Hall of Fame shutout
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 09, 2013 
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Craig Biggio got the largest vote total, but no one was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame this afternoon. The results were just announced on MLB Network.
Eleven players received at least 30 percent of the vote, with 75 percent required for election. Here are the top vote getters.
Craig Biggio – 388 votes (68.2%)
Jack Morris — 385 votes (67.7%)
Jeff Bagwell — 339 votes (59.6%)
Mike Piazza — 329 votes (57.8%)
Tim Raines — 297 votes (52.2%)
Lee Smith — 272 votes (47.8%)
Curt Schilling — 221 votes (38.8%)
Roger Clemens — 214 votes (37.6%)
Barry Bonds — 206 votes (36.2%)
Edgar Martinez — 204 votes (35.9%)
Alan Trammell — 191 votes (33.6%)
Larry Walker — 123 votes (21.6%)
Fred McGriff — 118 votes (20.7%)
Dale Murphy — 106 votes (18.6%)
Mark McGwire — 96 votes (16.9%)
Don Mattingly — 75 votes (13.2%)
Sammy Sosa — 71 votes (12.5%)
Rafael Palmeiro — 50 votes (8.8%)
Bernie Williams — 19 votes (3.3%)
Full results are available at the BBWAA website.
Bernie Williams will fall off the ballot next year because he didn’t get enough votes to stay (same for David Wells and Kenny Lofton). Dale Murphy will fall off the ballot because he’s reached his 15-year limit.
Interesting to see the stunningly low vote total of Sammy Sosa, and interesting to see Mike Piazza and Curt Schilling finish ahead of Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens.
shamockery
Just lost 20 bucks !!
YES Network ?@YESNetwork
Craig Biggio received the highest vote total: 68%. #MLB #HOF
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Clemens 37.6 %, Bonds 36.2 %
Joke complete joke
I wish the Marlins would trade Giancarlo right now.
How many of these baseball writers played baseball? #haters.
Suck that rocket!
Don’t get how Piazza didn’t get in unless those non-votes were all due to the PED speculation.
He wasn’t just the most productive catcher of his time (along with I-Rod) but also an annual MVP candidate.
I’m not going to lose any sleep over it but the baseball Hall of Fame is turning into as much of a joke as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
I’m sure that the writers are quite proud of themselves.
Chip January 9th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
The Return of Stoneburner January 9th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
No excuse for failing to trade for Morse – – – -
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Well there are some that are acceptable:
Nationals finding an offer they like better being the top one.
As I said yesterday – try to expand the deal; get Suzuki included too – then to make it financially work deal Granderson and his $15M for Murphy and a prospect.
Mike Piazza — 329 votes (57.8%)
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ABSURD.
I sent this to Ken Davidoff this morning; in light of today’s results, it is even more true:
I used to love the Hall of Fame. I would go there at least once a year with my dad, to me it was the greatest museum on the planet. Not just because of the history, but because I got to watch it change, I got to, as I got older, talk with friends about who should be in it and who shouldn’t. I loved every part of it.
Now the BBWAA has taken that away from me.
All this exaggerated hand wringing over these phony struggles with morality, all the whining about how “this is so hard” or the symbolic submission of blank ballots because of righteous indignation over the steroid era; it’s garbage. It is a way for writers and columnists to scream through social media, television, radio and of course their columns “look at me!!!!” I disagreed with your choices because I thought you used things you didn’t understand in making those decisions, but at least your logic was sound. You didn’t engage in some “here I am, I’m making a decision” nonsense like some of your contemporaries. You made a mistake, you owned up to it, and you move on from here. But for some of these other writers to say that they need to wait on Piazza or Bagwell or Biggio because they need more evidence that those players did not do steroids before giving them a vote is nonsense (Heyman). To say that they are voting for Mattingly, Lee Smith, Curt Schilling because they won’t knowingly vote for a doper (Sandomir) when there is no more or less evidence of those players doping than there was for Piazza, Bagwell, Sosa, Biggio is an utter farce.
I thought it was bad when one writer left Hideki Matsui off his Rookie of the Year ballot because in his mind he didn’t consider Matsui a rookie, but this Hall of Fame stuff is just beyond compare.
To me, the professional sports writer has become a little like the Angel Hernandez or Joe West style of umpire; he (or she) has forgotten who it is the fans want to see and decided to put the focus on themselves. I don’t know, maybe this is the result of expanded television and radio opportunities available to sports writers; people want to blow the hardest so that they get noticed by ESPN or MLB Network and become the next Gammons or Stark. Whatever the reason, it has taken the joy out of something I enjoyed for 30 years. I completely and totally respect what TJ Quinn did in giving up his vote based on the notion that as a writer he is in the business of reporting the news and not being the news. I wish more of your colleagues believed the same way.
