
    I know you can’t go back, but I feel the Yankees made a big mistake not signing Melky. 2 years at 16 million they wouldn’t do for a switch hitter who could play left, right or center.
    I guess they preferred Youk at 1 year, 12 million.

  58. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    I definitely agree with the 1st part of your statement.
    ===================
    mtu-i knew you would.
    still think we play the jays, rays and o’s .500 and beaT up on sox as we have the past 2 years(maybe 1 1/2) then get to 90-95 wins with the rest.

  59. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    I know you can’t go back, but I feel the Yankees made a big mistake not signing Melky. 2 years at 16 million
    =============
    but he wasn’t giving anyone other than ichiro 2 years.

  60. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    The most popular red sox players still play for the team.
    ================================
    just ortiz and pedroia.

  61. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    still think we play the jays, rays and o’s .500 and beaT up on sox as we have the past 2 years(maybe 1 1/2) then get to 90-95 wins with the rest.

    Yankees are .500 against the Sox the past 2 years, crushed em last year but were awful against them in 2011.

    Yankees need to take advantage of the indians, astros, twins, & mariners as the rest of the AL is far more evenly matched than the Yankees are used too.

  62. kschappert December 26th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    Yanks 12 postseason was not an aberration–just a little extreme–Swish NEVER hit in Oct. and Cano not consistently–time for some performance-if Tex, Cano, Grandy getting big money they should carry team–Yanks gettin little value from Tex last 2 years–will they be better offense–IMO ’13 offense more versatile but many ?s

  63. Tyler December 26th, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
    The most popular red sox players still play for the team.
    ================================
    just ortiz and pedroia.
    ——————————————————

    Lester and Ellsbury are pretty popular too.

  64. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    just ortiz and pedroia.

    And Lester. The Red Sox dumping Crawford, A-Gon, & Beckett doesn’t much impact the ‘face’ of the team. Pedroia & Ortiz is like the Red Soxian Derek Jeter. Imagine the 2015 Yankees without Mo, Jeter, & Pettitte.

  65. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Mick-

    Nice plan. Just not sure it’s gonna work quite that way.

    Not sure we’re goin’ .500 against the Jays, or the Rays.

    And I do not think we’re gonna “beat up” on the Sux this year.

    Anyway, I see the Team as in Transition.

    Might finish out of the money for a coupla years because of it.

    I hope if Hal sells the club he sells it to an Owner who has fire in his belly and a checkbook to match.

  66. kschappert December 26th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    BTW with Ichiro in right Swish will not be missed–on offense or defense

  67. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    Lester and Ellsbury are pretty popular too.
    ====================
    lester has disappointed as has ellsbury who will be gone in 2014.
    this is nothing like the rs of the 00′s as they have been dismantled since the chicken and beer incident.

  68. RMS December 26th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    but he wasn’t giving anyone other than ichiro 2 years.

    ============================================================
    Melky was signed before Ichiro. If it were my decision, I would have given Melky 2 years and not signed Ichiro.

  69. Yankee Trader December 26th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    I believe the Yankees now play each AL east opponent 19 games each, one more than before.

  70. turk December 26th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    ….the Yankee’s are not designed to take advantage of Yankee stadium …there will be many problems..anyone not recognizing that is delusional.

  71. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 1:23 pm

    Basic Position Players as of now for 2013 Season:
    DH……….. 26 Eduardo Nunez (+) over Jones at DH
    C……….. 72 Austin Romine (+) over hitless wonder in Martin
    1B……….. 25 Mark Teixeira (+) over his 2012 Numbers (played hurt all year
    2B……….. 24 Robinson Cano (+) (I believe he will peak in 2013)
    SS……….. 2 Derek Jeter (-) DJ may not be as good as 2012 version but should be very good still
    3B……….. 13 Alex Rodriguez (-) Don’t expect much till AS Break or later
    LF……….. 11 Brett Gardner (+) Hopefully produces & stays healthy (Better than 2012 LF options)
    CF……….. 14 Curtis Granderson (+)
    RF……….. 31 Ichiro Suzuki (+) I think Ichiro produces at a high level in 2013. > 2012 Swish #s
    inf/of……. Jayson Nix () same
    BUC……… 19 Chris Stewart () same
    inf……….. Kevin Youkilis (+) I think he has 1 more good year in him & he does great in 2013
    of……….. 27 Chris Dickerson ()

    If all stay healthy, then playoffs would include ARod & Youk as RH bats at DH & 3B. I don’t think they are finished yet either.

  72. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Hal seems to be a boy scout unlike George.
    Does not seem to believe in 2nd chances or getting his hands dirty with guys of questionable character.

  73. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    lester has disappointed as has ellsbury who will be gone in 2014.
    this is nothing like the rs of the 00?s as they have been dismantled since the chicken and beer incident.

    Disappointed doesn’t mean much since we’re talking about the draw & face recognition of the team rather than performance. If disappointment is the measuring stick Red Sox fans will be happier now that Crawford, Beckett, & A-Gon are out of the picture.

    They have Pedroia, the rat face of the team, Ortiz, Lester, Ellsbury, and new players like Middlebrooks to latch onto.

  74. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    I believe the Yankees now play each AL east opponent 19 games each, one more than before.

    The schedule has always fluctuated between 18-19 games. It was 18 for the past few years, was 19 in 2005 or 2006.

  75. Yankee Trader December 26th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    Frim RAB’s a few minutes ago:

    “Several people asked: What about Alfonso Soriano?

    Soriano, 37 next month, is coming off a .262/.322/.499 (116 wRC+) line with 32 homers this past season, his best performance in about four years. He’d hit .248/.305/.463 (100 wRC+) in nearly 1,600 plate appearances from 2009-20112 until the dead cat bounce in 2012. Soriano did not benefit from BABIP luck — his .303 mark exactly matched his career average — but his HR/FB rate did spike back up to 17.8% after sitting at 12.4% from 2009-2011 (17.1% from 2006-2008). There is an explanation for that.”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....ano-80844/
    ——————

    What about Soriano, IF, the Cubs eat enough of the contract to make him a 5M/year Yankee for the next two years? Cheaper and more easily obtainable than Michael Morse?

  76. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    RayVt

    I like your assessment and have stated the same before.
    The pitching is also better.
    I can see another 1st place finish next year as the losses of Swisher and Martin are way overplayed.

    I see the addition of Youkilis and Gardner as offsetting and Arod down the stretch .

    We should also see more timely hitting .

  77. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    RayVt,

    Its awfully optimistic to count Romine as a plus over Martin.

  78. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    YT

    the 2nd yr of soriano might spook hal.

  79. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    SP1……… 52 CC Sabathia (+)
    SP2……… 18 Hiroki Kuroda ()
    SP3……… 46 Andy Pettite (+)
    SP4……… 65 Phil Hughes (+)
    SP5……… 47 Ivan Nova (+)
    SP6……… 41 David Phelps (+)
    CL……….. 42 Mariano Rivera () – Expect about the same as Soriano
    SU……….. 30 David Robertson (+)
    LH……….. 48 Boone Logan (-)
    RP1……… 62 Joba Chamberlain (+)
    RP2……… 76 Cesar Cabral (+)
    RP3……… 35 David Aardsma (+)
    RP4……… 39 Clay Rapada ()
    RP5……… 38 Cody Eppley ()

    I expect the overall pitching to be better in 2013 than 2012. A lot of quality arms. I expect a bounce back from Nova & more consistency from Hughes. I like this staff.

  80. MaineYankee December 26th, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    Jerkface

    The last few years have changed how RS fans perceive Lester, Ellsbury and Pedroia.

    Read their blogs or listen to the call in shows and they have wanted all of them gone at one point during the last 2 seasons.

  81. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Ray-

    Don’t think many people believe that our Pitching will be an issue.

    I sure don’t.

    Nor will our D be a problem.

    The O ?

    Well that’s more open to debate.

    A lot of things have to go right there if it is not to regress signifcantly.

    ;)

  82. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Yankees pitching should be good, but its very risky as the 3 most important pieces are old injury risks.

