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What’s going on in Cleveland?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 02, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Maybe it’s only because I cover a team that’s tied to massive contracts and temporarily hesitant to make massive changes, but for some reason I feel like the Indians are quietly becoming a team worth watching.

Don’t get me wrong, the Yankees are still better than the Indians, Detroit is still the cream of the crop in the AL Central, and the Royals are the team really going for it in that division. … but the Indians have made some interesting moves. They lost 94 games last season, so they clearly have a lot of ground to make up, but there’s something to like about what’s going on out there.

Nick Swisher has been Cleveland’s biggest offseason signing, and now that the Yankees have lost him, there seems to be a new appreciation for his blend of power, patience and durability. He’s going to replace Shin-Soo Choo, who was shipped out of Cleveland in a creative, three-team deal that landed the Indians a potential top-of-the-rotation starter in Trevor Bauer, a speed-and-defense outfielder in Drew Stubbs, and a couple of relievers.

If Bauer is ready — which, he might be — he’ll join a rotation that already has some hit-or-miss 20-somethings in Ubaldo Jimenez, Justin Masterson and former Yankees prospect Zach McAllister. Those three are a long way from reliable, and they bring a considerable risk-reward feel to a rotation that has now added veteran Brett Myers (more risk-reward) and has had conversations about adding Shaun Marcum (more risk-reward). Behind that rotation is a young bullpen with hard-throwing closer Chris Perez, terrific setup man Vinnie Pestano, and side-arming middle reliever Joe Smith.

To add punch to a lineup that hit just 136 home runs last season, the Indians have signed all-or-nothing first baseman Mark Reynolds. He and Swisher and Carlos Santana have some pop, while middle infielders Asbrubal Cabrera and Jason Kipnis — and Stubbs against lefties — can hit near the top of the order.

It’s certainly not a finished product – I’m not sure the Indians can finish any better than third in the division, and counting on their rotation requires a lot of hoping and dreaming – but the Indians are quietly doing those things that the Yankees have been unable or unwilling to do. It might not work, but it’s interesting to watch them try.

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238 Responses to “What’s going on in Cleveland?”

  1. comet January 2nd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Marlins will listen on Stanton. Cano = Phelps/Nova for Stanton?

  2. PacoDooley January 2nd, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    comet January 2nd, 2013 at 3:00 pm
    Marlins will listen on Stanton. Cano = Phelps/Nova for Stanton?
    —————————–

    Not even in the right ballpark to open negotiations. They have no use for Cano and they will need to get several top flight talents back, not some cast asides. Think Herschel Walker trade type of deal…

  3. Mike in Harrisburg January 2nd, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Sadly I don’t think the Yankees have the package to put together for Stanton, even if they were inclined to try.

  4. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Mike in Harrisburg January 2nd, 2013 at 3:08 pm
    Sadly I don’t think the Yankees have the package to put together for Stanton, even if they were inclined to try.

    ————–

    Yankees might not even have the package to acquire Upton

  5. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Most of you do not remember the 1964/1965 Yankees. They were young except 1 or 2 key players. Ford (35) & Howard (35) were in their mid to late 30′s. The lineup was full of promise still!
    **1964**
    C……Elston Howard…….. 35
    1B…..Joe Pepitone*……… 23
    2B…..Bobby Richardson… 28
    SS…..Tony Kubek*……….. 28
    3B…..Clete Boyer…………. 27
    LF…..Tom Tresh#…………. 25
    CF…..Mickey Mantle#……. 32
    RF…..Roger Maris*……….. 29

    SP…..Jim Bouton………25 (18 Wins)
    SP…..Whitey Ford*…..35 (17 Wins)
    SP…..Al Downing*…….23 (13 Wins)
    SP…..Mel Stottlemyre…22 (9 Wins out of 13 starts)
    SP…..Ralph Terry………28 (7 Wins)
    SP…..Rollie Sheldon…..27 (5 Wins)

    Yanks also had a good BP with no one over 29.

    That basically same Yankee team finished 77-85, 6th AL. (Note in 1965 Mel won 20 games & Ford won 16, while Tresh hit 26 Hrs.)

    So while youth is important, even that is no real guarantee.

  6. AAA January 2nd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Marlins will listen on Stanton. Cano = Phelps/Nova for Stanton?

    =====================================

    Mason Williams, G. Sanchez, Austin, and Heathcott, plus maybe a high end pitching prospect is probably more like it.

    Marlins would have no reason to do it unless a team was willing to empty their farm system to get him.

  7. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    I concur.

  8. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    AAA January 2nd, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    That is why I posted earlier it might take a 3 or 4 team trade for the Yanks to acquire them.

  9. AAA January 2nd, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Yankees might not even have the package to acquire Upton

    ================================

    It would depend on the competing teams. Yankees could put together a pretty sweet package, but other teams can too, and can do it with guys closer to the bigs. Just a matter of the teams involved.

  10. AAA January 2nd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    That is why I posted earlier it might take a 3 or 4 team trade for the Yanks to acquire them.

    ========================================

    In the case of Stanton, even a 3 or 4 team trade isn’t likely to work. He’s the type of commodity that those teams would probably go directly to the Marlins themselves to get rather than help facilitate another team getting him.

  11. AAA January 2nd, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    *get HIM

  12. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    AAA January 2nd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Basically I’m saying the Yanks would need prospects that they could use to add to our own prospect to get them. It might require trading a pitcher like CC or players like Tex or Granderson to other teams to get a stockpile needed.

  13. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    We would all like to have Stanton. Let’s be realistic. If they did trade him, their would be swarms of teams after him. Other teams have highly rated prospects close to ready for MLB play as well as young valuable MLB players. We have no chance since we will not be able to beat other team’s offers.

    He is good and cheap. He is a guy the Rangers would probably give Profar and Olt for. Seattle would offer some of their near ready, high end pitchers. Kansas City still has tons of young talent.

    The only way we will get a Stanton type player is to draft and develop him.

  14. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    Also, good for Cleveland. More income from TV should be spent on players. They and others are doing it.

    They have perhaps realized spending money helps a team win as their build from within strategy did not.

    Maybe they are trying to do both–spend and build from within. Unfair.

  15. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    I’m honestly unsure if you’re just intentionally misrepresenting my point or if you don’t see that you’re doing it… that goes for both Ray and trisha.

    I didn’t say I needed to be informed of anything.

    Does everyone here know the Rays plan based on what they’ve told anyone? No. But they take a methodical approach to how they develop and flip their players. It’s not fool proof or status quo… it’s just a general outline of how to approach the business of baseball. This, surely, exists in the Yankees’ world. I do not doubt that. But what we’re seeing are inconsistent approaches.. very likely based on factions in the FO that disagree about the fundamentals of said plan.

    How do you sign a $12 million investment and get your AAA guys enough developmental big league playing time? How do you part with young cost controlled pitching to fill other needs when you have a barren rotation in 2014?

    I do not appreciate being referred to as whinny or entitled or fair-weathered. There is no value in those types of statements at all. We go through this like once a month in here.. everyone in here is a fan. If you don’t like the discussion that takes place during the off season then take a vacation since there are no games tomorrow.

  16. comet January 2nd, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Marlins will listen on Stanton. Cano + Phelps/Nova for Stanton?

  17. comet January 2nd, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    I’m with Shame!

  18. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Nothing Intentional from me! I have never called you or thought you to be whinny or entitled or fair-weathered.

    What I tried to express is a plan in what they are doing based on my opinion. I think the best way to introduce new younger players is to bring them in gradually w/o the pressure of HAVING to be the starter until they show they can handle it. Youk & Ichiro kind of meet that criteria for me.

