Holding out hope for another broken promise
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 07, 2013 
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I remember thinking my timing was pretty good. Brian Cashman had been asked about Rafael Soriano over and over and over again, and I happened to be the one on the phone when he finally decided to give a definitive response.
“I will not lose our No. 1 draft pick,” Cashman said. “I would have for Cliff Lee. I won’t lose our No. 1 draft pick for anyone else.”
That was two years ago today, the same day that Buster Olney tweeted about the Yankees being interested in Soriano only if he came “absurdly cheap.” It wasn’t going to happen. The Yankees weren’t willing to give the pick or the money necessary to sign Soriano.
Of course, within days Soriano was signed and Cashman was publicly explaining that ownership went over his head to get it done.
Two years later, is anyone expecting a similar surprise? All we’ve heard about is saving money, preparing for 2014 and being cautious in both the free agent and trade markets. As we start this first full week of 2013, is there any chance the Yankees will suddenly reverse course and make an impact move? Are things different because it’s ownership — and not only Cashman — talking about patience and a conservative approach?
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I believe Cashman and the ownership this year. They won’t do a last-minute, expensive signing.
Tee up the football, again, Lucy. I believe you won’t snatch it away before I can kick it this time.
i dont see any big money deal coming. i did think cash was working on some trades but its getting pretty late for that now as teams need to start looking to fill out their rosters around what they already have.
austinmac January 7th, 2013 at 9:12 am
The reason Chipper was not contacted is he would want plenty of money to play. RAB says they likely have $3-8M left to spend. That obviously wouldn’t get you Berkman nor would it get Chipper even if he were to play.
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They could be willing to go above that number for a 1 year deal.. I didn’t even realize Chipper was considering playing in 2013. I don’t really like him at all, but he can hit so whatevs.
Shame,
Come spring training we will be told there are no real games tomorrow.
It should be very clear that things have changed with ownership. Patience is another way of saying, waiting in hopes prices will drop. They have gone the other way for free agents, and perhaps in the trade market as well.
I have no reason to believe the Yankees have an open budget this year. We’re not the Dodgers. It doesn’t matter now anyway was there are no more one year guys who can play left out there.
i wonder if cervelli is going to play for team italy (or team venezuela) in the wbc this year.
The more important question is: Is this blog ready for the HOF debate on Wednesday?
I’m not sure I am.
@YankeesWFAN
Throwing yes. Goal is midseason return “@colivacz88: whats the update on Pinada? He throwing yet? Apologies if u mentioned it earlier”
No news is good news.
Upton and Morse aren’t big money
Ys,
I bet he plays on the Italian team. Without thinking too hard, I would think Venezuela has a pretty good catcher or two in front of Cervelli.
I hope he just comes to camp and learns the pitchers and impresses the team. With his shortcomings, he still has more ability than Stewart or Wilson. Romine? Who knows? I don’t.
YS – I’ve been looking for a date for when rosters might be announced but can’t find anything. I thought the games began in Feb, but it’s early March (3/2/13), so we might have another month or so of waiting to know.
mac – “Come spring training we will be told there are no real games tomorrow.”
i have a feeling craig biggio, jack morris and mike piazza will get in b/c people will leave bonds, clemens and sosa off thier ballots.
You trade for Upton and deal Granderson and you trim payroll
Blake,
I am not too sure the Yankees don’t look upon Upton’s contract as not being big money. That may well be why no Arizona source(pretending Cashman is stealth) have not whispered the Yankees as being remotely involved.
I do not believe they would add him to the payroll this year without trading Granderson.
I don’t think anybody is getting in this year….and none of these players may get in next year either when Maddax, Glavine, and Thomas will all be on the ballot
i hated mike piazza but how does he not get in?
There’s really no big surprise out there–nothing they can just throw money at. We should’ve grabbed Hamilton when we had the chance. Now our outfield is gonna slug a respectable OBP.
Ys Guy says:
January 7, 2013 at 9:32 am
i hated mike piazza but how does he not get in?
