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The next 12 months

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 01, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yesterday we looked back on 2012, month by month. Today we’ll look ahead to 2013, again going month by month.

January
Finish offseason shopping
A new designated hitter is a must. Another right-handed outfielder, on top of Matt Diaz, is still a priority. A backup infielder would make sense. So would additional catching depth. And adding a cheap veteran starter on a one-year deal would create some valuable depth and competition for the rotation.

February
Pitchers and catchers
The Yankees have done well with February free agent signings — Raul Ibanez and Eric Chavez just last year — and we might see some of that again, but when I think February, I think pitchers and catchers. And this spring, pitchers and catchers are going to be worth watching from the moment camp opens. February is going to be our first look at Mariano Rivera, David Aardsma and Joba Chamberlain; three guys with a bit of lingering uncertainty who will play vital roles in determining the strength of the bullpen. The intrigue of the Yankees catchers is fairly obvious.

March
Jeter’s ankle
Everyone involved says Derek Jeter’s ankle will be healthy and ready for Opening Day, but health is only part of the equation. Jeter is going to have to get enough spring at-bats to feel ready for the season opener. Mariano Rivera should be throwing well before camp opens, and Alex Rodriguez won’t be nearly ready for spring training. For the Grapefruit League schedule, Jeter’s ankle is going to be the immediate health concern.

April
The lineup
Two things about the Opening Day lineup: What will it look like and will it be enough? The first question will be answered early. The answer will surely change at some point, but it will be interesting to see how the Yankees use their lefties and who they put in the leadoff spot. The second question will be answered over time, but April should give some idea what to expect. Does Kevin Youkilis look like he has something left? Is there a viable DH situation in place? Can Ichiro Suzuki build on last year’s late success?

May
Pineda’s shoulder
The Yankees believe Michael Pineda could be on a mound by May. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be ready for the big leagues at that point, but May should be a good time to evaluate just how much last year’s surgery has affected the hard-throwing right hander. Early results might not tell us much, but once Pineda gets on a mound and faces hitters, we should know something about his status.

June
Rodriguez’s hip
The surgery still hasn’t happened, which means the rehab is still a long way away, all of which means an exact return is hard to predict for Alex Rodriguez. But June seems to be a reasonable barometer. If Rodriguez comes back quickly, then June should be a good time to figure out what kind of impact he can have. If he comes back slowly, June should be a good time to evaluate how far he’s come.

July
Trade deadline
A significant landmark of any season, the trade deadline could be especially interesting for the Yankees next season. Will they be one piece away from another World Series run? Will they be unlikely sellers, having conceded defeat to the upstart Blue Jays? Will they have the financial flexibility to make a big move?

August
An honest evaluation
On the last day of August, 2012, the Yankees had a two-game lead in the American League East. That’s exactly the way they finished the regular season. By August of 2013, the Yankees should have — or at least could have — both Alex Rodriguez and Michael Pineda on the active roster. They will have figured out whether their aging veterans can still play, whether guys like Brett Gardner and Phil Hughes can be impact players, and whether they have a legitimate shot at winning the division and the championship. There’s a lot of uncertainty between now and then, but by August, there should be some answers one way or the other.

September
Who’s ready?
September call-ups are supposed to be impact players. What’s interesting about the Yankees upcoming September decisions will be whether they give one of the young standouts an early look and possibly put him on track to play a role in 2014. Is it possible we’ll see a guy like Tyler Austin or Slade Heathcott?

October
Same as it ever was
This month brings the same thing every year. It’s the month that will decide the success or failure of the season. Have to get to the playoffs to make it count. Obviously.

November
First things first
Next winter is going to be a fascinating offseason for the Yankees, but we all know that things tend to develop slowly. The priorities of the Yankees have to be their manager and their second baseman. Joe Girardi’s contract is up, and the front office seems to like him. Robinson Cano’s contract is up, and everyone in baseball seems to like him. Do the Yankees re-sign both? Do they re-sign either?

December
The budget
The free agent market will begin coming into focus in late November, and the grunt work will be begin in December. After the Yankees set their priorities and decide how to spend the bulk of their money, Brian Cashman and Co. will have to use the month of December — and on into next January — to fill remaining holes without going over $189 million in payroll. It’s a year away, but you can bet it will be a constant part of the conversation from now until then.