Bonds vote total more than double that of McGwire??? NO consistency outta the HOF Voters.
I completely get the writers sending a message to a guy like Bonds, who was an admitted user, by not giving him the ‘first ballot Hall of Famer’ title….. but for anyone that has never been a proven/admitted user, I dunno how you apply that to your vote.
Yogi Berra wasn’t elected first ballot either. Piazza has better numbers but not by much.
Nothing exemplary the failure of Bud Selig than this.
Piazza should been an overwhelming addition to The Hall.
Chip January 9th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
I’m sure that the writers are quite proud of themselves.
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Of course they are all taking bows. Once again it’s more about them then the actual HOF itself. Forget the fact they turned a blind eye to it for yrs but now want to be crusaders.
good letter Chip…..
DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Bonds vote total more than double that of McGwire??? NO consistency outta the HOF Voters.
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Bonds was a much better ball player than McGwire.
“Bonds was a much better ball player than McGwire.”
They aren’t even in the same universe.
wonder if there is a cause of action for a clean player against the writers – - – -the player is a public figure so such player would need to prove malice – but given the way certain writers are acting – malice actually might be able to be shown – - – -
Rich in NJ January 9th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Nothing exemplary the failure of Bud Selig than this.
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The only salvation for MLB is that undeserving players didn’t get in (Morris) but yes, this is far worse than a tied All Star game.
“Bonds vote total more than double that of McGwire??? NO consistency outta the HOF Voters.”
Bonds was a lot better than McGwire
Pete Abraham ?@PeteAbe
Did those blank ballots turned in keep Biggio out? Big cost to make a personal statement
Oh the delicious irony of Schilling garnering 38% of the vote.
Against All Odds January 9th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Chip January 9th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
I’m sure that the writers are quite proud of themselves.
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Of course they are all taking bows. Once again it’s more about them then the actual HOF itself. Forget the fact they turned a blind eye to it for yrs but now want to be crusaders.
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Yup, they’ve gone through the same change as ML Umpires – they think people are interested in them rather than the players. Jon Heyman is Joe West…
Even without steroids McGwire doesn’t belong.
Piazza got screwed
“Oh the delicious irony of Schilling garnering 38% of the vote.”
That is sort of weird.
Point is, McGwire is getting the cold shoulder due to PED’s. Bonds for whatever reason, Not nearly the case. INCONSISTENT.
Absolute shame that Bernie falls off the roster & that the BBWAA managed to elect no one.
The more I think about it – if you are a player and your are being lumped in with this group and did nothing wrong – your reputation is brandished – guilt by association – why not bring a defamation suit – - – -
Next year is going to be even tougher as Maddux, Glavine, Frank Thomas, & Mussina join the roster.
Man I hope Mussina makes it in at some point. Don’t think it’ll be next year though.
Bernie is in any Yankee HOF but not a HOFer
There should be a grassroots movement to wrest the voting for the HoF away from the BBWAA.
Those guys below 50%, which includes all of the big, known steroid users, are probably never getting in.
Biggio probably gets in next year with the “not first ballot” holdouts.
Bernie deserves more respect.
To me mussinas no HOF Eric, but he’s not a terrible candidate
I don’t think Puckett was better than Bernie.
Damn predictive text!
Mussina is a HOF. All his number were put up while he pitched in the AL East, his entire career.
Bernie is in any Yankee HOF but not a HOFer
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He was the most feared hitter (lol jim rice) on multiple world series winning teams, held a postseason HR record, and had a 9 year stretch in centerfield where he was both a good defender & averaged a .900 OPS. That is peer dominance from a generally weak position. He is absolutely a borderline HoF candidate, and given his prominence on the last dynasty in MLB, and humanitarian nature, he should get in.
The only thing that can be worse than the writers would be fan HOF voting
The hall of fame voters are a joke. I would vote for the maximum amount of players and still feel like I’m leaving valid choices off the list.
And Ys Guy, if Bernie isn’t a hall of famer then neither is Jim Rice and Andre Dawson IMO
U may be right about rice but that still doesn’t make Bernie a HOFEr
Really surprised that Biggio didn’t get in…maybe voters didn’t want him in 1st ballot or the blank ballots hurt him (which is rough). HOF voting is going to be a mess for years to come with all of these allegations surrounding guys. I think that Bonds and Clemens should get in someday. It just might be a long, long time.
