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Chris Dickerson designated for assignment

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 04, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

To make room for Russ Canzler on the 40-man roster, the Yankees have designated Chris Dickerson for assignment.

Dickerson might be a perfect fourth or fifth outfielder for most any other team, but the Yankees abundance of left-handed outfielders makes him redundant on this roster. He cleared waivers when the Yankees designated him last spring, but it’s hard to imagine that happening this time. The Yankees don’t have to put him on waivers right away and can spend roughly a week trying to trade him instead.

At 30 years old, Dickerson has some speed, can play all three outfield spots, and has proven himself against right-handed pitching. In Triple-A this year, he seemed to make a legitimate step forward against lefties, leading to a .316/.417/.515 slash line with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. He got a September call-up to New York where he hit .286/.412/.714 in limited at-bats. Dickerson might have made the postseason roster had Brett Gardner not come back from elbow surgery in time to play a role.

Essentially, Canzler fills a need — right-handed power, ability to play all four corners — which Dickerson does not. I would argue that Dickerson is the better player, but on this roster he’s not necessarily the better fit. I wrote a few weeks ago that it was basically inevitable Dickerson would be designated.

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176 Responses to “Chris Dickerson designated for assignment”

  1. Jerkface January 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    There goes our Stanton in…

  2. Jerkface January 4th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Not sure this is the best move, C-Dick has some skills.

  3. Shame Spencer January 4th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Okay, someone run the Dickerson vs. Canzler numbers so my girl brain can process.

  4. Shame Spencer January 4th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    JF – His numbers were really good when they let him play last year.. you would never expect him to sustain them but they were impressive enough that I thought he should get more playing time.

  5. Ys Guy January 4th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    jf, we had this same discussion yesterday about robertson.

    this is direct from garder’s BP page:”Service Time (01/2013): 4.072, Arb Eligible: 2014, Free Agent: 2015?

    same as for robertson who you said would be gone the year after next.

    am i reading this wrong? to me that means he’s an FA after the 2015 season.

  6. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Unfortunate but it makes sense. With three LH starting OFs Dickerson wasn’t going to be the fourth OF. He’s played well for the team when given the chance so hopefully he slips through waivers and can stay in the organization. Though I wouldn’t anticipate it.

    Shame – from the last thread, I don’t think any Morse deal is going to happen until the LaRoche deal settles itself. Kurt makes $6.5 mil this year and would be the BUC for the Nats so I think that they would be willing to deal him. Probably wouldn’t take more than Cevelli to get him either; simply because the Nats might be willing to take a hit in ability going from Kurt to Frankie to get someone who financially makes more sense as a BUC.

  7. Rich in NJ January 4th, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    I thought C-Dick (nice) should have been on the playoff roster, but apparently they thought he sucks.

  8. Jerkface January 4th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    As I told you yesterday, Free Agent: Year is the first year *IN WHICH THE PLAYER WILL BE A FREE AGENT*

    If you hover over the red asterisk next to the year it even says that: “year is for the offseason before that season.”

  9. randy l. January 4th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    “im no cervelli fan, im just trying to be fair to the guy.”

    the smart thing to do for the yankees if they have decided they don’t like him is to start him and let him get into an inevitable hot streak and then trade their “valuable” starting catcher.

    of course that would involve thinking ahead and having a clue.

    the yankees approach seems to be to spend five years developing a guy and then bad mouthing him and burying him so his value is zilch.

  10. Jerkface January 4th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    You could also look at the service time, which is 4, and know that if he spends 2 years on the team (2013,2014) he will then have 6 years of time and become a free agent :)

  11. The Return of Stoneburner January 4th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @jarnold231 @Mike92383 I think Phelps could do a solid job in the rotation if Hughes is a goner in 2014.

  12. Nick in SF January 4th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    re-post

    Shame, Cots has CC through 2016 with a vesting option for 2017:

    “2017 salary guaranteed if Sabathia 1) does not end 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury, 2) does not spend more than 45 days in 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury or 3) does not make more than six relief appearances in 2016 because of a left shoulder injury”

    Just four more years would be his original 7-year contract starting in 2009 and not counting the extension. My original question about CC was in response to what you said about Cano being the only $20MM player on the team in 3-4 years. CC will be there too (or not too if Cano is gone).

  13. The Return of Stoneburner January 4th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Yankeesource ?@YankeeSource
    @jarnold231 @Mike92383 I don’t think Cano leaves. Yankees cutting back on spending is to prepare the space to pay Cano.

    Can you build the 2014-2017 Yankees offense around Cano?

  14. The Return of Stoneburner January 4th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Can the Yanks go into 2014 with Ichiro, Gardner, Heathcott, and Austin manning the OF positions – - – -

  15. Jerkface January 4th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    At this point I’d actually rather not build the future offense around Cano. Ever since I saw that stuff about Cano’s actual hitting being half as valuable as what it should be, I’m willing to let him walk (if the Yankees are on a budget).

    Obviously if money were no object I’d keep him.

  16. Ys Guy January 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    thanks jf.

    who’s controlled through 2015 is important b/c this ‘getting under’ the LT thing is optimal only if you do it for 2 years. so we’re looking at 2014 and 2015 being under $189.

    gardner is still important to them to get them through this season and next. they can move granderson for another bat if they want if they have gardner ready to take over in CF. (which he might do this season anyway)

  17. Rich in NJ January 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Today’s moves are a further indication that they blew it with Maxwell.

  18. Jerkface January 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    They need to make a trade, because their 40 man is looking dicey for dropping anyone else before they can start putting people on the 60 day

  19. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Rich in NJ January 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Today’s moves are a further indication that they blew it with Maxwell.
    ———————-

    Jones over Maxwell was a huge mistake.

  20. Ys Guy January 4th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    i would trade cano (and hughes and granderson), but it sure looks like they will try to sign him in the offseason.

  21. Ys Guy January 4th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    jones over maxwell was a mistake. although almost everyone on here wanted him kept and ibanez tossed.

    still i don’t think maxwell is all that either.