  19. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    ” But they take a methodical approach to how they develop and flip their players.”

    shame-

    you mean like when neil allen told me in pawtucket last year before a rays/red sox triple a game to watch archer, the rays starting pitcher, because they were going to make him throw fastballs until he learned to command it. he said they were doing this because they already decided to move shields and wanted archer to replace him in the rotation in 2013.

    you mean that kind of planning and execution ? :)

  20. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    comet says:
    January 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm
    Marlins will listen on Stanton. Cano = Phelps/Nova for Stanton?

    As AAA said…..I think the Yanks would have to go and say pick any 4 prospects and then probably still have to add a controlled big leaguer like Gardner or nova to even get a conversation started for Stanton.

    Upton would cost less…..I don’t know how much less

  21. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Shame,

    For the record, you are my favorite fan. You are pretty darn funny.

  22. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    I think Towers would want Mason and Sanchez as center pieces and then probably a big league player on top of that…..

  23. G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    Shame,

    Amen. This place turns into a pit when the moral authority show up to lecture us all how they don’t care about anything but the crisp clean laundry and the strapping young men inside them. Huzzah…

    We get it. You don’t give a fart about the offseason moves and planning. Bully for you. Stop lecturing the rest of us who have valid points to make about how the team is being run and what moves they can, didn’t and possibly could make. I know I’m personally hanging by a thread participating here because I frankly can’t stomach how the conversation gets derailed once a week by the up with people fans who apparently aren’t happy enough to not to take shots at the rest of us. I mean, if you were so content with the Yankees and your special fandom, why is it important to tell the rest of us we’re bad? Shouldn’t it be enough to be ensconced atop your lofty pinstriped pedestal?

    You can’t talk about the team here anymore. It’s an endless debate with the “I don’t care what the Yankees do and I’m better than you!” crowd.

    Why they waste time on a message board during the off season is beyond me.

    We really all should leave this place to them so they can have conversations like “I love the Yankees!”. “You do? I love the Yankees!”. “You’re kidding? I really love the Yankees!”. They’ll eventually turn on one another trying to prove who is more positive if the people who actually talk baseball in here disappear.

  24. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Shame has already been voted best looking and most charming poster….does she really need funniest too?

  25. Hassey January 2nd, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I wish people would stop telling me that I should and will miss Nick Swisher. No, I won’t

  26. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Hassey says:
    January 2, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    I wish people would stop telling me that I should and will miss Nick Swisher. No, I won’t

    You don’t have to….you might be by June though

  27. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Blake,

    I would strongly consider that Upton trade. Gardner, Robertson seem to be the only MLB Yankees likely to be wanted as part of such a deal.

  28. G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Hassey,

    Neither will I.

  29. theREALkevin January 2nd, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    The Marlins would want nothing to do with Cano. He’s due for a massive payday and they’ve been doing everything they can to lessen their payroll. I’m not sure the Yanks have the prospects to get Stanton. Maybe position players they’d have enough, but the Marlins would surely want a frontline pitching prospect also and I’m not sure the Yanks have that. They do probably have enough to put together a competitve package for Upton though.

  30. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Blake, this was the first time any other than Shame voted. :)

  31. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    “I would strongly consider that Upton trade. Gardner, Robertson seem to be the only MLB Yankees likely to be wanted as part of such a deal.”

    Eh Logan, Nova, Phelps, Nunez etc could have some value as pieces…..I really don’t wanna deal Sanchez but I would have to in that deal.

    You get 25 year old Upton and you’d still have Heathcott and Austin and you could then go shop Granderson…..maybe to Philly for Tommy Joseph or to the Braves …or to the Rangers

  32. G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    I actually think the Yankees have a shot at Stanton if they tell the Marlins pick any 5-6 players off the roster you want.

    Texas isn’t going to deal Prufar for him and Olt isn’t a big enough prospect to get the deal done as a centerpiece.

    I think the teams who have uber prospects close to the majors would rather hold onto them than give up the 6 years of control they’ll have on them.

    The Yankees literally would have to give the Marlins the pick of the team.

    I also think they would make that kind of move with the Marlins if they liked the A & AA guys enough.

  33. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    austinmac says:
    January 2, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    Blake, this was the first time any other than Shame voted.

    Hey she is sneaky

  34. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    If we added a bat with pop, I wouldn’t miss Swisher either. Right now, he is among the scores of home runs lost without a equal addition of other bats.

  35. Hassey January 2nd, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Blake – No, really, I won;t miss him. The 2009 ring had nothing to do with him, and he didn’t help us achieve the goal the last 3 years either. We can certainly do the same without him, for far less money than Cleveland flushed. I’m only talking about Swisher the player, not Swisher the man/bro. He seemed to be a good guy off the field.

  36. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    “I do not appreciate being referred to as whinny or entitled or fair-weathered.”

    especially by someone who had the knee jerk opinion last spring that hughes and kuroda both had to be removed from the rotation.

    now that wasn’t very positive was it?

    maybe positively wrong :)

    that said, my position on being positive is that it’s overrated.

    my experience is that people who never worry are like the village idiot who laughs as the world falls apart around him.

  37. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Ray – It’s trisha that throws around the personal insults on the regular. I do agree with you that slowly rolling rookies in is the ideal. I’ve preached on here several times I think the best constructed and consistently successful clubs are structured with 1/3 vets, 1/3 prime players, and 1/3 rookies. If you stay close to that formula year in and year out, you’ll always be competitive.

    I don’t like the jump from ‘they don’t have a consistent plan’ to ‘just because you don’t know the plan doesn’t mean they don’t have one’ – I think that makes very little sense. If this team were operating on any type of long term plan, we’d be able to see that. Teams aren’t successful by planning on a year to year basis. You can’t be successful long term by operating that way. They never operated that way in the past (passing on trading for Santana to sign FA Sabathia, prime example). Right now, what they’re doing is trying to fit a circle in a square… they were given a set of circumstances (assuming we all believe the lower payroll is strictly a result of the new CBA) and have done very little in that time span to 1) sell high on any of their departing players – we all knew Swisher was leaving, 2) extend their young players or 3) trade for cost controlled players.

    The fact that they haven’t done any of those three things says they’re doing what some fans suggest: wait and see. Let me tell you something, I could only dream of a job where I would be paid to wait and see. I’m sure we’d all love to tell our boss that we’re taking the ‘wait and see’ approach at the office from now on. Wait and see is fine for the fans… but it concerns me. Not on some crazy can’t sleep or eat because the Yankees are making me sad level.. but just on a basic level of loving and watching sports, the absolute silver bullet for any successful organization is a front office that doesn’t know or is having trouble determining what the plan should be. A FO like that can end up making mistakes that don’t just effect one or two seasons.. look at the Jets. Prime example right there. That team was on the cusp and now they’re quite literally back to square one. And it’s the entire management team that created that, top to bottom.

  38. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    “I actually think the Yankees have a shot at Stanton if they tell the Marlins pick any 5-6 players off the roster you want.”

    Id love to have Stanton…. But would this be a good idea even if Miami would do it?

    They are prospects and they could all bust….but say 3 of them made it….it’s possible the aggregate of those 3 could be more than Stanton….

    Id have to think about it…..I think Upton would cost less and aside from the money I like him just as good if we are talking about huge moves

  39. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Justin doesn’t have as cool of a name though

  40. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “Blake – No, really, I won;t miss him. The 2009 ring had nothing to do with him, ”

    I guess you forgot about the first 1/3 of the season in 2009 when Arod was out and Tex was nowhere to be found when Swisher basically carried the offense…..

  41. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Heck they might not have made the playoffs this year without Swish….they just barely made it and he killed the ball in August and the last couple of weeks of the season.

  42. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Blake, this was the first time any other than Shame voted. :)

    —————-

    That’s right mac, don’t listen to blake!

    Shame wants ALL the awards!!!!!

  43. G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    blake,

    For a legitimate young middle of the order hitter with power who can play OF? You trade the farm and take the risk.

