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More than a five-step winter

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 08, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman set his priorities this winter.

1. Make as many moves involving Eli Whiteside as possible. Done.

2. Re-sign the Yankees free agent pitchers. Imagine this winter without Hiroki Kuroda, Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera on the roster. Bringing those three back was a must, and it was done early.

3. Plug the hole at third base. It seems re-signing Russell Martin was initially next on the list, but it’s funny how Martin got away just as the Yankees were settling on surgery for Alex Rodriguez. The Rodriguez news broke at the Winter Meetings, and within two weeks, Kevin Youkilis was on board.

4. Find a new right fielder. A qualifying offer to Nick Swisher was never going to do the trick, and there were early reports of Cashman telling Ichiro Suzuki’s camp that they had to wait. Eventually, it became clear that Ichiro was going to require two years, and so that was done.

5. Gather right-handed bats. Matt Diaz on a minor league deal. Russ Canzler off waivers. Now a report that the Yankees are still in the mix for Scott Hairston. If the Yankees are offering a contract large enough that Hairston accepts a part-time role, it takes the next priority off the list.

But this was never simply a five-step winter.

Pitchers and catchers report to Tampa in five weeks, and we still don’t have answers to the following questions. In some cases, we don’t have anything close to an answer. In recent years, Cashman and his team have done a nice job finding productive, overlooked players in late January and early February, and it looks like they’re going to attempt the same this winter.

Who’s the designated hitter? The fact the Yankees are waiting to fill this spot says a lot about their desire to balance that left-leaning outfield. Raul Ibanez wasn’t willing to wait around.

Who backs up the infield? The Yankees basically spent the past six months or more declaring Eduardo Nunez an unfit utility option. Can they suddenly change their opinion due to lack of options? If Canzler makes the team, he can, in theory, back up at the corners, but then who plays up the middle? What if Canzler doesn’t make the team at all? Is Jayson Nix off the 40-man but still a favorite for the 25-man?

Which veteran is coming to camp to fight for the fifth starter spot? You know it’s going to be someone. You just know it.

Which catcher is going to start on Opening Day? The question we might not answer until Joe Girardi posts his lineup on April 1.

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110 Responses to “More than a five-step winter”

  1. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    im hoping they have changed their minds about eduardo. i think he’s going to be needed at 3b more than ss this year.

  2. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    They have to make Nunez a super sub. Any other non-starting role is a waste of talent on a team with talent deficiencies.

  3. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    its fair to say, though that eduardo needs to get his head out of his butt because he has the skills to be a much better fielder than he has shown, his errors are all in his head and he makes them on easy plays.

  4. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    ” Rich in NJ January 8th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    If they want compete this season,based on what they know now, they need Hughes.”
    ====================================================
    i agree. i dont think the yanks have a pitcher to move at this point without bringing back a pitcher. it’s true that nova and phelps haven’t proven that they can be rotation stalwarts at this point, but you need to be expanding the pool of possibilities or at least not shrinking it moving into 2014 and 2015.

  5. blake January 8th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Rich in NJ says:
    January 8, 2013 at 9:11 am
    They have to make Nunez a super sub. Any other non-starting role is a waste of talent on a team with talent deficiencies.

    They tried that….he can’t defend well enough to play multiple positions

  6. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    I do not agree they will add a starter. That is, unless one is traded, which I doubt.

    Personally, I cannot believe Nunez couldn’t be an acceptable sub. He has value doing that far above that as a DH.

  7. blake January 8th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Whether you can trade Nova or not depends on what you think he is…..if you think he’s a mid rotation starter who can eat innings and cheaply fill the #3 or 4 spot in the rotation for the next 4 years then no you shouldn’t trade him unless the return is really good……but if you think he’s a 5 then those guys are easy to find either on cheap one year deals or internally…..I tend to think he’s closer to the latter but if you don’t then I respect that opinion

  8. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    i was looking forward to two things yesterday. first was that my gf and I were headed for a mini vacation down the shore and second was the knicks celtics game (i made sure to get prior clearance from the gf…)

    we got to the B&B (great room!) had a somewhat dissappointing dinner and got back to the room just in time for the tip.

