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Week in review: Pieces that fit, pieces that don’t

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 06, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Putting the finishes touches on a roster is all about need and availability. While the Yankees are working to finalize their roster, they’ve made right-handed hitters a priority, and that’s why they claimed Russ Canzler on Friday.

Canzler can play the outfield (which the Yankees need), he can backup at third base (which the Yankees need) and he can hit for power from the right side (which the Yankees badly need). The Yankees claimed him from Cleveland, and made room on the roster by designating Chris Dickerson for assignment.

Dickerson is a nice player. He’s a good defender at three outfield positions, can steal a base, and has pretty good career numbers against right-handed pitching. But the Yankees already have an abundance of left-handed, speed-oriented center fielders.

The Yankees clearly like Dickerson — they traded for him, kept him on the roster quite a bit in 2011, put him back on the roster with a September call-up in 2012 — but there simply wasn’t a spot for him given the way this team is currently constructed. He’s out of options, which means sending him to Triple-A was never a possibility.

Is Canzler a better player than Dickerson? I don’t know. Frankly, they’re incredibly different, and the answer probably varies from team to team. For the Yankees in this state of need and availability, Canzler fit and Dickerson didn’t.

• Nick Swisher officially joined the Indians with a press conference during which he had kind words to say about his time with the Yankees. “I had a wonderful time when I was in New York,” Swisher said. “What an honor to be there for the time that I was. We had an absolute blast, but we had to move on. To be in the situation we are now, representing the Cleveland Indians, I’m so excited. New York was an amazing time.”

• Ken Davidoff reported that the Yankees had some interest in bringing back Lance Berkman, who was injured most of last year but had a tremendous 2011 when he thrived in his return to the outfield. He’s a switch hitter and could have fit as the team’s primary designated hitter, but he agreed to a deal with the Rangers yesterday.

• Still no announced surgery date for Alex Rodriguez, but Brian Cashman says Rodriguez has not suffered a setback and the expectations for him have not changed. The Yankees have a surgery date in mind, they’re just not announcing it yet.

• It was announced that the Yankees will open the season with a 1 p.m. first pitch on April 1. Not surprisingly, the game will be televised on ESPN.

• Despite their desire for additional right-handed help in the outfield, the Yankees are not interested in Delmon Young, according to a report from Joel Sherman.

• Might be overly optimistic, but Yankees scouting director Damon Oppenheimer said this week that he believes both Mark Montgomery and Slade Heathcott have a chance of reaching the big leagues in 2013. It’s not much of a reach with Montgomery — a college reliever who seems poised to move quickly — but it would be somewhat surprising to see the Yankees suddenly push Heathcott quickly after previously taking things slowly with him.

• The Yankees didn’t add anyone on minor league deals, but a few familiar names did land elsewhere: Kevin Whelan (Reds), Jeff Marquez (Reds), Brian Gordon (A’s) and Scott Proctor (Giants).

• All of the Yankees Triple-A coaching staff is returning next season, including International League Manager of the Year Dave Miley.

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365 Responses to “Week in review: Pieces that fit, pieces that don’t”

  1. blake January 6th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    They need more than a finishing touch whether they want to admit it or not…..

  2. austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    The Yankees are in full dumpster diving mode. I truly don’t think they will trade any significant minor leaguer since at this point the team needs a half dozen or more to play in 2014.

    We have spent a year now hoping the team would try to improve. We have added since Pearce, McGehee, Diaz, Canzler and I don’t recall who else. They will not add anyone who impact the all important budget.

    That is our reality, Yankee fans. They are a team are a decline. This year they are worse than last year. 2014 will be the worst team in at least 20 years. No pessimism. Simple look at the roster and money. A good team cannot be fielded in one year, probably even if they had money.

  3. blake January 6th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Cashman is trying to determine how many Steve Pearces it takes to equal a good player.

  4. RadioKev January 6th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    About a month until pitchers and catchers report…

  5. blake January 6th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    @OldHossRadbourn: Much like the red, itchy sores that accompany the French Pox, hockey has returned.

    Lol….honestly I didn’t even realize they we’re led out til a few days ago

  6. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Good morning-

    If the Yankees were indeed interested in Lance Berkman as their mostly DH vs righties then I imagine theyll soon be signing dumpster candidate DH lefty Travis Hafner to team up with righty Russ Canzler.

    The Nats still need a lefty reliever. Maybe they would be interested in some package of Boone Logan for Michael Morse once LaRoche is resigned. Both are FA’s after next season.

  7. austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    YT,

    Logan could be part of a package, but much more would be required for Morse, I would think.

  8. blake January 6th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    “The Nats still need a lefty reliever. Maybe they would be interested in some package of Boone Logan for Michael Morse once LaRoche is resigned. Both are FA’s after next season.”

    If Upton can’t happen then I hope this does….they’d need to give more than Logan obviously but there should be a deal there.

  9. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Hafner vs righties has had over the last 3 seasons a wRC+ of 136. I wouldn’t be surprised that the oft-injured Hafner is signed.

  10. blake January 6th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    I think Axisa suggested once that a Flores and Logan package could be in the ballpark for Morse and I tend to agree…..

    It all depends on who else got involved for him but one thing going for the Yanks is that a couple of te other suitors are either in the same division or the same town (braves, Philkies, Orioles)

  11. blake January 6th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    When Hafner is healthy he is kinda what the Yanks like…..he hits homers and he walks….especially vs RHP.

    If they added morse though then they wouldn’t need him

  12. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    There was a good article in RAB’s a few days ago about the current projected payroll for 2013.
    It was projecting 3-8M left to fill roster spots.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ree-81000/

  13. mick January 6th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Whichever is cheaper, Hafner or Thome…
    Enough pictures of Swisher, besides his face looks fat…but he did have a “blast.”
    Guess that was his goal.

  14. blake January 6th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Adam LaRoche has no three-year offers on the table, he’s also not going to get one this off-season..one team want him WSH..time to sign Adam

  15. smartchoices January 6th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    “2014 will be the worst team in at least 20 years.”

    I was kind of thinking 2013 might be the worst of it – age-related decline, loss of power, increased potential for injuries. Kind of holding out hope 2014 will have young athleticism on their side and one more year under their belt.

    If 2013 veteran Yankees plays 2014 youngster Yankees, what’s the score?

  16. blake January 6th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    “If 2013 veteran Yankees plays 2014 youngster Yankees, what’s the score?”

    Will Cano be on the 2014? Will Granderson? Will Hughes? Or Kuroda or Pettite or Rivera? Jeter will be 40…..Id take the 2013 team for sure unless something unexpected happens

  17. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Blake-

    It seems that those teams don’t want to give up a draft pick by signing LaRoche.

    On Upton:

    The Rangers want to build a package around third baseman Mike Olt rather than shortstop Elvis Andrus or infielder Jurickson Profar and they’re willing to add a top pitching prospect and a third quality piece to the package, sources say.”

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#jagSWsjq2ev2Tcwk.99

    Apparently the DBacks are not interested in a package from the Rangers built around Olt, for Upton.

    Any chance one year of Granderson could net Michael Olt?

  18. joeman January 6th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    isn’t it Wash plan is to use Morse at 1st base almost fulltime

  19. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    Joeman-

    If LaRoche isn’t resigned by the Nats, then Morse is their 1st baseman.

  20. blake January 6th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    “Any chance one year of Granderson could net Michael Olt?”

    I don’t know….if they lose out on Upton and are desperate then maybe if the Yanks kicked in something else. Olt isn’t a very top prospect…..he’s a good one but most of his value is that he’s big league ready and he’s cheap…..he’s got power and he can play 3B but we aren’t talking about a potential star like Profar by most accounts……

  21. joeman January 6th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 10:09 am
    Joeman-

    If LaRoche isn’t resigned by the Nats, then Morse is their 1st baseman.

    ——————
    then Morse is their 1st baseman

  22. joeman January 6th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    is it possible the the NYY won’t be able to deal Granderson because of his pending FA in 2014

  23. joeman January 6th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 9:10 am
    The Yankees are in full dumpster diving mode. I truly don’t think they will trade any significant minor leaguer since at this point the team needs a half dozen or more to play in 2014.

    We have spent a year now hoping the team would try to improve. We have added since Pearce, McGehee, Diaz, Canzler and I don’t recall who else. They will not add anyone who impact the all important budget.

    That is our reality, Yankee fans. They are a team are a decline. This year they are worse than last year. 2014 will be the worst team in at least 20 years. No pessimism. Simple look at the roster and money. A good team cannot be fielded in one year, probably even if they had money.
    ——————————————–
    this is truth

  24. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Joeman-

    LOL. Currently Morse is their 1st baseman. But really “Who’s” on first until LaRoche resigns with the Nationals.

    Good one! :)

  25. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    At this point, I’m more concerned that they WILL do something; something I don’t care for.

    They are quiet as mice, and that gives me a feeling of ominous foreboding. There’s no way Cashman, given his recent comments, isn’t feeling a bit cornered to “do something.”

