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Davidoff: Steinbrenner leaves some wiggle room in $189M plan

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 10, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Mentioned it on Twitter, but might as well mention it here as well:

I heard from a source today that the Yankees have “nothing alive” on potential trade target Mike Morse. The Yankees are still focused on finding a right-handed bat — and also working toward some minor league invitations to big league camp — but there’s no real traction toward a trade for Morse, who no longer seems to have an everyday job now that the Nationals have re-signed Adam LaRoche.

Meanwhile, down in Arizona…

Ken Davidoff spoke to Hal Steinbrenner at the MLB owners meetings. Steinbrenner left what could be seen as a little bit of wiggle room in the Yankees plan to limit spending in 2014.

“Is our goal 189 next year? Yes,” Steinbrenner said. “But only if I’m convinced if the team I see, that we’ve put together, is a championship-caliber team. … I believe that you don’t have to have a $220-million payroll to win a championship.”

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156 Responses to “Davidoff: Steinbrenner leaves some wiggle room in $189M plan”

  1. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Wiggle room is more than we have had before. I shall see this glass as partially full.

  2. G. Love January 10th, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    I see this comment as a way to stop the angry mob with torches & pitchforks that are headed towards his franchise.

    The statement is inaccurate. There is no wiggle room. You’re either over 189 or under it. You don’t give any benefits for being over it. This fanbase isn’t as dumb as some in the front office like to think we are.

  3. Jerkface January 10th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Mike Axisa super pessimistic over these statements: http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....say-81334/

    But I agree with him.

  4. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    I recommend the Wall Street Journal interview. Clearly, Hal is counting on big production from the minors to achieve a competitive team. He will count on it through the end of 2014 and beyond.

    I have said many times that with so many players leaving, it would be very difficult to field a good team even if you had money. It has always struck me as foolish not to seek out reasonable multi year agreements.

  5. blake January 10th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Hal realizes that Manny B and Pineda are hurt right?

  6. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    At least some questions are being asked rather than having the reporters go completely Stepford Wives with ownership.

  7. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    If the team nosedives in the near future and fans truly get enraged, it has to make a difference to ownership unless they plan to sell. Corporations, it seems to me, won’t buy the legends seats if their clients aren’t dying to see the games. The income will drop dramatically. I pretty much guarantee it.

  8. 4 NYY January 10th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    Hal didn’t wiggle at all. IMO $ 189 million or bust.

  9. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    G Love, the wiggle room that Chad referenced is in regards to the determination of the team to get under the $189M number. Taken at face value, Hal’s comment does indeed introduce some wiggle room into the equation.

    There’s no wiggle room as far as getting the technical benefits of coming under the number, with those being the reset of the penalty % for being under the number and the revenue sharing rebate, but that doesn’t seem to be what Hal was talking about or what Chad was referring to.

  10. G. Love January 10th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    My Yankee mole, who I saw at the gym today but didn’t hear anything from, sounds like he was right re: Hal telling Cashman to put his prospects where his mouth is.

    In one breath, it’s exciting…but it’d be more exciting if we had more truly major league ready talent bursting at the seams. It seems like a lot of these guys they are depending on are “reaches” at this point.

  11. matthew friedberg January 10th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    He realizes 189 million and a winning team w happy fans is not gonna happen and he’s gonna have to be higher

  12. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    It’s funny the way he phrased it, but there is an enormous, Grand Canyon/Robinson Cano contract-sized gap between the $220M he mentioned and the $189M luxury tax number.

  13. Against All Odds January 10th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    G. Love January 10th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
    My Yankee mole, who I saw at the gym today but didn’t hear anything from, sounds like he was right re: Hal telling Cashman to put his prospects where his mouth is.

    In one breath, it’s exciting…but it’d be more exciting if we had more truly major league ready talent bursting at the seams. It seems like a lot of these guys they are depending on are “reaches” at this point.

    ————————

    What bothers me is statements like this:

    “the young players that have stepped up are going to have to continue to do so, and some of the ones that haven’t yet are going to have to.”