    At least I do. A lot can happen to prospects between now & then as we know too often.

    That said, I would be ticked to lose Gary Sanchez because I truly believe the great Yankee teams had a catcher who could really hit and gave us a positional advantage up the middle. All of our dynasties have been built around C’s with that ability.

    Other than him, I’d trade them all for Stanton right now.

  44. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    this is really off topic, but i wonder if baseball going through a bubble like period where it’s popularity might drop off suddenly .

    i mean , kids don’t play the game the way they used to . there’s so much else out there. why would salaries and team values being going through the roof ?

    i think the game might be getting a bit ahead of itself right now.

    someone should tell hal to sell now while values are high :)

  45. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Before we became the janky, knock off Yankees.. we would have kept a guy like Swisher on the team to bat in the bottom of the order and gotten someone even better! Same for Grandy. I’d hang onto his awful BA, high strike outs, good defense and tons of HRs… we’d bat him 7th and laugh at opposing teams as bigger, badder, hairier bats were slotted in the middle of our order.

    Man.. those were the days ;)

  46. Hassey January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Blake – You, my friend, are a Swisher lover

  47. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    “I actually think the Yankees have a shot at Stanton if they tell the Marlins pick any 5-6 players off the roster you want.”

    ——————————————————–
    I’ll pick the 5 guys to go south

  48. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    How do you sign a $12 million investment and get your AAA guys enough developmental big league playing time?
    ==================
    Shame- Do you think you are the only one who dares to live for today?

  49. The Return of Stoneburner January 2nd, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Justin doesn’t have as cool of a name though

    ******

    depends on how old you are and your gender – - – -

  50. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    “For a legitimate young middle of the order hitter with power who can play OF? You trade the farm and take the risk.”

    Maybe so….but if they are sticking to this budget that’s really putting all the eggs in the Giancarlo basket…..I might do it in the end just because Id enjoy watching him hit 500 foot homers

  51. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    But if I could trade 2 of them for Upton rather than all of them for Stanton then Id prefer to do that

  52. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    prospects are just what they are..give me a proven player over prospects any day…Marlins take your pick of any players you want..start with Gardner

  53. G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    randy,

    I think the money the teams are making from TV/broadcasting deals are what’s fueling all this. I wonder if it’s almost getting to a point where attendance becomes moot as teams can make money off the TV deals.

    I always wondered if someday in the distant future if games are going to be played in a TV studio with no crowd at all…

    I do know the game is still popular with kids. My 10yo nephew plays year round now in the northeast. When I was a kid no one every played baseball year round, but now that is normal if your kid likes the sport.

  54. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    this is really off topic, but i wonder if baseball going through a bubble like period where it’s popularity might drop off suddenly .
    =============
    randy
    dont you think this has been going on for years?
    who is spending on baseball? baby boomers and the like that grew up on it.
    todays kids, if not passed on by their parents have no interest in baseball, esp if they weren’t introduced to it thru little league by their parents..
    thats why i said the other day that someday we might be watching the team video game championships on tee vee..

  55. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    randy – :lol: And yes, their plan with Archer is exactly what I’m talking about.

    GLove – Another cold NFL season gone by.. and now all of our eggs are in the Yankees basket. I hope a couple of a double-yoke because we need some luck. (Are double yokes lucky? I assume they are and treat them as such.)

  56. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Hassey says:
    January 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    Blake – You, my friend, are a Swisher lover

    Just trying to be objective….he was their 2nd highest OPS hitter last year

  57. Hassey January 2nd, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Mark Feinsand just tweeted:

    Yanks considering taking on a small portion of Bobby Bonilla’s salary to as a LH DH an to ocassionally give Ichiro blow, er, to give Ichiro an occasional blow, in RF

  58. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Gardner isn’t a prosepct

  59. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:34 pm
    But if I could trade 2 of them for Upton rather than all of them for Stanton then Id prefer to do that

    ————————————-
    I’ll take the better player..Stanton

  60. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    I don’t even think people on here understand… Normally I’d have much better things to do right now than care about the Yankees. I’d be half way through an incredibly exciting NHL season and would be too focused on the trade deadline.

    The NJ Devils. THAT is a team with a plan. Haven’t wavered on it in decades and what do they have to show for it other than being the most successful franchise in the tri-state area outside of the Yankees. And they don’t spend a lick!!

  61. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    “I wonder if it’s almost getting to a point where attendance becomes moot as teams can make money off the TV deals.”

    Not moot….but less important Id say….of course ratigs usually fall with attendance and that doesn’t make advertisers very happy

  62. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
    Gardner isn’t a prosepct

    —————————–
    really…they can have him as a throw in

  63. Hassey January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    Blake – That’s the problem with looking at Swish’s stats – he hit .050 for 130 games and .600 for 30 games. I hate that snot.

  64. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    I never heard or read any Yankee fan saying how lucky the Yankees were in winning any of their championships. However, if they don’t win, it is simply bad luck and/or bad timing.

    The team I saw play against Detroit was not a championship calibre team. Their flaws were obvious and discussed by we negative folks for months.

    Being the Yankees does not mean they are smarter or more likely to win than any of the other teams. I get the feeling many believe the team is entitled. They won so often because they had the money and spent it. Since the days they bought the Babe.

  65. G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Shame,

    When he threw the 3rd INT all I could think was that only you truly understood my pain at that moment. It literally has become an annual Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown moment with him. And I won’t say his name. I can’t even speak it. The worst part is he’s going to resigned to some ridiculous 6yr extension that will curse us almost until 2020.

  66. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    that said, my position on being positive is that it’s overrated.

    my experience is that people who never worry are like the village idiot who laughs as the world falls apart around him.
    ======================
    randy-
    don’t you know that beneath every positive is a negative?
    also, why would anyone continually have to trumpet who they supposedly are?
    an english prof i once had, used to say, “show don’t tell.”

  67. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    ————————————-
    “I’ll take the better player..Stanton”

    They have similar upsides and if I have to give half as much for Upton Id rather do that.

    People don’t realize how talented Justin Upton is….he can do more things than Stanton can…..has nearly as much raw power….can run ….can play defense.

    He’s gonna have his Matt Kemp breakout at some point IMO

  68. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
    Gardner isn’t a prosepct

    —————————–
    really…they can have him as a throw in
    ————————

    Man you really can’t stand Gardner lol.

  69. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    ————————————-
    “I’ll take the better player..Stanton”

    They have similar upsides and if I have to give half as much for Upton Id rather do that.

    People don’t realize how talented Justin Upton is….he can do more things than Stanton can…..has nearly as much raw power….can run ….can play defense.

    He’s gonna have his Matt Kemp breakout at some point IMO
    ————–
    again in my opinion as of today Stanton is the better player

  70. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 4:29 pm
    this is really off topic, but i wonder if baseball going through a bubble like period where it’s popularity might drop off suddenly .

    ———————-

    I think it already has to be honest with you

  71. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    my experience is that people who never worry are like the village idiot who laughs as the world falls apart around him.
    =========================
    Van Morrison- Village Idiot

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....sults_main

  72. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    mick January 2nd, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    How do you sign a $12 million investment and get your AAA guys enough developmental big league playing time?
    ==================
    Shame- Do you think you are the only one who dares to live for today?

    ——————-

    I do not know what this means.. but I’ll go ahead and say no I am not: I live for ALL the days. Living for one day is underrated.

    Speaking of Team Greedy.. have you guys seen the new AT&T commercial where some suit asks a bunch of little kids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGS90HEbP5U

    Suit: “What’s better, bigger or smaller?”
    Kids: “BIGGER!!”
    Suit: “Do you want a small treehouse or a BIG treehouse”
    Kids: “BIGGER!!”

    The tag line is, ‘It’s not complicated.’

