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Yankees react to Matsui’s retirement

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The Yankees sent out a press release with reaction to the news of Hideki Matsui’s retirement:

STATEMENT FROM YANKEES MANAGING GENERAL PARTNER HAL STEINBRENNER

“Hideki Matsui, in many ways, embodied what this organization stands for.   He was dedicated to his craft, embraced his responsibilities to his team and fans, and elevated his play when he was needed the most.  He did all these things with a humility that was distinctly his own, which is why he was such a big part of our success and why he will always be a cherished member of the Yankees family.”

STATEMENT FROM YANKEES GENERAL MANAGER BRIAN CASHMAN

“Hideki is proof that baseball is an international attraction that brings people from all over the world together in their passion for the game.  He was the type of player and person you want young fans of this game to emulate.  He played with pride, discipline and of course talent, and flourished when the lights were at their brightest.  People naturally gravitated towards him, and that’s a direct reflection of his character.  He was a true professional in every sense of the word and it feels good knowing he was able to raise the championship trophy as a member of the Yankees.”

STATEMENT FROM YANKEES SHORTSTOP DEREK JETER (Matsui’s teammate from 2003-09)

“I’ve said it numerous times over the years, but it’s worth repeating now.  I’ve had a lot of teammates over the years with the Yankees, but I will always consider Hideki one of my favorites.  The way he went about his business day in and day out was impressive.  Despite being shadowed by a large group of reporters, having the pressures of performing for his fans both in New York and Japan and becoming acclimated to the bright lights of New York City, he always remained focused and committed to his job and to those of us he shared the clubhouse with.  I have a lot of respect for Hideki.  He was someone we counted on a great deal and he’s a big reason why we became World Champions in 2009.”

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2,213 Responses to “Yankees react to Matsui’s retirement”

  1. blake December 27th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    The Yanks need a hitter that’s as balanced as matsui was badly….dude could flat out hit

  2. MTU December 27th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Blake-

    Guys like Matsui are hard to come by.

    ;)

  3. Shame Spencer December 27th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    I’ll never forget that grand slam he hit in his debut game… incredible.

  4. raymagnetic December 27th, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    “blake says:
    December 27, 2012 at 8:10 pm
    The Yanks need a hitter that’s as balanced as matsui was badly….dude could flat out hit”

    Every team could use a Matsui. Like no duh!!

    But I get it.

    Hal’s too cheap to talk Matsui out of retirement :x

  5. blake December 27th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    ” But I get it.

    Hal’s too cheap to talk Matsui out of retirement ”

    Yea…cause that’s what I said :|

  6. austinmac December 27th, 2012 at 8:48 pm

    If Matsui was a free agent coming from Japan now, would the Yankees be involved?

  7. mick December 27th, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Mac- That is a great question?
    My answer would be No.

  8. mick December 27th, 2012 at 8:51 pm

    I see there are no tweets about Godzillas retirement.
    Ever wonder why Jeter doesn’t tweet?

  9. Ys Guy December 27th, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    Love matsui and Damon!

    Absolutely don’t want to see the Yankees try to talk them out of retiring. Both are DONE

  10. mick December 27th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    Tex has increased his tweetage.
    He shouldn’t…
    …he’s always selling something.

  11. yankeefeminista December 27th, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    We were wearing gloves in that GS Matsui OD 2003 game; so, it was impossible to score it; the original game had been postponed b/c of snow. We were sitting right near where Matsui hit that shot. Loved watching Mats play.

  12. Ys Guy December 27th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    Jeter has perfected the art of saying absolutely nothing. I can’t imagine how boring his tweets would be.

  13. blake December 27th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    @JeffPassan: Source in Japan says lefty reliever Hisanori Takahashi has agreed with Cubs on a minor league deal with big league invite.

  14. LGY December 27th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Has raymagnetic posted any bleacher report articles comparing Felton and Lin recently? :evil:

  15. mick December 27th, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Yet Jeter means what he says and says what he means. Go figure.

  16. mick December 27th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    The sky will not fall without Felton.
    They will become more disciplined with a true point running the show.

  17. The Return of Stoneburner December 27th, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    A soon to be lineup of Kidd, Shumpert, Brewer, Melo, Chandler w/ Amar’e and JR coming off the bench and people are still bringing up Lin – LOL – but it does not surprise me w/ lohud – the thing that unites is to complain just to complain sometimes – - – -

  18. yankfan1 December 27th, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    theres no question that Lin is a better PG than Felton for now and in the future. Problem is that Lin demands possession of the ball. Just look at the games when Harden isnt playing, in which he has dominany games b/c it allows him to be the primary ball handler. And b/c of this Lin doesnt fit into the Knicks system. And Felton is a big loss, id be hesitant to give Kidd too many minutes, he might break down.

  19. Pat M. December 27th, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Knicks could be looking at Derek Fisher to provide 10-15 minutes a game at the point.

  20. Pat M. December 27th, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    Fisher is washed up but he can still shoot and give minutes in short spurts.

  21. Nilsson December 27th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    I can’t imagine Derek Fisher on the Knicks radar, Pat. Felton won’t need surgery. He’ll miss perhaps a month. Prigioni will get more minutes until Ray returns.

    The bigger question is does Phil Jackson want the Nets job? It’s his if he wants it. Is Brooklyn big enough and attractive enough for Big Chief Triangle?!?

  22. Patrick December 27th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    Hideki Matsui is awesome, hope he enjoys retirement.

  23. blake December 27th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    If the Sox do move on from Napoli and he decides to do a one year deal….then Napoli would be cool for one year.

    Can catch….can DH….RH bat….no draft pick attached to him

  24. Ys Guy December 27th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    godzilla and damon in this year’s old timer’s game!

  25. raymagnetic December 27th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Knicks in first place and of course LGY is bringing up Lin.

    What more do you expect from a former twins fan who’s now a Yankee coattail rider :-?

  26. G. Love December 28th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Matsui will always be one of my favorite Yankees. I loved how he played the game and I’m thrilled he won a title here during his run and had a big hand in winning it. I’d rather have 1 Matsui than 9 Nick Swisher’s any day of the week.

    On a side note, do any of those quotes above come off as some veiled shots at Swisher and some of the playoff suspects who disappear in the big moment?

    They do to me. Just curious if part of this off season plan was to rid themselves from who don’t elevate their play when the team needs them most.

  27. Keith--PA....no longer FL December 28th, 2012 at 12:23 am

    Matsui and Damon could have helped us win in 2010 and maybe even 2011….let’s see Cashman, keep the World Series MVP Matsui or sign Nick Johnson, then have to trade for Lance Berkman….Cashman needs to go…. time for a change….

  28. tucker December 28th, 2012 at 12:43 am

    Very good question above on Matsui. Would the Yanks sign him again if he was just leaving Japan? Probably not now, with 189. Probably not last year, either. Cespedes was the closest thing, and the Yanks were not in on him.

  29. UnKnown December 28th, 2012 at 12:47 am

    http://espn.go.com/blog/playbo.....ctice-caps

    This is pretty cool. Interesting Yankee Hat.

  30. Doreen December 28th, 2012 at 6:28 am

    G. Love, I don’t think they were intentional shots at anyone else. But I think it is easy to draw a connection if you want to. Because what Matsui had makes it clear what some players lack, even some very good players.

    Swisher had a hard time in the playoffs. But he worked to improve his outfield play and I never doubted his work ethic and desire. He was able to come through so often in the regular season and didn’t he hit the HR on George’s birthday that won that game? I think Swisher would have served himself a little better by not taking the written word too much to heart. He became more afraid of failure in the playoffs, IMHO.

    Matsui had the focus on the job at hand and never seemed to be caught up in the swirl of emotion or whatever. Maybe to reach that next level you need to be able to take to the task at hand and separate out the unnecessary emotion.

    I enjoyed every moment of Matsui and hated when he signed elsewhere as a FA. When he came to NY, It was one of the best signings The Yankees ever made.

  31. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 6:53 am

    For anyone who might be interested Sherman states that the Yankees will have 4 picks in the 1st 65 in this June’s draft and 3 in the 1st 35.

    That is pretty awesome.

    ;)

  32. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 7:38 am

    MTU,

    They will have those picks when Soriano signs. No one seems to want to give up a first round pick for him, or perhaps, Boras is still asking for ridiculous numbers.

    Don’t you wish we could have one juicy rumor? The Yankees are talking to . . . anyone.

  33. blake December 28th, 2012 at 7:39 am

    The draft picks are definately nice ….problem is those guys drafted in 2013 won’t help the big club for years most likely unless another Mike Trout diamond can be found in the rough.

    Will we see a trade here soon or something ? tBD

    Morning all

  34. blake December 28th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    I think Soriano ultimately signs with one of 3 teams….Detroit, Dodgers, or Jays.

    All 3 of those teams are contenders and all 3 could use a lock down closer as a finishing touch

  35. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    Rebuilding is so sexy

  36. blake December 28th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Rebuilding sounds sexy…..but when it takes 10 years or more as it does for many teams its not all that sexy…..not saying it’ll take the Yanks that long because they will have more resources than like the Royals do ….but it’s not an easy thing to do…. and it often takes years

  37. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 7:46 am

    blake December 28th, 2012 at 7:45 am
    Rebuilding sounds sexy…..but when it takes 10 years or more as it does for many teams its not all that sexy…..not saying it’ll take the Yanks that long because they will have more resources than like the Royals do ….but it’s not an easy thing to do…. and it often takes years
    ————-

    ;)

  38. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Rebuilding can be sexy. It can also be ugly. Ask the Royals, Mariners etc. There is no direct path to success. Many players are called, few are chosen. I wish we could add a couple more prospects by trading Granderson even if it meant this year’s chances are further reduced.

  39. blake December 28th, 2012 at 7:49 am

    Youkallis is not sexy

  40. blake December 28th, 2012 at 7:51 am

    ” I wish we could add a couple more prospects by trading Granderson even if it meant this year’s chances are further reduced.”

    I wish we could trade for Upton then trade Grandy for Olt…..that’d give them two guys 25 and under to build around

  41. Duh Innings II December 28th, 2012 at 7:53 am

    How ’bout the Yanks trade Melky Mesa to the Cubs for Alfonso Soriano?

    The Cubs can’t possibly expect a top prospect for Soriano who turns 37 on January 7 and they can keep dreaming if they think they’re getting one even by paying $26M of his remaining $36M which is them saying they’re practically giving him away. Epstein’s spinning it like “We’re paying most of the bill so we expect top return.” Nah ah buddy boy. You think Soriano sucks so bad you’re paying over two-third of his remaining contract, so expect one young, cheap warm body which Mesa is.

    Let them clear $5M a year 2013-14 and give that money to Scott Hairston. We don’t need Soriano in the outfield, we need his 25-35 HR 100-110 RBI potential. He posted 32 HR and 108 RBI with a 101-loss team so I could EASILY see him post 25-35 and 100-110.

    Their best 2012 outfielder Johnson signed with the Braves. DeJesus sucks. Byrd was awful and will not return. Campana is a basestealing machine (30 SB in 33 SBA in 2012, 54 for 59 career in only 347 PA!) but has no power (one career homerun but none in 192 PA in 2012) Jackson was underwhelming, Sappelt had a nice cup of coffee, and Mesa would be a third option for LF along with those two assuming Campana remains the CF and DeJesus remains the RF.

    The way I look at it, Mesa has no future with the Yanks. I doubt he’d overtake CF from Gardner (assuming he and Granderson) who is under control through 2014, Ichiro is signed through 2014 for RF, and no way the Yanks would go with a Mesa/Gardner/Ichiro outfield in 2014.

    Ichiro RF L signed through 2014 at $6.5M a year
    Jeter SS R in a likely walk year as I doubt he exercises his $8M player’s option for 2014
    Cano 2B L in his walk year
    Soriano DH R signed through 2014 at $5M a year (assuming the Cubs pay $13M a year)
    Teixiera 1B S as the only player in this starting nine signed beyond 2014 (he, A-Rod, and Sabathia are the only Yankees signed to guaranteed contracts beyond 2014)
    Granderson LF L in his walk year
    Youkilis 3B R signed for 2013 only
    Romine C R under control through 2018
    Gardner CF L under control through 2014

  42. AAA December 28th, 2012 at 7:57 am

    For anyone who might be interested Sherman states that the Yankees will have 4 picks in the 1st 65 in this June’s draft and 3 in the 1st 35.

    That is pretty awesome.

    ===============================

    Projected weak draft class, but this is probably still a good thing. Of course 3 in the 1st 35 is the cool way of saying 3 picks between #28 and #35.

  43. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Sure Mac.

    This has been one of the most boring OS’s in recent memory thus far.

  44. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    Yea none of the Yanks picks will be high…..however there is talent at the back end of the first round and having 3 shots to get a gem is always better than 1…..

  45. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:04 am

    Damon Oppenheimer needs to sharpen up his pencil.

    ;)

  46. AAA December 28th, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Yea none of the Yanks picks will be high…..however there is talent at the back end of the first round and having 3 shots to get a gem is always better than 1…..

    ==============================================

    Won’t be any difference makers there, but sure, some talent will be on the board. Does the team get an increased draft budget with the sandwich pix?

  47. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    The Yankees have been hiring more and more scouts.

    They hired at least 2 more high profile ones this year alone.

  48. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 8:11 am

    MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:01 am
    Sure Mac.

    This has been one of the most boring OS’s in recent memory thus far.
    —————

    In all fairness, we saw the Pineda trade and signing Kuroda in January ’12, and Pettitte after that.

  49. luis December 28th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Good morning everyone,

    MTU,

    Santa was very nice with me, thanks for asking. I hope he was nice to you too my friend.

    Hideki was/is a class act.

    Mac, Blake,

    Rebuilding is not easy, but at this point, I don’t see a way around it. I would love to trade Grandy for prospects, the more prospects, the better chance we have to develop a new core.

  50. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Although it’s unlikely we see that much action late in the offseason this year. Then again, that’s the nature of surprises…

  51. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    “Won’t be any difference makers there, but sure, some talent will be on the board. Does the team get an increased draft budget with the sandwich pix?”

    Hard to say there won’t be any difference makers there….there will be guys that are less of sure things there….but many many quality big leaguers were taken late in the first round or even later…..you just have to get luckier the later it goes.

  52. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Drafting players is very inexact.

    Guys like Pujols, D-Rob, GGBG,Cano, Austin, etc. all show that.

    Later round picks all. Diamonds in the rough

    Then you get guys like Beckham, or many other 1st rounders who turn out to be absolute flops.

    Drafting early still has to be good though.

    Last year the Rays had like a Million picks in the 1st round.

    This year it’s our turn.

    :)

  53. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Mike Trout was a late first rounder …sandwich pick….Matt Kemp was taken in the later rounds…..etc….it can happen …you just have a lesser likelyhood that it will

  54. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Luis-

    Every day is like Xmas to me.

    :)

  55. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 8:19 am

    I think Trout was the 21st pick. You point still holds true. However, I would much prefer trading for a prospect with a track record than a draft pick who is often guesswork.

  56. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:21 am

    Blake-

    At some point I plan on invoking rule 54.

    Rule 54 states unequivocally that “All players who were born in the greater NYC metro area must play for the Yankees while still in their prime.”

    Guys like Price, Heyward, and Trout will therefore be Yankees at some point.

    :)

  57. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Mac-

    That is why a guy like JU is worth just about any of our prospects.

    Young, talented, and proven.

    ;)

  58. AAA December 28th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    I think Trout was the 21st pick.

    ========================

    #25. He was actually the Angels comp pick for the Yankees signing Teixeira.

  59. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    “#25. He was actually the Angels comp pick for the Yankees signing Teixeira.”

    Yup

  60. AAA December 28th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Hard to say there won’t be any difference makers there….there will be guys that are less of sure things there….

    ===========================

    Yeah, this is a better way of putting it.

  61. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 8:27 am

    All I remember about Trout is the Yankees wanted him. So sad.

  62. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    MTU,

    I have been thinking about Upton since the TD. I will keep hoping.

  63. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Striking it rich in the late first round requires some luck…..but if you’ve got 3 shots at it instead of one then your chances are better…..maybe the yanks should just draft the 3 best SSs available and hope one pans out

  64. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    austinmac says:
    December 28, 2012 at 8:27 am
    All I remember about Trout is the Yankees wanted him. So sad.

    Yup….the Yanks were actually one of the two teams that apparently knew what he was…sucks that the other team that did drafted him first

  65. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Mac-

    Nothing to lose doing that as long as you don’t hold your breath.

    ;)

  66. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Blake-

    I think the Yankee draft Philosophy is “best available” regardless of position.

    Maybe that is changing ?

  67. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:36 am

    “I think the Yankee draft Philosophy is “best available” regardless of position.”

    Yea that’s usually what you do…..but they need a SS pretty bad soon and it’s hard to figure where that’s coming from.

  68. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    Blake-

    Wasn’t that supposed to be Cito ?

    :)

  69. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    “Wasn’t that supposed to be Cito ?”

    Ugh….worst thing about that pick is that they passed on nick Castellanos to draft him….

  70. luis December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    MTU,

    Glad to hear :D About Upton… I don’t think he is proven yet, but yeah, he does have a record. His shoulder gives me pause, but he does have potential.

  71. AAA December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am

    maybe the yanks should just draft the 3 best SSs available and hope one pans out

    ================================

    Just took a flip thru Keith Law’s draft blog. Strength of the draft is supposedly college pitchers and HS catchers.

  72. AAA December 28th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    I think the Yankee draft Philosophy is “best available” regardless of position.

    ===================================

    I think everybody’s is. Don’t see that changing.

  73. AAA December 28th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Yea that’s usually what you do…..but they need a SS pretty bad soon and it’s hard to figure where that’s coming from.

    ======================================

    I think the next SS is more likely to come from FA market.

  74. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    Luis-

    The shoulder does concern me a bit too.

    His medicals should be checked very carefully.

    His Bro had labrum surgery. It might run in the Family ?

    Couple of tings for sure.

    He’s young, he has 5 tools, he had at least one excellent ML season, and he is likely to be better than anyone we have in our system.

    So I’m ready to take the plunge.

    Bring him on !

    :)

  75. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    AAA-

    Not sure if that is every team’s way.

    I think some teams also draft by need.

  76. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:51 am

    “I think the next SS is more likely to come from FA market.”

    Elvis !

  77. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Blake-

    What good is he gonna do with a guitar for a glove.

    :)

  78. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:54 am

    MTU,

    If we could get Elvis and Carlos Santana then we would be set and have good musicians too!

  79. AAA December 28th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Not sure if that is every team’s way.

    I think some teams also draft by need.

    ==================================

    You could be right, but I think they’re the extreme exception rather than the rule. Given the %age of draft picks that actually pan out, drafting for need seems especially stupid. Too much projection involved in both knowing that need will still be a need 2-4 years down the road and whether the guy you selected to fill that need will pan out. It’s probably less than a 15% chance.

  80. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Blake-

    Clever one you are.

    Keep scheming.

    ;)

  81. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    Most teams do draft the best player on their boards available simply because it is such a crap shoot …..

    However…IMO there are times when perhaps you should consider leaning heavy on an area you’re weak at … Especially later in the draft.

    The Yanks are pretty strong in the outfield and have some decent catching and pitching prospects….. They have virtually nothing on the left side of the infield though so basically what I’m saying is that unless there is just a player they really really like then perhaps they should draft as many SSs and 3B as they can …. Doesn’t mean you pass on a pitcher or catcher that you really like…. But they need to throw as many SSs at the wall as they can in case Elvis or Asdrubal etc….never hit the mArket

  82. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    AAA-

    The odds of almost any prospect making it to the Majors and becoming a good, productive everyday player are very, very small.

    It’s a numbers game.

    Throw lot’s of stuff at the wall and hope something sticks.

    There are very, very few Trouts, Harpers, Lincecums, etc.

    And the Yankees almost never get a crack at anyone like that.

    I favor draft pick swapping, and MiLB to MiLB trading.

    The former is not implemented, and the latter rarely happens.

  83. Tar December 28th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    I don’t think 3 years of Upton is worth the price in money and players. Can’t see him being the difference maker, especially at the expense of Williams, Sanchez etc.

  84. MTU December 28th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Mop walk time.

    later.

  85. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 am

    I’m not sure the Yankees have always drafted the best player available. It seems to me they focused heavily on pitching and catching thinking other position players were easier to obtain in other ways. But, they never let me in the draft room to listen in. Imagine that.

  86. blake December 28th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Tar says:
    December 28, 2012 at 9:21 am
    I don’t think 3 years of Upton is worth the price in money and players. Can’t see him being the difference maker, especially at the expense of Williams, Sanchez etc.

    Upton is one of the most talented players in baseball…..the likelyhood that either Williams or Sanchez is ever just as good as he is now isnt very high and Upton has legit top 5 player in baseball potential.

    I really don’t wanna trade Sanchez….but I would have to to get Justin….

  87. blake December 28th, 2012 at 9:45 am

    If the Yankees could trade Williams , Sanchez, + for Upton …..then deal Granderson to Texas for Olt then that’d be awesome.

    They’d have two guys 25 or younger to build around and would still have the two position players closest to the majors in Austin and Heathcott.

    Imagine a 2015 club with Upton, Heathcott, Austin in the OF…..and Olt, Andrus, Cano, and Tex in the infield….

    If they got Upton and Olt then they could actually afford to sign Cano and stay on budget.

    Pipe dreaming

  88. Benny Blanco December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    What’s are the chances grandy (in his final contract year ) hits 280. 35hr. 96 RBI and 25sb?

  89. blake December 28th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Benny Blanco says:
    December 28, 2012 at 10:06 am
    What’s are the chances grandy (in his final contract year ) hits 280. 35hr. 96 RBI and 25sb?

    The .280 BA is very unlikely I think…..but the rest very doable

  90. DONNYBROOK December 28th, 2012 at 10:33 am

    I understand it’s the holiday’s, and Hal has other things going, but his “press release” concerning Matsui was so weak, he shoulda just stayed in his pajamas and said Nothing. Hal has absolutely NO compassion for the sport of Baseball, or those that participate in it. The stuff coming outta his mouth is what is usually spouted atta retirement dinner for Any working stiff, in Any line of work. Blah\Blah\Blah, followed by a “gold watch” presentation, just don’t cut it with the Greatest Franchise in sports history. This is a Perfect example of why Hal and the Steinbrenner family oughtta just sell the team ASAP. Matsui’s a World Series MVP, a guy that publicly aplologized to the fans when he broke his arm attempting a diving catch in Yankee Stadium, and a guy that carried himself like Yankee Legends of the past. He deserves Far more than lip service from some Cold Fish inna suit.