    ….except they dont get msg down here so i missed the game entirely…..(made the gf happy though!)

  9. Shame Spencer January 8th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    blake January 8th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    “Rich in NJ says:
    January 8, 2013 at 9:07 am
    blake

    They did send him for the test. As laymen, it is reasonable for them to listen to what their “experts” told them.”

    True….perhaps they need better experts

    ————–

    I think I’d lean more towards agreeing with Rich if they didn’t scape goat him.. he was obviously not healthy and they insisted he was.

  10. blake January 8th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    “I think I’d lean more towards agreeing with Rich if they didn’t scape goat him.. he was obviously not healthy and they insisted he was.”

    That’s what I don’t get….it would have been much easier just to say ….look he’s not right physically… It would have saved Arod embarrassment and a ton of questions…..even if they didnt no exactly what was wrong with him it was clear something was wrong

  11. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    I saw one of the NY papers had a story about Cashman getting sued in connection with the committment of his ex-squeeze. His fun winter is now more fun.

    We men can be stupid, can’t we?

  12. 86w183 January 8th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Morning folks —–

    At this point I’d vote to sign Hairston AND Luke Scott.

    Let them join Ichiro, Gardner, Granderson and Nunez in an OF/DH/Bench type rotation. Four of the six are in the lineup and two of the six are on the bench every day, which isn’t too bad.

  13. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    arod identifying the correct hip as injured might have saved him the embarrasement, too.

    not to mention not working chicks in the stands during games…

  14. Shame Spencer January 8th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    “It would have saved Arod embarrassment and a ton of questions”

    They probably didn’t want to spare him that.. and I don’t really like the tone it sets.

  15. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    let’s face it, whatever ‘situation’ the centaur finds himself in, he’s going to do something dumb to make it worse.

  16. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    bear in mind that arod put the yankees on the hook for $30M in bonus money that turned out to be a complete waste b/c of his not-disclosed PED usage. and there was the incident with the women in the stands during the playoffs while all this drama was going on.

    i really can’t blame the yankees organization if they’ve decided to just let arod stew in whatever mess he finds himself in.

    in this case, he said he had a problem with his right hip (im sure that sent out alarm bells) so they sent him to the experts who proclaimed him healthy.

  17. blake January 8th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    “bear in mind that arod put the yankees on the hook for $30M in bonus money”

    The Yanks offered it to him….can’t blame Arod for taking it

  18. Jerkface January 8th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    i really think the owners slipped the LT increase past the players. they had gone along with a 40% top LT for the last cba and it didnt seem to make any difference (even though only one team ever paid the top price) so they probably thought it didn’t much matter.

    but it turned out that the small market teams got pretty much exactly what they wanted. the top LT % was enough to make the yankees pull back (we’ll see what the dodgers do in a couple of years) and the draft pool puts them on an even footing with the big clubs.

    I don’t think any of the luxury tax stuff is a loss for the players. Its a win actually. The increase in the threshold negates any increase in percentage (top was 42.5% before anyways, so its only a 7.5% increase). They also got the ability to reset the luxury tax, which did not exist before.

    The big losses are on the draft, international free agency, & this qual offer nonsense. The players screwed over non-members (amateurs) to hopefully spur owners to spend more in free agency, but they didn’t realize the domino effect of tying draft pool to draft picks.

  19. blake January 8th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    The Yankees choose to let Arods contract hold them back

  20. 4TrainNorth January 8th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Nova is has a bad attitude, and will never cut it in the bigs again. The handlers need to do a better job with these guys, especially the ones prone to making idiotic comments to the media. There’s definitely a correlation between these kind of missteps and one’s career trajectory. Nova is DONE.