  73. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    “again in my opinion as of today Stanton is the better player”

    Not disagreeing with that….Upton was just as good or better in 2011 though

  74. G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    blake,

    My hangup on Upton is he may or may not have a shoulder thing that is affecting his stats. That said, I’d deal for him if it didn’t include Sanchez. We need young potential impact bats. I just think if there were a match, we’d have made that deal already.

  75. The Return of Stoneburner January 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    My hangup on Upton is he may or may not have a shoulder thing

    *****

    And Sanchez may or may not have a knee thing – - – -

  76. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    “My hangup on Upton is he may or may not have a shoulder thing that is affecting his stats”

    Stanton has a knee thing too….he missed like 30 games with it last year

  77. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
    joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
    Gardner isn’t a prosepct

    —————————–
    really…they can have him as a throw in
    ————————

    Man you really can’t stand Gardner lol.
    —————————
    -I’m going to be all over his every at bat this coming year…hey if he plays as good as most people here say he will I will shut it..

  78. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    Cashman hasn’t been talking to Towers cause he has to get Matt Diaz locked up

  79. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:48 pm

    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:45 pm
    “again in my opinion as of today Stanton is the better player”

    Not disagreeing with that….Upton was just as good or better in 2011 though

    ———————-
    K..

  80. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Shame,

    When he threw the 3rd INT all I could think was that only you truly understood my pain at that moment. It literally has become an annual Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown moment with him. And I won’t say his name. I can’t even speak it. The worst part is he’s going to resigned to some ridiculous 6yr extension that will curse us almost until 2020.

    —————-

    Talk about an org with front office issues.

    The ‘underhanded shuffle pass’ was on my list of possible f*ck ups, I think.. but I misread his ability to lob the ball. The word ‘lob’ shouldn’t ever be in my vocabulary while watching a football game. As I turned off the television before the game officially ended, I took a nice full gulp of wine and thought about you GLove lol… I was so hoping Jones might go crazy last off season and sign Manning… maybe we’ll actually draft a QB or just trade for Sanchez so we can perpetuate this cycle of whatever is a notch below mediocrity. I wish they’d just blow a season since I do actually trust them with a high draft pick.. the NFL is funny like that, those kids are way more battle tested and ready to make an impact in their first couple of seasons.

  81. G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    joeman,

    If Gardner hits .280+ and steals 50-60 bags will you be disappointed in him?

    That’s kind of what I expect from a healthy full season of him I think.

  82. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    I do get the logic that if you’re gonna spend that much on Upton you might as well throw a couple more pieces in to try for Stanton. I mean, if you’re gonna blow it up… do you trust this team to keep the right pieces anyway?

  83. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    I’m not sure they’ll ever let Sanchez catch anyways

  84. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    Cashman hasn’t been talking to Towers cause he has to get Matt Diaz locked up

    ——————————–
    I could see it happen that Diaz gets cut

  85. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    “If this team were operating on any type of long term plan, we’d be able to see that. Teams aren’t successful by planning on a year to year basis. You can’t be successful long term by operating that way.” Shame

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnFZsrs32Co

  86. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    “I do get the logic that if you’re gonna spend that much on Upton you might as well throw a couple more pieces in to try for Stanton. I mean, if you’re gonna blow it up… do you trust this team to keep the right pieces anyway?”

    To me…..Upton + Heathcott and Austin for example > Giancarlo alone

  87. G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Shame,

    You do have to admit, it was a spectacular way to fail. That said, the fact the Skins no name running back went through our defense like a hot knife through butter all day didn’t exactly help The Cooler pull it out.

  88. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    I hope Diaz gets cut….if the team is such that healed it then they are in trouble

  89. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    I hope Diaz gets cut….if the team is such that he makes iit then they are in trouble

  90. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    G. Love January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm
    joeman,

    If Gardner hits .280+ and steals 50-60 bags will you be disappointed in him?

    That’s kind of what I expect from a healthy full season of him I think.

    ————————-
    nope…and it won’t happen

  91. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    I don’t mean I hope Diaz is out of a job….but if he’s their RH DH then that’s worrisome

  92. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    @Joelsherman1: Even after sign Matt Diaz to minor deal, #Yankees looking for RH punch v. LHs. Have no interest in Delmon Young, who is still fr agt (con)

    @Joelsherman1: Young v. LHs:.307/.341/.483, plus 3 strong DS v. #Yankees. But NYY views as horrible OF plus anti-semitic rant makes untenable in NYC

  93. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    I have a picture of me with Jack Dempsey in a gym. Doesn’t mean I can box.

  94. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
    Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
    joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
    Gardner isn’t a prosepct

    —————————–
    really…they can have him as a throw in
    ————————

    Man you really can’t stand Gardner lol.
    —————————
    -I’m going to be all over his every at bat this coming year…hey if he plays as good as most people here say he will I will shut it..
    ———————-

    Nothing wrong with that and if he doesn’t then you have a right to talk about it.

  95. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Hello again,

    I won’t miss Swisher’s all or nothing approach when it counts. So I will not miss him one bit. And if the offense struggles as I expect them to do, I will be content in knowing that at least I won’t have to deal with his at bats again.

    About Gardner…. If he is healthy, he will have a very good year… Somewhere around 270-280 avg/ 360-380OBP, over 100 runs scored and 40 to 50 SB… Is he our long term solution?…No, but he will hold the fort for either Heathcott or Williams arrival… So he does have value for us.

  96. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    WOW!!! Mike Fran can’t stand Rex

  97. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    mick January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    “If this team were operating on any type of long term plan, we’d be able to see that. Teams aren’t successful by planning on a year to year basis. You can’t be successful long term by operating that way.” Shame

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnFZsrs32Co

    —————-

    I still don’t get it.. I live LIFE differently than I view baseball.

    We need to stop equating important things like life to not-at-all important things like baseball. We all love the game, but it’s not the end all be all. It’s a GAME, which is why it’s so much fun to discuss it.

    That’s why we don’t discuss things like politics on here.. because that type of talk does effect important things in life.

  98. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    About Giancarlo or JUpton….I wish we have signed Hamilton… He would have costs only money and no talent… And he got 5 years, which was perfect for us.

  99. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Is TarYank on Twitter our Tar? Ah well, I’ll follow this TarYank anyway..

  100. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    luis January 2nd, 2013 at 4:58 pm
    Hello again,

    About Gardner…. If he is healthy, he will have a very good year… Somewhere around 270-280 avg/ 360-380OBP, over 100 runs scored and 40 to 50 SB… Is he our long term solution?…No, but he will hold the fort for either Heathcott or Williams arrival… So he does have value for us.
    ——————————
    those look like Bourn #’s to me

  101. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Thanks! The fact that I am responding to you in the 1st place is that I respect your opinion.

    I don’t believe they traded Swisher last year because they were trying to win last year & also knew they could get a draft pick for him at worst.

    I think some of the actual Yankee targets will come available once a few things come to pass. Laroche signing. Bourn signing. Napoli actually signing. These folks may open or close options the Yanks want. Remember 2013 doesn’t have a spending limit. The Yankee have added a lot of additional scouts & I expect that is to find more talent. A lot can happen before 2014. ARod could retire. That would open a lot of dollars for FA in 2014 alone. The Yanks may have a plan to trade CC either this season if they are out or before 2014 season. Cano may get injured & not be worth a long term contract & sign a 1 year contract with the Yanks.

    Basically we could all surmise that they do or don’t know what they are thinking. Something Randy said today about making a pitcher throw all fastballs is the type of instructional teaching that is needed. IMO, the Yanks need to add another AAA team so that one can have the old guys needing a 2nd chance & the other to make sure the prospects are ready.

    IMO, Nunez should have played in AAA as an OF & 3B before ever trying to do so in MLB. Betances should be mastering the fastball command like the Rays pitcher.