    “these young players have to step up and get the job done”

    “If the young players, the [David] Phelps of the world, who did step up continue to do that and some of the other guys like [Manny] Banuelos, [Michael] Pineda we’ve yet to see. If they get the job done, the math works.”

    He’s once again throwing the gauntlet down to the prospects to save them. “These guys have to….” He simply doesn’t understand things don’t work like that.

  14. Chad Jennings January 10th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    What I mean by wiggle room is that it’s the first time I’ve ever read or heard Steinbrenner hedge on the $189 by saying it will happen “only if” he’s convinced the team is good enough to contend. It suggests that he’s willing to go over if someone gets hurt, the young guys don’t develop, the pitching staff clearly needs an upgrade…

    It’s the first time he’s ever left that option open. He’s usually stuck with the idea that $189 million should be enough to win — and he said that again today — but this time he hedged just a little bit.

    The rest of what I’ve read wasn’t anything drastic or new.

    If you’re interested, the Wall Street Journal has more:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/metropoli.....pty-seats/

  15. bruceb January 10th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Too late for wiggle room now. The best players have gone.

    I wonder whether Hal is suggesting they may be willing to spend more money before the trade deadline IF the Yankees are still in contention?

  16. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    It’s not too late for wiggle room for 2014.

  17. Chad Jennings January 10th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    I think he’s only referring to next year.

  18. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    If you didn’t sign off on that A-Rod deal, Hal, this wouldn’t be as much of an issue. Don’t make the fans pay for your stupidity.

  19. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    FWIW, 24 of 30 teams, including the Yankees, signed a free agent to a multi year deal. See, we’re with the cool kids.

  20. UnKnown January 10th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Matt Kemp ?@TheRealMattKemp
    Only thing I dislike worse than the Yankees… is losing to the Yankees!! RT #MLB13Kemp now if you’re with me!!!

    ——–

    This MLB13 cover competition is getting vicious. CC is a tweeting maniac trying to get the nod.

  21. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Why is Matt Kemp inventing imaginary enemies?

  22. blake January 10th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    How many times have you played against the Yankees Mr Kemp?

  23. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    “Hal realizes that Manny B and Pineda are hurt right?”

    More importantly, does he realize that pitching doesn’t hold the keys to the kingdom?

  24. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    He already has imaginary friends?

  25. blake January 10th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    At least Hal didnt mention Betances this year and a key to the future

  26. pkyankfan69 January 10th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
    “Hal realizes that Manny B and Pineda are hurt right?”

    More importantly, does he realize that pitching doesn’t hold the keys to the kingdom?
    —————————————–
    And that big hairy monsters struggle to hit playoff caliber pitching (except for the best of the best mashers of course)

  27. pkyankfan69 January 10th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    On ESPN.com now many of the comment sections on articles are connected to Facebook and peoples FB profiles are displayed next to the comment.

    On ESPN’s article about the new HGH testing the top rated comment of course is by a FB profile by the name of “Alex Rodriguez” and it just says “Nooooooooooooo!”

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_.....l-test-hgh

    The comment as well as the FB profile are both pretty hilarious for anyone who might be bored.

  28. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Shocking that Hal doesn’t take our assumptions and obsessions into account before he makes these public statements. :neutral:

  29. comnsnse January 10th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Hal must be gearing up for a political career post Yankee ownership.

    Florida is the perfect setting for this character who no doubt would fit right in with the loonies in Tallahasee!

  30. Against All Odds January 10th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 6:22 pm “Hal realizes that Manny B and Pineda are hurt right

    ——–

    He realizes they are hurt but believes they still have to get the job done

  31. blake January 10th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Nick in SF says:
    January 10, 2013 at 6:34 pm
    Shocking that Hal doesn’t take our assumptions and obsessions into account before he makes these public statements.

    Considering “we” are his customers….yes kinda is

  32. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Really, blake? Because other of his customers might not share each of those assumptions and obsessions. Which kind of goes back to that old saying about why a GM shouldn’t think like a fan.

