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Robinson Cano and Dale Murphy: Are we watching a Hall of Famer?

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 10, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Dale Murphy’s 15 years have come and gone. Yesterday, he received just 18.6 percent of the Hall of Fame vote, and that wasn’t nearly enough. It was his last year of eligibility, and if he’s ever going to be enshrined, a committee is going to have to do it. The writers’ consensus seemed to be that Murphy had a Hall of Fame peak, but not a Hall of Fame career. 

That might put into perspective the Hall of Fame potential of Robinson Cano.

Cano turned 30 years old in October, meaning he just completed his age 26 through 29 seasons. They were not his first great years — he’d been an all-star and finished 22nd in MVP voting three years earlier — but they were the years that established Cano as one of the game’s elite superstars.

Murphy turned 30 in 1986, meaning his age 26 through 29 seasons came from 1982 to 1985. They were not his first great years — he’d been an all-star and finished 12th in MVP voting two years earlier — but they were the years that established Murphy as one of the game’s elite superstars.

Compare the two, using each player’s four-year period from age 26 through 29:

Cano – .314/.365/.534 with an .899 OPS
Murphy – .293/.383/.533 with a .916 OPS

Cano – 788 hits, 115 home runs, 406 RBI, 19 stolen bases
Murphy – 707 hits, 145 home runs, 441 RBI, 82 stolen bases

Cano – Two Gold Gloves, three Silver Sluggers, three Top 10 MVP finishes (3rd, 6th, 5th)
Murphy – Four Gold Gloves, four Silver Sluggers, four Top 10 MVP finishes (1st, 1st, 9th, 7th)

Entering his age 30 season, Murphy had played in 1,200 career games and was a career .278/.357/.493 hitter with 1,225 hits and 237 home runs.

Entering his age 30 season, Cano has played in 1,214 career games and is a career .308/.351/.503 hitter with 1,459 hits and 177 home runs.

If we’ve just witnessed Cano’s peak, it’s very similar to Murphy’s. Murphy’s was probably better, but Cano’s has included a World Series title and nearly 50 postseason games (Murphy played in three postseason games in his entire career). They’ve played different positions, but both are, or were, up-the-middle players at positions where defense is key. Both have, or had, good defensive reputations.

The lesson learned is this: Cano may be experiencing a Hall of Fame peak, but his next eight to 10 years that will determine whether he has a Hall of Fame career.

Murphy was again an all-star and Gold Glove winner at age 30, and at age 31 he moved from center fielder to right field and reached career-highs in home runs (44) and slugging percentage (.580). But his numbers quickly declined after that. Knee injuries took their toll, and from age 32 to 37 – his final six years as a player – Murphy hit just .234/.307/.396. He never made another all-star team, never won another Gold Glove, never again ranked among the MVP leaders.

So far, Cano seems healthy, but so did Alex Rodriguez five years ago when he was 32 years old, had just won his third MVP award and signed his current 10-year contract. Rodriguez has been on the disabled list every year since.

It’s not impossible to imagine Cano making a Murphy-like position switch — third base, maybe, if his legs start to fatigue with age? – and it’s not hard to envision Cano experiencing a power spike like Murphy had in 1987.

The rest is impossible to imagine and pointless to speculate. Some guys stay healthy and produce well into their late 30s. Some are struck down by injuries. Some simply fade away with age. With Cano, we’ve been watching a Hall of Fame performance. Time will tell whether we’ve been watching a Hall of Fame player.

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180 Responses to “Robinson Cano and Dale Murphy: Are we watching a Hall of Famer?”

  1. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    On Sabathia: Shocking, another player who says he’s “in the best shape of his life” :yawn:

    Couldn’t sleep last night so I watched Yankees vs. Boston from October 2, 2012 (day my son was born) on Yankee Classics on YES. Two things stood out to me: First the Yankees won, which never happens on Yankee Classics. Second, for those who said that the Yankees need to sign this guy and that guy to make sure they have a good team or else no one would show up. This was Yankees vs. Boston, in October, in a pennant race, and no one was in the stadium by the time it ended. I don’t know what the answer is, maybe the Yankees have succeeded in pricing out fans, maybe fans just don’t like the new stadium, maybe people would rather drop $700 on a really nice television and watch all the games than spend $100 to take the family to the game

  2. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Aww.. Little Chip!

    You know… Robbie played on a team with Melky and Arod.. other known users.. not sure how we can decide if he did it clean or not given that type of ‘evidence’…

  3. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    ?@HomerJSimpson

    What?! Mike Piazza didn’t get an Oscar nomination either? Come on!

  4. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    from the extra bases blog: “Ben Cherington: Red Sox still working on Mike Napoli”

    …and in a related matter, Generalisimo Francisco Franco is still dead!

  5. AAA January 10th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Apples and Oranges.

    The fact that Cano has done what he’s done while playing 2B, and doing so very effectively, trumps Murphy doing it as an OF, even a CF, a position in which his defense was vastly overrated.

  6. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    good point chip. i think the big screen hd 3d flat plasma gargantuan tv thingy has alot more to do with declining attendance than some other factors people mention.

  7. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    @CJNitkowski

    I’m in on revamping HoF system. BBWAA writers should have to be members 20 yrs & pass IQ test before being eligible to vote. #Sele #Rimshot

    ———————

    Oddly enough, this was retweeted by Heyman… the guy who used the absolute worst logic of the bunch.

  8. Mike Ri January 10th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    I love Chad .. and I love this blog . . . but why are we comparing Robbie Cano to Dale Murphy ?? seems a little wierd to me … lol lol

  9. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Shame -

    Not only is Cano a teammate of Alex and Melky, but it’s well known that the three of them are/were off-season workout partners.

    I’m certainly not saying that Cano did steroids – but I think he’s going to be tainted by them.

    Anyway – let’s go get Mike Morse and get rid of Curtis Granderson!

