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Scratch that: Berkman heading to Texas

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 05, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Lance Berkman won’t be returning to the Yankees. He’ll be going back to Texas.

The longtime Astros standout has agreed to a one-year, $11-million deal with the Rangers. Ken Rosenthal reports that the deal includes a vesting option for 2014.

Berkman would have fit as a regular DH for the Yankees — he would have fit especially well if he can still play the outfield, which seems uncertain after last year’s knee problems — and the Yankees reportedly had some interest, but the appeal of staying home in Texas might have been too much to overcome. And the idea of a vesting option might have been too risky for a team that’s been incredibly cautious about committing to 2014 contracts.

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73 Responses to “Scratch that: Berkman heading to Texas”

  1. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    I thought maybe he would have returned home to Houston where he went to college and made his bread and butter – but makes sense – he is still close and Nolan and a contending team had more appeal than a last homecoming with the Astros – - – -

  2. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Yankees GM Brian Cashman told reporters, including Anthony Rieber of Newsday, that he isn’t interested in signing a reliever. “I cannot talk about players on the free-agent market,” Cashman said. “But I am not looking for bullpen help, I can tell you that.”

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#X2mKSvyT0pcVtRzF.99

    Cashman – we all know about the Yanks pipeline and philosophy of young bullpen arms from bargain waiver wires and in-house – - – - -

    What I want to know is what are your doing about Michael Morse – - – -

  3. Nick in SF January 5th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Texas heat will help him keep that weight off.

  4. Tar January 5th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    I wanted Berkman, but not for that kind of moola.

  5. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Tar is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

  6. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    The Diamondbacks are looking to get young pitching from the Orioles in a trade for outfielder Jason Kubel, but Baltimore has been disinclined to do that to this point, tweets Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com. Arizona has a surplus of outfielders and some believe that they would prefer to trade Kubel than Justin Upton at this stage.

    Kubel hit .253/.327/.506 with a career-high 30 home runs in 141 games with Arizona last year. The 30-year-old is due to earn $7.5MM in 2013 with a mutual option for the same amount in 2014.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#fiYEq4D568eFtFLD.99

  7. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    The Nationals had their eye on left-hander J.P. Howell for quite some time but the Dodgers swooped in on him earlier today. After losing three lefties in Tom Gorzelanny, Sean Burnett, and Michael Gonzalez, the Nats could still add a southpaw, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#fiYEq4D568eFtFLD.99

  8. blake January 5th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Enter Boone Logan

  9. Duh Innings II January 5th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    LOL @ Texas giving $11M to a guy who turns 37 on February 10 and posted only 2 HR and 7 RBI in only 32 games (97 PA) with a .259 BA, and spare me “His 2011 and .381 OBP in 2012.” That was then and this is now, he’s old and fat, and quite frankly, he sucked with the Yanks (only one homerun and 9 RBI in 123 PA for the ’10 Yanks.) 2011 was probably his last hurrah.

    The desperation of teams via their free agent signings is laughable. Even the Yanks effed up giving Pettitte and Youkilis $12M each as how is Pettitte worth $2M more than Mo and Youkilis is worth twice as much as Mark Reynolds? And what was Ichiro gonna do if he didn’t get two years, sign with .500 also-ran Philly or 69-win Boston? Go ahead and good luck getting a World Series ring with either fella. The Yanks bid against themselves. $7.5M to Pettitte, $6M to Youkilis, and $6M to Ichiro take it or leave it and if you leave it, hello Scott Baker for what he took from the Cubs, Mark Reynolds for what he took from the Indians, and Melky Cabrera for what he took with the Blue Jays.

  10. Duh Innings II January 5th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    blake January 5th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Enter Boone Logan

    —————————-

    For Kuble? No way. Rapada is no sure thing, Cabral is even less of one. The Yanks need a sure lefthanded reliever – Logan is that.

  11. Duh Innings II January 5th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Kubel

  12. blake January 5th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    “For Kuble? No way. Rapada is no sure thing, Cabral is even less of one. The Yanks need a sure lefthanded reliever – Logan is that.”

    Uhm no….the Nats want a lefty reliever….he could be a piece for morse potentially

  13. Tar January 5th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    “Tar is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.”

    OMG Stone is my mom. :shock:

  14. Jerkface January 5th, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Plus Logan is far from a sure thing. He is a very average loogy.

  15. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    LHP Francisco Rondon is also on the 40 man roster – he pitched in AA last year – has been in winter ball – and I believe according to Chad’s interview with Newman – they are pretty high on Rondon – Rondon appears to give up walks though – but don’t we all – - – -

  16. blake January 5th, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Jerkface says:
    January 5, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    Plus Logan is far from a sure thing. He is a very average loogy.

