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The temptation that is Giancarlo

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 02, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This was inevitable, wasn’t it? From the moment Jim Bowden tweeted over the weekend, it was inevitable that the name Giancarlo Stanton would have to be addressed. Here’s the tweet:

Dan Jennings Marlins AGM told us they will listen to all offers on Giancarlo Stanton but they’re not shopping him and don’t want to move him

OMG!!! Does Brian Cashman know about this? What will it take to get him? Do the Marlins still want Alex Rodriguez?

A few things to keep in mind here…

1. Willing to talk doesn’t mean legitimately willing to trade. The Marlins have said repeatedly that they have no plans of trading their best player. They owe it to themselves to listen just in case someone wants to offer an entire farm system plus Buster Posey, but there’s little reason to believe the Marlins actually want to trade Stanton for anything remotely reasonable. He’s 23, not eligible for arbitration yet and led the league in slugging last year. He’s a monster. And he’s cheap. Even the rebuilding Marlins want a player like that. 

2. Even if Cashman were to openly admit to having conversations with the Marlins, what would that possibly prove? That the Yankees general manager is doing the responsible thing and checking on availability? It certainly wouldn’t prove anything more than that. Cashman checks with a lot of GMs about a lot of players. Doesn’t mean he actively pursues them because he doesn’t always have the tools for such a pursuit.

3. Are the Yankees interested? Without making a single phone call I can answer that. … Of course they are! It’s Giancarlo Stanton. In other news, I’m interested in playing rhythm guitar and singing terrible backing vocals for Paul McCartney. Just waiting for a call back.  

4. It goes without saying that Rodriguez isn’t a serious part of this conversation, but it’s worth mentioning that Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson and Phil Hughes aren’t a part of this conversation either. The Marlins are going to be terrible next year. They’re not interested in one-year rentals on their way to free agency. They might not be a well-run franchise, but they’re not going to make that sort of mistake.

5. There’s a kind of gap in the Yankees farm system. Jesus Montero was traded, Manny Banuelos got hurt and Dellin Betances took a step back. That leaves the upper levels of the Yankees system pretty thin, and it’s the upper-level prospects who have the most trade value. The Yankees do have legitimate minor league talent — and Slade Heathcott, Mason Williams, Tyler Austin and Gary Sanchez have significant trade value — but it’s going to require a huge group of them to get significant big league talent, and a team willing to give an elite, big league ready prospect could probably trump any Yankees offer. The Mariners were reportedly discussing a deal for Stanton, and it’s worth noting that they have the kind of minor league pitching that the Yankees can’t match.

6. An honest question: If a trade for Stanton would require gutting the farm system, would it be worth it, and could the Yankees afford it? They’d have their long-term answer in right field, but they would be back to square one in the minors and would still have age and contract problems at several positions.

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168 Responses to “The temptation that is Giancarlo”

  1. C.R.9 January 2nd, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    …….

  2. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:31 pm
    AAO,

    I agree with your RAB feelings. The conversation here is preferable to me.

    —————————

    I agree Mac. I like the free flowing nature of Lohud.

  3. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Mick,

    Last thread… Yup

    Also, I find it distasteful to smear someone that can’t defend himself anymore. I had my differences with said poster, but I always respected him. If you can’t respect him, that’s your prerogative, but please refrain to do so in this venue.

  4. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Luis,

    Well said.

  5. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    luis January 2nd, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    Some of the posters on RAB have a problem with the commenters on here not talking about the article that’s posted or carrying on a convo from days ago or being extreme when it comes to a certain point of view. I like RAB for some of the articles they come up with but some of them I can do without like “What Went Wrong: Freddy Garcia “

    /////

    Then they are completely wrong…. Some posts (forgive me Chad et al) are not worth commenting, and some other bit of news have more staying power, so it’s natural that those themes are a recurring subject of discussion.

    About the title of the post in RAB… The only reason it went wrong is because their hesitation to put Phelps sooner on the rotation. But I get your drift

    —————

    I agree somethings are worth discussing more than others. Heck we’re still discussing the bats going dead in the PS because they haven’t completely solved the problem.

  6. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    Lol, I hope Trisha sees CR is around.. fight the real enemy.

    Once I did surmise I might be a ‘better fan’ for caring more about the direction of the team.. it’s a theory blake and myself play with when people try to out-fan us :D But I’ve never come on here and called anyone a pollyanna or a cheerleader or a robot or batsh*t crazy. I try to maintain some level of personal respect when addressing the blog, and have asked trisha to do so in return. She never does. *shrugs* I’ll comment on what she says if I feel like it, and I won’t if I don’t, same as always.