  33. jr1212 January 10th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    “@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Dbacks’ Justin Upton invoked his no-trade rights to reject a deal to the #Mariners. Story with @jonmorosi: http://t.co/I7RHjAk2”

  34. RadioKev January 10th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    I tend to agree with Mike Axisia on this one. While you’re right Chad, this is the first time Hal has said he’s willing to go over $189m if necessary, it seems more like he’s covering his @ss.

    When he says “I’m surprised to hear that there’s anger, if you see what we’ve done this offseason,” that’s nothing but spin. Sure, the team is vastly improved since the official beginning of free agency at the end of the 2012 season, but it’s in no way better now that it was in the spring of 2012. We’ve got Rivera coming back, Pineda who’s a huge question mark, Aardsma who’s a question mark, we’ve said goodbye to Swisher, Soriano, Martin and Ibanez. A-Rod is out half the season. How is he surprised that fans are angry by what they’ve done this season? By all measures the team is worse on paper.

    Spinning just isn’t the way to handle public relations. Give us the truth. George did.

  35. RadioKev January 10th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    jr1212 January 10th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
    “@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Dbacks’ Justin Upton invoked his no-trade rights to reject a deal to the #Mariners. Story with @jonmorosi: http://t.co/I7RHjAk2”
    ——-

    J-Up will have a new residence at some point this off season.

  36. blake January 10th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Dbacks’ Justin Upton invoked his no-trade rights to reject a deal to the #Mariners. Story with @jonmorosi: http://t.co/I7RHjAk2

  37. blake January 10th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    “Really, blake? Because other of his customers might not share each of those assumptions and obsessions. Which kind of goes back to that old saying about why a GM shouldn’t think like a fan.”

    What are we talking about exactly? I’m talking about listening to your customers….that’s all

  38. blake January 10th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    One suitor down

  39. tomingeorgia January 10th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Mister MTU,
    You around?

  40. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Yes Mister Tom.

    Been lurking this eve.

  41. johnfrom85thst January 10th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    “I believe that you don’t have to have a $220-million payroll to win a championship.” – Hal Steinbrenner.

    Yes, absolutely right, this would be a lot easier if Hal hadn’t personally doubled the Yankees’ obligation to A-Rod.

    And he’s picked up his father’s habit of thinking that if the owner says, “The players must perform,” they will do that.

    Takes no responsibility for A-Rod’s $30 million per or for the team not developing a better farm system.

  42. tomingeorgia January 10th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Mister MTU,
    Are you at all alarmed by the total lack of any ammunition for sale, almost everywhere?

  43. blake January 10th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Load your own bullets

  44. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Tom-

    I thought ahead.

    ;)

  45. tomingeorgia January 10th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    blake,
    Powder’s scarce, too.

  46. Tar January 10th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    “Are you at all alarmed by the total lack of any ammunition for sale, almost everywhere?”

    Alarmed? It seems to me that there is a lot of people stockpiling ammo. Is that alarming?

  47. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    I don’t blame Upton for refusing to be traded to the M’s.

    Why would he want to go there ?

  48. tomingeorgia January 10th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    Tar,
    Nope, it;s a hopeful sign. Just got a new caliber, though, tough finding ammo, is all. If Midway doesn’t have it, nobody does.

  49. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Not a bad week driving ’round – only one finger to a nasty thus far!

    :)

  50. Against All Odds January 10th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    I wonder what the Ms offered

  51. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    AAO-

    Interesting question.

    Enough to get the Snakes to offer him.

    They have lot’s of pitching in particular.

    It’s a moot point now.

  52. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    “What are we talking about exactly? I’m talking about listening to your customers….that’s all”

    Probably different things, because my original sarcastic remark wasn’t supposed to imply that tbe Yankees shouldn’t listen to their customers.

  53. blake January 10th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Thinking they had to offer at least one of the Hultzen Paxton, group then maybe Franklin and some other pieces….hard to say

  54. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Has Darren Oliver gotten his agent and his personal gears in order?…..I need a lefty specialist and I don’t think Plesac is up to it.

  55. blake January 10th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    “Probably different things, because my original sarcastic remark wasn’t supposed to imply that tbe Yankees shouldn’t listen to their customers.”