    I want an upgrade, don’t want Cano stranded again in the middle of the order, and by heaven, especially don’t want to see Mo, Jete, Andy climb the mountain with no chance to have anything to show for it… but I do fear too dear a pay, for whatever that something is.

  26. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    It was rumored that the Yankees were shopping Curtis Granderson since early November, which would be soon after his option was picked up.

    Given that he is a FA after next season and that he declined in every offensive category, except homers, from 2011, has his worth as a trade option diminished enough that other teams want to wait and see some improvement before dealing for him? The downside is that if a team gets him inseason, they can’t give him the qualifying offer if they don’t want to sign him to an extension.

  27. mick January 6th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    why would they give away the farm for something they can’t “afford?”

  28. joeman January 6th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    this is the nyy situation..it’s very possible that three of their top 4 starters won’t be on the roster in 14 & don’t even know what Nova’s situation is ….nobody in the minors to step in and take their place..

  29. MaineYankee January 6th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    joeman

    I saw that you was in ME. during the ice storm.

    What area was you in?

  30. 86w183 January 6th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    I thought all along it might be tough to move Granderson. If they were going to begin the transition to $ 189 this year they should have let him go.

    If they can get Olt for Granderson they should do it. He’s a very good prospect, offers RH power and had an excellent slash line in 2012 (.288/ .398, .579) albeit @ AA.

  31. joeman January 6th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    when I see jeter on the field at 100% then I’ll believe he’s 100%…that wasn’t a minor injury at any age

  32. DONNYBROOK January 6th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Nollie on Tilt. Berkman and those knees for 1yr\$10 Mill? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  33. mick January 6th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    you can be sure the yanks are laughing at the berkman contract.
    can’t believe they were in on talks for him.

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Jeter has special powers :)

  35. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    JAP-

    Good morning. After reading the RAB’s article above I don’t think the Yankees are adding any more significant payroll for 2013, and given the real “fiscal cliff” for 2014 is really closer to 177M[ because player benefits are supposedly going to be near 12M for every team], it seems no trades for long term contracts that might require an extension, like that for Justin Upton, will happen.

    Think further dumpster diving, like Travis Hafner, to team up with Russ Canzler at DH.

    Now that is predicated on not dealing Granderson or Hughes in the next few weeks to free up money.

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    I see no reason why Andy couldn’t pitch in 2014, “if” he’s healthy. Andy does seem like a guy who could just continue indefinitely.

  37. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    I think Hafner’s a possibility for the Yankees but with their roster I think they’ll want someone who can play the field, not really an option with Pronk.

    Some dumpster LH DH types who can field are:

    Aubrey Huff
    Luke Scott
    Rick Ankiel
    Jason Giambi
    Casey Kotchman

    or if they want to go even cheaper
    Dan Johnson

    Ideally, my choice for DH is working out a deal for Jason Kubel. Not only does it help the Yankees, but it keeps him off the Orioles.

    Buster Olney doesn’t think the Yankees will add much between now and spring training, but if Cashman’s not blowing smoke about Romine opening in AAA I can’t believe that the Yankees will open with a combination of Cervelli/Stewart/Wilson in the majors. Signing someone like Barajas, Snyder, Shoppach or Olivo won’t make anyone terribly excited, but it’s a guy who is a major league catcher who can slide to a back up role when Romine is ready.

    I assume that Canzler’s ability to play multiple spots is going to earn him a bench role over Matt Diaz (though I suppose the Yankees could keep both). So right now the bench would look like: BUC, Canzler, Nunez, Diaz. That’s all RH. They could/should ink Kelly Johnson. Like Canzler, he can play pretty much every position other than CF and SS and can give the Yankees some LH pop off the bench.

    Also, if they decide they want Nunez playing every day in AAA, they can either put Nix back on the bench or maybe sign a guy like Jason Bartlett or Ronny Cedeno.

    I agree that the Yankees should entertain dealing Boone Logan but they won’t do it. At least not until Spring Training when they’ve had a chance to see if Rapada and Cabral are a good enough pairing for them to feel comfortable without Logan.

    I still think that the Rangers would be a good fit for Granderson, but it’s not going to happen.

  38. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Chip

    I don’t believe Canzler has played much 3rd, so another bench option might be Jayson Nix, another righty.

  39. joeman January 6th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    MaineYankee January 6th, 2013 at 10:24 am
    joeman

    I saw that you was in ME. during the ice storm.

    What area was you in?

    ————————–
    it was back in 1998..ice storm, we were guest of PS&H and working near the Maine NH state lines but really working in NH

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Happy New Year, Trader.

    I was at a conference yesterday that mostly bored me to tears, and my mind wandered onto Phil Hughes. Seems like yesterday I saw him painlessly and comically set down AA hitters here in Trenton, and then pick up Clemens as a rook to the roars of “Huuuuuuughessss!” in the Bronx, to delay the inevitable against Cleveland in the 2007 ALDS; we sang: “Born! Unto US a Child is Born!” all the way home in the car…

    and then he tantalizes us with his no hit bid on that Texas mound, before heartbreakingly, the hamstring gave… his relief work in 2009 catapulted us to another division title….the changeup rearing its head against LHB last season, the curve coming ’round, Hughes evolving….

    …he could very well be moved.

    Not sure what they’re doing to replace him, though, even if he goes in a package that nets a bat.

  41. DONNYBROOK January 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Lotta wear inflicted upon Logan by Girardi in 2012, and Logan’s eratic performance down-the-stretch reflected this. I would deal Logan Now, just like the Yanks did previously with Proctor. Ticking time bomb here.

  42. joeman January 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 10:30 am
    Jeter has special powers

    ——————————-
    no doubt

  43. 86w183 January 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Luke Scott is the best of those LH DH options. He creams RH pitching, would love NYS and can be used occasionally in the OF.

    but a REAL Rh bat is a much higher priority. I’d call Napoli and see where he is in terms of being p-o’d at the Red Sawx. He’s a better version of Martin who can catch about half the time anyway.

  44. smartchoices January 6th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    blake said, ” Will Cano be on the 2014? Will Granderson? Will Hughes? Or Kuroda or Pettite or Rivera?”

    I was going on current common thought (if there is any) – Cano resigned, Granderson walks, all one year deals gone, Jeter is 40, Alex not what he was. Veterans obviously, I just didn’t think the difference would be as great as expected. I blame the lackluster offseason that I’m even musing about this.

  45. joeman January 6th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    86w183 January 6th, 2013 at 10:44 am
    Luke Scott is the best of those LH DH options. He creams RH pitching, would love NYS and can be used occasionally in the OF.

    but a REAL Rh bat is a much higher priority. I’d call Napoli and see where he is in terms of being p-o’d at the Red Sawx. He’s a better version of Martin who can catch about half the time anyway.

    ———————————–
    RS are jerking his chain but when the smoke clears he’ll be a RS

  46. Against All Odds January 6th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    , I just didn’t think the difference would be as great as expected.

    ———————————————–

    It would because even if Cano is resigned Tex is still declining, the young kids learning on the job, the rotation would be CC, Nova, and maybe Hughes(but if he has a good yr he’s gone), etc

  47. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    If I was the GM:

    Arizona gets: David Robertson and either Turley or Warren
    Yankees get: Jason Kubel

    Texas gets: Curtis Granderson
    Yankees get: David Murphy and a prospect (not Olt but maybe a second level guy like Leury Garcia, 2b or Joey Gallo, 3b)

    Yankees sign: Ronny Cedeno, Kelly Johnson and Kelly Shoppach and both Cuban prospects, but at the very least the SS Diaz

    25 Man:

    Ichiro
    Jeter
    Cano
    Tex
    Kubel – DH
    Youk – 3b
    Murphy – LF
    Shoppach
    Gardner

    Bench: Johnson, Canzler, Cedeno, Cervelli

    (if something happened to Gardner and he needed to leave a game then Ichiro could slide over to CF)

    Rotation:
    CC
    Kuroda
    Hughes
    Andy
    Nova

    RHP: Joba, Rivera, Montgomery, Aardsma, Phelps
    LHP: Logan, Cabral

  48. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Chip

    I don’t believe Canzler has played much 3rd, so another bench option might be Jayson Nix, another righty.
    ——————

    Trader -

    I would prefer Kelly Johnson over Nix; I know the problem is that he can’t play SS where Nix can – but Johnson is a guy who the Yankees could put at 3b if Youk stinks or gets hurt and leave him there – sort of an Eric Chavez type. Nix doesn’t fit that bill.

  49. mick January 6th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    Worst case scenario: What would Hal do?

    Yanks drop to last in 2014 as team implodes in every way possible.

    The press is on his back everyday.

    10,000 per game is a common occurrence.

    1) Sell
    2) Nothing, as he is still making money.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    I would not trade Robertson even up for Jason Kubel.

