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The Red Sox and Bobby Abreu

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 01, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here’s what we know based on reports out of Boston: The Red Sox sent a scouts to Venezeula to watch Bobby Abreu work out. As part of the drills, he did some work at first base. The trip has been dismissed as “background work” and there seems to be little sense that the Red Sox are aggressively pursuing Abreu.

Why does that matter? The short answer is, it probably doesn’t, but there are two points of interest for the Yankees.

The first is obvious: Abreu used to play for the Yankees, the Red Sox are their division rivals, and that combination sparks some natural curiosity.

The second point of interest is that the Yankees still have an opening at designated hitter, had some interest in Raul Ibanez (another veteran left-handed hitter) for the position, and are looking for cheap, short-term contracts, which almost certainly fits Abreu’s market.

Does any of that mean the Yankees might also have some interest? Probably not. Abreu’s been pretty bad the past few years, but it’s interesting that he’s working out and other teams are at least giving him a look. Abreu’s production has dipped considerably, especially his power, but he still gets on base a decent amount and has had success at Yankee Stadium.

Minor league deal to give him a shot? I guess that couldn’t hurt, but at this point Abreu’s upside seems pretty limited and his downside seems far more likely. He’s a familiar name who — in theory — could fill a role, but his recent body of work suggests such a theory will never actually progress to being a reality.

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121 Responses to “The Red Sox and Bobby Abreu”

  1. Nick in SF January 1st, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    re-kudos for Tar:

    Happy New Year!

    I agree with Tar: let’s let bygones be bygones and give Cashman and the Yanks a break for their perceived mistakes of 2012 (some of which may not have been mistakes in the first place). A very noble idea, Tar. Kudos to you.

  2. mick January 1st, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    I agree with Tar: let’s let bygones be bygones
    ===========================
    Does that mean you have stopped ignoring me?

  3. tomingeorgia January 1st, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Mister mick,
    “obtuse” is an angle greater than 90 degrees, but less than 180 degrees, which means that the target was missed way to the east of the proper aiming point.

  4. mick January 1st, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    guess that answers my question…

  5. Nick in SF January 1st, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Ignoring you would be one way to let bygones be bygones.

  6. mick January 1st, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    mr tom

    to reduce that angle would
    produce clarity
    which is all i ask…

  7. Joe from Long Island January 1st, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    Nick- just checking chad’s post before having a scotch – single malt, of course- with the mrs., and saw you on board.

    Hope you’ve had a good New Year’s Day. We spent time with family the past week. Saw Lincoln today, and had a nice French lunch. Hope you’ve had a good one, too.

    Have a healthy and safe 2013.

  8. mick January 1st, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    Ignoring you would be one way to let bygones be bygones.
    ======================
    bizarro logic…but whatever works for you.

  9. Nick in SF January 1st, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Same to you Joe. It’s been a good day of football with more to come.

    I gave my brother-in-law (who funds my sister’s generosity) a bottle of Caol Ila for Christmas, which he greatly appreciated.

  10. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Nick

    Cashman and company used up their allotment of bygones last year. Trying to dip into the Bygone forgiveness well once too many times is frowned upon. tsk tsk Nick for even suggesting and putting my name to it.

    Mr. Mick what question? I thought I answered all obtuse questions in the last thread.

  11. Nick in SF January 1st, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Oh, I misunderstood. No forgiveness for the people that run the Yankees after all. Still angry. Oops. :oops:

  12. mick January 1st, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    tar…my obtuse question came at the 5:04 mark of the prior thread.

  13. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Mick

    My obtuse answer came at the 6:27 mark.

    “Oh, I misunderstood. No forgiveness for the people that run the Yankees after all. Still angry. Oops.”

    Nick

    I’m starting to wonder about you. Maybe you’re a Cashman (cough stooge cough) supporter. But try not to dismiss those of us that see plenty of room for improvement, perceived or otherwise as being simply “angry”.

  14. Nick in SF January 1st, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    “I’m starting to wonder about you.”

    Are you just letting 2012 bygones be bygones but not new 2013 bygones? ;)

  15. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Nick

    In your case, you have a lifetime supply of bygones.

    Unless I’m “cranky”. :D

  16. Nick in SF January 1st, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    A lot of people do get a little crank the day after nights of revelry, so that wouldn’t be a shock.