Also stinks that Bernie is off the ballot next year. Thought he’d receive much higher than 3%.
If Bernie gets #51 retired, and he should get #51 retired, that’s all the respect he needs. The Baseball HOF is voted on by writers with agendas. It’s almost the equal of the Golden Globes which if you know anything about them are voted on by some journalists who openly solicit presents for their votes.
The only way the awards mean anything to me is when they are voted on by a their peers. Players should vote players in. Not people looking to take this moment to soap box.
And the fact that Piazza didn’t get in is wrong. He’s the best hitting catcher I’ve ever seen in my lifetime & didn’t use the DH to hide his defensive shortcomings.
Player 1: 16 years, 1,366 runs, 2336 hits, 287 HR, 147 SB, .297/.381/.477
Player 2: 12 years, 1,071 runs, 2304 hits, 207 HR, 134 SB, .318/.360/.477
Which one’s Kirby and which one’s Bernie?
are sabermetricians more upset that nobody got in or more happy that Jack Morris didn’t?
If you don’t think rice belongs then don’t compound that mistake by using him as your measuring stick for others.
“Damn predictive text!”
I actually like that term better than auto-correct…
If you don’t think rice belongs then don’t compound that mistake by using him as your measuring stick for others.
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Bernie is way better than Rice. .900 OPS peak in CF for 9 years. Thats dominance, bro.
Writers feel they are closer to the game than any fan .
They have the vote and the ability to “payback” these players they feel have lied to them.
They get to play god and because they can, they do.
Bernie was the most feared hitter on the best team in baseball in the 90′s. Hall of fame LOCK
Mike in Harrisburg January 9th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Player 1: 16 years, 1,366 runs, 2336 hits, 287 HR, 147 SB, .297/.381/.477
Player 2: 12 years, 1,071 runs, 2304 hits, 207 HR, 134 SB, .318/.360/.477
Which one’s Kirby and which one’s Bernie?
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1 is Bernie right? Bernie definitely should have received more than 3%… I didn’t think he was going to get in 1st ballot but I thought he could get in over time like Rice did.
I love Bernie I saw him in colonie in aa ball, he’s my favorite all time player.
He’s not a hall of famer.
Heh Fergie Jenkins just nearly outed a recently enshrined steroid user on mlb network
We all know Jim Rice got in because Gammons made it his mission to get all the writers & people who worship at his feet to vote him in.
That was as fixed a vote as you’ll get.
If he’s still alive the day Big Papi is up for election, wait’ll you see how he makes everyone forget the fact he took PED’s and get him in on the first vote.
blake January 9th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
I wish the Marlins would trade Giancarlo right now.
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Well, they’re not, and certainly not to the Yanks when many other teams can offer better packages. So could you please stop posting about it over and over and over?
Rich in NJ January 9th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
There should be a grassroots movement to wrest the voting for the HoF away from the BBWAA.
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Occupy HOF?
I seriously wonder if fans voting wouldn’t be less ridiculous than the writers voting… the writers have gotten it wrong enough that I’m not sure the masses would do that much worse.
Someone forgot to tell the voters that Bernie was a lock. Maybe the old timers will think differently
mick January 9th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Writers feel they are closer to the game than any fan .
They have the vote and the ability to “payback” these players they feel have lied to them.
They get to play god and because they can, they do.
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Well how come they didn’t play god when the sport was running rampant with steroid use. Instead of speaking up they either clapped like trained seals or made backhanded statements: “some ppl say the balls are juiced…they players are juiced too
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He’s not a hall of famer.
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How so?
For 9 years he hit: .319 .404 .525 .929, multiple allstar, multiple rings, batting title
Patrick January 9th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Bernie was the most feared hitter on the best team in baseball in the 90?s. Hall of fame LOCK
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I don’t think there is anyway he gets in
Same with Kenny Lofton being left off. HoF sux. IT really hurts cooperstown which is biting it financially and now there is no one to enshrine?
Hall of Fame tea party guys
I don’t think there is anyway he gets in
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Not anymore since he’s off the ballot now
Mike Piazza weighs in on Mike Piazza:
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......is-at-all/
I can’t wait till the fans vote verities into the HOF
@tyler correct.
Player 1 is Bernie
I hate typing on my iPad.
“Well, they’re not, and certainly not to the Yanks when many other teams can offer better packages. So could you please stop posting about it over and over and over?”