  10. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    good point chip. i think the big screen hd 3d flat plasma gargantuan tv thingy has alot more to do with declining attendance than some other factors people mention.
    ————–

    I mentioned it weeks ago – I’ve seen it personally happen.

    My dad was a season ticket holder for the NY Giants. When they moved to Met Life Stadium he went to a few games, didn’t like the changes to the seats or the stadium, found it annoying to get in and out of compared to the old stadium and so he went out, bought a 3D projector and screen and sold his tickets. Now he watches every game without having to deal with obnoxious fans, traffic, over priced food and drinks, and by the end of the first season it had paid for itself.

  11. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    “Anyway – let’s go get Mike Morse and get rid of Curtis Granderson!”
    =======================================
    you do realize that granderson is a better player, plays a more important position and averages about 70 more games played per year than morse, right?

  12. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Incidentally, given the situation at catcher, I would turn to Napoli and say “So, if you’re interested, 2 years $30M is on the table here.”

  13. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Yea really not a relative comp other than the fact that if Cano falls off a cliff like dale did in his early 30s then that’ll hurt his candidacy.

    Cano’s position is one that’s pretty light throughout history…..there are tons of great outfielders in the HOF that Murphey was competing against…..not so much with 2B

    Id say Robbie needs about 5 more solid seasons to get him in…..and he’s got an outside shot at being the best 2B ever if he stays productive long term.

  14. 86w183 January 10th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Chip —–

    The Red Sawx grossly overpaid for Napoli who is not a full-time catcher. (Never caught 100 games in a season)

    You want to pay more? I’ll pass on that.

    Trading for Morse and keeping Granderson makes the 2013 lineup and bench much better.

  15. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Shame -

    Not only is Cano a teammate of Alex and Melky, but it’s well known that the three of them are/were off-season workout partners.

    ——————–

    Let’s also not discount the implications of the Big Papi-esque beard he grows during the off season…. these are all clues!!!

  16. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    “Anyway – let’s go get Mike Morse and get rid of Curtis Granderson!”
    =======================================
    you do realize that granderson is a better player, plays a more important position and averages about 70 more games played per year than morse, right?
    ———————-

    Granderson is being moved out of CF in favor of Brett Gardner.

    If I can trade Granderson to Texas for David Murphy and a prospect I think that’s the best use of him.

    Curtis is an all or nothing player and far too often it’s the nothing instead of the all. The more I watch him play, the more I’m convinced that his near MVP season was an outlier and what we saw last year and in 2010 is who Curtis Granderson really is. A guy who is going to hit .230 and OB around .300 – Morse may not have Curtis’s HR numbers, but he’s a more effective all around hitter than Curtis. And that effectiveness will only increase leaving Washington for a more hitter friendly park.

  17. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    RS intend for napoli to be their first baseman, not catcher.

  18. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:26 am

    I wouldn’t give Napoli 2 years…..but Id love him for 1

  19. AAA January 10th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    The Red Sawx grossly overpaid for Napoli who is not a full-time catcher

    ==================================

    They didn’t sign him to catch full time.

    Was too much $$$ though.

  20. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    good point chip. i think the big screen hd 3d flat plasma gargantuan tv thingy has alot more to do with declining attendance than some other factors people mention.
    ————–

    I mentioned it weeks ago – I’ve seen it personally happen.

    My dad was a season ticket holder for the NY Giants. When they moved to Met Life Stadium he went to a few games, didn’t like the changes to the seats or the stadium, found it annoying to get in and out of compared to the old stadium and so he went out, bought a 3D projector and screen and sold his tickets. Now he watches every game without having to deal with obnoxious fans, traffic, over priced food and drinks, and by the end of the first season it had paid for itself.

    ——————-

    You can get a tv and a home theater system for less than someone might pay for one ticket at the new Stadium. It’s unreal.

    I mean.. I know anyone that drops $1k on a baseball game probably doesn’t care a whole lot about money, but there just aren’t enough people like that in NYC to fill out the Stadium for 81 games a year.

    If you’re having trouble getting people to buy tickets for playoff games you need to reevaluate what you’re doing.

  21. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    morse doesnt strike out as much as granderson but he does strike out alot, 223 SO in 248 games played the past 2 years. plus you didnt address morse’s redunculous injury history or what it will cost to get him.

    and granderson would still be a much better CO than morse IF the yankees decide to move him to LF.

  22. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Pretty brilliant: http://www.thebiglead.com/inde.....bank-page/

  23. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Getting Upton and trading Granderson makes sense cause Upton can play LF…..getting morse and trading Granderson makes much less sense unless the return for Grandy is significantly better than what you have to get Morse

  24. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    If they deal for Morse then Id just keep Grandy and go for it in 2013 unless Im getting like Mike Olt or somebody for Granderson…..

  25. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Incidentally, given the situation at catcher, I would turn to Napoli and say “So, if you’re interested, 2 years $30M is on the table here.”

    ——————

    More places where Youks money could have been better spent..

  26. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    86w183 January 10th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Chip —–

    The Red Sawx grossly overpaid for Napoli who is not a full-time catcher. (Never caught 100 games in a season)

    You want to pay more? I’ll pass on that.

    Trading for Morse and keeping Granderson makes the 2013 lineup and bench much better.
    ——————

    I don’t mind offering a slightly higher AAV to shorten the deal.

    Frankly, I’m fine skipping Napoli.