  51. blake January 6th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Again I think they could move Granderson if they wanted to…..but right now they really can’t. How much they can get back though depends on the team they are dealing with and in some cases they’ll would have to eat a little money to facilitate a deal

  52. blake January 6th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    January 6, 2013 at 10:54 am
    I would not trade Robertson even up for Jason Kubel.

    Nor would I…..if DRob is in the deal then I have to be getting Upton

  53. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Assuming no trade – Luke Scott is the guy I would look at for the LH DH role; rough year in Tampa, hurt the year before – but good power that would play in the Stadium as the number 8 hitter.

  54. blake January 6th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Flores and Logan for Morse after Laroche signs would be ok if they can’t get Upton…..he could potentially make a big impact on the 2013 lineup and they could potentially get a draft pick for him ….also they keep all their top prospects

  55. MaineYankee January 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    joeman

    it was back in 1998..ice storm, we were guest of PS&H and working near the Maine NH state lines but really working in NH

    ———————————————————————————-

    Your help was appreciated. It was a real mess. I’m about 45 miles from Conway or Berlin NH.

  56. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    blake January 6th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock says:
    January 6, 2013 at 10:54 am
    I would not trade Robertson even up for Jason Kubel.

    Nor would I…..if DRob is in the deal then I have to be getting Upton
    ————————–

    Blake -

    In every trade with Arizona you have to get Upton :-p

  57. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    blake, I’d trade him even up for Upton ;)

    Kubel is valuable as a LHB but a platoon player, a mediocre OF at best, DRob is a special talent for what he does, no way I’d do it.

  58. blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    “In every trade with Arizona you have to get Upton :-p”

    Pretty much…I like Kubel but he really doesn’t address their problem ….id rather trade for Morse

  59. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Blake -

    I agree that Logan and Flores for Morse is a good deal for the Yankees and Nationals; but I don’t think Cashman will entertain dealing Logan until the end of spring training when he’s certain that he can be replaced by Cabral; even then, he’s more likely to deal Cabral than the “known” in Logan.

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    If they overpay for a Kubel type, that will really just be the end.

  61. blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:01 am

    I almost think Towers would value Montgomery more than Robertson because he controls him 4 more years…..even though Robertson is proven and Montgomery isn’t……6 years of team control for a potential back end arm is something Towers usually covets

  62. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Blake -

    Kubel does address one of their problems – they don’t have a DH right now. Also he’s under a reasonable contract for next season.

    I like Morse and if the Yankees can get him I say go for it. But he’s not on the market at the moment, Kubel is.

  63. blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Logan isn’t that good…..he’s fine but he’s just a adequate lefty reliever and he’s a FA after 2013…..I certainly hope Cashman wouldn’t keep him out of a deal to upgrade the offense

  64. blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    “Kubel does address one of their problems – they don’t have a DH right now. Also he’s under a reasonable contract for next season.”

    I guess my point is that with Kubel you still need a RH bat ideally…..with Morse you really don’t need anything else….he hits righties and lefties

  65. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    “and then he tantalizes us with his no hit bid on that Texas mound, before heartbreakingly, the hamstring gave… his relief work in 2009 catapulted us to another division title….the changeup rearing its head against LHB last season, the curve coming ’round, Hughes evolving”
    ——————————–
    JAP-
    If I finish that thought, Now at the ripe age of 26, the Yankees will have to wave goodbye, after next season, as they near the “cliff” trying to “rebuild.”

    Happy and Healthy New Year.

  66. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    JAP -

    Robertson and a back end pitcher for Kubel is not an overpay. Robertson’s not a closer and the Yankees have a lot of depth in RHRP to work from.

    As for a “Kubel Type” I would be fine having a guy who is going to hit in the 5 or 6 spot; give me 30 HR. I also think that he would boost his Avg and OBP closer to .275/.350

  67. blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Texas has offered Olt to like everybody and nobody has bit…..I think it’s possible that his age, his contact rates, and his lackluster big league debut (albeit a bery small sample) has decreased his value a bit…..Towers would probably take him as a piece in an Upton deal but Id bet he would want another significant piece with him…..like Holland

  68. blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    “Robertson and a back end pitcher for Kubel is not an overpay. Robertson’s not a closer and the Yankees have a lot of depth in RHRP to work from.”

    Why isn’t Robertson a closer? Cause he blew like one or two games last year? Who is gonna close for the Yanks next year if not him?

  69. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    “Kubel does address one of their problems – they don’t have a DH right now. Also he’s under a reasonable contract for next season.”

    I guess my point is that with Kubel you still need a RH bat ideally…..with Morse you really don’t need anything else….he hits righties and lefties
    ————————-

    I understand that – but if the Yankees feel that they already have a RH bat on their bench in either Canzler or Diaz then there is no problem for them getting Kubel. In fact, if they’re sold on one of those guys – they might prefer a LH bat to a right handed one.

    As for Logan – I agree with you. But I’m trying to think along with Cashman on this – he likes his known quantities and after having so many problems finding a LHRP since letting Stanton go the first time (Heredia, Embree, Gabe White, Feliciano, Marte, Myers, Villone, Stanton again) he might want to hang onto Logan simply because he knows that he can count on Logan to be Logan.

  70. blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Frank Wren told us that if they were to sign Bourn they would consider it a “toss up” on who would play CF and who would play LF

  71. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    “Robertson and a back end pitcher for Kubel is not an overpay. Robertson’s not a closer and the Yankees have a lot of depth in RHRP to work from.”

    Why isn’t Robertson a closer? Cause he blew like one or two games last year? Who is gonna close for the Yanks next year if not him?
    ———–

    Aardsma, Montgomery, Joba, Betances, someone not on the roster – look around the league, unless you have Mariano Rivera back there you can find someone to close out games – hence the reason Brian Wilson and Raf Soriano can’t find work.

  72. blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Either way….I wouldn’t trade DRob for Kubel….

  73. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Either way….I wouldn’t trade DRob for Kubel….
    ——————–

    What if the Yankees got Chris Johnson back in the deal too?

  74. Against All Odds January 6th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:12 am
    Either way….I wouldn’t trade DRob for Kubel….

    ———————–

    Neither would I.

  75. DONNYBROOK January 6th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Exposing Dickerson, and then trading a player off the 40 Man for Kubel would be DUMB. I like Kubel, and he is from the town that The Duke and those Boys were herding the cattle to in, “The Cowboys”, but the Dickerson\Kubel Moves are incongruent.

  76. blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    “Aardsma, Montgomery, Joba, Betances, someone not on the roster”

    Aardsma is who knows what, Montgomery will be a rookie, Joba will be a FA, and Betances is a mess right now…..maybe somebody not on the roster but will the cap looking they can’t spend a lot on a closer

  77. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Good Morning. Happy Día de Reyes!

    I would never give up Robertson for Kubel either. I get the .253 ISO, and that he hits righties, but Kubel is a SO waiting to happen, over 26 percent, didn’t hit at all on the road. Plus second half of the season he degenerated: 102 OPS+ and .275 OBP. He also stunk with RISP, 75 OPS+. I am tired of these types of players, frankly. It’s one thing to sign them as FA’s; I am not giving up elite players for Kubel. Or potential… Turley is a lefty with a bump in velocity and has added a slider to the CB and changeup. No way I would deal him right now. Let’s see what he gives us over the season in AA.

    Pruf, QFT about Hughes. I would hate to lose him to FA.

  78. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Chip-

    On DRob for Kubel I too don’t agree, because if I did agree we’d both be wrong! :)

    The Yankees will end up with Canzler and someone like Hafner/Thome as their DH, because if they were interested in an oft- injured Berkman, they certainly must be inquiring on those two lefties.

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    If you could somehow get Arizona into a depth-for-Upton type swap…. like one of those 3-or four-for-one type deals where the sum of the four or five likely won’t ever actually equate to the pedigree of the one… but on a facile level, a deal that looks reasonable, but you really just steal the jewel…I’d be all in.

  80. jacksquat January 6th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Robertson right now is the #1 candidate for closer in 2014. Mo probably retires, Joba is a free agent, so is Aardsma. So keep that in mind. With the 2014 budget constraints you probably don’t want to spend a lot on a closer.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Betances had a good AFL. Threw strikes, rang up Ks, got groundballs. He’s back :D.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Pruf, QFT about Hughes. I would hate to lose him to FA.
    ////

    Sad ending, for sure. They can’t replace him, any way. Unless they do an about face on Chamberlain, which is uh, so likely. And he’d have to get a running start, in any case.

    Pitching, pitching, pitching ;)

  83. DONNYBROOK January 6th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Thinking your gonna pull an “Oceans 11″ on Kevin Towers? Yea, and you probably believe you croon like Frank too.

  84. Yankee Trader January 6th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    The only way the Braves would bring back Michael Bourn would be on a reasonable one year deal. He was a complete non-factor for them the last two months of the season.

    Have to go.

    Everyone enjoy the day.

    Until later.

