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Today’s main event: Hall of Fame election results

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 09, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

One way or another, today is going to be an interesting day for baseball.

This year’s Hall of Fame election results will be announced at 2 p.m. ET. There’s a conference call schedule already in place, and a press conference already planned for Thursday morning in Manhattan.

But there might not be anyone to talk to. 

The ballot is full of huge names and undeniable statistics, but it’s also full of steroid speculation and uncomfortable questions. Craig Biggio’s first time on the ballot is being overshadowed by the arrival of Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Mike Piazza and Sammy Sosa. We’ve already seen the way steroid speculation has affected the candidacy of Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro and Jeff Bagwell. Jack Morris is the leading returning candidate, having gotten 66.7 percent last year, but voters remained mixed in their opinion of him as a Hall of Famer.

Over the weekend, USA Today ran a story saying that included these two paragraphs:

Early returns from publicly-disclosed ballots indicate there’s a growing chance that no one — that’d be zero, as in Al Oliver’s number — will amass the required 75 percent vote total required from the Baseball Writers’ Association of America for Hall of Fame induction.

Granted, the sample size of publicly-disclosed ballots collected by the Baseball Think Factory is small — just 92, an estimated 16.1 percent of last year’s vote pool, which should rise this year as more voters are added. But so far, no one’s hit the magic number of 75 percent.

According to The Associated Press, since 1965, the only years without a BBWAA elected Hall of Famer came when Yogi Berra topped the 1971 ballot with 67 percent of the vote and when Phil Niekro topped the 1996 ballot with 68 percent.

Here’s this year’s ballot. Plenty of Hall of Fame names, but will any of them be Hall of Famers at this time tomorrow?

Sandy Alomar Jr., Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Barry Bonds, Jeff Cirillo, Royce Clayton, Roger Clemens, Jeff Conine, Steve Finley, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Roberto Hernandez, Ryan Klesko, Kenny Lofton, Edgar Martinez, Don Mattingly, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Jose Mesa, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Rafael Palmeiro, Mike Piazza, Tim Raines, Reggie Sanders, Curt Schilling, Aaron Sele, Lee Smith, Sammy Sosa, Mike Stanton, Alan Trammell, Larry Walker, Todd Walker, David Wells, Rondell White, Bernie Williams and Woody Williams.

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112 Responses to “Today’s main event: Hall of Fame election results”

  1. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    nay nay and nay

  2. blake January 9th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    My Ballot:
    Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Raines, Biggio, Bagwell, Trammell, Schilling, Morris.

  3. blake January 9th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal
    Sources: #Yankees originally wanted A-Rod’s doctor, Bryan Kelly, to talk AFTER surgery was complete. A-Rod authorized Kelly to give update.

    Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal
    Info reflects well on A-Rod – notably, Kelly’s belief that steroids did not cause hip problem and that issue hindered A-Rod during playoffs.

  4. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    I would never ever in a million years trade cost-controlled starting pitchers who can fare well in the AL East for one season of a hitter, ANY hitter.

    Blake you are so anxious to do this but not once, not once have you ever suggested trading 1 year of Hughes for 1 year of Morse.

    And 2013 is most definitely Hughes’ last as a Yankee.

  5. MTU January 9th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Guess the writers are are going to have to decide whether or not known or strongly suspected steroid use is a disqualifier.

    On either a performance and/or moral basis.

  6. Shame Spencer January 9th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Info reflects well on A-Rod – notably, Kelly’s belief that steroids did not cause hip problem and that issue hindered A-Rod during playoffs.

  7. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    My take-it-or-leave-it offer to the Nats would be Hughes + Logan for Morse. If they demand a prospect on top of that I would give them a fringe guy like Almonte.

  8. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    This Kelly doctor is full of malarky. We’re expected to believe Arod has this rare congenital hip condition yet he abused the living bejesus out of steroids. Look at the size of his head. Is that genetic?