    Don’t feed the trolls Luis.. the thing I don’t like about RAB is some of the comments are blatantly rude or racist and no one calls out the poster. Here, we self police. Chad probably already has 4-5 emails about the above in his inbox.

  7. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    My random thoughts fit better to free flow than subject limits. For better or worse for my fellow bloggers.

  8. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    BTW, I appreciate all the kind words folks, but I’m afraid it just makes her feel more attacked. Undeservedly, since trisha is practically an institution on here, but I’ll fight my own battles with her, it’s better for just her and I to argue about it than involving others. Had no intention of dragging GLove into the fray lol, and randy needs no motivation to enter it ;)

  9. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    My random thoughts fit better to free flow than subject limits. For better or worse for my fellow bloggers.

    ——————–

    I still remember when they threaded the comments and the place went nuts :lol:

  10. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Shame,

    We ‘re going to say nice things a out you whether you like it or not. So there.

  11. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    “Once I did surmise I might be a ‘better fan’ for caring more about the direction of the team..”

    You realize that those who chose to question another person’s level of “fan-ness” are revealing far more about themselves than their views about baseball, right? :D

  12. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Odds,

    I don’t think they have done anything to address the problem ;) Maybe even they have compound it and may make a move they might regret in the future.

    Mr 9,

    My father used to say that if I didn’t have anything good to say about someone, then that I shouldn’t say anything. That’s some free piece of advice. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I am certainly entitled not to have to put up with it. So I bid you all a very good night.

  13. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    lets say they bring in Scott Hairston in on a 2 year..

  14. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    “lets say they bring in Scott Hairston in on a 2 year..”

    Which, in addition to the Irchiro blunder, would make it even more likely that 2013 would be Hughes’ last season in NY. So…not wise.

  15. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    Shame,

    My bad… You are right.. Later all

  16. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    luis January 2nd, 2013 at 7:18 pm
    Odds,

    I don’t think they have done anything to address the problem Maybe even they have compound it and may make a move they might regret in the future.

    ————————-

    They might but I think Cashman is a little gun shy when it comes to trades unless the player is a sure thing.

  17. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Joe,an,

    I think Hairston had his career year. Plus, to give two hear deals only to platoon type players is wrong to me.

  18. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm


    Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 7:22 pm
    “lets say they bring in Scott Hairston in on a 2 year..”

    Which, in addition to the Irchiro blunder, would make it even more likely that 2013 would be Hughes’ last season in NY. So…not wise.

    —————————–
    not a Hughes fan..who cares

  19. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Nice typing by me.

  20. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    :lol:

    Couldn’t help it Rich.. It’s funny when you flip the argument though, isn’t it? Not sure anyone ‘wins’ that battle, which is the whole point of it being an asinine conversation to continually have.. but the best part about that particular topic is that no matter what you might be discussing, all fan bases are the exact same and make the same arguments.

    For example, as many of you know, I love the Backstreet Boys :D the BSB-fandom is similarly divided between those that critique their music/decisions/events and those that don’t understand why that other group of people just can’t appreciate the Boys enough and always has to ruin everything by complaining about it. Every time I see a discussion like that going on I think of this place and smile!

    I’d hate to be a fan of Twilight… I’d imagine those are some tough battles to wage. Those kids are god awful actors. I’d think someone that’s still a fan may have pointed it out by now. That person is probably dead somewhere, drowned and weighed down by a Robert Pattinson cardboard cut out.

  21. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Shame-
    What do you like about the Back Street Boys?

  22. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    I do wonder what it would take to get Maxwell back… but I don’t think they’d ever a) admit the error and b) pay for it.

  23. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Well.. when I was 11 I liked the way Kevin Richardson looked when he was shirtless and wet.

    When I saw it, I became a woman.

  24. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    “not a Hughes fan..who cares”

    Anyone who realizes that they won’t have the money (if the austerity budget is deployed) to re-sign Pettitte and Kuroda; that Pineda may be neither healthy nor effective; that Nova and Phelps may not even be 5th starters.

    Hughes, otoh, has demonstrated that he is at least a 4th starter, which btw, goes for about $10m a year on the open market, and now that he has a full season of starting under his belt and the accompanying arm strength and stamina that that confers, he may even be better, maybe much better if he can cut down on the HR.