    It’s funny how there’s been an attempt to turn the phrase “Cashman supporter” into some kind of pejorative. I would say I’m more of a Cashman agnostic than outright supporter, but that’s more in real terms and not in the terms of the hothouse emotions of the LoHud.

  17. Jerkface January 1st, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Price gets some amount over 10 million to avoid arbitration. Pretty good for him. He still has 2 more arb years left because he is a super 2.

  18. mick January 1st, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    Tar…got your non-answer.

  19. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    “I would say I’m more of a Cashman agnostic than outright supporter”

    Maybe so, but trying to find a line I do think you tend to tweek those who may not be considered supporters at a much higher rate than those who do support Cashman.

    Maybe its the Randy effect, guilt by association.

  20. Tar January 1st, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Mick

    Best I could do. Some things are best left alone, don’t you think?

  21. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 1st, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    If I may – There’s an angle that does not seem to be given any kind of play at all, and that’s the angle that Brian Cashman was operating in some kind of creative tundra last off season. Even though he’s GM of the greatest franchise in the history of organized sports, he’s also human. He was in the middle of some kind of tawdry maelstrom, the accusations that flowed from which would cause the most well-equilibrated individual to run for cover and not want to return. And his drama was played out in the court of public opinion. I give him credit for doing as well as he did, really.

    So how about easing up a bit and applying the same kind of understanding and forgiveness that you (generic) would hope for under the same circumstances? I say we “let bygones be bygones and give Cashman and the Yanks a break for their perceived mistakes of 2012.” I suggest gathering up all the stones and calling it a new day!

    Every dawn is a new beginning. The dawn of 2013 is not to be excepted. And when you think about it, winning the AL East really isn’t so bad, is it?

    :D

    Happy New Year, gang!

  22. Nick in SF January 1st, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    randy is guilty; agreed.

  23. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Jon Daniels and company are salivating at the bit to bid on Price – Onley might be right – Price might be gone from Tampa in another year – - – -

  24. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Hey Bobby Abreu – one of Cashman’s better trades and an in-season one – - – -

  25. mick January 1st, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Best I could do. Some things are best left alone, don’t you think?
    ================================
    some. but i think you got the wcyf thing wrong unless i missed something.
    never paid much attention to him so i dont know why he was considered so bad.

  26. blake January 1st, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    My guess is the Rays take a shot this year with Price and allow Moore to get another year under his belt…..and then they’ll shop him next winter for a major haul

  27. mick January 1st, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    I suggest gathering up all the stones and calling it a new day!
    ========================================
    I can call Mick and Keith, if you can get Charlie and Ronnie.

  28. Bronx Jeers January 1st, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    The clandestine cohorts of Cashman?

  29. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    I am hoping the prospect huggers in the Rangers front office are thinking they should hold on to their assets and make a play for Price and not go full out right now for an Upton or Stanton b/c they have Profar to add to their lineup in 2013 – and instead just go for another type of bat – whether it be Kubel (though I am not sure Arizona would deal Upton if Kubel is dealt) or something similar – actually I am kind of hoping that Ethier would wind up in Arlington instead of the Mariners – that way it would get the Rangers off of Arizona – - – -

  30. blake January 1st, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Would the Dodgers really eat a big chunk of ethiers contract to trade him and then sign Bourn? Man if they did that then it’s a sure sign that money is really no object for them…..

  31. blake January 1st, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    If Im the Rangers and I could trade Profar and Olt for Stanton then I probably would…..love Profar and think he is gonna be a star….but they have Andrus and Stanton already is a star….and one that could seriously average 45-50 homers for the next 10 years in that stadium.

  32. Nick in SF January 1st, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    “The clandestine cohorts of Cashman?”

    Indeed; this Cashman crew has crashed our club with casual cravenness. Curses! :mad:

  33. rm January 1st, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Happy New Year to all at Lohud. I enjoy reading all of your posts. I’m sorry I don’t usually find much time to post.

  34. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Hey, Amar’e is back – - – -

  35. mick January 1st, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    amare should be traded…

  36. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Via RAB – some we have heard of – others I have not heard of before:

    SS Abi Avelino — Signed for $175k in 2011, the 17-year-old Avelino was touted as a defensive whiz at the time of the deal. He hit .313/.409/.402 (139 wRC+) with 19 steals (in 21 attempts) this summer, creating some optimism about his offensive potential.

    RHP Cris Cabrera — The Yankees signed the 20-year-old right-hander for $400k back in 2009, but his development has been derailed by Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. Cabrera was healthy this year and pitched to a 2.84 ERA (4.02 FIP) in 57 innings. He’s a low-to-mid-90s fastball guy when right.