The writers are dumb
“I do not believe they would add him to the payroll this year without trading Granderson.”
Probably not….but they could do that. Uptons AAV is 8 million….you could eat 7 million of Granderson’s deal to trade him and still break even
I wish Laroche would go ahead and sign with the Nats cause IMO that’s one thing holding up the rest of the dominoes
Morse will make 6.75M this season before FA.
Interestingly the Nationals current opening day payroll is almost 80M while the Yankees are currently at almost 190M, but will be close to their highest opening day payroll set 210 of nearly 213.4M
Hopefully LaRoche will resign with the Nats this week and Morse will be traded to the Yankees.
That will give the Yankees 11 potential FA’s, 6 of them, or one half, of the 12 man pitching staff.
Piazza should be in. He is one of the best hittting catchers of all time. Could we at least have some evidence of steroid use before writers don’t vote for someone?
Suspicion, speculation and surmise. The triumvirate of foolish reasons to make a decision.
set in *2010* when all arb cases and other additions are made
Piazza should be in solely by virtue of the post-9/11 HR at Shea, one of the best “transcends the sport” moments of the last two decades.
Sorry, seven Free agent pitchers and likely many will have to be replaced from within if the Yankees lose all of them.
Bullpen: Logan, Aardsma,Joba, Rivera
Starters: Pettitte, Hughes and Kuroda
I get the writers maybe wanting to make a distinction by not letting some of these guys be first ballot guys.. but where there is literally no evidence I don’t see how they can leave guys like Piazza out. It will be interesting to see how things shake out.
“That will give the Yankees 11 potential FA’s, 6 of them, or one half, of the 12 man pitching staff.”
Interesting.. don’t know if I should feel good or bad about this, tbh.
blake January 7th, 2013 at 9:30 am
I don’t think anybody is getting in this year
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If that happens these writers are bigger jokes than I thought
“If that happens these writers are bigger jokes than I thought”
I think Biggio might squeak in….but probably nobody does
The only big money deal in the next year will probably be Cano.
I wish Laroche would go ahead and sign with the Nats cause IMO that’s one thing holding up the rest of the dominoes
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Rizzo’s phone will ring off the hook once that happens. He’s going to get a steal on Morse.
I’m afraid there is a nation of Notre Dame fans getting their hopes up way too high this morning
so this year’s team is near $210M in payroll towards the LT
big money guys coming off the books are kuroda (15M), pettitte (we assume) (12M) granderson (13M) mariano (we assume) (10M) and youkilis (12M)= 62M
(im gonna leave phil and joba and others out assuming that next year’s replacements will cost approximately the same $)
cano’s resigning will push is aav up by say 12M.
that leaves them with about $19M and they will need to fill out the rotation, LF, 3b and the bullpen.
they need guys like pineda (betances?), adams, heathcott/williams and nunez to step up this year. (and romine)
Shame,
It would be hard to replace all the open spots with players even if they had money to spend. This will be the largest roster turnover, perhaps ever, on the Yankees.
I truly don’t know any good way forward.
Shame-
If Piazza is elected to the HOF this week, would the Yankees be able to sign him to DH/C this season? Or would that effect his enshrinement in the HOF?
He’s only 44 yo, a year older than MO!!
“Rizzo’s phone will ring off the hook once that happens. He’s going to get a steal on Morse.”
Lets try to determine the teams that will call and how much they’d offer?
The Orioles, Braves, Rangers, Yankees, Phillies, and Mariners are who come to mind for me.
Two of those teams are in the same division and the Orioles are in the same market. How much would Seattle give up to rent Morse?
I think it “should” be a good opportunity for the Yanks
You’d think the Nats would prefer to deal Morse outside the NL east and outside the market they are fighting for…..
When you look at this like a game of musical chairs, there have been plenty of clubs looking for OF help…. I’m just doubtful the Yanks can even get Morse at this point.
The Orioles, Braves, Rangers, Yankees, Phillies, and Mariners are who come to mind for me.