    Trade Logan, Nunez and Cervelli for Morse and Kurt Suzuki
    Trade Curtis Granderson for David Murphy and Joey Gallo
    Sign Cuban SS Almadys Diaz
    Sign Kelly Johnson

    Lineup:

    Ichiro – RF
    Jeter – SS
    Cano – 2b
    Tex – 1b
    Morse – DH
    Youk – 3b
    Murphy – LF
    Suzuki – C
    Gardner – CF

    Bench: Stewart, Johnson, Canzler, Nix

  27. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    I have a feeling the Yankees will take a draft pick for Granderson and try to win with him in 2013. I think they’re more likely to trade Phil Hughes at the trade deadline but that’s only if Pineda returns healthy and the rotation is crowded. CC, Kuroda and Andy would be getting the ball in games 1,2 and 3. The game 4 starter is not as important as an everyday hitter or everyday outfielder. But Pineda has to be healthy, the older starters can’t be injured and Nova and/or Phelps have to be pitching well enough. Lots of variables there.

    The worst case scenario is a pick for Granderson and a pick for Hughes.

  28. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    If they deal for Morse then Id just keep Grandy and go for it in 2013 unless Im getting like Mike Olt or somebody for Granderson…..

    ————

    Yeah me too.. they need to find a 3B this year whether it’s internally or via trade.

  29. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    “Yeah me too.. they need to find a 3B this year whether it’s internally or via trade.”

    I agree….and I’ve said if they do trade Grandy they should target a SS or 3B

  30. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    From RAB:

    First things first, we have to understand that we know very little about Mustelier. We do know that he defected from Cuba in late-2009 and signed with the Yankees in June 2011 thanks to Matt Eddy at Baseball America. We also know that he turned 28 this past August, hit .301/.407/.517 in Cuba from 2007-2009, and is a career .324/.378/.497 hitter across four minor league levels because that’s what Baseball-Reference tells us. He doesn’t have a platoon split according to Minor League Central, and his overall strikeout rate (13.0%) is pretty great in 656 minor league plate appearances. We have to remember that he was old for every level, however. Mustelier’s a right-handed hitter who has played second and third bases as well as both outfield corners since signing with New York. The vast majority of his 2012 season was spent in left. If MiLB.com’s bio information is to be trusted, we also know he’s a little portly at 5-foot-10 and 210 lbs.

    Newman’s take: “He has a very short stroke and pretty good balance … He strikes out once in every seven at-bats. His walks are below-average but he puts the ball in play … He played third, second, left and right … We are trying to find out where his best defensive position is and what our needs are … He can run and cover ground … He can also play right. He improved defensively over the course of the season.”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ost-81189/

  31. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    RAB is right on time given my previous post :D

    We need to figure out how we’re going to handle that position going forward. Alex is, at best, a 1/2 time 3B going forward.

  32. 86w183 January 10th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    RS intend for Napoli to be their first baseman, not catcher.

    ***************************************************************

    I understand, but he’s not worth anything close to 3 years @ $ 39 as a first baseman. Maybe if he could catch 2/3 of the time. Aside from 2011 he’s been pretty much a slightly above average offensive player… .247 BA, 19 HR, 51 RBI his other six seasons.

    Nice story about October 2 attendance….

    but you should have mentioned that it was a rainy night. It was 62 at game time and quite a bit cooler when the game ended 12 innings and 4:09 later.

    I remember watching the game. If I remember correctly the crowd was still pretty good when Soriano blew the save in the bottom of the 9th.

  33. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    There’s a lot of going forward in my last post…going forward I’ll try to avoid repeating myself.

  34. pkyankfan69 January 10th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    The worst case scenario is a pick for Granderson and a pick for Hughes.
    ——————————————————————-
    The worst case scenario for those 2 is that they suck so bad this season, or get majorly injured, that we can’t make the qualifying offer to either without them accepting. Far Fetched? Sure, but that would be worst case.

  35. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    More hypocrisy from the voters:

    ?@craigcalcaterra

    Wowzers. In 2011 Heyman said Bonds should be in the Hall and that he would not “sit in moral judgment.” http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  36. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    “Barry Bonds doesn’t belong in jail. He belongs in the Hall of Fame.” – John Heyman, 2011

  37. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    My final offer for 1 year of Morse would be Logan, Betances and Adams. How many teams can top that offer?

  38. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    They’ll write whatever gets their articles the most hits… that’s all it comes down to.

    Ball players with giant egos vs. writers with giant egos.

    Sounds like a SyFy movie.

  39. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    FiretheUMPIRE says:
    January 10, 2013 at 9:38 am
    My final offer for 1 year of Morse would be Logan, Betances and Adams. How many teams can top that offer?

    All of them if they wanted to

  40. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Shame,

    Did you tweet that quote to Heybrain?

  41. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    “We need to figure out how we’re going to handle that position going forward. Alex is, at best, a 1/2 time 3B going forward.”
    ———————————————————
    centaur played 81 games at 3b in 2012 so he was already a 1/2 time 3B BEFORE his 2nd hip surgery.
    going forward i think its best for him and the team to throw away his gloves.

  42. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    “The standards are high in a court of law, as they should be. For the Hall, it’s a judgment call. Scoundrels and cheats are already in. So are foul-tempered jerks. Bonds may be all three. He is also one of the three greatest players I ever saw in his prime, along with Alex Rodriguez and Rickey Henderson. A baseball Hall of Fame would be empty without Bonds.”

    This article is ridiculous… he went from defending Bonds to excluding a guy like Piazza based only on suspicion.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z2HaFhjMDD

  43. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    A GM would have to be crazy to pay more than that for 1 year of Morse.

  44. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I wouldn’t trade Adams lightly….he’s probably their best depth at 3b right now for when Youk inevitably gets hurt

  45. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    “We need to figure out how we’re going to handle that position going forward. Alex is, at best, a 1/2 time 3B going forward.”
    ———————————————————
    centaur played 81 games at 3b in 2012 so he was already a 1/2 time 3B BEFORE his 2nd hip surgery.
    going forward i think its best for him and the team to throw away his gloves.

    ————–

    Yeah.. which makes you wonder why they didn’t address this sooner but you make a fair point.

    Throwing away his glove isn’t very cost effective though, and he’s still a more than capable fielder when healthy.