  22. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Jerkface January 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    They need to make a trade, because their 40 man is looking dicey for dropping anyone else before they can start putting people on the 60 day
    —————-

    Agreed, they need a 2 or 3 for 1

  23. ac1 January 4th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    They really blew it with Maxwell.
    It was so short sighted to let him go and keep Jones.
    This is the problem with the new Yankees policy.
    They want to plan for the future, but don’t know how to look past the next year.

    I have a little hope that Oppenheimer’s comments mean we could actually see Heathcott starting in 2014. That would be a huge help moving forward.

  24. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    YS Guy -

    I don’t think Maxwell’s more than a RH fourth OF but that’s exactly what the Yankees need. He can play all three OF spots, hit for power against LHP and serve as a runner off the bench.

  25. ac1 January 4th, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    Corban Joseph and David Adams are no slouches in the system. If Cano leaves, I hope they get a shot. Once upon a time Cano was a little known prospect also and it turned out very well….

  26. ac1 January 4th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Is there any way Dickerson gets through waivers? I doubt it….

  27. Ys Guy January 4th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    maxwell also had missed time in 2 stints last season in keeping with his injury plagued career.

    not alot of people were predicting in ST the dropoff in smiley’s game that ended up occurring.

    i just can’t get that worked up over him being let go.

  28. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    ac1 January 4th, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    Is there any way Dickerson gets through waivers? I doubt it….
    —————-

    He did last year so you never know.

  29. The Return of Stoneburner January 4th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    If the Yanks let Cano go – who do you go with:

    1) Adams

    2) Joseph

    3) sign someone like Aaron Hill

    4) other option to be determined

  30. ac1 January 4th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    maxwell also had missed time in 2 stints last season in keeping with his injury plagued career.

    not alot of people were predicting in ST the dropoff in smiley’s game that ended up occurring.

    i just can’t get that worked up over him being let go.
    ___

    You are right, but he was a young guy who showed some promise. Jones was a back up AND not a long term solution. The idea of starting over every year is a bad policy. No way Cashman puts together a full team of 25 quality players when he needs 15 of them in the offseason each year. Next year if will also need to replace cano, granderson, hughes, joba plus the guys he brought back this year.

  31. ac1 January 4th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    maxwell also had missed time in 2 stints last season in keeping with his injury plagued career.

    not alot of people were predicting in ST the dropoff in smiley’s game that ended up occurring.

    i just can’t get that worked up over him being let go.
    _____

    If they stay healthy in 2013, i let CoJo and Adams fight it out.

  32. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    Honestly, there’s part of me that wishes the Yankees had kept Dickerson over Gardner.

  33. mick January 4th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    …another twitter addict off the board.

  34. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Stoneburner –

    There’s a chance you could see something like this:

    C – Romine
    1b – Tex
    2b – CoJo
    3b – Adams
    SS – Jeter
    LF – Austin
    CF – Heathcott
    RF – Ichiro
    DH – Alex

    I don’t think it’s a particularly likely scenario, but you could see it.

  35. blake January 4th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    “If the Yanks let Cano go – who do you go with:”

    depends on what the rest of the offense looks like…..it may not matter

  36. luis January 4th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Good evening,

    Probably Dickersoan was redundant. But he showed some promise last season. Now we are in full scrap heap swimming mode.

    Chip,

    Honestly… I would rather wait until Jeter is on the field…. Those ankle injuries are tricky

  37. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    I would really like for the Yankees to sign this Cuban SS. Baseball America describes him as having a good power and average bat as well as a good arm in the field. Look, we’ve seen nothing to suggest that Nunie can field at any position; wouldn’t hurt to have an insurance policy for Jeter who can actually play.

  38. blake January 4th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Bowden thinks Upton is definately moved

  39. Jerkface January 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    I would really like for the Yankees to sign this Cuban SS. Baseball America describes him as having a good power and average bat as well as a good arm in the field. Look, we’ve seen nothing to suggest that Nunie can field at any position; wouldn’t hurt to have an insurance policy for Jeter who can actually play.

    I don’t think he is a guy that will jump right to the majors, but I do want them to sign both as minor leaguers

  40. Ys Guy January 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    i think upton definitely will be moved, too. that doesn’t mean that the price will be worth it.

  41. blake January 4th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    @mikeaxisa: Got a chill down my spine. Then I thought of a Chris Dickerson for John Buck trade. Can’t be a coincidence.

    Buck probably hits too much for the Yanks at catcher

  42. Bo knows January 4th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    In baseball as in other pursuits – it’s what have you done lately. Well lately for Cashman is last year. which wasn’t that shabby. Judging by the venom and vituperation on here – just put him down, he has no redeeming value.

    I’ll repeat just a few things, A Rod and Soriano contracts – done despite Cashman. The three tack on years for A Rod were just totally insane. On a two years remaining contract they could even eat the money.

    The drafting dilemna – Both LA and Oppenheimer drafts were put on a strict budgets ie Culver and Bichette while other teams were loading up. All the Yankee drafts were HS players whereby you’re losing two years of development and gambling more.

    But hey, mobs generate their own momentum. It’s the chin drool that’s disgusting. You hate Cashman – I really, really hate Cashman. Oh yeah?

    Silly much….

  43. Rich in NJ January 4th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    But for Soriano, they don’t make the playoffs. He may have been signed for the wrong reasons, but Cashman has defended his actions overall by citing the fact that they made the playoffs last year.

    Teflon Cashman.

  44. blake January 4th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    Cashman has done a good job as Yankee GM (look at the scoreboard) and I’m definately in the camp that thinks Hal is pulling the puppet strings on a lot of these moves…..but at the same time he needs to stop talking….he comes off as arrogant and condescending….

  45. Rich in NJ January 4th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    I don’t think Cashman has done a good enough job given the players he inherited and the resources he has had to work with.

  46. RadioKev January 4th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    I never liked the way the Yankees handled Dickerson. Ichiro better deliver this season…

    However, looks like an oddly good pick up. What’s the catch?