  91. DONNYBROOK December 28th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    I wouldn’t deal Williams unless the Marlin’s Stanton was involved. The Yanks are just Beginning to pay the price for having dealt Austin Jackson. Let’s Not compound the error.

  92. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Blake, pass that pipe over to the rest of us.

  93. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2012 at 10:59 am

    austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Blake, pass that pipe over to the rest of us.

    —————-

    Word.

  94. blake December 28th, 2012 at 11:01 am

    austinmac says:
    December 28, 2012 at 10:56 am
    Blake, pass that pipe over to the rest of us.

    How about a spoonful of gruel instead?

  95. blake December 28th, 2012 at 11:02 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: These are NOT easy questions. In column, I simply try to explain my thinking. Here again is the link. http://t.co/PwnvClG8

    Rosenthals ballot where he didn’t vote for any PED guys

  96. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    I wanna see them surprise all of us and make a couple of big trades….. but how much they give up could be horrifying. If they do it, they gotta make sure the guys they get back are cost controlled for at minimum 3 years.

  97. blake December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I would love a big creative trade….but a trade for Morse or signing Napoli to a one year deal (depending on how that whole Laroche situation plays out) could really make a difference short term.

  98. DONNYBROOK December 28th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Napoli’s a defensive nightmare. Steve Balboni with a catcher’s mitt. NOPE

  99. blake December 28th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 28, 2012 at 11:11 am
    Napoli’s a defensive nightmare. Steve Balboni with a catcher’s mitt. NOPE

    DH and catch part time he’d be much better than what they have currently….yup

  100. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Napoli would immediately be a middle of the lineup guy, but I would be very surprised.

  101. chicken little December 28th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Napoli makes sense as a DH who perhaps catches once a week (twice at most) and spells Tex at 1B (when he DHs or gets a day off). If the Yanks somehow sign Napoli this is how I envison they would use him. On days napoli is in the field or on the bench Jeter, A-Rod (if he comes back), etc … can DH.

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock December 28th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Tar December 28th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    I don’t think 3 years of Upton is worth the price in money and players. Can’t see him being the difference maker, especially at the expense of Williams, Sanchez etc.
    ///

    I agree w/blake that Upton is an uber talent, but I am wary of his shoulder being an issue and I side with you that Sanchez, in particular, is not to be moved. I don’t care for trading Williams, either, since we again wouldn’t have a true CF, and since I like his character and what I saw live of his skills. Heathcott, I think, should end up a COF. At least, that’s where I think he would be best suited. I suppose our stance means no Upton, who would be a fantastic addition, optimally (if healthy), especially if Cano is retained. Not dealing Gary Sanchez, though, under practically any circumstances.

    Hope you guys all had a great Christmas.

  103. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    JAP,

    I have seen vague references to attitude issues with Williams. Have you heard any of that? Of course, I have had two 20 year old sons and attitude issues wouldn’t be unique.

  104. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Good morning and Happy Holidays!

    Actually, we have some potentially toolsy SS’s beyond Cito in the system. Don’t forget the Dominican kids and the Venezuelan (Aguilar); they are young but have elite tools, players such as, Abiatal Avelino, Jorge Mateo, Angel Aguilar, and Yancarlos Baez. I can’t wait until a few of them come stateside.

  105. pat December 28th, 2012 at 11:49 am

    TJQuinnESPN
    I’ve decided to give up my Hall of Fame vote. Here’s why: http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=8769398

  106. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    austinmac, they all have “attitude” issues at one time or another, it seems… It just may be another word for growing pains, learning how to do things the “Yankee” way. Learning humility, team concept vs. being more ostentatious, me-centered. Sanchez, Heathcott, Mason, etc.

    I would be surprised if we signed Napoli; we don’t like him as a catcher and don’t sign DH’s b/c we need the slot for our old guys, dontcha know…

  107. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    “Not dealing Gary Sanchez, though, under practically any circumstances.”

    QFT.

  108. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 11:51 am

    blake December 28th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    I really don’t wanna trade Sanchez….but I would have to to get Justin…
    ————-

    Yeah, that would rather obviously be the right organizational move. No one is untouchable, unless you’re damn sure he’s the next Mike Trout or Felix Hernandez.

  109. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 11:52 am

    “DH and catch part time he’d be much better than what they have currently….yup”
    __
    Yeah, right…

  110. Tar December 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    Blake

    I think you underestimating what it would take to land Upton. Im thinking like Sanchez, Williams and someone like Phelps. Also my point was hes not worth sending all that talent and paying his contract. He may be a good value, but he’s not cheap. And in 3 years or sooner you are back to being desperate again. I just don’t think he is enough to put the team over the top, so not worth it in my eyes.

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock December 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    austinmac,

    Hope you enjoyed Christmas with your family (or whatever you celebrate).

    The live game of Mason I saw, he really took charge in the OF and you could see he had his head in the game.

    It’s noteworthy, I think, that opposing managers rave about Williams; one said “It was Williams: HE beat us,” and others have said he’s the kind of player they’d want on their side, due to his leadership, etc.

    Could he have become a little full of himself? I don’t know about that. But what I saw of his “attitude”, and what I read, in terms of the high regard those competing against him have had to say, to say nothing of his physical skills, I’m certainly going to go by that.

  112. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I just don’t think he is enough to put the team over the top
    ———–

    I think another near .900 OPS season could certainly help put the team over the top. Who else on the roster is about to do that besides Cano? Tex, maybe?

  113. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Tar, Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas! It would be one thing if you were including Austin in the swap for Justin because they are both COF. But I wouldn’t like wasting both a potentially through the ceiling upside C, and CF plus more elite prospects b/c you are deleting all your top farm players and likely overpaying.

  114. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “It’s noteworthy, I think, that opposing managers rave about Williams; one said “It was Williams: HE beat us,” and others have said he’s the kind of player they’d want on their side, due to his leadership, etc.”
    _____
    That one game I saw him, SI at Brooklyn two years ago, Mason was dominant. He was the player that electrified on both sides of the ball. His speed was dazzling: his fielding, his base running, in of course a SSS.

  115. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Justin Upton had a better OPS in the pros at age 20, than Mason Williams had in the minors.

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock December 28th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    YF,

    Happy holidays to you! :)

    Custodio is one of those toolsy guys, but boy he had a disastrous day at SS at Staten Island when I saw him; in fact, the whole infield was just awful; seemed like “toolsy” guys who haven’t yet learned the art of defense, which is probably partially true, and also it was the first home game of the season. Never got back there, unfortunately.

    Any way, they were nothing like the tight, in-sync Culver-Gumbs duo out in Brooklyn in that Hughes’ rehab start. Those two kids flashed some leather that day and were pretty seamless.

  117. blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    “I think you underestimating what it would take to land Upton. Im thinking like Sanchez, Williams and someone like Phelps”

    If you think that package is too light then you have to agree that they should do it if Arizona would right ;)

    Look I love prospects…. But again the chances that either mason or Sanchez are ever as good as Upton is now are pretty low….and Upton hasn’t even hit his ceiling yet. J Upton is one of the 5 most talent player EVER drafted…..

    If you could get him and give up only A ballers then you have to IMO ….no matter how much you like them…. Simply because they could bust all together and leave you with nothing.

    Sanchez is the guy Id most like to keep…..but nobody is untouchable if you can get Upton for me….it’s simply about the number of guys you’d have to give

  118. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Merry Christmas, Pruf! Culver definitely can play D; loved that Jeterian play that he made in the hole. Of course Culver has that plus range at SS. Ditto, Custodio. Let’s hope Cito’s bat comes around to be at least adequate. Custodio offensively I am less concerned about. He was making the adjustment to moving up/night ball, etc. I’d love to see Gumb’s live a few years later. He and Culver as a duo are nice to watch. Too bad about Gumb’s tricep tear, but sounds like he will be back to normal in 2013 and rip it up. Hope to see those two in May games.

  119. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    blake, Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays!

    I’d love JUps too, but would be loathe to trade Sanchez. Maybe Austin, one of the CF’s; however, I wouldn’t want to give Arizona a haul. And I wouldn’t call our elite group A-ballers. Mason, Heathcott are ready for AA. Mason was set back by the injury/and numbers game. And Sanchez’s bat is ready for AA; the working on catcher’s D is what is retaining him in A. And his bat is extraordinary. Especially seeing the power live. I still think we would overpay for JUP, although I would love to have him.

  120. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Williams also comes from the small town where I grew up. I think he exceeded my baseball successes. Glad to hear your evaluation. Also glad his shoulder is apparently healthy.

    It is a rare 18-22 year old male who doesn’t think they know everything and believe themself invulnerable. No doubt I was quite mature at that age. :)

  121. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    What’s the precedent for even trading A ballers for an elite player like Upton? Has it ever happened?

    I can’t even see the Diamondbacks going for it.

  122. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    *loath

  123. blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    YF,

    Same to you….hope you’re well. They are A ball guys though….none of them have done anything in the upper levels yet and that’s a big jump…..Heathcott performing in the AFL is the closest any of them have come to showing heir stuff against better competition.

    I’m not saying I’m not excited about them….that group is vital to the yanks future …..but if I could turn two of them into a 25 year old cornerstone like Upton then I would …..

  124. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Again, calling them “A-ballers” is not accurate even if technically. They are rising AA’ers. :amd:

  125. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Gumbs is playing in the winter league so I think he is healthy. I have heard he has a good arm so I wonder if they might consider him for more SS work.

  126. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    * :mad:

  127. RayVT December 28th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Somehow I think a trade with the Reds is coming for a RH OF. (Stubbs)

    I think Phelps &/or Boone will be part of the deal.

  128. blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    RadioKev says:
    December 28, 2012 at 12:35 pm
    What’s the precedent for even trading A ballers for an elite player like Upton? Has it ever happened?

    Not really…..I can’t remember where Andrus and Feliz were when they were dealt for Tex…..but he was a half season rental…I can’t really think of another deal where a guy with multiple years of control like Upton was dealt for guys in A ball

  129. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Gumbs was healthy in Instructs too, so… He has a better body/range for 2B IMO. He was pretty muscular when I saw him two years ago. Bet he is even more so now. We have better defenders at SS.

  130. blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    yankeefeminista says:
    December 28, 2012 at 12:36 pm
    Again, calling them “A-ballers” is not accurate even if technically. They are rising AA’ers. :amd:

    It is though….especially Mason and Sanchez who probably will be at Tampa most of 2013

  131. jacksquat December 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    I’m not trading Sanchez for Upton. They eventually need to get a good hitting catcher on this team one way or another.

  132. blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Heathcott and Austin you could argue have graduated to the upper levels…..but they haven’t really played there.

  133. blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Unless they change their stance on catcher defense im not sure Sanchez will ever be our catcher anyways

  134. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    jacksquat December 28th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    I’m not trading Sanchez for Upton. They eventually need to get a good hitting catcher on this team one way or another.
    ————

    I can’t even envision the Yankee team that Sanchez could be on. Who’s on it? A-Rod, Cano, Teixeira, CC, and maybe Robertson?

    Sanchez is in the distant future. Justin Upton is a prime time player right now.

  135. blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    Id be happy if they could just trade some excess pieces for Morse

  136. blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    I think people don’t realize how talented Upton is…..he’s more talented overall than Stanton is….better defense….steals bases….

  137. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Got to go, but I still will argue to call them “A-ballers” doesn’t reflect their maturity/level of accomplishment. They all could easily be in AA. Although I get the technical categorization. And yeah, Sanchez probably won’t catch for us b/c JR frames better. Have a good day!

  138. jacksquat December 28th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Justin Upton is an outfielder. OF positions can be filled. You can get inexpensive outfielders that can hit decently. Inexpensive catchers usually don’t hit (unless they are young stars under control). They need to get a good hitting catcher on the team. Having guys that can hit well at C, SS, 2B and CF helps a team a lot. The other positions are much more easily filled with guys that can hit.

  139. RayVT December 28th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Ah! My bad! Indians already have Stubbs in trade with Reds!

  140. blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Got to go, but I still will argue to call them “A-ballers” doesn’t reflect their maturity/level of accomplishment”

    Well I mean these aren’t normal A ball guys….they are ranked in a lot of top 50s…..however that is as far as they have played thus far and until they show their stuff in the upper levels then their value can’t really take off.

    If this time next year all 4 of those guys have reache Trenton and performed there them the Yanks may have a top 5 system

  141. The Return of Stoneburner December 28th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    The attacks on JR Murphy (sarcastic and passive aggressive attacks at Yankees high command) are just baffling. Go Murph —-

  142. blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    “Justin Upton is an outfielder. OF positions can be filled”

    So is Ryan Braun…..potential elite hitters aren’t easy to find

  143. blake December 28th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    @joe_sheehan: This is really well done. T.J. Quinn on his Hall of Fame voting privilege: http://t.co/UE9a7Bcz

    Read this….great stuff

  144. Ys Guy December 28th, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    when you find yourself criticizing the wording of the owner’s press release about a player who isn’t even on the team, you know it’s time to step back from the computer and go for a walk.

  145. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Stoneburner,

    What attacks?

  146. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    I’m at physical therapy, but peeked in while I get elec stim to say no diss to JR who I am a big fan of and actually watch play game in and game out and have vocally supported. So, calm down.

  147. smartchoices December 28th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Ys Guy: “when you find yourself criticizing the wording of the owner’s press release about a player who isn’t even on the team, you know it’s time to step back from the computer and go for a walk.”

    Omg has Hal “embraced his responsibilities to his team and fans, and elevated his play when he was needed the most”? And did he do ” all these things with a humility”? Good grief, I might need a walk then.

    Withholding further comment on ‘frustrating’ off season because if money is being dumped into scouting and development where hands have yet to be tied, I’m all for that.

  148. CoreyMac December 28th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    “Yankees react to Rodriguez’s Retirement” would have been a much better headline.

  149. blake December 28th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: #Brewers agree with Mike Gonzalez.

  150. The Return of Stoneburner December 28th, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    What attacks?

    *******

    “And yeah, Sanchez probably won’t catch for us b/c JR frames better”

    *****

    It is the same thing that was said when Martin was joked – I just do not know why Murph needs to be dragged into this remark remark about Sanchez not catching in lieu of Murph b/c of framing alone – if Sanchez pans out defensively and does not need to change positions – then he will probably beat out Murphy at some point – assuming no one is traded and/or acquired – - – -

  151. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    I see that comment as a joke about the Yankees love for framing rather than offense rather than directed at Murphy. If Murphy hits again like he has before, he could be valuable as his catching is reportedly much improved.

  152. blake December 28th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Mike Gonzalez and Brewers have agreed to one year deal at $2.250m plus incentives #confirmed

  153. joeman December 28th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    CoreyMac December 28th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    “Yankees react to Rodriguez’s Retirement” would have been a much better headline.

    —————————————
    I would have paid for the party myself…well some of it

  154. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    If you were going to trade ALL the prospects for one or the other, who would you guys choose to go all in for: Santana or Upton?

  155. joeman December 28th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    blake December 28th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    Id be happy if they could just trade some excess pieces for Morse

    ———————
    Gardner

  156. blake December 28th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 28, 2012 at 2:37 pm
    If you were going to trade ALL the prospects for one or the other, who would you guys choose to go all in for: Santana or Upton?

    I probably wouldn’t trade ALL the prospects for either….but Id rather have Upton….more upside even though Santana plays a more premium position

  157. blake December 28th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Garnder isn’t an excess piece

  158. 4TrainNorth December 28th, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    GD, this winter is boring. I look on here every day for something to get me stoked for next season–and nothing. And now, today, these completely mailed-in Matsui statements. Give us something better to talk about, Cash & Co.

  159. Ys Guy December 28th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    how is gardner an extra piece? don’t we need a reasonably cheap CF the next couple of years?

  160. Ys Guy December 28th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    the complaints about these statements about matsui just show how much people want something to b*tch about.

  161. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    I think we’re more of a fit in a trade with the Dbacks.. but I wonder if you had to give up Sanchez in a deal if it wouldn’t be better to get a catcher instead.

  162. RMS December 28th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    4TrainNorth

    You’ll have more fun riding to the Woodlawn station than waiting for Cashman to do something.

  163. blake December 28th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 28, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    I think we’re more of a fit in a trade with the Dbacks.. but I wonder if you had to give up Sanchez in a deal if it wouldn’t be better to get a catcher instead.

    Maybe…in a vacuum is rather have Upton….but if you do have to deal Sanchez then doing it for Santana could make more sense…. I dunno….Id take either

  164. Ys Guy December 28th, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Due to fan complaints, Yankees CEO Hal Steinbrenner released this updated statement about the Matsui retirement:

    ” Ok, for real this time… Matsui was a nice guy i guess, although we never exchanged more than a hello while passing by. He was pretty good, though I was never to happy about his celebrated porn collection. And what was up with that drawing of his fiance?

    I suppose we’ll have to pay for his airfare from Tokyo on top of the appearance fee for the Old Timer’s Game every year going forward.
    On the whole he was a lot nicer than Gary Sheffield.”

  165. theREALkevin December 28th, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Culver’s a bust. That train has left the station. It’s time to convert him to a pitcher to see if you can salvage the draft pick.

  166. Jerkface December 28th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Not sure if anyone answered before, but the extra picks the Yankees are getting contribute to their draft pool. Too bad this is supposed to be a mediocre draft.

  167. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Too bad Culver is a bust at 19 or 20. Koufax should have been converted to shortstop because he was so wild at that age.

  168. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    Would have been one of the few left-handed shortstops ever, a nice novelty.

  169. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Can you imagine a 19 year old Koufax throwing wildly at 98 in the general direction of first? He could clear out that entire section in the stands.

  170. Shame Spencer December 28th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    blake December 28th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    December 28, 2012 at 2:46 pm
    I think we’re more of a fit in a trade with the Dbacks.. but I wonder if you had to give up Sanchez in a deal if it wouldn’t be better to get a catcher instead.

    Maybe…in a vacuum is rather have Upton….but if you do have to deal Sanchez then doing it for Santana could make more sense…. I dunno….Id take either

    ————–

    Yeah, me too :D

  171. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    austin,
    And the firstbaseman would be wearing catching gear.

  172. Jerkface December 28th, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Koufax was pitching above averagely in the majors at age 19. Cito is OPSing .600 in low A at age 19.

  173. Jerkface December 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    I understand the point, but anyone who tries to make it in that way needs to pick a better example. This is like when people try to point to Mantle’s ‘injury plagued’ years when talking about people discussing Jeter/A-rod’s decline, ignoring that Mantle was still a top 5 player in the league and definitely top player on the Yankees.

  174. The Return of Stoneburner December 28th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Chicken Friars is glad the Padres have not traded prospect Jedd Gyorko.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#SYA30eCihsvf9ztz.99

    *******

    I, however, am not glad – - – -

  175. Jerkface December 28th, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    No one should give up on Cito, but he was a reach pick when the Yankees took him & its looking like the rest of baseball knew what was up more than the Yankees. He is on the Carmen Angelini path to no where. It will be a pleasant surprise if Cito makes it past AA.

  176. The Return of Stoneburner December 28th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Culver’s a bust. That train has left the station. It’s time to convert him to a pitcher to see if you can salvage the draft pick.

    ******

    Say this about Culver – the man shows some patience at the plate and has defensive promise – maybe the patience at the plate will turn into higher average, etc – - – -still young and a switch hitter i believe – - – -

  177. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    All I’m saying is that judging a 19-year-old kid’s future is something I’m not qualified to do. Hell, I was voted most likely to succeed out of high school. Wrong, but I did all right when I grew up.

  178. randy l. December 28th, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    while looking up culver out of curiosity i noticed he had an august 26th birthday.

    that’s the perfect month to be born if you want to have the best chance of playing mlb baseball.

    http://bronxbaseballdaily.com/.....he-majors/

    “Go back to the opening fact, that players born on August 1 have an incredible advantage over players born just 24 hours before them. That magical date, August 1, gives us a clue as to what is causing this startling pattern.

    Since the mid-1900’s, all American non-school affiliated youth baseball leagues have set the cutoff date at July 31. Little League, Cal Ripken/Babe Ruth, PONY, and multiple other youth leagues use the same cutoff date.”

    if some team wanted to get players that have been undervalued they should look at june and july kids who will have had to play against older kids all the way through amateur ball .

  179. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    randy,
    You are a font of knowledge. Makes sense, too.

  180. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Culver isn’t hitting, but he is supposed to be very good with the glove. Maybe he will figure it out or maybe not. Time will tell on him as with everyone else.

  181. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Of course, the reason Koufax was in the majors was because of the amount of his bonus. Over some unknown amount,they had to go straight to the majors. No doubt the rule was meant to discourage big bonuses. It also probably ruined some kids.

    Were GB here, he could readily give us more details.

  182. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    austin,
    Are you actually saying “wait and see”?

  183. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Yep, my birthday is in September. It helped me be an older star in little league. Now, I’m just older.

  184. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Tom,

    I am. He is 20. Young players are fun to watch. I hope ours turn out. And they better be quick about it, evidently.

  185. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    austin,
    We can relive some fantasies with these young guys. I have to use a cane, but my swing is still good enough to knock some punk’s teeth out with it if need be.

  186. randy l. December 28th, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    “You are a font of knowledge. Makes sense, too.”

    tomingeorgia-

    i know about this because i was a june 30th kid.

    that meant i played little league against kids almost a year older and i played high school baseball the same way.

    it looks like culver started school early though. it looks like he graduated high school early if he had a pro year at age 17 .

    looks like culver had the age advantage in little league and youth leagues , but not in high school.

    jeter was a late june kid and alex a late july kid which would make them both play little league and amateur baseball at an age disadvantage

    i don’t think it matters with superstar players, but with lower talent mlb players it probably helps when they were kids to have the age advantage.

    baseball is after all a craft.

  187. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Tom,

    I still remember when I realized that some of these guys were younger than me. It was a mere shortage of ability that held me down.

  188. randy l. December 28th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    http://www.slate.com/articles/.....ummer.html

    original slate article if anyone is interested.

  189. austinmac December 28th, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    Where I grew up, my September birthday allowed me to enter school so my advantage turned disadvantage as I was in the youngest month.

  190. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    randy,
    It is a craft, like anything else. You start out with some talent in it, hone that talent and see what happens. Unless you have some supreme innate skill, that’s what it takes to be good at anything.

  191. blake December 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Nobody is saying Cito is a bust already at 19….but he’s gotta hit at some point pretty soon….reports are he’s great with the glove…. But teams won’t wait forever for guys to hit anymore….they’ll just move on to tr next guy. Ozzie smith couldn’t hit a lick until like his 5th year in the majors……I kinda doubt he would have stuck around long enough to become Ozzie smith had he played today…..he may have ended up being Jose Iglesias

  192. Jerkface December 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    I think therealkevin says he is a bust :)

  193. blake December 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    And again the biggest thing that stinks about the Culver pick was that they could have drafted Castellanos instead

  194. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    blake,
    Ozzie Smith NEVER did hit a lick. Could do nice back flips, though.