  83. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    I understand that, but Martin of 2012 wasn’t nearly as good as Martin of 2011. Remember he was hitting .160 at one time & his defense sucked. Passed balls galore (w/o AJ throwing in rotation too) & who could remember him throwing anyone out. I do remember a lot of balls thrown into CF. Martin was also very streaky with several games with a lot of hits.

    Romine I believe can hit .250 with 15 HR in 2013. His defense is far better than Martins. I thought Martin handled pitchers well & that will be missed, but with Girardi & Pena as coaches they should be able to help Romine out calling the game.

  84. umbrelladoc December 26th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Would love to see Swisher’s OPS spread with regard to top and bottom tier pitchers – he seems like another guy that good pitchers can pitch to. The other thing to think about is run prevention – an OF of Granderson, Gardner, Ichiro ought to prevent a lot more runs than Ibanez/Jones, Granderson and Swisher.

  85. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    JF-

    Yes. There is age-related risk in our Pitching but at least we have some decent replacements for some of it. Particularly the backend.

    With the O there is even less margin for error, and IMO way less depth.

  86. blake December 26th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    @joe_sheehan: It’s no better than 60/40 that the #RedSox got the best reliever in their trade with the #Pirates. It’s probably a coin flip.

  87. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Yankees pitching should be good, but its very risky as the 3 most important pieces are old injury risks.
    =================
    Mo has been old for a while now and like Andy came off freak injuries not related to conditioning.
    I guess the 3rd is Kuroda who pitched like a 20 something last year.

  88. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    @joe_sheehan: It’s no better than 60/40 that the #RedSox got the best reliever in their trade with the #Pirates. It’s probably a coin flip.
    =========================
    How ill Bailey take this move?

  89. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Romine I believe can hit .250 with 15 HR in 2013. His defense is far better than Martins. I thought Martin handled pitchers well & that will be missed, but with Girardi & Pena as coaches they should be able to help Romine out calling the game.

    Based on what? Romine’s defense is basically 2012 Russell Martin except Romine is doing it in the minor leagues. He didn’t even hit .250 in AAA.

  90. blake December 26th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    I don’t think the Yanks are a playoff team currently….I said back in October that I didn’t think they’d make the playoffs in 2013 unless they addressed their offense…..and they have done nothing but let it go backwards even further….

  91. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    The Yanks don’t care about production from the C.
    Romine for defense to start the season, see how it goes.

  92. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    unless they addressed their offense…..and they have done nothing but let it go backwards even further….
    ==================
    the loss of swisher?

  93. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Mo has been old for a while now and like Andy came off freak injuries not related to conditioning.
    I guess the 3rd is Kuroda who pitched like a 20 something last year.

    I didn’t even count Mariano, as he is GOAT. CC, Kuroda, & Andy are going to be counted on the most to win games. CC has elbow issues, Kuroda will be very lucky to replicate last season (though I expect him to still be above average), and Andy has not pitched more than 130 innings in 3 years.

  94. blake December 26th, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    In doubt Romine hits 21 dingers either…..Martin isn’t very good but he’s better than what they currently have

  95. blake December 26th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    “the loss of swisher?”

    Swisher, Martin, Arod….everyone is a year older as well

  96. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    My 2013 AL East rankings:

    Toronto- greatly improved- might be paper favorite to win the D

    Rays- Lost some pitching but still have plenty with Price, Hellickson, Moore, etc.

    Yankees- Mainly just ran in place. O likely to regress.

    Sux- Had nowhere to go but up. O good. P still a ? They’ve got Farrell back. Should help.

    O’s- Team most likely to regress. They played way over their heads last year, and were etremely lucky in 1 run games.

  97. blake December 26th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    2013 would be a great time for 2009 Tex to return….of course I don’t really think he’s physically able to do that anymore

  98. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Poopoo Swisher’s postseason all everyone wants, but his regular season production is a big reason why they make the playoffs. He drove in 93 and was one of our best contributors with RISP.

  99. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    I understand what you are saying, but Romine was hurt last year with back issues. I expect him to play more like 2011 in 2013. He is a good defensive catcher, much better than Martin.

    It wouldn’t take much to hit better than the 2012 version of Martin.

  100. blake December 26th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    MTU,

    I agree with your rankings at the moment….I might would flip the Yanks and Rays cause I do think losing Shields will hurt them and they may not even start Myers out in the big leagues to save service time…..

    However …I think the Jays do have the strongest team on paper heading into the year…..that means nothing but I like the balance of their club…..

  101. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Swisher, Martin, Arod….everyone is a year older as well
    ================================
    youk should give us at least, if not more than what arod gave .
    martin didn’t hit a lick until sept

    i thought you were referring to chavez and jones of which nunez will get their ab’s.

    a full year of gardner, grandy and cano in walk years should overcome swisher.

  102. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    He drove in 93 and was one of our best contributors with RISP.
    =========================
    but never in the clutch

  103. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Too bad we couldn’t land a guy like JU.

    He would have been the kind of insurance I was talking about earlier.

    :(

  104. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    blake-

    i will give you ibanez even tho you didn’t mention him…

  105. blake December 26th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    “youk should give us at least, if not more than what arod gave .
    martin didn’t hit a lick until sept”

    He was worse than Arod last year

  106. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    He was worse than Arod last year
    =======================
    what does that have to do with next year?

  107. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Very good point! I personally liked Swisher & wished he were back for 2013. I think Ichiro can be special as I truly think of him & Jeter in the same mold. Having Ichiro in YS & I think you see him score 100 runs & hit .300+. Probably steal 25 bases too. His defense is quality as well. Unfortunately Ichiro is a LH bat where Swish was a SH. All in all I expect 2013 Ichiro to perfom better than 2012 Swish did.

  108. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    I understand what you are saying, but Romine was hurt last year with back issues. I expect him to play more like 2011 in 2013. He is a good defensive catcher, much better than Martin.

    But what is this based on? He doesn’t throw out runners in the minor leagues, or prevent PB or WP. His defensive reputation has always been based on a potential ceiling of performance & not on actual in game performance.

    Cervelli threw out 40% of runners in the minor leagues before he was called up, when the Yankees said he was defensively ready. Romine throws out less than 25%

    The minor league equivalency calculator says Romine’s 2011 AA performance translates to a .232 .283 .300 .583 line in the majors. You’re giving him a huge boost in slugging which he hasn’t shown outside of A ball & giving him only a moderate decrease in batting average based on results from 2 years ago.

  109. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Ray,

    I’m glad you think everyone will be better next year. Completely unrealistic, but why not?

  110. blake December 26th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    “what does that have to do with next year?”

    Well unless you think he’s gonna bounce back to being better than a healthy Arod would be ….a lot….he’s not played a full season since 2009

  111. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    I think the company that makes Geritol can make a fortune off this year’s Yankees.

    That and any company who makes hot tubs.

    :)

  112. mick December 26th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Well unless you think he’s gonna bounce back to being better than a healthy Arod would be ….a lot….he’s not played a full season since 2009
    ===========================
    arod hasn’t been healthy since 2009 and youk had a rough year last year starting with bobby v and his assaults.
    he is in a walk year and should be rejuvenated + arod should be back down the stretch.

    so unless you mean the loss of ibanez , don’t ignore what i said about gardy grandy and cano

  113. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Perhaps Ichiro can lead Team stretching sessions before each game.

    Might cut down on the injuries.

    :)

  114. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Thanks for providing facts! Maybe I am too generous here, but I think he will level out at .250 15 HRs & perform well behind the plate. I saw him in Tampa a couple of years ago & he looks very good to me & has a good batting eye IMO. So put me on the hopeful side of eyeball assessment instead of pure stats.

    I also think Ichiro will hit 10 to 15 HRs in YS as well. That short porch is inviting.

  115. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    I think the company that makes Geritol can make a fortune off this year’s Yankees.
    =================
    they were a lot older last year.

  116. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Anyone who thinks Ichiro will outperform Swisher offensively should watch another sport. Swisher has had an OPS over .800 every year with the Yankees. The last time Ichiro was at .800 was in 2009. For the last two years, his OPS has been under .700. It was likely among the worst for regular outfielders in baseball.

    Also, to project Romine better offensively than Martin is even more silly. Based upon what, exactly? It certainly isn’t his minor league stats over the past few years. Or his AFL stats.