    Lets exchange Cajun filet biscuits and move on ;)

  56. blake January 10th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    @jcrasnick: It’s hard to see how #dbacks can go to spring training with Justin Upton. Talk about a strained relationship.

  57. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    “It’s hard to see how #dbacks can go to spring training with Justin Upton.”

    Is this guy an Einstein or what.

    :)

  58. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Anyway, I’m much more concerned about this lack of ammunition I’m reading about.

    We’re talking about the offense, right?

  59. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    MTU, stop picking on blake!

  60. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Mills-

    It was directed at Crasnick for stating the obvious.

    But you knew that !

    ;)

  61. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    MTU, don’t forget, I’m happily dumb :)

  62. jacksquat January 10th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Have the Yankees lost 200 homeruns yet?

    Are they going to lose 100 games?

    Are Pineda and Arod buried yet?

    This board sometimes…

  63. Tar January 10th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    “Shocking that Hal doesn’t take our assumptions and obsessions into account before he makes these public statements. ”

    ““What are we talking about exactly? ”

    Deciphering Nick speak is never easy. It’s like peeling back an onion, there are layers upon layers.

    Which reminds me it took awhile but I think I finally figured out the point you were trying to make the other night. I Do not want to re-hash it but feel there were two key differences.

  64. jacksquat January 10th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    blake January 10th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
    @jcrasnick: It’s hard to see how #dbacks can go to spring training with Justin Upton. Talk about a strained relationship.

    Not hard at all. They had a trade and he refused it. His fault now.

  65. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    jack-

    I kinda doubt that’s the end of it.

    ;)

  66. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    “Which reminds me it took awhile but I think I finally figured out the point you were trying to make the other night. I Do not want to re-hash it but feel there were two key differences.”

    Me? There is no telling what I was talking about

  67. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Just find out what the Mariners want for Justin Upton and jump in on that action. Simple. It’s possible we match up better with the Mariners than the Diamondbacks. The Mariners need offense all over the place – so we can give them Eduardo Nunez, David Adams, Mason Williams, Tyler Austin, Flores. And they don’t need pitching.

  68. Tar January 10th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    “Me? There is no telling what I was talking about”

    My money is on Upton :D

  69. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    @jcrasnick: #Mariners, #bluejays, #redsox and #cubs are the 4 teams on Upton’s no-trade list. This deal was never gonna work.

    No Yankees!

  70. Pat M. January 10th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    blake…….I agreed with you then as I do know, that the line was drawn in the sand in December 2009 regarding Matt Holliday. I never bought into the Coors Field hysteria and he would have been a steal…..And had they signed him I still would have made the Granderson trade……Man I’m starting to sweat the Tarheels laying what I thought was a bargin at 4 points

  71. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    U guys are stuck with Arod and Vancouver with the under pressure sieve, Roberto Luongo. ( He sure as hell aint going to be Canada’s stooper come ’14 – I vote for Roggie Vachon )

  72. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Sorry, ” stopper,” but , ” stooper, ” sounds good too.

  73. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    The Mariners want an impact bat that’s ready now…..and we don’t have any of those to give

  74. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    …”…Man I’m starting to sweat the Tarheels laying what I thought was a bargin at 4 points”

    You’re sweating! I’m sweating….. This team is hard to watch

  75. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    “It’s like peeling back an onion, there are layers upon layers.”

    Also, it might make you cry if you get too close but it makes good soup.

  76. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    D-Backs took pitching for offense. Mariners obviously trade pitching for offense. Does their return necessarily have to be in the form of one player? We don’t know that.

  77. Tar January 10th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    You’re sweating! I’m sweating….. This team is hard to watch”

    I’m cool. low expectations

  78. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    What’s a Tarheel? The closest thing I know was trying to rake his Maple Leafs last Sat..

  79. Tar January 10th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Tokoto gets high!

  80. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    “Which reminds me it took awhile but I think I finally figured out the point you were trying to make the other night. I Do not want to re-hash it but feel there were two key differences.”