    When great players get injured on any team they are truly affected. (See RSox & TB & LAD & NYY)

    The Yanks burned out last year because the stars got hurt & continued to play because some of the stars that were hurt couldn’t. It made role players starters. Jones & Ibanez & Chavez & Nix all played way too much.

    Who could withstand losing for a serious period of time #3 & #4 hitters & #1 & #3 SP & their ace closer. Who could withstand losing the LF for the season, 3B for what amounted to the season, 1B for a part & he played thru pain & injury still, RF for part of the year. Before getting out of the gate the Yanks lost a #3 SP in Pineda.

    So perhaps the Yanks are thinking they can’t have as many injuries as 2012 either although they could.

    I think a healthy SP staff could be a plus 10 wins while losing Martin, Swish & Arod would subtract subtract 4 to 5 wins. So even though I don’t like a lot of the facets we have now, I still think results wise this team will win more games than 2012. (Hopefully an additional RH bat will be added of Morse’s caliber or greater.)

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 2nd, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Shame – you seem to have a persecution complex. I don’t think I need to say “but I’m not talking about you Shame!” every time I make an observation you don’t care for. Don’t worry, there are no strings on my tongue. In the meantime, I think I’ll continue to make any observations I care to, including observations about whining, complaining, self-entitled Yankee fans – of which there are many.

    G. Love, I’ve noticed you’ve become the self-appointed god and hero of lohud, but not all of us bow to your wowness. I for one do not.

    By the way, I’ll post here when I want, and I will post what I want, and I certainly don’t need either your permission or approval. You are the epitome of the know-it-all never-ending complainer who just loves flexing his muscles. You’re also the one who was crying here one night about how nobody should tell anyone else how post!!! (A little do as I say, not as I do, eh?)

    But kudos to both you and Shame because you’ve given randy the impetus to join in your little pity party and finger wagging!

    :roll:

  103. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    luis says:
    January 2, 2013 at 5:02 pm
    About Giancarlo or JUpton….I wish we have signed Hamilton… He would have costs only money and no talent… And he got 5 years, which was perfect for us.

    Arg

  104. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    The worst part about Diaz not making the team is they’ll probably stick him in AAA where he can take ABs away from our developing talent.

  105. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 5:03 pm
    luis January 2nd, 2013 at 4:58 pm
    Hello again,

    About Gardner…. If he is healthy, he will have a very good year… Somewhere around 270-280 avg/ 360-380OBP, over 100 runs scored and 40 to 50 SB… Is he our long term solution?…No, but he will hold the fort for either Heathcott or Williams arrival… So he does have value for us.
    ——————————
    those look like Bourn #’s to me

    ———————

    Pretty much, at a fraction of Bourn’s cost

  106. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 2nd, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Shame – you seem to have a persecution complex. I don’t think I need to say “but I’m not talking about you Shame!” every time I make an observation you don’t care for. Don’t worry, there are no strings on my tongue. In the meantime, I think I’ll continue to make any observations I care to, including observations about whining, complaining, self-entitled Yankee fans – of which there are many.

    ——————

    I don’t like the broad statements that are clearly directed at posters here. We’ve been through this and I know you won’t change your approach. No one is telling you what to think or say at all, just asking for simple respect. If you’re comments are directed at those NOT on here, then that makes even less sense. I just feel like it’s better to be direct as to which fans you’re singling out, since your comments were directly related to my statements.

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 2nd, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    And Shame, for future reference, ignore my posts. You seem to have endless difficulty with what I post and especially to any answers I give you about my posts. There are enough here who are charmed by your wit and humor that you have plenty of people to whom to post.

    Thanks!

    :)

  108. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Tom,

    That is a very cool picture. How old was he then?

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 2nd, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    My comments are directed to self-entitled, whining, complaining Yankee fans. Sorry if you don’t get it. The world is a lot bigger than you and lohud, and the Yankees make decisions based on more than you and lohud, so when you constantly talk about the Yankee organization’s direction and I make any observation about what they pay attention to, trust me, its a lot greater than this little enclave.

  110. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Lohud theme, at least on January 3, for 2013: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyFyAqLtHq8 .

  111. bruceb January 2nd, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    WOW!!! Mike Fran can’t stand Rex

    I think the hatred is mutual. Rex is an ESPN guy and rarely talks to Francesa or anyone on WFAN for that matter. Francesa won’t be satisfied until he has run Ryan out of town, which should happen some time in the next 12 months.

  112. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:05 pm
    joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 5:03 pm
    luis January 2nd, 2013 at 4:58 pm
    Hello again,

    About Gardner…. If he is healthy, he will have a very good year… Somewhere around 270-280 avg/ 360-380OBP, over 100 runs scored and 40 to 50 SB… Is he our long term solution?…No, but he will hold the fort for either Heathcott or Williams arrival… So he does have value for us.
    ——————————
    those look like Bourn #’s to me

    ———————

    Pretty much, at a fraction of Bourn’s cost

    —————————————-
    the cost part wasn’t the point but OK..if he gets .275..100..370 OBP..45 SB which should come out to about 180 hits with about 580 AB’s that would be pretty nice

  113. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    bruceb January 2nd, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    WOW!!! Mike Fran can’t stand Rex

    I think the hatred is mutual. Rex is an ESPN guy and rarely talks to Francesa or anyone on WFAN for that matter. Francesa won’t be satisfied until he has run Ryan out of town, which should happen some time in the next 12 months
    ———————
    rumor has it that the next GM will do it sooner

  114. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    “And yes, their plan with Archer is exactly what I’m talking about.”

    shame-

    i have a weird baseball background that doesn’t go that deep on the pro level because i was after all an amateur crashing the pro game, but i got to know some people who are pretty solid baseball people. every now and then i get an insight from one of these people. this was one of those times.

    it’s kind of ironic that cashman fired allen and allen comes back to have a key role with the team known for it’s pitching development.

    so who knows more about pitching development, allen or cashman?

    if results matter, how does cashman fire guys who become valuable to the enemy and still have a job?

    aren’t the guys who gets fired supposed to be failures after that. if they aren’t, what does that say about the boss who fires the guy?

    maybe the wrong guy got fired :)

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 2nd, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    On the other hand, you don’t seem me crying a river whenever shots are taken at “upbeat posters”, “pollyannas”, and all the other charming names for the group of which I am a part. The observations of faceless posters on an internet forum are the least of my worries in life.

  116. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    You’re really trying to tell me you’ve come here to address a giant faction of fans that….. aren’t here?! Just cop to the fact that you’re referencing actual posters and their opinions. Doing that ‘who me?’ stuff is pretty childish.

  117. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    austin,
    He was probably around 65, and I was about 16. My old man had his restaurant on 8th Avenue as a client. Dempsey was a charming man.

  118. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Mr Tom….Good one, lol.

  119. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 2nd, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    On the other hand, you don’t seem me crying a river whenever shots are taken at “upbeat posters”, “pollyannas”, and all the other charming names for the group of which I am a part.

    ————-

    No one is ever referencing you, trisha, they’re referencing all the other pollyanna fans out there that don’t stop in here :D

  120. Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    You’re out of order, this WHOLE BLOG IS OUT OF ORDER!!

    :lol:

  121. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    maybe the wrong guy got fired

    —————-

    You know?…. We all make mistakes, but when the mistakes become the trend, like in Mr Cashman’s case…I think you are on to something here.

  122. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Trisha,

    Shame is one of the nicest bloggers we have. Now, she is another poster you have told to ignore you. Consider, if you will, the way you say things offend others who are merely expressing opinions a outs the team they love.

    As I said previously, saying things suggesting you are better than others has no place on a board any more than in society. Disagree with our opinions. You may well be justified.

    I ask that you do so without insulting. Others should certainly do the same toward you.

    We all love the team. This board should give us some fun while the interminable off season proceeds.

    This is not meant to be a lecture. I just ask you to consider it. We all need more friends, even on a blog.