    Teixiera, who has declined for four straight years, is going to miraculously learn to hit the ball the other way?

    Wishing and hoping.

  117. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    LOL! I didn’t say everyone would be better! LOL! I expect Jeter, ARod & Logan to digress. Several of the to be better folks came because I expect them to be healthy.

  118. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    mac-

    maybe your use of ops is overrated?

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 26th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    1. If Yankee pitching had done its job, problems with offense would not have been so highlighted (CC had a really bad spell, plus he was DLd; Andy got hurt pretty early on – likely cost the Yankees wins; Wade imploded, MO out for the season, and so on)

    2. I’m happy Swisher is gone. A decent pitching staff helps the Yanks make the postseason easily; an offense that staggers in the postseason can be pretty detrimental. Swisher unfortunately showed that he folds like an accordian in the postseason.

    Have a good day, y’all.

  120. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    If this, If that, plain and simple, a resounding NO!

  121. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 26th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Oh yeah, I’ve made peace with Puykeface being a Yankee – a uneasy peace, but peace nevertheless. I grudgingly acknowledged that he’s a formidible opponent.

  122. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    big al stomping his shoe on the podium a la kruschev…lol

  123. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Mick,

    Youkilis didn’t hit in Chicago either.

    If the point is the Yankees can be better if everyone dramatically improves, then I agree. Otherwise, it is a team that has lost offense and has aged.

    The Yankees key players are older. Less age for Nunez at DH, isn’t a help, with his .700 OPS as a DH. Same for Romine who hasn’t even proven he can be effective in AA or AAA.

    Can anyone

  124. BIG AL December 26th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Wishing and hoping, planing and dreaming, makes a better song than a Yankees strategy.

  125. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Thanks for providing facts! Maybe I am too generous here, but I think he will level out at .250 15 HRs & perform well behind the plate. I saw him in Tampa a couple of years ago & he looks very good to me & has a good batting eye IMO. So put me on the hopeful side of eyeball assessment instead of pure stats.

    I saw him in tampa as well, but tampa is a long way away from the Majors :) I always thought Romine & montero would pair up behind the plate with Romine providing average offense & good defense while Montero was the thumper at C & DH & 1B. However, much like dreaming of a Joba, Hughes, IPK rotation or a Banuelos, Betances, Hughes rotation , its based on a lot of stuff going right. And those things tend to remain dreams.

    If you look at who actually hits 250 with 15 HRs in the majors its not guys like Romine who are not hitting in AAA. You’re basically saying he is going to hit like Matt Wieters or Montero or Carlos Santana. It just strikes me as being wildly optimistic. Romine in his first taste of the majors OPS’d .300. He has little success of experience above AA ball.

  126. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    don’t underestimate the effect of the turf on reyes and the loss of velo from josh johnson for Tor.

  127. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    i have no doubt some of you can write but i question whether some of you can read..

  128. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    LOL! I do watch some football! LOL!

    I played college baseball & some semi-pro ball. I was a catcher & RF. I use to coach Legion baseball & some semi-pro ball as well. I can recognize talent IMO. LOL!

    I also use to sell Mutual Funds (Series 6 & 63 License), so I know that past statistics are used a lot more than they are designed to predict the future.

    Breakout & Breakdown seasons happen every year. I truly am disgusted at what the Yanks have done this year in the offseason & FA market. I am one of those Montero people as well. All that said, if anyone had looked at Martin’s season before coming to NYY as a FA who would have wanted him?

    I keep hearing Tex is declining & I understand why people say it. But he truly hasn’t been healthy in the last couple of years between breathing problems, wrist injuries & pulled muscles he has been playing as a walking wounded guy for some time. I expect he is due to have an injury free year (at least major injury free). He is still very valuable.

  129. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Since we are a team that has lost offense and
    we were a team that was predicated on the HR
    which many of you hated
    then isn’t it hypocritical and shortsighted to not agree that the additions of garner, nunez and ichiro for a full season
    and the lack of hero swinging swisher and martin
    is at least worth a look?

  130. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    But I will reiterate again, that minor league performance is not a guarantee of major league performance and some guys will just hit in the majors for whatever reason. If Romine hits .250 with 15 HRs Cashman will look like a genius and Romine will be one of the most valuable players in the majors.

  131. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Mick,

    Pick any stat you like. All show Ichiro is in severe decline. All show Romine hasn’t hit for two years or in any upper level of the minors.

    You can write but capital letters and punctuation are part of clear writing.

  132. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Hitting HRs is great. Doing other things well at the same time is better. I don’t think anyone here specifically wants the Yankees to hit less HRs.

    A .300/.400/.500 hitter is better than a .220/.350/.450 hitter. Both guys may hit 20 HRs, but the first guy is waaaaaaaaaaay better.

    I want the Yankees to have more balance, and I don’t mean bring the power down to the level of their current average/on base/speed, but bring those up closer to the power level.

  133. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    as far as pining for the loss of martin , that is the height of hypocrisy.
    he was scathed here last season, until his what have you done lately for me September.
    FA’s have been grossly overpaid this OS and , for once, we have stayed away…

  134. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Ray,

    I don’t doubt you know your baseball from having read many things you have written over the years, and didn’t mean to be rude. I simply look at the statistics of the players, with no great expertise, but plenty of common sense and I don’t see much cause for optimism. They could, if all goes well, compete. Since when does all go well is my point.

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 26th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    “…isn’t it hypocritical and shortsighted to not agree that the additions of garner, nunez and ichiro for a full season and the lack of hero swinging swisher and martin is at least worth a look?”

    I vote yes!

    I will also say that no matter how their season turns out, the Jays have REALLY kicked it up in the off season. Good for them, and good for their fans.

  136. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    You can write but capital letters and punctuation are part of clear writing.
    ==========================

    Mac,
    maybe you oughtta learn the differnce between there and their
    and even they’re…lol…..puncccccchuacion on a blog…funny ( ido insert commas on occasion and my spelling is impeccable)

  137. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    as far as pining for the loss of martin , that is the height of hypocrisy.

    Its relative, Mick. The Yankees replacements right now are WORSE than Martin last year. Put that in perspective. Cheaper? yes. Much worse? Also yes.

    I’d love for them to get someone better than Martin, instead they’ve downgraded massively.

  138. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Mick,

    No one is pining for the loss of Martin. We are pining for a major league quality catcher. Ross or Pierzynski would have made me forget Martin. Wilson, not so much.

  139. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Point well taken JF! I am being overly optimistic about Romine. I am sure it is based on what I saw in him from Tampa & spring training BP. He is very agile and coordinated. I like his chances of producing. I too am still for bringing in another catcher as Romine can’t catch every game 7 I don’t think much of Cervelli or Stewart.

  140. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    I’m out for now.

    Got to hit the gym since it’s raining out here.

    Build up my strength for the upcoming Yankee’s season.

    Got to get ready for those “tributes” I know I’ll have to offer.

    Later.

    ;)

  141. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Pick any stat you like. All show Ichiro is in severe decline.
    ========================
    Well.
    I still would take Ichiro over Swisher, f*ck the stats and the OPS, which you never responded to, not uncommon.

  142. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    RayVT,

    Thats why I wanted AJP. AJP as a lefty & Romine as a righty gives Romine plenty of veteran experience to help cushion his first year in the majors. Or David Ross who signed real cheap for the Red Sox who also a lefty & absolutely great on defense.

    Right now Romine is the #1 starter for the Yankees, or Cervelli… or Stewart, and the remainder is the backup & that is just… not great.

  143. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Ross or Pierzynski would have made me forget Martin. Wilson, not so much.
    ================
    When has Ross been a fulltime catcher?
    Pierzinski is a headcase and not a good defensive catcher.
    Next?

  144. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    I’d love for them to get someone better than Martin, instead they’ve downgraded massively.
    =======================
    JF
    Is it possible the OS isn’t over?

  145. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    When has Ross been a fulltime catcher?

    When has Romine been a fulltime catcher? Cervelli? Stewart?
    Does Ross need to be? Why can’t he & Romine split 50/50. Romine vs lefties + some righties, ross vs righties.

    Ross hit .268 .333 .485 .818 vs righties last year.