  195. blake December 28th, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    Jerkface says:
    December 28, 2012 at 5:55 pm
    I think therealkevin says he is a bust

    Well I do think it’s too soon to say that…..not too soon to be worried about that happening though

  196. Jerkface December 28th, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    Cito has about 2 more seasons before he is a complete bust, as thats when the Yankees will have to rule 5 protect him.

  197. blake December 28th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    December 28, 2012 at 5:55 pm
    blake,
    Ozzie Smith NEVER did hit a lick. Could do nice back flips, though.

    He turned into an ok hitter after years of having a noodle bat….but it was his 5th season before he even got his OPS over .600…..there is literally no way that would fly today….there are too many SS that can’ actually field and hit now

  198. Jerkface December 28th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    Smith for about a 10 year stretch hit .272 .354 .344 .699 which if you factor in his defense is pretty good. A .354 OBP is great for an elite defensive shortstop.

  199. tomingeorgia December 28th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    blake,
    It’s never too early to worry, I guess. That seems to be the preoccupation around here.

  200. blake December 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Jerkface says:
    December 28, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    Smith for about a 10 year stretch hit .272 .354 .344 .699 which if you factor in his defense is pretty good. A .354 OBP is great for an elite defensive shortstop.

    Right…. He made himself into a decent hitter….but my point was that it took him like 5 years to do it and I’m not sure he would have been given the chance had he played today

  201. blake December 28th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    The Red Sox just signed Steven Drew because Iglesias hits like Ozzie did for the first 4 years of his career

  202. Jerkface December 28th, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    I was just responding to the idea that he never hit. Modern day ozzie smith would have been a utility infielder after a year or two.

  203. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    I imagine it’s that there is an initial, immediate advantages for the older kids and then they just see their careers out longer due to that initial success and encouragement. Like just about everything else in life.

  204. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    blake December 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
    And again the biggest thing that stinks about the Culver pick was that they could have drafted Castellanos instead
    ———

    If you go with the dark horse you better be sure you’re right.

  205. Jerkface December 28th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    If you look at any sport with age cut offs for participation in leagues, the kids who are older (& therefore more developed) tend to make up a larger proportion of the professional player base. Super stars will come from any birth date because their innate talent is so higher that they will succeed vs older competition & likely stand out even more in that case & receive the same special instruction/attention that the older players are receiving.

    In hockey older players get on more all-star teams, get better instruction, and thus tend to develop better. If everyone got the same instruction level, age probably would not matter.

  206. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    If everyone got the same instruction level, age probably would not matter.
    ————-

    Yeah Jerkface, it’s hardly a mystery.

  207. RadioKev December 28th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    That or Leo’s are really damn good at baseball.

  208. theREALkevin December 28th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Ozzie Guillen isn’t a good comp to Culver. Look at Ozzie’s minor league stats. They are a million times better than Culver’s.

  209. blake December 28th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Ozzie Smiths first 4 years in the big leagues combined slash line

    .235/.291/.278/.578

    There is literally no way he would have kept a starting job with that offense in 2012

  210. theREALkevin December 28th, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    Oops. My mistake, I misread Ozzie Smith as Ozzie Guillen. Well, even so Ozzie Smith hit .303/.391/.362 in low A in his single season in the minors. Better than what Culver is putting up. Plus, I know people are saying Culver’s defense is solid, but is it Ozzie Smith good? I’d be willing to bet not even close.

  211. Pat M. December 28th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    Some scouts say that Culver’s glove is big league ready. Tin Cup, have a safe New Year’s. Are you hitting the ball in Florida ??? I plan on hitting the back nine by the end of January. This Pilates sht is hard but the payoff is amazing. We never did anything like this back in our playing days

  212. blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: HOF ballot: Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Morris, Murphy, Palmeiro, Piazza, Sosa. Would’ve voted for Raines,Schill if I could’ve

    Captain let everybody in

  213. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Blake,….Stieb gets in before Morris.

  214. PacoDooley December 28th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    Pat M. December 28th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
    Some scouts say that Culver’s glove is big league ready.
    ——————————–

    No way this is true – he made an absolute heap of errors this year from what I recall.

  215. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Cito’s made errors because he has plus to plus plus range and therefore gets to balls that many SS couldn’t. You have to qualify why Cito made the errors. The number really doesn’t bother me.

    Also as far as his hitting goes, it hasn’t been very good, but I noticed that he did have 22-24% LD rates in the last two months of season. I believe he is a natural lefty, but his approach from the right side looked better to me, in the brief AB’s that I saw him hit. Also he is a switchy, so he may take more time to get comfortable. I read that they supposedly have been tweaking his swing path, so hopefully that helps with making better contact.

  216. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    I was thinking about Bill Lee while folder laundry tonight,…what an idiot.Play the game, save your shoulder.

  217. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Sorry, ” folding ” – crap

  218. mick December 28th, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    why do the knicks get off to these slow starts?

  219. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Mick, I’m so glad I don’t follow basketball. Yes should have been in the hall prior Rush, …and Rush would and will and are have been saying so.

  220. tucker December 28th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    I don’t really buy the indignation expressed by some writers. And as far as excluding Bonds for PED use, he was well on his way to the HOF before it is alleged hat he started steroids (1998, after Mark McGwire visited Candlestick.) You may have an argument in excluding Sosa because his post-juice numbers were rather pedestrian. But Bonds was a force before he started the PEDs. He was unstoppable after he started using … It is one thing to discount him so he so-called character criteria, but he guys numbers were rapidly approaching HOF caliber before he became Balco’s top client.

  221. yankeefeminista December 28th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    jmills, have you been watching the world junior hockey tourney at all? I keep forgetting that the NHL Network in the states is supposed to be showing it.

  222. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Thing is, I didn’t want Bonds anywhere near Aaron similiar to how I admire Maddux and ignore Clemons.

  223. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Hi YF! I’m not getting up early to watch Canada’s juniors. I’d rather go to a good Blondie concert :)

  224. tucker December 28th, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    I think Bonds belongs in the hall of fame, but there should be a full explanation of the evidence that he used on his plaque.

  225. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Ok, Tucker, the guy was an amazing hitter, and maybe his plaque should say , ” look at the cost “

  226. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 10:57 pm

    This year we momentarily lost Bert Sugar.
    Mr. Sugar came on the local sports radio up here once in a while from your land to tell us boxing stories like you can’t believe. Have a great swing Mr. Sugar!!!

  227. tucker December 28th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Don’t think his HR title is legit,’but his numbers pre-PED use were on the pace to be Hall-worthy.

    At what cost is an interesting question. The steroids era, in a way, helped the game a great deal. It helped baseball rebound from the 94 strike and coincided with a building boom of baseball parks. Selig, etc., were among the biggest beneficiaries of the drug use. Now everyone expresses moral outrage at what the players did … Just seems inconsistent.

  228. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    Tucker, I know, but fact remains, you and I were conned.

  229. mick December 28th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    part of the bonds denial is based on his personality.
    would be nice if reporters were objective but the real world isn’t like that.
    peoples are peoples…some muppet said that.

  230. mick December 28th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    baseball is a game of numbers more than any other.
    the #’s were corrupted.
    that’s a big part of it, the sanctity of baseball.

  231. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    I remember being at olde Exhibition stadium circa 1977 and Bobby Bonds hits this mammoth HR for the Angels ( no kidding left field bleachers ) and Ryan was pitching!

    ….Jays lost 3 – 1 or something

  232. tucker December 28th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Well, the writers were duped, perhaps triggering the indignation.

    I could only imagine McGwire’s chuckle after one writer discovered the Andro and creatine in his locker. These were supplements sold over the counter, and the question was raised at the time whether he gained an unfair advantage by taking those substances. The truth was much darker.

    One problem I have had with the coverage of the steroid era is how the public perceives the NFL compared to MLB. There are dozens of infractions by NFL players each year with relatively little scrutiny.

  233. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    There is a sickening compilation of head hits in football as there is in hockey; it must stop. On top of that, drug use that they all deny.

  234. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    I guess what I’m saying,….get rid of the head hunters.

  235. Ys Guy December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Knickerbockers impressive 3rd Q!

  236. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Ys, I think I’m too stupid to understand putting a beach ball into a basket ! :)

  237. Ys Guy December 28th, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    the knicks were losing by 24 at one point and 21 at the half. they cut it to 6 at the end of the third!

    even if you’re not a bball fan, that’s impressive!

    but it wont count for nothin if they don’t win the game now…

  238. jmills December 28th, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Steve Nash is taller than me and considered short. Baseball it was for me considering the hockey thing was agreed insanity. I had the Johnny Bench batter up cemented in my North Toronto back yard. Yah!

  239. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    nice! LOVED the batter-up!

    did you have an “elston howard” dounut, too?

  240. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    point game!

  241. yankeefeminista December 29th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Hi jmills, I can’t remember the last time I saw Blondie perform, but it definitely wasn’t the penultimate gig at CBGB. It was before the latter became a tourist trap. Saw some great gigs there in the old days. :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rxkiQ1IrqM

  242. tucker December 29th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    Basketball certainly is not as complicated as a Geddy Lee bass line (having spent my teen years trying to master both.)

  243. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:02 am

    knicks by 2!

    i had it wrong, they were actually down by 27 at one point!

  244. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Ys, no, I don’t know what that other thing is :) didn’t Elston Howard play in Toronto with the Triple A Maple Leafs ?

  245. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am

    Tucker, Milt Hinton in a bassist to listen to.

  246. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    elston caught the rookie stotlemeyre the first yankees game i went to.

  247. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 12:08 am

    Sorry, ” in ” means ” is ” :)

  248. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 12:13 am

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/P.....#038;rel=0

  249. tucker December 29th, 2012 at 12:14 am

    Jill’s, I was a particular fan of Jaco Pastorius. He was the Hendrix of bass players … Marcus Miller is a pleasure to listen to …

    As far as the rock genre, Chris Squires had a much nicer touch than Geddy.

  250. tucker December 29th, 2012 at 12:15 am

    Jmills … Sorry, autocorrect.

  251. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 12:19 am

    I like Chris Squires a lot, since I can’t play a lick, I have no vested interest.

  252. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:21 am

    knicks lose on a buzzer beater! what a great 2nd half!

  253. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 12:24 am

    Ys,….carry on my wayward son.

  254. RadioKev December 29th, 2012 at 6:44 am

    blake December 28th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
    @Buster_ESPN: HOF ballot: Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Morris, Murphy, Palmeiro, Piazza, Sosa. Would’ve voted for Raines,Schill if I could’ve

    Captain let everybody in

    ————-

    Sosa? Meh

  255. blake December 29th, 2012 at 7:56 am

    I would have voted for Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Biggio, Bagwell, Raines, Trammel, and schilling

  256. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Matt Sosnick, agent for infielder Freddy Sanchez, tells Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that his client is healthy and has received some interest from teams, though no offers. Sanchez, 35, has been plagued by injuries over the last two seasons and was limited to just 10 minor league plate appearances in 2012.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#DRsm4Q2xPA8FGF1g.99

  257. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    It’s a “gamble on both sides” for Chase Headley and the Padres that there are apparently no extension talks taking place between the club and the third baseman. Headley is under team control for two more years, but a repeat of his 2012 numbers could make him too expensive for the Padres to lock up.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#DRsm4Q2xPA8FGF1g.99

  258. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    If I’m the Padres then I wanna see Headley do that again before offering him a big extension ….Id love to sign him to an affordable deal ….he’s a really good player but he’s only played at an elite level for half a season.

    Honestly I think they should trade him right now for max return because if he does repeat then they probably can afford him…..and if he doesn’t then his trade value will drop……this seems like one of those cases where a small market team is holding an asset for no reason to me…..

  259. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Can’t afford him

  260. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:35 am

    I think some dominoes may fall once the Laroche/ Napoli situation gets resolved

  261. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Aside from a big deal for Upton or somebody…..Im hopeful that Laroche will either sign with the Nats ( allowing the Yanks to trade for Morse)…..or sign with Boston (allowing the Yankees to perhaps sign Napoli to a one year pillow deal)…..

    Either wound really help the lineup

  262. 86w183 December 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Morning Blake —-

    Looks like you’re reduced to talking to yourself this morning!

    Been there, done that.

    Padres are in a quandry with Headley. They should sell high or commit long term and hope the second half of 2012 is a harbinger of things to come.

  263. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:43 am

    86,

    Yes….Im alone with my thoughts apparently

  264. 86w183 December 29th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    I think Morse is more likely…. though if the Yanks put out feelers on Napoli it might make the Sawx back down and commit to the three years. I always though that original offer was way high. so saddling Boston with that $$$$ might pay off in other ways.

    I don’t really want Napoli catching a lot, but his bat is strong.

  265. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:47 am

    I think Boston ultimately signs Napoli ….they are just using the physical to try and get him cheaper it seems.

    And I also think the Nats ultimately sign Laroche…..Morse makes a ton of sense if those things happen and he shouldn’t cost a ton as a rental. He could really make a big impact I think

  266. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    @uniformcritic: Baseball exit polling RT @jasoncollette @jonahkeri Raines is leading in terms of published ballots so far http://t.co/CP5mzYIf

  267. 86w183 December 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am

    I agree on LaRoche re-upping. Morse is definitely a low risk/high reward target.

    Real key is the price. I think more of Nova’s potential than you do. Would like to see if there was someone else that might interest them. Thoughts?

    How about a blockbuster based around Cano for Espinsosa/Morse?

  268. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:59 am

    “How about a blockbuster based around Cano for Espinsosa/Morse?”

    I think there is zero chance they trade Cano…..but just for fun….if they did id have to get Rendon in the deal and more.

    The yanks may not even have to give Nova for Morse…..I just don’t know exactly what he’d cost….but Morales got dealt for Jason Vargas…..Morse might have a little more value but that should be a decent comp

  269. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    ESPN did an article about five guys to bounce back (insider) –

    Nova made the list (along with Upton, Lawrie, Hosmer, and Ackley) – - – -

  270. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Sherman brought up an interesting tib bit in his Hughes article – could Kuroda be back for 2014 – depends on a bunch of facotrs – but could see Hughes, Kuroda, Cano, Granderson receiving QOs after 2014 (assuming no trades before then) – - – -

  271. blake December 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    Maybe you could deal like Logan and Flores or something for morse…..I dunno

  272. 86w183 December 29th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Saw that article… I tend to agree.

    The big thing for Nova is FB command. If I could make the rules, I would insist he throw nothing but fastballs and change ups until mid March.

    I’d hire Greg Maddux as a special instructor in spring training. Maybe the guy with the greatest fastball command in the history of baseball would be able to teach a thing or two to Nova, Hughes, Joba and Phelps.

  273. blake December 29th, 2012 at 10:04 am

    “Sherman brought up an interesting tib bit in his Hughes article – could Kuroda be back for 2014 – depends on a bunch of facotrs – but could see Hughes, Kuroda, Cano, Granderson receiving QOs after 2014 (assuming no trades before then) – – – -”

    Here is the thing though….what if they all said yes? Unlikely but that’d be like 50+ million bucks and with the budget that might send them over the Hal Steinbrenner fiscal cliff

  274. blake December 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am

    I haven’t given up on Nova….he’s still young and has good stuff so he could find it and improve his command and add some deception to his delivery…..I just have enough doubt that Id deal him for a guy like Morse if I had to

  275. austinmac December 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am

    I don’t see any possibility of Kuroda returning in 2014 and consuming a large chunk of available money. They won’t be able to pay an more big salaries to anyone with so many spots to fill.

  276. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Here is the thing though….what if they all said yes? Unlikely but that’d be like 50+ million bucks and with the budget that might send them over the Hal Steinbrenner fiscal cliff

    ******

    Possibly – but I doubt Cano accepts b/c he would be taking a pay cut – ditto with Granderson – but then again – some players are seeing what is happening to Bourn and others who received QOs and declined this offseason – - – -

  277. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    I don’t see any possibility of Kuroda returning in 2014 and consuming a large chunk of available money. They won’t be able to pay an more big salaries to anyone with so many spots to fill.

    *****

    The way I see it – and this is just me with my informal spreadsheet – Yanks have money for a big ticket No. 2 – and this is even after signing Cano – - – -I could see the Yanks opening their arms for 15-16 million a year for Kuroda if he wants to come back – the hickup for me is finding a no. 3 – - – -

  278. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 10:23 am

    I am looking forward to seeing what develops b/w Marshall in AAA and Turley and Ramirez in AA – doubtful the AA guys have much of an impact for 2014 – I am also not ready to write off Warren as a backend starter – those guys are going to become valuable in that no. 5/4 hole – - – -

  279. Shame Spencer December 29th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    The way I see it – and this is just me with my informal spreadsheet – Yanks have money for a big ticket No. 2 – and this is even after signing Cano –

    ——————

    Could spend that money to retain Hughes long term as opposed to Kuroda on another one year pact.

    I hope we don’t have to pick between Cano and Hughes but it’ll be interesting if they do.. I mean, pitching is key, right?

  280. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    I usually do not start paying attention to U.S. amateur draft until April/Mayish – but I saw a snid bit in the post that had 2013′s strength (while viewed as below average) to be in college pitchers and HS positional players – - – -

  281. jacksquat December 29th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    @Buster_ESPN: HOF ballot: Bagwell, Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Morris, Murphy, Palmeiro, Piazza, Sosa. Would’ve voted for Raines,Schill if I could’ve

    Yeah, too bad they were bumped off by roid users…

  282. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    Could spend that money to retain Hughes long term as opposed to Kuroda on another one year pact.

    *****

    Very true – I am interested to see how Hughes performs in his walk year – I would love it if Hughes pitches to a point where everyone wants him back – - – -

  283. 86w183 December 29th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    I have never bought into Schilling as a Hall of Famer.

    He had a few great seasons, but was inconsistent throughout his career. EIGHT seasons with a losing record is a big deal to me. Yeah, two were minimal, but six others were full big league seasons.

    216 wins is pretty mediocre for a Cooperstown candidate. Yes he has phenomenal post-season numbers, but that’s not enough to make up for a career of huge peaks and deep valleys.

  284. blake December 29th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    “Yeah, too bad they were bumped off by roid users…”

    Or two guys that weren’t but were worse players in murphey and Morris.

  285. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 10:38 am

    With power becoming harder to find, lots of teams are shifting towards a contact-oriented offense. They seek players who can hit for average and put the ball in play to force the defense’s hand, move runners over, all sorts of stuff. Few players manage to be above-average at both hitting for power and putting the ball in play, but Miguel Cabrera, Adrian Beltre, Robinson Cano, and Albert Pujols are among those who pull it off.

    The league average strikeout rate in 2012 was 19.8% (of all plate appearances). Marco Scutaro had the lowest strikeout rate among qualified hitters this year (7.2%) while Jose Reyes was second (7.8%). Adam Dunn, on the other hand, had the highest strikeout rate at 34.2%. Only four other players (Pedro Alvarez, Drew Stubbs, Carlos Pena, Chris Davis) were over 30%. Strikeouts are not the only way to identify hitters who can put the ball in play though, especially in the age of PitchFX. Contact rate, which is available at FanGraphs and uses PitchFX data, is the percentage of contact made with individual swings. The league average contact rate was 79.6% this past season, with Scutaro (95.2%) and Josh Hamilton (64.6%) representing the two extremes. No other player was above 92.6% or below 66.9%.

    Here are the remaining unsigned free agents who posted better than average strikeout and contact rates in 2012 (min. 200 PA). The lists, as you’ll notice, are not identical.

    Strikeout Rate

    Carlos Lee – 8.0%
    Casey Kotchman – 9.8%
    Juan Rivera – 10.3%
    Yuniesky Betancourt – 11.0%
    Johnny Damon – 12.1%
    Ryan Theriot – 12.2%
    Adam Kennedy – 16.4%
    Jose Lopez – 16.5%
    Travis Hafner – 17.5%
    Orlando Hudson – 18.0%
    Yorvit Torrealba – 18.3%
    Delmon Young – 18.4%
    Scott Rolen – 18.8%
    Rod Barajas – 19.1%
    Contact Rate

    Lee – 89.5%
    Theriot – 89.3%
    Damon – 89.2%
    Kotchman – 87.7%
    Betancourt – 85.3%
    Rivera – 84.8%
    Hudson – 84.6%
    Kennedy – 84.4%
    Rolen – 84.0%
    Lopez – 83.7%
    Bobby Abreu – 82.9%
    Jeff Baker – 80.2%
    Hafner – 79.7%

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#KjXxvEgO3214ExMf.99

  286. blake December 29th, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Schilling was absolutely dominating in his prime….he was one of the best pitchers I’ve seen in my lifetime at his best and he owns the best K/BB ratio in history.

    Personally I think peak performance should be weighed more than it is for players…..guys that were fantastic for a shorter period should be considered just as much as guys that were pretty good for a long time……

  287. ron December 29th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    I don’t know if it is the yankees strategy to keep giving qo’s to collect on the picks,but the yankees simply can’t lose a granderson,cano,kuroda,hughes without getting anything in return.
    It would devestate a team.

    If you wan’t to give them all qo’s,then collect a gazillion picks,fine but the offense still has to somewhat be replaced,and these picks are years away,and free agents are expensive.

    I’m much more in favor of trading a cano,granderson,hughes for a combination of prospects,players than giving qo’s to every player.
    I think it was a waste letting swisher go for nothing when he would of gotten us a decent prospect in return.

  288. Shame Spencer December 29th, 2012 at 10:49 am

    I dunno.. Schilling was always a cusp guy, IMO. He had a really, really streaky career. But again, it all comes back to interpretation of what it means to belong in the Hall.

  289. DONNYBROOK December 29th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    I would vote for Piazza and then shut-it-down. USA Sports Weekly reported that Bagwell had 6 HR’s in 731 minor league AB’s. Smoke and fire here. NOPE

  290. Shame Spencer December 29th, 2012 at 10:50 am

    ron December 29th, 2012 at 10:47 am

    I don’t know if it is the yankees strategy to keep giving qo’s to collect on the picks,but the yankees simply can’t lose a granderson,cano,kuroda,hughes without getting anything in return.
    It would devestate a team.

    —————-

    I wonder if the factions in the FO aren’t waiting to see who blinks first…

    If I’m Cash, I’m saying to myself ‘surely, they will not be able to let Hughes and Cano walk away for nothing seeing what’s on the horizon for 2014′ and am therefore not shopping either of them.

  291. DONNYBROOK December 29th, 2012 at 10:57 am

    Considering the Yankees got the cash, this draft pick stuff is BS. Hal just wants to cram the $$$ into his pocket.