    RHP Rafael DePaula — If you’ve been reading RAB long enough, then you probably already know DePaula was the team’s best prospect in the DSL this summer. It wasn’t particularly close either. Here’s his Prospect Profile.

    RHP Dallas Martinez — Martinez, 19, draws comparisons to Manny Banuelos because he’s an undersized pitcher from Mexico. The right-hander received a six-figure bonus in 2011 and pitched to a 2.19 ERA (3.14 FIP) in 65.2 innings this summer. He’s a three-pitch guy with polish but not a ton of upside.

    OF Wilmer Romero — Signed for $656.5k in 2010, Romero hit .292/.347/.500 (139 wRC+) with six homers this summer after a disappointing 2011 effort (94 wRC+). The 19-year-old has filled out and slowed down a bit, so the tools package isn’t as impressive as it was a few years ago.
    RHP Luis Severino — The Yankees signed the 18-year-old Severino for $225k in 2011 and he posted a 1.68 ERA (3.14 FIP) in 64.1 innings this year. His fastball sits in the 91-96 range and his slider is on the path to becoming an out pitch.

    IF Chris Tamarez — A shortstop when the Yankees signed him for $650k back in 2010, the 19-year-old Tamarez has since moved over to third. He hit .333/.390/.487 (149 wRC+) with five homers this summer, but there’s concern about his propensity for the swing-and-miss despite modest power potential.

    There’s a very good chance C Luis Torrens, who signed for $1.3M this July, will skip right over the DSL and play in the GCL next year. The team’s two other big money 2012 international signings, OF Alex Palma and SS Yancarlo Baez, are less likely to come stateside right away. 3B Miguel Andujar was New York’s top international signing in 2011 and he jumped right to the GCL this year.

  37. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Via Jim Bowden – Yanks make the biggest risks of the offseason:

    New York Yankees
    The risk: Senior citizen strategy

    The Yankees are obsessed with keeping their payroll under $189 million in 2014, and rightfully so based on luxury-tax and revenue-sharing issues. But that doesn’t explain why they’ve let guys like Russell Martin and Nick Swisher go out and sign reasonable deals elsewhere while signing Ichiro Suzuki and Kevin Youkilis, players who are way past their primes. (Also, they still don’t have a starting catcher.)

    We get why the Yankees aren’t spending big dollars, but instead of signing old free agents they should be making trades to get younger. Their farm system isn’t great, but they have some very exciting prospects — like outfielder Mason Williams — at the lower levels whom they can deal. And since the Yankees lead the game in revenues, why not go to Scott Boras and offer ridiculous one-year “pillow” deals to Michael Bourn and Kyle Lohse and let them go back on the market next fall after winning with the Yankees? This could be the last year of Mariano Rivera and Andy Pettitte, so don’t they deserve better than this Senior Citizen Strategy?

    Branch Rickey once said that this was a young man’s game, and the Yankees are trying to prove the opposite. A dicey proposition at best.

  38. blake January 1st, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Id approve of one year deals for both Bourn and Lohse if they could trade Granderson and a starter for value for the future…..

  39. blake January 1st, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Bourn + prospects for Granderson > Granderson alone if Bourn will do a one year deal

  40. pkyankfan69 January 1st, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    mick January 1st, 2013 at 8:47 pm
    amare should be traded…
    ———————————-
    Good luck trying to move his contract… I still think they will find a role where he is valuable to the team if he stays healthy.

  41. mick January 1st, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    Good luck trying to move his contract… I still think they will find a role where he is valuable to the team if he stays healthy.
    ==============
    what role is that? he can’t do anything but dunk…

  42. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    Id approve of one year deals for both Bourn and Lohse if they could trade Granderson and a starter for value for the future…..

    *********

    Would you be opposed if it was Gardner?

    For me – is what the Yanks would get back in any Gardner/Granderson trade greater than losing the 1st round pick and any potential money for the draft pool for that draft for signing Bourn?

  43. Ys Guy January 1st, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    jr smith is dynamic and acrobatic!

  44. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    There is a close one at MSG – - – -

  45. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Melo great in his return – Amar’e, not so much – - – -

  46. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Beverly Hills Cop is on – for anyone that remembers the 80s – here’s looking at you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBHPtQ0r-8

  47. Ys Guy January 1st, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    melo had the chance to tie it up but missed….. :(

  48. MTU January 1st, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    SB-

    That was a fantastic article by Bowden.