    So if money is committed to Hairston in 2014, in addition to Ichriio, they probably lose the option of even considering Hughes.

    Being smart in life is in no small part about preserving options. So why blow that for what are likely marginal players?

  25. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    “Couldn’t help it Rich.. It’s funny when you flip the argument though, isn’t it? Not sure anyone ‘wins’ that battle, which is the whole point of it being an asinine conversation to continually have.. but the best part about that particular topic is that no matter what you might be discussing, all fan bases are the exact same and make the same arguments.”

    Shame

    I hear you. I’m just not enamored (to say the least) with judgmental people in life, no matter what the topic under discussion.

    So I don’t read everyone’s posts here, and without a direct reply system on the blog it’s far easier to ignore them.

    But anyway, I do read your posts, so keep it up!!!

  26. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    http://i15.photobucket.com/alb.....Orgasm.gif

  27. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    6. An honest question: If a trade for Stanton would require gutting the farm system, would it be worth it, and could the Yankees afford it? They’d have their long-term answer in right field, but they would be back to square one in the minors and would still have age and contract problems at several positions.

    I asked this earlier and I think it’s a great question…..it’s hard to say.

  28. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Again if we’re talking about pipe dreams then is rather pay less for Justin Upton than all the prospects for Giancarlo…..because aside from the contracts I see then as similar values long term …. Actually think Upton might have more overall upside

  29. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Rich – AHgreed. I just find it ..funny?.. interesting?.. that the same argument is had in all fandoms! I think it’s like a requirement when being a fan of anything that there will be two(ish) battling factions that are basically having the same argument we have on a regular basis – only difference being the subject matter.

    Although I have a hard time complaining about anything Kevin Richardson related… http://i15.photobucket.com/alb.....Orgasm.gif

  30. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    And Upton is much more likely to actually be traded

  31. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Again if we’re talking about pipe dreams then is rather pay less for Justin Upton than all the prospects for Giancarlo…..because aside from the contracts I see then as similar values long term …. Actually think Upton might have more overall upside

    —————–

    If we really could do both.. and we really could make a move for either or……. I might go with Stanton only because of how extremely cheap he is. Upton is cheap, but in these penny pinching times Giancarlo costs as much as dirt. An extra $5 mil a year lying around could make a difference for the Yanks. I’d have to see both packages to make a final decision though, on the off chance someone consults me before deciding……. then again, if it’s as big as we think it could be, I might go back to trying to get Gordon AND Headley instead of Upton or Giancarlo.

  32. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    As I alluded to in a post to luis last night, along with looking at how many prospects the Yankees have to give up in a trade, you have to think about whether or not those prospects will get sufficient time and patience to have the chance to develop in NY.

    The Yankees have had the ability to do that gradually over the last decade, and all they really have to show for it in terms of everyday players is Cano, a little bit of Gardner.

    Development is hard even under optimal conditions, but when you have Hal saying counterproductive stuff like they have to compete for the WS every single year, it becomes that much harder.

    That’s probably why AJack isn’t a Yankee, and they easily could have afforded him patience if they had the stomach for it.

  33. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    And Upton is much more likely to actually be traded

    —————-

    Well if you insist on working within the realm of reality fine, blake.. I’ll settle for Upton.

  34. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    ” Upton is cheap, but in these penny pinching times Giancarlo costs as much as dirt”

    This is true….but you also have to consider the prospect loss…..lets say you could keep Hearhcott and Austin by trading for Upton….whereas you’d have to include everybody to get Stanton.

    Sure Giancarlo is cheaper….but when you consider that Heathcott and/or Austin could come up and cheaply fill another spot then that is better

  35. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    “Although I have a hard time complaining about anything Kevin Richardson related… http://i15.photobucket.com/alb…..Orgasm.gif”

    heh

  36. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    I would greatly enjoy watching Giancarlo hit balls off the upper deck in YS though…

  37. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Shame,

    BTW….re: TarYanks….you need to aim lower and greedier than Tar

  38. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    blake – My biggest concern with any trade they make is that they have trouble evaluating their own talent and when to sell high vs. when to be patient. So in this hypothetical trade world we’re in right now, I could see them trading less for Upton but more in terms of actual talent. I’m not sure that makes sense with how I’m wording it but I’m hoping you understand what I’m saying. If it was up to me, Hamilton would be suiting up and we’d see Austin, Heathcott and Williams in our OF in a couple of years lol. Who is that other kid they’ve been talking up lately? I think his last name starts with an R…. or maybe his first name… or maybe there’s just an R in his name somewhere… too much objective pipe for me to remember.