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108 Responses to “The next 12 months”

  1. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 11:59 am

    It is interesting how things “might” play out again – back in 2010 offseason – it was a debate b/w Austin Jackson and Brett Gardner – who to keep – could the same happen with Williams and Heathcott – - – -

  2. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 11:59 am

    errr – meant 2009 offseason – - – -

  3. DONNYBROOK January 1st, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    I’ve Yet to see a good picture of Cashman on this Blog. The man takes an absolutely horrible pic.

  4. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    If the Mariners move Montero in a package for Giancarlo what would this blog look like? War zone? Asylum? A scene from Les Miserables?
    __

    I have browsed some posts over the last few months. If G. Love’s posts on what he has heard from his Yankee source are accurate (they seem to ring true to me), a trade like that might be the straw that finally ended Cashman’s interminable tenure here.

  5. Shame Spencer January 1st, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Rich – Good to see you around. I dunno what the chances are of the Mariners getting Giancarlo really are, but if they did do a deal you just know one of their catchers ends up in Miami lol.

    I’d love to get my hands on Giancarlo but if you determine Upton would be cheaper in terms of prospect costs I’d push harder for him. I also thought going after Gordon or Headley would be a better option than the other two for the same reason.

    Who would cost you the most: Giancarlo, Upton or Santana?

  6. blake January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    “Who would cost you the most: Giancarlo, Upton or Santana?”

    Giancarlo certainly the most…..not sure on Upton vs Santana….probably would just depend on the matchups

  7. blake January 1st, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Aside from Trout, Posey , and maybe Harper….Giancarlo probably would bring the best return of anybody in baseball

  8. blake January 1st, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    If Cashman could trade for Upton and then spin Granderson or Gardner for good value then that’s a move that could help now and going forward

  9. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Shame

    Thanks. The chances are probably low, unless the really overpay, but as I read G. Love’s posts, again if accurate, it definitely seemed like the suits are souring on Cashman, and it reminded me of how George took power away from him after he chose to trade for Vazquez over Schilling (it made sense at the time, but results matter). We could be seeing a repeat of that dynamic because of the Montero fiasco.

    I like Stanton.

  10. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Hey – look – more “propaganda” – this time from the NY Times – Yanks currently at 189 and change:

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....ref=sports

    For the purposes of Major League Baseball’s luxury tax accounting, which includes prorated signing bonuses, the figure was $223.3 million — their highest ever — and they owed $18.9 million in luxury tax. According to The Associated Press, the Yankees have paid $224.2 million in luxury tax over the last decade. And people wonder why Steinbrenner wants to avoid paying even more.

  11. mick January 1st, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    blake January 1st, 2013 at 11:57 am

    ===========================================
    Jeter will hit. Youk is not finished.
    The only RH bat lost was Swisher and Ichiro can hit leftys.
    Nunez will get plenty of AB’s.

    Swisher and Martin (and Arod) are pretty big loses vs LHP
    mick January 1st, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Martin? The same guy who was excoriated in here all of last year ? He didn’t even get credit for the great Sept. he had as too many would have had to eat crow.

    Martin!?!

    As far as Swisher, “the hero swinger,” all I can say is how quickly people forget.
    Ichiro is 10x the hitter he is and “situational” which was the biggest complaint last year.

  12. blake January 1st, 2013 at 12:27 pm

    In like Stanton too…..but I think a realistic package (if the Yanks even have enough) would be 4 of the top prospects plus at least one player off the big league roster with control.

    You’re talking Mason, Austin, Sanchez, plus probably Bamuelos and then either nova or Garnder

  13. Shame Spencer January 1st, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    blake – Thought the same myself. I absolutely love Giancarlo, but just don’t see the Yanks being able to offer the best package for him.

    Rich – The part about GLove’s posts that actually struck me the most was the discussion about Jeter’s next contract!! I thought it was pretty interesting that the FO thought Cash botched it and wouldn’t let him handle the next contract. I think Cash had a brief period of autonomy and then got his balls cut off. I don’t envy his position, but I also don’t think a lot of us are surprised that there’s been some conflict in the FO generally. We’ve talked about lack of a plan/consistency a lot and it all sort of led back to the notion that the higher powers weren’t/aren’t always seeing eye to eye.

  14. mick January 1st, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    this will be a make or break year for Montero.

    prospects become suspects really fast these days…

  15. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    There is nothing wrong with paying high taxes if they are part of the costs for making boatloads of money. It’s really not that complicated.