I wasn’t even talking about the Yankees…..I was talking about to cause chaos so everyone wouldn’t know what to talk about…..but nice try…..skip the posts if you don’t like them.
They didn’t do themselves any favors.. they’ll have clogged ballots for next year and there’s no way all of the deserving candidates will get a spot..
Maybe when this generation of the BBWAA retires lol
I sincerely hope that those writers who turned in blank ballots in a form of protest will consider abdicating their vote in the future. As election is based on percentage of those who receive ballots in the first place, not voting for anyone hurts those players who would get in if you just didn’t retain your voting privilege at all.
Well how come they didn’t play god when the sport was running rampant with steroid use. Instead of speaking up they either clapped like trained seals or made backhanded statements: “some ppl say the balls are juiced…they players are juiced too
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It took the congressional hearings where Sosa and Mcgwire played everybody for fools.
At that time they became guilty in the court of public opinion as well.
Most fans enjoyed the HR race between those 2 but Bonds big year was more tainted because of their circus .
“It’s almost as if 42.8% of the Hall of Fame electorate has been talking about me behind my back, too cowardly to come out and accuse me of something, yet holding that something against me all the same.”
Great quote from that article, Chip, re: Piazza.
Patrick January 9th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
I don’t think there is anyway he gets in
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Not anymore since he’s off the ballot now
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Which is insane when you think about it
Mike Piazza weighs in on Mike Piazza:
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports……is-at-all/
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Nice. Thanks for posting it.
This is the most stacked ballot in years and nobody gets in? The BBWAA is trash.
Everyone in the “steroid” era was on an equal playing field, steroids should literally not even be mentioned when voting for hall of fame. Does anyone talk about how Hank Aaron and other players of his used amphetamines which are no longer legal in baseball? Does anyone talk about how Ruth and others of his era played in a segregated league? No because it’s absurd to try to balance one era against another. The hall of fame vote is to establish the top players of each era. Like it or not, Bonds, Clemens and the rest were the very best players in their era regardless of what drugs they took.
Basing a vote on anything more than on the field performance is pure stupidity.
Current player news – Yankees have checked in on Sizemore – I wouldn’t be opposed to giving him a minor league deal with an option for a second year (Aardsma style)
Well plenty of good rooms just opened up at the top Inns and B&Bs in Cooperstown.
Everyone getting honored this year is dead. Many got in thanx to performance enhanced rasicm and others (Ruppert) were responsible to an extent for keeping the game all-white.
It sounds like defamation, it smeels like defamation, it just might be – - – - -
errr – smells – - – -
I believe the criteria goes beyond just, “on the field performance”.
“42.8% of the BBWAA are blithering idiots and wouldn’t know a Hall of Fame catcher if Carlton Fisk fell out of the sky, landed on their face and started to wiggle.” — Mike Piazza
Dude owns
Many got in thanx to performance enhanced rasicm and others (Ruppert) were responsible to an extent for keeping the game all-white.
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The league segregation is always overlooked, it seems. Or just glossed over like, ‘hey nothing we can do about it! Imperfect system and all that jazz!’
Shame Spencer January 9th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
“It’s almost as if 42.8% of the Hall of Fame electorate has been talking about me behind my back, too cowardly to come out and accuse me of something, yet holding that something against me all the same.”
Great quote from that article, Chip, re: Piazza.
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Yeah – Jon Heyman flat out said that he needs more evidence that Piazza didn’t do steroids before voting for him – how about some evidence that Piazza DID steroids??
My guess is that a few of these guys will get in next year (Piazza, Biggio, Bags) and that voters will say that not getting in on the first ballot is the punishment for playing when they did. But then again I think there are a lot of voters who enjoyed the attention they got for doing stupid stuff like submitting a blank ballot and will do so again.
mick January 9th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Well how come they didn’t play god when the sport was running rampant with steroid use. Instead of speaking up they either clapped like trained seals or made backhanded statements: “some ppl say the balls are juiced…they players are juiced too
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It took the congressional hearings where Sosa and Mcgwire played everybody for fools.
At that time they became guilty in the court of public opinion as well.
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The writers were around them on a daily basis. Were they blind??? Again they can’t get on a high horse when they knew guys were juicing
For what it’s worth – I don’t think Mike Piazza actually wrote that – I clicked on the hyperlink for his name in the article and was linked to Craig Calcatterra’s articles. Doesn’t make the article any less spot on.
Why don’t some of you guys get off your High Horse regarding the racism of days-gone-by in MLB, and inquire as to why there has NEVER been a full-time FEMALE UMPIRE at the MLB level? THAT, is currently going on right in front of your faces, and you don’t make a peep about that.