    Thank you for posting it.

  49. blake January 1st, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    “Would you be opposed if it was Gardner?”

    Depends on the deal

  50. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Same would go with Granderson and his deal – you are evaluating the prospects/players in return and the one year of Bourn and the potential supplemental pick in the 2014 draft and increase in draft pool (but would Boras insist on contract language that the Yanks cannot QO Bourn) vs. Granderson production in 2013 and supplemental draft pick and increase in draft pool in 2014 in a potential better amateur draft

  51. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    MTU January 1st, 2013 at 10:11 pm
    SB-

    That was a fantastic article by Bowden.

    Thank you for posting it.

    *****

    Hey, some articles I post please the lohud* – other articles make the lohud bring up the nazis – - – -

    * by the lohud, the poster of this post means certain commenters on this blog and not the newspaper or blog authors – - – -

  52. MTU January 1st, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Particularly this part :

    “We get why the Yankees aren’t spending big dollars, but instead of signing old free agents they should be making trades to get younger. Their farm system isn’t great, but they have some very exciting prospects — like outfielder Mason Williams — at the lower levels whom they can deal.”

    ;)

  53. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    But I like Mason – - – -

  54. MTU January 1st, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Have a good night.

    3rd hike in a row tomorrow.

    Got to start the New Year right.

    ;)

  55. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    Have a good night.

    3rd hike in a row tomorrow.

    Got to start the New Year right.

    *****

    I did two today – but not as far as your journeys probably – - – -

  56. MTU January 1st, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    SB-

    Doesn’t have to be Williams.

    It’s the concept. Could be Heathcott, Austin, or Flores.

    ;)

  57. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....14512.html

    Current 2013 draft order via BA – - – - -

  58. David in Cal January 1st, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    It looks like we’re all caught up in a political battle:

    “The Lower Hudson Journal News, a Gannett newspaper, caused controversy when it published a map of names and addresses of gun permit holders, and announced that it planned to do so again. The plan for further publication may be in doubt as a neighboring county just announced it was denying the Journal News access to its gun permit database….

    “This privacy war has just escalated dramatically, as a group of self-described ”2nd Amendment supporters” claims it has downloaded and posted on the web what it describes as the “user” database of the Journal News.”

    I would guess that the registered users of this blog are in the LoHud “user data base.” If so, our e-mails have now been publicly posted on the web somewhere, and perhaps including whatever other information we provided when we registered.

    See: http://legalinsurrection.com/2.....ermit-map/

  59. pkyankfan69 January 1st, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    mick January 1st, 2013 at 9:41 pm
    Good luck trying to move his contract… I still think they will find a role where he is valuable to the team if he stays healthy.
    ==============
    what role is that? he can’t do anything but dunk…
    —————————-
    Have you ever watched him play?.. Amare has always had a good mid-range game for a big man also… Amare will add much needed scoring to the second unit if he stays healthy… He will especially be dynamic in the pick and role when he is on the floor in place of Chandler, he showed glimpses of this tonight working with Prigioni… The guy averaged 17 and 8 just last year, saying we should trade him (which is IMPOSSIBLE anyway because he is no longer a max contract type player) in the middle of his first game back when he is understandably rusty, is just silly… All of that said, Amare will have to work hard and put emphasis on his defense/rebounding to earn more minutes. Woodson knows what he is doing, Amare won’t won’t play big minutes if his defense is poor.

  60. blake January 1st, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    @jonmorosi: And, yes, the Mariners and Marlins have discussed the possibility of a Giancarlo Stanton trade. My story on that: http://t.co/6Fx5RkqK

  61. The Return of Stoneburner January 1st, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    Seattle does have a stable of pitching – - – -

  62. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 11:03 pm

    The Yankees thought they had a stable of pitching, now, not so much.

    Trading a position player like Stanton for young pitching is dumb.

  63. blake January 1st, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    “Trading a position player like Stanton for young pitching is dumb.”

    I agree….I’m not sure it makes sense for either team as the mariners would have to essentially wipe out their strength to add one player. Texas is really the only team to me that can match up and not kill their future by doing so

  64. blake January 1st, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Id trade a ton for Stanton……but I mean to have any shot the Yanks would have to gut their system of their top talent…would love to have Stanton and it might even be worth it….but youd be talking about really putting all your eggs in his basket going forward ….cause I think it’d take probably 4 of their best prospects to even start the conversation

  65. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    blake

    The first thing the Mariners have to do is decide what they are going to do with Felix beyond 2014.