  85. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Pruf, did you see where Corey Black is getting an ST invite? Interesting… I wonder who else is.

  86. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    YF,

    I’m weary of the type, too. Agree, if Kubel were just a $ pay, that’d be a different story. LHB in .800 plus land, fine. Not dealing any real upside kids for him, certainly. We do that, that just shows how far to our knees Cashman has brought us. That would be a disaster.

    Yes, I saw the Black thing. Reliever material in the short term, I guess.

  87. jacksquat January 6th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=mlb

    I think there is no way Dickerson makes it through waivers. Would have been nice to have kept him, kind of like Justin Maxwell…

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Donnybrook,

    I’d give him Gardner, whose reputation is that of a dramatic game changer defensively, Heathcott (whose shoulder is also questionable, as Upton’s is, but who could be a star so that would hurt some), Adams, who can hit and play 2B-3B, and I’d say Nunez, but they just got Gregorius so that might not appeal to them. In any case, two of the 3 can help them now. Heathcott isn’t far off and can play CF, so I’m giving them two CFs and a guy who can play CIF and 2B. The arm I’d be willing to part with, I’d have to think about…

  89. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    JS, Dickerson and Maxwell aren’t hairy enough for Cash. And they run too fast.

    Pruf, would love to know what Dellin was throwing…

    Black, could be…diminutive but has a big arm, can touch 98-99.

  90. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    “The arm I’d be willing to part with, I’d have to think about…”

    I don’t really like parting with any of the mlb arms.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    YF, can’t get an answer if he was throwing his change, but unless he had some prescription from them on that, I’d guess he was throwing it.

    He’ll start at AAA this year, I’m sure.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    In any case, I’d be interested to see what Patterson thinks of, and does with, Betances going forward.

    Despite the struggles, the arm is crazy.

  93. jacksquat January 6th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    I don’t know if the Dbacks are going to feel much of a need for CF when they have Adam Eaton.

  94. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Pruf, QFT. As for repertoire, he didn’t have his usual numbers vs. lefties, so not sure what he was throwing. However, it was a sss of 12IP. Loved the 4BB, 15K’s though. I wonder if there will be any discernible changes in terms of delivery with Patterson in the mix. I’ll try to go from Trenton opening games to those at SWB to hopefully see J-Ram and then Dellin pitch.

  95. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    blake January 6th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    “Aardsma, Montgomery, Joba, Betances, someone not on the roster”

    Aardsma is who knows what, Montgomery will be a rookie, Joba will be a FA, and Betances is a mess right now…..maybe somebody not on the roster but will the cap looking they can’t spend a lot on a closer
    ——————-

    Don’t need to spend a lot on a closer. Look at who ended up closing for the two World Series teams. Detroit went “by committee” down the stretch and San Francisco went with a couple of journeymen.

  96. austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    JAP,

    You are the most loyal of fans with Betances. Man, would he be a help. It is time for us to get a break.

  97. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    YF, I’ll travel to see Dellin pitch and will attend all Jo-Ram home starts, once we get him from Tampa.

    At least AAA will be more interesting this year, with the Almonte brothers most likely up there.

  98. austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Mo will not return in 2014. They certainly cannot pay a closer a huge chunk of their precious money. Pettitte, Mo, Hughes, Joba, Granderson and perhaps Cano all will be gone in 2014.

    They need Robertson, but he will be getting pricey for the new, no money at all Yankees. That would be why he could be moved.

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    A-mac,

    I’ve seen the struggles, but I’ve also seen that arm just toy with hitters. That’s where my optimism resides and why it has stamina.

    It’s like having seen Montero (which we all did last season, finally) over a larger sample in the minors. You are just so loathe to lose the ones that are special. Betances is special, and maybe Patterson can help him get back to 2010. If so, it will have been worth hanging onto him.

  100. austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    JAP,

    They have invested a bunch of time and money in him. Let’s see what he can do. When do the Yankees lose control over him? I would guess after this year.

  101. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Pruf, J-Ram should start at AA, so luckily we’ll get him that first week in April.

    Snakes want young pitching, so not sure what we would want to/could part with that would satisfy for JUp. I don’t want to nor think that we should deal either Nova or Hughes, and we don’t have mlb ready pitchers in AAA. Would they want Warren? I’d deal him. As for Dellin, hopefully, Towers has cooled on him or doesn’t think he is ready; I still don’t want to trade that uber arm. Geoff Baker is saying that Upton’s no trade to Mariners is more financial than an aversion to being in Seattle. If that is the case, Mariners can outdo us with mlb-ready/elite young pitching… I don’t know that Adams would be the Snakes’ guy for 3B; Adams is still learning there, and doesn’t have the kind of 3B pop a team might want…

  102. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    AMac,

    Yes, this is Betances’ final go-round. They mitigated the risk with the potential all the way on that one; they kinda knew what they were getting into.

  103. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    The Braves’ signing of B.J. Upton in November ostensibly took them out of the running for fellow free agent center fielder Michael Bourn. However, General Manager Frank Wren told SiriusXM’s Jim Bowden (on Twitter) that the club still hasn’t closed the door on Bourn.

    If Atlanta were to sign Bourn, Wren says that it would be a toss up on who would play center field and who would play left field (Twitter link). Bourn has 80 games in left field to his credit from his time in Philly while Upton played just one game there during his rookie campaign.

    The Braves are still open to Bourn, but the Atlanta GM says that they haven’t engaged in trade talks for Justin Upton in the last couple of weeks. Wren says that he wished Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers a Merry Christmas last month and hasn’t spoken to him since (Twitter link).

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ZRXcjQgmeAWRvI0H.99

  104. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Cafardo gets the feeling that Justin Upton will be gone just as soon as D’Backs GM Kevin Towers hears the right mix of players. Of course, there has also been a great deal of talk surrounding Jason Kubel.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#ZRXcjQgmeAWRvI0H.99

  105. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Lance Berkman turns 37 next month, and so the $10 million deal that he got with the Rangers Saturday surprised some rival officials. But the Rangers likely viewed the signing through this prism: In an offseason in which Mike Napoli agreed to a deal that would pay him $13 million annually (although his contract with the Red Sox has not been completed) and David Ortiz got a two-year deal for $26 million, getting Berkman at $10 million seems to be more reasonable to Texas. The Rangers considered a possible move to get Jason Kubel from the Diamondbacks (with his $7.5 million salary), but would have had to swap a decent prospect to get the veteran. All that Berkman costs Texas is cash.

    via Buster – - – -

  106. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Betances: Service Time (01/2013): 0.035, Arb Eligible: 2016, Free Agent: 2019

  107. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    how’s everybody here at upton central today?

  108. 86w183 January 6th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    I think it’s foolish to think Diaz and/or Canzler will fill the need for a legit RH bat. Could be nice bench pieces, but not much more than that.

    I would certainly call Minnesota to find out what it would take to acquire Josh Willingham. Adams and/or Nunez would appear to fill needs for them. their rotation is so weak Warren and Marshall could probably start for them.

    What kind of combo gets it done?

  109. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    Any date yet on when the NHL sched will begin? Go Pens!

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    Betances: Service Time (01/2013): 0.035, Arb Eligible: 2016, Free Agent: 2019
    ///

    Yeah, he’s cheap until 2016, even though he’s up at the end of this year. The issue, of course, is being on the 40-man. He’s got to make it happen this year.

  111. pkyankfan69 January 6th, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald reports that the Marlins “are not moving” Giancarlo Stanton and haven’t even “discussed” it internally.
    Spencer was also told that details of the Marlins’ recent discussions with the Padres about Stanton were “completely off base” and “totally ridiculous.” He writes that while the Marlins have listened to team’s inquiries on Stanton “out of professional courtesy,” they are “not entertaining any thoughts” of trading him. A deal involving the cost-controlled superstar always seemed like a huge longshot, and this report should hopefully put all the rumors to rest.

  112. austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    I liked it when we added players because they cost “only” money.

  113. UnKnown January 6th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Look at that sweet picture above of the Yankees playing at Target Field. That is really a cool looking Stadium, dropped right in Downtown Minneapolis. Great place to watch a game.

  114. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    I liked it when we added players who were multidimensional. Nowadays it is all about platoons, all or nothing bats, and hit no field players. Sigh.

  115. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Or field and no hit players…

  116. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    I like it when the Yanks add solid starting pitching like Kuroda and Pettitte – - – -

  117. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    unknown, have you ever been to pnc in pittsburgh? another gorgeous stadium right in the heart of the stadium.

    prior to the nys plan, i was in favor of the idea of building the new yankee stadium at the west side railyard in the middle of manhattan surrounded by midtown with an open view of the chrysler and empire state buildings. i think that would have been awesome!

  118. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    heart of the city i meant…

  119. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    eighty

  120. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    four

  121. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    days…

  122. UnKnown January 6th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    unknown, have you ever been to pnc in pittsburgh?
    ———————————–
    No, but I’ve heard it is absolutely awesome.