HOF voters are idiots. All of those writers should be stripped of voting forever.
The entire class was punished this year and for what? No good reason except it was an opportunity for the writers to flex their muscles.
Again they can’t get on a high horse when they knew guys were juicing
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They can and they did…
Ok, for the sake of my sanity, can we move onto a different topic?
mick January 9th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Again they can’t get on a high horse when they knew guys were juicing
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They can and they did…
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But they come off as hypocrites nothing more
Ok, for the sake of my sanity, can we move onto a different topic?
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This is the biggest baseball news in weeks and will remain the biggest news until spring training. So.. no.
Jon Heyman has gone into twitter hiding.
He’s a clown too.
Yeah – Jon Heyman flat out said that he needs more evidence that Piazza didn’t do steroids before voting for him – how about some evidence that Piazza DID steroids??
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It’s the most ass-backwards logic ever. Does Derek Jeter need to prove he didn’t use??? You can’t just say, “well this guy has big muscles so I need more evidence!”
And it’s entirely possible the writers know stuff about these guys that we don’t.. but in that case, you better grow a pair and report that and put it in writing before you make a ‘statement’ like this.
Patrick January 9th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Ok, for the sake of my sanity, can we move onto a different topic?
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This is the biggest baseball news in weeks and will remain the biggest news until spring training. So.. no.
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Sigh…I know you’re right but I would gladly suffer a Joba: Starter vs. Reliever debate right now than feel even more disgusted by something I used to love so much.
Pizza should be so upset that he was not voted in.
He is probably the best hitting catcher of all-time. What else could he have done in order
to earn a HOF enshrinement?
Pizza should be so upset that he was not voted in.
He is probably the best hitting catcher of all-time. What else could he have done in order
to earn a HOF enshrinement?
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Be born 20 years earlier I suppose
Against All Odds January 9th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
mick January 9th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Again they can’t get on a high horse when they knew guys were juicing
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They can and they did…
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But they come off as hypocrites nothing more
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I don’t think it’s hypocrisy; I think it’s an attention grab. They are seeing their twitter feeds blow up; being brought in for “round table” discussions; getting hits on their articles – getting their names out there. 50 other weeks of the year most of them are irrelevant and now they’re forcing us to know who they are.
Shame
I agree with you 1,000. Sounds like Piazza is guilty until he proves
his innocence.
That is ass backwards!
And like you said, if the writers know something the public does not, then they do need to find the courage to share the news. If there is nothing to report, then do the right thing and vote in the deserving player.
“Jon Heyman has gone into twitter hiding.”
If only he would remain in hiding.
Next year guys like Maddux, Glavine, Mussina, Jeff Kent and Frank Thomas.
Personally, I think 3 of those players should be 1st ballot HOF’s
Thomas, Maddux and Glavine.
Will the idiot writers keep Thomas out because his muscles were large?
Heyman said he didn’t vote for Piazza because he might have taken steroids and because he wants to read his book that’s coming out first…….no seriously
You guys can dance around the Piazza vote all ya want, but there is also the Gay thing goin’ on whether you wanna admit it or Not.
WTP – It wouldn’t surprise me at all if some of these writers have good sources that know of steroid use in many cases…. but you can’t just use that as a reason and sit on the information.
It seems like they’re more willing to put the reputations of others on the line, but not their own.
Rich in NJ January 9th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
“Jon Heyman has gone into twitter hiding.”
If only he would remain in hiding.
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It’s odd given how much he craves the limelight.
Donny, go home you are drunk
blake January 9th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Heyman said he didn’t vote for Piazza because he might have taken steroids and because he wants to read his book that’s coming out first…….no seriously
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I bet if he was a Boras client he would have voted him in.
blake January 9th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Heyman said he didn’t vote for Piazza because he might have taken steroids and because he wants to read his book that’s coming out first…….no seriously
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The publisher couldn’t forward him an advanced copy…??
Does anyone really think he’ll admit to steroid use in the book?!
Heyman is a hack.
DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
You guys can dance around the Piazza vote all ya want, but there is also the Gay thing goin’ on whether you wanna admit it or Not.
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Um… what???
Awful Announcing ?@awfulannouncing
Mike Piazza has some questions about what happened today… http://bit.ly/VL7h5k
well Mike you “might” have taken steroids which seems to be all it takes to convict to the voters
Shame
The writers might have info about certain players.
If so, then they should do their job and release the info.
Instead the writers are hiding, worried about there very own self interests, at the expense of the players.