  21. Cashmoney January 8th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    baseball asides, I think of the Rod as the perfect poster boy for metrosexual clubber… when he opens his mouth, I think of him as a moron. In so many ways Arod is Miami.

    baseball wise, he has been one of the best ever but I think he is about to be done as a power hitter.

  22. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Rich in NJ January 8th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    They have to make Nunez a super sub. Any other non-starting role is a waste of talent on a team with talent deficiencies.
    —————

    It isn’t about just declaring Nunez as a super sub. I’m sure that the Yankees would love for him to have that role – the problem is that he is terrible in the field at 2b and 3b and only marginal at SS. What they should have done is convert him to an OF and then they would have their RH hitting OF option. Or they should trade him.

  23. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 10:00 am

    “blake January 8th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    “bear in mind that arod put the yankees on the hook for $30M in bonus money”

    The Yanks offered it to him….can’t blame Arod for taking it”
    ==========================================================
    this completely ignores the fact that arod cheated with PED’s and the disclosure of this little tidbit is the reason that his home run milestones have no value.

    he wont get all of that money, he may only get $6M of it, but whatever he gets he got it through bad faith bargaining.

  24. Yankeesmvp1 January 8th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    As far as a starting catcher why not just suit up Girardi. He’s still probably their best option, LOL!! In reality I’m a big Romine fan. We don’t need a catcher who can hit, we need a catcher who can catch, and I think he’s our best option, other than Girardi.

  25. Tackelberry January 8th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    I agree on Luke Scott. He’d can DH and also play the outfield. He’s the best of the left handed options left on the market. If Hairston can be pursuaded to take a 1 year deal, then he’s a no brainer

  26. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I watched Yankee Hot Stove (or whatever it’s called) last night on YES; is there any “expert” more clueless than Barry Bloom of MLB? His take on the Yankees – specifically how it relates to their pursuit of Soriano – was just laughable. I thought at certain points that Curry and Klapisch were going to call him an effing moron.

    Speaking of laughable – Jon Heyman’s HOF Ballot article.

    He voted for Morris, originally he listed among Morris’s accolades that he started 14 straight opening days and was better than his teammate Bert Blyleven who is a hall of famer – Morris and Blyleven were NEVER TEAMMATES.

    Additionally he voted for Schilling because he was good/not dominant but did so during the steroid era while never being caught using himself. On the other hand he didn’t vote for Bagwell or Piazza who were great and who also were never caught using steroids, but he says he needs to see more proof that those two didn’t use before he will consider voting for them.

    Seriously, the guy’s an idiot.

  27. pat January 8th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    “arod identifying the correct hip as injured might have saved him the embarrasement, too.”

    I asked an Orthopod when Alex was initially diagnosed about this. His explanation was most body parts operate independently but hips, like eyes, are usually about both sides coordinating with each other for proper function. Alex’s right hip history made everyone focus there and the right hip muscles could have been compensating for the” frozen” left hip muscles which may have caused more pain in the healthier (right) hip because the left side was already “numb”.

  28. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    I’m not sure the players are suffering too much from the recent CBA when we see the inflation of ths salaries. Some could lose out, but it was up to them to make the proper decision in deciding to accept the offer.

    If a player isn’t complaining of pain or limitations in a bodypart, I don’t see how the team or it’s doctors can know of a problem. In hindsight, it would have been nice to have the problem discovered and the surgery a few months ago. I will be surprised if we see anything like the old AROD. The surgeon noted he was optimistic, but what would one expect a surgeon to believe before surgery? He did note many unknowns still exist.

    I hope we are investigating the Cuban shortstop. Ours is nearing 40, and no help in the minors to be seen.

  29. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    YS Guy –

    MLB was essentially saved by steroids when you had Mac and Sosa chasing Maris. Owners knew, or at least suspected, when these contracts were being handed out – it was the elephant in the room.

  30. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    “this completely ignores the fact that arod cheated with PED’s and the disclosure of this little tidbit is the reason that his home run milestones have no value”

    He won 2 MVPs with the Yankees after stopping taking them and had maybe his best season in 2007 after testing started.