    The point I was trying to make in the second part of what I said the other night was speculative and hyperbolic, so it’s no surprise it was misunderstood. But I meant to respond to some of what yankeefeminista said because I don’t think it was so accurate. Almost everyone who’s talked about that topic has been at a disadvantage having not been reading the comments when the incident occurred.

  81. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Upton is one smart dude.

    He refuses to go to any team above a certain latitude because it doesn’t work for his attitude.

    Not sure how Chicago figures in.

    Unless it’s the curse of the Goat ?

    :)

  82. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Tar, ” tocayo,” is when 2 peoples have the same nom, mon ami.

  83. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    That damn goat…..

  84. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Texas and Atlanta aren’t on the no trade….

  85. Tar January 10th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Tar, ” tocayo,” is when 2 peoples have the same nom, mon ami.”

    Thanks Jmills

    BTW –Tokoto is a Tarheel

  86. Tar January 10th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    Texas and Atlanta aren’t on the no trade….”

    Interesting the Sox are.

  87. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Blake-

    The greatest riddle since the Sphinx is what Towers wants in return for Upton.

    :)

  88. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Hi Tar, jmv told me all about the, ” Tocayo, ” thing.

  89. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    The Crasnick article on ESPN says the Mariners offered a “substantial package”. With their skeleton crew on offense that was probably a package rich in pitching.

  90. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    I just don’t like giving up pitching.

  91. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    @mikeaxisa: So the package was Furbush, Pryor, Franklin, and one of Walker, Hultzen, Paxton? Meh.

    Yanks could match that maybe….they don’t have the frontline pitcher but they have position players better than franklin

  92. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    The world needs to know what the Mariners offered. Especially as we’re three days away from The Anniversary.

  93. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Ah, the world already knows.

    Kind of anti-climactic, I think, but not the bombshell that some were speculating about.

  94. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    @JonHeymanCBS: heres an idea of the package that the #dbacks will now not be getting for upton. from @ScottMCBS http://t.co/jtjFHukX

  95. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Sorry, Nick, I don’t know much about Feb. 13.

  96. Against All Odds January 10th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    MTU January 10th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    AAO-

    Interesting question.

    Enough to get the Snakes to offer him.

    They have lot’s of pitching in particular.

    It’s a moot point now.

    ———-

    Moot it’s completely silent now lol

  97. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    The deal would have sent three or four players back to Arizona, according to CBSSports.com sources. Included among those players would have been relievers Charlie Furbush and Stephen Pryor, minor league shortstop Nick Franklin and, likely, one of three minor-league starting pitching prospects: Right-hander Taijuan Walker, lefty James Paxton or lefty Danny Hultzen.

  98. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Blake, I’d give them Fran Tarrrkenton as well, why not?

  99. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Pat M, bargains can be traps. :neutral:

  100. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    February 13 is The Anniversary plus one month. Unless I feel asleep and it’s February now, in which case I missed the Super Bowl.

  101. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    AAO-

    Somehow I don’t think we’ve heard the end of JU trade rumors.

    I believe that train has left the station.

    ;)

  102. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    You’re right, Nick! I don’t know what Jan. 13 means either for that matter! LMAO ( guess I just want to get thru this )

  103. UnKnown January 10th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Is this place in danger of closing up shop because the Journal News is catching so much heat about that interactive map? I mean if the newspaper shuts down I suppose everyone here is going to have much more free time on their hands.

    I got to bounce but I was just wondering. I will check later to see what people think, if anything.

  104. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Pretty dumb of Towers to think Upton is going to go to a team on his no trade.

    Only 2 ways Upton does that:

    He’s desperate to exit Az.

    or

    He’s offered a lucrative extension.

    Apparently he isn’t that desperate and apparently they didn’t offer the mega coin.

    The Yankees would suit him much better.

    ;)

  105. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    @DCameronFG: According to @ScottMCBS, M’s offer was something like one of Walker/Hultzen/Paxton, then Franklin, Furbush, and Pryor. Sounds about right

  106. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    In my books, the Journal News is fine.