    They can become austere when they have the cost-controlled pieces that are ready to contribute at a high level.

  16. Shame Spencer January 1st, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    If Upton and Santana cost you roughly the same package, I’d lean towards Santana only based on the fact that we’d probably have to give up Sanchez. ….if they can find a way to swing Upton for like Williams/Heathcott, Nova/Phelps, and Nunez or Granderson or Robertson or a combo of the three, then oh my god please just do that.

  17. austinmac January 1st, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    That is a lot left to do in January. I don’t see anything like all that happening. I don’t think they will add a starter or another infielder. They better add a right handed bat who can play outfield.

  18. blake January 1st, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    “As far as Swisher, “the hero swinger,” all I can say is how quickly people forget.
    Ichiro is 10x the hitter he is and “situational” which was the biggest complaint last year.”

    Swisher was 2nd on the team in OPS and Martin his 21 homers…..and hit LhP pretty well. When you consider they currently have zero offense at catcher that’s a downgrade

  19. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    When does Hal give you guys a feast of friends?,….you certainly deserve it.

  20. Shame Spencer January 1st, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    mick January 1st, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    this will be a make or break year for Montero.

    —————-

    It will not be. The kid has no pressure on him at all. We’ve talked about Phil Hughes’ ‘make or break’ years for the past 3-4 seasons, haven’t we?

    If anything, it will be more of a make or break year for Romine lol..

  21. austinmac January 1st, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    The Yankees probably had a billion dollars more in income than any other team over the last decade. Hey can afford luxury tax. They choose not to.

  22. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    If it was me – I would start doing what they did with Adams with some of their other prospects -

    I would take some of my other 2b guys and try them out a 3b – like Gumbs – along with Tyler Austin – as mentioned – I am not too worried about that impacting Austin’s development b/c the kid appears to have a good makeup (kind of have to since he already survived a c@ncer scare) and he appears to be one of these guys who just hits – that way you have 3b experiments going on at 3b in 2013 at AAA (Adams), AA (Austin), high A (Gumbs), and low A (Bichette) and then Staten Island with (Andujar) – - – -

    I would not worry about RF corner – as you can take a possible similar approach with some of your other big hitting catchers that the Yanks did with Austin – i.e. turn an O’Brien and/or Bird and see how they perform in the OF – or even a Butler – - – -

    This of course does not solve the other pressing issue on the positional side with SS – - – - -

  23. Shame Spencer January 1st, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Swisher was 2nd on the team in OPS and Martin his 21 homers…..and hit LhP pretty well. When you consider they currently have zero offense at catcher that’s a downgrade

    ——————-

    I remember commenting mid and late last season that I wasn’t sure if I should be happy or sad that Swish was actually putting up some of the best offensive numbers on the team. Everyone really needs to put that in perspective. And it doesn’t mean we want Swish, or would have for that deal, but it’s an indictment on all of the other batters that are still playing for us. Swish shouldn’t have been the third strongest offensive force in our line up behind (of all people!) Jeter and Cano. Now you know you’re not getting much production from Alex for at least half the year, lost Swish, and have a gimpy Jeter.

    My heart is sad guys.

  24. austinmac January 1st, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Mick,

    Ichiro barely had a higher BA than Swisher with no walks and little power. Please explain based on something other than Ichiro’s ability ten years ago to explain how he is ten times the hitter.

  25. Shame Spencer January 1st, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    austinmac January 1st, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    That is a lot left to do in January. I don’t see anything like all that happening. I don’t think they will add a starter or another infielder. They better add a right handed bat who can play outfield.

    ——————-

    It’s okay mac.. I just checked my calendar and as it turns out we have approximately 6 more weeks until there is a game tomorrow. Let us hope that the faction of this blog that believes it is still early is right and that these next 6 weeks change our outlook on the club.

  26. Shame Spencer January 1st, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    I love Ichiro, and I’m glad he’s back.. I would just like our OF better if it was Gardner, Grandy, Ichiro and Beltran/Cespedes.

  27. austinmac January 1st, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Shame,

    Darn it. I was going to look on line to get tickets to tomorrow’s game.