  31. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Blake -

    I’m not convinced the game is clean now. Just that the players who want an edge are using something that there’s probably no test for.

  32. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    “His explanation was most body parts operate independently but hips, like eyes, are usually about both sides coordinating with each other for proper function. Alex’s right hip history made everyone focus there and the right hip muscles could have been compensating for the” frozen” left hip muscles which may have caused more pain in the healthier (right) hip because the left side was already “numb”.”

    Shouldn’t orthopedic surgeons know this an check both hips then when their is a problem?

  33. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    There is a problem

  34. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    i hated piazza. but there is absolutely no excuse for not voting him in to the HOF.

    i liked biggio being a long islander and an aquaintence with his seton hall coach. again, absolutely no excuse for him not being voted in.

  35. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    On another note – I’ve come around on something – When Cashman originally said that Romine will likely start in AAA I forgot my rule about never listening to what he says. I had been advocating the Yankees sign a Barajas, Shoppach or Snyder – I was wrong. I think the likely scenario is that the Yankees open camp with Romine, Cervelli, Stewart and Wilson with an eye towards Romine being the starter and the other three fighting for the back up spot. If Romine doesn’t show he’s ready, THEN the Yankees will pick someone up.

  36. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Chip says:
    January 8, 2013 at 10:08 am
    Blake -

    I’m not convinced the game is clean now. Just that the players who want an edge are using something that there’s probably no test for.

    It’ll never be 100% clean….but it’s probably the cleanest it’s been in the history of the sport IMO…..

  37. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Bonds, Bagwell, Clemens, Biggio, Piazza, Raines should be on every ballot.

  38. Cashmoney January 8th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    I am pretty sure Ramiro Pena was on PED when he hit those dribblers up the middle for singles.
    caveat emptor ATL! also, I think it’s time to test the beat writers for PED or Cannibis usage.

  39. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Blake,

    Let’s be realistic. We don’t know if AROD took steroids while on the Yankees. We do know once he admitted it, he has not been the same player. Related? Who knows?

    That is all water under the bridge. I agree the Yankees made an awful decison with him, but letting that drag the team to a possible significant fall is a worse decision.

  40. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Chip says:
    January 8, 2013 at 10:13 am
    Bonds, Bagwell, Clemens, Biggio, Piazza, Raines should be on every ballot.

    Agreed….

  41. pat January 8th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    “Speaking of laughable – Jon Heyman’s HOF Ballot article. ”

    Throw Bob Klapisch onto that list too. He said he voted for Bonds because there was no proof or admission he used PEDs only suspicion. Bonds admitted using the Cream and Clear from Balco.

  42. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    “Let’s be realistic. We don’t know if AROD took steroids while on the Yankees. We do know once he admitted it, he has not been the same player. Related? Who knows?”

    His 2009 postseason was after the admission…..his decline in performance started when he hit his mid 30s and when the hip issues started…..personally I don’t think Arod ever needed PEDs and think he would have put up close to the same numbers with or without them because he took them in his prime when he had HOF ability anyways……that’s JMO

  43. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    I like Luke Scott as a DH option for the Yankees. I think though that Cashman is looking at the DH spot as something he needs to fill for the first couple of months and then he’s anticipating having Alex and Youk splitting DH/3b. Whether that’s realistic or not, I don’t know. I agree with Blake in that there’s no guarantee that Alex comes back at all this year.

    If that’s the case, then they might be better served going with a guy like Kelly Johnson or Adam Kennedy who could fill the DH role and serve a role on the bench backing up at multiple positions.

  44. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    I would rather have Girardi come back than wasting time and money on Barajas. He can’t hit and threw out 10% of base stealers last year.

    Romine is our best hope. Please no Stewart.