Two of those teams are in the same division and the Orioles are in the same market. How much would Seattle give up to rent Morse?
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Whenever there’s competition, it’s good for the seller. Morse will be an overpay by someone.
sorry my math was off, they would have approx 29M to fill out the roster not 19M.
more coffee…
I still don’t get how RG3 and Strasburg are comparable situations…. at all.
YS,
I find it difficult to figure out 2014 money when I try to go backwards from the current number. But, if we go that route, and add in the stupid $10-12M fringe benefits kicker, I think they need to be about $40M cheaper next year.
Unknowns are many, such as Jeter’s health, and what he decides to do with the contract.
I see no way to meet the cap number without at least a half dozen rookies or very low end cost guys on the team.
I still wish they would have tried earleir to get players on reaonable multi year deals so wo many holes did not need to be filled at once. Maybe they did.
Suitors for Morse would need to be a contender who needs a RH bat to play outfield and DH if its an AL team……Texas would have interest…..but after sinking 11 million in Berkman that’s seems somewhat redundant…..the Yanks are a great fit for a trade and have some extra pieces that should interest the Nats
“Whenever there’s competition, it’s good for the seller. Morse will be an overpay by someone.”
Maybe….I just think the competition may not be as much as it seems….look what the Mariners got for Morales….
Ys Guy-
After figuring in all the AAV’s of all the contracts it would be best to look at a number of 177M for LT purposes, instead of 189M, figured at the end of the 2014 season. It’s estimated that players benefits[40 man] will be close to 12M for every team.
I still don’t get how RG3 and Strasburg are comparable situations…. at all.
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They aren’t.
Still, Shanahan was a massive failure on two fronts yesterday. 1) He did not protect his clearly distressed franchise QB and 2) He didn’t put his team in the best possible position to win.
He put Cousins in the game about an hour and a half too late.
I still don’t get how RG3 and Strasburg are comparable situations…. at all.
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Loose logic and sports discussion have long gone hand in hand.
look what the Mariners got for Morales
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Be about the same as Nova for Morse.
blake January 7th, 2013 at 10:10 am
“Whenever there’s competition, it’s good for the seller. Morse will be an overpay by someone.”
Maybe….I just think the competition may not be as much as it seems….look what the Mariners got for Morales….
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I think the Phillies are the most likely to end up with him, actually. They were brutal last year and ended up almost making a push for the playoffs. They might feel with a better start and less injuries, they’re only one player away.
I am encouraged that they at least had some sort of discussions with Berkman though.. maybe that means they’ll push harder for Morse.
Shame Spencer says:
January 7, 2013 at 10:07 am
I still don’t get how RG3 and Strasburg are comparable situations…. at all.
I see where he was going with it…..I mean the RedSkins are risking future injury to play a guy where the Nats risked it with no evidence at all that he would actually be more apt to get hurt.
Football and baseball are just different…..actually there was probably a lot more risk with RG3 than Strasburg……Id say exponentially more
“Be about the same as Nova for Morse.”
4 years of Nova vs 1 for Vargas? Even still is Nova a huge over pay if you had to give that? Some may say it is…..Id probably say not
ok so with the fringe benefits of $12M, they end up with about $17M to fill out the roster.
thats tight.
im just trying to get an accurate picture, not advocating one way or another.
when people start with something like ’5 guys make $120M’ its too hard to figure out what’s needed.
The comparison just makes no sense to me at all. I also dunno that you can equate head injuries with leg injuries in football.. football is a brutal physical sport. RG3 was able to stand up and walk off the field.. gives me hope it’s nothing that will effect his career.
Blake-
If Morse does become available it’ll be interesting which of those teams will be negotiating at the same time to see what pieces will get Upton vs Morse.
The Nats could use a lefty reliever.
Be about the same as Nova for Morse.
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Well, correcting myself, it would be a little different. Vargas much closer to free agency.
Can’t disregard the value of Morse only being a 1 year commitment though. Lot of teams would like that.