Piazza has never been linked to steroid use and neither has Biggio and IMO, each deserves to enter the HOF based on the numbers.
what a complete joke
Stick loves him – - – -
Paul Lo Duca ?@paulloduca16
I took PEDs and I’m not proud of it..but people that think you can take a shot or a pill and play like the legends on that ballot need help.
I just hope something tragic doesn’t happen to Biggio or Piazza or Bagwell between now and whenever they actually do get it……I bet Ron Santo would have loved to be inducted while he was alive. You just never know……
Chip January 9th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Against All Odds January 9th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
mick January 9th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Again they can’t get on a high horse when they knew guys were juicing
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They can and they did…
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But they come off as hypocrites nothing more
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I don’t think it’s hypocrisy; I think it’s an attention grab. They are seeing their twitter feeds blow up; being brought in for “round table” discussions; getting hits on their articles – getting their names out there. 50 other weeks of the year most of them are irrelevant and now they’re forcing us to know who they are.
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I never looked at it that way chip. Good point
You get it straight form-the-shoulder with me. Piazza has Never been attached to steroid usage and you see where he place in the vote total. That leaves 1 other issue.
“You get it straight form-the-shoulder with me. Piazza has Never been attached to steroid usage and you see where he place in the vote total. That leaves 1 other issue.”
neither has Bagwell…..they didn’t get in because of some guilt by association nonsense
?@TylerKepner
I agree with Michael Weiner’s statement. But it was also “unfortunate, if not sad” that the union opposed steroid testing for so long.
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I get what Kepner is saying but the bottom line is the league was more than happy to rake in oodles of cash at the risk of both the players and the game itself….
You get it straight form-the-shoulder with me. Piazza has Never been attached to steroid usage and you see where he place in the vote total. That leaves 1 other issue.
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Morris, Raines, Smith, Schilling, Martinez, Trammell, Walker, Bagwell, McGriff, Murphy, Mattingly, Williams and Biggio are also gay then? Wow never knew, thanks for the info bro
You get it straight form-the-shoulder with me. Piazza has Never been attached to steroid usage and you see where he place in the vote total. That leaves 1 other issue.
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So all the articles about Piazza & steroids are just head fakes?
Yeah – Jon Heyman flat out said that he needs more evidence that Piazza didn’t do steroids before voting for him – how about some evidence that Piazza DID steroids??
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Exactly. Isn’t that how it works.
Piazza’s 427 home runs
.308 career average and 12 All-Star games
Craig Biggio fell 39 votes short on his first HOF attempt, drawing 68.2%. He had a great 20-year career with Houston, finishing with 3060 hits (20th), 1844 RS (14th), 688 2B (5th), finishing .281/.363/.433/.796 statistically. He belongs in the HOF.
As I said last week, Sports Weekly quoted a figure for Bagwell of 6 HR’s in something like 480 Minor League AB’s. Do NOT tell me Bagwell has NOT been attached to steroids. You think it was just coincidence they had that number at their finger tips?
Sports Weekly attaching Bagwell to steroids by implication is not the same as Bagwell actually being attached to steroids. Which is the point. Piazza is also ‘attached to steroids’ thanks to back acne or whatever.
As I said last week, Sports Weekly quoted a figure for Bagwell of 6 HR’s in something like 480 Minor League AB’s. Do NOT tell me Bagwell has NOT been attached to steroids. You think it was just coincidence they had that number at their finger tips?
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Ok I’ll revise my list then …
Morris, Raines, Smith, Schilling, Martinez, Trammell, Walker, McGriff, Murphy, Mattingly, Williams and Biggio. All gay according to DONNYBROOK
Of course Biggio deserves to get in. Just look at those numbers.
How are those numbers not HOF worthy?
The hall is a joke.
The systems is a joke and all the writers who failed to vote for Biggio and Piazza should
be stripped of their media credentials.
DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
You get it straight form-the-shoulder with me. Piazza has Never been attached to steroid usage and you see where he place in the vote total. That leaves 1 other issue.
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If Piazza didn’t get in because he might be gay that’s even more ridiculous than him not getting in for maybe taking roids.
Seriously can’t wait for the first out and active player. This nonsense is absurd.
Tim Kirkjian was on earlier and he said that next year he himself can count
20 worthy HOF candidates, but his ballot will only allow him to vote for 10.
For Piazza to get that vote total without EVER being attached to steroid usage is ridiculous. Connect the dots.
For Piazza to get that vote total without EVER being attached to steroid usage is ridiculous.