  146. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    mac doesn’t like my non-usage of capital letters….he just lost some baseball cred with me.

    maris over mantle? ……pshaw

  147. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Is it possible the OS isn’t over?

    January may be Cashman’s trade month, I’ll welcome any news of potential moves or an actual move. I think he’ll probably grab an OFer over a catcher though. What Catcher could he trade for?

  148. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Mick,

    What didn’t I respond to?

    So you are predicting a catching acquisition? Do tell.

  149. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    When has Romine been a fulltime catcher? Cervelli? Stewart?
    =================
    Again.
    who said they were going to be?
    see 2:25 above.

  150. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Please know that I don’t think you are being rude. I truly love discussion especially when it differs from my thinking. (What am I going to learn if everyone agrees with me? LOL!) That is one of the reasons I liked GB7 so much & also SJ & Trish because they normally caused me to think more. I truly know I don’t have answers, I have opinions & I like the conversation. JF & you Mac have a lot of good ideas & stats & opinions!!! I like predicting things.

    I feel the Yanks offense will improve basically from 3 areas.
    1.) The pitching top to bottom will be much better so the hitters will press less & perform better.
    2.) More contact hitters on the team in 2013 than 2012 will prevent the all or none scoring (HR)3.) Better defense & team speed. Ichiro, Gardner, Grandy, & Jeter provide speed. This will lead to a better run differential.

  151. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Who said anything about Maris over Mantle? I can tell you Mickey’s stats on an annual basis. Also, Roger’s with the Yankees.

  152. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    mac-not in the prediction game, just sayin it could and almost can guarantee it will happen, someone will be had.

  153. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    mac all i can say is go back and read each of my posts on this thread and respond and i will let you know if you have.

  154. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    I totally agree on that!

  155. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Mick,

    I hope you’re right, but I believe Cashman when he says these are his catchers. I do hold out some hope of a decent right handed hitter. From where, I haven’t a clue.

    By the way, did you enjoy my caps and commas? :) You’re writing style is actually fine with me.

  156. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    You’re writing style is actually fine with me.
    ===========================
    that would be YOUR not you’re…
    did you like my caps?

    now work on your use of there and their…so they’re.

  157. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Ray,

    It is almost the new year. Optimism for it is appropriate.

    I did get very sick of all the swings and misses last year. Could we please hit a ground ball when trailing by one run, with a guy on third and the infield back?

  158. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Mick,

    You got me there(not their or they’re).

  159. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    the constraints cashman are under dictate that he do due diligence and spend an undue amount of time in acquisition through trade.

  160. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    One of the things that make MLB great is discussion and the search for a basis for things! LOL! But there has never been a true way to base everything on.

    The fact that the Yankees’ AAA team had no home games in 2012 skews some of the results. Travelling all the time gets old fast, especially on some key positions like Catcher.

    Ichiro playing in the god-awful stadium in Seattle skews his results as well. IMO, YS is built for Ichiro. Ichiro likes to hit outside pitches to the left side. In YS if a pitcher pitches him inside it will be a HR for Ichiro. So they will have to play to his strength. Plus with Cano/Tex & Granderson begind him in the lineup teams will pitch to him more.

  161. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    mac
    there is a place or position
    their shows ownership
    they’re is they are…simple, even for an atty.

  162. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    How do we know that Ichiro won’t succumb to the same failures that Grandy, Tex and Cano did in the House that Ruth didn’t Build but still has a short porch with a wind tunnel.

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 26th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    KISS:

    (Re)train Yankee hitters to know the bunt as well as the long ball, the slap single as well as the triple into the gap. Long appeared poised to do just that. Maybe this will be the year.

  164. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Ray,

    That is what baseball fun to me. Who looks at the football stats in the off season? We can debate OPS vs. War vs. Batting average vs. slugging percentage. And you know what? All the arguments have some basis for validity.

    We can be sure next year will have players performing better than any stats would suggest and players performing worse than any stat would suggest. We need more of the better and not many of the worse.

  165. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    That is one of the things I liked about Romine. He can handle a bat & a glove. He is a good bunter. IMO, Romine could easily play all 4 corner positions as well as catcher. GB use to say the same thing.

    Having guys like Jeter, Ichiro & ARod helps everyone out. They help players become better hitters & all around players.

    I never really liked Gardner much, but I think Ichiro will help Gardner immensely.

  166. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 26th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    LOVE Ichiro. He did a pretty darned good job adjusting to the bright lights in the two regular-season months he played in the bright lights of the Bronx. Just watch what he’ll do in his first full season. I hoped he’d be back and I’m stoked.

  167. trisha - true pinstriped blue December 26th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Well oooo-kay!

    Guess I’ll go back to that which defines my life: don’t worry, be happy.

    #28 in 2013!

    :)

  168. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    Ray,

    Growing up watching the Yankees of the early sixties has made me like sluggers more than slap hitters. What I really like is a guy who can hit 15-20 homers and hit .290 or above.

    Gardner is too much of a slap hitter for my taste. Ichiro is too, but he does it with such flair, I do enjoy watching him.

    I think Nunez has some ability. If he could field adequately enough to play the position, I am confident he would outhit the average MLB shortstop. He doesn’t strike me as a DH though.

  169. Duh Innings II December 26th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Probably not.

    Here is the team’s run scored

    2008 789
    2009 915
    2010 859
    2011 867
    2012 804

    The offense last year was already ~50 runs worse than 2010-2011. Its more likely to be 20 runs worse than it is better. Does the team look more like a 2008 offense or a 2011 offense?

    ——————————————————————————————

    The 2012 Yankees scored the third lowest run total in a season not shortened by a strike since 1992 (2008 was the lowest since ’92.) They had the worst OBP and the third lowest BA since 92. They had the same amount of hits as the ’92 team with one less double and over 200 more strikeouts. They scored only 71 more runs than ’92 with 82 more homeruns, so the ’92 team scored more runs without the homerun than the ’12 team. The ’12 team had the highest strikeout total and average player age of any Yankees team. They were basically the ’92 Yanks with alot more homeruns offensively and much better pitching which is why they won 19 more games than the ’92 team.

    The 2008 Yankees scored only 789 runs because Matsui hit only 3 homeruns, Posada only 9 for a dozen homeruns total. If they had played full seasons and hit say 22 homeruns each (I think reasonable totals for their ages at the time), the 2008 Yanks would’ve scored 789 runs + minimum 32 runs on the 32 extra homeruns = minimum 821 runs.

    The 2012 Yankees scored only 804 runs because Teixiera drove in only 84 runs (down from 111 the year before) and Cano drove in only 94. Had Teixiera and Cano driven in an even 100 runs each, that would’ve been another minimum 22 runs for 826 runs for the 2012 Yanks. Their lousy RISP cost them x amount of runs, too.

    http://www.baseball-reference......2008.shtml

    The 2013 Yanks catcher could be as productive as or more productive than the 2008 one, but they won’t be as solid defensively if we figure 2008 Molina, Posada, Moeller, and I-Rod are better defensively than 2013 Romine/Cervelli/Stewart/Wilson. Molina definitely is. I think 2013 Teixiera could be as productive as or more productive than 2008 Giambi. 2013 Cano will most likely be much more productive than 2008 Cano as ’08 was his worst year. 2013 Youkilis will definitely not be as good as 2008 A-Rod. 2013 Jeter should be at least as good as or better than 2008 Jeter although there is a chance he could slip into 2010 mediocirity being at his oldest age and coming off another injury plus being three years older going into the season. Gardner could be good as 2008 Damon OBP wise and will probably be better SB wise and that’s all the Yanks need from him in the #9 slot. 2013 Granderson will be better than 2008 Cabrera. 2013 Suzuki will probably not be as good as 2008 Abreu, but he is Ichiro so who knows? He could have about the same season as Abreu save in HR and RBI. The 2013 DH won’t be as good as 2008 Matsui who hit very well despite a lack of power in the time he did play.

    I think the Yanks will acquire a bat via trade sometime next month, but if they don’t, they’ll get a bat or two in June or July.