    If they can get something for him ten they should….he’s replaceable

  17. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    The worry I have with a Nats trade involving Logan is that the Yanks may like Logan too much for my taste – I would deal him for Morse – - – -

  18. blake January 5th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    January 5, 2013 at 5:47 pm
    The worry I have with a Nats trade involving Logan is that the Yanks may like Logan too much for my taste – I would deal him for Morse – – – -

    That’s possible

  19. blake January 5th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    The Yanks should entice Towers’s love of relievers and offer Montgomery in a deal for Upton

  20. blake January 5th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Adams, Mason, Nova, and Montgomery for J Upton.

    That’s a well rounded package….3 guys that could help in 2013 and one potential star prospect. It’s a lot to give up though

  21. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    The Nats should like the Yanks farm system – at least they have in the past – - – -

  22. jmills January 5th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    My best friend is here. Blake, Stone etc, have a fantabulous nite!

  23. blake January 5th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    The Return of Stoneburner says:
    January 5, 2013 at 5:53 pm
    The Nats should like the Yanks farm system – at least they have in the past – – – -

    Yea they have taken a couple of our cast offs and made them good

  24. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    I am more with trying to get Morse – keep your farm – see how things develop in 2013 – and then take a look where you are a year from now on the farm and trade targets. Chances are Stanton trade talk will be there a year from now and maybe the Marlins are more inclined to deal Giancarlo 2 years from FA – or maybe Colorado realizes they are not competing any time soon with the Dodgers and Giants and they make a Cargo and/or Tulo available – - – -

  25. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Same to you jmills – enjoy – - – -

  26. ADam January 5th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Not sure Berk would have come to NY for any amount.

  27. blake January 5th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    If they could get morse for a lot less than Upton Id be fine with that…..you’d just have to hope the prospects pan out

  28. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    If they could get morse for a lot less than Upton Id be fine with that…..you’d just have to hope the prospects pan out

    *****

    Yup – they are going to have break some eggs and hope a good omelette comes out of it – - – -right now though – I am more worried about slots 2 and 3 in the rotation in the 2014 rotation – - – -

  29. blake January 5th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    You too jmills

  30. blake January 5th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    “I am more worried about slots 2 and 3 in the rotation in the 2014 rotation – – – -”

    Well it’d be nice if Pineda would pan out…..and it’d also be nice if they could sign Hughes cheaply

  31. Tar January 5th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    I just thought of something, not only do we get a pick for the Indians signing Swish but we got Canzler as well. So really Swish nets us Canzler and a pick, not bad.

  32. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    and under the new draft rules – the additional pick gives the Yanks more draft money to spend – which can be just as critical – - – -

  33. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    “I am more worried about slots 2 and 3 in the rotation in the 2014 rotation – – – -”

    Well it’d be nice if Pineda would pan out…..and it’d also be nice if they could sign Hughes cheaply

    ****

    Pineda is that wildcard – same with filling an OF spot from within in 2014 – fansgraph did an article on shoulder surgeries – the closest comp based on the surgery for Pineda had – as far as being positive outcome was Anibal Sanchez. Pineda did not have the same type of injury surgery that Clemens came back from in ’86 – or Schilling – so I guess if Pineda can do that – maybe that is a 3 in the AL – though I have my doubts – Nova and Phelps could slot in well as no. 4 and no.5 with a guy like Brett Marshall assuming the Phelps type role out of the pen – and in 2014 Turley and Ramirez should be waiting in the wings in AAA – - – -

  34. blake January 5th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    “Pineda is that wildcard”

    Huge one…..if he comes back close to what they thought he could be then the impact of that would be huge

  35. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    Oh definitely – if Pineda could be a no. 3 – that is almost 11 million dollars in savings – and if he were to come back to what they thought he would be – that is Kuroda’s spot – a savings of almost 15 million – - – -

  36. blake January 5th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    If you could choose between the following….which would you do :

    A) Mason Williams, Nova, Motgomery, Adams for Justin Upton
    B) Flores and Logan for Morse
    C) everybody for Giancarlo

  37. blake January 5th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Assume that with options A and C that you can trade either Grandy or Gardner for a decent return to recoup players

  38. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    C – but I would want to know more about the knee

  39. blake January 5th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    I would chose A. Id rather have Upton, Sanchez, Heathcott , and Austin than Giancarlo alone

  40. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    I can go with Stanton, Gardner, Suzuki, and Flores in my OF – with maybe Ruff and Asche coming over for Granderson

    I am still worried about slots no.2 and no. 3 – - – -

  41. blake January 5th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    “I can go with Stanton, Gardner, Suzuki, and Flores in my OF – with maybe Ruff and Asche coming over for Granderson”

    When Ichiro and Gardner are gone in two years though I’ll take my Upton, Heathcott, Austin outfield though …..