  45. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Pat,

    Bonds also said he didn’t know that those were steroids at the time he took them. Now, whether you believe him or not is up to you; but the fact is that Bonds never failed a test and the government tried to prove that he lied and failed in that pursuit (much like they did with Clemens)

  46. Yankee Trader January 8th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Chip and Blake-

    Seems like the current PED of choice is testosterone with the availability to mask it. Here’s a new possible masking agent for testosterone that needs human studies:

    http://scienceillustrated.com......ic-doping/

  47. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    I would rather have Girardi come back than wasting time and money on Barajas. He can’t hit and threw out 10% of base stealers last year.

    Romine is our best hope. Please no Stewart.
    ——————

    If Romine isn’t ready – I still think a trade for Washington’s Kurt Suzuki makes the most sense

  48. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    whenever this discussion happens people on here muddy the subject with crap about writers and players not making $6M per ‘milestone’ hr. but whatever.

    im just saying, even if you don’t agree with it, the yankees FO may well have decided at some point to just let arod stew in whatever muck he finds himself in.

    personally, i was vocally against re-signing him after the opt-out and in favor of trying to void the contract when he admitted ped usage.

  49. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Ys Guy –

    Can’t void the contract – no legal reason to do so. As for not signing him in the first place; I think if Cashman could have he would have but Hank and Hal overruled him. Likely based on Randy Levine’s suggestion that it was a moneymaker for the Yankees.

  50. DONNYBROOK January 8th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    The Hip Dr says A-Rod had Pain and Trouble doing a simple leg-lift. Yet the Dr tending to him at the Emergency Section of the hospital, 2 months earlier, Failed to “discover” this? And instead focused on the Other hip, and ran an MRI on that hip? This sounds like a guy going into the Emergency Room complaing about shooting pains in his left arm, and the Dr simply X-Rays the guys arm, and does Not run a EKG. Doesn’t happen. You go to Emergency, you get checked out thoroughly. Malpractice helps makes this Priority 1. My guess is A-Rod tore the hip up After the emergency room examination, and did it during an activity that either would have, or might have, voided his contract.

  51. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    chip you have no way of knowing if they could have voided the contract as they never tried. there is even the chance that they could have reached a settlement with arod and the union to alter the contract.

    but they decided not to pursue that option.

  52. pat January 8th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Chip

    Bonds is a HOFer if I had a vote. I just find the “experts” who try to rationalize their decision with factual inaccuracies obnoxious.

    If you are letting a character clause be your guide, it seems odd to me to reward someone you believe is lying over someone who told the truth when confronted.

  53. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    “Seems like the current PED of choice is testosterone with the availability to mask it. Here’s a new possible masking agent for testosterone that needs human studies:”

    Awesome….Babe Ruth’s PED of choice

  54. Yankee Trader January 8th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    It was mentioned last night on MLB.TV that Jack Morris had 175 complete games with an ERA of 3.90 all in the AL with the DH, while Curt Schilling’s ERA was 4.00 when he pitched in the AL.

    Will any pitcher get in this year?

  55. Cashmoney January 8th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Donny, my source in CIA tells me that there is 8.6 pct of probabilities the above scenario occurred. U think he was Centauring too hard?

  56. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    “Will any pitcher get in this year?”

    I don’t think any player at all will get in this year….Biggio might squeak in

  57. Chip January 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    chip you have no way of knowing if they could have voided the contract as they never tried. there is even the chance that they could have reached a settlement with arod and the union to alter the contract.

    but they decided not to pursue that option.
    —————–

    Two things:

    Union would never EVER allow that to happen. They wouldn’t let Alex reduce the total money on his first contract to facilitate a trade to Boston, they certainly weren’t going to set the precedent that teams can reduce the value of contracts for those members caught doing steroids.

    Second, the reason the Yankees didn’t go through the motions is because they knew it would be wasted effort.

  58. Mike Ri January 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Will any pitcher get in this year?

    —-
    Lee Smith and Morris should be in

  59. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    AROD made his steroid admission in February, 2009, at age 32. Since then, he had a couple of good years, but nothing like previous years with a 35 home run total his best.