  9. blake January 9th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    “Blake you are so anxious to do this but not once, not once have you ever suggested trading 1 year of Hughes for 1 year of Morse.”

    nope….because I care about 2013 and I think Hughes is better than Nova or Phelps. Trading Hughes leaves a hole in the rotation…..trading one of Nova or Phelps doesn’t. So unless you’re gonna trade Hughes and sign Lohse or Marcum to replace him then I’m not doing that.

  10. blake January 9th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    The Nats have a full big league rotation and wouldn’t probably want Hughes anyways…..

  11. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    A hole that exists for 4-5 years is massive compared to one that exists for merely one year. I go to war with CC, Kuroda, Andy, Nova and Phelps and Morse.

    Blake you imagine there is this huge gap between Hughes and Nova/Phelps. I don’t see it.

  12. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    Well then stop fantasizing about trading 4-5 years of a cost-controlled starter for Morse. Hughes would go long before those two. He’s not in the plans Blake. I know that’s going to choke you up and maybe make your head explode but it’s true.

  13. MoRings42 January 9th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    I think it would be refreshing to see nobody get in this year.

  14. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Gotta run but:

    http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....bbing-doc/

  15. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    i just don’t get tim raines. he is the definition of a compiler.

    he was only in the top 10 for mvp 3 times and never above 5th.

    he was never ‘the guy’ on any team he played for.

    NOT a hall of famer.

  16. MTU January 9th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Time to walk the Mops.

    Later.

  17. blake January 9th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    “Well then stop fantasizing about trading 4-5 years of a cost-controlled starter for Morse. Hughes would go long before those two. He’s not in the plans Blake. I know that’s going to choke you up and maybe make your head explode but it’s true.”

    Hughes will likely be gone after 2013…..but again 2013 may be their best shot at a title for awhile and that matters. I’d prefer not to trade either Nova or Phelps for Morse….but if it came right down to it I probably would. If you disagree then that’s fine…..

  18. 86w183 January 9th, 2013 at 9:17 am

    I also don’t think starting pitching is what gets Morse.. at least not MLB ready starters.

    Logan, Marshall/Warren and an OF prospect might.

  19. blake January 9th, 2013 at 9:19 am

    “i just don’t get tim raines. he is the definition of a compiler.”

    stole 808 bases….career OBP of .385……..much better stolen base percentage then Rickey…..

  20. blake January 9th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    “Logan, Marshall/Warren and an OF prospect might.”

    so long as the OF prospect isn’t Mason, Heathcott, or Austin then I’d much prefer this of course

  21. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    I assume Logan, Granderson, Hughes, Joba and Gardner are all in the same boat.

    They’re escalating pay is on a crash course with 2014.

    Now either the Yankees try to cash-in guys like these for one-hit wonders like Morse or long term fixtures or they stand pat or do what they did with Swisher and Soriano and take the draft picks if possible.

    What they won’t do is trade assets that produce in the AL East and simultaneously fit within the 2014 financial planning structure.

    So what I’m saying is, focus on the above bunch and don’t get distracted by Phelps and Nova. It’s highly unlikely the Yankees would deal them given the financial culture around here.

  22. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 9:21 am

    i have to agree (and i said it yesterday) they are not trading nova or phelps for a one year guy. they need both of them.

    i know you said yesterday that you see nova as a 5th starter at best, but i dont think the yankees see it that way.

    they need all the cost controlled guys they can get and even if nova and phelps can only handle 4th and 5th on the SP depth chart (which i disagree with) they still won’t trade them for a one year player.

  23. 86w183 January 9th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Tim Raines is a Hall of Famer in my mind. 26-hundred hits, 15-hundred runs, 800 SB and a career .294 BA is pretty strong… and a 7-time All-Star.

  24. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    I would trade Logan + Betances + Adams for Morse. Is it an overpay? Of course, but there are as many as 12 teams bidding on Morse. The Yankees can live without Logan, Betances and Adams. None of them are must-have players.

    But the Nats want LH relief help, young pitching and they could use Adams because it seems they want to move Espinosa.

  25. pkyankfan69 January 9th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    I don’t think the Yanks will trade Trade Hughes of Nova/Phelps as part of a package for Morse.

    A loss of Hughes would be a big blow to the rotation this year.