  46. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Shame,

    Did you tweet that quote to Heybrain?

    —————

    No but thanks for reminding me!

  47. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    Adams is insurance for Youk? I thought we decided we have to trade for a 3B.

  48. PacoDooley January 10th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:30 am
    Sign Cuban SS Almadys Diaz
    ———————————————–

    I cannot see this team signing a Cuban player after they passed on some great talent (Cespedes and Soler) last year, when there was also no international spending cap.

  49. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Cespedes, Soler and Chapman.

  50. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Heyman’s gonna get me on Twitter probation lol….

  51. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    I can’t wait until Heyman comes back on Twitter so I can harass him… problem is, he’s probably crafting some ridiculous article right now explaining himself which will inevitably get 1 million hits and make him, once again, the story.

  52. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    FiretheUMPIRE says:
    January 10, 2013 at 9:41 am
    A GM would have to be crazy to pay more than that for 1 year of Morse.

    Maybe so….but a lot of teams could if they wanted to.

  53. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    the least cost effective way to use arod is on the dl. thats why you throw away his gloves.

    and while he can at times still be a pretty good 3B, at other times he’s out there with absolutely no range whatsoever. there have been some balls that almost hit him in the foot that he couldnt get. paired with jeter’s diminished range, its a singles rally just waiting to happen.

    id dh him and get whatever you can out of him as long as you’re stuck with that contract.

  54. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Shame,

    He won’t answer you

  55. AAA January 10th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    My final offer for 1 year of Morse would be Logan, Betances and Adams. How many teams can top that offer?

    ========================================

    Several

  56. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Well then force them to pay more than Logan, Betances and Adams for 1 year of Morse. I don’t think Morse completes any team in baseball quite the way he completes the Yankees. He’s a good fit. So the Yankees have to make a strong, sound offer.

  57. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Ys – Not sure I understand how paying a player that much money in a more limited role is a better allocation of resources.

  58. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    if you can get a 3bman now, you get him and move youk to dh. its about who’s going to play 3b next year that you’re angling for, not so much this year.

  59. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Shame,

    He won’t answer you

    ———————-

    I know but I’d rather annoy Jon Heyman all morning than do work I guess :twisted:

  60. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    “Well then force them to pay more than Logan, Betances and Adams for 1 year of Morse. I don’t think Morse completes any team in baseball quite the way he completes the Yankees. He’s a good fit. So the Yankees have to make a strong, sound offer.”

    He’s a great fit….but he’s a good fit for the Rays too….it just depends what other teams offer. I think they have a good chance to get him unless some team just over pays

  61. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    shame, because putting a 38 y/o ped user on two bad hips in the field greatly increases his chances of landing on the dl.

  62. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    It really depends on who they have at 3B.. if it’s a young kid, it’d be nice to not have to throw a whole seasons workload on his shoulders.. but you gotta reevaluate where Arod is next off season.

  63. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Ys Guy says:
    January 10, 2013 at 9:49 am
    if you can get a 3bman now, you get him and move youk to dh. its about who’s going to play 3b next year that you’re angling for, not so much this year.

    They need a 3B pretty bad…..pretty tough to plan on Alex playing there again at this point

  64. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    if morse misses as many games as he has in the past, he’s not really a good fit for anyone. he’s just a ‘sometimes’ bat and you have to cover his position with someone else.

  65. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    morse’s injury history is not much different than nick johnson’s

  66. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    shame, because putting a 38 y/o ped user on two bad hips in the field greatly increases his chances of landing on the dl.

    ————————–

    I hear ya, but if they want to have a budget they won’t have many options. They can’t carry another $40 million dollars worth of 3B next year, they have a couple of unknown quantities in the system (which might stay unknown if they ride Youk or throw in Nix), and don’t seem to be pushing for young talent at that position.

    When you’re on a budget I think we can all agree you need to get the most out of every dollar….. in that sense, I don’t see how they just keep Arod at DH. A $27.5 million dollar DH is the second to worst case scenario, IMO.

    You are right though.. since the first would be a $27.5 million dollar player on the DL.

    I dunno how they approach this one.

  67. blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    Morse isn’t perfect…..which is why the Nats chose Laroche over him…..but he is a nice fit for what the Yanks need.

    -RH hitter that really doesn’t have a platoon split and hits for average with opo power
    - can DH, play RF, and back up 1B
    -”shouldn’t” take a lot to get
    - could bet you a draft pick if he has a good 2013.

  68. blake January 10th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    @PageSix: The next Kate Upton? http://t.co/iC1eTBDS Derek Jeter’s gal Hannah Davis top contender for SI swimsuit issue

  69. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    hannah davis looks like she could be jeter’s sister.

  70. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    The Cuban SS is about to turn 23 so he is not governed by the international spending cap. However, it would require spending Hal’s money.

    If he has ability, and I have no idea, he seems like a great target with our SS recovering from injury and at his age. Yes, my friends, even superstars age, particularly non-PED users.

  71. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    “If he has ability, and I have no idea, he seems like a great target ”

    ?????????????????????????????????????????

  72. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Dale Murphy fell off a cliff as he lost utter control of the strike zone, swinging like Alfonso Soriano at brealking balls off the plate. I would expect better from Cano going forward.

    Jeter has a nice life.

  73. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    that can be said of any human not currently under contract to a baseball team.

  74. blake January 10th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    @YESNetwork: Mike Mussina is an ‘excellent’ Hall of Fame candidate. Do you think ‘Moose’ gets in next year? http://t.co/dGh8l1Tk

    Not 1st ballot….but i think he could eventually…..he never really felt like a HoFer to me though when watching him…..he’s a case for me where the numbers reflect better than the eyes

  75. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    personally i think jeter constantly going after the next hot model who’s 15 years younger than him is kinda sad.

  76. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    YS Guy,

    I don’t see your confusion. My point is if he is well regarded, the Yankees have no well regarded SS prospects. He might become one.