  66. Against All Odds January 1st, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 11:17 pm
    blake

    The first thing the Mariners have to do is decide what they are going to do with Felix beyond 2014.

    —————-

    There was talk during the winter meetings about them wanting to extend him.

  67. luis January 1st, 2013 at 11:48 pm

    Good evening

    First of all I want to wish a happy new year to all.

    Rich… It is great to have you back!

    About Stanton…. I agree with Blake’s take…. It serves no porpoise to wipe all your pitching depth for a single player, even for one as good as Stanton… That’s basically my same line of argument for not dealing for Upton, unless the amount of talent we lose doesn’t mean wiping out our talent pool, which will probably have to happen for us to even have a chance to land either of those players. Our best shot was Hamilton, he would have cost only money :(

    They should have traded Felix a long time ago.

  68. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    AAO

    I didn’t read that, thanks. If they are going to do it, it will probably cost them about $25m a year after 2014. So I would think they have to be prepared to increase their payroll by about 50% over the next few years. Their payroll was about $84m in 2012. It’s kind of risky to have one player take up from 20 to 25%. Unless, of course, almost all of their young cost-controlled players reach their ceiling.

  69. Against All Odds January 1st, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    You’re welcome Rich. I don’t think it was ever printed in the papers but Heyman spoke about in on MLB Network

  70. Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 11:59 pm

    Thanks, luis. I hope things are good with you.

    The difference in pursuing Upton, at least imo, is: 1) the players the Yankees would trade are mostly far away from the ML; 2) it seems unlikely that they would be willing to develop so many position players at once; 3) if that’s true, Upton (or Stanton) helps them compete at a high level both in 2013 and beyond; 4) his AAV given his potential production helps them keep Cano (although that’s a slippery slope, no matter what).

    Now, depending on what they actually plan to spend in 2014 and beyond, and their ability to develop and acquire talent overall, including having the patience stomach for development, that could affect the calculus in deciding how they should handle their next wave of prospects.

  71. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Rich in NJ January 1st, 2013 at 11:59 pm
    Thanks, luis. I hope things are good with you.

    The difference in pursuing Upton, at least imo, is: 1) the players the Yankees would trade are mostly far away from the ML; 2) it seems unlikely that they would be willing to develop so many position players at once; 3) if that’s true, Upton (or Stanton) helps them compete at a high level both in 2013 and beyond; 4) his AAV given his potential production helps them keep Cano (although that’s a slippery slope, no matter what).

    Now, depending on what they actually plan to spend in 2014 and beyond, and their ability to develop and acquire talent overall, including having the patience stomach for development, that could affect the calculus in deciding how they should handle their next wave of prospects.

    ============

    They are fine thanks for asking.

    About Upton…. 1) I don’t think we have the players to make a deal for JUpton, so that means we have to deal most, if not all of our top talent prospects ( Williams, Sanchez, just to start, probably Nova or Phelps as well)… 2) whether we like it or not, we are about to enter a rebuilding process, the core needs to be replaced, and we are more than one player away…3) on top of it, we would have to pay a rather expensive contract and his shoulder gives me pause, not to mention that we don’t know if he is going to reach his ceiling…4) I think they will resign Cano, no matter what.

    We are in a pickle and Upton would be a great addition for now and the future, but it would heavily depend on what we would have to give up… for me, Sanchez should be untouchable, probably Williams too…. But the main reason I don’t want them trading anyone is because I don’t trust them to pick the right talent to be traded… I still have nightmares of watching AJax playing a great CF and hitting the ball the other way with authority.

  72. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 am

    luis

    Well, if they don’t have the assets (and that may be so), then the point is moot.

    As for rebuilding, that may be optimal, and even advisable, but they may believe that they don’t have to rebuild, at least in the sense of restructuring around young players with upside who are likely to get better with experience.

    They can find all sorts of stopgaps, old or young, that may only serve to put lipstick on a pig, but the pig may be pretty enough to sell tickets and drive ratings, and even make the playoffs now and then.

    Sure, I would like to watch Sanchez and Williams develop in NYC (although Upton is far more of a sure thing), but would Hal and Randy be willing to watch prolonged slumps and uneven development, simultaneously for multiple players? I don’t know? Neither have ever really done that. That’s what I meant by having the stomach for development.