  123. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    “You know?…. We all make mistakes, but when the mistakes become the trend, like in Mr Cashman’s case…I think you are on to something here.”

    It’s not like Cashman has done a bad job, he’s done ok, just not great, and sometimes, after a long tenure, it’s time for fresh eyes. It’s well past that time.

  124. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    bruceb January 2nd, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    WOW!!! Mike Fran can’t stand Rex
    =====================
    Bruce from Bayside?

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 2nd, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Shame – shove it. I owe you nothing. And that’s exactly what you’re going to get. So from now on if I make a negative observation, consider yourself exempted because you truly just disappeared.

    And yes, toots, at times I am referencing posters and their opinions but in a very generic sense since there are many posters on this forum who complain. You’re not that important to me that I pay attention to all of your posts and opinions. Nobody here is.

    See ya now.

  126. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Mister mick,
    If you stuck it out to the end, you’ll notice there’s a hint of salvation there, too.

  127. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    “Shame is one of the nicest bloggers we have”

    And a smart one. If anyone doesn’t recognize that, it reflects poorly on them, not Shame.

  128. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Joeman,

    I know you weren’t referencing to the cost, but I think you have to take it in to account to assess Gardy’s value. Maybe he gets injured again and you are right. But if he is healthy he can be as good as Bourne for a fraction of the cost. And that certainly brings Gardner’s value up.

  129. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 5:01 pm
    mick January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    “If this team were operating on any type of long term plan, we’d be able to see that. Teams aren’t successful by planning on a year to year basis. You can’t be successful long term by operating that way.” Shame

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnFZsrs32Co

    —————-

    I still don’t get it.. I live LIFE differently than I view baseball.

    We need to stop equating important things like life to not-at-all important things like baseball. We all love the game, but it’s not the end all be all. It’s a GAME, which is why it’s so much fun to discuss it.

    That’s why we don’t discuss things like politics on here.. because that type of talk does effect important things in life.
    ————————-

    +100000000

  130. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Testy in here.

  131. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    mr tom

    how do you know i didn’t?

    i didn’t…

  132. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Shame on anybody for not liking Shame

  133. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    blake, FTW.

  134. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    “You know?…. We all make mistakes, but when the mistakes become the trend, like in Mr Cashman’s case…I think you are on to something here.”

    It’s not like Cashman has done a bad job, he’s done ok, just not great, and sometimes, after a long tenure, it’s time for fresh eyes. It’s well past that time.

    ///////

    This is a better way to put it

  135. bruceb January 2nd, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Mick

    Bruce from Bayside?

    No. Bruce from Bayside is a WFAN legend. I’m Bruce from CT and I’m afraid I’m not even a legend in my own lunchtime!

  136. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    The world is a lot bigger than you and lohud,

    —————————–

    Of course in the end this is just an escape. Obviously there are things bigger than baseball

  137. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    Shame-
    Didn’t mean that as a putdown.
    Just saying Yanks might not be planning well, or they might be, we can’t be sure till the future arrives.
    Equating living for today to spending 12m on Youkilis…

  138. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Tom,

    My parents lived in New York during Dempsey’s peak. Everyone loved him. He was on par with the Babe.

  139. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    mick,
    Somehow, I just knew!

  140. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    austin, I don’t see anyone causing a huge uproar when G. Love goes on endlessly about “kool aid drinkers”, “pollyannas” and the other variety of pejoratives he loves to throw around. And he’s not the only one.

    So why the uproar about complainers and whiners? What, they don’t exist?

    “Consider, if you will, the way you say things offend others who are merely expressing opinions abouts the team they love.”

    But I do remember Shame once suggesting that fans like her were actually better fans because they cared about the team, as opposed to us who just accept everything.

    I guess offending others is judged by which side of the fence you live on.

    Now I’m done with this nonsense.

  141. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    blake January 2nd, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    Shame on anybody for not liking Shame

    ————————–

    How could anyone not like the Darth Queen of Team Greedy. :D

  142. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 pm
    Shame Spencer January 2nd, 2013 at 5:01 pm
    mick January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    “If this team were operating on any type of long term plan, we’d be able to see that. Teams aren’t successful by planning on a year to year basis. You can’t be successful long term by operating that way.” Shame

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnFZsrs32Co

    —————-

    I still don’t get it.. I live LIFE differently than I view baseball.

    We need to stop equating important things like life to not-at-all important things like baseball. We all love the game, but it’s not the end all be all. It’s a GAME, which is why it’s so much fun to discuss it.

    That’s why we don’t discuss things like politics on here.. because that type of talk does effect important things in life.
    ————————-

    +100000000

    /////////

    +2

  143. bruceb January 2nd, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    It’s like The Real Housewives of New Jersey in here today. I’ll just put my apron on and dry the dishes.

  144. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Testy in here.
    ========================
    This is what happens when someone calls someone else something that is condescending.

  145. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    “My parents lived in New York during Dempsey’s peak. Everyone loved him. He was on par with the Babe.”

    I got his autograph as a very small child. I had no idea who he was, but I can recall him be very nice to me.

  146. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    I don’t want to get in to this…But I think Shame is one of the nicest, funniest and a very smart poster… And my team’s president!!!!!

  147. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 pm
    “Shame is one of the nicest bloggers we have”

    And a smart one. If anyone doesn’t recognize that, it reflects poorly on them, not Shame
    —————————————
    if I may ..spot on

  148. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    I would prefer with disagree about baseball related issues rather than getting personal. We are all, in a manner of speaking, on the same team.

    I do think the Yankee brass are a bunch of dolts if they don’t add a good right handed bat. Ah, now I feel better.

  149. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    I enjoy trisha..also

  150. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Rich,

    Did you keep the autograph or did it go the way of all my childhood items?

  151. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    mick,
    Somehow, I just knew!
    ==================
    tom,
    well you picked the 8 minute version.
    next time keep it around 2 mins.

  152. blake January 2nd, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Shame only wants to buy all the players and destroy the completion …. What’s wrong with that ?

  153. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    I would prefer with disagree about baseball related issues rather than getting personal. We are all, in a manner of speaking, on the same team.

    I do think the Yankee brass are a bunch of dolts if they don’t add a good right handed bat. Ah, now I feel better.

    //////

    They are talking about bringing someone out of retirement for that job. ;)

  154. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    They are talking about bringing someone out of retirement for that job.
    ========================
    Posada?

  155. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    austinmac

    I still have it!

  156. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Mike talking about the Victor Cruz 99 yard run .
    Saying the Jets have not recovered…
    He goes for the jugular.
    How dare Rex not speak to him?
    One thing about Mike.
    He can spot a phony a mile away…

  157. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:38 pm
    They are talking about bringing someone out of retirement for that job.
    ========================
    Posada?

    /////

    Nah! He can’t catch and he is on the wrong age bracket ;)

  158. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    I have nothing against Shame, but I think Trisha is one of the nicest people I know & she truly is a Yankee fan & she bleeds Yankee blood everytime the Yankees lose or fail. She chooses much like Abraham Lincoln once said to be happy!

  159. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Nah! He can’t catch and he is on the wrong age bracket
    ================================
    DH him!

  160. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Rich,

    Good for you. It irritates me to see my toys being sold for hundred times original cost. Yes, that does suggest the toys and me are old.

  161. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    As my esteemed fellow poster YF would say…. Let’s stick to baseball guys.

  162. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    haven’t seen to many tweets by Jaba ….must be in the gym adding muscle

  163. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    austinmac

    I got rid of bunch of stuff that I wish I kept when my parents moved out of our house where I spent my childhood in the ’80s, but I still have most of my sports stuff, although the signatures on my autographed baseballs have largely faded.

    Age is relative, right?