  47. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    I think the Yanks should keep Cashman and make him the President of baseball ops….and then get a GM with experience operating on a budget and developing pitching….. Then get a new owner

  48. Bo knows January 4th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    but at the same time he needs to stop talking….he comes off as arrogant and condescending….
    ——————
    Yeah, I’ll agree with that.

  49. Rich in NJ January 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    I would save that presidency for Jeter.

  50. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    January 4, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    I don’t think Cashman has done a good enough job given the players he inherited and the resources he has had to work with.

    Yea but they have made the playoffs every year but one since 1995! You can’t buy the WS….you can buy a playoff birth with good decisions. The Cubs and mets and Sox have spent nearly as much a lot of years and watched from home in October.

    Cashman has made mistakes…..but you have to give him some credit IMO. I wish they could keep him and add another voice that specializes in budgets and player development

  51. The Return of Stoneburner January 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    The way I see it right now – five game changers probably need to happen:

    1) One of Heathcott/Austin/Flores/Williams needs to man one of the starting OF spots in 2014

    2) The Yanks will have to go in-house for their nos. 3-5 starters in 2014

    3) The Yanks will have to go in-house for their starting catcher in 2014

    4) The Yanks will have to go mostly in-house with their pen or find bargains

    5) The Yanks will have to go in-house for their bench or find bargains

    If these happen – and they are big IFs – and the nightmare #660 happens, and benefits for 15 million are calculated, and 7.5 million is added for the 15 other spots, and Jeter’s AAV comes in around 17 – the Yanks should have roughly 50 million for the following:

    2b, 3b/DH caddy for ARod, No. 2 starter, veteran RP/external backup closer

  52. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    January 4, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    I would save that presidency for Jeter.

    Jeter needs to be the magic johnson….the face of the organization

  53. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    @OldHossRadbourn: It is fun to be in the Hall of Fame but you need a bunch of idiots to put you there. In this respect it is very much like being President.

  54. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Jerkface January 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    I would really like for the Yankees to sign this Cuban SS. Baseball America describes him as having a good power and average bat as well as a good arm in the field. Look, we’ve seen nothing to suggest that Nunie can field at any position; wouldn’t hurt to have an insurance policy for Jeter who can actually play.

    I don’t think he is a guy that will jump right to the majors, but I do want them to sign both as minor leaguers
    ————–

    Yeah I agree he’s probably a year away but that’s pretty much where the Yankees would need him to be.

  55. Rich in NJ January 4th, 2013 at 6:11 pm

    “Yea but they have made the playoffs every year but one since 1995! You can’t buy the WS….you can buy a playoff birth with good decisions. The Cubs and mets and Sox have spent nearly as much a lot of years and watched from home in October.”

    Because of the foundation that Stick established. Jeter, Bernie, Pettitte, Mo, Posada. And then Tino, Cone, Boggs, O’Neill. All were there before Cashman took over.

    Who gets that kind of advantage and is able to claim credit? Only Cashman. And btw, Buck changed the culture of losing on this team.

    “Cashman has made mistakes…..but you have to give him some credit IMO. I wish they could keep him and add another voice that specializes in budgets and player development.”

    I do give him some credit. I have repeatedly said that he is an ok GM, just not great, and it’s time for a fresh set of eye throughout the organization.

    But I don’t think he has the character or the discretion to merit keeping on as president.

  56. luis January 4th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    Rich in NJ says:
    January 4, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    I don’t think Cashman has done a good enough job given the players he inherited and the resources he has had to work with.

    Yea but they have made the playoffs every year but one since 1995! You can’t buy the WS….you can buy a playoff birth with good decisions. The Cubs and mets and Sox have spent nearly as much a lot of years and watched from home in October.

    Cashman has made mistakes…..but you have to give him some credit IMO. I wish they could keep him and add another voice that specializes in budgets and player development

    /////

    He relied on the foundation left by Michaels…. His trade record is spotty ( some good, some real bad ones and some very shortsighted )… By now, the new core should have been in place and yet we have a very uncertain near future ahead…. Granted, developing is not easy or an exact science, but he hasn’t helped his case…. Too many knee jerk decisions

  57. Rich in NJ January 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    “Jeter needs to be the magic johnson….the face of the organization”

    If they don’t recognize that and let him buy-in to another franchise, I will try to convince myself to root for that other franchise.

  58. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Assuming LaRoche re-signs with Washington:

    Cervelli, Nunez, Flores for Morse and Suzuki?

  59. Bo knows January 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Well, the Yankees are a unique team. Even Boston can miss playoffs for a few years and still have fan support. Other teams cycle up and down. Cashman doesn’t have that option or at least hasn’t up till now.

    My greatest fear, as others such as YF have stated, is that he is forced by the suits to trade kids before time. Michael had a window without interference, I don’t think Cashman has any leeway. Other teams have more money, better management, access to more information. The days of the easy trades are gone. Much tougher environment.

  60. Nick in SF January 4th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    “Michael had a window without interference…”

    And some years of losing baseball. He was also not technically the GM from 1996 onwards, though of course he had laid the foundation and was still part of the organization until 2002.

  61. G. Love January 4th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    I’m sorry, but without Soriano Cashman has no division title and post season last year. When Mo went down, Robertsen showed he wasn’t 9th inning kind of guy and then also got injured. No Soriano there and this team wouldn’t have protected a lead to save their lives. The logic behind signing Soriano was very smart. He only cost money and he gave you Mo insurance who at his age needed insurance. It was smart to keep him in reserve.

    Now that Soriano opted out, you can’t give Cashman credit for not wanting him. He’s not on the team. His money is gone. Having him for the past 2 seasons did nothing to hurt the future of the franchise.

    As for Arod, if Cashman wants to pretend that 27.5 million a year is what’s stopping him from building from within, developing, knowing who to trade, etc. then that is a weak excuse. We carried Pavano, Jaret Wright & Igawa’s dead money for awhile (all Cashman signings I might add) and were still able to make big moves when we needed to.