    I think what’ll make the 2013 Yankees better than the 2008 Yankees is the pitching. Sabathia/Kuroda/Pettitte/Hughes/Nova/Phelps is far superior to Mussina/Pettitte/Wang/Rasner/Ponson (08 starterswho had the top five GS totals) and the motley crew of crap who made starts that season save Aceves. If the 2008 Yanks could win 89 games with that overall crap rotation, the 2013 Yankees should win at least 90 games. The 2008 Yankees had AWFUL Rasner, Pavano, Ponson Hughes, and Kennedy who posted ERAs of 5.40, 5.77, 5.85, 6.62, and 8.17 respectively in 59 combined starts with an awful start by Igawa thrown in for good measure for 60 starts by crap starting pitchers. Giese and Bruney made 4 starts combined and I’m guessing were crap in them. Even Pettitte was 4.54 ERA crap. Mussina, Wang, and Aceves (yes Aceves 2.40 ERA in 6 games and 4 starts) were the best starting pitchers by ERA and WHIP.)

    Also the 2008 Yanks had only FOUR relievers with ERAs of 2.60 or less and under 3: Coke (bullpen leader with 0.61 but he pitched in only a dozen games), Rivera (1.40), Bruney (1.83 but he pitched in only 32 games), and Chamberlain (2.60 but his ERA as a reliever was lower.) Dan Friggin Giese led all relievers after them in reliever ERA but he made only 17 relief appearances out of 20 games.

    I am NOT sold on the Blue Jays. The Yanks still have a better bullpen than them. Our closer, set up men, and lefties bury theirs. Sabathia is better than Dickey (I could give a #@#$ about 2012 Dickey, that was 2012, he hasn’t done @#$% in the AL, and CC has been an AL ace for years), Kuroda is better than Johnson because he got it done in the AL in 2012 whereas Johnson is a career NL pitcher who was 3.81 ERA ehhh last year, Pettitte is better than Buerhle, Hughes is better than Romero, and Nova could be every bit as good as Morrow if we figure Nova’s spike in strikeouts could be an indication of a bounceback 2013. The Yanks offense is overall better than the Blue Jays 1 to 9. I think Cano/Teixiera/Jeter/Granderson is just as fearsome as Bautista/Encarnacion/Reyes/Cabrera. They’re certainly more proven. Let’s see Reyes hit on a team expected to win. Let’s see “The Melkman” hit without using PED. Btw he’s missing the first x amount of games due to his PED suspension so the guy holding down his position better hit. Let’s see Bautista rebound from a major injury. I just don’t see how adding two career NL pitchers and two hitters plus an AL veteran starter makes them 20 wins better than they were last year with no bullpen improvement.

  170. blake December 26th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    “What Catcher could he trade for?”

    Santana probably but he may cost more than he’s worth

  171. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    I still stand behind my recommendation of The Hobbit, if you don’t mind taking a little nap during a slow part or two not involving Golum of course, that’s near the end…

  172. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    I watched Romine pretty closely behind the plate in his very limited MLB games. He looked like an adequate or better catcher to my eyes. The question is can he hit enough. I guess we are going to see. I would rather try him than watch Cervelli or Stewart on a daily basis.

    With regard to Stewart, he gets rid of the ball to second amazingly quickly. However, his passed balls have to be a concern for a catcher first guy. Framing pitches? Can’t give an opinion on that.

  173. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    I recommend for those not faint at heart to go see Django Unchained. It was a very long movie that didn’t feel like it.

  174. DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    You go with Soriano from the Cubs, and you gotta consider how much room there will be in the DH Slot. A-Rod could morph into Walter Brennan following his hip surgery, and then will need the DH Slot at Least 50% of the time. I’d pass on Soriano, mainly due to the uncertainty regarding the DH Slot in 2014.

  175. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    One thing I don’t see is Stewart starting.
    He reminds me of Fred Stanley at the plate….and a little like him behind it too, as they both were here for defense.

  176. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    mac-
    what did you think of Lincoln?

  177. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    LOL! We don’t, but we do have a short period of time where we got to see what Ichiro could do last year in YS. Ichiro is a much more disciplined hitter than Grandy, Tex & Cano so that may give us reason to believe he can handle it. Plus, Ichiro provides some stability of steadiness I believe like Jeter does.

  178. mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    ray

    ichiro could easily hit 20 at the stadium if he didn’t mind abandoning some plate discipline.

  179. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    the guy i would go for and think hal might budge on is ruiz on philly.
    he could mentor romine and would lift the yanks to favorite in the al east.

  180. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    I actually think Jeter will play more DH than Nunez for the 1st half of the season. Nunez will play a lot of SS IMO in 2013.

    I too grew up watching the NYY of the 60′s. The later part of the 60′s were hard to bear though.

  181. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Hello Trisha! Merry Christmas!

  182. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    The later part of the 60?s were hard to bear though
    ==========================
    don’t forget the early part of the 70′s

    and the 80′s

    and the 1st 1/2 of the 90′s…

  183. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    If they could trade for + extend Ruiz that’d be good, but are the Yankees really going to trade for a guy they can’t use for the first 50 games?

  184. blake December 26th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Jerkface says:
    December 26, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    If they could trade for + extend Ruiz that’d be good, but are the Yankees really going to trade for a guy they can’t use for the first 50 games?

    I doubt it …

  185. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Mick,

    I haven’t seen it but may go today. Everyone I know really liked it.

  186. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    I can see a scenario where the generation of 25-40 year olds would be more spoiled than the Baby Boomer generation when it comes to the Yanks.

    Forget the 65 and older crowd as they grew up on championships.

  187. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    mac-

    i think you will love Lincoln, just a hunch.

  188. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    it think ruiz is out for 25 games.

  189. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Phils’ Carlos Ruiz banned 25 games – ESPN.com

  190. DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    I pass on Ruiz, and go with Romine. As long as your catcher is decent defensively, your OK. Yanks did Fine the 1st half of 2012, and Martin stunk to high heaven at the plate.

  191. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    mick December 26th, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    LOL! I actually think he will hit a lot of HRs in YS because of plate discipline. Ichiro is a zone hitter. He attacks outside pitches to the left side of the field. He attacks inside pitches as well as almost a dead pull hitter. He takes anything on the plate up the middle but ususally slightly to the left side of things. His bat control is palin awesome. I know he is getting older, but he still amazes me. He is a guy who could easily become a pure power hitter if he wanted, but I think he will look for pitches on certain counts in a zone & if he is looking inside & it comes inside I think 75% of them will be HRs in YS.

  192. Warning Track Power December 26th, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Not sure who else agrees with me, but I am very content with the moves
    the Yankees did and did not make so far this off-season.

    Obviously there are quite a few teams that made a big splash, but the games are not
    played at the moment.

    There are questions about the C position and if all goes well, the answers will be within the organization and hopefully coming from a rookie named Romine.

  193. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    what you want is each hitter to be able to stand up to clutch situations at the plate.
    i think youkilis will do that.
    ruiz has proven that he can.
    when the PS comes around that is what you are looking for more than guys that give good “numbers.”

  194. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Ray

    He is indeed Boggsian in his approach and hope he doesn’t change it.
    He might even like chicken chop suey before games.

  195. DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Remember that 1 yr when Everyone picked the R\Sox? They went into the tank quickly, and the remainder of the season Stat Geeks were dabbing the egg off their faces. Getting into the Playoffs involves variables that can Not be measured with a slide rule.

  196. Warning Track Power December 26th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Romine deserves the longest look possible this spring.
    IMO, the job can be his to win.
    Romine needs to show he is durable and avoid any type of injury that will limit his playing time.
    If Romine is healthy during ST and shows he can be useful with the bat, then why not give
    him the starting catcher job, ahead of Cervelli and Stewart?

    He might not be a Thurman Munson with the bat and he might not be a Posada with the bat, but if his defense is better than average, then I think this team can live with that when
    camp breaks.

  197. Mordot11 December 26th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    It seems to me that the one place the Yankees are significantly weaker than last year is the bench. I don’t know what they can do about that right now, but if anyone gets hurt the Yanks are going to be in a lot of trouble.

  198. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    making the PS is one thing, winning them is another.
    that is the difference between the late 90;s and this era.
    we have become the vanilla Braves.
    we lack the grit of those teams.
    they had a never say die attitude.
    these teams might have more talent, better “numbers.”
    those teams didn’t wilt under pressure.