  292. 86w183 December 29th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Schilling had a four year run where he had three phenomenal seasons (2001-04) with one of the years pretty ordinary (8-9, 2.95).

    If you study the totality of his career he isn’t even close. He has a 3.46 ERA with 70 % of his career in the National League.

    And even though he’s been a sanctimonious ass about PED users I’m certainly suspicious of a guy who’s best seasons came at ages 34, 35, and 37.

    Mussina and Pettitte and Jack Morris and Jim Kaat and Tommy John ALL more deserving.

  293. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  294. blake December 29th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    “Mussina and Pettitte and Jack Morris and Jim Kaat and Tommy John ALL more deserving.”

    None of those guys were as good as Schilling at his best……I think Moose should be a HoFer…..the rest are borderline for me….if Andy has another good year or two then he should be in

  295. 86w183 December 29th, 2012 at 11:14 am

    Nice article. I’m fine with giving Mustelier and Dickerson a chance to replace Jones/Ibanez.

    I doubt that they would come anywhere near the HR production, but batting average, base running and defense should all be dramatically improved.

    I would also be okay with signing Juan Rivera

  296. blake December 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    December 29, 2012 at 10:57 am
    Considering the Yankees got the cash, this draft pick stuff is BS. Hal just wants to cram the $$$ into his pocket.

    You can’t buy young players….so even if the second point is true….they still need the draft picks to get younger and to have a future

  297. blake December 29th, 2012 at 11:17 am

    You can spend money like crazy and not develop players or worry about the draft…..but then you end up being this current Yankee team with a 200 million dollar payroll that buys you nothing but a bunch of geezers

  298. Chip December 29th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    MLBTraderumors listed the best remaining hitters based on lowest k rate and highest contact rate. Of the right handed hitters the two best are Carlos Lee and Juan Rivera. I think both could be considerations for the Yankees. Lee rejected a trade to NY last year but this winter the Yanks could offer him more regular time at dh. Neither can field like Hairston but both could be signed to one year deals.

  299. Chip December 29th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    I’m fine with mustellier, Dickerson makes no sense as all three starting of are also lh…

  300. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    7. The David Price sweepstakes
    Price’s salary will skyrocket this winter, in his first year of arbitration eligibility, following a Cy Young Award-winning season — and the presumption among rival executives is that Tampa Bay will be forced to trade him sometime before next Christmas. Maybe the deal will happen before the July 31 trade deadline, maybe sometime after the season. But the Rays can’t keep him long-term, considering that the next long-term deal he signs will be worth something in the range of $150 million to $200 million. If they want to recoup trade value for him, the best time to trade him will be before the start of the 2014 season. When he hits the market, the baseball world will revolve around the left-hander.

    8. Robinson Cano’s free agency meets Yankees’ austerity
    The second baseman is one of the pre-eminent players in baseball, and he’ll be a free agent in the fall, right in the middle of his prime. But as the Yankees prepare for what is expected to be Cano’s Alex Rodriguez-like contract demand, they are dealing firsthand with the cautionary tale of Rodriguez, whose days as a star player appear to be over at age 37. Cano will turn 31 next October: Should the Yankees pay him when he hits the market next fall? Will they pay him? We’ll see.

    Jim McIsaac/Getty Images
    How quickly Jeter has full range in the field could help determine hitting milestones.
    9. Milestones
    Derek Jeter had an incredible 216 hits last season, at age 38, finishing the year with 3,304 for his career. If he adds 180 more this season, he’ll pass Eddie Collins (3,315), Paul Molitor (3,319), Carl Yastrzemski (3,419), Honus Wagner (3,420) and Cap Anson (3,435) — and that would put him sixth on the all time hit list. The top five: Pete Rose (4,256), Ty Cobb (4,189), Hank Aaron (3,771), Stan Musial (3,630) and Tris Speaker (3,514).

    Alex Rodriguez is 99 hits from 3,000, a milestone probably out of reach in 2013 as he comes back from major hip surgery. Next-closest to 3,000 hits among active players: Ichiro, with 2,606. Rodriguez is 13 home runs from Willie Mays’ 660, which ranks fourth all time.

    Albert Pujols needs 25 homers to reach 500 for his career. Roy Halladay (199 career wins), Tim Hudson (197) and CC Sabathia (191) are all on the verge of 200 career victories. Johan Santana needs 12 more strikeouts for 2,000 in his career.

    Via ESPN – - – -

  301. blake December 29th, 2012 at 11:28 am

    “: Should the Yankees pay him when he hits the market next fall? Will they pay him? We’ll see.”

    Probably not…,,but probably will

  302. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    bring juan rivera home.

  303. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    the yankees are going to need a ‘face’ when jeter retires (2014?, 2015?) and cano is the guy. i don’t like the prices but im pretty sure they are going to pay it. hopefully he doesnt fade until after tex’s contract ends. obviously nothing can be done about the centaur…

  304. blake December 29th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    @AdamKilgoreWP: Adam LaRoche remains hopeful he’ll stay in DC, but says, “it takes two sides cooperating to make that happen.” http://t.co/UfkvVnI8

  305. 86w183 December 29th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    The Yanks don’t need a “face” at all. Most teams don’t have one.

    I’d be stunned if LaRoche doesn’t re-up with the Nationals. He’s just pouting about the fact no one will give him three years. He’ll get over it eventually.

  306. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am

    “We’re talking to a few other teams,” said LaRoche to Kilgore yesterday. “Got to keep things open in case Washington doesn’t work out. I’m still hopeful that it will, but as you know it takes two sides cooperating to make that happen. I’m doing everything I can.”

    LaRoche went on to add, “It is important that I resign with Washington. This will open up a Michael Morse trade to the Yankees and bring that lineup to another level. I can see him splitting time between rightfield and the DH.”

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#lv449tXT8OFvz5Vc.99

  307. blake December 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am

    I agree the Yanks don’t need a face per se…..especially not one that’s paid way too much past their prime. Id love to keep Cano….but for what I think he will get Im not sure it’s a great idea

  308. joeman December 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    They should have signed Harriston and not bother with Diaz, who if they didn’t sign was prob not playing in the majors this year

  309. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    yes they need a face. w/o him they will have a collection of aging stars and no focus. they will sign cano.

  310. DONNYBROOK December 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    Well, until the Yankees supposedly “bottom out”, you draft pick lovers, got nothin’ to hang your hat on.
    – 2012 YANKEE FACT CHECK -

    (1) BEST RECORD IN THE AL.

    (2) 4 WINS FROM THE WORLD SERIES

    (3) A-ROD, TEX, GARDNER, CC, PETTITTE and MO – ALL spent Significant time on the D\L

    (4) BEST RECORD IN THE AL – Can NOT be stressed enough.

  311. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    “Mussina and Pettitte and Jack Morris and Jim Kaat and Tommy John ALL more deserving.”

    I read a good post (from a couple of years ago) Debating Schilings merit’s. Some highlights:

    6th all time with k/9 (8.599)

    For those who mention only 216 wins- His winning %.597 is better than Gibson and Spahn and just behind Walter Johnson

    3 seasons of over 300k’s— perspective— there has only been about 30 since 1900.

    3 time runner up in Cy voting losing to prime Maddox, Johnson and Santana.

    3000K’s with the second fewest starts (martinez) and only 700 BB’s! I believe every other 3000k pitcher is in HOF

    His WHIP s 46th all time but better than 50 HOF pitchers.

    And that’s not even mentioning his Post-freaking Season numbers of which we are all too familiar with.

    I say he deserves it.

  312. 86w183 December 29th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Tar —-

    He has some great stats, but he has some lousy ones too

    EIGHT seasons with a losing record (Pettitte has never had one)

    3.46 ERA

    15 + wins in only 8 of 20 seasons

    I’ve always considered strikeouts to be over rated in terms of the Hall

    I’ve also always preferred a consistently very good career over one which features 6-to-8 outstanding seasons and 12 or so mediocre ones

  313. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    yeah, but he’s such a d*$#!

  314. DONNYBROOK December 29th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Cano consistently fails to dive for game winning ground balls, and he’s supposedly the next Face Of The Franchise? NO WAY. Cano also was given the opportunity to lead the Yankees when Jeet went down vs Detroit, and the guy turned into a pumpkin. He ain’t a leader, and at his age, he will Never become one. Trade ASAP.

  315. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    he was supposed to ‘lead’ them? you mean like be the first guy out of the dugout or something?

  316. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Mick (Chicago): It looks like the usual dearth of shortstop prospects, especially ones from this country. I read a while back that this is a cyclical thing, but it seems to be consistently bereft for the past 10-15 years. Is baseball concerned, or better yet doing something about it?

    Conor Glassey: You’re right. It’s a brutal year for shortstops in the draft.

  317. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    not diving for ground balls he’s not going to get are one of the reasons cano plays every damn day.

  318. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Jody (Chicago): Are there any pitchers with frontline potential in this HS class? If no, there are several pitchers with huge projection so among them, who are a few (i.e. Stewart, Gonsalves, Ball, Neuse or Crawford) that might be likely to make the jump in the spring? Perhaps someone not on this short list that you especially like?

    Conor Glassey: If Jordan Sheffield looks more like he did in Jupiter (95-97 with a HAMMER curveball) than he did earlier in the summer (90-92), he has frontline upside. It was only a one-inning look in Jupiter, so obviously it’s expected that he’ll settle in some, but he was electric. Scouts are very down on the HS RHP group as a whole. The lefthanders in this class are good, but all sort of have their hickeys. A couple guys who I think could really make a leap this spring would be Hunter Harvey, Devin Williams and Mark Armstrong. I also love Cal Quantrill’s potential, but it’s very unlikely he’ll sign out of high school. He’s been described to me as a “borderline genius” and is committed to Stanford.

  319. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Jody (Moulton): Pretend you can take 2013 and 2014 HS guys in the upcoming draft. Are there any guys from the 2014 class you would put in your HS top 20 right now?

    Conor Glassey: Right now, the 2014 class looks a lot better than 2013 for HS. Guys I would feel comfortable putting in this Top 20 from 2014 include CA C Alex Jackson, FL SS Nick Gordon, CA SS Jacob Gatewood & FL RHP Touki Toussaint

  320. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Jason (Muskegon, MI): As the draft projects now…what positions project as deep? not deep?

    Conor Glassey: For high school, it’s deep with catchers and lefthanders. Righthanders and shortstops are thin (and shortstops are especially thin in the college ranks).

  321. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    JR (Iowa): How many on the HS top 100 do you think might be drafted in the 1st round?

    Conor Glassey: Probably about 15

  322. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    @ProspectD2J (Toronto): There was a ton of buzz around Austin Wilson when he was drafted by the Cardinals out of high school. How has his stock progressed in his time at Stanford?

    Conor Glassey: There’s still plenty of buzz on him and he’s one of the best position players for this year’s college class. I expect him to be a first rounder this year.

  323. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm

    Ding Dong Daddy (My Desk): Last year was not considered a great draft either, and this one is worse. Do think this is a trend that baseball should be worried about, or just a couple of poor years?

    Conor Glassey: Just a couple of poor years. I don’t think baseball should be concerned. 2014 looks pretty legit.

  324. austinmac December 29th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    It’s amazing that Jeter could move into 6th place in hits this year. Haven’t we been a lucky generation getting to see virtually every hit?

    The Yankees won’t have a face of the organizational like that for a long time. He is in the Ruth, DiMaggio, Mantle pantheon of Yankees. I would say he is with those three in representing the face of the team and game.

  325. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    these drafts are being evaluated for what they look like now. in 5 years time, this year and next year’s class may well look completely different.

  326. DONNYBROOK December 29th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Any of you guys attempting to annoint Cano the, “next face of the franchise”, are embarassing yourself.

  327. austinmac December 29th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    A poor 2013 draft is another good reason to get something better for those you will not re-sign via a trade. Personally, I would further reduce the chances to win this year if a good return good be had.

    I think I will suggest to Blake a Granderson for Olt trade.

  328. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    “yeah, but he’s such a d*$#!”

    :D

    “He has some great stats, but he has some lousy ones too

    EIGHT seasons with a losing record (Pettitte has never had one)
    3.46 ERA
    15 + wins in only 8 of 20 seasons
    I’ve always considered strikeouts to be over rated in terms of the Hall
    I’ve also always preferred a consistently very good career over one which features 6-to-8 outstanding seasons and 12 or so mediocre ones”

    86

    About the best I can say is that he pitched in the Steroid era. I think if you compare his ERA to the Maddox’s, Smoltz and Clemens of that ERA his would be in the same ball park.

    Strike-outs are probably the most important stat a pitcher can have. And not only was Schilling great at it but he did it with maybe the best control ever. He only walked 700 in over 3000 innings. That is impressive.

  329. jacksquat December 29th, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 10:21 am

    The way I see it – and this is just me with my informal spreadsheet – Yanks have money for a big ticket No. 2 – and this is even after signing Cano – – – -I could see the Yanks opening their arms for 15-16 million a year for Kuroda if he wants to come back – the hickup for me is finding a no. 3 – – – -

    Pineda coming back to his 2011 form in the second half of 2013 would help a lot.

  330. austinmac December 29th, 2012 at 12:42 pm

    I don’t see Cano as the face of the organization in the future either. Great player but lacks the all out hustle we expect. It may not change the outcome of a single play, but he isn’t stepping into Jeter’s role.

    I hope they don’t use the need for a face to sign him to a stupid eight year contract.

  331. jacksquat December 29th, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    My prediction is the Yankees are going to resign Cano unless someone gives him a even crazier offer, like over 8/200. Only team I can see doing that is the Dodgers. They are already pretty loaded, but you never know.

  332. austinmac December 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    I never liked Schilling, but he is deserving statistically and from my observation. Stats alone can make a case, but he was one of the most feared pitchers of his era. That makes him a hall of famer to me.

  333. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Pineda coming back to his 2011 form in the second half of 2013 would help a lot.

    ******

    Exactly – to me that is one of the game changers for me that would push the franchise to a new level:

    1) Pineda comes back

    2) Heathcott takes off and is ready for OF duty in 2014

    3) Montgomery and relief pitchers in the minors take their next steps

    If Pineda comes back – that is a huge savings in the rotation

    If Heathcott steps forward – the Yanks could have the option next year at this time to shop Gardner, who will be going into his walk year

    If Montgomery and company take the next steps forward – the Yanks will save plenty on the bullpen expenses

    A cheap bullpen, no. 3 starter, and OFer in 2014 would go a long way – imo – - – -

    I would add that if Adams can be relied on for a 3b/2b option in 2014 – that goes a long way to replacing Youkillis and backing up ARod going forward – that one I am less hopeful in the Yanks going that route – has nothing to do with Adams – - – -

  334. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    you guys obviously arent marketers. they do need a ‘face’. it doesnt have to be a jeter or a dimaggio, but just some collection of somebody-from-somewhere-else’s doesnt sell tickets as much as someone who’s been here, has a yankees ring and came up through the system. cano will be that guy.

  335. 86w183 December 29th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Strike-outs are probably the most important stat a pitcher can have.

    ******************************************************************

    Really?

    I guess Farnsworth has to start working on his induction speech. His K/rate is better than Clemens or Maddux.

    David Price was 8th in the AL in K/9 innings last year.

    Strikeouts are nice, but I’m much more interested in other things like ERA, innings/start, quality starts.

    I admire Schilling’s career but I don’t give a Hall of Fame vote to a guy who had a few great years but for the most part was an ordinary player. For his career Schilling’s average season was 11-7, 3.46. That is nothing special.

    gotta run…. have a day all. Someone go get us a RH bat…. pleeeeze

  336. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    The A ball minors are going to have some interesting story lines with Bichette Jr., Culver, Mitchell, and DePaula – four guys who play premium positions/pitchers, who if they develop or have good years would offer considerable depth coming up behind Mason, Sanchez, Austin, Heathcott, Turley, Ramirez, and Marshall.

    Culver continued to show a good walk rate and he is only 20 – with Bichette – hopefully repeating Charleston (presumably) will help him – kind of like when AJax repeated and then was bumped to Tampa and took off – and Bichette still shows some ability to walk even though his strikeouts were right near the century mark – - – -

    If Mitchell and DePaula show their stuff at Charleston or Tampa – that would be a nice boost – - – -

  337. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    has a yankees ring and came up through the system. cano will be that guy.

    ****

    But isn’t Cano already that guy – I mean – he came up through the system and already has a WS ring – - – -

  338. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    ive always been a juan rivera guy. he was a good hitter when he was here and always seemed to hit well against us. not much of a fielder but that shouldn’t matter this year.

  339. austinmac December 29th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Ys guy,

    Cano is a great player, but he gets a fair amount of criticism for not running out balls or diving. Personally, I think it overblown, but I’m not sure he is a marketing dream. If he is MVP or leads them to a championship this year, I will gladly change my mind.

    If someone like Heathcott, an all out player by all reports, becomes a good player, that will sell tickets.

  340. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    ive always been a juan rivera guy. he was a good hitter when he was here and always seemed to hit well against us. not much of a fielder but that shouldn’t matter this year.

    *****

    I remember when it was Rivera, John Rodriguez, and Jackson Melian in the Tampa OF in the 90s – Melian was supposed to be the star of that group – just goes to show you about prospects – - – -

  341. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    no, jeter is, but he’s likely to be gone soon.

  342. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    “I guess Farnsworth has to start working on his induction speech. His K/rate is better than Clemens or Maddux.”

    OK 86 Strike-outs are “over-rated” and meaningless for HOF consideration–kind of like that great comparison you just gave. Have a nice day.

  343. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    there is a wide gap between ‘overrated’ and meaningless. too many absolutists here.

  344. blake December 29th, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    austinmac says:
    December 29, 2012 at 12:46 pm
    I never liked Schilling, but he is deserving statistically and from my observation. Stats alone can make a case, but he was one of the most feared pitchers of his era. That makes him a hall of famer to me.

    Yea this is how I see him too….I wanted no part of him in a big game

  345. austinmac December 29th, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    There are curtains truths, but one is the future is not known until it becomes the present. Heathcott, Williams and the like could become superstars or AA players. If anyone really knew, they would be very, very well paid.

  346. austinmac December 29th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    My subjective Hall of Fame test is for an opponent do I groan knowing we will be facing him on the mound in a couple days or I don’t want him anywhere near the plate in a key situation. For a Yankee pitcher you are relieved he will be pitching soon and you are counting the remaining outs to see if the batter might get up again.

  347. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    From a VFW newsletter:
    “The owner of a golf course in Georgia was confused about paying an invoice, so he decided to ask his secretary for some mathematical help. He called her into his office and said, ‘Yall graduated from UGA, and I need some help. If I was to give you $20,000, minus 14%, how much would you take off?’ The secretary thought for a moment, then replied, ‘Everything but my earrings.”

  348. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Now I know that nobody’s here!

  349. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    r u sure?

  350. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Ys,
    I was sure some policeman would show up. My kingdom for some news.

  351. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    you know theres nothing going on when ugeth urbina getting out of prison is the top baseball story…

  352. Bo knows December 29th, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    You know I keep hearing about Cano not diving for balls. Have you people looked at Cano? He is not your typical 2B. He is six foot, 200+ pounds. Diving for baseballs is an injury waiting to happen. For cryia, Gardner, who was a rubber ball out there, lost a year to injury on one diving play.

    Personally, I don’t want Cano diving out there in the infield, it’s contraindicated.

  353. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    personally i think at least half the time a fielder dives, they would have been better off running through the ball and scooping it.

    cano plays about 160 games/year. not diving definitely plays a part in that.

  354. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Hi Ys, hi Bo Snows! – Gilles Villeneuve would have loved tearing it up here in my present winter wonderland :)

  355. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    Alomar used to dive when needed,….and throw the mutha’ out!

  356. comet December 29th, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    Ugueth Urbina hopes to return to MLB from MLBTR

  357. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Happy New Year, comet.
    You know someone will give him a job, too.

  358. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    Hi Comet! I love the snow. U can always be a Blue Jay fan dontcha kno :)

  359. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Happy New Year Tom! My daughter got me that signed Bobby Orr thing along with the Villeneuve story :)

  360. comet December 29th, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    Happy New Year Tom! I hope he gets a job. He was excelent until he ran into trouble at home.

  361. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    comet,
    7 years in the can might dull the desire, or sharpen it. We shall see, particularly if he’s still breaking 90.

  362. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    Tom, ” 7 years in the can ” – let’s be a positivist :). ( We need it in these times )

  363. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    jmills,
    OK, after 7 years in the Venezuelan correctional system, he’s probably a new man!

  364. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Tom, if you had to serve in Vietnam, my heart felt respect for you.( And my mind too by the way )

  365. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    jmills,
    I signed up for it, no force required.

  366. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Well, thanks Tom! You made it back,…an amazing piece of work! :)

  367. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    jmills,
    I am honored to have served with men and women who dared danger, and faced it bravely. I was a volunteer, but the draftees I knew did the same. GB7 would say the same thing. You know what? I probably met him back in the day. I won’t be long before we’re gone, like the WWII and Korea guys. Old “Stormin’ Norman” left us the other day. I don’t know of a stronger bond than between brothers in arms.

  368. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    “7 years in the can might dull the desire, or sharpen it.”
    ——————————————————————–
    … and theres the little matter of machete murders but who cares if he can hit 92 on the gun….

  369. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    If Venezuela says he’s redeemed, the next thing he faces is US Immigration. Maybe they’ll demur.

  370. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    well, if he’s good with hugo chavez, the U.S. government will be fine with him, i’m sure…

  371. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Ys,
    Sour mood today? Que sera. Not my day for moral judgment on the man, nor of Venezuelan courts. They let him out. It’s done.

  372. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    no im in a fine mood, but this dude is no good. he’s free, that’s not my buisness but i’m just not cool with this:

    ” Urbina attacked five farm workers on his property whom he had accused of stealing a gun. The pitcher tried to injure them both with a machete and also attempted to pour gasoline on them. On March 28, 2007, Urbina was convicted of attempted murder and sentenced to fourteen years and seven months in prison.”

  373. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    Good thing they stole the gun.

  374. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Never count out the New York Yankees

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweets.....rk-yankees

  375. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    “Never count out the New York Yankees”

    Stone

    The 2 main points of that article are that: even though the Yankees are an ancient team, that should not be a concern because they won as an ancient team before.

    And
    “But the main reason I won’t write off the Yankees: the pitching staff. I still like the quality and depth of the starting rotation”

    I also like the quality, but what is this depth that he’s talking about? Pineda as a wildcard is the depth?

    “certainly more depth than the other AL East teams”

    I’m not sure of the depth of the rest of the AL East, but the Yankees depth is more of a concern for me than not.

    Written more like a press release than a well thought out article, IMO.

  376. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    press release? what press release is written in the first person and contains opinions?