    A loss of Nova or Phelps would be a big blow to the future of the rotation considering the budget constraints. Losing either of these also hurts this year. Yanks won’t want to go into the season with less than 6 possible starters. If we traded Nova or Phelps the Yanks would be 1 injury away from having Warren in the rotation, don’t think they would quite turn to Marshall just yet with very little seasoning in AAA.

  26. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    henderson scored 750 more runs than raines , won an mvp, was top 10 in mvp voting twice as many times as raines, had a higher obp, 400 more hits, 120 more HR, 500 more stolen bases.

    he is not even close to a rickey henderson.

  27. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Another thing that bugs me is we can sit around and say 1 year of Granderson holds no value for other teams and 1 year of Hughes is not worth much to a GM.

    Do you think the Nats are saying those same defeatist things about 1 year of Morse?

    And what about the 12 teams bidding on 1 year of Morse?

    Are they repeating that garbage over and over again?

  28. pat January 9th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    “I don’t understand how Dr. Kelly can be absolute that steroids didn’t cause the injury,” Dr. Lewis Maharam, past President of the American College of Sports Medicine, told the Daily News. “I think without seeing (Rodriguez), it’s likely, given his admission of steroid use, that steroid/HGH use caused the hip lesions due to the increased strength they produced in surrounding muscle tissues that naturally increase the on the hip joint.”

    The doctor who hasn’t examined Alex has an opinion on what is likely and has a problem with the opinion of a doctor who has seen Alex and all his imaging?

  29. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    raines is only a HOF is you go by career #’s compiled.

    theres nothing wrong with that.

    i guess tonto and robin belong in some hall of fame somewhere, too.

  30. PacoDooley January 9th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    “According to The Associated Press, since 1965, the only years without a BBWAA elected Hall of Famer came when Yogi Berra topped the 1971 ballot with 67 percent of the vote and when Phil Niekro topped the 1996 ballot with 68 percent.”

    The BBWAA should forever be embarrassed by this – Yogi was an 18 time all-star, 13 time world series winner and a 3 time MVP. He and Bench are arguably the greatest catchers of all time, and Berra regularly appears on lists of the greatest lineups or players in baseball history. The fact that he was competing with basically no one else on that ballot makes it even worse.

  31. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Well Kelly has a motive to lie and fudge the data. This other doctor does not. And I personally don’t need an MRI to see through the BS

  32. PacoDooley January 9th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    henderson scored 750 more runs than raines , won an mvp, was top 10 in mvp voting twice as many times as raines, had a higher obp, 400 more hits, 120 more HR, 500 more stolen bases.

    he is not even close to a rickey henderson.
    ———————–

    No one is in terms of what Rickey did. As an offensive player he was unique and was, by far, the greatest lead-off hitter and base stealer that baseball has ever seen,

  33. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    I mean if 1 year of Morse is worth 4 years of Nova.

    Isn’t 1 year of Granderson worth a cost controlled young starting pitcher who is even better than Nova?

    Yet we would probably dismiss that idea out of hand and strike it down as nonsense.

  34. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Why aren’t the Yankees parading around Granderson to 11-12 teams trying to pry away cost controlled young starting pitchers who are even better than Nova?

  35. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    mike stanley had a better sb% than rickey henderson.

  36. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    If the market favors teams holding hitters for 1 year then the Yankees need to not overpay for Morse and they need to sell Granderson into that favorable market. They need to align themselves on the right side of the trade. If the Nats ravage some GM for Morse, it had better not be the yankees and we better see Cashman follow up with an equally advantageous trade of Granderson. I’m sick of the Yankees being bent over the barrel. 2013 be damned. It’s time to have some fun.

  37. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    i never get it when people say something like “yeah it’s an overpay but what are you going to do?”

    if it’s an overpay, they you dont pay it, that’s what you do.

  38. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Well in certain instances you overpay…like when you think a player puts you over the edge and bolsters your WS hopes significantly. I would overpay for Justin Upton.

  39. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    “The doctor who hasn’t examined Alex has an opinion on what is likely and has a problem with the opinion of a doctor who has seen Alex and all his imaging?”
    ==========================================
    the guy was the president of the american college of sports medicine. its not like the called up the school doctor at PS 113.