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But multiple baseball writers have attached him to steroids in articles?
I do NOT want writers voting for HOF possibles, like they are handing out lollipops. Kirkjian is at the other end of today’s spectrum.
“As I said last week, Sports Weekly quoted a figure for Bagwell of 6 HR’s in something like 480 Minor League AB’s. Do NOT tell me Bagwell has NOT been attached to steroids. You think it was just coincidence they had that number at their finger tips?”
that’s 100% speculation…..with real evidence no he has not been attached to steroids
For Piazza to get that vote total without EVER being attached to steroid usage is ridiculous. Connect the dots.
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Marvin Miller must have also been gay
Jim Rice is clearly not a hall of famer, he must have been the straightest man alive. Tim Raines? Flaming homosexual. Why else wouldn’t he get in?
I want Donnybrook’s eyes to determine the HOF election (the same ones that said Notre Dame would beat Alabama)
Sources are telling me that Craig Biggio wasn’t voted in because he likes yellow cake. What other reason could there be for not being voted in? Connect the dots people
The real question is will Torii Hunter be inducted…?
Josh Norris ?@jnorris427
If, for whatever reason, you’re thinking about future #Yankees LHRPs, here’s a Francisco Rondon K from last year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbMNbc5Ic4 …
The majority of the time I judge with my eyes. With the Yankees and Notre Dame, the Heart tends to factor in. Believe it or Not, I do have a Heart.
Craig Biggio – 388 votes (68.2%) – THE MAN HAS 3060 HITS AND PLAYED TWO DECADES WITH ONE TEAM – LET HIM IN!!!
Jack Morris — 385 votes (67.7%) – THE MAN WAS THE ACE FOR TWO WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS (1984 & 1992) AND THE #2 FOR ONE WORLD CHAMP (1991), AND HE WON 254 GAMES – LET HIM IN!!!
Jeff Bagwell — 339 votes (59.6%) – VERY GOOD CAREER, NOT A HALL OF FAMER (HOF.)
Mike Piazza — 329 votes (57.8%) – LET HIM IN AS HE’D HAVE HIT .300+ WITHOUT WHATEVER HE TOOK WHENEVER.
Tim Raines — 297 votes (52.2%) – VERY GOOD CAREER (POOR MAN’S RICKEY HENDERSON) NOT A HOF.
Lee Smith — 272 votes (47.8%) – VERY GOOD CAREER, NOT A HOF.
Curt Schilling — 221 votes (38.8%) – VERY GOOD CAREER, NOT A HOF.
Roger Clemens — 214 votes (37.6%) – HOF ON HIS FIRST THREE CY YOUNG AWARDS ALONE (1986, 1987 & 1991 PLUS HE WAS ROBBED OF THE 1990 ALCYA.) EVERYONE WITH THREE OR MORE CY YOUNG AWARDS IS IN OR WILL BE IN THE HOF.
Barry Bonds — 206 votes (36.2%) – HOF ON HIS FIRST THREE NLMVP AWARDS ALONE. EVERYONE WITH THREE MVP AWARDS IS IN THE HOF.
Edgar Martinez — 204 votes (35.9%) – VERY GOOD CAREER, BUT HE WAS MOSTLY A DH/A PLAYER WHO BARELY HAD TO PLAY THE FIELD, SO NOT A HOF.
Alan Trammell — 191 votes (33.6%) – GOOD CAREER, NOT A HOF.
Larry Walker — 123 votes (21.6%) – GOOD CAREER, NOT A HOF.
Fred McGriff — 118 votes (20.7%) – HOF. 7 HR SHY OF 500 HRS, ALMOST 1600 RBI AND 2500 HITS, BETTER SLASHLINE THAN DAVE WINFIELD IN EVERY CATEGORY. DID WHAT HE DID CLEANLY.
Dale Murphy — 106 votes (18.6%) – NOT A HOF. LOUSY SLASHLINE. ONLY 398 HR AND 2111 HITS. SO-SO LAST THIRD OF HIS CAREER. AN MVP AWARD SHY OF BEING A HOF THOUGH.
Mark McGwire — 96 votes (16.9%) – THE POSTERBOY FOR CHEATING WITH PED, NOT A HOF.
Don Mattingly — 75 votes (13.2%) – VERY GOOD PLAYER, NOT A HOF. HE HAD SIX GREAT SEASONS 1984-89 BUT WAS A SHADOW OF THAT 1990-95.
Sammy Sosa — 71 votes (12.5%) – THE POSTERBOY FOR CHEATING WITH PED. NOT A HOF.