    However, my Cuban scouting is a bit weak.

  77. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    someone is going to get ripped off badly for morse and i hope its not the yankees. he’s just the hot name. and this ‘he fits them so well’ is a statistical calculation on paper that means very little on the field.
    its all based on ‘if he stays healthy’ which he has proved over and over and over that he can’t.

  78. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    morse would have been a nice pickup if they got him cheap.

    cheap left the station a few days ago.

  79. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    No one believes Mussina did PEDs. That could make him more of a Hall candidate under the theory he did well competing against the PED generation of hitters.

    Otherwise, I think he falls short.

  80. blake January 10th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Don’t you think dHing could help Morse stay healthy?

    I wouldn’t trade a ton for him and only want him if they don’t have to

  81. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    PacoDooley January 10th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Chip January 10th, 2013 at 9:30 am
    Sign Cuban SS Almadys Diaz
    ———————————————–

    I cannot see this team signing a Cuban player after they passed on some great talent (Cespedes and Soler) last year, when there was also no international spending cap.
    —————–

    Diaz doesn’t count against the International Spending Cap. That only applies to players under 23 years of age. Diaz turned 23 on Tuesday.

    Also, unlike Cespedes, Chapman or Soler – Diaz is not likely to command quite as much money. He profiles as a good hitting SS with power and a strong arm, but he’s not ML ready.

  82. blake January 10th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    “cheap left the station a few days ago.”

    Not really…..I don’t think the Nats will get a ton for him

  83. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Just had a thought –

    Right now, with no additions to the roster, the most likely DH options are Ronnier Mustellier, Russ Canzler and Eduardo Nunez. I suppose a really strong spring by David Adams could push Youk to that role.

  84. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    I do not want to give up players we will need in 2014 for Morse who will be gone leaving another hole. He is not such a boost as to significantly change the Yankee outlook. He would help, but he does get injured a ton and rarely.

    I would like to have him, but not at the expense of a a player or players we will need. Logan will be a free agent after 2013. So will Joba. Maybe one of them and a pitching prospect such as Mitchell. Probably not enough, but so be it.

    I look longer term.

  85. blake January 10th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    @craigcalcaterra: Wowzers. In 2011 Heyman said Bonds should be in the Hall and that he would not “sit in moral judgment.” http://t.co/Y76M2xwZ

  86. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    The issue for Morse coming to the Yankees won’t be compensation to Washington – I think Logan and Nunez or another minor leaguer gets it done. The issue is that Morse is due $7M next year and I’m not sure where the Yankees are with their budget. Hal takes that stuff seriously, wouldn’t let Cash sign Chavez, Ibanez and Jones until he had unloaded AJ’s contract, wouldn’t let him add Mike Cameron’s salary unless he could dump Igawa’s.

    It is possible that to get Morse he would have to unload a contract – which brings me back to a Curtis Granderson trade. Dealing Grandy for Murphy and Gallo (and possibly Gentry), frees up the money to add Morse, nets you a solid LF a good 3b prospect and if you get Gentry too – a RH utility OF.

  87. blake January 10th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    I think Hal might approve adding 7 million to the 2013 books…..they just are really trying to keep money off the 2014 payroll because they have created the narrative that they have to

  88. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Blake –

    You might be right – but in light of other budget decisions that had nothing to do with 2014 I wouldn’t be so sure.

  89. blake January 10th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    I think it’d be difficult to trade Granderson for significantly more than you give up for Morse…..but if they could for example get an Olt or a long term solution for 3B for Granderson then trade spare parts for Morse then in guess that’d be something to explore ….just not sure that’s possible

  90. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Trading Logan would save about $3M. RAB estimated they have about $3-8M left to spend this year. I think that is pure speculation, but, if true, such a trade would work financially.

  91. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Since when does Anyone compare a 2B\Cano to an OF’er\Murphy, when considering Hall enshrinement? Yea, let’s see how Biggio’s numbers stack up to Manny Ramirez. Thought so.
    I still say the Yanks would be better off just getting Soriano on-the-cheap from the Cubs, and Not getting inna bidding war over Morse. Stack Sori’s numbers vs Morse’s numbers, and you gotta TKO in RD 1. Now, if your gonna Expand the deal for Morse, then we can talk some turkey. Just Morse? NO SOAP.

  92. 86w183 January 10th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Being a DH will help ANY player stay healthy. The older he is and the longer the medical history the more being a DH would help.

    I would expect Alex to DH about half the time when he first returns, but it’s impossible to really know just how he’ll come back.

    Mussina deserves VERY strong Hall consideration. He didn’t have many “great” seasons, but he was — like Andy Pettitte — incredibly consistent. By and large his career numbers are better than Schilling’s and he spent his entire career in the toughest division in baseball.

  93. blake January 10th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    @AndrewMarchand: Some news on Nunez’ role http://t.co/wRhy48C0 Cashman changes course

    Interesting considering his bad that experiment went last year

  94. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Blake –

    Gallo is another 3b prospect in a deep Texas system. http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/m...../#list=tex

  95. 86w183 January 10th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    The price tag on Alfonso Soriano should be much lower than Morse, but unless the Cubs pick up almost all the $$$ on the contract including all the $$$ in 2014 I’m not going there.

    Right now I consider Morse to be the superior hitter.

    Unfortunately we’ll never know the truth as to what the Nationals ask(ed) for or what the Cubs are willing to do.

  96. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Blake -

    I’ve said it a bunch of times about Nunez – he should be working out in the OF – he has the speed, certainly, to cover all three spots and with his bat the Yankees wouldn’t have to entertain the notion of signing a Scott Hairston.

  97. 86w183 January 10th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    The main reason the Nunez “experiment” went bad last year was his thumb injury. If you can’t play, you can’t re-establish yourself as a SS prospect.