  123. yanks61 January 6th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    YF – just a brief observation: I can understand your preference for 8 regulars on the field everyday. However, I grew up in the 50′s when Stengel and the Yankees became famous for their platoon system, so I have no problem with it – provided of course that the LH/RH sides of the platoons are both producing.

    In fact platooning goes back to at least John McGraw in the 20′s, which is where Stengel undoubtedly got the idea and futher developed it. So it’s not at all a new idea – even, in fact most especially, for the Yankees. Of course, as we know, McGraw and Stengel both made a success of it.

    Oh, and even back in the 50′s the Yanks almost always had a few players who were better known for either their fielding or hitting, not both.

    By the way, I envy your ability to see as many mL games as you do. When I’m back in the States this summer, I’ll be going to a few more SWB games than games at YSIII.

  124. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    Axisa recaps the winter leagues. Looks like Cervelli did OK.
    http://riveraveblues.com/

  125. austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    I won’t like it in 2014 when they can’t add Pettitte and Kuroda.

  126. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    “I won’t like it in 2014 when they can’t add Pettitte and Kuroda.”

    Unless two of Pineda, Nova, and Banuelos are at least bankable #3 starters. But as of now the chances of that happening aren’t overwhelming.

  127. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Call me old fashioned, but I think Ray Lewis belongs in jail :D

    Glad to have hockey back.

    Did we trade for David DeJesus yet?

  128. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “Call me old fashioned, but I think Ray Lewis belongs in jail ”

    And he is not the best LB of all time. LT was much, much better.

    “Did we trade for David DeJesus yet?”

    Channeling your inner Bret the Hitman? (who seems to have disappeared during my absence).

  129. randy l. January 6th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    “Channeling your inner Bret the Hitman? (who seems to have disappeared during my absence).”

    rumor has it he was banned for some bad blog behavior.

  130. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    Rich – Bret got banned after some off color comments… very off color, even for Bret. I believe he had the opportunity to apologize but decided against it so his spirit lives on every time someone tries to trade Gardner.

    LT was absolutely much better.. a little hard to swallow all of the commentators drooling over him. I didn’t expect the Colts to win this one, but I hope the Ravens get hammered next week.

  131. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Ahahahaha.. I just found this fake Francesa ‘Twittah’ account and it’s been cracking me up for days:

    @MikeFrancesaNY

    So Jober does a fistpump, people ah up in awms. Ray Lewis dances like a fool and participates in two murdahs & its awl good #JustTakinNotes

  132. randy l. January 6th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    ” Looks like Cervelli did OK.”

    i have never liked cervelli as a yankee catcher, but why the yankees have buried him is a really dumb business move for the yankees to make.

    all they are doing is lowering his value. a team like the rays , if they decided he didn’t fit in, would start him, build up his stats and trade value and flip him for something of value.

    he went down because he was throwing out about 15% of runners. he fixed that at scranton last year.

    why bury him?
    typical waste of resources and another example of not following through on development and getting something out of all the time and money put in.

  133. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Excuse me.. it’s ‘Twittuh’ not ‘Twittah’

  134. tucker January 6th, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    It has been a rather boring NFL playoffs thus far. None of the games have been competitive. The favorites have been in control of each game.

  135. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I also like that the Yankees signed Ichiro – - – - -

    https://twitter.com/i/#!/YankeeSource/media/slideshow?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitpic.com%2Fb2fd7d

  136. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    tucker – I’m hoping that changes right now.. since RG3 beat my ‘Boys I just want them to upset all the way to the SuperBowl.

    Probably won’t… but you’re right, it’s been pretty meh so far.

  137. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Stone – AWESOME.

    I need to find a gif of Ichiro stretching.. he does it on the bases and before he gets in the batters box. I’ve been looking for a vid but can’t find one.

  138. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    randy, Shame

    Given what goes on here on ocassion, that must be some sort of new color, but who am I to second guess the powers that be? :D

  139. tucker January 6th, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Shame, I’m a 49ers fan, and I don’t particularly like their chances this year. The Seahawks just flat out dominated them two weeks ago. Seattle has looked pretty good. We’ll see if they can carry that high level play today.

  140. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Swisher up again!? – don’t worry, Stieb is going to strike him out 100 times this season. Enjoy your juniors, they sure did destroy Canada :(

  141. Jerkface January 6th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Shame: http://www.flipflopflyin.com/f.....chiro.html

  142. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Those are awesome, thanks JF. But the one I really want is where he squares off his feet to form a rectangle and twists his body

  143. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    The whole sequence fascinates me.

    TD Washington..looks like this might be a game.

  144. randy l. January 6th, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    rich in nj-

    personally i’m shocked, just shocked, that anyone would violate the terms of conduct here :)

  145. tucker January 6th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    That looked fairly easy for the Skins. So much for the Seahawks’ D.

  146. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Well, I guess there’s going to be a half hearted hockey season. I’m glad I was brought up on Darryl Sittler, Lanny McDonald and Borje Salming. The Leafs are such a conglomerate now, they don’t recognize me.

  147. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 6th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Exposing Dickerson, and then trading a player off the 40 Man for Kubel would be DUMB. I like Kubel, and he is from the town that The Duke and those Boys were herding the cattle to in, “The Cowboys”, but the Dickerson\Kubel Moves are incongruent.
    ———————–

    You’re saying that a 30 year old minor leaguer is the same as Jason Kubel? That’s silly.

  148. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Who cares about hockey, I’ve just youtubed Norah Jones live in Amsterdam ( full concert ).

  149. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    Bret the Hitman made the mistake of making offensive comments and strongly supporting the Montero trade. You can get away with one of those around here but not both. He was informed on and then paid the price.

  150. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Actually – it’s not a Yankee deal – but the deal that would make a lot of sense would be Boston sending one of their relievers (Bailey or Aceves) and a pitcher like Morales to the D’backs for Kubel – Boston could put Kubel in LF with Victorino in RF.

  151. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    Nick, from what I read, Bret made misogynistic statements. Hopefully he gets his head together.

  152. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    jmills, I read Bret the Hitman’s comments, but I found them offensive, which is why I described them as such. He was engaged in a little trash talk with another forum commenter at the time.

  153. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    That should have been “I read Bret the Hitman’s comments AND found them offensive” not BUT.

  154. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Some of the women posters who have the most strongly-held opinionated seemed to like the trade from the Yankees’ perspective, but life is full of ironies.

  155. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    Nick, these people need to be checked, or else they self perpetuate ( just told a friend last night to consider the same ).

  156. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    My friend of which I’m speaking needs to rid himself of a certain parasite.

  157. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    I’m not suggesting otherwise, jmills.

  158. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    What’s with the angry schoolgirls in the Microsoft Surface ad?

    jmills, Bret said some unPC things, reason enough to be banned, for some.

  159. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    PC is in the eye of the beholder, but not knowing what he said (not that I need to know), I’m flying blind.

  160. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    Hi, Tom, hope this post finds you well. Sorry, I don’t get the microsoft surface ad. I have not read what Bret actually said.

  161. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    RG3 looks like he’s part cyborg with that leg brace he’s got..

    Despite the comments, I still think I remember something about Bret not being outright banned.. I’m pretty sure he had the chance to apologize and decided against it.

  162. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    jmills,
    Thanks for the good wishes. Bret spent most of his time promoting supplements and the courses he was taking, some proposing preposterous trades, and the rest demeaning, some think, women.

  163. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Guy is literally limping all over the field… and is still a beast.

  164. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Tom, in my limited wisdom, I find it best to be self deprecating first. Here’s hoping you have something in the oven :)

  165. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    I can’t root for Washington…

  166. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    jmills,
    Baked ocean perch with garlic, oregano and lemon, and a few capers, fresh asparagus on the side. Smells good.

  167. Chip January 6th, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Rich –

    I can’t root for Washington or Pete Carroll

    And I wish that someone would point out during this Ray Lewis farewell tour that he was arrested because he refused to bear witness against his two friends who murdered someone at the superbowl.

  168. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Tom, perfect! Garlic, oregano etc, what could be better?! Throw some Spanish onion on top of it!!!

  169. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Shame, what you think you remember is based on some degree of speculation posted here by a secondary source. Bret the Hitman may have/had some chance to get his ban reversed based on certain conditions; to date I don’t know if he’s tried or wants to. I don’t know if the person or persons who complained about him would advocate for mercy, maybe so and maybe not.

  170. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    jmills,
    It’s the kind of supper Bret would have approved of. Tomorrow, it’ll be lard fried chicken!

  171. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Maybe if Bret can come on and we can all talk, its never to late unless the person in question is, absolutely, a dick.

  172. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 5:45 pm

    cajun shrimp, crawdads and andouille sausage over spicy cheese grits!

  173. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Ys,
    A man after my own heart!