  39. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    “If it was up to me, Hamilton would be suiting up and we’d see Austin, Heathcott and Williams in our OF in a couple of years lol. Who is that other kid they’ve been talking up lately? I think his last name starts with an R…. or maybe his first name… or maybe there’s just an R in his name somewhere… too much objective pipe for me to remember.”

    Ugh….me too….maybe Flores?

  40. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    blake…. wait… is that YOU?! I didn’t post the full handle cause I didn’t want to out anyone on here that doesn’t want their Twitter public lol.

  41. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    You know what, I’m just gonna follow everyone that follows Lost and I’ll have most of LoHud on my feed lol.

    Flores is probably it.. there’s an R! He’s the kid that got a bunch more ABs in AA than the other guys, right?

  42. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Could be ;)

  43. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Hello again,

    Flores is the kid….. Saw him a couple of times down in Venezuela…. The kid has a great approach at the plate, very patient and selective… He is smaller than you would imagine, but he has a lot of bat speed… Still, needs to work on his OF routes… But his bat is as ready as it can be.

  44. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Nice :D

    Flores it is!! Now let’s see who we can trade him for…..

  45. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: Person familiar with #marlins thinking places odds for a stanton trade at … “Zero percent”

  46. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Zero percent only means that any offer must blow the Marlins doors off.

  47. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    If the marlins called the Nats and offered Giancarlo for Harper straight up then who says no?

  48. CompassRosy January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: Person familiar with #marlins thinking places odds for a stanton trade at … “Zero percent”

    ~

    Maybe not NOW but, maybe later….

    http://prospectinsider.com/vie.....n-suitors/

  49. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    I actually think the marlins should trade him….he’s unhappy and won’t sign there…. They aren’t gonna win for years….they have no fans either way…. And his value can really go nowhere but down

  50. The Return of Stoneburner January 2nd, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Nats – - – -

  51. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Yea I think the Nats would as well….though Harper is still mostly potential…he was good last year but he’s not Giancarlo yet ….probably still wouldn’t do it though

  52. The Return of Stoneburner January 2nd, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Mike Maggi ?@MurderersRow23
    @LostNYY Can’t say I’m excited. Not a great time to be a NY sports fan. No playoff football, no hockey, Yankees will be boring, & hate NBA

    ******

    Geesh – who let Debbie Downer in – - – -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqcrg-ObwnU

    Oh it was me – - – -

  53. The Return of Stoneburner January 2nd, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    Nova, Williams, Gumbs, Austin – any takers for Upton? Towers has ties in some form to all four – - – -

  54. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    January 2, 2013 at 8:39 pm
    Nova, Williams, Gumbs, Austin – any takers for Upton? Towers has ties in some form to all four – – – -

    Id do that

  55. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    The NBA is not that bad

  56. theREALkevin January 2nd, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    I would do that trade with little hesitation

  57. McBain January 2nd, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Has anyone brought up the idea of Carlos Lee on a one-year deal? He’s a righty with pop who can play LF and DH. Maybe his asking price is too high at the moment, but if nobody bites, he could come relatively cheap in late Jan or Feb. I’d give him $8M.

  58. Nilsson January 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    “”OMG!!! Does Brian Cashman know about this? What will it take to get him? Do the Marlins still want Alex Rodriguez?””

    I literaly blew a snot bubble laughing when I read that. Nice one, Chad.

  59. Duh Innings II January 2nd, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    Carlos Lee would be a viable option for DH. Lowest strikeout and highest contact rate of current free agents who fit the DH bill. I’d offer him what the Ms re-signed Ibanez for take it or leave it. Lee was overpaid in 2012, time he takes a paycut in 2013.