  164. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    “Of course in the end this is just an escape. ”

    not to mention a bad habit too.

    what kind of fool spends as much time as we do and gets paid nothing.

    my only conclusion is that people sometimes would rather be doing anything than what they are supposed to be doing.

    baseball is a grand diversion.

    a baseball blog is that diversion on steroids.

  165. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    joba has taken to he gym to work on his trampolining skills…

  166. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    my only conclusion is that people sometimes would rather be doing anything than what they are supposed to be doing.
    ================
    isn’t this what we are supposed to be doing?

  167. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    mister mick,
    There’s enough condescension in here to fill an ark with matching opposites. I’m honest about it: I don’t have the in depth knowledge of the stats people, for whatever that’s worth, I don’t see the prospects play with any regularity (above low A), but thank the Lord for MLB.tv, I do watch the Yankees play almost every day, from Spring Training through to whenever their season ends. I don’t comment on how Cashman’s newspaper pictures appear, nor on how his personal life works out. I don’t try to psychoanalyze or fiscally parse what the ownership’s motives are. I just watch games. Works for me.

  168. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    “She chooses much like Abraham Lincoln once said to be happy!”

    Yet Lincoln battled melancholia (deep depression) for much of his life.

    Anyway, Spielberg’s movie is beyond great if anyone here is looking for a diversion.

  169. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    What makes a Blog great is diversity. If it is all of one persuasion then it becomes a monotony or a self agrandizement! I like LoHud because it is a large group of pasionate Yankee fans who like any group have differing opinions & different levels of skin layers!

    My friend GB7 had told me to shove my ideas before, but I always looked forward to reading his words. (Didn’t always agree with them or their tone, but I respected him anyway!)

    If I say something stupid I want to hear about it! LOL! If someone has something opposing what I say I want to hear about it too.

    Whatever I have posted in past or future is not personal, it is Yankee related opinion (mine) only! (Unless documented!)

    Group Hug Anyone? I don’t mean to belittle anyone ever!

  170. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    baseball is a grand diversion.

    a baseball blog is that diversion on steroids.
    ============================
    what other sport holds up as well in their off season?

  171. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Mr Tom,

    Well said.

    It is the opiate of the people.

  172. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    mick-

    all kidding aside, try going cold turkey and not even looking at the blog for a week.

    this blog clearly has addictive qualities.

  173. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Lincoln actually said people are about as happy as they make up their minds to be. Perhaps he learned a lot along the way!

    I still haven’t seen the movie & I truly want to see it!

  174. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    “Of course in the end this is just an escape. ”

    not to mention a bad habit too.

    what kind of fool spends as much time as we do and gets paid nothing.

    my only conclusion is that people sometimes would rather be doing anything than what they are supposed to be doing.

    baseball is a grand diversion.

    a baseball blog is that diversion on steroids.

    ——————–

    Very well said.

    We spend countless hours on here coming with trade scenarios that may never happen, breaking down the payroll, discussing positions that prospects might grab a hold of, etc. This is a break from real life. Of course this is more serious than the fiscal cliff or the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary.

  175. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm
    What makes a Blog great is diversity. If it is all of one persuasion then it becomes a monotony or a self agrandizement! I like LoHud because it is a large group of pasionate Yankee fans who like any group have differing opinions & different levels of skin layers!

    My friend GB7 had told me to shove my ideas before, but I always looked forward to reading his words. (Didn’t always agree with them or their tone, but I respected him anyway!)

    If I say something stupid I want to hear about it! LOL! If someone has something opposing what I say I want to hear about it too.

    Whatever I have posted in past or future is not personal, it is Yankee related opinion (mine) only! (Unless documented!)

    Group Hug Anyone? I don’t mean to belittle anyone ever!

    //////

    This is a very good post. +1

  176. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    You are right Randy!

  177. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    what other sport holds up as well in their off season?

    ———————-

    Maybe football. Baseball fans talk about the upcoming off season during the season lol.

  178. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Ray,

    I’d give you a hug, but it’s too darn cold up there. My son hit the road today moving to Boston. Yikes. Maybe I’ll spend a small fortune a try to catch a Yankee game there.

  179. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    all kidding aside, try going cold turkey and not even looking at the blog for a week.

    this blog clearly has addictive qualities.
    =============================
    randy
    this is my ongoing reading material these days.
    not to mention my only outlet for writing, not including emails.
    i find the human element here more than other blogs.
    maybe its the real time element.

  180. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Maybe football. Baseball fans talk about the upcoming off season during the season lol.
    =====================
    never thought of that.
    the off season more popular than the in season?
    hmmmm….

  181. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    AAO,

    Good observation about baseball fans talking bout the next off season during the season. We need help.

  182. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    I consider myself very lucky, since after the MLB season, I get to watch three months of winter league baseball. So like golf, I get to play it or watch it year round. :D

    But I must confess that the blog gives a more meaningful spice to the game it self.

  183. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    “I just watch games. Works for me.”

    well , there’s those little editorial comments like the funeral march link.

    you don’t exactly just watch the games :)

  184. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Mick,

    Strangely enough I enjoy the people and the banter. Plus, I learn a lot about baseball stuff.

  185. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    Is there any blog out there that has this real time element?

  186. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Rich, we’re glad to have to back from the other side.

  187. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Mac

    How could you not enjoy the soap opera that is the LoHud?
    I mean…what is better than a cat fight?
    how do they say it? reirrrrrrrr…..

  188. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Mick,

    For the record, while smiling at the thought of it, I reject any inappropriate cat fight references.

  189. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    “i find the human element here more than other blogs.
    maybe its the real time element.”

    mick-

    this blog clearly does something right with it’s format.

    there’s more going on here than meets the eye.

    one thing it does is go on when we’re not here.

    i once used to play some serious two person beach volleyball in florida and one thing i liked was that the game was always going on. you could be gone for months and show up and the games on court one would be going on.
    no need to make an appt or reservation.
    just show up and compete.

  190. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Maybe I’ll spend a small fortune a try to catch a Yankee game there.
    ======================
    If you haven’t done it, it is required living.
    Take a short walk around the entire park, inside and out.
    Takes a few minutes…
    Try to take the pre-game tour on the field.
    Ask the tour guide why they rearranged the retired #’s…
    They asked me what they stood for and I said the last time you won a world series.

  191. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    austinmac
    Rich, we’re glad to have to back from the other side.
    _

    I’m not sure what side, but thank you.

  192. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    austinmac
    Rich, we’re glad to have to back from the other side.
    _

    I’m not sure what side, but thank you.

    ———————————–

    He’s referring to RAB and your sparring bouts with Ted Nelson :)

  193. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    i once used to play some serious two person beach volleyball in florida and one thing i liked was that the game was always going on. you could be gone for months and show up and the games on court one would be going on.
    no need to make an appt or reservation.
    just show up and compete.
    =============================
    this place reminds me of when i was a teenager and we had a game every night, either baseball after school or basketball. we’d come down, play the game, then sit around and shoot the sh!t afterwards. it was as important as the game.

  194. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    randy,
    I thought you were cold turkey! But the dirge does describe the atmosphere in here, strangely similar to last year at this time. I don’t just watch the games, I read this place, too. (I don’t own any smileys, or I’d put one here)

  195. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    I live in Charlotte NC area & it is pretty warm here! LOL! So do I get the hug? LOL!

  196. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    I think Mac is referring that we heard that you were posting on RAB… Even though I like RAB’s articles, their posting method is kind of slow, same thing with Yankeeanalysts. In here you have real time interaction, which I find very exciting and interesting

  197. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 5:56 pm
    AAO,

    Good observation about baseball fans talking bout the next off season during the season. We need help.

    ———————-

    Serious help and it’s not just this past season but previous ones as well. I wasn’t on here at the time but on another board the CC talk started in May/June of 08 wtf lol.

  198. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    For the record, while smiling at the thought of it, I reject any inappropriate cat fight references.
    ===============================
    Your smile means you enjoy it.