  199. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    LOL! Now that is funny!

  200. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Ray

    Happy to make you laugh.

  201. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Ah, everyone at ESPN (Aka Redsock Nation) picks the Red Sux to win every year. Toronto is troubling to me because they can hit & they have power pitching. I think they are vastly improved over last year & they always give the Yanks a fit.

    That said, I think Rays, O’s & Sux are all worse. I think the Yanks were better last year but will win more games this year because of pitching, defense & speed.

  202. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Remember that 1 yr when Everyone picked the R\Sox? They went into the tank quickly, and the remainder of the season Stat Geeks were dabbing the egg off their faces.

    How is the media ‘stat geeks’? They are on your side. The media hates stat geeks. And if you suggest everyone picked them, then everyone is wiping off their face, including you.

  203. DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Toronto has power pitching, but their own park helps downgrade that. If it’s me, I deal Cano NOW.

  204. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Back to Ruiz:

    Of the 200 posts on this thread I did not contribute in the 1st 38.
    Of the next 162, I posted 58 times or 36% of the time.
    More than 1/3 of the posts were mine.

    If Ruiz could provide this type of production, he would be a great addition.
    In the meantime, Romine would get his shot…

  205. blake December 26th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 26, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    Toronto has power pitching, but their own park helps downgrade that. If it’s me, I deal Cano NOW.

    For who

  206. DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Enjoyable to see Who defensively responds, when the term “stat geeks” is used. Smoked Out.

  207. Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    So you’re admitting to trolling? Your point made no sense. Called out.

  208. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Ah, everyone at ESPN (Aka Redsock Nation) picks the Red Sux to win every year.
    =========================
    the true test of bias would be if they pick em this year.

  209. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    JF

    Have you never trolled?

  210. DONNYBROOK December 26th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    I would go to the Dodgers 1st, and start with Dee Gordon and Luis Cruz.

  211. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Jerkface December 26th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    I think the media is Boston biased more than stat geeks. If they used a discerning eye Beantown wouldn’t be favored every year in every thing!

  212. blake December 26th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 26, 2012 at 3:37 pm
    I would go to the Dodgers 1st, and start with Dee Gordon and Luis Cruz.

    You serious? Dee Gordon is terrible….try again

  213. mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    TV is theater.
    Boston is Camelot.
    Get the picture?

  214. Warning Track Power December 26th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Jamil Weeks(Oakland) is better than Dee Gordon

  215. Against All Odds December 26th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    I think some fans are buying too much stock in Romine. I’m not saying he’s going to fall flat on his face but we shouldn’t expect him to hit the ground running either.

  216. spidanyc December 26th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Mariners designated RHP D.J. Mitchell for assignment.
    The move cleared room for the newly-signed Raul Ibanez on the 40-man roster. Mitchell, who was acquired from the Yankees in the Ichiro deal, made four appearances in the majors this year and posted a 4.29 ERA over 22 starts and one relief appearance at the Triple-A level. The 25-year-old right-hander could draw interest on waivers.

  217. David in Cal December 26th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    RayVT — I was feeling kind of gloomy. Thanks for cheering me up!

  218. Warning Track Power December 26th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    AAO-
    You could be correct about Romine.
    My expectations are not very high, but I think the kid deserves a chance based on the
    situation at the moment.
    I want to think he is a better player than both Cervelli and Stewart.

    From what Yankees fans have seen from Romine, there is not enough games played to know
    if the kid has what it takes.
    I think now that he’s healthy, he deserves a long look in ST.

  219. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    I am now on my new IPAD mini. No doubt it will help my thoughts be more enlightened while my typing becomes worse.

    I think a big issue with the Jays will be which Johnson they have. Will be be the dominant guy or the pedestrian one? I know how I hope.

  220. blake December 26th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    @jnorris427: MINOR MATTERS: My guess for the 2013 Opening Day Thunder. http://t.co/UJwHi3nP #Yankees @trentonthunder

    A Flores , Heathcott, Austin outfield at Trenton would be pretty sweet

  221. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Warning Track,

    I agree on Romine. He is at least someone who might improve. Let’s find out. I would have Cervelli as the backup since he has more offense than Stewart.

  222. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Warning Track Power December 26th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    That is exactly how I feel. ST should let the Yanks know if he is ready. I can’t see Stewart or Cervelli supplanting him.

  223. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    David in Cal December 26th, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Let me know if you want to borrow my pinstriped rose colored glasses! LOL!

  224. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Blake,

    Thanks for the Norris post. The outfield looks strong and the infield weak. It makes me understand they need some infielders to step up. I hope Gumbs can make a big move.

    If I had my choice whether the watch this team or the big guys, I might pick Trenton for fun.

  225. Against All Odds December 26th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    He’ll definitely get a long look in ST. As of right now it’s his job to lose because I can’t see them going with Ciso and Stewie

  226. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Ray,

    Your sunglasses make everything look so groovy. I didn’t just show my age there, did I?

    I still suffer from post-dynasty stress disorder from watching the teams in the late 60s. Let’s not go through that again.

  227. CompassRosy December 26th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Jack Z on how the Ibanez signing impacts Montero…

    http://tinyurl.com/csa2wxf

    I asked about Jesus Montero and whether a move like this — which potentially takes away DH time from him — would mean more catching is ahead for him.

    “I’d like to think so,” Zduriencik said. “We’ve given him a list of things he has to do this winter to get better and I’d hope that we see some of that from him this spring. A lot of what he shows us will dictate that, but as of right now, yeah, I’d hope we would be able to see more of him back there.”

    Now, that doesn’t mean we should all be writing Montero’s name in there for 80 games behind the plate. As Zduriencik noted, there is still plenty of time left before camp opens,

    “I’ve said all along that things can change and names can change between now and spring training and even up to the start of the regular season,” Zduriencik said. “A lot can happen, so we’ll just see how it all plays out and take it from there.”

  228. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    A short interview with Kevin Towers for those who might be interested in how he thinks:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....dbacks-gm/

  229. PacoDooley December 26th, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    With Seattle DFAing D.J. Mitchell it answers the question of whether the Yankees gave up anything for Ichiro. Amazing that they traded more talent for Chris Stewart than Ichiro when you look back on the transactions…

  230. jacksquat December 26th, 2012 at 4:35 pm

    MTU December 26th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    Perhaps Ichiro can lead Team stretching sessions before each game.

    Might cut down on the injuries.

    The way Ichiro stretches, might increase the injuries.

  231. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    Dare I say Johnny Keane? Ouch that is so wrong!

  232. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Keane was so smart in 1964. What happened? It was a shock to me as they had always won since I got hooked in 1960. Good old Horace Clarke.

  233. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

    Squat-

    Guess you didn’t notice the smiley face at the bottom of that post.

    ;)

  234. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    When Swisher & Martin came to NYY most folks weren’t too excited about either guy. Their stats for the previous season basically sucked. I think the Yanks offered a bag of old baseballs to CWS for Swisher & they took it!

    Now, both are not worth their contracts & we are lamenting their departure. Lest I forget it was quite painful last year during the post-season watching Swish at bat & in the field. It was very minor league. Martin was an all or none guy. A HR or a K. His defense was horrible in the playoffs especially. If I remember correctly the Yanks benched Swish in playoffs he was so bad.

    Jeter & Ichiro were the only highlights other than Ibanez during the playoffs. When Jeter got hurt it was awful. Ichiro gave some hope and that was after a full season.

    I believe Ichiro will play well in YS & for the Yanks! I think he will help teach Gardner how to bunt & steal bases. Those 2 guys are contact hitters with speed & I think they will play well for the Yanks even against LHP.

  235. blake December 26th, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Maybe the yanks should steal Napoli

  236. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    “I think he will help teach Gardner how to bunt & steal bases.”

    As long as he doesn’t try to teach GGBG his “hitting style” because no one but Ichiro can hit that way.

    Totally unorthodox.

    ;)

  237. RayVT December 26th, 2012 at 4:56 pm

    Does anyone think Ronnier Mustelier can play 3B & a corner OF spot maybe? His numbers against LHP wasn’t great last year but he does have some power from the Right side. I really don’t know much about him.