  98. blake January 10th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    86w183 says:
    January 10, 2013 at 10:37 am
    The main reason the Nunez “experiment” went bad last year was his thumb injury. If you can’t play, you can’t re-establish yourself as a SS prospect.

    The experiment was making him a utility guy when he can’t even play one position at a big league level…..it’s the only place he really fits though if they are going to keep him and don’t want to stick him back at AAA

  99. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    There is NO WAY I trade Nunez and Logan for Morse. I wouldn’t even deal Nunez straight-up for Morse. That’s Horrible both short and long term.

  100. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    “He could be a starting shortstop at Triple-A,” Cashman said. “He could be helping us on the big-league level. It remains to be seen how our team shakes out and how he looks in the spring.”

    LOL.. Don’t get him any time at 3B while he’s playing winter ball or anything, that would make too much sense.. just wait and see!!

  101. blake January 10th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Chip,

    Gallo is a nice upside guy but he’s not even played full season ball yet…..Id want somebody closer unless he was just a piece

  102. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    “It remains to be seen how our team shakes out and how he looks in the Spring.” That can be said about ANY player on the roster. Cashman continues to turn into the “Incredible Shrinking Man”, and we know how that movie ended.

  103. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Nunez alone is worth more than 1 year of Morse. And the Nats have a world-beater at SS anyhow.

  104. Howe Farr January 10th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    “Cashman continues to turn into the ?Incredible Shrinking Man?, and we know how that movie ended.”

    Scott Carey knows he will eventually shrink to atomic size; but, no matter how small he becomes, he concludes he will still matter in the universe and this thought gives him comfort and ends his fears of the future.

  105. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Cashman is an absolute mess. I see him continuing his poor opposite sex choices, and getting involved with “The Incredible 50 Foot Woman”.

  106. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    I’d trade a 25 year old utility player that can’t play good defense for Morse….that’s just me though

  107. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Kind of amazing. Here is a list of ESPN’s public apologies issued throughout the years: http://sportsrantz.com/media/2.....logy-list/

  108. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Interesting comments by Cashman on Nunez. It seems obvious to me he should be ready to platoon.

    He is not a DH. He can hit for a middle infielder, but look at his winter league stats and minor league stats. They are fairly pedestrian.

  109. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    @brianmctaggart: Biggio jokes: “I got a 68 and I’m going to go back and study a little harder and hopefully get a 75 next year.” #Astros

  110. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    wow, that is GREAT news! Nuney has a chance to be a major contributor this year.

  111. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Remember. That’s 1 YEAR of Morse. NO WAY I give up Nunez, for 1 YEAR of Morse.

  112. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Yea, Cashman continues spouting all kinds of Insightful information. The man is talking to himself.

  113. RadioKev January 10th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Did you know Mike Mussina was a better quality pitcher than Tom Glavine in their Age 22-39 seasons? Better ERA+, Ks, WHIP. 3 less wins than Glavine.

  114. Duh Innings II January 10th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Robinson Cano is not a Hall Of Famer as of today for these reasons:

    - He has hit more than 29 homeruns and 30+ only one year out of eight and 25 or more homeruns a year only half the time (albeit his last four seasons.)

    - He has never posted at least 30 HR and 100 RBI in a season, inexcusable for a lefthanded hitter who plays half the time in a ballpark with a short rightfield porch.

    - He has never won a major award besides a pair of Gold Gloves (four Silver Sluggers are nice but not the caliber of award as Rookie Of The Year, A.L. MVP, batting champion, or even Gold Glove.)

    - He has driven in 100+ runs only twice (a quarter of the time.) Bernie Williams drove in 100 or more runs five times and his single season high is higher than Cano’s (121 in 2000 to Cano’s 118 in 2011.)

    - He has never had a true breakout season which to me is bare minimum .320 BA, .400 OBP, 35 HR, and 120 RBI. Bernie Williams had a 2000 season only 5 HR and 13 BA points shy of meeting that that criteria as he met the RBI criteria with 121.

    Historically recent times Hall Of Fame second basemen have declined after age 33: Joe Morgan, Ryne Sandberg, Roberto Alomar, Rod Carew (Carew’s decline was in games played as he was still an excellent .300+ hitter after 33.) Cano is already 30.

    ‘Say Cano has three more seasons like he’s had 2009-12 then declines. Eleven very good seasons is not enough to get him into the HOF, especially if he doesn’t win a batting title or an ALMVP, and winning just one of either won’t get him into the HOF.

    I think Cano will need to win two MVPs and a batting title or two batting titles and an MVP. When will he perform at that level? If he doesn’t do that he is nothing more than an infield version of Bernie Williams: a very good player but not a HOF. Bernie won a batting title in 1998. Bernie also had an eight-year stretch 1995-2002 hands down better than Cano’s 2005-12 where, again, he drove in 100 or more runs five times, 94 or more runs seven times, hit .328 or better four times, and hit over .300 every year.

    The Yanks should offer Cano 4 years and $88M ($22M a year, a mil shy of CC’s annual salary 2009-15) on the premise that he is not as valuable as or more valuable than Sabathia which he is not and A-Rod’s decline began at 35. If Sabathia had a 2013-killing injury today, the 2013 Yankees would not make the postseason. If Cano had one, the 2013 Yanks could still make the postseason or have a better chance to make it without Cano than Sabathia as it’s easier to acquire an All-Star secondbasemen’s production than it is to acquire an ace.

    Also, Williams’s decline began in his age 34 season, Jeter’s worst season was his age 36 season, and Mattingly retired after his age 34 season. So no more than four years to Cano because he is not Williams, Jeter, Mattingly, or A-Rod.

  115. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    DONNYBROOK says:
    January 10, 2013 at 11:07 am
    Remember. That’s 1 YEAR of Morse. NO WAY I give up Nunez, for 1 YEAR of Morse.