    At the time I thought AROD can prove his Hall of Fame qualifications by putting up great numbers thereafter. They were good, but not great, IMO.

    The Yankees better plan for this year and beyond as if AROD will be either a non-player or a part-time limited player. If they get more, great, but they cannot expect it.

  60. DONNYBROOK January 8th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    You noticed how “ragged” Madonna looks?

  61. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    “At the time I thought AROD can prove his Hall of Fame qualifications by putting up great numbers thereafter. They were good, but not great, IMO.”

    Yea but he admitted to taking only while in Texas….I guess it depends on whether or not you believe him because he won 2 MVPs after leaving the Rangers

  62. DONNYBROOK January 8th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    I would vote for Piazza, and that would be it.

  63. Cashmoney January 8th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    I guess it depends on whether or not you believe him because he won 2 MVPs after leaving the Rangers
    ———-
    No. Since we on the Rangers, you believe Ron W. only did coke once?

  64. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    settlements happen not because the settlers decide out of the goodness of their hearts to stop but rather because they thinnk they might lose more in court. again you dont know what would have happened had they moved to void the contract.

    secondly, it is more likely the yankees didnt pursue voiding the contract bc they thought his production would be worth keepging the contract.

  65. Madrugador January 8th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    ARod may have only used while he was a Ranger but he must not have been a casual user. Most players don’t even have one hip surgery, ARod is going to end up with bilateral surgeries. Pretty darned unusual. ARod had the potential to be a good or even a great player without the drugs but now who can tell?

  66. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Nobody said Alex took PEDs only one time….but it’s reasonable to think he only took them while in Texas….he was there 3 years and they started testing before the 2006 season…..

  67. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    i think its as ‘reasonable to think’ that arod used since high school as to think that he only used in texas.

  68. Cashmoney January 8th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Because that’s Washington said, blake. Personally, I think the Rod roided in NYY uniform. It’s more of skepticism test than drawing a parallel. Sort like you believe Braun was innocent and I don’t.

  69. DONNYBROOK January 8th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    I don’t care how many times a guy used. PED users should have the HOF doors nailed shut.

  70. AAA January 8th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    Nobody said Alex took PEDs only one time….but it’s reasonable to think he only took them while in Texas….he was there 3 years and they started testing before the 2006 season….

    ======================================

    Didn’t test for HGH. There is no reasonable or unreasonable here. We just don’t know. Not just about Rodriguez, but about anyone.

    Not inclined to hold PEDs against him or anyone else because we have no clue who was using them and can’t ignore all those (“clean” players, managers, coaches, FO personnel, MLB, MLBPA) whose inaction served as tacit approval.

  71. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    “Sort like you believe Braun was innocent and I don’t.”

    Well I either believe he was innocent or that he didnt need them to begin with….because like Arod was….he’s in his prime now and very talented …..

  72. DONNYBROOK January 8th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Same goes for Braun. He flat-out Flunked a test. NO HOF

  73. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    “Didn’t test for HGH. There is no reasonable or unreasonable here. We just don’t know. Not just about Rodriguez, but about anyone.”

    Correct….I don’t assume what he did or didn’t do…..

  74. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    I have practiced trial law since the beginning of time. Nothing can be done with his contract now. However, I still wonder if they could have argued he misrepresented to them that he didn’t do steroids to try to void the contract at the time. Surely, his steroid use made the bonus money pointless since passing home run marks will be met with a collective yawn. It also could be argued it made him more susceptible to injuries.

  75. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    January 8, 2013 at 10:48 am
    Same goes for Braun. He flat-out Flunked a test. NO HOF

    Which he was cleared of

  76. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    “They tried that….he can’t defend well enough to play multiple positions”

    True, but if Jeter starts most games at SS (as we hope), and that remains Nunez’s only position as a backup, he has almost no value, and he has really never shown the type of bat merit to DHing him.