“I think the Phillies are the most likely to end up with him, actually”
Same division though……Philly would prolly have to give more than everyone else by a significant margin before the Nats would send an impact bat to the competition IMO
If Morse gets moved, we would have plenty of competition.
Football and baseball are just different…..actually there was probably a lot more risk with RG3 than Strasburg……Id say exponentially more
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Without a doubt there was more risk.. the kid was actually injured!! The comparisons to Strasburg make no sense because whatever injuries they were protecting Strasburg from, they were all speculative. Nothing speculative about RG3′s injury.
And I still dunno that I blame them for starting him, tbh. I probably just would have pulled him a lot sooner, since he became less effective in the 2nd half.
He put Cousins in the game about an hour and a half too late.
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I think that was an example of a coach being loyal to a fault, see Girardi, J.
blake January 7th, 2013 at 10:16 am
“I think the Phillies are the most likely to end up with him, actually”
Same division though……Philly would prolly have to give more than everyone else by a significant margin before the Nats would send an impact bat to the competition IMO
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Very true. Philly has just been too quite…
“Can’t disregard the value of Morse only being a 1 year commitment though. Lot of teams would like that.”
True but this late a lot of teams are close to their budgets and have set rosters…..I just don’t think morse is a fit for as many teams as it may seem and 3 of the ones he is are either in the same division or market. It’d need to be a contender who needs a RH bat…..Morse doesn’t play good defense and has a pretty short track record…..he has warts…. He just happens to be a great fit for what the Yanks need
cant see them trading nova for a one year guy. nova has to hold down a rotation spot for the next 3 years for this $189M plan to have a chance. trading him for a guy who’s an f/a after this year doesnt make any sense.
Would the Nats trade within the division?
Braves have lefties Eric O’Flaherty and Jonny Venters.
Which teams are contenders who need a RH outfielder?
Angels: don’t need outfielders
Tigers: maybe a fit there
Rangers: maybe but just signed Berkman
Yankees: perfect
Red Sox: depends on Napoli,good fit if that falls apart
Phillies: same division
Braves: same division
Orioles: great fit but same market
I’m sure there are others but those are the most likely suitors I can think of
I would doubt the Nats would deal with Atlanta unless they over paid by a good bit
If Hughes, Pettitte and Kuroda are all gone after this coming season, then your rotation is potentially:
Nova
Phelps
Pineda
and 2 question marks, potentially 3 if Pineda can’t fully recover.
If the Napoli deal falls through then Boston becomes a great fit for morse too assuming they didn’t sign Laroche…..Morse could play 1B and DH for them…..
I am so glad redskins are gone, I mean, they are GONE!
btw, Swisher looks so retarded in CLE uniform.
” Yankee Trader January 7th, 2013 at 10:24 am
If Hughes, Pettitte and Kuroda are all gone after this coming season, then your rotation is potentially:
Nova
Phelps
Pineda
and 2 question marks, potentially 3 if Pineda can’t fully recover.”
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is cc retiring?
Blake-
So start with lefty reliever Boone Logan. The only lefty relief pitcher the Nats currently have is Zach Duke and a minor leaguer Matt Purke, on the 40 man roster. In fact there are only 2 other lefties in Gonzalez and Detwiler.
Would you trade Logan plus other/others and hope you have enough LOOGY’s?
Ys Guy-
Brain freeze. How could I forget Sabathia? Your point however is well taken, that the Yankees can’t afford to deal Nova or Phelps for one year of Morse.
If i am the yankees and im insistent on being under 189, im trying to resign Hughes and letting Cano walk….. It would suck, but Cano’s 25 mil can go to securing Hughes in the rotation (13-15M/year) with CC for the next 4 years or more, and another 10-12 mil to someone else in an area of need.
“Would you trade Logan plus other/others and hope you have enough LOOGY’s?”
It depends on who the others are but of course…..Logan is replaceable and he’s a FA after 2013 too…..
Have to go.
Everyone have a great day. Maybe we’ll see some FA signings and trades this week.