  42. theREALkevin January 5th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    I’m for option A. Potential high, high impact player and you don’t empty your farm. Although of course we don’t know if AZ would agree to that trade.

  43. blake January 5th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Yea the Dbacks may not….but that’s a pretty good offer….a starting pitcher…a potential closer who is close….a potential bat that can play 2B or 3b in Adams and then a high upside CF prospect…..it’s a lot to give up

  44. GregD January 5th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    I do hope we don’t gut our farm system for Upton………

  45. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    “I can go with Stanton, Gardner, Suzuki, and Flores in my OF – with maybe Ruff and Asche coming over for Granderson”

    When Ichiro and Gardner are gone in two years though I’ll take my Upton, Heathcott, Austin outfield though …..

    ****

    I guess – I view Stanton has a number 1 type starter in the OF – you can build around him with parts – and i am fine going forward with Stanton and Flores – things get interesting if Ruff can play off the bench – you also see who else becomes available in FA – you can build a lineup around Stanton – the other guys you have an ensemble – which is fine – nothing wrong with it – - – -

  46. Mordot11 January 5th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Good. Bringing him back would have reminded way too much of Nick Johnson.

  47. theREALkevin January 5th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Blake, yeah it is a decent amount to give up, and I think it’s more than a fair offer. If I’m AZ, I definitely wouldn’t be hating it. I’d be curious to know if the Yanks would be on board with that package or if they’re even considering dealing for Upton. I know I would be.

  48. blake January 5th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    I would think Montgomery would greatly interest Towers….. He’s got a soft spot for relievers anyway and a potential closer arm he could control for 6 years would be enticing Id think…..of course those are reasons not to trade him also….but in the end all non Rivera relievers are just relievers and you can find more of them

  49. Against All Odds January 5th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    GregD January 5th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
    I do hope we don’t gut our farm system for Upton………

    ————————–

    Depends on how bad Cashman wants him. When he wants a certain player he’ll toss in the talent to get it

  50. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    I think the deal would need to include Austin + Mason – both are 2010 draftees from Towers time – we know Towers was once interested in Nova from the Padres days – as for relievers – it might be Montgomery – but what if Towers sees value in two years of Robertson – - – -

  51. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Knicks win!!!

  52. blake January 5th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Towers might see value in Robertson but it’d be kinda hard to trade him if you’re Cash…. They need him….I guess maybe you do but I give less with him than Montgomery

  53. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    I mean – what happens if Towers says he wants DRob, Austin, and Nova – do you give up your potential 2014 closer, 2014 no. 4 starter, and potential RH bat in an OF platoon in 2014 and future RF beyond for Upton?

  54. blake January 5th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    I mean – what happens if Towers says he wants DRob, Austin, and Nova – do you give up your potential 2014 closer, 2014 no. 4 starter, and potential RH bat in an OF platoon in 2014 and future RF beyond for Upton?

    Yes

  55. tomingeorgia January 5th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    I just don’t understand the rabid interest in Upton that demands trading anybody and everybody for him. It’s an idee fixe during the dark days of winter, I guess. If he’s so good, why do the DBs want to trade him at all? I wish GB7 were here to tell you that these young guys you all want to give away are worth keeping for at least another year as they advance through the system. Give them away for a guy who’s own team wants him gone? Go for Morse, as blake has suggested, and leave the rising guys alone to see what they have.

  56. GregD January 5th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    I am convinced that they Yanks will not trade for Upton………..they will never get out of this hole they are in if they trade 3 or 4 top 10 prospects for a player with Nick Swisher numbers…….he does have the potential to do more but he hasn’t done it yet………..I do have fun reading the speculation though……..

  57. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    I guess you might have to add a Ramirez or other minor league pitcher to sweeten – but that could possibly top a Rangers offer – idk – Olt, Buckel, and Perez? Idk – Seattle can offer a better pitching package but we know the problems they have with Upton waiving his no trade clause – Hotlanta still has the pitching to team Justin up with his brother – an Upton, Upton, Heyward OF would be very enticing for Wren to surrender some Mike Minor and Delgado/Teheran if wanted – if he thinks Beachy will be back to form later on – - – - -

    Does DRob, Austin, Nova, Ramirez get you Upton? Would it have to be DRob, Austin, Nova, and Sanchez? Idk – - -

  58. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    If he’s so good, why do the DBs want to trade him at all?

    *****

    This can be said about many players – why are certain ones on the market – but true there are personal issues b/w Upton and Arizona – in particular the owner – but they did just practically give away their top pitching prospect and former top 3 pick in the draft – so you are not exactly dealing with a traditional mindset there in Arizona – - – -

  59. The Return of Stoneburner January 5th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    I like the Morse route – but do not expect the kids on the farm to make any kind of impact for some time – maybe the Yanks get lucky and one of the AA OFers is ready in 2014 to bat 9th in the lineup – - – -

    The concern for me is slots no. 2 and no. 3 in the rotation going forward – - – -

  60. austinmac January 5th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    The Yankees, in reality, are extremely unlikely to get Upton. Consider how many times in the last two years we hoped they were in on a player to find out they were not. I have seen and heard nothing to think this is different.