  107. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    UnKnown, it’s going to get even worse for the Journal News because my sources tell me that their next move is to publish an interactive map revealing the names and addresses of everyone who supported the Montero trade, which occurred on January 13, 2012.

  108. Against All Odds January 10th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    @ MTU true the rumors and stories have just started :)

  109. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    That’s a doable price for the Braves with Teheran as the center piece

  110. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Nick, hilarious, I get it now!!!!!!!!!

  111. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    As we’ve said before….i think to match that package the Yanks would need to give 2 of the (Mason, Sanchez, Heathcott, Austin ) group and then probably Nova/Phelps and another lesser prospect

  112. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Blake-

    Braves would be an excellent possibility all things considered.

    How bad do the Rangers want to make up for Hamilton ?

  113. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Re: the Montero trade; in the words of the Eagles, ” get over over it, ” people! :):):)

  114. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    “How bad do the Rangers want to make up for Hamilton ?”

    If they won’t give Andrus or Profar then they may not have enough

  115. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Damn blackberry, one, ” over.” :) :(

  116. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    Woah! :shock:

    Some good folks consider “get over it” to be fighting words when it comes to that trade.

    Tread lightly, the ice is sometimes thinner down here in the Lower 48.

  117. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Blake-

    That would likely be part of the freight from the Rangers but not necessarily.

    They have a deep Farm system.

  118. blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    If the price is Austin, Mason, Nova, and Adams for Upton are we doing doing it?

  119. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    some people just have a need to be upset and anything that comes their way has to be met with complaining.

    to me there was good news all around today.

    cashman is giving nunez a second chance to fill the much needed role of utility person

    and hank wants to get the payroll under $189M but again said that he wouldn’t do that if they can’t compete at that level.

    some people have met both statements with scorn.

    to me both statements were good news.

    for a no news day it was a pretty good day, imo!

  120. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Nick, its no big deal; some things just don’t work out in the kitchen. ( No matter the how harder )……we carry on

  121. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    MTU,

    It’s deep but kinda top heavy at the moment with Profar and Olt….Perez has been hurt and underperformed and the rest of their impact guys are years away.

  122. Tar January 10th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    “Re: the Montero trade; in the words of the Eagles, ” get over over it, ” people!

    I think “you can check out BUT YOU CAN NEVER LEAVE” is more apropos. :evil:

    How does the exact players in a possible trade get leaked out? if I was the GM’s involved i would not be happy. Unless of course one of them is the culprit. :shock:

  123. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Mariners offered four players for #DBacks’ Upton. One of Walker/Hultzen/Paxton, plus Franklin and Furbush, then Pryor or another.

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Upton rejected deal, and by doing so, one source said, “saved Jack Z’s job.” Package from #Mariners to #DBacks first reported by @ScottMCBS.

    Wow

  124. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Blake-

    Make it Heathcott, Flores, Nova, and Adams and it’s done.

    But you have to trade Grandy to the M’s for _______ as part of it.

    ;)

  125. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    MTU,

    Id obviously do that….think it’d take a bit more though. Id love to get Nick Frankin from the Ms

  126. Tar January 10th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    “@Ken_Rosenthal: Upton rejected deal, and by doing so, one source said, “saved Jack Z’s job.” Package from #Mariners to #DBacks first reported by @ScottMCBS.”

    Is he implying a massive overpay?

  127. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Tar, I know, I want leave too :)

  128. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    I think that’s a fair price….but Seattle was giving a good chunk….

  129. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    ” Leave ” – as in more than the 2 weeks I’m presently at.

  130. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    blake, when you say mason, you mean williams?

  131. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Blake-

    Doesn’t Texas still have Shelby Miller ? What level is he at ?

  132. Tar January 10th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Why the “save Jack Z’s job” quote?

    Whoever Rosenthal’s source is, has to think that was a big overpay for Upton.

  133. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Diamondbacks again send clear message to Justin Upton by attempting to trade him to a team on his no-trade list without talking to him first

  134. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Texas also has Tanner Scheppers.

    Big arm.

  135. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    “Is he implying a massive overpay?”