    To sit there and chastise posters for being angry at Cashman because he had Soriano and Arod foisted on him is just silly. Those 2 players didn’t stop him from signing Cespedes, Aroldis, Yu Darvish. They didn’t cause him to trade Montero for an injured pitcher who wore down in the 2nd half of his only season in the majors. They didn’t cause him to run his minor league system with a brick wall between them and the Bronx.

    He’s had his autonomy and the only time he’s been usurped was to be handed a backup closer who pitched them to the playoffs last season & to sign the best 3b in baseball at the time.

    He’s done nothing to prepare for this day other than look forlorn and take shots at his critics to provide cover for his poor job performance. He’s in spin mode again and when he’s in that you can count the minutes until he gets linked to the Philly or Seattle GM jobs like his boys in the media do for him every time he’s negotiating a new deal. I beg the owners to not fall for that again and let him go.

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    This is the problem with the new Yankees policy.
    They want to plan for the future, but don’t know how to look past the next year.
    //

    Ac1,

    This is a very concise way of putting it.

    Cashman is fine bragging about how his farm is the future, but when the future arrives, they lose their stomach for development, which, they naively refuse to understand, does not stop when a youngster hits the majors (Joba Chamberlain).

  63. RadioKev January 4th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Rich in NJ January 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    “Jeter needs to be the magic johnson….the face of the organization”

    If they don’t recognize that and let him buy-in to another franchise, I will try to convince myself to root for that other franchise.
    ———

    Why does Jeter need to be the Magic Johnson? How does that help the organization? I’m curious.

  64. austinmac January 4th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    After reviewing Canler’s stats, I prefer Dickerson. That tells me he or Diaz are the likely RH options for the outfield or they wouldn’t exchange him for Dickerson.

    I don’t think Cashman has any money to spend. Hal has drawn the line and is holding Cashman’s feet to the fire.

    Cashman has publicly said there is no reason not to win with $189M. They are far above that this year. Hal expects him to do it or suffer the consequences of failure. That sense might explain Cashman’s testiness.

  65. mick January 4th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    Why are Swishers tweets still on the side page?

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    By the way, I keep trying to tell you guys: Corban Joseph just does not have the range or glove to be our 2B of the future.

    I love the kid’s bat – he’d be a great guy off the bench and he’s left-handed. He can really hit but he just is not good enough a defender.

    Adams is much better at 2nd than Cojo, but you will have to orient yourself to a much lower brand of defense, and I like Adams a great deal as a hitter and overall player. Not getting transcendent defense from him, like you do from Robinson Cano, who will certainly go down as the greatest 2B in Yankee history.

  67. luis January 4th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Primo!

    Happy new year!

  68. austinmac January 4th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    We are losing the tweeters, Swisher and Dickerson. I will say Dickerson could be funny.

  69. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Chip says:
    January 4, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    Assuming LaRoche re-signs with Washington:

    Cervelli, Nunez, Flores for Morse and Suzuki?

    Is Suzuki better than Cervelli?

  70. Against All Odds January 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    Why does Jeter need to be the Magic Johnson? How does that help the organization? I’m curious.

    ———————–

    He’ll take over for Reggie as the spokesman of the organization. Yrs from now when Jeter reties his legacy will only grow and get bigger. It will be hey I remember when Jeter came up with this hit or when he made this play. He’s going t be the greatest living Yankee when the legends of the past are no longer with us. He’s already one of the most popular.

  71. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    “But I don’t think he has the character or the discretion to merit keeping on as president.”

    Figure head dumpster diver?

  72. luis January 4th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Blake,

    Yup… Suzuki is better than Cervi…. But I wouldn’t trade Nunez or Flores for them though.

  73. LGY January 4th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    At this point I’d actually rather not build the future offense around Cano. Ever since I saw that stuff about Cano’s actual hitting being half as valuable as what it should be, I’m willing to let him walk (if the Yankees are on a budget).

    ——–

    I missed this. Have a link?

  74. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    “To sit there and chastise posters for being angry at Cashman because he had Soriano and Arod foisted on him is just silly. Those 2 players didn’t stop him from signing Cespedes, Aroldis, Yu Darvish”

    Hal did…,Hal is the enemy

  75. The Return of Stoneburner January 4th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    If the Yanks did acquire Morse – would you offer him a QO if he had a similar season to 2011 or 2012?

  76. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    luis says:
    January 4, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    Blake,

    Yup… Suzuki is better than Cervi…. But I wouldn’t trade Nunez or Flores for them though.

    Id probably do Logan instead if I got morse too

  77. The Return of Stoneburner January 4th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Rob Manfred, MLB’s executive VP of labor relations, told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that he’s not ready to say baseball’s collective bargaining agreement needs changes. While the CBA appears to have limited the market for certain players who declined qualifying offers, Manfred says it’s still early. “I’m not inclined to get into a discussion about changing an agreement when it hasn’t even operated for a full year.” As Rosenthal points out, draft pick compensation places an artificial burden on free agents.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#64FJq6EME8wvsDyi.99

  78. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    January 4, 2013 at 6:40 pm
    If the Yanks did acquire Morse – would you offer him a QO if he had a similar season to 2011 or 2012?

    Probably but it really depends on how he plays and whether he’d put them over 189ageddeon if he accepted

  79. Bo knows January 4th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Those 2 players didn’t stop him from signing Cespedes, Aroldis, Yu Darvish.

    ————————–
    Ahem – I think those three were above Cashman’s pay scale.

    As to signing the best 3B in baseball to a ten year contract at age 33 when A Rod had to beg the team for meetings is at the least questionable. It’s not like teams were lined up to sign A Rod.

    I do question his so called autonomy. Doesn’t sound that way to me. He could not make trades at the last winter meetings.

    The minor system brick wall is a little porous. Nova and Phelps come to mind

    I’d like a little balance in assessing Cashman. His competitor parachuted out of Boston. Gillicks successor is down and out, the rest don’t qualify.

  80. RadioKev January 4th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Oh, Cano. I honestly don’t feel comfortable building the offense around him. He’s been inconsistent with RISP several years in his career.

    Great player, but we’ve seen him struggle under pressure. Home Run Derby, anyone?