  28. mick January 1st, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Mac

    I think numbers can lie. I don’t think Swisher is 1/2 the ballplayer Ichiro is. Swisher had his run here. If we are depending on him to put us over the top, we are in trouble. Swisher hit in streaks and compiled numbers and wilted in the clutch. Ichiro will be a consistant 300 hitter and might surprise you with some pop.

  29. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    “Hey – look – more “propaganda” – this time from the NY Times –”

    ” Yanks currently at 189 and change: Yankees have paid $224.2 million in luxury tax over the last decade. And people wonder why Steinbrenner wants to avoid paying even more.”

    That’s exactly what it is Stone, so good find on your part. If it had been a really good, informative article it would have at least given an estimate as to how much money the Steinsbrenner’s earned in that time. Especially vs a team that pays no luxury tax.

  30. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Tar January 1st, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    “Hey – look – more “propaganda” – this time from the NY Times –”

    ” Yanks currently at 189 and change: Yankees have paid $224.2 million in luxury tax over the last decade. And people wonder why Steinbrenner wants to avoid paying even more.”

    That’s exactly what it is Stone, so good find on your part. If it had been a really good, informative article it would have at least given an estimate as to how much money the Steinsbrenner’s earned in that time. Especially vs a team that pays no luxury tax.

    ******

    I did it for you, Tar – everything I do, I do it for you – - – -

  31. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Stone, isn’t that a Bryan Adams Robin Hood song? ( Nice you feel that way about Tar BTW :) )

  32. mick January 1st, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    Any chance the Yanks take a flyer on Brian Wilson?

  33. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    jmills January 1st, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Stone, isn’t that a Bryan Adams Robin Hood song? ( Nice you feel that way about Tar BTW )

    ******

    Robin Hood Price of Thieves – mind you – and yes – it is Canadian Bryan Adams – - – -

    That is one of my New Years resolutions – try to be nice to Tar once a day (can check that one off – 364 more to go) – - – -

  34. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Stone,…haha! My preference is for the American product, Ryan Adams.

  35. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    The part about GLove’s posts that actually struck me the most was the discussion about Jeter’s next contract!! I thought it was pretty interesting that the FO thought Cash botched it and wouldn’t let him handle the next contract. I think Cash had a brief period of autonomy and then got his balls cut off. I don’t envy his position, but I also don’t think a lot of us are surprised that there’s been some conflict in the FO generally. We’ve talked about lack of a plan/consistency a lot and it all sort of led back to the notion that the higher powers weren’t/aren’t always seeing eye to eye.
    __

    Shame,

    Needless to say, that I think Cashman’s sell-by date has expired, but to be fair, they are also scapegoating Cashman.

    I think it’s reasonable to believe that it was Levine/Hal that set the contractual framework for the deal, and if they thought that Cashman was botching the negotiations with their most iconic player since Mantle, it was up to them to set things right as soon as they thought he had erred.

    But yeah, to me it seems increasingly apparent that Levine is taking a bigger role in the day-to-day operation of the team, which is one of the few outcomes that is worse that Cashman making the decisions.

  36. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Jeter should retire a Yank, No Doubt, Gwen. They should all make it work and make you people happy.

  37. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Rich

    Nice to see you, don’t be such a stranger. Can I ask which GLove post you are referring to? His posts have been spot on, required reading for me.

    Which reminds me of Murphydog and his Sunday morning Loopy rants. Those were fun :D

  38. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Tar

    Thank you.

    There were a couple in which he talked about (iirc) sitting in a gym (or some place like that) where this guy who works for them was bragging about his Yankee connections, and he, for example, mentioned that Cashman had told his bosses that Romine would be ready this season, so whether or not that appears to be the case right now, they are holding him to that assertion, and they expect that his in-house development plan is ready to bear fruit now, even though again, that doesn’t appear to be the case.

  39. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Just spoke to my best friend, we agreed,…we just have to try and navigate all this b.s. with a smile.

  40. mick January 1st, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    their most iconic player since Mantle,
    ===========================
    here we go again…

  41. Shame Spencer January 1st, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    But yeah, to me it seems increasingly apparent that Levine is taking a bigger role in the day-to-day operation of the team, which is one of the few outcomes that is worse that Cashman making the decisions.