  40. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Well, I’ve seen one of NASA’s leading climatologists accused of being a global warming hoaxer so…

    I don’t know where these uneducated people get the justification for their blind, misguided attacks.

    This Dr. Kelly character is a total hack.

  41. longtimefan January 9th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Baseball players are human, the history of the sport is filled with players both good and bad on the personal and professional level, heavy drinkers, gamblers, womanizers, etc like just about any other occupational group. But, IMO, the Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Mcguire et al group made a conscious decision to take an illegal substance to improve their performance and ultimately their incomes, they were not alone and we may never know the name of all those who made the same decisions but that should not give them a pass, they should be held accountable for their actions and I hope never admitted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, we have enought wrong messages being sent to the youth of our country today, without adding more.

  42. austinmac January 9th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    I think Tonto and Robin are first ballot second banana hall of famers.

    Yes, I’m sure Dr. Kelly is a hack and fire the umpire knows better. After all he probably took biology in high school.

    Lastly, what does it matter if steroids were a factor? It changes nothing. We still have him for five more years.

  43. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    “raines is only a HOF is you go by career #’s compiled.”

    in his 10 prime 10 years he had a 128 OPS +, stole over 600 bases….and scored over 1,600 runs.

  44. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Whatever… the Yankees just found a story that fits what fans want to believe. Aside from this supposedly genetic hip condition, Arod is falling apart on the field. Do you disagree? Does anyone disagree?

  45. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    ” blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    “raines is only a HOF is you go by career #’s compiled.”

    in his 10 prime 10 years he had a 128 OPS +, stole over 600 bases….and scored over 1,600 runs.”
    ———————————————————-
    and never cracked the top 5 in mvp voting.

  46. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    “he is not even close to a rickey henderson.”

    he doesn’t have to be to be a HOFer

  47. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    “and never cracked the top 5 in mvp voting.”

    so what…..we should all know by now that the writers don’t know what they are talking about half the time.

  48. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    im alot more concerned with how arod’s ped usage affected his ligaments and cartilidge and whether that may prevent him from a full recovery.

  49. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    its pretty much the same voters who will be deciding on raines’s HOF worthiness that never considered him a top 5 guy in his league even during his best years.

  50. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    “Well in certain instances you overpay…like when you think a player puts you over the edge and bolsters your WS hopes significantly. I would overpay for Justin Upton.”

    I would too …..but you’re going to pay a lot more for Upton than you would for Morse….you’re gonna pay premium guys for Upton…..may not have to for Morse/

  51. 86w183 January 9th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Just because he wasn’t as good as Rickey Henderson doesn’t mean Raines was not an outstanding baseball player. He has a lot going for him as a candidate.

  52. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    “its pretty much the same voters who will be deciding on raines’s HOF worthiness that never considered him a top 5 guy in his league even during his best years.”

    and the same ones who voted for Jim Rice!

  53. FiretheUMPIRE January 9th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Well I’m hopeful that his PED usage has triggered full scale debilitation of Alex Rodriguez and his skills. I want him up there at the plate looking like Bo Jackson. Only then does it increase the chances of his retirement and possibly accelerate a settlement.

    Maybe the insurance company would pay 40% with the Yankees matching 40% of the remaining balance on the contract. Buy him out, hang him up. Move on.

  54. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    .334 .413 .476 .889

    Raines hit that in 1986 and stole 70 bases! He finished 6th in MVP voting that year. Dave Parker finished 5th and hit 273//330/.477/.807.

  55. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    i take the hof voting as a theoretical excersize. there are no real standards and many many people aren’t in who are significantly better than some who are in.

    however, i think the “this guy is in so this guy should be in” is not a valid argument.

    if everone better than pee wee reese or bill mazerosky gets in, then its a hall of good.

  56. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Gary Carter finished 3rd in MVP voting in 1986 hitting .255 .337 .439 .776

  57. austinmac January 9th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Very few doubt that AROD is deteriorating. He may well be Bo Jackson at this point. The Yankees can collect insurance if he is permanently disabled irrespective of the cause.