  174. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    i made it for guests last night and it turned out one of them grew up in n’orlins and she said it was the best she’s had…

  175. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Nick

    I also thought that Bret had the chance to apologize. I believe that came from someone who was in touch with Bret himself, although not certain. He had his chance to make amends and choose not to. Cest la vie.

  176. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    I just had a punk girl at the door raising funds for diabled veterans support Canada. Good for her! I have my receipt.

  177. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Sorry, ” disabled ” – this spelling thing has me up in arms, brother!

  178. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Chose choose— you get the idea.

    I apologize to all those I may offend for all my grammatical mistakes for the upcoming year. Than, then it may as well be Chinese sometimes. English was definitely not my forte. Although I have gotten pretty good at spell checking before I click on “submit comment” .

  179. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    jmilla,
    People don’t realize Canada’s been with us in every action, very good troops and airmen, too. Hope they are honored appropriately by their fellow citizens.

  180. mick January 6th, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    I too have been criticized for poor grammar.
    I am not an animal…

  181. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    Tar is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.

  182. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    MOM

    get off the blog!!! :mad:

    BTW it’s not cool to repeat rote phrases.

  183. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    Mister mick,
    your Gramer are always perfact.

  184. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    Tar, I was in contact with Bret the Hitman. I think what you’re remembering came from someone who was in contact with Chad (tomingeorgia?) but not with Bret the Hitman. To be clear, his mistakes were his own fault but he had the misfurtune of making them before the gaze of his enemies.

  185. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    BTW it’s not cool to repeat rote phrases

    BTW it’s not cool to speak of one of the most famous phrases in the Manchurian Candidate that way – - – - -

  186. ron January 6th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    The yankees had their chance to flip their roster by trading cano,granderson,hughes,then signing hamilton,melky,and maybe one,or both of ajp/anibal sanchez.
    They would of landed 4 nice prospects,minimum,and they’d be ready,or close to being able to start.
    A 3b,2b,p prospect,and one more,maybe a catcher,or another pitching prospect.
    We’d still compete,and would have 2 levels of prospects that are ready,and will be within 1-2 years.
    We’d be loaded,and the lost offense would be replaced,while still competing,and we would not need youk,and ichiro,if we got a 3b prospect that could start now.

  187. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Acknowledging it sounds crazy and doesn’t really think it’s going to happen, Adam Kilgore of the Washington Post urges the Nationals to sign free agent closer Rafael Soriano. Kilgore sees agent Scott Boras convincing owner Ted Lerner the franchise has a finite window of competing for titles and Soriano is the final, missing piece.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#p6Z7VTLuOKI5EMH7.99

    We’re in the draft pool money – we’re in the draft pool money – - – -

  188. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Canada suffered higher losses (as a % of population) than the U.S. in WWII.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.....casualties

  189. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    If the Diamondbacks don’t move one of their outfielders, look for Adam Eaton to open the season at Triple-A, according to MLB.com’s Steve Gilbert. “That’s not in a perfect world what we want to have happen,” GM Kevin Towers told Gilbert. “But we’re not going to move an outfielder in a lousy deal just to move an outfielder.”

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#p6Z7VTLuOKI5EMH7.99

  190. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Bret made a remark that was violent against women. The post was removed, and Chad chose to ban him. I know nothing about apologies that were or weren’t offered. End of story. However, Nick, your version is pure fiction.

  191. mick January 6th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Tar-tell us more about those coons that were fornicating outside your window.

  192. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Nick,
    To clear it up, I never complained about Bret, He was funny, usually, Not me!

  193. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    “However, Nick, your version is pure fiction.”

    Which part is inaccurate? I read both if Bret the Hitman’s comments and what came before them.

  194. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    “To be clear, his mistakes were his own fault but he had the misfurtune of making them before the gaze of his enemies.”

    Isn’t that kind of “blaming the victim” for Bret shooting from the hip one too many times.

    I wish Bret wasn’t banned but I more wish he would have not offended someone I think very highly of.

    Having said all that, crap happens so I then wish he would recognize his mistake and apologize.

  195. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Or maybe I should say that whatever YF thinks on this subject, I agree with.

  196. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    wow, not only did i miss brett’s thingy, apparently i missed some mamalian procreation comments too!

    you never know what you’ll get in the lohud!

  197. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Nick, yes, you were on. It was you, me, Bret and Odds. No one else. No conspiracy. Nothing. What Bret said is on him, and if Chad considered it bannable, that is Chad’s call. No one said he couldn’t come back.

  198. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    ” Isn’t that kind of “blaming the victim” for Bret shooting from the hip one too many times.”

    No, please go back and read what I said.

    And yankeefiminsta, what did I say that was “pure fiction”?

  199. mick January 6th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    I would like to see Bret the Hitman back.

    Anyone else say aye? Or is that yea?

  200. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Wow – Seahawks having their way right now – - – -

  201. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    “Tar-tell us more about those coons that were fornicating outside your window.”

    I could say how it made me reflect on humans and how we are really are not that far removed from “animals” or nature. But really not much more to say except maybe it was truly an incredible “nature” moment.

  202. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    Well – I just jinxed the Seahawks with my comments – - – -

  203. mick January 6th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Tar I believe you were hallucinating and were watching some porn channel.

  204. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    “And yankeefiminsta, what did I say that was “pure fiction”?

    Nick, go back and look. You’re smart. Figure it out.

  205. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    “No, please go back and read what I said.”

    I stand by my comment until/unless there is further review.

  206. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Thanks, Tar.

  207. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    stoneburner caused that fumble…

  208. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Tar, I love your nature moments man!

  209. Ys Guy January 6th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    im already getting psyched for the knicks cetics game tomorrow!

  210. mick January 6th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    rondo will torch the knicks.

  211. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    YF no need to thank me. You did nothing wrong, but it is totally wrong to put any blame on you for his being banned.

    “Tar I believe you were hallucinating and were watching some porn channel.”

    Mick If so, it was a group hallucination, because there were three of us who witnessed it including my son.

  212. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    I hope the Knicks can finally beat the Bulls this Friday – cannot wait for Shumpert to come back – need his perimeter defense – - – -

  213. Giuseppe Franco January 6th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    We all know Chad doesn’t exactly rule this place with an iron fist the way Pete did so whatever Bret said must’ve been quite reprehensible for Chad to ban him.

    So that’s Bret’s own fault.

    I can’t speak for anyone else but I don’t miss the constant whining about Melky Cabrera and the desperate need to acquire David Dejesus and trade Bret Gardner.

  214. mick January 6th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    when shump, felton and sheed return, 3 will have to go..
    brewer won’t be as needed…white is a waste and thomas never plays.
    they have no defense against a good point guard at this time.

  215. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Stone, I had a great time with my friend last night, thanks. He even enjoyed the whole Sylvia Plath movie. Until this day, I think Gweneth Paltrow was a rather odd choice for the role.

  216. mick January 6th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    seahawks are winning this game…

    …and next weeks.

  217. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    jmills January 6th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
    Stone, I had a great time with my friend last night, thanks. He even enjoyed the whole Sylvia Plath movie. Until this day, I think Gweneth Paltrow was a rather odd choice for the role.

    ******

    Good to hear. This one is for you:

    Shi Davidi ?@ShiDavidi
    Jose Bautista among #BlueJays at coaching clinic in Toronto. Says of wrist: “The wrist is pretty good — pain free, full range of motion.”

  218. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
    Tar, I was in contact with Bret the Hitman. I think what you’re remembering came from someone who was in contact with Chad (tomingeorgia?) but not with Bret the Hitman. To be clear, his mistakes were his own fault but he had the misfurtune of making them before the gaze of his enemies.
    —————-
    Only time I ever wrote Chad was about WCYF. It was not I.

  219. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Is it Gwyneth or Gweneth. Or maybe, its Gwenyth. I get the spelling thing so effed up around here, I can’t stand meself! :)

  220. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Ooooosh – this Wilson kid – - -wow – - – -

  221. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Gwyneth, I believe. She is no Sylvia, jmills.

  222. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Hey Steve Stone, thanks. I need Jose superseding the wall, even if it was painted pink.

  223. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    Man, I am really unintentionally jinxing the Seahawks today – - – -

  224. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    YF, nobody is.

  225. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    jmills, I concur.

  226. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Tar, I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear enough, but I tried: if you re-read each of my comments, the only person I blamed for Bret the Hitman’s comments was Bret the Hitman and the only person responsible for banning him would be Chad, who banned him. So I’m not blaming the victim. But if you’re outsourcing your opinion-generating faculties, why am I talking to you? ;)

    yankeefeminista, I ask you again what I wrote that was “pure fiction” and I mean the actual words I wrote, not a paraphrase of them. Saying that I wrote “pure fiction” but declining to say how might be good enough for a jury of your Tars but it’s not good enough for me. So what about my account struck you as fabricated?

  227. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    A hush fell over the assemblage.

    I give credit to Marshawn Lynch.

  228. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Nick, conspiracies, enemies, Montero. What do those three things have to do with remarks advocating violence against women?