    ——————

    I thought it was really interesting that Levine was rumored to be pushing for Giancarlo immediately after the Marlins had their fire-sale. I never wanted Levine to do anything other than stand in a corner but if he’s going to be the force behind a major move that upgrades the team for 2013 and beyond then I have to be behind him. Personally? I think Levine will try to swing a trade to completely gut the farm and, by extension, Cashman lol. Levine is probably sitting in his evil genius lair right now, trying to figure out where he can move Phil Hughes, just to break Cash’s heart lol.

  42. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    “their most iconic player since Mantle,
    ===========================
    here we go again…”

    OK I’ll bite, who is their most Iconic player since Mantle?

  43. smartchoices January 1st, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Why can’t Nunez DH? He can hit and more importantly he is cheap and that’s the goal here. And A Rod coming back strong this time is no guarantee.

    As for Cano, how about 15/$450MM because, by God, he is worth it. Representing all that is great in a true Yankee – running out ground balls, selfless diving for catches, and most impressively stepping up to lead his team when the Captain went down. He even has a Picture of Dorian Gray in his attic that ages so he doesn’t have to. Face of the Yankee franchise he will be. In fact, should Jeter not take his option, let’s just strip the C from him before the door closes so Cano can plaster it all over the front of his jersey.

    Sorry for the snark. I love Cano, but it’s just a reaction to some of the Hal apologists and irrational Cano contracts over on the RAB message board.

  44. UnKnown January 1st, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    “OK I’ll bite, who is their most Iconic player since Mantle?”

    Tar – Mick is just doing what Mick does and that is to try and get people going. Dude posts things all the time just to get a rise from some. It’s all really transparent. If this turns into an actually discussion by the end of the thread he will be on the other side arguing why Jeter is in fact the most iconic since Mantle.

    He does this all the time on here and people continually fall for it while he sits back and laughs his tail off.

  45. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    “Why can’t Nunez DH?”

    I don’t know, maybe he’s not big or hairy enough?

    Really though losing the speed aspect to their line-up so early last year was a bummer. I was looking forward to watching GGBG and Nunie run rampant all year. But the real bummer was not realizing how much they needed his speed during the post-season.

    I’m still pissed the started Nix over Nunez.

  46. smartchoices January 1st, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    But they did get Ichiro and that was fun to watch. We did see a little more small ball after that. We’ll at least have that to look forward to.

  47. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    smartchoices

    Yeah you’re right it was fun to watch Ichiro. I had high hopes for that other dimension, and early results were positive. But that train derailed really quickly.

    UnKnown

    I’m trying to turn over a new leaf and not continue my long lasting feud with Mr. Mick, so no comment.

    Speaking of which, being that its a new year and a fresh start maybe you want to join me in my attempt. :wink:

    Gotta run catch everybody later.

  48. tomingeorgia January 1st, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    New leaves at lohud? Not a chance, as personae are set in stone. I hope this new year is healthy, prosperous and argumentative for us all, and ends with 28 on the shelf.

  49. ac1 January 1st, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    I believe the Yankees do NOT need a power hitter DH. Focus on keeping a lineup moving.

    Here is my 25 man suggestion: Including a trade for Alfonso Soriano (if they can get it for 5-7 mil/year)

    1.Tex 1b
    2.cano 2b
    3.jeter ss
    4.youk 3b (back up 1B)
    5.romine/cervelli c
    6.Granderson lf
    7.gardner cf
    8.ichiro rf
    9.Soriano dh vs. right and lf vs. left
    10.Nix (back up 3b and 2B)
    11.Nunez (dh vs. left), back up SS (jeter will need days off)
    12. BUC (Stewart) – I would sign Molina to back up
    13. Diaz (back up OF)

    Pitchers: CC, Kuroda, Hughes, Pettitte, Nova (Phelps)
    Relief: Rivera, Robertson, Logan, Joba, Cabral (or Rapada), Aardsma, Phelps/Warren/Long reliver)

  50. tucker January 1st, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    To be fair on the Jeter negotiations, it was Hal Steinbrenner who initially spoke on Sirius/XM MLB radio about the Yanks’ tough stance on the contract extension. Hal set the tone, Cashman followed his marching orders.

    Now, Cashman did not handle his public comments about the Jeter contract talks all that well. I understand the Yanks need to take a harder salary stance on a player like Jeter. However, a more artful approach from the Yanks was needed. IMO, they swung and miss in the court of public opinion — even if the contract was a fair one for both parties.

  51. ac1 January 1st, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Include in my suggestion above that Granderson will not sit on days Soriano plays the field, but ill leave Girardi to manage the lineup….