  377. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    “press release? what press release is written in the first person and contains opinions?”

    Its a front office propaganda piece backed up by nada.

    But that’s right anything pro-Yankee is right up your alley.

  378. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    “press release? what press release is written in the first person and contains opinions?”

    Its a front office propaganda piece backed up by nada.

    But that’s right anything pro-Yankee is right up your alley.

    *****

    So anything pro-Yankees is a press release of front office propaganda – before I go back to waxing my poetics – - – -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xywqv1cDH8

  379. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    Tar,
    Why is it good to be anti-Yankee?

  380. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    “Why is it good to be anti-Yankee?”

    Those are your words Tom, not Mine.

    Propaganda:
    chiefly information, esp. of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view:

  381. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    if you disagree with the guy’s opinions, fine, but saying it reads like a press release (suggesting the yankees wrote it) is just dumb. its written like what it is, an opinion piece. he just doesn’t have the same opinion as you do.

  382. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    This is the first time I may have read where someone called ESPN biased towards the Yankees – - – -

    I guess the irony here might be lohud blog poster propaganda calling ESPN propaganda out – - – -

    So if two propagandas meet and collide – do they cancel themselves – now that would be waxing poetics – - – -

  383. luis December 29th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Good evening from NY!

    Two thoughts:

    1) I would love to have JUpton in the fold. But not at the price of sacrificing our A ballers and on top of it, Pay a rather expensive contract.

    2) Tar…. They do have six starters not counting Pineda and Warren, so they do have some depth… The problem is not to expect some DL time from the older starters, so our depth is probably going to be tested. Also, our offense has suffered some mayor downgrades and some key players will be a year older and probably their declining will continue. Our pitching will have to be otherworldly good for us to have a chance. Some teams improved a lot this OS and others aren’t going anywhere, so competition is going to be very tough. I’ll say that we have a shot of making it as a WC. Of course, you still have to play the games, but as of now, that’s the way I see it.

  384. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    I’m not counting out la Yanks, ever, as Rick Cerone is my witness. :)

  385. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/l.....#038;rel=0

  386. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    The two mains point of that article is it’s ok to be an “old” MLB Team and the Yankees have the most starting pitching depth in the AL East. Yeah okie dokie

    Those two points of view sounds like something Levine would post. Hence why I said press release. And yeah I mostly disagree with it and do think it was poorly thought out.

    Yankee fans are dumb and the Front Office is smart to Not spend money. Yeah whatever

    Stone

    Save “Oh the Irony of it all ” claims. ESPN can be biased as an organization yet still have Yankee fans working for it. I know that’s two giant concepts in one, but I’m sure you can grasp it.

  387. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Tar,
    I was a PR man for part of my life. You just hope for a column like that. You can’t write it for him. I know the definition of propaganda. I hear it every night on the news. That column was probably more correct than the 7 o’clock news will be.

  388. luis December 29th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    I wouldn’t mind the not spending if there was a clear rebuilding plan in the works. But they could have done both things at the same time, given the resources the team has.

  389. luis December 29th, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Anyway, have a good night all

  390. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    “Tar…. They do have six starters not counting Pineda and Warren, so they do have some depth…”

    Hey Luis

    I do like the pitching, they are quality group, but I can’t say there is lot’s of depth there. Especially like it’s a strength like that article is trying to portray it as. They have 3 starters who are mostly past their prime and lot’s of questions after that. That’s not what I call depth.

  391. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    Stone

    Save “Oh the Irony of it all ” claims. ESPN can be biased as an organization yet still have Yankee fans working for it. I know that’s two giant concepts in one, but I’m sure you can grasp it.

    ******

    Wait wait – you indicated it was a press release to support the front office – not just from a Yankee fans – so you mean now the article is just one Yankees fan’s opinion – like your opinion that it is a press release – your truly do have great concepts – - – -

    “I know that’s two giant concepts in one, but I’m sure you can grasp it.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuRsBgak998

  392. luis December 29th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Tar,

    I agree…. The team is old, and some DL time should be expected…That depth will be tested, let’s hope they are up to the task. But the main problem to me is the offense.

  393. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Steve Stone and Tar, Rush have the best pitching.

  394. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    “ESPN can be biased”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWJp_3pnzXM

  395. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    “ownership that — horror of horrors! — seems intent on keeping the team’s payroll below luxury-tax thresholds.”

    “The collapse is imminent. The dynasty — the one that has seen the Yankees win 13 division titles and make the playoffs 17 times in 18 years during the wild-card era — will come to a crashing termination. Derek Jeter, it’s been nice knowing you all these Octobers.”

    “Yankees fans and local columnists have complained the Yankees haven’t done anything this offseason. What they mean, of course, is the Yankees didn’t sign Zack Greinke or Josh Hamilton.”

    Tom

    I can find a few more but these three paragraphs stand out. Not one of them was necessary for him to make his point. He’s treating us as dumb, spoiled Yankee fans.

    I stand by my statement poorly thought out and written article.

  396. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    jmills December 29th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
    Steve Stone and Tar, Rush have the best pitching.

    *****

    The band?

  397. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    I can find a few more but these three paragraphs stand out. Not one of them was necessary for him to make his point. He’s treating us as dumb, spoiled Yankee fans.

    *****

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM

  398. jmills December 29th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Stone, yeah, the band,…..la RusH!

  399. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Tar,
    In your case, PR failed. You know me, I just like to watch games. That’s why they play them.

  400. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    jmills December 29th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
    Stone, yeah, the band,…..la RusH!

    *****

    You win the prize – working Rush into a post about Matsui – - – -

    Here is to you jmills – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy3lEZXicuA

  401. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Tom

    What will spoiled Yankee fans complain about in 150 years when the national pastime is team video games?

  402. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    “Wait wait – you indicated it was a press release to support the front office – not just from a Yankee fans – so you mean now the article is just one Yankees fan’s opinion – like your opinion that it is a press release – your truly do have great concepts – – – -”

    First if the links are for me i’m not clicking on them, so save the effort.

    Second you are putting too much effort into your waxing. Wouldn’t it be easier for you to just post that ESPN is a literally pure, unbiased and just organization that is beyond approach?

  403. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    It isn’t popular opinion to state anything good about the Yankees.
    And yes, they do have starting pitching depth as they did last season.

  404. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    i guess the mock panic he attributed to some yankees fans just hit a little too close to home…

  405. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Stone

    OK I take it back I went back and checked the links. :D

  406. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Spoiled, yes. Dumb, not always. Misguided, indeed…

  407. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    “i guess the mock panic he attributed to some yankees fans just hit a little too close to home…”

    No, but his mocking attitude sounds a lot like you.

  408. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    “Spoiled, yes. Dumb, not always. Misguided, indeed…”

    Speaking for yourself of course.

  409. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 7:08 pm

    Tar December 29th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
    Stone

    OK I take it back I went back and checked the links.

    ******

    You have to have some fun with this stuff – - – -

    Okay – First Blood is on – gotta run – AMC is having a Rambo marathon – - -

  410. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    How am I spoiled?

  411. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    you mock a writer’s column as being poorly written and suggest it was from a press release and you say i have a mocking attitude?

  412. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    “you mock a writer’s column as being poorly written and suggest it was from a press release and you say i have a mocking attitude?”

    Yeah that sums it up nicely, thank you.

    Mick

    I could ask you the same question.

  413. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:18 pm

    evidently there can only be one school of thought and if it doesn’t jive with the popular and negative then be prepared to take the wrath of the intelligentsia who foresee the future.

    even if the yanks are successful again this season, there will always be the future to harp on in the never changing world of the self righteous.

  414. PacoDooley December 29th, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Tar December 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
    “yeah, but he’s such a d*$#!”

    “He has some great stats, but he has some lousy ones too

    EIGHT seasons with a losing record (Pettitte has never had one)
    —————————————-

    Talk about using statistics to mislead. Four of those seasons were his first four, when he was a combined 4-11 and didn’t pitch a total of 150 innings combined. He also started a grand total of 5 games in that stretch.

  415. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    in all fairness tar, you were the one doing the mocking…

  416. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    How am I spoiled?
    ============
    Mick

    I could ask you the same question.
    =======================
    Why not try answering it?

  417. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    i hope i can make regular trips down to trenton this season, it’s going to be a very exciting year down at aa.

  418. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    “in all fairness tar, you were the one doing the mocking…”

    A post was linked for discussion. In my opinion it was propaganda and a hack job that mocked Yankee fans (like Y’s does). So if I jabbed back, than I guess they deserved it.

  419. Tar December 29th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    “Talk about using statistics to mislead. Four of those seasons were his first four, when he was a combined 4-11 and didn’t pitch a total of 150 innings combined. He also started a grand total of 5 games in that stretch.”

    Paco yep, he pitched in relief.

  420. blake December 29th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    December 29, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    i hope i can make regular trips down to trenton this season, it’s going to be a very exciting year down at aa.

    That’s a fact….give reports if you go

  421. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    In my opinion it was propaganda and a hack job that mocked Yankee fans
    ================================
    These are 2 different issues. One : why is it propaganda when others have voiced it, it is opinion.
    Two: he made one statement saying Yankee fans are basically spoiled because they have not gone after expensive FA’s.

  422. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Bryan Mitchell

    Strikeouts – good

    Hits per inning – good

    Walks – baaaaaad

    http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=571951

  423. blake December 29th, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Actually what happens in Trenton this year could have huge impacts on the Yanks future…..if several prospects get there and thrive next year then that really helps things out…..cause you’ll then have prospects close to the big leagues to either plan to use or trade for other things……the Yanks “could ” legitamitely have a top 5 system this time next year if things to their way

  424. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    IMO – Charleston can be just as big – with Bichette (3b) and Culver (SS) – can they either rebound or progress – and then the rotation could possibly have DePaula and Campos – two of the higher potential upside arms in the system – I am not sure where they would send Mitchell – he could very well go to Tampa – - – -

  425. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:40 pm

    When it comes to trading prospects, it seems self-defeating.
    Who are you trading them for? Usually not other prospects.
    If you are getting back players in their primes, they will come with a hefty price tag.

  426. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Mister mick,
    The Yanks will be OK this year. It ain’t worth the angst. Maybe we win, maybe we don’t. I say we do.

  427. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Mr Tom,
    I get your drift. Life is too short. Enjoy it…

  428. Jerkface December 29th, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    . One : why is it propaganda when others have voiced it, it is opinion.

    Well I’m sure some german people had the same thoughts as nazi propaganda. That some other people have voiced it does not make it any less propaganda.

  429. mick December 29th, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    how is it yankee propaganda ? can’t there be differing opinions? your comparison is a stretch.

  430. blake December 29th, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    “IMO – Charleston can be just as big – with Bichette (3b) and Culver (SS) – can they either rebound or progress – and then the rotation could possibly have DePaula and Campos”

    Yea true….Im especially anxious to see what Depaula and Campos do…..point about Trenton though is that AA is kinda a litmus test for prospects…..it often separates the legit guys from the pretenders so it’ll be interesting to see what happens there as the top guys start to filter in

  431. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Yea true….Im especially anxious to see what Depaula and Campos do…..point about Trenton though is that AA is kinda a litmus test for prospects…..it often separates the legit guys from the pretenders so it’ll be interesting to see what happens there as the top guys start to filter in

    ********

    Cannot argue with that – - – -

  432. Jerkface December 29th, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    how is it yankee propaganda ? can’t there be differing opinions? your comparison is a stretch.

    Propaganda generally comes from the media that is mass consumed. A single person has an opinion, the world wide leader in sports publishing something is creating propaganda.

  433. mick December 29th, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    Propaganda generally comes from the media that is mass consumed. A single person has an opinion, the world wide leader in sports publishing something is creating propaganda.
    ==============================
    So then it works both ways.
    Any article, pro or anti Yankee, is propaganda.
    Or is it just opinion?
    We are talking sports opinion, not politics.

    Propaganda:
    chiefly information, esp. of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view:

  434. Jerkface December 29th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Its still propaganda, and there are definitions that do not explicitly reference politics, it can be about anything. If you want a less dire comparison, look at the NESN article from a few offseasons ago declaring the Red Sox better than the 1928 Yankees, based on dubious logic.

  435. Jerkface December 29th, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Any article is not propaganda. If CC Sabathia is leading the league in every pitching category, an article suggesting he win the Cy Young is not propaganda. If the Yankees are leading the league in every offensive category, an article saying they are the best offense is not propaganda.

  436. tomingeorgia December 29th, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    JF,
    Did you believe it then? Then you’re a dupe.

  437. Jerkface December 29th, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    ????

    Did I believe what?

  438. Jerkface December 29th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    If you’re asking me if I believed that NESN article, then of course not. The fact that I am identifying it as propaganda gives you the answer. If you are identifying something as propaganda, you are not the target of the propaganda. So seems the only dupe here is you.

  439. Ys Guy December 29th, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    Ginger-honey breast of duck, with a wonderful winter veg medley (frizzled brussel sprouts, carrots and cauliflower) and some rosemary roasted red potatoes!

    that is happening!

  440. blake December 29th, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Just saw the Hobbit a few hours ago….i did like it but the whole thing just seemed a bit forced…..like it was being stretched longer than it should have been.

    It was good….just not as good as LOTR so far.

  441. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    but the whole thing just seemed a bit forced

    ******

    You mean turning the Hobbit into an almsot 9 hour trilogy made it feel forced – - – -

  442. blake December 29th, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    “You mean turning the Hobbit into an almsot 9 hour trilogy made it feel forced – – – -”

    Lol yes….the story just isn’t as big as the LOTR…..tough to see how they make a 9 hour movie out of it…..I did like it though

  443. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Did you see it in IMAX?

  444. blake December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Nah…. Just 3D

  445. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    I heard in IMAX some of the makeup becomes a little interesting – - – -

  446. The Return of Stoneburner December 29th, 2012 at 9:03 pm

    YankeesWFAN Eh. 6 weeks to pitchers and catchers. “@CLoprestiWFAN: Tomorrow’s labor talks better go well. I miss #NYR hockey sooooooo much!”
    about 1 hour ago · reply · retweet · favorite

  447. DONNYBROOK December 29th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    Likewise, saw The Hobbit today and would rate it Better than “Fellowship”, which started The Rings Trilogy. I thought “Fellowship” was slower, and darker visually. The Hobbit has underground scenes that are Bright and beautiful. Both flicks had to introduce new characters to the audience, which is tediously slow. My issue is that the returning characters in The Hobbit, are supposed to be younger than they were in “Rings”, but in reality look older. Gandolf has aged appreciably, as has Elrond to a lesser degree. Tough to get around this, but it is distracting to someone with a critical eye. I do like “Dr Watson” doing young Bilbo. Seems to be more CGI in “The Hobbit” vs “Fellowship”, but it is done extremely well. The theatre I was in was packed, and the audience was responsive vocally, which is testament to their enjoying the flick. They did groan somewhat at the abrupt ending.

  448. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    “My issue is that the returning characters in The Hobbit, are supposed to be younger than they were in “Rings”, but in reality look older. ”

    That’s probably because they are 10 years older

  449. mick December 29th, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    There’s plenty of propaganda flying around in here if you ask me.
    People with agendas spouting their opinion as fact.
    If their opinions aren’t agreed with, they call you for being beneath them.
    Funny how , what they perceive to be an opposing opinion, gets under their skin.
    They don’t like it when the shoe’s on the other foot.

  450. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    The ending is abrupt because its not really the end of a movie so much as a stopping point…..just like LOTR these Hobbit movies were shot all at once as one movie and will be released one per year.

    The issue is that the Hobbit was one book they are making into 9 hours of film and three sepetate movies…..the LOTR was a much bigger work as in was 3 volumes and really 6 books.

  451. DONNYBROOK December 29th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Yes Blake, but they are NOT 10 yrs older in the story. Tough to get around weight gains\Elrond, but makeup coulda been employed around Gandolf’s eyes. If the area around those eyes were a dam, immediate evacuation woulda been called for.

  452. blake December 29th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    “Yes Blake, but they are NOT 10 yrs older in the story”

    No…they are supposedly 60 years younger though Elrond doesn’t really age…….I would rather the actors be the same and look a bit older than they are supposed to than for them to have re-cast Gandalph and the rest….I suspect most feel the same

  453. DONNYBROOK December 29th, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Makeup does wonders.

  454. Jerkface December 29th, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    The Yankees could use some makeup then.

  455. Nick in SF December 30th, 2012 at 12:07 am

    I rooted against Duke in a the Belk Bowl but Tar is still cranky. :sad:

  456. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 3:07 am

    I think Elston Howard played for the triple A Maple leafs

  457. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 3:12 am

    Sparkey Anderson worked up here !

  458. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 am

    Good morning Lohud people.

    Since Yankee news, and baseball news in general, is so slow these days, I thought I would mention a great read for Yankee fans who enjoy baseball history and Yankee biographies.

    Lefty Gomez was one of the most colorful and most successful pitchers in the annals of MLB. His lifetime W/L record was 189 – 102, with a 3.34 ERA, ERA+ 125, WHIP 1.352. He was a 7 X All Star, and had a 6 – 0 record in 5 WS, with an ERA of 2.86.

    His daughter and author Lawrence Goldstone have written a terrific biography that includes a great deal of detail about the 1930s when Gomez pitched, as well as his life before and after the 30’s (and that of his, at the time, famous actress wife, June O’Dea.) The book is called Lefty: An American Odyssey and it’s well worth reading to help pass the winter OS.

    Sorry, a little too late as a Xmas gift!

  459. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 6:34 am

    Some of the better known quips from Vernon “lefty” Gomez:

    “A lot of things run through your head when you’re going in to relieve in a tight spot. One of them was, “Should I spike myself?”

    “He (Jimmie Foxx) has muscles in his hair.”

    “Hell, Lou (Gehrig) it took fifteen years to get you out of a game. Sometimes I’m out in fifteen minutes.”

    “I’d rather be lucky than good.”

    “I’m throwing as hard as I ever did, but the ball is just not getting there as fast.”

    “I talked to the ball a lot of times in my career. I yelled, “Go foul. Go foul.”

    “I’ve got a new invention. It’s a revolving bowl for tired goldfish.”

    “I want to thank all my teammates who scored so many runs; Joe DiMaggio, who ran down so many of my mistakes, and Johnny Murphy, without whose relief pitching I wouldn’t be here.”

    “I was the worst hitter ever. I never even broke a bat until last year when I was backing out of the garage.”

    “No one hit home runs the way Babe (Ruth) did. They were something special. They were like homing pigeons. The ball would leave the bat, pause briefly, suddenly gain its bearings, then take off for the stands.”

    “One rule I had was make your best pitch and back up third base. That relay might get away and you’ve got another shot at him.”

    “The secret of my success was clean living and a fast outfield.”

    “When Neil Armstong first set foot on the moon, he and all the space scientists were puzzled by an unidentifiable white object. I knew immediately what it was. That was a home run ball hit off me in 1933 by Jimmie Foxx.”

    “Gomez’s zaniness set him apart from the decorous Yankees of the 1930s. He once held up a World Series game, exasperating manager Joe McCarthy (as he did with some frequency), to watch an airplane pass by.” – Writer Mark Gomez

  460. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 am

    Oh, yes, I forgot to add this brief summary:

    “It is hard to judge whether Vernon Gomez is better known as the fire-throwing left-hander of the successful Yankees teams of the 1930s, or as the man that made clowning around the diamond famous. ‘El Goofo’ as he was called in his native tongue, pitched his way into five World Series. He set a record in World Series competition by recording six consecutive victories without a loss. Over his 14-year career, he won 20 games four times, led the league in wins twice, and won the American League strikeout title three times. In 1972, Lefty joined many of his teammates from the Yankees in baseball’s Hall of Fame.”

  461. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 7:02 am

    Morning 61-

    Happy, healthy, and peaceful New Year.

    Gomez was a very funny Man. Kind of reminds me of Yogi.

    :)

  462. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Morning MTU. The very same to you! It’s always good to see you on here. I hope that you continue to enjoy your little piece of paradise.

    Apologies, but is it Idaho in which you live? If so, anywhere near Hemingway’s last home? I’ve been to his Key West home and would love to go to the one he had in Cuba (not yet possible, unfortunately), and of course have traced his steps in Paris during the 11 years or so we lived in the city (rather than commuted in.) It’s ALL “A Movable Feast!”

    Look forward to reading you often in 2013!

  463. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Thanks for the recommendation 61.

  464. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    Mac, you’re very welcome. What a really cool guy that Gomez was – and a great, great Yankee!

    You know, we talk often about how the Yankees supposedly treat their retiring players badly. Lefty was let go by their GM without a WORD to him. He found out in the papers. A cold press release and he was gone.

  465. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 7:26 am

    61-

    You’re close. I live in Utah.

    Please explain to your wife that I am really not as bad as I seem.

    :)

  466. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Morning Mac-

    Are we there yet ?

    :)

  467. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 7:30 am

    Whoever said you were bad!!?? Sorry about getting the state wrong. You live in a beautiful part of the world.

    My wife used to work for a big Manhattan bank in the travel department. She had access to box seats at YS I in the late 60′s, early 70′s. The first game I ever took her to, all she was interested in was who was Peterson and who was Kekich!

  468. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    P.S. How are the mups? Is it Yorkies that you have? We have a now 12 year old Cairn Terrier – a joie de vivre!

    I’m off soon to dinner. Have a great day. Hey, sorry I’m not posting often but I try to read everyday.

  469. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 7:33 am

    We”re not there yet, but one way or the other spring training is only weeks away. I”m ready.

    There is a Newsday article on the Yankees, aging, scouting and the like. Pretty good read.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Lefty Gomez was the guy who caused folks to say left handed pitchers are a wacky group. What a funny guy. I will be checking Amazon for the book today.

  470. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Wife swapping was the most interesting story on those teams. I think I read one of the “new couples” are still together.

  471. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 7:36 am

    61-

    No problem. I sometimes forget where I am too !

    :)

    But I agree. This is God’s country, and it’s a priviledge to be able to experience it, and to try to share a little of it’s magnificence with others.

    I was watching a very interesting show last night on the History channel.

    It was about a place in France called “the cave of forgotten dreams”.

    Fascinating. The oldest known “cave paintings”. Approx. 50K yrs. old.

    Beautifully preserved. The artwork was astounding.

    If you haven’t heard about it you should check it out.

    ;)

  472. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Mac-

    This is true. ST is on the horizon.

    I noticed some interesting back and forth on here last night.

    People are getting a little testy.

    Can’t say I blame them.

    Maybe the Yankees will smooth the waters with a big trade.

    If not it’s “obla di obla da”.

    :)

  473. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 8:03 am

    MTU,

    Now, you’ve got that song going on in my head. Thanks. :)

  474. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Mac-

    Don’t thank me. I just work here.