    I simply don’t see why AROD would accept a penny less than he is owed. The Yankees owe it whether he can play or not. If doctors don’t think he can play, he can sit at home and wait for the money to come in saying he is ready to play when allowed to do so.

  58. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Gary Carter finished 3rd in MVP voting in 1986 hitting .255 .337 .439 .77
    ==================================
    and in the minds of the mvp voters that was better than tim raines’s best career year.

    you made my argument for me.

  59. austinmac January 9th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Color me unamerican as I don’t get to excited about who gets into the Hall and who does not. It is a popularity contest with no definitive guidance.

    I loved going to the Hall, but if a guy is in there who I don’t think it that great, I pass his plaque by.

    If I voted, the player would have had to be considered one of the best in the game for an extended period.

  60. umbrelladoc January 9th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    I would only put Phelps or Nova in the deal to get back Suzuki as well. Good points about Granderson being better than Morse. One would think we could flip Granderson for prospects that would go for Morse and Suzuki, and sign Hairston (now that he can start in the OF) but Granderson makes 15 million.

  61. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    austin, i dont think arod conceeds that he can’t become the all time home run king.

    i dont see him sitting and collecting checks if he can possibly play.

  62. DonCapone January 9th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    I think Jack Morris will be the beneficiary of the steroid users/HOF debate. This will be the year he finally gets the 75%. He was the ace of three different championship teams, and won 20 games three times. Biggio will probably also make it.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.....='ALL

  63. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    im with you austin. i will debate people getting in or not academically, but in the end i dont really care.

    the museum is great, the hall is pretty boring imo.

  64. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    id rather look at the pine tar bat than george brett’s plaque any day.

  65. DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    - WED AM OBSERVATIONS -

    (1) Why would anyone Not cast a HOF vote for PIAZZA?

    (2) The HOF is NOT for Very Good Players, that played a Very Long Time. Raines is a Very-Very Guy

    (3) A-Rod’s Dr Quackenbush just hasta look and sound like Edgar Buchanan. He’s setting medicine back 70 yrs.

    (4) My hat is off to that E-Bay Bama Fan that’s asking $250 for the Manti Te’o Jock Strap he claims to have discovered on the 40yd line after the game.

  66. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    “and in the minds of the mvp voters that was better than tim raines’s best career year.”

    the voters don’t know what they are talking about…..

  67. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    I wouldn’t trade Granderson if they got Morse…..Morse can’t play the outfield at all. You only trade Granderson if you get Upton or somebody like that.

  68. umbrelladoc January 9th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Regarding the Hall, I think the Steroid Era has to be graded on a strict curve. So Bonds and Clemens get in because they were the best of the best. But, Palmeiro, McGwire and Sosa are out. The accumulation of HR numbers which would normally get people in has to be heavily discounted.

  69. umbrelladoc January 9th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    blake – in my scenario, Yankees would get Morse, Hairston and Suzuki.

  70. Jerkface January 9th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......l-of-fame/

    “In 1973, a Congressional subcommittee announced that its staff had completed an “in depth study into the use of illegal and dangerous drugs in sports” including professional baseball. The subcommittee concluded that “the degree of improper drug use – primarily amphetamines and anabolic steroids – can only be described as alarming.”

  71. DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    You guys are falling all over yourselves to get Morse, yet Soriano\Cubs is there for the taking. Wake up.

  72. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “Regarding the Hall, I think the Steroid Era has to be graded on a strict curve. So Bonds and Clemens get in because they were the best of the best. But, Palmeiro, McGwire and Sosa are out. The accumulation of HR numbers which would normally get people in has to be heavily discounted.”

    I agree….I think you have to take it case by case and really try to determine how much you think PEDS may have helped that particular player……I know that’s subjective but you don’t do what Bonds and Clemens did without being a HOF talent to begin with…..you just don’t…

  73. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “You guys are falling all over yourselves to get Morse, yet Soriano\Cubs is there for the taking. Wake up.”

    Soriano isn’t as a good as Morse and Theo has yet to say he’d eat all his money and take a B prospect for him.