    That’s fine….but I’m not sure Nunie will ever have a real role with the Yanks

  116. RadioKev January 10th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Mussina’s got all those Gold Gloves too ;)

  117. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    I doubt they would trade Numez until they see Jeter on the field and moving okay. Otherwise, Nix is the only other option.

  118. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    “Oddly enough, this was retweeted by Heyman… the guy who used the absolute worst logic of the bunch.”

    Weasel see, weasel do.

  119. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    @MLBNetwork: Who is the #MLBNHotStove Face of the @Yankees? Vote today using #FaceofYankees.

    Does this question really need asking?

  120. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    “@AndrewMarchand: Some news on Nunez’ role http://t.co/wRhy48C0 Cashman changes course”

    Cashman stole my post! (If he is on the ML roster, it has to be his role.)

  121. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    I need JF today… George R.R. Martin released a sample chapter of his next book. Unfortunately, I didn’t know he already released another one previously and I can’t find the text since he replaced the old one with the new one.

    Dude’s website is a disaster zone, btw.

  122. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    @MLBNetwork: Who is the #MLBNHotStove Face of the @Yankees? Vote today using #FaceofYankees.

    Does this question really need asking?

    —————-

    It’s obviously David DeJesus.

  123. Jerkface January 10th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4uB5dqTYBLwOVFZS19RLTFFbDA/view?pli=1&sle=true

    All the preview chapters in order. Im pretty sure GRRM is still using geocities or something.

  124. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Whether Nunez has a “role” or not is immaterial. Just like a Vette that is garaged. He has value even when in idle.

  125. Jerkface January 10th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    @MLBNetwork: Who is the #MLBNHotStove Face of the @Yankees? Vote today using #FaceofYankees.

    Does this question really need asking?

    The Marlins one was funny. Since they did put most of the replies which garnered a high enough % on TV, so a few ‘Faces of the Marlins’ were: Dinger Machine & Toronto Blue Jays

  126. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    “It’s obviously David DeJesus.”

    That’s just the face of Lohud

  127. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Ahhh.. never mind, I found the text for any Games of Thrones fans: http://www.ign.com/boards/thre.....207815997/

  128. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Ask for JF and he shall appear

  129. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    The face of the marlins should be an empty seat

  130. Mike Ri January 10th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    The face of the marlins should be an empty seat

    —–

    lol lol lol

  131. Tackelberry January 10th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:03 am
    I’d trade a 25 year old utility player that can’t play good defense for Morse….that’s just me though

    ____________________________________

    Thats why you’re not a GM

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 10th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Against All Odds January 9th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    blake January 9th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    “Oh players from the PED era will get in…at least 3 will next year ….”

    ———————

    :D

    Against, I wasn’t thinking that no players from the steroid era would ever be inducted into the HOF. I’m not sure anyone else was thinking that either. There are some great names coming up on next year’s ballot. I just found it totally UNsurprising that this year’s vote went the way it did, given the overall explosive nature. I totally believe the ship will right itself next year.

    **************

    Very interesting juxtposition, Chad. I happen to believe Robby’s terrible treatment at the ASG had more of an effect on him than people realize. He went from being a pretty revered/respected player to being treated like a pariah. It’s obvious that Robby is a sensitive kid. Remember how it bothered him when Yankee fans said he was lazy. He talked about that for a while, and you could hear the hurt in his voice and see it in his eyes during his interview. I don’t think Robby has a tough skin, the way Boomer had a tough skin. I don’t think Robby’s skills have dimished as much as his self-confidence may have. He smiled through the booing at the ASG but later talked about how terrible his family was treated and how it bothered him.

    It’s easy to always look at players as nothing more than a compilation of numbers, but it’s a mistake to ignore exactly who is underneath those numbers. I tend to take the holistic approach to these things. I don’t think it’s a big mistake to do so.

    Now do I think that Robby can’t bounce back? Not at all. I think a new season will help him to put things in the rear-view mirror. My GUESS is that Robby will continue that have an HOF-type career and that he will be back to form in 2013. Here’s hoping that I’m right!

    :)

  133. tucker January 10th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Thought it was a solid post by Chad. The numbers are eerily similar, and Cano’s HOF chances will be determined over the course of the next 5-7 years. Keep in mind Cano is playing in an era where many second basemen are more productive than center fielders (Kinsler, Pedroia, Utley, etc.). Cano is the best, but he will be measured against his peers, too. So he needs to remain the best.

    As far as fans skipping the Stadium to watch the Yanks on their own plasma TVs and big screens, that is possible for some or even many fans. But how does that explain why YES ratings have dipped the past two years? Another explanation is the team is just not as exciting to watch, and people don’t want to pay premium ticket prices and an increasing number of fans don’t want to commit the time to watch a 3-hour game. Not when the young, dynamic players like Cespedes, etc. are playing elsewhere.

  134. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    3\31\13

  135. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Jerkface January 10th, 2013 at 11:16 am

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4uB5dqTYBLwOVFZS19RLTFFbDA/view?pli=1&sle=true

    All the preview chapters in order. Im pretty sure GRRM is still using geocities or something.

    ——————

    Thanks JF!! I knew you’d have a link lol.

    His website is a hot mess. It’s almost like the guy has no money lol.

  136. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    “Thats why you’re not a GM”

    Uh huh….thanks for your opinion

  137. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    86w183 January 10th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    The main reason the Nunez “experiment” went bad last year was his thumb injury. If you can’t play, you can’t re-establish yourself as a SS prospect.
    —————–

    The main reason the Nunez experiment went bad last year was because Nunez is a bad defensive infielder.

    The Yankees tried to keep him at SS only because they figured keeping him at one spot might allow him to play better and thus up his trade value (much like the decision to keep Montero behind the plate) but he’s no better at SS than he is at 2b or 3b. Move him to the OF and you might have something.