    The Beatles were definitely the Philosopher-Kings of the Rock and Roll World.

    That song sure puts things in perspective.

    :)

  475. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Shakespeare’s with an electric guitar in hand.

    ;)

  476. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 8:17 am

    MTU,

    I must watch that show. I have an interest in prehistoric man, Neanderthals and the like.

  477. blake December 30th, 2012 at 8:18 am

    “He (Jimmie Foxx) has muscles in his hair.”

    He probably took steroids

  478. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:22 am

    Mac-

    “I have an interest in prehistoric man, Neanderthals and the like.”

    Then just stick around here. All of man’s ancestors show up from time to time.

    From Neanderthal thru Homo sapiens.

    :)

    Speaking seriously, I found it fascinating on many levels. It’s worth checking out if you like that sort of thing.

    Apparently Man has been dreaming for a long time.

  479. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Blake-

    Obviously the guy has that extra male chromosome and that accounts for his strength.

    His name proves it.

    Forget the steroids.

    :)

  480. MG December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 am

    yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 am
    Good morning Lohud people.

    Since Yankee news, and baseball news in general, is so slow these days, I thought I would mention a great read for Yankee fans who enjoy baseball history and Yankee biographies.

    Lefty Gomez was one of the most colorful and most successful pitchers in the annals of MLB. His lifetime W/L record was 189 – 102, with a 3.34 ERA, ERA+ 125, WHIP 1.352. He was a 7 X All Star, and had a 6 – 0 record in 5 WS, with an ERA of 2.86.

    His daughter and author Lawrence Goldstone …
    —————————————————–
    the author, Larry Goldstone, and I were high school classmates at Stuyvesant back in the ’60s.

    I guess this becomes a book of required reading for me…

  481. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Blake-

    His name shoulda’ been Jimmie Foxxx.

    ;)

  482. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:28 am

    MG-

    You musta been one of those “smart” kids.

    ;)

  483. blake December 30th, 2012 at 8:29 am

    “His name shoulda’ been Jimmie Foxxx.

    He’s wasn’t a porn star MTU :)

  484. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:30 am

    Blake-

    How the heck do you know what he did in his spare time ?

    ;)

  485. blake December 30th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    Fair point

  486. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    For instance.

    Some people think you are “just” a Dentist.

    ;)

  487. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    I am now a proud owner of the Kindle version of the Lefty Gomez book.

  488. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:32 am

    But WE know better.

    :)

  489. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Mac-

    When you are done using those electrons I’d appreciate it you would send them my way.

    :)

  490. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:34 am

    edit: if you would

  491. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:38 am

    I was just wondering.

    Can a Government tax the Universe ?

    Because I’d bet they’d try.

    :)

  492. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    MTU,

    My electrons are your electrons. We must share in the event of electron shortages.

  493. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Mac-

    Thanks. I appreciate your generosity.

    These are hard times.

    Thanks for putting a positive spin on things that can be quite negative sometimes.

    ;)

  494. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 8:44 am

    I’m neutral about it all. The charges are too high.

  495. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    MTU – Here it is. It is Chauvet:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1664894/

  496. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Alright. Enough of this nonsense.

    Off with MTU’s head.

    Time to go for one last last walk with the Mops.

    :Marie Antoinette’ed:

    :)

  497. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:48 am

    61-

    C’est La. Vraiment.

    Marvellieux.

    :)

  498. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 8:49 am

    MTU – Whoops, I got blocked for including too many site refernces. I thought it might be Lascaux, but it is in fact Chauvet.

    ——————————————————————–

    Mac- I believe the Petersons are still together

    —————————————————————-

    the author, Larry Goldstone, and I were high school classmates at Stuyvesant back in the ’60s.

    I guess this becomes a book of required reading for me…

    MG – that’s interesting. You’ll have to get back in touch!

  499. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Mac-

    We are all just collections of atoms so no problem.

    Got you covered.

    ;)

  500. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:56 am

    61-

    I was reading this AM where Depardieu kicked Hollande in the nuts.

    Pretty funny.

    :)

  501. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 8:59 am

    And in keeping with this morning’s French theme :

    “I hike and photograph therefore I am.”

    :)

  502. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    blake December 30th, 2012 at 8:29 am
    “His name shoulda’ been Jimmie Foxxx.

    He’s wasn’t a porn star MTU

    ———————————————————-

    Blake, maybe not Foxx, but Gomez should have been. One baseball observer took a single look at Lefty naked at his locker and said something to the effect of “no one with a schlong that big can ever be a successful pitcher.”

    ———————————————————-

    Mac – Congrats. I think you’ll enjoy it.

    ———————————————————-

    MTU – Je vois que tu parle francais tres bien! Si tu veut on peut parlé ensemble quelque fois et discuter la monde du base-ball!

    Et maintenant je dois partir pour l’apres-midi – a bien- tôt!

    See you guys later maybe.

  503. Tar December 30th, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Morning everybody

    Blake

    Not a bad game yesterday. Much better defensively and that was without Bullock. Going into the regular season I sure hope it’s a trend that they keep getting better at.

  504. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Au Revoir 61.

    Mon plaisir Monsieur.

  505. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Tar,

    They have talent….they’ll prove as the year goes and yes that was a pretty big win

  506. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    MTU – one more brief point – I’m not at all sure that’s what Descartes had in mind. There wasn’t even Duguerreotype back in his day. Maybe camera obscura?

  507. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    “Daguerreotype” – fixed!

  508. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    Blake, maybe not Foxx, but Gomez should have been. One baseball observer took a single look at Lefty naked at his locker and said something to the effect of “no one with a schlong that big can ever be a successful pitcher.”

    Lol

  509. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    How about a new post sometime guys?

  510. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 9:08 am

    61-

    Au contraire.

    What the eye sees the Brain can always record.

    But I get your point. Poetic license taken too far.

    You ought to know me by now.

    ;)

  511. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Blake-

    It’s the Sunday before New Year’s.

    Make up you’re own.

    ;)

  512. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    MTU,

    I would be don’t have the authority ;)

  513. yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    Just pulling your photographer’s leg, MTU. Have great day. I really do have to get some work done this afternoon! Got to go for now.

    Cheers!

  514. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 9:13 am

    Blake-

    Of course you do “Skyfall”.

    That’s your code name isn’t it ?

    You are licensed to kill.

    No one will dare stop you.

    ;)

  515. Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, morning all.

    @Joelsherman1

    Column http://bit.ly/VNE5Gq Some of my thoughts on voting for the Hall of Fame.

    MG’s a Stuyvesant boy?? Smart fella ;)

  516. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Good morning Shame.

    I see the beautiful, alluring Catwoman has now arrived on the scene.

    :)

  517. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    MtU,

    You seen Skyfall?

  518. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    I have not Bond. I’m mean Blake.

    :(

  519. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    My HOF ballot if I could vote

    Bonds
    Clemens
    Piazza
    Biggio
    Bagwell
    Raines
    Schilling
    Trammel

  520. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:18 am

    MTU,

    You need to..it’s really good…one of the best ever IMO

  521. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Mine.

    Blake
    YT
    Shame

    All of LoHud in fact.

    Automatic induction. Like on a musclecar.

    ;)

  522. MG December 30th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    yanks61 December 30th, 2012 at 8:49 am
    MTU – Whoops, I got blocked for including too many site refernces. I thought it might be Lascaux, but it is in fact Chauvet.

    ——————————————————————–

    Mac- I believe the Petersons are still together

    —————————————————————-

    the author, Larry Goldstone, and I were high school classmates at Stuyvesant back in the ’60s.

    I guess this becomes a book of required reading for me…

    MG – that’s interesting. You’ll have to get back in touch!
    ———————————-
    He sat behind me in home room for all 3 years in high school but I haven’t seen him since-our class has a couple of social networking groups where many of us have stayed in touch but he hasn’t signed up.

    My high school class was pretty eclectic, ranging from a revolutionary killed in the Weather Underground bombing in the village in the late ’60s to a couple of sportscasters to a political analyst to many doctors, attorneys, and lots of people just like me :)

  523. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Blake-

    I’m sure I’ll catch it eventually.

    Probably when it comes out for the bleacher crowd.

  524. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 9:23 am

    MG-

    What do you mean, “just like you”.

    No one else is just like you. You are uniquely you.

    Unless you have a twin bro, or a clone.

    Even then their personalities would be different.

    ;)

  525. MG December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 9:14 am
    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, morning all.

    MG’s a Stuyvesant boy?? Smart fella
    ——————-
    Shame, it’s really funny but anytime I meet someone from New York and we discuss backgrounds that gets the same reaction-more than anything else I’ve done in my life.

    I guess those 3 years of commuting an hour and 15 minutes each way when I could have walked to my local high school had some kind of long term benefit lol

  526. MTU December 30th, 2012 at 9:28 am

    I have managed to keep the dogs at bay for this long.

    But now I must really go if I wish to keep my ankles.

    Later.

    Remember. It’s much more fun to laugh than cry.

    :)

  527. MG December 30th, 2012 at 9:30 am

    I don’t spend much time thinking about baseball in the off season so don’t read the blog much but Happy New Year everyone…

    I think the Yankees will be better in 2013 than the prevailing opinion here-Grandy and Cano are in their walk years so will probably produce, Teix will be healthy, and the pitching will be strong.

    Beyond the regular season, who knows anything-anyone who knew a year ago that Marco Scutaro would hit over .350 down the stretch and be a key contributor to a World Series win should go buy some Powerball tickets ASAP

  528. Tar December 30th, 2012 at 9:52 am

    “I think the Yankees will be better in 2013 than the prevailing opinion here-Grandy and Cano are in their walk years so will probably produce, Teix will be healthy, and the pitching will be strong.”

    Hey MG

    This all may be true. Speaking for myself I have never felt that next years team has no chance of post-season play. I’m too much of a believer in certain players on the roster to bet against them.

    No my angst is more directed at the the front office and the lack of planning, or lack of execution that has led this team to be in a somewhat precarious position.

    If getting to 189 was so important there should have been a map to get there. Nothing they have shown me has led me to have any confidence in their future moves.

    Added to my perception of mis-treatment or maybe lack of respect benefiting certain Yankee greats and yeah I am down on the Yankee front-office no doubt about it. Some people have a problem when you bring up anything negative. As for me, I am able to separate rooting for the team and disliking the front-office. I will always root for the team, hopefully I can get back to liking the FO as well.

    Happy New Year!

  529. Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 10:00 am

    Looks like Mason is going to be partying with Little Dante this NYE:

    @MjordanW9

    Me and my boy @dbjr19 will be together for New Years… What’s everyone doing?!

  530. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    happy new year mg!

  531. Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Catwoman? …I like it :D

    My ultimate girl-crush was always Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman. Even as a heterosexual female, the word ‘dayum’ has never seemed more appropriate.

    MG – I’d say so!! That schools a NYC institution.

  532. Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Ys – Looking forward to game time?? I hope GLove stops in before the ‘Boys eat dirt tonight. I’d like to wager our chances of losing on a fumbled return.

  533. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    its the eagles, id be pumped if they were both 1-14!

  534. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 10:19 am

    julie newmar as catwoman on the tv show :)

  535. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Earths Kitt?

  536. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Eartha

  537. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2012 at 10:26 am

    austin,
    I’m with you on Eartha!

  538. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    ertha kitt was also catwoman on the show and so was the woman who was on barnaby jones…julie newmar was in the catsuit in ‘that darned catwoman’ when batman and robin become her willing slaves…

    pretty racy stuff for primetime 1967!

  539. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 10:31 am

    lee meriweather was in the batman movie based on the tv show b/c julie newmar was unavailable. ertha kitt took over on the show 2 years later

  540. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Eartha Kitt is great and I even like her xmas song – Dinah Washington takes the #1 spot though for me, Red Sails in the Sunset etc..

  541. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 11:05 am

    by the time eartha was on, batman had already ‘jumped the shark’ and she was kind of the nemesis of batwoman.

  542. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Did you see the contract Mike Gonzales got from Milwaukee? If Cashman isn’t actively shopping Boone Logan he’s crazy. He has other lhrp options and a team would probably offer a useful player or prospect for Logan given his deal.

  543. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    I had a hard time trying to enjoy Batman – I liked Room 222 with that Karen Valentine person. :)

  544. Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    You guys have poor taste in Catwomen.

  545. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    Its been the strangest Yankee ” off ” season this outsider can recall ( I’m too young to remember Horace Clark ) – at least they could sign Butch Wynegar or something.

  546. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    When asked if he thought there was any match on a Justin Upton deal with the Red Sox, Diamondbacks general manager Kevin Towers responded, “Probably not.” Upton would be a fit for the Red Sox, but it probably would mean giving up prospects Xander Bogaerts and Jackie Bradley Jr., as ESPN’s Jim Bowden recently suggested. Upton is an underachieving player who has frustrated his bosses in Arizona and the Red Sox want something better for those prospects.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#DPeD6Z0kj4O7GVlP.99

  547. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    If first you do not succeed – try, try, try again – - – -

    The Marlins have put out word that Giancarlo Stanton is going nowhere, but that hasn’t stopped some teams from trying to put together a package to obtain him. A big league source says that’s expected to continue. Teams have also called on righty Ricky Nolasco and the right package for him could net a team a decent starter.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#DPeD6Z0kj4O7GVlP.99

  548. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    Me and my boy @dbjr19 will be together for New Years… What’s everyone doing?!

    *****

    Hoping your boy dbjr19 hits better in 2013 – - – -

  549. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Thanks for the music link, Stone. I ended up watching an entire Van Halen concert with Sammy – damn, that Eddie is great, too bad he fell apart, I hope he comes around.

  550. smartchoices December 30th, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Tar said: “my angst is more directed at the the front office and the lack of planning, or lack of execution that has led this team to be in a somewhat precarious position.”

    I was thinking the same thing. They knew about the Comp Bal tax since at least 2002 and the cyclical nature of the rates. They should have been prepared for this by not entering into lengthy exorbitant contracts, by building up the farm system where their hands aren’t tied (yet), etc.

    To think you can’t field a competitive team for under $189 is absurd, but to assume that describes the situation the Yankees are in also seems silly. The existing contracts, the aging staff, the lack of a ready and able farm does change things and does put them in a precarious situation as you say.

    I’m not willing to put down the FO too much yet. If they use the money to pay off potential contract disasters or pour it into improving their scouting and development (the farm), I think we would all support that. Using their resources to gain a competitive edge is the Yankee way.

    As far as making negative comments, there is obviously a difference between constructive criticism and trolling. Worse for me are comments that even wish the Yankees have a few non-postseason years ahead them. How does a true fan root for their team to fail or justify it for any reason? The WS should always be the goal.

  551. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    Marlins Will Listen On Giancarlo Stanton
    By Zach Links [December 30 at 10:29am CST]

    In the wake of the Marlins’ blockbuster deal with the Blue Jays, the Marlins publicly stated that they wouldn’t trade Giancarlo Stanton. Assistant General Manager Dan Jennings says that the club isn’t shopping the right fielder, but they will listen to all offers for him, according to Jim Bowden of SiriusXM (on Twitter).

    Teams have been inquiring on Stanton ever since the Marlins shipped Jose Reyes, Mark Buehrle, and Josh Johnson to Toronto in November. Stanton was vocal about his displeasure with the Marlins’ front office after the trade and agent Joel Wolfe declined comment earlier this month when asked if his client had requested a trade.

    Jennings also told Bowden (Twitter link) that Miami isn’t going to surprise anyone and pursue any of the top free agents left on the open market. As the MLBTR Transaction Tracker shows, the Marlins have only signed two free agents so far this winter: Placido Polanco and Juan Pierre.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#GYI1vtVCX6gvV2KD.99

  552. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    jmills December 30th, 2012 at 11:36 am
    Thanks for the music link, Stone. I ended up watching an entire Van Halen concert with Sammy – damn, that Eddie is great, too bad he fell apart, I hope he comes around.

    ********

    Glad to spread some musical cheer – - – -

    Retro thoughts on Juan Guzman?

  553. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 11:50 am

    Juan Guzman was an amazing trade product from the Dodgers for Mike Sharperson R.I.P. Who was a pretty good player himself and went to an All Star game. Juan burst onto the scenene in ’91 and won the Jay’s only game vs the Twins in the playoffs. He was great going forwards as well, a great pitcher to watch, absolutely dominant a lot of the time.

  554. randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 11:56 am

    “I’m not willing to put down the FO too much yet. If they use the money to pay off potential contract disasters or pour it into improving their scouting and development (the farm), I think we would all support that. Using their resources to gain a competitive edge is the Yankee way.”

    well gee, you’d be a good one to explain how the yankees with all their cash at hand for the best possible coaches were not able to fix aj burnett. yet the lowly pirates with no resources were able to turn aj into a 16 game winner while the yankees paid most of burnett’s salary.

    how do you figure this is a competent front office if they can’t even make the decision to use their competitive advantage in cash to hire a depth of really good pitching coaches.

    the yankees could not fix aj burnett. they spent a fortune on him but not on coaching him which by the way does not count against any cap.

    te yankee front office is really dumb to not use their wealth to hire coaching better than any other team. there’s no other explanation. cheap hal and know it all cashman are a bad combination.

  555. DONNYBROOK December 30th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Of all the TV Female leads, (hero or villian), my favorite was Dana Scully\Gillian Anderson of the X-Files. Intelligent, thoughtful, even keeled, and had a quirky sence of humor when she allowed her hair to come down. Even though Chris Carter carbon copied this character from, “The Silence Of The Lambs”\ Clarice Starling, Anderson gets my vote.

  556. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    burnett wilts in the heat. he did in ny and he did in pittsburgh once the games got important. he absolutely sucked in august while the pirates were falling out of the pennant.

    its aj its not the coaches

  557. Tar December 30th, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    “Using their resources to gain a competitive edge is the Yankee way.”

    It used to be, not so sure anymore. I think looking at some of the international FA signings over the last couple of years is a sure fire example of them not using their resources to gain the edge.

    As I said before too many players I believe in on the roster to count them out. But at this point it appears that Cashman’s hands are tied. So no it’s not too late, but the dawn is quickly approaching.

  558. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    I’m still voting for Karen Valentine and whatever Naiomi Watts is in :) – smart and strong.

  559. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    JIM BOWDEN
    ?@JimBowdenESPNxm
    Dan Jennings Marlins AGM told us they will listen to all offers on Giancarlo Stanton but they’re not shopping him and don’t want to move him

  560. Tar December 30th, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    For all those Upton fans can someone explain why his fielding ( UZR ) dropped so much last year?

    Checking On Fangraphs his UZR went from 7.7 to -2.1. Not saying I agree with UZR but what explanation is there for that kind of drop? I would think that right or wrong there would at least be consistency.

  561. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 12:10 pm

    I’m glad the Jays kept Gose in the event Colby’s tyres don’t stick to nada.

  562. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    Julie Newmar did strike my teen fancy as Catwoman. Michelle Pfeiffer was not too bad either. I do like the outfits. Purrrr.

  563. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Michelle Pfeiffer is interesting but Donna Mills in Knots takes the cake!

  564. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    …I’m not just saying Donna Mills because of the name thing :)

  565. austinmac December 30th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Jmills,

    You can mention me to your cousin Donna.

  566. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Austin, no problem:

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/t.....#038;rel=0

  567. randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    “its aj its not the coaches”

    the coaches certainly didn’t help did they?

    it’s interesting how the orioles create a new pitching title for rick peterson with the orioles that is possible higher up than the actual pitching coach job and the orioles pitching overachieves.

    the yankees had the same opportiunity to innovate and create a new pitching position. they however solved their pitching the way they usually do and that’s through free agency. sabathia, kuroda, and soriano basically saved them. all bought and paid for.

    anyone who thinks the yankees are going to develop a team is delusional. there is virtually no history
    of them putting out young players at a faster rate than good players get old.

    it’s just missing the obvious if someone thinks the yankees are set up to do anything but buy players.

    they are basically screwed if hal take the one competitive advantage the yankees have away.

    that competitive advantage is all of the money all of us cumulatively spend on the yankees. if hal doesn’t use this cash that is given to him by fans who outspend every other baseball fan cumulatively, he has no chance to compete.

    hal is good at one thing and that is buying stuff. he’s not a creator . he’s a spender.

  568. mick December 30th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    if aj burnett saw the same sports psychologist as john smoltz,i’m sure the Yanks would have paid for his sessions from their vast resources.

    then again, i’m sure they had better coaching in 96 and 98-00 and 09….

  569. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Mick, let’s forget about AJ – the guy only seamed to pitch well in a contract year. Let’s talk about the man,….Dave Stieb.

  570. Tar December 30th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Giants will take care of business today.

    Go Redskins, Lions and Packers!!!

  571. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/K.....#038;rel=0

    Dave Stieb

  572. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    so you’re saying the orioles are the just like that awesome pitcher-developing machine, the twins?

  573. randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    mick-

    the yankees probably spend twice as much on salaries as the average team. when they are buying good to great players like matsui, mussina,giambi, sabathia, damon, kuroda, soriano, teixeira, arod who was bought), etc , they are as good as it gets.

    the sudden decision to no longer buy high priced players has not resulted in any counter balancing spending in development.

    in reality the yankees would probably have to quadruple what they pay in coaching to get the results they used to get by buying other team’s star players.

    the yankees are pretty much screwed until hal sees some bad results and then he will try to solve the problem by over spending in the short run.

    it’s a really poor plan, but it’ll take time for the yankees to really suck with no buying of star players.
    people will be delusional and believe the spin hal puts out.

    in the meantime, other teams are back in the game with the yankees shutting it down.

  574. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    The Yankees did take a positive developmental stat bybreplacing Nardi with Gil Pstterson.

  575. randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    “so you’re saying the orioles are the just like that awesome pitcher-developing machine, the twins?”

    who was better 2004-2010?

    twins or yankees?

  576. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Stupid typos

  577. randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    “The Yankees did take a positive developmental stat bybreplacing Nardi with Gil Pstterson.”

    i agree that’s one positive step from what i’ve heard about patterson. he’s always had good reviews.

    that’s it?

    that’s all you got hal?

    cheap moth%k$F^4er

  578. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Randy, granted you guys won in ’09 – the Twins, though, are to be commended for remaining competitive. Who can forget Rod Carew, Lymon Bostock and Bert Blyleven. Also, the slick fielder, Jim Kaat.

  579. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Harmon is great as well, R.I.P..

  580. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    I would like to see the Yanks move on the soon to be 23yr old Cuban ss. Diaz is his name (I think) he profiles with good power and throwing ability. Could be a replacement for Jeter down the road.

  581. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    I remember listening to len Barker’s perfect game against the Jays. One of those pitchers like A.J., that you expected so much more from.