    I can’t tell, but probably. Or maybe he’s implying that if Upton is a malcontent (questionable premise) in Arizona, his malcontentedness in Seattle would be super-caffeinated.

  136. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    “Blake-

    Doesn’t Texas still have Shelby Miller ? What level is he at ?”

    Cards

    “blake, when you say mason, you mean williams?”

    Yes

  137. CompassRosy January 10th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Churchill’s speculation (as “speculation” may be all we ever get about this)

    http://prospectinsider.com/vie.....-m's/

    :::::The buzz right now is about what the Mariners offered the Arizona Diamondbacks. The information I am getting varies, so I can’t divulge, and just prior to publishing this I was told the M’s “may have been getting two players back, not just Upton.”

    As for what the actual offer was, we may never know — we almost certainly will never know — but it’s difficult to believe the D-backs would have taken a deal not headlined by right-hander Taijuan Walker.

    Other names mentioned to me include relievers Charlie Furbush, Stephen Pryor, Carter Capps, left-hander Danny Hultzen and shortstop Brad Miller, but I have to believe Walker was part of it.:::::

  138. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    ““blake, when you say mason, you mean williams?”

    Yes
    ———————————–
    then the answer is no, thats a big overpay for upton.

  139. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Nick, I was focused on Valentine’s masscacre, that’s why I said Feb. 13 thinking you were a day off.

    How’s Ellis?

  140. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    A non Andrus or Profar Texas package would probably look like:

    Olt, Perez, Martin etc….that’s not as good as what Seattle offered IMO

  141. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Blake-

    “Diamondbacks again send clear message to Justin Upton by attempting to trade him to a team on his no-trade list without talking to him first”

    That also says they are pretty dumb because why would he accept ?

    Talk about chasing your own tail.

    ;)

  142. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    ” Masscara ” – that stuff put on the facial matter.

  143. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    ———–
    “then the answer is no, thats a big overpay for upton.”

    Chances Williams is ever as good as Upton is now….probably like 15% and Upton has more upside still. Love Mason….but he’s in A ball and at least 2 years away….Id trade either mason or Heathcott for Upton so long as I got to keep the other

  144. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    @jcrasnick: Maybe the #dbacks can trade Justin Upton to #indians for Trevor Bauer and some other prospects. Just a thought.

  145. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    “How’s Ellis?”

    Hmmmm, now I’m the one who doesn’t know what you are talking about.

    You mean this?

    http://www.eofgarage.com/

  146. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Stories say, Valentine had a better arm than Barfield, but I saw Jesse thro out Murcer to end an early inning on a dime. ( Whitt reached around for the kill )- Jays won that opener with Tony Kubick, Chevier et all.

  147. AAA January 10th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    That also says they are pretty dumb because why would he accept ?

    ================================================

    If Seattle makes it worth his while, why not? No trades aren’t about not going to bad teams, there about leverage. Maybe Upton’s agent knew what he was doing when he changed the teams in his LTC to include Seattle.

    Seattle says “Hey, we’ll make the last year of your contract a player option, so you hit free agency a year sooner”, and they probably have themselves a deal.

  148. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Nick, leave ot the bloody Farrell part ! :)

  149. jmills January 10th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    ” Leave out ” – sorry, was trying to be too fast.

  150. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    AAO-

    They didn’t even talk to Upton. That was my point.

    ;)

  151. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    @BNightengale: And no Upton won’t go to #RedSox either

  152. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    I’m not sure we have heard the last of Upton and the Mariners. Money talks and that’s what no trades are for.

    What will we focus on after Upton and Morse end up elsewhere?

  153. MTU January 10th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    New post ——>

  154. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    new post

  155. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    “If Seattle makes it worth his while, why not? No trades aren’t about not going to bad teams, there about leverage. Maybe Upton’s agent knew what he was doing when he changed the teams in his LTC to include Seattle.”

    I think a lot of no trades are about leverage….this one I bet is about Safeco and Upton not wanting to go to the land where hitters die at age 25…..my guess is they’d REALLY have to make it worth his while

  156. Nick in SF January 10th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    You should have said “Leave oot” and we could have had a good laugh. :arrow:

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