  52. ac1 January 1st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Soriano would be the bat that makes having Romine or Cervelli in the lineup ok.
    Put him in there and surround him with Cano, tex and Granderson. Youk would be batting 7th or so…..

  53. blake January 1st, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    “Soriano would be the bat that makes having Romine or Cervelli in the lineup ok.”

    Unless 2010 Soriano with his .289 OBP showed back up……

  54. UnKnown January 1st, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Tar – Nah, I’m good. Thanks though.

    Tom is right, no one else is going to change their stance on how they interact with anyone on here so I’m holding my line as well. I don’t even have to look at the names anymore when I read a post and I could tell you who wrote it.

    I just flip a few posts on here every couple of days so I’m not at all concerned about doing a massive 2013 Lohud make over. Life is GREAT! I enjoy sitting back and watching the circus that is Lohud from afar much more then I do interacting with the clowns.

    That reminds me I have lots to do today. I have to go out and stock up on popcorn and those orange colored circus peanuts. The 2013 season will definitely be a wild ride.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

  55. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    via Buster at ESPN:

    Somebody’s going to be traded, but whether that’s Jason Kubel or Justin Upton, Arizona should have a deep and diverse outfield, a group that includes left-handed and right-handed hitters, good defenders, speed and power. Cody Ross wrecks left-handed pitchers, Gerardo Parra is one of the sport’s better outfielders, and in a small sample of 102 plate appearances in September, Adam Eaton showed an ability to get on base.

    Something worth remembering: If Kubel is dealt and Upton returns, Upton will be in the vortex of a lot of attention — about his relationship with the team, about the quality of his at-bats, especially on the road. Upton posted a .670 OPS while hitting away from home last season. He is seeing fewer and fewer four-seam fastballs, according to FanGraphs data:

    2009: 50.0 percent of pitches
    2010: 38.7 percent of pitches
    2011: 33.5 percent of pitches
    2012: 30.9 percent of pitches

  56. blake January 1st, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    The ball doesn’t break as much in Arizona because if the dry climate….so when players get used to hitting there it makes it harder for them to hit Offspeed speed on the road.

    Same thing happened with Holliday….after he got out of Colorado and adjusted he started hitting everywhere

  57. blake January 1st, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    I really hope cash is talking to his buddy KT

  58. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    “The ball doesn’t break as much in Arizona because if the dry climate….so when players get used to hitting there it makes it harder for them to hit Offspeed speed on the road.”

    Not sure I buy that. I agree that dry climate effects the way a pitch breaks, but the “get used to hitting there, so it makes it harder to hit offspeed on the road” part is speculative on your part.

    Which is fine to speculate, I just think it’s way down on the list of reasons why he hits worse on the road. But it is another point to drive the price down. :evil:

  59. mick January 1st, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    OK I’ll bite, who is their most Iconic player since Mantle?
    =====================================
    Tar…thanks for the sentiments, I agree.

    Unknown…of course it is Jeter, no question.

    I always thought discussion, you call it argument, was essential to a blog but what do I know, I must be one of the clowns you condescendingly referred to.

    My point was that Montero, and ANY Yankee icon, should not be mentioned by so called intelligent posters in the same sentence.

    I thought we’d already learned that lesson…

  60. mick January 1st, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    I think it’s reasonable to believe that it was Levine/Hal that set the contractual framework for the deal, and if they thought that Cashman was botching the negotiations with their most iconic player since Mantle, it was up to them to set things right as soon as they thought he had erred.
    =======================================================
    Just wanted to put this into context for those who don’t read the posts.
    Looks like mine was taken out of context.

  61. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    “My point was that Montero, and ANY Yankee icon, should not be mentioned by so called intelligent posters in the same sentence.”

    I think you should go back and read Rich’s post. Unless I’m missing something, there was no reference to Montero at all. Maybe your just jumping at shadows.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB6zg05CxYg

  62. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Mick the deal was Jeter’s deal, not the Montero trade.

  63. blake January 1st, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    “Not sure I buy that. I agree that dry climate effects the way a pitch breaks, but the “get used to hitting there, so it makes it harder to hit offspeed on the road” part is speculative on your part.”

    It is speculative….but think if you play half your games in an environment where the ball breaks less….and then you’re constantly having to adjust every time you go on the road to account for more break then it could be tough….