  199. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Even though I like RAB’s articles, their posting method is kind of slow, same thing with Yankeeanalysts

    ———————–

    You should read what they think about us lol.

  200. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    “He’s referring to RAB and your sparring bouts with Ted Nelson ”

    Ohhhh.

    I suspect that Ted Nelson is either: 1) Cashman posting while extremely drunk; or 2) Someone who receives a monthly check from him.

  201. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    You should read what they think about us lol.
    ===========================
    we have more fun here.

  202. ron January 2nd, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    Chad wrote that the indians traded choo for a potential frontline pitcher,and more,and signed swisher to replace him,and they are in better shape by miles because of it.

    This is what the yankees should have done,and then signed hamilton.
    Hamilton was an absolute steal at 5/125.
    Cano would of gotten us 2 elite prospects,we more than replace the offense,and 5 years of hamilton is not nearly as bad as what cano will get.

  203. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    “He’s referring to RAB and your sparring bouts with Ted Nelson ”

    Ohhhh.

    I suspect that Ted Nelson is either: 1) Cashman posting while extremely drunk; or 2) Someone who receives a monthly check from him.

    ———————

    He is a die hard Cash supporter isn’t he. He makes the ppl on here seem like light weights when it comes to defending the FO and Cashman.

  204. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    AAO,

    We are a small curious group in this world who ponders such things as average annual value. We could call ourselves a think tank. It would make our factless opinions sound much more important.

  205. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    “you have to wanna be successful after you don’t have to be successful”
    Francesa just said that.

  206. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    LOL! That is funny & true!

  207. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Rich,

    That was my reference. Think about John Sebastian singing Welcome Back.

  208. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    mick January 2nd, 2013 at 6:11 pm
    You should read what they think about us lol.
    ===========================
    we have more fun here.
    ————————————————-
    We do know how to have a good time.

  209. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    this blog clearly does something right with it’s format.
    ====================================
    it’s basically a chat room in a bar room setting.

  210. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Thanks Luis! This is the way I truly feel!

  211. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Thanks again, austinmac.

  212. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    AAO,

    We are a small curious group in this world who ponders such things as average annual value. We could call ourselves a think tank. It would make our factless opinions sound much more important.

    ———————————–

    Think tank has a nice ring to it. It’s better than obsessed fans trying to improve their fav. team :)

  213. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Rich,

    Since your opinions tend to agree with mine I think you are smart.:)

  214. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Odds,

    I haven’t read their comments threads. I posted once on Yankeeanalysts in relation to Montero and got grilled by the poster that published the article. Still, he was never able to rebut my line of argument. But at least got an answer ;)

    I believe they must monitor the blogs to gauge the fans. So maybe that guy is on the Yankees payroll.

  215. RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    LOL! Funny but true! LOL!

  216. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    somebody email me when the next fight breaks out….

  217. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    By the way, the SEC is the best conference in football, but I hope Florida and Bama get pasted in the next couple of days.
    Signed, Dawg Fan.

    PS, Let’s go, Yanks!

  218. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    RayVT January 2nd, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    luis January 2nd, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    Thanks Luis! This is the way I truly feel!

    //////

    No need to thank me Ray…. I think your post summarizes the way we all should go about it in this blog… Again kudos for a very thoughtful post

  219. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Think tank is defined as an organization that performs research and advocates positions relating to such things as social issues.

    Several million Yankee fans have issues if they lose. We research and advocate. I believe we are all members of a think tank. You should feel a little better about yourself, as I do.

  220. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    David Guetta or Tiesto

  221. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    luis January 2nd, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    Odds,

    I haven’t read their comments threads. I posted once on Yankeeanalysts in relation to Montero and got grilled by the poster that published the article. Still, he was never able to rebut my line of argument. But at least got an answer

    I believe they must monitor the blogs to gauge the fans. So maybe that guy is on the Yankees payroll.

    ————————–

    Some of the posters on RAB have a problem with the commenters on here not talking about the article that’s posted or carrying on a convo from days ago or being extreme when it comes to a certain point of view. I like RAB for some of the articles they come up with but some of them I can do without like “What Went Wrong: Freddy Garcia “

  222. Against All Odds January 2nd, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    I love RABs confidence poll that comes out every Monday. That’s a nice way to gauge the present and future of the org.

  223. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Mick, you and your no capitals or punctuation! Is that better?

  224. austinmac January 2nd, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    AAO,

    I agree with your RAB feelings. The conversation here is preferable to me.

  225. UnKnown January 2nd, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Trixie comes in with several posts today after being dormant for most of the last several weeks and all of a sudden Mayhem ensued.

    Coincidence? Nah.

    The count is on to see how many people she runs off the blog this year.

    Bravo! Great show today everyone. I truly enjoyed it. Really funny. G Love and Shame Co-MVP’s. They are going to need a bigger trophy case soon.

  226. luis January 2nd, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Some of the posters on RAB have a problem with the commenters on here not talking about the article that’s posted or carrying on a convo from days ago or being extreme when it comes to a certain point of view. I like RAB for some of the articles they come up with but some of them I can do without like “What Went Wrong: Freddy Garcia “

    /////

    Then they are completely wrong…. Some posts (forgive me Chad et al) are not worth commenting, and some other bit of news have more staying power, so it’s natural that those themes are a recurring subject of discussion.

    About the title of the post in RAB… The only reason it went wrong is because their hesitation to put Phelps sooner on the rotation. ;) But I get your drift

  227. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    “somebody email me when the next fight breaks out….”

    Just keep watching your twitter feed…

  228. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    unkown,
    trisha is the antidote to the naysayers. She means it, she says it, she doesn’t hide behind an alias, and she’s a Yankee fan. What’s wrong with that? Drop out if you want, you won’t be missed.

  229. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    the blog should have an old timers day

    bring back posters like murphydog, sj44, rebecca, betsy, pollyannaporkchoppough, etc

  230. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    “trisha is the antidote to the naysayers”

    now that’s just plain stupid.

    trisha goes ballistic on a regular basis.

    did you see her rants on kuroda last year. or posada other years.

    give her credit for pugnaciousness , but for being positive or an antidote to naysayers, that’s just silly.

  231. tomingeorgia January 2nd, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    randy,
    Did you read your own posts about the same time? Opinions, everybody has one.

  232. Rich in NJ January 2nd, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    “…naysayers.”

    Pointing out critical realities isn’t nay-saying, it’s just reality, and there is no antidote to reality… other than fantasy.

  233. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    speaking of old timers day, check out the next thread….

  234. UnKnown January 2nd, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    tom – I’m good man. I’ve gotten into a ton of back and forth with her and I’m still here. Not planning on leaving. You seem on the other hand to constantly have problems with all the “naysayers” trying to figure out how to better the team. You come on here and try to discreetly make that known by of course making sure everyone knows you are just stating what kind of fan you are and that is simply all there is to it. Sure….
    You seem way more miserable with the material on this blog.

    So I will extend the same to you, feel free to beat it.

  235. joeman January 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    the blog should have an old timers day

    bring back posters like murphydog, sj44, rebecca, betsy, pollyannaporkchoppough, etc

    —————————
    let me toss WCYF in there

  236. mick January 2nd, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    let me toss WCYF in there
    ================
    wasn’t he tossed out?

  237. randy l. January 2nd, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    tomingeorgia-

    my position on kuroda was simply and watch and see. i had no opinion one way or the other.

    my position on hughes was i rooted for him. i thought the yankees should sign him when he was struggling and then send him back to triple if needed. i thought they should commit to him to make him a long term project.

    i think this whole thing of positiveness is kind of silly. it’s a false sense of honor people seem to use to make them feel good about themselves. it’s dumb.

  238. theREALkevin January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Ted Nelson huh? Time for me to go campaign for a job…


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