Rafael Palmeiro — 50 votes (8.8%) – A HOF AS I STILL THINK HE COLLECTS 3020 HITS WITHOUT WHATEVER HE TOOK WHENEVER.
Bernie Williams — 19 votes (3.3%) – A VERY GOOD PLAYER, NOT A HOF. IF BERNIE POSTED 10 MORE HR AND 15-20 MORE RBI A YEAR, DEFINITELY.
Schilling didn’t get enough votes to make the Hall because voters hated Kingdoms of Amalur. My sources are saying that the game lacked depth and had a boring storyline which greatly effected their non-vote for Schilling.
“The real question is will Torii Hunter be inducted…?”
If Donny’s theory is true then he has a good shot
I am surprised Mattingly got more votes than Bernie.
whats keeping Trammell out?
Baseball should be ashamed of what took place today.
The writers had an opportunity to straighten the game out, set a good example and what did they do?
The worst thing possible.
Not vote in deserving players and leaving ballots 100% blank.
RIDICULOUS!
I think Bernie is a borderline candidate….his peak was HOF level but he didn’t sustain it long……but for guys like Jim Rice, Dawson, and Puckett to be in and Bernie not even get the 5% to stay on the ballot shows 2 things IMO 1) that the system is broken 2) that Yankee bias does exist.
Curt Schilling — 221 votes (38.8%) – VERY GOOD CAREER, NOT A HOF.
Jack Morris — 385 votes (67.7%) – THE MAN WAS THE ACE FOR TWO WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS (1984 & 1992) AND THE #2 FOR ONE WORLD CHAMP (1991), AND HE WON 254 GAMES – LET HIM IN!!!
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Does not compute
Also all caps really bro?
whats keeping Trammell out?
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Nickname was Tram … Tran … Transvestite ..
blake January 9th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
whats keeping Trammell out?
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Besides flagrant homosexuality?
Bring your drama!
BTW:
Bill Mazerowski is in the Hall Of Fame on ONE big postseason hit: his 1960 World Series Game 7 walkoff homerun against the Yankees and eight Gold Gloves at 2B hands down the easiest infield position and second easiest position to play after RF.
Jack Morris pitched a 126-pitch, TEN-INNING complete game shutout victory in Game 7 of the 1991 World Series and won the 1991 World Series MVP for that.
Morris’s Game 7 accomplishment was far greater than Mazerowski’s, therefore Morris should be a Hall Of Famer, too.
If you’re gonna let a guy who couldn’t hit into the HOF on one big Game 7 homerun which took a few seconds or minutes at bat to hit, you have to let a guy who could definitely pitch into the HOF on one big Game 7 ten-inning complete game shutout victory which took hours to craft.
Please don’t get me started on guilty until proven innocent concept.
I do agree with Chip that the Hall stuff is pretty much beaten to death.
I have an idea. We could try to trade for Upton.
blake January 9th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Josh Norris ?@jnorris427
If, for whatever reason, you’re thinking about future #Yankees LHRPs, here’s a Francisco Rondon K from last year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbMNbc5Ic4 …
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Just needs to get his walks under control – - – -
Who cares about the hall of fame?
its not like people will one day forget bonds or clemens.
and they made their millions, so what do they care.
Why doesn’t it “compute”, Jerkface? Caps cuz I feel like it.
Schilling had exactly FOUR Hall Of Fame caliber seasons out of TWO DECADES: 2001-04. The guy had a pedestrian 3.46 ERA complied mostly in the NL and never won a Cy Young Award for all his dominance.
Morris had a greater World Series Game 7 than HOF Bill Mazerowski an all-glove no-bat piece of cra p who got into the HOF with one swing. Morris won 254 games.
You lose again.
Oh yeah, I’m not impressed with high strikeout totals mostly compiled in the league with no DH, the pitcher batting, and a weaka ss bottom of the order because of that.
Correction: Schilling had exactly five HOF caliber seasons: 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, and 2004. Five out of twenty, a quarter of the time, once every four years. Not enough and the percentage of votes he got for HOF induction is appropriate.
McGriff’s percentage is ridiculously low because if Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Piazza, and Palmiero are all cheats, well McGriff has never, ever been in the conversation re: cheating, so he’s the best slugger who never cheated on the HOF ballot. So let him the !@#$ into the HOF since he did what he did cleanly and again with a better slashine than Winfield at a busier, harder position.
That is quite surprising… I have never heard of that before reading your post!
It makes me quite puzzled and angry too!
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