    It’s not like Youkilis is a good defensive 3B, and the idea of all of Gardner, Granderson, and Ichiro are anywhere from sort of average to awful v. LHP.

    So I don’t think they have a choice, unless they trade Nunez, and should live with the errors in the hope that they would reduce over time.

  77. DONNYBROOK January 8th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    He was NOT “cleared” of failing a drug test.

  78. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    “I think I’d lean more towards agreeing with Rich if they didn’t scape goat him.. he was obviously not healthy and they insisted he was.”

    Shame

    Don’t make me defend Cashman or Girardi, I’m begging you.

  79. Jerkface January 8th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    A baseball team cannot void a players contract when that players physical abilities are not what are reported (ie fastball, whatever), they sure as heck arent gonna be able to void a contract when baseball itself has an arbitrated process to handle the specific violation.

    They’d have to prove that A-rod or his agents maliciously misrepresented something.

  80. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Braun has met the post-steroid test of production. He has been just as good after his admission. Most are not.

    Could he be using something today? No doubt, but one would think he would be hesitant.

  81. AAA January 8th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Surely, his steroid use made the bonus money pointless since passing home run marks will be met with a collective yawn

    ===============================

    Like Bonds’ 73rd homer and 756th homer were?

  82. pat January 8th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    CJNitkowski
    No. If I could make one legal in baseball would be tough choice. RT @KevinBassStache Do you see a difference in “greenies”, steroids, HGH?

  83. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    January 8, 2013 at 10:52 am
    He was NOT “cleared” of failing a drug test.

    He was cleared that the test was invalid…..

  84. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    JF,

    Malice is not required, but they would have needed to prove intentional misrepresentation that caused the Yankees to enter into a contract they would not have entered into otherwise. As I said the other day, the CBA could prevent any such claim. I don’t know.

    In any event, it is all academic now. He is ours and we owe him.

  85. DONNYBROOK January 8th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    What a player is able to achieve after failing a drug test is irrelevant. You Fail a test, the HOF should be Off Limits.

  86. AAA January 8th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    He has been just as good after his admission.

    ===========================

    He made no admission, did he?

  87. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    i didnt even bother turning on the tv to watch bonds pass aaron. even though watching aaron pass mays was one of the most memorable moments in my baseball fan life.

  88. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    oops ruth not mays of course

  89. Jerkface January 8th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Ya thats more of what I meant, Austin. I’m obviously not a lawyer.

  90. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    As has been said many times about Braun, he was not found to have violated the rules since the test handling did not meet scientific standards for reliability.

  91. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    “So I don’t think they have a choice, unless they trade Nunez, and should live with the errors in the hope that they would reduce over time.”

    I think they are in a tough spot with Nunez….he’s too old to waste away in the minors and there is no every day spot for him in the big leagues….

  92. DONNYBROOK January 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    The “process” by which the test was handled caused the reversal.

  93. blake January 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    January 8, 2013 at 10:55 am
    What a player is able to achieve after failing a drug test is irrelevant. You Fail a test, the HOF should be Off Limits.

    Bonds never failed a test

  94. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    “…but they would have needed to prove intentional misrepresentation that caused the Yankees to enter into a contract they would not have entered into otherwise. ”

    I think Goldman Sach’s advice to the Yankees had a lot to do with entering into that contract.

  95. DONNYBROOK January 8th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Yanks put themselves in the current Nunez situation.

  96. DONNYBROOK January 8th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Bonds admitted to the Grand Jury having used.

  97. randy l. January 8th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    “Do you see a difference in “greenies”, steroids, HGH?”

    actually, i have really good eyesight and never thought it was fair people who couldn’t see well could wear glasses .

    if someone who has naturally high testosterone gets a strength boost , why shouldn’t people who are testosterone deprived get a boost to compete the way players with bad eyes do?

  98. Jerkface January 8th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    The CBA actually disallows a team from voiding any guaranteed years due to events happening or not happening.