  229. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    “But if you’re outsourcing your opinion-generating faculties, why am I talking to you?”

    Nick You are totally qualifying bret’s blame in all this by posting this

    “his mistakes were his own fault but he had the misfurtune of making them before the gaze of his enemies.”

    “Gaze of his enemies give” me a freaking break. This is not about Montero. I guess you also consider chad to be his “enemy”.

    And as for your outsourcing comment. This is not about “opinion”. It’s about insults, bad boorish behavior, and punishment. She is the victim of Bret’s stupidity not you or I. So yeah I gladly defer judgement on what’s right or wrong to her and Chad. You’re holding a grudge here Nick, and it’s clouding your judgment.

  230. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Jury of Tars? Am I on trial?

    Seriously, I would prefer Bret hadn’t made the remarks. I would also prefer that I didn’t have to discuss them, and frankly I haven’t responded even though people here have made light of Bret’s behavior for months. However, when the discussion resurfaces, again with misinformation and again making light of the remarks, there is a point when I have to speak up. That said, I would prefer to discuss baseball on a baseball blog.

  231. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Did I say there was a conspiracy? Again, nobody made Bret the Hitman say what he said, that was his own fault.

    The part about Bret the Hitman making the mistake of making those offensive remarks while also having the misfortune of having made so many strong statements about Montero is my own speculation, which is not the same as “pure fiction”. The point is that whoever wrote to Chad about what Bret the Hitman said doesn’t contact Chad about remarks of a similar nature, but I don’t KNOW that.

    I also think there’s a good deal of nuance that’s been lost about exactly what Bret the Hitman said, the context in which he said it, and what he meant by it, but it’s pretty tough to get into that without repeating what he said. I do not think he was advocating violence against women, but I wouldn’t accuse you of writing a “pure fiction” for having done so. But it’s not that simple. But we agree that what he wrote was offensive and I think we both said so at the time.

  232. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Nick, to even bring up the name of a baseball player here, as somehow related to Bret’s remark or his being whatever he was, is totally out of line, and ditto, with regard to Bret’s remark, which you are somehow qualifying to make it less heinous.

  233. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    or his being *banned or whatever he was

  234. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    I seriously don’t think this discussion is serving the blog.

  235. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Nick

    Bottom line–if you have a problem with Bret being banned you should take it up with Chad.

    Every remark you have made since his stupidness has been “Bret was wrong but….” enough with the excuses.

  236. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    yankeefeminista, to my knowledge, nobody who read Bret the Hitman’s original remarks has made light of them. People that do so do so ignorantly.

  237. Shame Spencer January 6th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    LOL at all of these sports writers equating RG3′s knee to sitting Strasburg. Not sure we can equate the two.

  238. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    And FTR, I have and continue to defer to Chad. It’s his call if he wants to reinstate Bret, assuming that Bret is banned (I have no knowledge if he has or hasn’t been). I unlike you, Nick, have had no conversations with anyone since the “incident.” Simply, the remarks were made, removed because of the offensive nature of them, and Chad too took offense to them. Beyond that I have no idea what has since transpired.

  239. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Tar, re-check your bottom line; I didn’t say I had a problem with Bret the Hitman being banned. I thought his comments were way past the line of decency. I didn’t make a single excuse for his remarks. As a referee you make a very good Yankee fan.

  240. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    yankeefeminista, you missed one step in between the remarks being made and their removal: someone contacted Chad about them. Which that someone is certainly allowed to do.

  241. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Do we even know that he was banned; maybe he was just given a long time out.

  242. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Nick, there is no mystery there. I contacted Chad, asking that the remarks be removed. So, there goes your gaze of the enemies narrative.

  243. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Yes, we know he was banned. We don’t know that it is/was a lifetime ban with no chance of parole; most likely it is not.

  244. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    “someone contacted Chad about them. Which that someone is certainly allowed to do.”

    OK I get it. It’s not that Bret was banned, it was someone contacted Chad about it. WTF…

    What exactly is the bottom line here Nick. In plain english no freaking qualifiers.

  245. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    I didn’t consider that part of it much of a mystery, but it was left out of your chronology in the previous tellings. Maybe you would have contacted Chad about offensive remarks no matter who made them or maybe some remarks don’t make it past your filter. I think certain people get more leeway than Bret the Hitman got, but to be fair I doubt anyone else would have said EXACTLY what he said.

  246. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    Tar, the bottom line is that I didn’t think calling what I wrote (in response to Rich in NJ and Shame Spencer’s earlier discussion) “pure fiction” was accurate or fare, but yankeefeminista is on firmer ground disagreeing with the parts of my posts that were opinion.

  247. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Nick, if you recall the remarks, the first one was offensive and adolescent but I would have ignored it. However, the second remark was not suited for the blog or for anyone’s eyes. I don’t think any context would qualify it. As for who would have reported it, who else was on the blog that night? None of you would have been offended unless he did what he said to your sister, wife, mother…

  248. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Tar, Bret the Hitman may have been on double secret probation; he’d been complained about to Chad multiple times before this final incident.

    On that note, I’m in Oakland right now and I don’t want to be anymore, so I’m taking off. I’ll check back later if there are any more questions about this.

  249. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    yankeefeminista, you’re not completely correct but I really do need to go. I’ll check back in later.

  250. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    As for Bret being complained about multiple times, I didn’t know that.

    Nick, you created quite a narrative off of and a diversion from what actually happened. That was why I questioned you. We really don’t need to discuss it anymore. Have a good night.

  251. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Chip

    I guess the difference to me is that Washington is in the same division as the Giants and they will be an obstacle for years. So even though I don’t like Carroll, he isn’t the proximate threat.

  252. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/5.....#038;rel=0

  253. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    My apologies for bringing up Bret. I just assumed he got mythical-trade-fatigue.

  254. Tar January 6th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Nick I typed something and erased it. Have a safe drive.

    BTW I disagree ( while singing a certain verse from Kenny Rodgers). :D

    Time for some BB

  255. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    There was supposed to be a tryout for the two cuban FAs yesterday for teams to take a look – wonder if the Yanks showed up or sent anyone – - – -

  256. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    Rich, were you the one who brought it up? Banned to RAB! :)

  257. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Not sure about the Cubans. Marlins didn’t. Did you see any follow up reports on them?

  258. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    This is the last I saw of it – from Friday – which mentions the workouts were supposed to be yesterday – not sure which teams went other than this mention of the Twins – - – - -

    The Twins will have a scout on hand to watch outfielder Dariel Alvarez and infielder Aledmys Diaz tomorrow. The two Cuban defectors are hosting a workout for teams.

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....Z0rAfcK.99

  259. austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    I have read the Cuban SS prospect hs good but not great tools. Can’t vouch for it.

  260. J. Alfred Prufrock January 6th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Take it with a grain of salt

  261. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    This is the original story from mlb.com back in late November on them:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  262. The Return of Stoneburner January 6th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Cuban prospects Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez are working out in Mexicali, Mexico and will audition for scouts on January 5th, a source tells Jesse Sanchez of MLB.com (on Twitter).

    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....F0TCHFv.99

  263. yankeefeminista January 6th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Thanks for links. I don’t know that much about them. But neither counts against the international spending cap, FWIW. I believe they are doing multiple showcases, so even if we didn’t see them audition yesterday, we may yet.

  264. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Biggest news of the year, so far: tattooed Olivia from the night shift of Pawn Stars fired from the show for doing nude shots on a tattoo-oriented web site. Still, apparently, has her job at the pawn shop.

  265. theREALkevin January 6th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    “Maybe if Bret can come on and we can all talk, its never to late unless the person in question is, absolutely, a dick.”

    He is. Personally I don’t miss him.

  266. theREALkevin January 6th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Thought that was pretty ridiculous about Olivia. Like Chumlee and the rest are all angels? I could understand it if she had done some hardcore stuff, but I mean I seriously doubt viewers would be changing the channel (especially considering the show’s primary demographics) just because they knew she had done some nude photo shoots.

  267. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    yf

    I don’t think I’m pro-Cashman enough for RAB….

    ;)

  268. blake January 6th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Go heels!

  269. blake January 6th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Or not

  270. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Rich,
    Your language is too pure for RAB, too.

  271. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    tom

    Thanks. Profane insults on the net, at least imo, are sort of an admission that a person lacks the ability to be clever. I have to admit I did get baited to engage couple of times.

    Axisa does a really good job. The level of discussion there, however, has changed from what I remember it being a while back.

  272. blake January 6th, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    I like Axisa’s stuff….he puts a ton of time and work in to that site. I just think the comments section there is kinda hard to follow

  273. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    Rich,
    The analytics over there are superior, the comments moronic, most of the time. Glad you’re here.

  274. Rich in NJ January 6th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Thanks, tom.

  275. austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    I agree with the RAB assessments. Axisa does a very good job with his articles.