  238. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    Blake-

    We’ll be lucky if we get a good 4th OF’er.

    Nevermind Napoli.

  239. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    The Yankees are not gonna all of a sudden start throwing completely untested guys into the field.

    They simply do not do things that way.

    They’d probably start a guy like that as a pinch hitter or something, or a late-inning replacement and see how he does.

    They had that Cuban 1st baseman who had a lot of power and hit well in the minors and they barely used him at the ML level.

    Then they just traded him away or released him. I forget which.

  240. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Just trade everything for Santana.. if they sell the club, the fact that it we’ll have no minor league system at all won’t matter much to the Steins!

  241. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Every team has what they call MiLB “filler”.

    Lot’s of guys fall into that category.

    Most will not even sniff the Majors.

  242. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Shame-

    Did your arancini bribe of Santa work ?

    :)

  243. blake December 26th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Bowden ranked the Yankee offense 4th in the AL east….Id say 3rd

  244. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    MTU – It did :D

    And I still have about 50 left over to keep me well fed through this storm we’re having… the streets are all nicely coated with snow and I’m locked up in my apartment for the rest of the night with leftovers and dvds (that I actually paid for… well… that I got as gifts – so someone paid for them!).

  245. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    blake – I love our pitching but we’re like one injury away from a nightmare… and I’m not including Andy in that, who will absolutely not pitch 150 regular season innings this year. I’m hoping we get more than 70 from him, of course lol, but I dunno why anyone would think he’d hold up for a full season’s workload.

  246. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Can Tim Tebow catch…? Can Tim Tebow do anything useful?? Maybe we can trade for Tim Tebow, like when Manny wanted to be traded for Brett Farve..

  247. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Shame-

    Snowing here right now too. Not sticking though.

    Blake-

    How did he rate their Pitching in the AL East ?

    If he rated them with the #1 or 2 Pitching with the a middle of the pack O we’d probably do OK.

    Not sure where the Yankees would fall in that dep’t.

    Certainly the Rays and Jays could be right up there with us.

  248. blake December 26th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    That ranked the AL East.

    Offense

    1. jays
    2. sox
    3. Os
    4. Yanks
    5. Rays

    Rotation

    1. jays
    2. Rays
    3. Yanks
    4. Sox
    5. Os

    Pen.

    1 yanks
    2. Os
    3. Sox
    4. Jays
    5. Rays

    I think the Yanks are probably the 3rd best offense….but on paper they are pretty close IMo

  249. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    I’d also like to discuss teleportation.

    Has anyone been looking into how to get this thing going?

  250. blake December 26th, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    I think the yanks rotation is close to the top if they stay healthy….right there with the Rays and Jays

  251. blake December 26th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Their pitching should be fine if healthy…..the offense needs work….and I don’t think it’s good enough right now

  252. joeman December 26th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Can the Yankees’ offense be better in 2013……………..
    and not one mention of Gardner…

  253. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Blake-

    In CC, Kuroda, and AP you have three of the best around if they all can stay healthy.

    Great competitors all. Innings eaters. Veterans who know how to handle pressure.

    Hughes as a 4 is quite good. And If Ivan gets it together again look out.

    Nice to have a guy like Phelps in reserve.

    Possible that Phelps gets Nova’s spot ?

    We also may have Warren and Marshall in reserve for the backend.

    Lot’s of depth.

    Wish I could say the same about the O.

  254. blake December 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Rays saying that Myers will start the year in AAA….oh the arbitration clock

  255. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Shame-

    Teleportation when combined with time travel is very useful.

    ;)

  256. tomingeorgia December 26th, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    mick December 26th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    I can see a scenario where the generation of 25-40 year olds would be more spoiled than the Baby Boomer generation when it comes to the Yanks.

    Forget the 65 and older crowd as they grew up on championships.
    ———-
    Mister mick,
    As a member of that “crowd”, I’ve seen more losing seasons than winning ones. The 50s were exceptional, and the early 60s. Then there was a 10 year stretch of awful baseball, but still a fan. Then came the 80s, etc. Guys age out, guys replace them. That’s life. I liked Irv Noren and Roy White, fercrissakes. In time, we’ll get number 28, maybe even this year. The world hasn’t ended, at least yet. Let’s see what happens, huh?

  257. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    blake December 26th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Their pitching should be fine if healthy…..the offense needs work….and I don’t think it’s good enough right now

    ——————

    Oh yeah, it’s the ‘if healthy’ part.. Basically it comes down to hoping Andy goes on the DL sometime in the middle of summer so he can be back for September baseball.

    This is gonna be a fun year to watch Hughes.. he’s been must watch tv at times for me in the past and I was very happy to see how much he bounced back after stumbling out of the gate in 2012. I hope we see Nova and Phelps make big steps as well. It was fun watching Phelps last year. He had his ups and downs but his stuff looked really good and more importantly he has the whole between the ears thing going for him as a pitcher.

  258. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    Blake-

    No surprise there.

    If he continues the way he has he’ll be up before too long.

  259. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 5:31 pm

    blake December 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Rays saying that Myers will start the year in AAA….oh the arbitration clock

    ———————-

    I usually say the word ‘Rays!’ like Jerry said the word ‘Newman!’

  260. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    MTU – I’m really just focused on the teleportation thing.. maybe if we start typing it in capital letters we’ll have better luck.

  261. blake December 26th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    “This is gonna be a fun year to watch Hughes.. he’s been must watch tv at times for me in the past and I was very happy to see how much he bounced back after stumbling out of the gate in 2012″

    Agreed

  262. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Tell you what Shame.

    You focus on teleportation and I’ll work on time travel.

    That’s an efficient divison of labor.

    Please keep me advised of your progress and I’ll do the same.

    :)

  263. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    Not gonna be that much fun watching Phil if he has a great year and they can’t/won’t resign him.

    Another guy who might just disappear for a draft pick only.

    I hope not.

  264. luis December 26th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Good evening everyone and merry Christmas.

    I am 47 years old, and I have seen my share of bad seasons (from 81 to 95), that’s a very long stretch. But all in all, I have been blessed with the luck of watching some very good teams and six WS, so I can’t complain.

    About the post subject. In paper our offense has lost some pop and also some key members will be a year older. So I am not holding my breath to see an improvement over last season, quite the contrary.

    I am looking forward to see the youngster play though.

  265. tomingeorgia December 26th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Mister MTU,
    Take us back to 61, then out to your island.

  266. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    MTU – Deal!

    And true, watching Phil might end up being bitter sweet but on some level I do still embrace the phantom limb that used to be Yankee-awesomeness. I feel like if they see enough cracks in the plan this year they’ll have no choice but to spend.. and Phil would have to be at the top of their list if his performance is up to par. Still sort of hoping we hear something crazy like Cash signed him to an extension… I know of all the FO guys, Cash would want to keep him the most. It’d be ridiculously ironic if Phil finally came into his own and spent his best years outside of the Yankees organization.

  267. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Tom-

    Sounds like a plan.

    Shame-

    I knew I could count on you. If Phil has a good season he won’t come cheap.

    Luis-

    Was Santa good to you ?

  268. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Shame,

    I think we need to find a tractor beam for teleportation. Maybe Craig’s list under space and science stuff?

  269. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Mac-

    I want to put that tractor beam to good use to snare JU.

    :)

  270. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Shame,

    I think we need to find a tractor beam for teleportation. Maybe Craig’s list under space and science stuff?

    ———————–

    The only thing I know for sure is that if it’s being marketed by Jeff Goldblum, we should steer clear of it.

    So.. yeah, I’m all for searching CraigsList.

  271. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Chemically induced teleportation is very effective and inexpensive.

    Just as a suggestion.

    ;)

  272. blake December 26th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN: BREAKING: Yankees have agreed to terms on minor-league deal with outfielder Matt Diaz. Invite to big-league camp and will compete for spot.

    Oh boy

  273. blake December 26th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Feinsand has apparently gotten better sources by sucking up to the Yanks

  274. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    Like I said this AM blake.

    Diaz or Rivera.

    Eat your gruel.