    It’s probably only 1 factor….some guys just hit better at home (especially young players who tend to go out more etc on the road).

  64. mick January 1st, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    My bad and apologies to Rich, as Tar is correct, and he was referring to the Jeter negotiations.

    As far as Unknown, not sure yet if he is owed one…

  65. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    Tar, Mick, blake, George Bell could hit anything out of the park :)

  66. mick January 1st, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    once caught a long high fly ball by Belle watching BP in ST.

  67. Jerkface January 1st, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    That NY Times article is another font of misinformation. Mentions the Yankees current payroll is 189, which is true for physical monies, but not true for the luxury tax limit #. Says Jeter’s option is 3 million (lol wut?). Doesn’t include 10 mil in player benefits. Pulls a 50 million dollar savings figure out of his butt.

    I expect better from the times.

  68. tucker January 1st, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    “The ball doesn’t break as much in Arizona because if the dry climate….so when players get used to hitting there it makes it harder for them to hit Offspeed speed on the road.”

    No wonder the backspin pitch in my softball league constantly gets crushed.

  69. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Mick,….Belle is not the same as George effing Bell!

  70. mick January 1st, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    oh right…george or jorge bell vs albert joey belle

  71. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Albert Belle,..how could we all forget,…

  72. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Mick, I don’t care if I spell the name wrong,….George Bell rules!

  73. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    You Yankee fans better watch out, I’ve got Jimmy Key at my side :)

  74. mick January 1st, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    albert had HOF #’s

  75. tucker January 1st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    That NY Times article is another font of misinformation. Mentions the Yankees current payroll is 189, which is true for physical monies, but not true for the luxury tax limit #. Says Jeter’s option is 3 million (lol wut?). Doesn’t include 10 mil in player benefits. Pulls a 50 million dollar savings figure out of his butt.

    I expect better from the times.”

    Sounds like a good LoHud guest column topic to tackle.

  76. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Says Jeter’s option is 3 million (lol wut?)

    ******

    Yup – it is a 3 million buyout:

    3 years/$51M (2011-13), plus 2014 player option
    re-signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/6/10
    11:$15M, 12:$16M, 13:$17M, 14:$8M player option ($3M buyout)
    $2M annually deferred without interest, payable each 3/15, 2015-17 (present-day AAV about $16M)
    2014 option may increase to $17M based on awards earned in 2011-13: $4M for AL MVP; $2M for 2nd-6th in MVP vote; $1.5M for Silver Slugger; $0.5M each for Gold Glove, ALCS MVP, WS MVP
    if 2014 option is exercised at less than $17M, Jeter may earn same bonuses in 2014, up to $17M

    Now i expect better from you – - – -

  77. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    “I expect better from the times.”

    I mentioned PR or propaganda the other day because literally that was the first thing I thought of after reading the ESPN article that Stone linked. I wasn’t thinking of any kind of conspiracy or anything.

    But I am starting to wonder about the motivation of all these pro- Steinbrenner misleading articles. Still not saying there is a grand scheme at work, but …. it would be naive to think that certain persons in the Yankee FO are not working every angle which includes the press.

  78. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Mick, Jorge Bell helped put my Jays on the map.

  79. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    rebate 10 million savings

    reduction of payroll from 223 to 189 = 34 million savings

    saved on paying 50% above 189 based on usual 223 payroll: 17 million

    Let’s go to the math – savings of 61 million – - – -when comparing 223 hypo payroll (the 2012 number) to the 189 2014 limit – - – -

  80. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    JF I’m sure will scold you, but surely you know the difference between an option and a buyout?

  81. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Ahhhh c%$^ i did not realize it was jerkface I was responding to – i just broke one of my resolutions – ahhhh – back to the drawing board – - – -ignore my previous my posts – - – -

    Anyway – back to my original mantra for the day – Mason Williams over Heathcott and transition Austin and Gumbs to 3b and see what happens – - – -

  82. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    I should have added I expect better from you Stone.

    :evil:

  83. mick January 1st, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    it would be naive to think that certain persons in the Yankee FO are not working every angle which includes the press.
    ===================
    tar…what would their goal be in doing so?

  84. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Tar January 1st, 2013 at 4:18 pm
    I should have added I expect better from you Stone.