  74. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    “blake – in my scenario, Yankees would get Morse, Hairston and Suzuki.”

    I think Hairston is a bit redundant if they get Morse and he probably wouldn’t get enough PT to make him happy…..it would be nice to have both he and Morse in the lineup vs LHP…..but they will need DH days for Jeter and Youk and those can happen when Morse plays RF.

    Also….I think Suzuki is an interesting idea…..but Hal would have to approve the 6.5 million he makes this year and they’d also have to basically make sure that he doesn’t start 113 games in 2013 to trigger his 9.25 million 2014 option.,

  75. DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    You just said Morse can NOT even play the OF. Soriano can at least do that, and his production is better than that of Morse. The Yanks would be better off going after Soriano.

  76. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    ““In 1973, a Congressional subcommittee announced that its staff had completed an “in depth study into the use of illegal and dangerous drugs in sports” including professional baseball. The subcommittee concluded that “the degree of improper drug use – primarily amphetamines and anabolic steroids – can only be described as alarming.”
    —————————————————–
    this scintilating, insightful kind of investigation and conclusion typifies why congress’s favorable rating is lower than that of head lice.

  77. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    wait….so guys may have been taking Steroids in the 70s! The horror

  78. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    “You just said Morse can NOT even play the OF. Soriano can at least do that, and his production is better than that of Morse. ”

    he isn’t good….but neither is Soriano and all he’d have to do is play RF vs LHP. Besides…..Soriano would be on the books for 2014 and the reports say Theo wants a real prospect for him

  79. DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    You want Morse? You want Suzuki? Then get the Nats to throw in Espinosa and trade Cano for the 3. The $$$ is close, and the Yanks would control Espinosa for Several yrs. You guys are gonna be kicking yourself when Cano is doing a Jesse James next offseason. And don’t give me the draft pick\draft slot $$$ hog-slop. That, and a couple scratch-offs Might get you $50 IF your lucky.

  80. austinmac January 9th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    YS Guy,

    I absolutely agree AROD will do everything possible to play. My point was if he can’t he gets paid no matter what.

  81. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    “You want Morse? You want Suzuki? Then get the Nats to throw in Espinosa and trade Cano for the 3″

    the Yankees lose their best player for a year of Morse….a not good catcher….and Espinosa…..terrible

  82. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    “I absolutely agree AROD will do everything possible to play. My point was if he can’t he gets paid no matter what.”

    I hope there is a PED to help him recover.

  83. Against All Odds January 9th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    blake January 9th, 2013 at 9:02 am
    My Ballot:
    Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Raines, Biggio, Bagwell, Trammell, Schilling, Morris.

    ————————-

    Here is mine

    Raines, Morris, Piazza, Bonds, Clemens, Bagwell

    with Schilling getting in maybe next yr. I’d probably put Mcguire in too

  84. umbrelladoc January 9th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    If Granderson is dealt, Hairston is your everyday LF. If you need to DH Youk or ARod, you can sit Gardner or Ichiro. Ichiro supposedly benefited from having more days off. Now the team lacks lefty power, so I doubt Cash would do this.

  85. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    so if arod were unable to play again, would his salary count vs. the luxury tax all the way till the end of the contract?

    this is theoretical i dont think anything like this will happen. in fact i think he will come back somewhat near his 2011 level.

  86. blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    trading Granderson to play Hairston makes the Yankees worse though unless you really get a good return in the trade…..

  87. DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    When you say Morse, 10:31 “Can’t play the OF at all”, that’s More than just, 10:48 “isn’t good”. Please, let’s Not open the Waffle House.

  88. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    mcgwire? thats worse than raines!

  89. blake January 9th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    “When you say Morse, 10:31 “Can’t play the OF at all”, that’s More than just, 10:48 “isn’t good”. Please, let’s Not open the Waffle House.”

    neither could Ibanez and he did…..when I say he can’t play the OF….I mean he’s not good out there…..doesn’t mean he couldn’t man the small RF in YS against LHP.

  90. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    If, hypothetically, trading Granderson made them worse in 2013, but potentially a lot better in 2014 and beyond, I would do it.