  275. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN

    BREAKING: Yankees have agreed to terms on minor-league deal with outfielder Matt Diaz. Invite to big-league camp and will compete for spot.

    …..BREAKING….. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….

  276. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    The definition of breaking news sure has changed… in other news, JLo is rumored to be engaged to her back-up dancer/freeloader boyfriend. I wish I was kidding lol.

  277. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Now on to our LH hitting DH.

    :)

  278. blake December 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    I hate gruel

  279. Mike Ri December 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

    Matt Diaz ??????????????????????

  280. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    The Yankee roster has more patches on it than Daisy Mae’s shorts.

    :)

  281. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Matt can hit lefties.

  282. RadioKev December 26th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    blake December 26th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
    “This is gonna be a fun year to watch Hughes.. he’s been must watch tv at times for me in the past and I was very happy to see how much he bounced back after stumbling out of the gate in 2012?

    Agreed
    ———-

    Yes

  283. blake December 26th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Matt Diaz to #Yankees on minor-league deal, according to @FeinsandNYDN. Seriously doubt search for RHH OFer ends there.

    It’s a fine minor league invite option as insurance….not the answer though

  284. blake December 26th, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    @Jen_Royle: Two sources tell me the Sox are going after Adam LaRoche, who’s seeking a three-year deal. Third source says he won’t budge on the years

    No..we need Laroche to sign with the Nats

  285. blake December 26th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    @YankeesWFAN: Diaz is good clubhouse guy, hit LH well in his prime. Turns 35 in March, has 2 HR in 359 ABs last 2 years. Not “the answer” just a flyer.

  286. RadioKev December 26th, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    MTU,

    I also just read the Kevin Towers interview. This part jumped out at me:

    DL: To close, what type of philosophical changes did you implement when you came to Arizona?

    KT: I don’t know that I’d refer to it as changes, but my emphasis has always been on pitching, and probably more than anything, the bullpen. That and the bench. A lot of that really came from when I was in San Diego, with a small market and not a lot of financial resources. One thing we could improve was our bullpen and our bench. I didn’t go after the front-line starters, and didn’t have the ability to go after the everyday position players. I really focused on bullpen and bench, both of which play a big part in a team’s success.

    When I came over here, I’d say bullpen was probably my biggest focus. It was a priority, because if we have a chance to win after the sixth inning, we can’t blow games. We need to win the games we should. It won’t happen every time, but it should the majority of the time.

  287. RadioKev December 26th, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    Hmm… bullpen and bench… sounds familar…

  288. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Kev-

    Too bad their was no mention of Upton and his status.

    Was an interesting interview nonetheless.

  289. blake December 26th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    One other thing Towers tried to do wen he came over was to get Ks out of their lineup…..he hates strike outs

  290. Against All Odds December 26th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    My reaction to Diaz

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum.....o1_250.gif

  291. tucker December 26th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    Cashman has taken this “be like the Braves” mantra a little too seriously. He concentrates mostly on pitching and figures Atlanta castoffs like Diaz are the answer to plug the OF hole.

  292. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    If all it took was a bullpen and a bench, no one would bother spending any big money on FAs. You need to be good at ALL facets of the game to be successful.

    The Yanks bullpen being awesome didn’t help us a whole lot last year when our offense couldn’t score runs late in games. Weren’t we like 0-58 or 60 when tied after the 7th or 8th inning?

  293. mick December 26th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN: BREAKING: Yankees have agreed to terms on minor-league deal with outfielder Matt Diaz. Invite to big-league camp and will compete for spot.
    =========================
    Wake me when they sign Figgins.

  294. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    AAO – Not even gonna waste a gif on this one, I’m waiting for the big splash in January everyone is waiting for :D

  295. mick December 26th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    These are the guys we want. Guys who want to be Yankees.
    Guys who no other team wants…

  296. mick December 26th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    AAO – Not even gonna waste a gif on this one, I’m waiting for the big splash in January everyone is waiting for
    ================
    Figgins. Chone pronounced Shawn. Or Sean. Or Shonn, like the Jet.

  297. mick December 26th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Is Vlad Guerrero still available?

  298. Against All Odds December 26th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
    AAO – Not even gonna waste a gif on this one, I’m waiting for the big splash in January everyone is waiting for

    ————————-

    We’re going to be waiting for a while Shame lol.

  299. BD (Boston Dave) December 26th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    Very good no risk signing. Diaz could end up being the best right handed bench bat theyve had in a few years. It’s not all about hitting HR. Over an .800 career OPS against lefties and no risk. Good deal.

  300. Against All Odds December 26th, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    mick December 26th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
    AAO – Not even gonna waste a gif on this one, I’m waiting for the big splash in January everyone is waiting for
    ================
    Figgins. Chone pronounced Shawn. Or Sean. Or Shonn, like the Jet.

    ———————-

    Will he under perform like a Jet :D

  301. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Julio Franco hits from the right side.

  302. mick December 26th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Will he under perform like a Jet
    ======================
    The Jets are performing as they should. They stink.

  303. jmills December 26th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Hi everybody! Christmas is over! :) and now,…I can listen to the radio again. MTU, loved the twisted decorrated succulent ( sent it to my daughter ), and because of the good vibes, she had already gotten me a first edition hardcopy bio on Gilles Villeneuve ( ’89 ) imported from England ( I wanted the car as well ) – this got me very excited as we had a great batch on snow driving today. She also arranged an authenticated framed Bobby Orr pic to go along with the only other sport autogragh I have,…Bobboy Orr – why have a #1 and #2 when u can have two #1′s ! ?

  304. MTU December 26th, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    Terrific Mills.

    Glad to be of service.

    ;)

  305. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    I hope to connect with GLove sometime this week to determine what completely ridiculous way the Cowboys will discover to cough up a shot at the playoffs….

    Here is my DONNY INSPIRED LIST OF POSSIBILITIES:

    (1) BOTCHED FIELD GOAL SNAP

    (2) TONY ROMO UNDER-HAND PASS

    (3) FUMBLE ON A RETURN 5 YARDS FROM THE GOAL LINE

    (4) MASCOT INTERFERENCE

    I’m actually anticipating a combo of 1 & 2 but I don’t discount all four might take place in one game.

  306. ron December 26th, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    The yankees were 2nd in baseball in runs scored,the giants much further down.
    You need good pitching all the way through the pen,and a well balanced team with a few power hitters,good leadoff man.

    If the yankees are going cut payroll,i’d like to see them flip the whole roster over,and tone down on the big power hitters that cost money like tex,cano,arod.
    The rest of our players we feel we owe for past glory.

    I would of traded cano,granderson at the very least,and consider trading hughes,if we can’t extend him.
    Cano,and granderson would net us at least 3 of the highest prospects around that would plug 3b,2b,and pick another position.
    Then i’d sign some free agents to replace the lost offense.
    Doesn’t have to be hamilton,but a 20 hr player with good splits,and good d.
    Remember the 98 team???

    From there we collect draft picks,and prospects from the players we traded,and wait for the right free agents going forward.
    We are going to have to develop another core,wether they are our own,or from trading cano,granderson,etc…,if not payroll will be unmanagable.
    This is why drafting,and developing should be top priority for the yankees.
    If we can’t use our money to sign players,we should have the best scouts,and coaches on the planet.

  307. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    @diazfoundation I’m very excited and thankful to be goin to camp with the Yankees! This little boys dream come true!!!!

    Awwww.. (you still probably blow, but ‘awww’ anyway).

  308. Shame Spencer December 26th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    @FeinsandNYDN

    Diaz says his thumb is healthy again after last summer’s surgery. Has been hitting since early October.

    Can’t say the same for anyone else in the line up so I guess this is a good start..

  309. mick December 26th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Awwww.. (you still probably blow, but ‘awww’ anyway).
    ==============================
    not as biased as not liking Ibanez because of his looks but the same principle.

  310. blake December 26th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    @diazfoundation I’m very excited and thankful to be goin to camp with the Yankees! This little boys dream come true!!!!

    So was bill Halls

  311. waka flocka December 26th, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Diaz hasn’t hit from any side of the plate for two years now. He will probably end up stored in AAA.

  312. austinmac December 26th, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Shame,

    LOl.

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