  81. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:43 pm


    Why does Jeter need to be the Magic Johnson? How does that help the organization? I’m curious.”

    It’s called marketing

  82. Against All Odds January 4th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Several yrs in his career???

  83. tomingeorgia January 4th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Shame asked in the last string, “or whatever old men do.” I try to make a living, spend too much time here, then try to find something to cheer me up from all the doom and gloom and the personal assaults on the players and management of a team I’ve rooted for for way too long not to any more. I don’t know what to say.

    Every move they do make is greeted with derision, every move they don’t make is due to the owner’s greed, or shortsightedness. Anybody who’s ever done business knows that player’s contracts are a wasting asset, subject to depreciation on a tax return, like a new roof. Know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em, is the trick. All I know is that I AM going to live to see number 28, the same as those folks who stay alive until they reach 100 years and one day of age. Might even be this year.

  84. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    G Love,

    I have a hard time knowing how much blame to put on Cashman without knowing Hals true role…..my feeling is that Hal really limits him these days and has tightened the screws on him and his operation …..

    If your source is accurate then him holding Cash to his Romine projection even though he hurt his back is kinda evidence

  85. luis January 4th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Cano is and will be a very especial player that I would love to keep and build around…. The problem is, will they be able to afford him? Or will he give a local discount either in money or years in order to stay?

  86. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    @KenDavidoff: The #Yankees are interested in Lance Berkman, but it’s not clear whether he’d consider a return to NY given the Texas teams’ involvement.

  87. RadioKev January 4th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Why does Jeter need to be the Magic Johnson? How does that help the organization? I’m curious.”

    It’s called marketing
    ———–

    Winning is the Yankees marketing. The Dodgers sure needed Johnson to make that team relevant. I can only hope the Yankees won’t be in the position by the time Jeter retires.

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    Rich in NJ January 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    “Jeter needs to be the magic johnson….the face of the organization”

    If they don’t recognize that and let him buy-in to another franchise, I will try to convince myself to root for that other franchise.
    ////

    George recognized it. I don’t know about his sons. Madden said in his article that Hal “hates the players.” If so, hopefully his sense of PR isn’t distorted by that hatred. It’s funny; they say all sorts of crap when it suits them. But Jeter really believes in the whole being a Yankee business. The guy told people at age five he was going to be the Yankee short stop. You don’t let that walk.

  89. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    luis says:
    January 4, 2013 at 6:47 pm
    Cano is and will be a very especial player that I would love to keep and build around…. The problem is, will they be able to afford him? Or will he give a local discount either in money or years in order to stay?

    Yea he is….but so was Vlad and he was done at 35…. Some of that was cause of his back and some of it was cause he swung at everything and age generally isn’t kind to those guys….Cano will be 31 when he signs his FA deal

  90. RadioKev January 4th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
    @KenDavidoff: The #Yankees are interested in Lance Berkman, but it’s not clear whether he’d consider a return to NY given the Texas teams’ involvement.
    ——

    We’re going to get Lance Berkman for his two worst seasons?

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    I miss Matsui :(

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    luis January 4th, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Primo!

    Happy new year!
    //

    Hermano! :D

    Same to you. So sorry I missed you this time out this way. Come back and we’ll go see Heathcott and Flores in Trenton! (Yankeefem will come too, of course). :D

  93. luis January 4th, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Good point Blake…. Still, Cano’s swing mechanics are flawless, so I think if he gets more selective he will age fine…. But you have a very valid point, history is not on his side in relation to age…. Most 2nd baseman are done by the age of 35.

  94. Against All Odds January 4th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    RadioKev January 4th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Why does Jeter need to be the Magic Johnson? How does that help the organization? I’m curious.”

    It’s called marketing
    ———–

    Winning is the Yankees marketing. The Dodgers sure needed Johnson to make that team relevant. I can only hope the Yankees won’t be in the position by the time Jeter retires.
    —————-

    They will most likely. Many of their legends are getting older. Someone is going to have to carry the torch

  95. Jerkface January 4th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    I missed this. Have a link?

    I talked about it on here, but I didn’t have a link persay. I had one to the excel numbers, but anyways it was looking at Cano’s hits/outs in their completely neutral sense (how much is 100 singles, 30 doubles, 30 hrs worth, etc) and then using I think RE24 to compare the actual results. RE24 looks at each hit/out in context of runners on base & numbers of outs and credits or debits runs. Cano has one of the biggest discrepancies between expected production (first calc) & actual (Re24). Guys like Beltran actually do better than expected. A-rod & Jeter were neutral.

  96. luis January 4th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    I am still in NY… But going home tomorrow afternoon :( … But yeah, I am game for that! Probably for either May or June

  97. blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    Id like Lancelot ok I guess at DH….but he doesn’t hit right handed very well anymore even before he got hurt again…..they should aim higher

  98. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    I think most of the stats suggest the Yankees should have signed Beltran both times they passed on him

  99. G. Love January 4th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    blake,

    I definitely think the checkbook and credit cards have been taken away from Cashman…but it shouldn’t have come to that. It’s like a parent with a child or a spouse with another spouse.

    All this says to me is Cashman thought it was just bluster that his boss was going to hold his feet to the fire and hold him to his word about players he told them were sure things.

    He didn’t prepare for this day. He could’ve gone to his boss and said “let’s trade Swisher/Grandy/Cano” etc to acquire young cost controlled assets to set us up long term. Instead he does this ridiculously myopic one player at a time negotiating nonsense where he is unable to multi-task. He just lets assets walk away for single draft picks when he hasn’t exactly been finding gold in the 1st round of late.

    And now he’s petulant because fans with brains were frustrated with .230 hitters with power littered throughout the lineup last season which explained why this team went into scoring droughts so often.

    What Hal’s doing budget wise is wrong. His family charge a king’s ransom to support this team. They have an obligation started by their Dad who handed this all to them to go the extra mile because the fans have been willing to do that in tandem with them.

    Still, Cashman has had years to prepare for this eventual day. He’s had oppotunities galore to chase young impact players on the International market and in trade scenarios.