  60. steviek78 January 3rd, 2013 at 12:43 am

    The Yankees MUST get this guy…any way they can. A Rod would be an interesting piece for the Yankees to dangle in a potential trade to the Marlins. If the Marlins don’t expect to contend for a few years…at least having A Rod for another 4 1/2 years and bringing the fans back into the new stadium with a Miami favorite and veteran presence for the younger players in rebuilding mode and certainly would serve them well. Oh…I’m full aware that A Rod’s going to miss a half of this season due to injjury… Keep him on the bench….have himi tutor this team and upon return the Marlins would still have him for I believe another 4 1/2 years and would not have to pay his salary. A Rod might thrive better in this tropical environment he seems to favor in the offseason. He, plus two of the following in Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams, Slade Heathcott, and Tyler Austin, plus Eduardo Nunez, and either David Phelps or Ivan Nova is an attractive package. Lots of needs are met here. With shrewd negotiating by Cashman..he could get the Marlins could agree to pay a small percentage of A Rod’s contract….as much as he can get them to pay. The Marlins get a former All Star and legend who would be reinvented and generate revenue in Miami being he’s from there plus a couple of single A top level prospects and young major league ready pitcher and infielder. Sure the Yankees are giving up a lot but at least a chunk of A Rod’s salary is eaten up. They could still retain either Nova or Phelps and remember they have Michael Pineda returning. Nunez is expendable.and is a coveted bat for other teams assuming the Marlins could work with him well on his fielding he would certainly thrive with every day play. The OF would be crowded with the addition of Stanton, 2 years of Ichiro and one more year of Granderson and Gardner after than. If the Yankees secure Stanton they should IMMEDIATELY seek to trade Granderson to an NL contender in need of left handed power for some top tiered prospects and/or a major league ready upgrade at catcher. Suddenly the Yankees are younger, rid themselves of ARod and SOME of his regrettable salary, get value by packaging Nunez who has no position on the Yankees and get back the biggest trade target out there right now and secure him for many years. This guy would be a monster in Yankee Stadium and more than fits the need for a right handed OF bat. I am definitely not excited about the prospect of obtaining Scott Hariston. I am not too worried about the Yankees securing a playoff spot this year but clearly they run out of steam in the playoff as the team’s collective old age has shown in the last few years. Don’t be surprised if the Yankees pull this off. Does this plan sound unreasonable? Of course a lot of it is up to the Marlins but if I were their GM I wouldn’t want a disgrunteld Stanton and would get as much as I can while his value is high and find the BEST option they could to rebuild fan morale. The BEST option for that would be getting Miami legend A Rod to guide this team in rebuilding mode and groomhim to be a possible coach one day because A Rod’s gonna retire here…why not start now and replace a big name after trading away every one of their other big names.

  61. Dill Pickler January 3rd, 2013 at 2:08 am

    What a horrible, condescending post, Chad. What happened, did Hal buzz and order you to quell the uprising, write a piece making fun of all Yankee fans, as if we’re all a bunch of knuckle-dragging troglodytes unable to fathom that it would actually cost something to acquire Stanton, or did you write this shill piece all on your own?

    It’s too bad, really, because you touched on the topic you really should have run with: #6 in your post. Why not write a real piece on what it might cost the Yankees to actually do a deal — name some names — and put your opinion out there, with pros and cons for making the deal. That piece would have actually been worth something, compared to the drivel you actually wrote.

    How about a package of Gardner, Nunez and either Nova/Phelps, plus Sanchez, one of the outfield prospects (Williams/Heathcott/Austin/Almonte), and one of the pitching prospects? Now, I’m not necessarily saying I would do that deal, as a Yankee fan, but I think it’s an interesting discussion, at least…

  62. JRC January 3rd, 2013 at 4:45 am

    I don’t think anyone would even consider ARod with the potential salary of $144 million if he reaches all of the homerun goals. That being said I would offer this years 1st and 2nd round picks, Phelps, Gardner, Sanchez and Heathcoat or Williams. Sounds like an NBA trade but it would allow Miami to pick from their own draft list.

  63. JRC January 3rd, 2013 at 4:54 am

    If trading ARod would be next to impossible, I would consider trading Texeira with some salary and transition ARod to first base and bring up a low cost third baseman(Dante Bichette or Tyler Austin).

  64. bobharrah January 3rd, 2013 at 8:09 am

    For Stanton? I’d give up Joba, Nova or Phelps, Nunez, Dickerson, Mesa, Bichette Jr, and Cervelli or Stewart….and throw in Arod, if they’d take him. That would leave us with a very nice outfield of Granderson, Gardner, Stanton, and Ichiro and possibly Diaz. No need to ‘find’ a DH, either. I’d say we would be all set, except for a long man or 5th starter, which should be about the easiest position to aquire, either free agent, minor leager who’s ready, or a reclaimation project. How about Derek Lowe again?

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