  582. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

    on august 10th the pirates were 14 games over .500 and held the 2nd wild card spot to themselves.

    aj’s pitching from there:
    8/11 vs. SD 5.0 IP, 9 hits, 5 R, 4 ER lost 5-0
    8/16 vs LAD 6.2IP, 7H 6R 6 ER they won 10-6
    8/21 @ SD 6.1 IP 12 H, 4R, 4ER lost
    8/27 vs. STL 5.2 IP, 7H, 4R, 4ER lost
    then after it was over, just to make sure he lost his first 4 games in september.

    same old aj

    its not the coaching…

  583. randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    y’s guy-

    get your head out of the new year’s punch

    aj had a 2.50 era in 6 september starts

    of course you are one of those long time cashman apologists who can’t see the forest for the woods.

    you ever think of following another sport that might be more appropriate for you like world lumberjack tour.

  584. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    I’m so glad A.J., isn’t on my team. Randy, the guy’s a hand grenade in a kitchen.

  585. Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Chip December 30th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    I would like to see the Yanks move on the soon to be 23yr old Cuban ss. Diaz is his name (I think) he profiles with good power and throwing ability. Could be a replacement for Jeter down the road.

    ——————–

    Cash will get to it after he checks off everything else on his list. :|

    So lemme get this straight, they’re not shopping Giancarlo and they don’t plan to move him but they are listening to offers on him..? I can almost hear Randy Levine licking his chops from here……… PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET GIANCARLO ON THIS TEAM RANDY!!

    Sadly, a part of me thinks Mr. Levine might enjoy trading away all of Cash’s prospects to get him.

  586. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    “randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    y’s guy-

    get your head out of the new year’s punch

    aj had a 2.50 era in 6 september starts
    —————————————-
    exactly! the guy sucked when it counted, i showed you what he did when they were in the stretch run, then by september 11th he had tanked them out of the pennant race and from there on he was cy freakin young.

    when the games are small, aj is as good as they come. when the stands fill up and his team counts on him he folds.

  587. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Jack Morris won that ten inning game and pitched his way for the Jays in’92 to the most pedestrian 20 win season you’ve ever seen. I’d take Stieb, any day.

  588. mick December 30th, 2012 at 1:49 pm

    in the meantime, other teams are back in the game with the yankees shutting it down.
    ======================================
    randy-
    if you are correct, which you very well might be, then we sure had a helluva run with our Yankees.

  589. blake December 30th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    “For all those Upton fans can someone explain why his fielding ( UZR ) dropped so much last year?”

    UZR isn’t very accurate and really isn’t in one year samples

  590. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    I’m so glad George hated Winfield. Despite killing that seagul, Dave was meant to be here. :)

  591. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    j mills

    im so glad george was such a dirtbag, too.

    paying spira to spy on winfield is why he was suspened the second time.

    and out of that a dynasty was born!

  592. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Hal took over in – what 2007 – other than the SF Giants – I am trying to find a more successful franchise than the Yanks? The Phillies and Cards are right there. Here is Hal’s resume to date:

    1 WS title, 3 ALCS, 3 AL East Division champs

  593. blake December 30th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    “Hal took over in – what 2007 – other than the SF Giants – I am trying to find a more successful franchise than the Yanks? The Phillies and Cards are right there. Here is Hal’s resume to date:”

    That title was won because of 1) decisions made before he came along and 2) because he authorized spending big money for CC and Tex.

    If he stops allowing them to spend then we will see…..

  594. randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    “paying spira to spy on winfield is why he was suspened the second time.

    and out of that a dynasty was born!”

    hey, i’m not going to be one who says getting gene michael and bob watson in there was a bad idea.

    ex players in the front office.

    what a concept.

  595. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    That title was won because of 1) decisions made before he came along and 2) because he authorized spending big money for CC and Tex.

    ******

    But Hal was around authorizing ARod, Posada, and Mo to resign – and then not trading for Johan Santana – which led to Hughes sticking around – which led to Hughes being the setup guy – and authorizing Swisher to be traded for – and A.J. to be signed – and bringing in Joe Girardi – seems as if Hal was part of a lot of the decisions – - – -

    Regardless – Hal and his ownership reign along with Cashman have their hands all over a WS title – that is not something that cannot be changed – - – -

  596. Duh Innings II December 30th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    The Yankees should sign Carlos Lee to be the DH because he has the lowest strikeout rate and the highest contact rate of all unsigned hitters, but that would make too much sense.

    Let’s give Pettitte a guy who may not even reach 20 starts in 2013 $2M more than Mo and Youkilis who won’t hit for average and might not hit or power get on base much double what Reynolds took from Cleveland.

    Let’s also guarantee Matt Diaz $1.2M if he makes the team with a possibility to make $2M total but not give 3.14 ERA, under 1.2 WHIP for the 2012 Twins Scott Baker $5.5M base + $1.5M incentives = up to $7M total, $5M > Diaz could make.

    Had the Yanks told Pettitte he’s worth 75% of Mo (offered him $7.5M base + $2.5M incentives) and signed Baker for what he took from the Cubs, they’d have spent only $1M more on those two than they spent on Pettitte, $2.5M if Baker or Pettitte made max incentive money, $5M if both made max (who cares as they’d have to have been #3 starter at worst each to earn that?)

    Sabathia/Kuroda/Pettitte/Hughes/Baker = Hughes, Nova, or Phelps traded for a hitter or a set bullpen with Nova or Phelps as the swingman.

    Under my plan:

    Martin re-signed for what he took from Pittsburgh ($8.5M a year for two years, a measly $1M raise for 2013.)

    Chavez re-signed for what he took from Arizona ($3M) and Hannahan signed for the same amount and a Chavez/Hannahan platoon for $6M total.

    Melky Cabrera re-signed for two years at $6M I bet he would’ve taken to be a Yankee again. He, Chavez, and Hannahan costs the same as what the Yanks stupidly gave Youkilis.

    Carlos Lee signed to be the DH.

    C, 3B, RF & DH solved.

  597. randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    “2) because he authorized spending big money for CC and Tex.”

    the worst thing someone can do is to try to be what they are not.

    the yankees won because they bought lots of really good free agents to add to a core.

    not a few free agents. a lot of free agents.

    this whole hal cheap ass thing is total BS.

    it has zero chance of working.

    hal’s cheapness will result in the yankees sucking and then hal will have to reconsider and buy some expensive patches simply to compete.

    hal’s plan is a mess.

  598. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    George had ex-ball players in front office positions before – it was the suspension that finally led others to finally show some restraint and patience – - – -

  599. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Well – the Detroit Lions have not shown up today – - – - -

  600. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    i agree randy, i’d like to see some more ex players in the yankees upper levels.

  601. blake December 30th, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    “Regardless – Hal and his ownership reign along with Cashman have their hands all over a WS title – that is not something that cannot be changed – – – -”

    Yes….operating like the Yankees….he’s trying to change that now though

  602. Bronx Jeers December 30th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    im so glad george was such a dirtbag, too.

    paying spira to spy on winfield is why he was suspened the second time.

    ———-

    George never hired Spira to do anything. It was extortion for which Spira did 2 years in prison.

  603. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    blake December 30th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
    “Regardless – Hal and his ownership reign along with Cashman have their hands all over a WS title – that is not something that cannot be changed – – – -”

    Yes….operating like the Yankees….he’s trying to change that now though

    *******

    Naah – not entirely – they still have a significant payroll and right now everything is just speculation – just look at the bullpen – last year they had around 29 millionish committed to Rafael and Mo – in 2014 – they could save on the pen by going with a whole cast of college relievers/arms that might be ready with DRob leading the charge – - – - -the reduction in bullpen spending alone could be somewhere around 20 million dollars in saving – and if we are all speculating here – if Heathcott pans out – boy oh boy – that is a game changer – - – -

  604. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    so then what exactly did steinbrenner pay howard spira $40K for?

  605. randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    “i agree randy, i’d like to see some more ex players in the yankees upper levels.”

    yes what’s not to like. with the time these players have on the road, i’m guessing more than a few can use their computers too.

    ys guy, why not blow away the competition with management and coaching excellence? why not be head and shoulders above every other team?

    the yankees appear to be screwed with the new cba. time for a new plan. outspend the opponents in management and coaching. double what anyone else does.

    of course if hal is just plain cheap and doesn’t want to spend any money on anything well that’s another story.

    but if hal is serious about development , he needs to back it up with his wallet and put double what’s going in there now.

  606. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Outside of Swisher what has this eye toward austerity cost the Yankees really? The free agents who left the team were a backup inf, a high priced middle reliever, a catcher every fan on this board hated and a dh that arguably was just as bad offensively. Even Swisher isn’t worth the money he’s getting and has been a major post season disapointment

    Would George’s Yankees have been in on Hamilton? Absolutely. But Josh has questionmarks all over him that could justify any team from passing on him. Would his Yankees have signed AJ? Yes, but how often have we begged the team to trust its young players rather than go for the veteran fix? So, that is what they are doing.

    Would I like the front office to be more creative in how they build towards the future? Yea I would, but the offseason isn’t over yet. I still believe there will be deals in January. I would very much like for them to sign the Cuban ss and hopefully guys like the Almontes, Adams and Mesa will open at aaa and b ein position to help the team in the second half. Hopefullu Austin and Heathcott will open in aa and show enough to profile as the corner of of the future. Would anyone be upset with a 2014 OF of Abe Almonte between Austin and Heathcott? With David Adams at 3b while alex moves to full time dh duty?

  607. randy l. December 30th, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    “if you are correct, which you very well might be, then we sure had a helluva run with our Yankees.”

    mick-

    yup,one of the great runs in baseball history.

  608. mick December 30th, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    hal’s cheapness will result in the yankees sucking and then hal will have to reconsider and buy some expensive patches simply to compete.
    ===============================
    Hal hasn’t always been cheap. He is now, but this so-called lack of a plan, just might his plan.
    That is, going cheap now to reset the LT, then sinking the savings back in the future, which could be anywhere from 2-4 years from now .

    In the meantime, youth might be served. To say with confidence that the results will have us “sucking” is a guess but if you are right you will be the first to remind us.

  609. mick December 30th, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    yup,one of the great runs in baseball history.
    =========================
    In sports history…

  610. blake December 30th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    “Naah – not entirely – they still have a significant payroll”

    A significant payroll that isn’t paying for hardly any players under 35.

  611. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    im wondering whether jorge posada and kevin youkilis have had any conversations about #20 yet…

  612. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    Blake,

    That is because of short sighted long term deals. The same deals the Yankees are trying to avoid now. It will be interesting to see if that factors into Cano negotiations.

  613. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    YS Guy….

    It was already announced that Youk will wear #36.

  614. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    blake December 30th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
    “Naah – not entirely – they still have a significant payroll”

    A significant payroll that isn’t paying for hardly any players under 35.

    *****

    Naah – C.C., Granderson, Tex, and Cano are still under 35 – Jeter, Mo, and Pettite deserve their amounts just for being who they are – but true ARod, over 35, would fit your category – I guess Ichiro too (but I like Ichiro – he has that Jason Kidd vide too him – and not the dui/Hamptons thing) – - – -

  615. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    i’m not surprised youk didn’t want to make that phone call….or maybe he did make it….

  616. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Well, the Lions finally got on the board before the half – still down 10 – - – -

  617. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    Ys,

    My guess is that if he asked for it he would have gotten it. Not asking is the classy move.

  618. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    cone will be looking for a few beers out of youk, though…

    speaking of whom, how much fun would it be to go out for a few drinks with cone?

  619. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Go , Barry Lions, middle relief be damned.

  620. Bronx Jeers December 30th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    so then what exactly did steinbrenner pay howard spira $40K for?

    ————-

    Basically to shut him up and to get him out of his life. Spira vaguely worked for Winfield and owed Winfield about $25,000. He did provide dirt on Winfield to George but it wasn’t a pay for info deal. The suspension really came from the fact that Spira owed massive gambling debts and Fay Vincent railroaded George into an “association with a known gambler”

    Incidentally the $40,000 did not satisfy Spira. Whie he demanded more that’s when he got hit with the extortion charge.

  621. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    David Cone,….was different.

  622. Ys Guy December 30th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    and you buy that explanation? whatever…i could care less.

    but you can’t argue that george’s second suspension is the best thing that happened to the yankees in the last 25 years.

  623. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    but you can’t argue that george’s second suspension is the best thing that happened to the yankees in the last 25 years.

    *****

    That – and the Astros and four other teams passing on Jeter in the ’92 draft – - – -

  624. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    The Yanks won 4 out of 5 in the late nineties, that makes them the Montreal Canadians up here for little god’s sake.

  625. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    Lions score!!!! Down by 3 – pending the extra point – - – - -

  626. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    YS…

    Youk getting 36 probably hurt Freddy Garcia’s feelings.

  627. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    The Yanks won 4 out of 5 in the late nineties, that makes them the Montreal Canadians up here for little god’s sake.

    ******

    What makes it extra special is that it was done in the wild card era – an extra round of playoffs with a dangerous best of 5 series in the first round makes you appreciate even more that run – - – -

  628. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Stoneburner…

    Also Stick and Watson convincing George to roll with Jeter instead of dealing a relief pitcher named Rivera for Felix Fermin when Tony Fernandez broke his wrist.

  629. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Stone, yup. Joe Torre rules.

  630. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    I am choosing to think positively about the 189 thing. That the Yankees believe that they can do this because they have faith in this budding crop of position players. Or, even if they don’ t havee faith, they don’t have a chioce.

  631. blake December 30th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    “Naah – C.C., Granderson, Tex, and Cano are still under 35 –”

    Ok I’ll ammend…. Hardly any players that aren’t past their primes

  632. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    Stone, yup. Joe Torre rules.

    ****

    Yup – and Zimmer and Mel too!!

  633. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Blake,

    Yet you advocated signing Hamilton and Bourn…wouldn’t that just add to the problem?

  634. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Great job with the turnover Detroit (sarcasm added for emphasis) – - – -

  635. blake December 30th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Chip says:
    December 30, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    Blake,

    Yet you advocated signing Hamilton and Bourn…wouldn’t that just add to the problem?

    False. I advocated signing Hamilton only to a 4 or 5 year deal and not Bourn at all unless it was for one year and I could trade Granderson for value .

    My whole point with Hamilton was that 5/125 for him is better than 200+ million for Cano

  636. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    http://www.dailymotion.com/vid.....-mon_music

    A little, brevity :)

  637. Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    The Yankees only have 3 long term deals on the books… or am I missing someone?

  638. G. Love December 30th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Tex hit his prime in Texas/ATL/Anaheim. It’s long since gone.

  639. blake December 30th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Sadly the Yanks apparently only got one year of prime production from the 8 years of Tex’s deal …. Need to be careful with Cano… He’s got a better swing than Tex….but he will be 3 years older as a FA too

  640. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    Blake,

    Ok, I have no issue with those suggestions, my mistake.

    That said, if the Yanks hav eto go with this older group for a year and then can reset with their young players wouldn’t that be something? Now I know, the Yanks have been loathe to go with any young guys – preferring to use them as trade chips – so the odds of them three or four of the group of Almonte, Almonte, Austin, Heathcott, Banuelos, Adams, Joseph into the lineup next year is unlikely. But at least there won’t be aging vets blocking them.

    This year Romine is going to get a legit chance, Mustellier may be used in the Eric Chavez role, Melky Mesa or Zoilo Almonte may open as the fourth OF so circumstance seems to be forcing them to look at their own prospects.

    Like I said, deals could still be coming. A trade for a strong lh bat to DH and the signing of someone to fill the Andruw Jones role.

    Guys like Luke Scott, Lance Berkman, Pronk, Juan Rivera, Carlos Lee, Kelly Johnson, Rod Barajas are all still available and any of them could fill roles on this team. But my HOPE is that they stay in house.

  641. blake December 30th, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    “That said, if the Yanks hav eto go with this older group for a year and then can reset with their young players wouldn’t that be something?”

    Sure if the young players are good and fast…..if not and they won’t spend money then they could be pretty mediocre for awhile.

  642. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Shame,

    CC, Alex, and Tex are the only current long term deals. Unfortunately, two of those are fugly deals.

  643. blake December 30th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    I’m not sure fugly even describes Alex’s contract at this point….a new word may need to be invented

  644. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    Blake,

    Then we have to hope that those players are good, because even the “value” free agents are pretty expensive and next year is a weaker crop. The alternative is to deal the key fa’s now for guys they can control long term. If they don’t believe in the kids then hanging onto Granderson, Hughes, Cano and Logan for one more run is short sighted.

    The two things we should be terrified of are the Yankees giving Cano a Pujols deal and Jeter opting out of the last year of his deal.

  645. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Blake,

    I am hoping that David Adams is really good at AAA aand by midseason is the starting 3b for the Yankees with Alex at DH. Then try to deal Alex next winter.

  646. blake December 30th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    “The two things we should be terrified of are the Yankees giving Cano a Pujols deal and Jeter opting out of the last year of his deal.”

    I don’t think Jeter will….but if he repeats 2012 he very well might.

    I have a hard time seeing the Cano situation ending well either way….either they let him walk and that would suck….or they pay him way too much for way too long and that would suck too.

    The time for extending him has passed…..he’s going to go to free agency now and again it’s hard to see a good outcome either way

  647. jmills December 30th, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Blake, there’s a good way out of this effing thing, and, we’re going to find a way!

  648. blake December 30th, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    jmills says:
    December 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm
    Blake, there’s a good way out of this effing thing, and, we’re going to find a way!

    I thought u were a jays fan? Maybe if we could borrow your GM?

  649. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    Blake,

    I agree, best case scenario now is someone makes Cashman an offer on Cano he can’t refuse. Short of that, I let him walk.

    As for Jeter, given how the negotiations for this contract went, it wouldn’t shock me for him to tweak Cashman by opting out and seeking a 2 yr $22mil deal.

    That is part of the reason I sign the cuban kid. He profiles to hit for average and power and has an above avg arm…in other words, he is likely better than Nunez.

    You could be looking at a winter where Andy, Rivera, Jeter, and Cano all leave the team. In addition to lesser guys like Hughes, Joba and Granderson.

  650. blake December 30th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    If there was no budget then Id say sign Cano….but given there is I think they should let him walk as well.

    He’s a great player but at 31 I feel like they could better use all the money it would take to sign him elsewhere

  651. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    Blake,

    I felt the same way about trading him. Use Cano to fill multiple issues.

  652. blake December 30th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    “As for Jeter, given how the negotiations for this contract went, it wouldn’t shock me for him to tweak Cashman by opting out and seeking a 2 yr $22mil deal.”

    Heck he could be worth that… I never doubt Jeter

  653. blake December 30th, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    Chip says:
    December 30, 2012 at 3:56 pm
    Blake,

    I felt the same way about trading him. Use Cano to fill multiple issues.

    Yea…..they’ll never do it though

  654. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Blake, I didn’t say he wasn’t worth it. But it might be enough to screw the front office.

  655. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    No, they won’t trade Cano because unfortunately it goes against everything Cash knows.

  656. Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    GLove!! Are you ready for this evening? I’m prepared to be in a lot of pain by the time the night is over.

  657. blake December 30th, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Chip says:
    December 30, 2012 at 4:01 pm
    No, they won’t trade Cano because unfortunately it goes against everything Cash knows.

    And also it would be admitting that they are punting 2013

  658. Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    I’m gonna start drinking in about an hour.. should make the 8 o’clock game easier to get through.

  659. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    Blake,

    On that we will agree to disagree. The right trade could make the Yankees just as competative in 2013 but set them up better long term too.

  660. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 4:24 pm

    But what if Cano Brett’s/Carew’s it in his 30s?

  661. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Shame,
    Why wait?

  662. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Two words never before uttered by me: Go, Redskins.

  663. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Don’t expect the Braves to address their opening in left field with Delmon Young, tweets David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#LMtfrvWA0dSdTful.99

    ******

    Hey, I have some leftfielders for yah Atlanta – - – -

  664. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Earlier today, we learned the Marlins will listen to all offers on Giancarlo Stanton. Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star tweets the Royals may not be a fit rhetorically asking “Where would he play?”
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#45lv8LtArRmPTk2A.99

    *****

    I think you make room for him KC – - – -

  665. Shame Spencer December 30th, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    tomingeorgia December 30th, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Shame,
    Why wait?

    —————–

    Fair point! I’ll ignore your subsequent post :D

  666. blake December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    “On that we will agree to disagree. The right trade could make the Yankees just as competative in 2013 but set them up better long term too.”

    Example? I think you could potentially get a good prospect return for Cano….but I highly doubt you’re getting back good big league ready talent for 1 year of him

  667. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    AndrewMarchand 42 days until pitchers & catchers.

  668. blake December 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm

    Excerpt
    From the latest edition of the Joe Sheehan Newsletter:

    “The amphetamine era featured just as many statistical anomalies as did the steroid era, but there was no connection between the two reported. No one cared. Why that is the case is a topic for a book, I’d imagine, but you cannot defend the idea that steroids alone fundamentally changed the game’s statistics in a way that the previous generation’s drug of choice didn’t. The correct answer, or course, is to see the whole board and acknowledge that peak homer was the product of a dozen factors, with the number “73″ an explicable statistical outlier in that context, just as peak steal (and “130″) was the same, just as peak playing time was the same, just as peak innings pitched was the same.”

    @joe_sheehan: Latest Newsletter out, on amphetamines and statistics. For excerpt and subscription info: http://t.co/WBPoiZm7

  669. Tar December 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    “UZR isn’t very accurate and really isn’t in one year samples”

    So you are saying that Upton played basically the same defense, but his UZR went from 7.7 to -2.1 because of a 1 year sample size? And if UZR is that bad what does that say about WAR?

    I’m confused.

  670. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Blake,

    Angels get Cano
    Yanks get Kendrick, Conger amd LA’s top prospect who happens to be a slugging 3b

  671. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Did you all see where Ken Davidoff based his hof ballot on WAR and JWAR (or something) and then had to admit he didn’t understand the stat when he was called out for basing his choice to leave Piazza off his ballot because of those metrics?

  672. Tar December 30th, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    Chip

    I didn’t see that, but he should lose his right to vote for something that asinine.

  673. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Tar, the column was in the Post before Christmas and then he went on xm and laughedbabout how he wishes he could have a do over. Seriously? If you want to use new metrics that’s fine, but call someone and get a primer in it. It would be like a surgeon using a proceedure he has heard about but never really seen done or practiced.

  674. Tar December 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm

    Chip

    That’s inexcusable in my book. He should apologize to Piazza for starters.

    Speaking of Sabre stuff. I brought up earlier that Upton’s UZR went from 7.7 to -2.1. I am just trying to understand, because there is a smart group of fans here opining to get Upton. The cost of which is going to be really high in terms of prospects. I’m not trying to turn this into a Sabre vs traditional argument.