    They may prefer having sideshows. I mean, I like Ichiro as a player, but I don’t give a &^&(* if he gets his 3000th hit as a Yankee because he wasn’t a Yankee for the vast majority of those hits. But since the Yankees gave him two years at a time when they seem ready to shrink their payroll, they must think enough fans do care.

    So sure, ideally we need a franchise that only cares about baseball decisions, and is run by a GM who has experience successfully (re)building a franchise in creative ways, including, in large part, via internal development.

    We don’t currently have that, and I am not very confident that the Yankees will any time soon.

    So until then, creative patchwork might be the best we can hope for.

  73. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 12:47 am

    Rich,

    As usual, you make a lot of sense. I just can’t accept that we can only hope for stopgaps and patchwork. That happening is going to make for a lot of very boring seasons ahead. But you are right, they are ill prepared for a rebuilding. They don’t seem willing to go the youth way, they do like the vets.

  74. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 1:00 am

    luis

    Maybe they’ll surprise us (at least our expectations are low ;) :( ).

    On the bright side, an acquisition like Upton (or preferably Stanton) are high quality patchwork who could buy them time as the remaining core that we have been privileged to watch over the last 16 or so years fades from the scene.

    Again, being optimistic, Levine is a businessman who made his own way in life, and he has to know that the Yankees, at least at some point in the relatively near future, need some sexy young stars to sell to the public in order to remain a compelling story.

    So maybe the report, which I think Shame referenced, that Levine was contacting the Marlins about Stanton is accurate?

    Anyway, GN, luis.

  75. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 1:06 am

    GN Rich….I am Turning in too

  76. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 7:25 am

    I think Stanton is a true pipe dream…..the yanks probably don’t have enough to get him even if they wanted to and even if they did it would totally wipe the system out of top talent.

    Upton is more realistic…I don’t know how much more realistic but I do think there is a chance they could get Towers to say yes on him and possibly do so and still keep a couple of the top guys……

    Again if they could do a deal with any two of (Mason. Sanchez, Austin, and Heathcott) plus maybe Nova or a phelps then Id probably do it…..no clue if towers would

  77. MTU January 2nd, 2013 at 7:53 am

    Morning Blake.

    Someone is likely to wind up with Upton or Kubel.

  78. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:05 am

    MTU,

    Yea I think they’ll trade one and my guess is its Upton

  79. MTU January 2nd, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Xmas and New Year’s are over.

    Time to get back to buisness Brian.

    Get us that RH-hitting 4th OF’er and our LH-Hitting DH.

    ;)

  80. MTU January 2nd, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Blake-

    IMO Upton would net the higher return.

  81. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:09 am

    MTU,

    Yea Upton will bring a lot more back than Kubel

  82. MTU January 2nd, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Blake-

    Did you see the Bowden article that Stoneburner posted last night ?

    The part where he said that the Yankees should be trading for youth with guys like Williams, etc. really struck home with me.

    My feeling is that the Yankees might now be making the opposite mistake to the one they did in years past.

    That is, hugging their prospects too tightly.

    Your take ?

  83. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:29 am

    MTU,

    I think it depends on who they are getting….if they can get Upton or somebody on or near that level ten sure.

    I’ve said many times I think the Yanks are nearing the end of a window to win a title…..a guy like Upton would both help them win now and bridge to the future.

    I don’t think Bowden really understands the Yanks budget or how tough it’s gonna be on them ….I still think he thinks that they will forget about it in the end….I just don’t think they will

  84. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:31 am

    You get Upton then you can probably actually afford to sign Cano and stay on budget….then you have your 3/4 hitters in place for at least the next 3 years.

    I also think they could trade Grandy or Gardner and recoup some prospects …perhaps in positions they need more

  85. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 8:35 am

    MTU,

    We really have no way of knowing the trade value of our prospects. It may be they are not close enough to bring a substantial return. The worst move they can make is to trade them for a short term fix.

    I do think the main reason, however, we won’t see them traded is there is no way to get under $189 without a large number being on the 25 man roster. They wii need many minimum salary players.

    For the record, I will maintain my Team Greedy membership until they take the last free agent list from my cold hands( it’s in the 30s here). :)

  86. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Lets say the Yanks did the deal Bowden suggested a few days ago (Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez, and Dante jr for Justin Upton)……I think it’d take more than that but lets say they did that deal….would that wreck their system?