  276. jmills January 6th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/t.....#038;rel=0

    Tom, blake, Austin et Big Al, thought y’all might enjoy the above end of day song. Sleep well for tomorrow’s fight my friends.

  277. tomingeorgia January 6th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    jmills,
    There’s no bridge I’m going to jump off. Bon soir, mon ami.

  278. Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    tomingeorgia, sorry I incorrectly named you before; I was confusing you with another commenter.

    I know you’re different people, but I may have mixed the two of you up because you were both referred to (but not named) in the same rant by a mutual friend before Christmas.

  279. austinmac January 6th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    Jmills,

    The sad thing is I still remember the words. Of course, now they are rattling around in my head thanks to you. :)

  280. GregD January 7th, 2013 at 7:01 am

    is this a baseball blog??

  281. austinmac January 7th, 2013 at 7:10 am

    Not a lot to say these days. Nothing happens Yankee related. Maybe another minor league deal. Hallelujah.

  282. blake January 7th, 2013 at 7:32 am

    It’s a blog for Yankee fans….who don’t have a lot to talk about at the moment

  283. yanks61 January 7th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    Nick in SF January 6th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
    Tar, I was in contact with Bret the Hitman. I think what you’re remembering came from someone who was in contact with Chad (tomingeorgia?) but not with Bret the Hitman. To be clear, his mistakes were his own fault but he had the misfurtune of making them before the gaze of his enemies.

    —————————————————————————-

    Wow, Nick, this did become quite an issue yesterday evening. So let me just clear up one angle. Obviously I was not around when Bret made the offensive comments, so I really have no idea what he said. However soon after learning that he had been banned it was I who contacted Chad about seeing whether he might be given another chance. Chad said that he had no choice in light of what was said by Bret and brought to his attention by the victim of Bret’s remarks. He had, however, offered Bret the opportunity to eventually come back if he would agree to apologize. Chad then said that Bret had not responded to his offer.

    I thought that a lot of Bret’s comments were annoying and sometimes downright juvenile, but I also thought he could sometimes be pretty funny. I got a kick out of some of his trade proposals and, as GF mentioned, his obsessions with players like Melky and deJesus.

    However I would have to guess that whatever remarks he made were pretty awful considering at least one other frequent poster who is still here had made a highly derogatory remark to a woman who hardly ever posts anymore. But perhaps she didn’t bring it to Chad’s attention.

  284. yanks61 January 7th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    had made a highly derogatory remark to a woman who NOW hardly ever posts anymore. But perhaps she didn’t bring it to Chad’s attention.

  285. blake January 7th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    @JohnetteHoward: Nick Saban uses #Yankees Mariano Rivera as an example to motivate Alabama for #BCS championship game http://t.co/131xJLK

    My guess is the game is over by halftime

  286. randy l. January 7th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    forget whether the yankees will be good or bad, even watching bad baseball players on nice green grass in mid february is something to look forward too. even cub fans over the years looked forward to spring training and opening day with spring in the air.

    i do think yankee fans are going to have to learn how to spin their downward spiral into something worthwhile. right now thinking about sunshine on green grass and the sound of the ball on bat is a good start for me.

  287. blake January 7th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Two sources tell me #Yankees made offer to Berkman. Third source says two sides simply talked. Either way, they were in.

  288. Shame Spencer January 7th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    61 – Thank you for clearing some of that up. Didn’t mean to contribute to the speculation last night, just thought it was important to mention that Bret had the opportunity to issue an apology and appeal the ban.

    Now.. back to baseball. I feel like I’ll be in a much better mood about the Yankees now that hockey is back and will (hopefully) carry me through June!!

    Does anyone know when they announce WBC rosters? Seems like it should be soon, right? The games start in Feb?

  289. blake January 7th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    “forget whether the yankees will be good or bad, even watching bad baseball players on nice green grass in mid february is something to look forward too. even cub fans over the years looked forward to spring training and opening day with spring in the air.”

    This….

    I also think YES should broadcast the Trenton games too and give the subscriber the choice of whether to watch the Yankees or Thunder that night….even split screen it

  290. Shame Spencer January 7th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    blake January 7th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Two sources tell me #Yankees made offer to Berkman. Third source says two sides simply talked. Either way, they were in.

    ———————-

    I wish we had Berkman’s bat over Youk’s.

  291. blake January 7th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Yea but Berky can’t play 3B….not that Youk really can either at this point

  292. Shame Spencer January 7th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    I also think YES should broadcast the Trenton games too and give the subscriber the choice of whether to watch the Yankees or Thunder that night….even split screen it

    ———————-

    YES needs to expand a bit.. maybe start up a YES2 network.

  293. blake January 7th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    The Yanks need to plan like Arod isn’t coming back this year …..if he does then its a bonus but he’s not even gonna have the surgery until Feb. most likely…..you’re looking at like August probably at the earliest

    Get a real DH if you can’t trade for Upton

  294. Shame Spencer January 7th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    blake January 7th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Yea but Berky can’t play 3B….not that Youk really can either at this point

    ——————

    He can play the OF though.

    I’m just saying if I had to chose spending $12 mil on Youk or $11 mil on Berkman, I’d go Berkman. He could be your OF/DH/1B occasionally and you’d have a mix of young guys working at 3B (Nunez, Adams, Mustellistilldontknowhisname) and Nix in reserve.

  295. blake January 7th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    YES 8…..the ocho!

  296. Shame Spencer January 7th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    @JonHeymanCBS

    #mets talked to AZ about upton/kubel. prospect/player price 2 high on @JUS10UP10, kubel not perfect fit.

  297. blake January 7th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    I don’t know what Berkman can do in the OF now…..probably not pretty…..

    That said….I might rather have Berkman at DH and Adams at 3B than Youk at 3B and no DH

    There was a report yesterday that the yanks hasn’t contacted Chipper but that other teams had…..he’s not playing but man would he look good at DH…. Guy can still rake….

  298. yanks61 January 7th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    You’re welcome, Shame. I’d like to emphasize one thing before we put this to rest. Chad said that he really didn’t want to ban Bret, but absent a sincere apology there simply was no other choice. It wasn’t as if Chad was just looking for a chance to get rid of him. I think Chad had been exceptionally fair. Bret had an chance to come back and he decided to forego that opportunity.

  299. austinmac January 7th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Shame,

    I agree with you on Berkman vs. Youklilis. My money would be on Berkman having a better year. I still wish we would have let Adams and Mustelier fight in out for 3B and spend that ever so precious money elsewhere.

    Guess what? There is no Yankee news. I can’t wait for more roster moves on other teams so we can pick up another player no one else wants.

  300. austinmac January 7th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    I have an idea on the blog. How about we don’t use offensive, sexist or racist comments? That way we can all play.

  301. blake January 7th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: #mets talked to AZ about upton/kubel. prospect/player price 2 high on @JUS10UP10, kubel not perfect fit.

  302. blake January 7th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    Wonder how the comments Lance made about “the Beltre contract being a reach” and how they’d be an “average team without Cliff Lee” will be received in that clubhouse?

  303. Shame Spencer January 7th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    blake – Yeah I agree re: Berkman at DH. I don’t love the idea of putting him in the OF either, but I didn’t love Ibanez and Jones out there either. Beyond him, our OFers would all be very athletic and give you good D, so I’d be comfortable having him out there every now and again with a defensive replacement waiting in the wings. I just think Berkman’s a better all around hitter and Youk… and $1 million cheaper :D I wonder how far the Yankees were willing to go on him, money wise.

    61 – I also thought it was important to just throw it out there that he had the chance to amend the situation. It lifts any responsibility, IMO, that may have been placed on the actions of others.

  304. Shame Spencer January 7th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Guess what? There is no Yankee news.

    ———————

    There are no games tomorrow ;)

    In reference to your other request, which seems like a pretty simple one, these things are sometimes in the eye of the beholder. We do a good job of self policing here though.. it’s why I can’t post on RAB. Some of the stuff that’s said on there that goes unchallenged is kinda gross.

  305. Shame Spencer January 7th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    :arrow:

  306. austinmac January 7th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    The reason Chipper was not contacted is he would want plenty of money to play. RAB says they likely have $3-8M left to spend. That obviously wouldn’t get you Berkman nor would it get Chipper even if he were to play.

    I have no idea where they go from here. I am beginning to think the DH played in AA or AAA last year if it isn’t Diaz or Canzler with the other the RH OF platoon.

    I would just as soon skip Juan Rivera or someone else on a fast track to retirement. See if Zoilo can be the LH DH. See if Mustelier can hit. I would much prefer that to an old player on the decline.

  307. ajr91205 January 7th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    The Yankees really need strong starting pitching this year. Hopefully Rivera returns to be as dominant and reliable as he used to be prior to his injury. I’m sad to see Swisher go, but it had to be done. In regards to Dickerson versus Canzler, I hope that Dickerson could find a spot on another team’s roster. He was a good player for the Yankees last year, but as you said, he just didn’t fit with this year’s team.

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