    I don’t think he has a baseball mind. I don’t think he can self scout at all.

    And I still think back to him & Theo doing their traveling GM roadshow years ago with Gammons tooting their horns for how they had the most money and the best prospects and development in the game.

    Now Theo’s in Chicago & we’re still waiting for this new core they were patting one another on the back over developing.

  100. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    Thanks Darren Oliver for making me re-evaluate why I spend any energy over the drug of baseball – you’re just not worth it. Sorry, people, I’m just not in better spirits about this sports thing.

  101. Bo knows January 4th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    The greatest GM in my time was Pat Gillick, built three teams, who all fell apart on his departure. I was a big fan of Towers, he’s doing a lot of silly things right now. Did he lose his mind recently? To my mind Cashman’s situation is unique in that he has to balance this year and the future at all times while battling the spreadsheet mentality.

    I don’t think he can do it indefinitely, too many variances out of his control, so he does have a short shelf life. He’s been working on an imposed cutoff financially for the last three years. I don’t think he will survive the coming swoon. So to all the critics, your wish will be granted within the next two years if not sooner. There is a power struggle going on and Cash is not the winning side at this time.

  102. austinmac January 4th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Berkman doesn’t hit much right handed, but if healthy, he can really hit left handed. Lance, come hang out with guys your own age.

  103. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Luis,

    Cano’s swing is very solid….he’s keeps the bat in the zone a long time and he has great bat speed…. however he swings at a lot of pitches he shouldn’t and as the bat speed starts to go then those will turn into more and more ground ball outs most likely unless he changes…..probably wont start for a couple more seasons but honesty I could see Robbie start to decline a bit at 33 and then drop off a cliff at 35 or 36.

  104. Bo knows January 4th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    And I still think back to him & Theo doing their traveling GM roadshow years ago with Gammons tooting their horns for how they had the most money and the best prospects and development in the game.

    Now Theo’s in Chicago & we’re still waiting for this new core they were patting one another on the back over developing.

    ———————
    There’s why I value your input. Well said.

  105. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    luis January 4th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    I am still in NY… But going home tomorrow afternoon :( … But yeah, I am game for that! Probably for either May or June
    ///

    You got it, primo: May or June it is. Come when they’re on a home skein :D

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    jmills!

    Good even, sir. Still digesting that brilliant essay on social interactions.

  107. austinmac January 4th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    To me, a swing is about two main things. Short to the ball and long through the zone. Understand I have spent a small fortune on batting lessons. Cano does both beautifully. When he is patient, he is the best.

    On the other hand, Teixiera’s bat left handed goes through the zone at one spot as he uppercuts through it. Has he always been this much of an upper cutter?

  108. luis January 4th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Blake,

    If he doesn’t get more selective, you are probably spot on. And this is why I would not extend him for more than 6 years.

  109. Bo knows January 4th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    I think most of the stats suggest the Yankees should have signed Beltran both times they passed on him

    ————————

    Yep, there was a lot of snarling and caterwauling in this houshold as in “Don’t talk to him, the Yankees passed on Beltran”.

    As in “Sign Beltran, trade Swisher and filler, win win.

  110. theREALkevin January 4th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    I think the short porch has corrupted Tex’s swing. He used to be a better hitter for average. Either that or HR obsessed Cashman ordered him to go full on hairy monster with his swing and it wasn’t Tex’s choice.

  111. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    I definitely think the checkbook and credit cards have been taken away from Cashman…but it shouldn’t have come to that. It’s like a parent with a child or a spouse with another spouse.”

    Yea but it’s like giving a 16 year old a Ferrari as their first car then 2 years later takin it away and making them work to buy a pinto…..the kid is used to the Ferrari now

  112. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    blake January 4th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Chip says:
    January 4, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    Assuming LaRoche re-signs with Washington:

    Cervelli, Nunez, Flores for Morse and Suzuki?

    Is Suzuki better than Cervelli?
    —————

    Yes.

    Kurt is a major league catcher and Frankie is not.

    Suzuki had an awful, horrific, first half in Oakland, but after he got traded out of that hitter’s Hades to a slightly better hitters’ park in Washington his offense picked up. Put him in Yankee Stadium and I think he’ll probably hit enough.

  113. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Hi Alfred, thanks. I don’t think I’m a downer generally,just a tad peeved off at the moment; and granted, maybe I’m wrong, so someone kick me in the teeth if so.

  114. luis January 4th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    austinmac January 4th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
    To me, a swing is about two main things. Short to the ball and long through the zone. Understand I have spent a small fortune on batting lessons. Cano does both beautifully. When he is patient, he is the best.

    On the other hand, Teixiera’s bat left handed goes through the zone at one spot as he uppercuts through it. Has he always been this much of an upper cutter?

    /////

    Mac,

    This about sums it up beautifully….if he manages to stay selective, Cano will age well even if he loses some bat speed.

    In Tex’s case, he has always had that uppercut swing. It just got more pronounced. Natural tendencies are a b$tch

  115. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    “I think the short porch has corrupted Tex’s swing. He used to be a better hitter for average. Either that or HR obsessed Cashman ordered him to go full on hairy monster with his swing and it wasn’t Tex’s choice.”

    His LH swing has always been bad mechanically….it’s just when he was younger he could make up for it…..

  116. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Mac,

    I don’t think there was any role for Dickerson on this team nor was there any potential role for him on the team. The three starting OFs are all LH so they weren’t going to carry Chris on the bench and, ideally, Mesa, Zoilo Almonte and Abe Almonte will be the OF trio in AAA so there’s really no place for him to play there either.

  117. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    I happen to think Cano will age quite well. He doesn’t really do anything mechanically that is going to predispose him to injury.

    I actually think Cano is going to get better over the next couple-three years as a hitter.

  118. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    A hitters prime is generally between like 27-31…..it’s the point where physical ability and knowledge of the game and pitchers sorta cross on the graph…..and the hitter will be their best then often until te bat speed starts to slip…..some hitters can adjust and balance out the slip in physical ability with their brains and hold on to the prime awhile longer than others.