Until later.
“If i am the yankees and im insistent on being under 189, im trying to resign Hughes and letting Cano walk….. It would suck, but Cano’s 25 mil can go to securing Hughes in the rotation (13-15M/year) with CC for the next 4 years or more, and another 10-12 mil to someone else in an area of need.”
I wouldn’t give Hughes that much now….but Cano is probably gonna cost more than they should give him on this budget
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(1) CINN VS HOU – BORING as hell game. Bengals shoulda been at home watching from a couch, but this is what parody will get you. GRADE – D
(2) MINNY VS GB – Another stinker. Both teams playing Not to lose, and putting everyone to sleep in the process. Night game in Jan at Green Bay, is somewhat intertaining to watch GRADE – C-
(3) INDY VS RAVENS – OK, so you gotta rookie QB cutting his teeth. So give him some Tylenol, and let him sleep it out, next to the rest of the viewin\ snoozing public. Also, I’m Already tired of the NFL promoted Ray Lewis farewell tour. I saw enough of him on Court TV back-in-the-day. GRADE – D
(4) SEATTLE vs WASHINGTON – That QB was Already mince meat, right before he threw the 2nd TD for the R\Skins. The dude couldn’t even put any weight on his leg\knee when standing in the huddle at that point. After that 2nd TD, it was like watching a demolition derby every time he took a snap. No pun intended. GRADE – D
BCS title predictions?
I’ll say 31-10 Bama
ND – 20
TIDE – 17
blake’s sounds more accurate but I hope Donny’s prediction is right. It would be fun to see the Irish take out Alabama
The Irish are playing the Varsity now….it’ll be interesting to see how they respond especially after the long layoff
I’ll be pulling for the Irish but Saban given a month to prepare is tough and SEC football is a whole different ball game than the Irish have faced….we’ll see….big chance for Notre Dame to put themselves back on top
Gonna be the Most Watched college football game of ALL TIME. Also, will begin the ascent of NCAA College Football overtaking the NFL. Gonna take time, but the implementing of a Playoff in college football in 2014 will accelerate the process appreciably. The unpredictability of the college game, along with the unbridled enthusiasm of the crowds, the bands, and all the trimings, makes an NFL game look like a game of shuffle board.
Also, will begin the ascent of NCAA College Football overtaking the NFL.
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hahahahaaa
College football is way more predictable than the NFL….the talent gaps between teams is much larger
The ownership is really cheap this year, don’t expect any big surprises.
When was the last time you saw a Fake punt or a fake field goal in the NFL? When was the last time an NFL Team wore a different colored jersey onto the field for a Big Game? When was the last time the kicker and a running back switched jerseys inna NFL game? Predictable? Thy name is the NFL.
when was the last time an NFL team used the ‘quick kick’ in a game?
So essentially you mean unpredictable in the sense that anything can happen (as long as it doesnt effect the outcome of the game) interesting
Jerkface January 7th, 2013 at 11:40 am
So essentially you mean unpredictable in the sense that anything can happen (as long as it doesnt effect the outcome of the game) interesting
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lol
I even love seeing a college team gather in the end zone, at the end of the game, and sing the alma mater with the crowd. Absolutely beautiful.
When was the last time you saw a fan run onto the field posing as a referee?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ6oqdN1LG4
Truly a glorious thing
DONNYBROOK January 7th, 2013 at 10:56 am
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Never seen four such boring NFL games in my life. Even when the Skins raced into a 14-0 lead, I had a feeling Seattle would still win comfortably. Predict a clean sweep for the bye teams this weekend. Let’s hope the BCS game tonight is more exciting (although I fear it could be another bust if Bama score first).
I have a nasty feeling the baseball season will be just a boring for Yankees fans. Apart from Cano (for at least one month per season), we don’t have one player that excites me.
Around my house today, “Rudy” will be playing onna endless loop, until game time. When was the last time an NFL player was carried off-the-field?
The Yankee pitching, just like the Irish D, is gonna keep them in the game.