    I wish it would be otherwise.

  61. tomingeorgia January 5th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Stone,
    You’re just as obsessed with the 2 and 3 slot for 2014 as blake is with Upton for this year. Hell, I want the Yanks to win every year, too, but the truth is, they have to reload sometime. Grandy, Cano, Kuroda, and Petitte will be gone. Who knows about Arod and the Captain (even though they’ll be on the payroll)? Can replacements for them all be found next year? I don’t think so, not all of them, anyway. We’ve got some good kids. Let’s see what they can do, unless they all get traded for Upton, who’s a replacement for Swisher.

  62. Jerkface January 5th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    I just don’t understand the rabid interest in Upton that demands trading anybody and everybody for him. It’s an idee fixe during the dark days of winter, I guess. If he’s so good, why do the DBs want to trade him at all? I wish GB7 were here to tell you that these young guys you all want to give away are worth keeping for at least another year as they advance through the system. Give them away for a guy who’s own team wants him gone?

    Who is saying to trade everybody for Upton? How can you acquire anybody via trade with this attitude? The yankees have a need, for an elite outfielder that can help them win & get under the 189 millstone. Upton fits that need. He is also available. Which is why he is a subject of discussion. Why does it matter if his team is making him available? The Tigers made Granderson available, the Ranger’s A-rod, Carlos Beltran has been traded before, we got Nick Swisher via trade, Mark Teixeira has been traded.

    Wow I guess all those players are bums because their team thought they could benefit from dealing them!

    Its the offseason, Tom, you don’t want to talk hot stove stick to folding sheets

  63. blake January 5th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    “I just don’t understand the rabid interest in Upton that demands trading anybody and everybody for him”

    Because he’s good and nobody said give any and everybody for him

  64. Jerkface January 5th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    but the truth is, they have to reload sometime. Grandy, Cano, Kuroda, and Petitte will be gone. Who knows about Arod and the Captain (even though they’ll be on the payroll)? Can replacements for them all be found next year?

    Well isn’t this one of the issues that I, and many others, have brought up? They had ample opportunity to replace these guys or have replacements lined up and they passed. Darvish, Cespedes, Chapman, Montero. If they stayed within the budget they have managed to run out for 12 years, they could have even got some free agents & been in better position to ‘reload’.

  65. blake January 5th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    JF,

    Would you make that trade …Mason, Nova, Adams, Montgomery for Upton?

  66. tomingeorgia January 5th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    JF,
    Thanks for the condescending remark. I just asked a question. There was a reason for all the players you mentioned getting traded, Some had had awful seasons. Some were too expensive for the teams that had them, some, like Upton, reportedly, have attitude problems. I don’t know, and neither do you.

    Go do some more spreadsheets, or crib them from some other web site, and don’t ever try to run a business.

  67. Jerkface January 5th, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    Tom,

    You’re the one that comes in here guns hot on everyone, pretending to be some aw shucks old guy while making backhanded remarks at everyone. Don’t be surprised when you are called out on it. There is no evidence or rumor of Upton having attitude problems. The original incident was that the owner thought he simply wasn’t hitting good enough. I guess his near elite 22 year old wasn’t good enough.

  68. Jerkface January 5th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    And please spare us ‘I just asked a question’. You are asking your questions in a condescending manner to start. “Why is everyone obsessed with Upton???!” he asks, expecting a reasoned response.

  69. tomingeorgia January 5th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    JF,
    I never expect a reasoned response from you, only a mathematical one. I, for one, have never seen Upton play a game. Somebody said he’s put up Swisher numbers. If that is so, why do we want him, at the suggested cost?

  70. Jerkface January 5th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Somebody said he’s put up Swisher numbers. If that is so, why do we want him, at the suggested cost?

    Because he is young, entering his prime, cheap against the luxury tax, and for 2 years he OPS’d .899 & .898 which is above Swisher’s numbers. Also very good defensively and a better base runner than Swisher.

    That is why he is a great target for the Yankees.

  71. UnKnown January 6th, 2013 at 12:24 am

    “I, for one, have never seen Upton play a game. ”

    Wow, makes perfect sense then that you would even be commenting on Upton at all. :roll:

  72. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 1:04 am

    “There is no evidence or rumor of Upton having attitude problems.”

    Lost made that allegation and I asked him for supporting facts. Still waiting.

  73. matzcrorkz August 6th, 2014 at 9:51 pm

    MQ67XN Enjoyed every bit of your blog. Cool.

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