    ******

    You should never expect anything from me – - – -

  85. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Stone

    Too late.. and you were already nice to me once today so have had it. :D

    Mick

    You don’t think it’s to the Yankees advantage to sucker people into thinking that they are poor? Or at the least deflect attention from how much money they actually make?

  86. Jerkface January 1st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    I expect only crazy from you, and I got it! 2 posts defending an obviously incorrect ny times article! And both your posts are wrong! great!

  87. mick January 1st, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    jmills…joe carter or geo bell?

  88. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Tar, what the hell are you talking about? :)

  89. Jerkface January 1st, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    And lol at expecting better from me as some kind of come back to me expecting better from the times. The times is a million dollar publication read by presumably hundreds of people. In a basic blog post trying to detail the Yankees 189 limit & what not, it should present factual information.

  90. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “You should never expect anything from me – – – ”

    I expect you to know the difference between and option and buyout. I would think a writer from the NY Times should know that as well, don’t you?

  91. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    Mick, Jorge Bell over Joe.

  92. mick January 1st, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    You don’t think it’s to the Yankees advantage to sucker people into thinking that they are poor? Or at the least deflect attention from how much money they actually make?
    ======================================
    tar….if they are then they are the dumb or naive ones. most know they are cash cows.

    thanks for that peter green video, interesting stuff, fleetwood mac before the more popular version

  93. mick January 1st, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    carter put you over the top…

  94. Jerkface January 1st, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    I’m assuming that guy went to baseball reference salary page to source his article, as it lists Jeter as 3$ mil in 2014.

  95. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    “Tar, what the hell are you talking about?”

    JMills you know I love you, but do you realize how many times i’ve said the same thing about your posts? :D I think you should come with your own interpretation button.

    mick

    Yeah I thought you might like it.

  96. jpb173 January 1st, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    With the last of the Yankee dynasty all getting older (Rivera, Jeter and Pettitte) its probably a good thing that the owners are limiting the 2014 payroll to $189 million. They have spent big bucks over the last 10-12 years (biggest payroll in MLB…by a large margin) and have only gotten 1 world championship out of it. They have reached the point of diminishing returns on money spent over $189 M.

    It would make sense to start building the next dynasty from the minor leagues so that a new core will be around for a long time. Unfortunately, we are looking at 3-4 years of mediocre baseball, but thats what happens when you commit to youth. I lived through the 1965-1975 (Horace Clark era) years and the 1985-1995 years. I don’t believe that the Yankees will take that long to retool and am sure that the owners will invest in quality free agents when a new core comes online.

    In the meantime it will be fun to watch other owners be forced to ‘pay the bills’ for Major League baseball. The Yankees have been ‘paying the bills’ for close to 15 years.

  97. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Mick, I know, but I’ve got a soft spot for Bell.

  98. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Tar,…we’re all comfortablby crazy! :)

  99. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    ” Comfortably ” – crap!

  100. blake January 1st, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    I really don’t understand why all these outlets are misreporting the actual situation with the Yanks payroll…. Either they are too lazy to get the story accurate….or they are being nudged by the Yankees to spin the numbers to favor them

  101. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Blake, you are a catcher of 15 years and a S.S. to Boots Day, who snows what is going on?

  102. smartchoices January 1st, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Jpb – I guess it is expecting too much that they plan to overlap the time between one core’s dominance and the next such that there aren’t these gaps. And really too much that they defer austerity until after such gaps. I think I’d rather the Yankees win and pay the MLB player benefits and the development costs, than lose and pay nothing – not that a threshold-exceeding payroll guarantees winning.

    Just playing devil’s advocate here because there weren’t many FAs this offseason I regret not getting. I actually think LAA is going to regret Hamilton before long. And I’m ALL for using their money to build a superior farm and bring some young, athletic players up if that’s what ownership is really doing.

  103. blake January 1st, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    ” I actually think LAA is going to regret Hamilton before long”

    Id say if he gets them a title in the next 5 years they’ll say it was worth it

  104. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    ” I should come with interpretation button. ”

    Tar, if I’m that bad, all of you should tell me to dissipate! :)

  105. jmills January 1st, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    ” I should come with my own interpretation button. ” – will get it better next time, Tom Sawyer! :)

  106. mick January 1st, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    NEXT…

  107. smartchoices January 1st, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Does he make it 5 years? Relapses happen in a split second. Not dependable enough to convince me, but I’ll publicly concede if it turns out as you say.

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