    My theory about how Bonds was so amazing was that the PEDs allowed the bat speed to stay even though his knowledge increased….you combine that with already HOF ability and a HOF approach and you got what we saw…..video game numbers

  119. theREALkevin January 4th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Ya I mean Tex has always had a more sound swing from the right side, but I can’t discount the short porch and possible instruction from coaches/etc. I can’t tell you how many quotes I remember from Tex with something along the lines of “my job is to hit home runs and get RBIs”. I mean yeah, that’s true to some extent, but IMO he has tried to sell out for more power. Blake you’re right though, age has definitely started to become a factor with him also.

  120. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    “I actually think Cano is going to get better over the next couple-three years as a hitter.”

    If his approach improves perhaps….if not then I can’t see it

  121. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    if he manages to stay selective, Cano will age well even if he loses some bat speed.
    ///

    I agree, primo. I think his selectivity will improve.

  122. PacoDooley January 4th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Canzler’s 2011 numbers (full season in AAA for TBR) look really good – wonder if he can get back there at only 26. He put up .314 .401 .530 (>.900 OPS). Not terrible numbers in AAA last year – maybe he has some promise (not sure he is really ahead of the other internal options given his age).

  123. Chip January 4th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Assuming for a minute that the Yankees do better than Canzler and Diaz as the RH bench, the AAA starters are probably:

    C – Romine
    1b – Canzler
    2b – CoJo
    3b – Adams
    SS – Nunez if he doesn’t make the big club,
    LF – Melky Mesa
    CF – Abe Almonte
    RF – Zoilo Almonte
    DH – Mustellier/Diaz

  124. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    blake, my feeling with Robinson Cano is that he has merely scratched the surface of his hitting talents.

  125. theREALkevin January 4th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    In any case, it’s really disappointing to see what’s happened with Tex. Yanks thought they were gettin more of his prime than they did, he’s fallen off a cliff in some aspects.

  126. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Of course, it would help matters if Cano actually had some legit protection…

  127. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    January 4, 2013 at 7:21 pm
    blake, my feeling with Robinson Cano is that he has merely scratched the surface of his hitting talents.

    I think he’s right smack in the middle of his prime and that he may still have his biggest year in 2013 or 2014…..but again if he doesn’t change his approach and swing more often at pitches he should hit instead of ones he can hit then I do think he could decline early…..and his performance against lefties last year concerns me a bit also (hopefully that was a flukey thing that’ll correct this year )

  128. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Robinson Cano is a gifted talent, No Doubt, Gwen. I enjoyed very much seeing him at Skydome,….oops, I mean Rogers. ( Hit 2 out against me :) )

  129. luis January 4th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Kevin,

    Wait until you see him next season… He is declining at a very fast pace

  130. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Yeah, I would venture that the struggles against LHP is an anomaly. Cano has gone through stages of demonstrating plate discipline. It’s never a problem with pitch recognition, just, as you point out, wanting to hit everything he CAN hit.

    That’s what’s made the big difference in Melky the last couple of years. In his way, he’s been a “bad ball” hitter himself. He finally found the discipline. Cano’s a different level of hitter. If he could do the same, what’s remarkable in him will be reflected in monster numbers.

  131. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Jeter has to retire an effing Yankee. Nightmare in ’78 if he closes with the Dodgers.

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Robinson Cano is a gifted talent, No Doubt, Gwen. I enjoyed very much seeing him at Skydome,….oops, I mean Rogers. ( Hit 2 out against me :) )
    //

    Yes he is. With Cano, home runs happen. He doesn’t really look for them. He fell into that a little bit last year, but it’s not who he is.

  133. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    The most important thing with Tex in 2013 IMO is that he get back to being an elite hitter right handed…..I’ve pretty much accepted what he is Lefty but they really need him to be that .900 OPS guy vs LHP again…..he does that and plays gold glove 1st base and hits some bombs from the left side and he will have done his job

  134. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    jmills, no need to worry about that. Not happening.

  135. luis January 4th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    Of course, it would help matters if Cano actually had some legit protection…

    ////

    Hence my concern…. There is no one to protect him on the lineup

  136. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Melky will be the bargain of the winter

  137. luis January 4th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
    Melky will be the bargain of the winter

    ////

    :(

  138. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    I’d like for Cano to protect Justin Upton

  139. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    luis January 4th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    Of course, it would help matters if Cano actually had some legit protection…

    ////

    Hence my concern…. There is no one to protect him on the lineup
    ///

    primo, I believe my first post after Montero got traded was asking that question. Who?

  140. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Blake, I hope so. As for his drug hx, the whole league encouraged it! Hopefully, they adopt a no tolerance approach so that these young individuals never come close to the stuff.

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    I’d like for Cano to protect Justin Upton
    ///

    I could have wound my watch to that response :D

  142. luis January 4th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Hamilton and Melky would have been perfect for this team…. Then you traded Granderson for prospects or a 3B….

  143. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    jmills, you and compass each have parts that belong to us!!!

    Give them back!

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    luis,

    You know what would have been ever more perfect?

    AJax/Melk/Son

  145. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Alfred, Compass needs to taste the end, its about time :) It would be great to see her exultant.

  146. luis January 4th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
    luis,

    You know what would have been ever more perfect?

    AJax/Melk/Son

    //////

    Our own homegrown core. :(. Traded away by our shrewd GM in search of instant gratification or that elusive unicorn called number two pitcher

  147. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    “I could have wound my watch to that response ”

    :)

  148. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Alfred, Compass needs to taste the end, its about time :) It would be great to see her exultant.
    ///

    She can do it without my Son, can’t she?

  149. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Luis, as I said to u one late nite Richard Prior, ” we’re lucky to breathe baseball “, but sometimes, those involved, require a sound check :)

  150. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Jmills,

    At worst I think you’ll get the KC Melky and that was still pretty valuable

  151. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Alfred, I don’t think so, and she might require Sir David lil’ hall of fame Stieb as well.