    But last years premier defensive stat says he sucked on D. Now I didn’t get to watch him play much, and I’m sure a majority on here didn’t have the opportunity to watch him play with any regularity. So it would be nice to rely on something that I can compare him to. Going by UZR and WAR last year Nick Swisher was a far better player than Upton. Why?

    I for one don’t want to give up all those prospects for a younger Nick Swisher.

    So what gives? DId he suck on D or not?

  675. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    This game tonight should be good, but there’s no Fat Sonny or Dandy Don to add spice.

  676. UnKnown December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    This game in Minneapolis is crazy. Very intense…

    AP is so awesome.

  677. Tar December 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm

    One more thing I understand the argument that UZR is not good for catchers and 1b, But Upton is an outfielder. Surely that should be easier for UZR to get right.

  678. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    37th anniversary of the end of the reserve clause, ushering in the era of George Steinbrenner’s Yankees. It’s on RAB.

  679. Nilsson December 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    UZR and some of the other well-known defensive metrics get their raw data from BIS. At least on an annual basis, this raw data has to be modeled as a random sampling of a much larger data size. As a result, depending on the random sampling size, you introduce some amount of random sampling error when the calculations are done.

    Having said all that, perhaps J. Upton simply had a bad year. His OPS+ experienced a significant drop from the previous year. Maybe he also had a bad year defensively relative to 2011.

  680. blake December 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    Chip says:
    December 30, 2012 at 5:33 pm
    Blake,

    Angels get Cano
    Yanks get Kendrick, Conger amd LA’s top prospect who happens to be a slugging 3b

    Makes the Yanks worse

  681. blake December 30th, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    “So you are saying that Upton played basically the same defense, but his UZR went from 7.7 to -2.1 because of a 1 year sample size? And if UZR is that bad what does that say about WAR?

    I’m confused.”

    I’m saying it “could” mean he was worse defensively…..but it also could mean nothing at all and simply be biased based on the one year sample……to me that’s the biggest issue with WAR….it heavily values defense and to this point the defensive stats aren’t accurate enough to do that

  682. blake December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    “Did you all see where Ken Davidoff based his hof ballot on WAR and JWAR (or something) and then had to admit he didn’t understand the stat when he was called out for basing his choice to leave Piazza off his ballot because of those metrics?”

    Yes….I scolded him like 3 days ago

  683. blake December 30th, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Davidoff based his entire vote on WAR….yet didnt even know that catchers are always invalided by the stat.

    Using advanced metrics is fine if that’s what you believe in I guess….. But you has better know inside and out what the numbers mean or else you kinda looks silly….and I like Davidoff usually

  684. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2012 at 7:42 pm

    Sorry, the story is on MLTR, not RAB.

  685. tomingeorgia December 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Very nice win for the Vikings.

  686. ron December 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    When trading a cano for prospects,you are going to take a step back as a team.
    The question is,in a year,or two,can you recover,and the idea is to be better after it.Why not act now,instead of react after the inevitable?
    The yankees if they sign cano will have 4 players making close to 100 million dollars.
    Figure another 8 million,or so for the players 26-40.

    That leaves less than 81 million for the 21 starting players,and the bench with our prospects not ready because it takes a few years to blossom,if they are even ready for 2014.

    That is less than 4 million dollars each for the rest of your 25 man starting team,and bench.

    4 starting pitchers,7 bullpen arms,a catcher,ss,lf,cf,rf,3b,4 bench players,with one being a bu catcher.
    Not to mention,arod,tex,cc,cano will be 1 1/2-2 years older,all for a run at 2013,before possibly a huge decline?

    I’d rather trade cano,granderson,hughes for 4 good prospects that are ready,or just about ready,that did well in AA,or AAA so it is easier to scout them coming out of AA,and AAA,and they will help us earlier than a far away pick,and even our own prospects who are farther away.

    Trading cano,granderson,hughes drops 31-35 million off payroll.
    It’s like in fantasy baseball.
    It’s all about value.
    Cano making 25 million a year,at 31 yrs old,has very little value.
    Take a pedroia,craig,etc…,who will give you similar points,or production,but you also benefit elsewhere because it costs less,or it sets you up better at another position.
    It’s like not taking a cabrera first in a draft so you can get a verlander,or longoria,and settling for a fielder at 1b.
    Would you rather have a verlander,and fielder,or a longoria,and fielder,or a cabrera,and hughes,or a cabrera,and arod?
    Cabrera might give you 75 more points,but you lose it,and more with arod,instead of longoria.
    The yankees always target the most expensive positional players,and pay max dollar on every position,even if it is our own homegrown players.

    I’d like to see them go after less high profile,under the radar players with good enough production.

    I’d be happy with a 23 hr/90 rbi/.800 ops/.280 ba 2b,with good split numbers because it allows you to put money into other areas of need.

    I just can’t understand signing cano,and letting everybody else go,when we can trade the three for a nice haul.
    The giants,and cardinals proved you don’t need an allstar at every position,just good pitching,and a few good bats.
    We could of put a nice scrappy team together after trading cano,granderson,hughes,by signing melky,ajp,and a few others on short term,cheap contracts,while getting 4 nice prospects back,wich will put us in much better shape than only tex,cc,cano,arod,and a bunch of fillins in 2014.
    We would have cc,tex,arod,our prospects,the ones we got in trades,and a lot of money to spend.
    I like that idea better.
    It is insane that we are paying almost 40 million for 3b production.

  687. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    “When trading a cano for prospects,you are going to take a step back as a team.
    The question is,in a year,or two,can you recover,and the idea is to be better after it.Why not act now,instead of react after the inevitable?”

    Because I just can’t see then admitting to the public that they aren’t even going to attempt to sign him…..many of us would see it as a smart or creative move…… The casual fan would see it as them cheaping out and punting the season….and they won’t risk that.

    Again….I think there is merit to considering a trade with Cano in theory…..I just think there is essentially zero chance they would ever do it

  688. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    UZR doesn’t have to be terrible or inaccurate for Justin Upton to have a down year. It isn’t useful for 1B or Catchers because they don’t have a large area in which to make plays that can be divided up & graded in slices or zones. But for outfielders there are thousands of chances they can be graded against and a large, easily divided playing area where they can be checked for.

    The reason why you shouldn’t take a 1 year sample size of UZR as gospel is not because it is inaccurate or bad, but because 1 year doesn’t tell you about a players true defensive ability. A player can be a good defender, and have a down year. Just like a hitter can be a good hitter & have a down year. Over 3 years you get a better view of a player’s defense from UZR. And another thing to keep in mind is that UZR is a number + or – from average, so if Upton has a slight down year coupled with an increase in the number of quality defensive RFers making plays, then his numbers will suffer. Or it could be he is a good defender but botched a couple of easy plays which hurt his rating. Vice versa is true, a bad defender can pull a couple of plays out of his butt and get a good rating, but that good rating doesn’t mean everyone suddenly thinks he is a good defender. Just like a fluke season doesn’t make a pitcher good or a hitter good. Its all about consistency in baseball. Any schmo can hit a HR in a game, even an important game, but its the guys who can hit a HR 30 times a year that make the big bux.

    Thats why you want to look at a larger sample.

  689. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm

    And for what its worth, Dewan’s PLUS/MINUS system still liked Upton.

  690. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    it is a good one so far on Sunday night b/w the Cowgirls and Washington – - – -

  691. luis December 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Good evening,

    Just a couple of thoughts:

    Randy I…. I read some of your posts about the Yankees inability to develop players and their recent success due to spending on FA….Don’t forget that it all started with an amazing core that was developed in the early 90′s…. It wasn’t their spending ability alone that has brought us so many satisfactions, but that spending ability complimenting a very strong homegrown core.

    I think the problem we are facing is that after Stick Michaels left, that balance was lost. Even though Cashman says the right things, he doesn’t have the talent to come through. Unfortunately, that core has gotten old and needs to be replaced and the current FO lacks the ability to recognize and develop the right players for the new dynasty.

  692. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    “The reason why you shouldn’t take a 1 year sample size of UZR as gospel is not because it is inaccurate or bad, but because 1 year doesn’t tell you about a players true defensive ability”

    Then isnt the number for one year inaccurate by definition?

  693. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    I wonder if Cash has even seriously talked to Towers about J Ups

  694. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    I wonder if Cash has even seriously talked to Towers about J Ups

    *****

    I just hope Cash and Levine are talking with the Marlins as well – - – -

  695. blake December 30th, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    I just hope Cash and Levine are talking with the Marlins as well – – – -”

    Yea of course….I don’t even know if the yanks hav enough to get Giancarlo even if they wanted to….if they offered everything they had….

  696. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    you mean – even if they offered them – everyone?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk

  697. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 10:06 pm

    Up until now – Yankees fans should be happy that there is no bigger prospect hugger than Jon Daniels – now if they decide to turn course – then everyone will be sorry – but up until now Daniels has kept his chips to a fault this offseason so far – - – -

  698. Nick in SF December 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    “Don’t forget that it all started with an amazing core that was developed in the early 90?s…. It wasn’t their spending ability alone that has brought us so many satisfactions, but that spending ability complimenting a very strong homegrown core…. I think the problem we are facing is that after Stick Michaels left, that balance was lost.”

    Please don’t forget, also, that part of that lost balance is also what preceded the acquisition and development of that core: years of dreadful, losing seasons and the suspension of the meddlesome owner. The current situation is not quite what Stick Michael faced when he took over as GM.

  699. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Then isnt the number for one year inaccurate by definition?

    No, because the player could still be valuable defensively in that 1 year, or not good, while still being a truely bad or good defender over their lifetime. What 1 year of UZR doesn’t tell you is if a player is a consistently good or bad defensive player.

    What 1 year of UZR tells you is if that player was good or bad that year compared to the average.

  700. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Profar, Olt, Martin and Feliz for Stanton?

  701. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    My guess is the Rangers end up w/ a bat from the DBacks – - – -

  702. Chip December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    My HOPE is that the rangers wind up with a bat from the yankees. Granderson for Murphy, Gentry, and either Moreland or a minor leaguer.

  703. Tar December 30th, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    “Thats why you want to look at a larger sample.”

    Thanks everybody I appreciate the answers. Not sure I got my answer, but appreciate the replies.

  704. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    I’d trade for Upton if he is merely a younger Nick Swisher because Nick Swisher is really good & Upton’s ceiling is way higher.

  705. blake December 30th, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    “No, because the player could still be valuable defensively in that 1 year, or not good, while still being a truely bad or good defender over their lifetime. ”

    But a number doesn’t say that ….it says a player is what the number says they are….

  706. blake December 30th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    Chip says:
    December 30, 2012 at 10:19 pm
    Profar, Olt, Martin and Feliz for Stanton?

    Be hard to beat that if you’re the Marlins

  707. Nick in SF December 30th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    It’s Romo time. :twisted:

  708. blake December 30th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    Especially if you’re using UZR to calculate WAR….there is no wiggle room in what the number says….it says a player is what the number says for that year….if there is a chance that number doesn’t accurately reflect reality then it’s not an accurate number for that year IMO…..

  709. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Be hard to beat that if you’re the Marlins

    *****

    It can be beat – it is just would any team want to offer that much – - – -

  710. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    But a number doesn’t say that ….it says a player is what the number says they are….

    ???? UZR says that, overall, Justin Upton is a good defender. The point is that 1 year of UZR does not make a player’s reputation defensively. The reason why you look at more than 1 year is specifically because a player is not just 1 years worth of production. Upton can be a good bet to be defensively positive next year while still accepting that he had a poor year last year.

  711. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Especially if you’re using UZR to calculate WAR….there is no wiggle room in what the number says….it says a player is what the number says for that year….if there is a chance that number doesn’t accurately reflect reality then it’s not an accurate number for that year IMO…

    You’re completely missing the point, Blake. WAR & UZR are counting stats. The sum total of Upton’s WAR for his career combines all of his positive UZR contributions AND his negative contributions. He can be a good defender overall & still have a negative year. His WAR for that year should reflect how good or bad he was defensively & offensively that year. THat is the point of WAR.

  712. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Justin Upton’s 2012 UZR tells you how good a defender he was at making plays in 2012. It dosen’t tell you how good Justin Upton is going to be in 2013, or how good he was prior to 2012. It is literally just the sum of his positives & negatives for the year 2012 based on the plays he made or didn’t. It is not a defensive ‘rating’ which says he is a good or bad defender.

  713. blake December 30th, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    “???? UZR says that, overall, Justin Upton is a good defender. The point is that 1 year of UZR does not make a player’s reputation defensively. The reason why you look at more than 1 year is specifically because a player is not just 1 years worth of production”

    I didn’t say it did….I said that it was inaccurate in one year samples and because WAR uses one year samples as the defensive component then WAR probably isn’t as accurate as it could be

  714. blake December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    “You’re completely missing the point, Blake. WAR & UZR are counting stats. The sum total of Upton’s WAR for his career combines all of his positive UZR contributions AND his negative contributions.”

    Sure….but these stats are used to describe single seasons all the time…..and you can’t say that they are best used in long multi year samples and that they are concrete evidence for one year at the same time.

  715. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    I said that it was inaccurate in one year samples and because WAR uses one year samples as the defensive component then WAR probably isn’t as accurate as it could be

    But its not inaccurate if Upton was not a good defender that year, missed plays, made errors on plays, or didn’t make as many plays as other RFers?? Its accurate for what he did that year.

  716. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    UZR is best looked at for multiple years if you want to understand a players defensive ability. If you simply want to know how a player did defensively in 1 year look at the UZR for that year.

  717. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    You shouldn’t look at 1 year and say “Ugh, Justin Upton is NOT a good defender” when other metrics & his previous years say he is a good defender, and that is backed up by scouting reports. What you can say is “Ugh, Justin Upton was not a good defender in 2012″. That is the difference, and why it is perfectly fine for WAR to include defensive statistics.

  718. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    If UZR is best used as a counting stat over multiple years then fine…..but you can’t say that and then also suggest that single season UZR and WAR are all that meaningful…..they tell you something perhaps ….but not everything

  719. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    they tell you something perhaps ….but not everything

    They do tell you something, how good a player was defensively for that year. Its not how good a defensive reputation, or defensive ceiling, its just how good at making plays that year. Who ever said UZR told you everything?

  720. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    “But its not inaccurate if Upton was not a good defender that year, missed plays, made errors on plays, or didn’t make as many plays as other RFers?? Its accurate for what he did that year.”

    Or….the number is just wrong….I don’t think we can say for sure which is true right now. If the other numbers and scouting reports say he was good…..and his UZR was unusually lower then what does that say about UZR?…..that it sees something that everything else doesn’t….. Or that it’s just wrong?

  721. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    “Who ever said UZR told you everything?”

    Well you are if you’re suggesting that Uptons UZR from 2012 is an accurate definition of his defense just for that year

  722. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    It’s nothing new that you trust defensive metrics more than I do…..but Id say we both would love to trade for Upton despite his lower UZR ;)

    Night all

  723. Nick in SF December 30th, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    “It will haunt him…” :cry:

  724. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Well you are if you’re suggesting that Uptons UZR from 2012 is an accurate definition of his defense just for that year

    Yes, and how is that everything? Its just 1 year. And he wasn’t even that bad! he was about an average fielder in 2012, which given his injuries is perfectly reasonable to take as being true. It doesn’t mean he is an average fielder forever.

  725. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Or it means that he was about the same as always and UZR is inaccurate in one year samples?

  726. UnKnown December 30th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    So typical of Romo.

    Shame, it looks like that is your answer to how this one will end in defeat.

    A pick and then roughing the passer. Ugly!

  727. Nick in SF December 30th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    “For Tony Romo, it just gets worse. :cry:

  728. Jerkface December 30th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    Or it means that he was about the same as always and UZR is inaccurate in one year samples?

    But UZR being inaccurate in 1 year samples is something you have imagined. Its an inaccurate measure of a player’s total defensive ability in 1 year samples. It is not an inaccurate measure of how a player performed in 1 year.

  729. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:17 pm

    @mlbtraderumors: Javier Vazquez May Return, Wants To Join Contender http://t.co/wYCYv531 #mlb

    Cashman just awoke from his slumber

  730. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    “But UZR being inaccurate in 1 year samples is something you have imagined”

    In your opinion….there is no proof of that

  731. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    If you look at UZR numbers year to year for players the variance is just way too high for it to he very accurate year to year IMO….. It’s usually all over the place and even though players can have better or worse years defensively it’s unlikely that there would be that much difference to me…..

  732. Nick in SF December 30th, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    Is OPS inaccurate in one-year samples too?

  733. Nick in SF December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    “Tony Romo… the way he played tonight… it’s gonna be hard to forget.” :cry:

  734. ron December 30th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    1 Year of uzr is equal to about 50-55 games,so you need 3 years of uzr to paint an accurate picture.

    If a player one year is a + 10,another year a – 10,and the v3rd year a 0,that player is an average defensive player.

  735. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 11:25 pm

    Just an awful game again for Romo in another big spot – Dallas area radio will be fun to listen to tomorrow – - – -

  736. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    Nick in SF says:
    December 30, 2012 at 11:21 pm
    Is OPS inaccurate in one-year samples too?

    Offensive numbers are pretty much what they are….there really isn’t any subjectivity to them or as many variables to account for……so yea Id say they give a much better picture as to what the player was offensively that season than UZR would defensively….

  737. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    So will Cash sign Javy as one of those depth moves he always loves…..third times the charm Cash

  738. blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    I’m out….hopefully will not be dreaming of defensive metrics :)

  739. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    LOL Romo with those passes over the middle and nothing longer than 10ish yards in the final seconds – as a Giants fan – misery loves company tonight – and I am happy to welcome the Cowgirls on over – - – -

  740. The Return of Stoneburner December 30th, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    blake December 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
    So will Cash sign Javy as one of those depth moves he always loves…..third times the charm Cash

    ****

    No, Cash only trades for Vazquez – now if Javier signs with a team – then watch out – - – -

  741. Nilsson December 30th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Eventually “field f/x” will remove the subjectivity from measuring baseball defense. Heck, teams might be using it internally now. It’ll catch up to offense soon.

    Jets fire both their OC and GM. But Rex may survive. Jets are weird team.

  742. Tar December 31st, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Wow did I spark a civil war! :D

    JF

    I get what you are saying, but the wild swing from one year to the next does not seem to accurately measure a good defensive player having an off year. From 7.7 to -2.1 seems like a crazy bad year.

    Did Upton really do that bad? If so, wouldn’t Cashman try to use that to his advantage in negotiating a possible trade?

  743. Tar December 31st, 2012 at 12:14 am

    “It is not an inaccurate measure of how a player performed in 1 year.”

    I just looked up Cano’s UZR numbers so I can base it on someone we have all seen a lot.

    2011) -3.0
    2012) 9.7

    What the heck is that ???? I guess that explains Uptons wild swing as well.

    Anyway good night Yankee fans.

  744. The Return of Stoneburner December 31st, 2012 at 12:21 am

    What’s the deal with Upton’s home/away splits?

  745. Nick in SF December 31st, 2012 at 12:22 am

    Not all find comfort in the Dark Arts.

  746. Jerkface December 31st, 2012 at 12:22 am

    I get what you are saying, but the wild swing from one year to the next does not seem to accurately measure a good defensive player having an off year. From 7.7 to -2.1 seems like a crazy bad year.

    Why not? Is there a set limit on how down a down year can be? As I said, UZR is measured against an average from the position for that year, so a down year by a good defender combined with strong years from other players can lead to such a decrease. In the end, Upton was 9th out of all RFers in UZR, so its not like he was awful.

    You must also factor in what each stat is trying to measure. For the most part UZR measures a player’s range & ability to catch/convert outs on balls in sections of the field. Its not going to give Cano lots of bonus points for being the best 2nd baseman at converting double plays due to his strong arm. Thats something that will be recorded in his outs/not outs but not given special emphasis.

    Similarly, someone may prefer a guy with a surer glove over someone with more range (though I disagree with anyone who would do so :) ) and the former may lose points vs the latter in these systems.

  747. Jerkface December 31st, 2012 at 12:25 am

    And as I said, Upton’s 2012 UZR doesnt tell us what his UZR will be in 2013, we should go to his history & scouting reports & ability for that. He has good speed, is very athletic, and has a decent glove so he should be strong in RF.

  748. Rich in NJ December 31st, 2012 at 1:46 am

    Wow, this may be the longest thread ever.

    Here’s hoping the new year brings Upton or Stanton, or failing that, enough development by the Yankees’ top prospects that they win over Randy Levine’s unwavering loyalty.

  749. MTU December 31st, 2012 at 7:37 am

    Happy Holidays Rich

    Good to see you round.

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  750. blake December 31st, 2012 at 7:54 am

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  751. blake December 31st, 2012 at 7:56 am

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  752. MTU December 31st, 2012 at 8:00 am

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    Barring any health concerns the Yankees should be going all out to get a guy like Upton or Stanton.

    They are not usually made available so young.

    And both are better than any of our MiLB guys are ever likely to be.

    With few exceptions you open up the vault for one of them.

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    That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.

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  753. MTU December 31st, 2012 at 8:02 am

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  754. blake December 31st, 2012 at 8:03 am

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  755. MTU December 31st, 2012 at 8:07 am

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    I think we’re getting a guy named “Diddley Squat”.

    He’s Jacksquat’s cousin.

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  756. blake December 31st, 2012 at 8:11 am

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  757. MTU December 31st, 2012 at 8:14 am

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    The Yankees are making a huge bet on their Farm again.

    This time with position guys instead of Pitchers.

    I hope they are more successful with them.

    Odds are a little better.

    That said IMO they seem to be hugging this latest crop a little too tight.

    We have 4/5 OF guys. All progressing at about the same rate.

    Randy once said that being a highly rated prospect in the Yankee’s system is like the kiss of death.

    If that logic holds Flores would be the most likely to succeed because he has flown under the radar.

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  758. blake December 31st, 2012 at 8:17 am

    MTU,

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  759. MTU December 31st, 2012 at 8:23 am

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    I was not suggesting trading all of them.

    Keep the best 1 or 2. IMO Heathcott is an accident waiting to happen.

    A GGBG/Ellsbury type. Valuable but injured half the frickin’ time.

    I’d look to trade him now while his value is high.

    And yeah I’d probably go along with you on that trade but I am really reluctant to part with Sanchez as he might turn out to be our C future.

    Then again he might bust too ?

    So who knows.

    What I do know is that guys like JU and Stanton are young studs and they are likely better than any of our guys ever become.

    Both are really young with plenty of cieling and productivity ahead of them.

    I hope Cashman has made the max. effort but I doubt he has.

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  761. MTU December 31st, 2012 at 8:27 am

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