  99. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Yes, the “process” is obviously meant to insure the test is accurate. All scientific tests have processes. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be scientific.

    AAA, your right. I mispoke when I said admission about Braun. I should have said after his testing.

  100. blake January 8th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    There is probably a difference in greenies and steroids (it likely varies between players) but I don’t think we can be all santimonious about steroids and totally ignore that many many players currently in the HOF took amphetamines…..they are illegal now too

  101. blake January 8th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    January 8, 2013 at 11:00 am
    Yanks put themselves in the current Nunez situation.

    You could argue Nunez did by not being able to play defense…..

  102. blake January 8th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    If Nunez could play defense like Andrus or Simmons then he’d either be playing in NY or they would have traded him for Upton by now

  103. tucker January 8th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 10:49 am
    I have practiced trial law since the beginning of time. Nothing can be done with his contract now. However, I still wonder if they could have argued he misrepresented to them that he didn’t do steroids to try to void the contract at the time. Surely, his steroid use made the bonus money pointless since passing home run marks will be met with a collective yawn. It also could be argued it made him more susceptible to injuries.
    Xxxxx

    Mac, interesting question. Though this could have raised more trouble for the Yanks that it was worth. Under such a suit, could you envision a scenario under discovery that the Yanks execs would be deposed about their knowledge of other suspected PED users who played for the team?

  104. Ys Guy January 8th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    its up to nunez first and girardi second.

    hopefully nunez plays d well enough that they stop worrying about him and hits well enough that they want him in the lineup more often than just as jeter’s b/u.

    then its up to girardi.

  105. randy l. January 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    “No. Since we on the Rangers, you believe Ron W. only did coke once?”

    i’ve never done cocaine in my life , but what does ron w. doing coke have anything to do with peds?

    i was also around wash for a season. he was the shortstop on a team i was the bullpen catcher for. there’s not a more solid baseball person. he’s all business on the field.

  106. Yankee Trader January 8th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    Apparently Braun’s testosterone/epitestosterone ratio was off the charts. Although I have no idea of how much higher than a ratio of 6/1 it was, it’s quite possible that the sample was tainted in some way.

    Austinmac-

    I wonder if most mlb contracts have moral turpitude clauses in them that would allow for teams to render contracts null and void. I know that steroid abuse would not fall under that category, but that clause would protect teams in case a player was convicted of a crime, of moral terpitude, which has various meanings.

    Any thoughts?

  107. Rich in NJ January 8th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    “Mac, interesting question. Though this could have raised more trouble for the Yanks that it was worth. Under such a suit, could you envision a scenario under discovery that the Yanks execs would be deposed about their knowledge of other suspected PED users who played for the team?”

    Let alone potentially poison their relationship with agents and players.

  108. Yankee Trader January 8th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    New Post————–>

  109. austinmac January 8th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    AAA,

    When Bonds was passing the records, he wasn’t an acknowledged PED user. Suspected, but not admitted or proven. Heck, I went and saw him hit no. 70 in Houston.

    Do you really think anyone is going to come to the park to watch AROD pass Mays? I absolutely do not. The remainder of the bonus numbers may be unlikely anyway, but passing Aaron would not do much since it is another user passing him.

  110. West Coast Yankee January 8th, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Cashman has demonstrated yet again this winter that he’s the most useless GM in baseball. He doesn’t understand players, and he barely understands the game. Any owner who cares about the success of the team should have fired him (IMO long ago).

    Chad’s statement “It seems re-signing Russell Martin was initially next on the list, but it’s funny how Martin got away just as the Yankees were settling on surgery for Alex Rodriguez” just blows me away. With the size staff the Yankees have, they should be able to deal with more than one thing at a time. My only conclusion is that they have no intention of competing seriously this year, and anybody who is putting $$$ in Hal Steinbrenner’s pockets should be ashamed of himself. With the revenues the team has, they have no business fielding a lineup that’s lost over 1/3 of their power, have no speed, and is just getting old.

    I’m disgusted.


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