  152. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/K.....#038;rel=0

  153. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Our own homegrown core. :( . Traded away by our shrewd GM in search of instant gratification or that elusive unicorn called number two pitcher
    ///

    :mad:

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Melky, I expect, is hitting in front of Bautista. He’ll get better than KC Melky :mad:

  155. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Alfred, I don’t think so, and she might require Sir David lil’ hall of fame Stieb as well.
    ///

    I’m not so generous as you. I put six years into that kid :(

  156. blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    I think they have said Melky was gonna hit 2nd because he’s a 4th outfielder ;)

  157. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Alfred, think about it like wrecking that Ferrari on the first day and walking away ( Gilles just got in the next one and drove off :) )…………..

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    jmills January 4th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/K…..#038;rel=0
    ///

    jmills, If you “crossed” stieb with Sylvia plath, you might have some kind of super being, eh? Or, at the very least, a great word slinger of a pitcher ;)

  159. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    “I could have wound my watch to that response ”

    :)
    ///

    Listen, you keep Sanchez, Williams and Slade the Blade out of it, I’m in :D

  160. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Blake, if Melky’s my 4th Bobby Orr outfielder, I’m going places! :)

  161. luis January 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Later folks….

    Hello sir Jmills… Good to see you

    JAP,

    I would settle if we keep Sanchez and Williams ;)

  162. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    A slinger of words, and a slinger of pitches, nothing could be finer! ( I wouldn’t bet against Sylvia, lest she gets pissed off )

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    blake January 4th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    I think they have said Melky was gonna hit 2nd because he’s a 4th outfielder ;)
    ///

    Grrrrrrr… My guess is, he’ll on base better next season than in KC.

  164. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    JAP,

    I would settle if we keep Sanchez and Williams ;)
    ///

    Upton and Cano is something to imagine. Would be special.

  165. blake January 4th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    “Grrrrrrr… My guess is, he’ll on base better next season than in KC.”

    I think kC Melky is probably worst case…..I really think the Jays stole him for what they got him for….best value signing of the winter Imo

  166. The Return of Stoneburner January 4th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Yeah – the Yanks do not appear to have the prospects if these teams pony up – via ESPN – - – -

    1. Rangers send Jurickson Profar, Mike Olt and Martin Perez for Stanton and Ricky Nolasco. Jim Bowden tossed this one out there last week. Profar is the No. 1 prospect in the game and is highly regarded enough that 20 WAR (or better) over six seasons isn’t a stretch of the imagination. Olt should have a nice big league career as well, although he has some swing-and-miss to his game that raises concerns.

    2. Mariners trade Taijuan Walker, Danny Hultzen and Nick Franklin for Stanton. If the Marlins want young pitching that is close to big-league ready then the Mariners are the team to deal with. Walker appears to be a consensus top-10 overall prospect although Hultzen’s status has dropped a bit after control issues in Triple-A. The Mariners could include a major-league ready outfielder like Michael Saunders.

    3. Cardinals trade Oscar Taveras, Shelby Miller, Allen Craig and Trevor Rosenthal for Stanton. The Cardinals have prospects to deal and could move Carlos Beltran to first base if Craig is dealt. Taveras and Miller are top-20 prospects although Miller’s minor league numbers raise questions and neither is a consensus top-10 guy. Rosenthal looked dominant in the bullpen during his big league call-up but started in the minors.

    4. Pirates trade Gerrit Cole, Jameson Taillon and Alen Hanson for Stanton. This is similar to the Mariners’ deal — Cole is a top-10 prospect with a huge arm, Taillon is another pitcher who probably ranks in the overall top 20 and Hanson is a comparable infield prospect to Franklin. An outfielder like Starling Marte could be included. And, like the Mariners, the Pirates probably wouldn’t want to deal away their young pitching anyway, no matter how great Stanton’s future.

    We’re already stretching the possibilities and I’m not sure the Marlins would do any of those trades. The Orioles would have to start with Dylan Bundy and add other parts. The Rays could start with Wil Myers and some of their young pitching. The Padres have a lot of young talent in the pipeline, but no one player who stands out.

  167. jmills January 4th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Hi, Luis, great to see you true Sir. You haven’t been ’round much, which means so much more effort on my part ( you’re buying me lunch in the expensive part of Toronto – Yorkville :) ) – we’ll make fun of the surroundings.

  168. blake January 4th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    “Yeah – the Yanks do not appear to have the prospects if these teams pony up – via ESPN”

    For who? The Yanks don’t have enough for Stanton…..Upton is the guy they should focus on and and the Rangers have already said they aren’t trading Profar or Andrus for Upton….St Louis ain’t trading Taveras…..and Upton can nix any deal to Seattle

  169. The Return of Stoneburner January 4th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    For who? The Yanks don’t have enough for Stanton…..Upton is the guy they should focus on and and the Rangers have already said they aren’t trading Profar or Andrus for Upton….St Louis ain’t trading Taveras…..and Upton can nix any deal to Seattle

    *****

    But what about Hotlanta??

  170. blake January 4th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    3. Cardinals trade Oscar Taveras, Shelby Miller, Allen Craig and Trevor Rosenthal for Stanton. ”

    I would say no to this if I was the Cards

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  173. blake January 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    “But what about Hotlanta??”

    If they won’t trade Simmons they have a harder time….it’s have to be around Teheran and then add more

  174. J. Alfred Prufrock January 4th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Primo, if you’re still around, I found this. Read the date and weep:

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    kd January 13th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
    cashman gave up a LOT for a pitcher that has a chance to make a solid #2 on a championship team

    you just gotta hope these guys pan out
    ///

    Who’s going to help Cano in the lineup?

  175. Duh Innings II January 5th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Watch Dickerson turn in a 2012 Justin Maxwell-type season.

    How do you DFA a guy who’ll turn only 31 next April 10 with a career .266 BA and career .352 OBP (.354 vs.RHP, .344 vs.LHP), who has stolen 27 bases in 33 attempts, hasn’t been caught stealing in three years (15 or 15 since 2010), and can play the outfield well?

    I would be more than happy if the 2013 Yankees DH produced his career numbers with 4 more HR and 23 more RBI tacked on.

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