    I don’t think it would…..you’d be adding a true elite talent that’s 25 years old and is already in the big leagues and you’d still have Austin and Heathcott.

    Plus youd have the ability to go shop Granderson and Gardner for real and see what you can get for them….maybe you can get a legit SS or 3B prospect for one of them and that lessens the prospect loss.

  87. MTU January 2nd, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Mac-

    I have never advocated trading our top prospects for a short-term fix.

    That would be foolish in the extreme as far as I am concerned.

    But how about trading some of them for a quality young player like Upton, or the like ?

    Surely you and most would be in favor of doing that ?

    Do we really need to keep 4/5 young OF prospects ?

    Surely we can self-scout better than that ?

    If we can’t we’re in a world of hurt.

    Trying to keep all of your guys is just as foolish as giving them all away.

    The secret is to know who to trade and when.

    The odds of ever finding another set of core 4 guys is extremely low.

    We’ll be very fortune if we get 1 or 2 good ones out of the current crop.

  88. MTU January 2nd, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Blake-

    We could argue about WHICH guys should be moved but not IF some of them should IMO.

    You have to make a deal like that to get an Upton IMO.

    Of course, I tend to agree with you that it likely isn’t enough.

    ;)

  89. MTU January 2nd, 2013 at 8:46 am

    edit: fortunate

  90. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:48 am

    What if you could deal for Upton then trade Granderson to Philly for Tommy Joseph?

  91. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Or to Philly for Cody Ashe?

  92. MTU January 2nd, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Blake-

    That might work but I think they might be able to do better for Grandy.

    You secure JU and Grandy definitely can be made available.

  93. disco stu January 2nd, 2013 at 8:54 am

    “You get Upton then you can probably actually afford to sign Cano and stay on budget….then you have your 3/4 hitters in place for at least the next 3 years.

    I also think they could trade Grandy or Gardner and recoup some prospects …perhaps in positions they need more”

    Blake -

    That makes a lot of sense, but I don’t believe the Yankees are going to do that.

    My feeling has been all along that they are putting a team together for 2013 that is made up of mostly 1 year or expiring contracts because they are NOT going to move heaven and earth this year to make the post season. If everthing falls into place and the aging vets fight back Father Time for at least one more year and the Yankees contend again, then fine … they will take another shot at #28.

    But if they struggle in the first half and reach June/July and are having a season like Boston and Philly just had, then I believe they will go into “sell” mode and look to bring back a ton of young, affordable MLB talent and/or prospects by trading guys like Andy, Kuroda, Youkilis (1 year deals) and Cano, Grandy, and Hughes (expiring contracts).

    It will guarantee that they are under $189 million going into 2014.

    The Yankees will reload, but not until they get their financial house in order.

  94. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 8:55 am

    I think Stanton is a true pipe dream…..the yanks probably don’t have enough to get him even if they wanted to and even if they did it would totally wipe the system out of top talent.
    -

    They would probably have to trade Cano for the assets to package, assuming there is a team willing to do that.

  95. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:56 am

    MTU,

    Maybe so…I do think Ashe is an interesting name for the Yanks to look at ….he hit .300 with an almost .900 OPS in AA last year and everything I’ve read on him suggests he’s a pretty good defender at 3B….kinda under the radar guy at his point ….Id target him as a piece in any trade with Philly

  96. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:57 am

    “That makes a lot of sense, but I don’t believe the Yankees are going to do that.”

    Neither do I….I think the best shot we have is Morse if the Nats re-sign Laroche and they probably won’t even go after him

  97. MTU January 2nd, 2013 at 8:59 am

    All this talk is nice but I think the Yankees are more like to continue to patch things than really aim high.

    Perhaps they just do not have what the Snakes are looking for ?

    I just hope the max. effort was made. That is all we can ask.

    OTOH holding all 4 of those guys might just turn to be the best alternative. After all it is a #’s game when it comes to prospects.

    That’s an alternate POV.

    ;)

  98. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 9:00 am

    “They would probably have to trade Cano for the assets to package, assuming there is a team willing to do that.”

    Yea and thats messy.

    I think if the Yanks said look you can have any 4 prospects plus either Gardner or Nova then maybe the marlins would talk….. But would that make the Yankees better longterm?

  99. MTU January 2nd, 2013 at 9:00 am

    New thread —->

  100. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 9:01 am

    I think the Yanks could do something creative if they thought out of the box a bit…..but when have they ever done that?

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