  91. blake January 9th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    “so if arod were unable to play again, would his salary count vs. the luxury tax all the way till the end of the contract?”

    yup….27.5 million every year…..but hey at least there would be no homer bonuses

  92. DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    You say the idea of getting Suzuki is, 10:45 “interesting”, and Now, 10:55 brand him as, “Not good”.

    – LADIES AND GENTLEMEN -
    The waffle house is Open for business.

  93. Against All Odds January 9th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    blake January 9th, 2013 at 10:47 am
    wait….so guys may have been taking Steroids in the 70s! The horror

    ———————–

    C’mon Blake we all know the steroid era started with Canseco in the mid 80s.

  94. Against All Odds January 9th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 10:58 am
    mcgwire? thats worse than raines!

    ————————

    He was one of the best hitters in the game for a while even though he was a user.

  95. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    i pay alot of atttention to the mets. throughout last season hairston was great off the bench and in a platoon, but when he became a f/t OF he was pretty bad. the announcers constantly pointed out that he was ‘being exposed’ by overplaying.

  96. austinmac January 9th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Rich,

    Make that an undetectable PED.

    We have also learned for those not privy to the discussion, insurance payments do not help for cap purposes.

    We better hope to get something from him.

  97. blake January 9th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    “If, hypothetically, trading Granderson made them worse in 2013, but potentially a lot better in 2014 and beyond, I would do it.”

    yea I’d just have to see who they are getting….

  98. Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    “He was one of the best hitters in the game for a while”
    ======================================
    so was mattingly

  99. blake January 9th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    “C’mon Blake we all know the steroid era started with Canseco in the mid 80s.”

    we really don’t know anything…..that’s when we think rampant use started but we have no idea.

  100. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “yup….27.5 million every year…..but hey at least there would be no homer bonuses”

    And since it is insured, Hal get buy more Maybachs, yachts, and exclusive country club memberships.

  101. blake January 9th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    “You say the idea of getting Suzuki is, 10:45 “interesting”, and Now, 10:55 brand him as, “Not good”.”

    you don’t have to be good to be better than what they have…..you have a tough time following along

  102. DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    The steroid user’s like Canseco should be Blackballed, as should Mgrs like LaRussa that turned a blind eye to this stuff, while they hoisted the Championship Trophies over their head.

  103. DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    I’m holding you to what you say, and it’s obvious you like Jello.

  104. Rich in NJ January 9th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    “The steroid user’s like Canseco should be Blackballed, as should Mgrs like LaRussa that turned a blind eye to this stuff, while they hoisted the Championship Trophies over their head.”

    What about the steroid users we don’t know about? That’s the problem. Even if you want to ban users, players are going to get in who used; it’s unavoidable. So any attempt to draw a bright line would be difficult.

  105. Against All Odds January 9th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Ys Guy January 9th, 2013 at 11:06 am
    “He was one of the best hitters in the game for a while”
    ======================================
    so was mattingly
    ——————————————————————-

    His back gave out on him to early

  106. Against All Odds January 9th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    blake January 9th, 2013 at 11:06 am
    “C’mon Blake we all know the steroid era started with Canseco in the mid 80s.”

    we really don’t know anything…..that’s when we think rampant use started but we have no idea.
    ————————–

    I was being sarcastic..

  107. 86w183 January 9th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Donny, by that standard every player, manager, owner, Commissioner and media person involved in baseball from 1988 to 2003 should be banned from Cooperstown.

    That’s a lot of people who “turned a blind eye” to steroids in baseball.

    That’s why I rail against the hypocritical sanctimony from those who want 10-12 people to pay the entire price for the steroid ERA when EVERYONE in baseball was complicit in it.

  108. DONNYBROOK January 9th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Aint NO WAY LaRussa did Not Know that his balloning players, (Canseco and McGwire) were Not using. And to further Insult the intelligence of MLB Fans, LaRussa continued to defend McGwire right up until McGwire admitted his use of Roids. La Russa’s W-L record as a Mgr is a joke, because a large part of it was compiled while managing players he Knew were on Roids.

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