  138. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Ask for JF and he shall appear

    —————-

    I’m gonna start trying to summon JF randomly now and see what happens ;)

    Thanks again JF!

  139. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    “Thats why you’re not a GM”

    Yeah, the team is in such good hands with the present one.

  140. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Blake -

    Maybe Gallo, Murphy and 2b Leury Garcia – could be a valuable guy to have if Cano walks.

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 10th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    And speaking of an holistic approach, as we approach a new season we’re still left without additional instant replay and we’re still left with home-plate umpires who can’t call games correctly. Oftentimes I think the composition of the Yankee team is the least of our worries!

    :evil:

  142. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    @craigcalcaterra

    Great long read on the culture of steroids in baseball and how it was allowed and encouraged to flourish. http://bit.ly/10ifZfI

  143. Tackelberry January 10th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:23 am
    “Thats why you’re not a GM”

    Uh huh….thanks for your opinion

    ________________________________

    Morse is a gold glover on defense? NUnez is young, has a chance to get better with more experience, and is a very good hitter Morse is already 30, and not likely to improve defensively. If I’m giving up Nunez, its got to be for someone better than Morse. But thats just me.

  144. austinmac January 10th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Shame,

    Does JF appear from a lamp when you beckon?

  145. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    I don’t think Robby has a tough skin, the way Boomer had a tough skin. I don’t think Robby’s skills have dimished as much as his self-confidence may have.

    —————–

    If that’s the case they really shouldn’t resign him this off season.. can’t imagine he’d perform well in the final years of his deal when he’s eating up a ton of our budget but well past his prime. He’ll be hearing it from the home stands at that point.

  146. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    “But thats just me.”

    You can give your opinion without offering an insult with it you know

  147. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    @CC_Sabathia

    Let’s give away another autographed ball: PLEASE RETWEET this to enter to win this signed ball. #MLB13CC http://buff.ly/VQTKXl

    ————–

    CC is campaigning harder than the presidential nominees!!

  148. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    And no morse isn’t a good defender

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 10th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I’m don’t think the hit to his self-confidence is permanent. But I think next season will tell us a lot about where Robby’s skills are.

    I do understand your point though.

  150. Against All Odds January 10th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    I just found it totally UNsurprising that this year’s vote went the way it did, given the overall explosive nature

    ——————

    True

    But we wouldn’t even be discussing it if guys like Bagwell and Piazza got in.

  151. RadioKev January 10th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:29 am
    I don’t think Robby has a tough skin, the way Boomer had a tough skin. I don’t think Robby’s skills have dimished as much as his self-confidence may have.

    —————–

    If that’s the case they really shouldn’t resign him this off season.. can’t imagine he’d perform well in the final years of his deal when he’s eating up a ton of our budget but well past his prime. He’ll be hearing it from the home stands at that point.
    ———–

    I think Cano’s personality was defined by that Home Run Derby. He’s a good guy, likes to have fun and be liked, but when the pressure is really on…

  152. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    FWIW – Heyman said last night that he will vote for Bonds, Clemens and Piazza next year; he just felt that due to the cheating (or spectre of cheating) they didn’t deserve first ballot.

  153. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Why would they put a non ace on the cover of a video game?

  154. Chip January 10th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    And no morse isn’t a good defender
    ———————-

    Don’t need to be a good defender at DH.

  155. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 10th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    In George’s day I saw a lot more of the “being in pinstripes” forever than I do now. At least that’s the way it feels. There’s not a question – well let me say again it feels that way to me – that we’re in a different modality from the George days. I have no pulse whatsoever on what that modality is. I don’t know if the organization knows what it is.

  156. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    He was probably trying to do too much last year.. that’s the only explanation I can come up with for his splits.

    I’d like to see him correct it this season so we know we aren’t potentially resigning a guy that’s regressing versus LHP.

    AAO – I’m still shocked at Piazza… and I NEVER liked Piazza, personally. His eyebrow situation always rubbed me wrong, but I know manscaping is important for the Eye-talian males. I just always loved rooting against him…. probably because he was so good. I never thought I’d be defending the guy.

  157. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    This is Exactly why Cano will Never be “the face of the franchise” and should NOT be signed for 7yrs, (or whatever), at $25 Mill per. TRADE the man.

  158. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    I think Cano’s personality was defined by that Home Run Derby. He’s a good guy, likes to have fun and be liked, but when the pressure is really on…

    ——————-

    Don’t say that Kev!!! Don’t! My heart can’t take it.. I can’t watch Robbie smile 162 days out of the year if he’s in Dodgers blue..

  159. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Why would they put a non ace on the cover of a video game?

    —————–

    Does anyone else not like it when CC loses weight?

    Personally, I think his consumption of Cap’n'Crunch is comparable to Popeye’s consumption of spinach…..

  160. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    FWIW – Heyman said last night that he will vote for Bonds, Clemens and Piazza next year; he just felt that due to the cheating (or spectre of cheating) they didn’t deserve first ballot.
    _

    One of those is not like the others.

  161. Shame Spencer January 10th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Let’s play another round of Hughes or Cano!

    This is gonna be a fun game to play all season.. who would you rather sign IF you had to pick one (Team Greedy obviously wants both): Hughes or Cano?

  162. Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    cano is going to win the MVP this year.

  163. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 10th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    “True

    But we wouldn’t even be discussing it if guys like Bagwell and Piazza got in.

    Yeah, I see them as casualties of a very tentative voting season based on all of the other stuff. I’ll be honest. I don’t know enough about first-round balloting to know what kinds of numbers are the norm – if there is such a thing. And I don’t know enough about Bagwell’s career to know whether he’s an HOF person in terms of his numbers. If both “should” have made it this year, hopefully both will make it next year.

  164. Against All Odds January 10th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    AAO – I’m still shocked at Piazza… and I NEVER liked Piazza, personally. His eyebrow situation always rubbed me wrong, but I know manscaping is important for the Eye-talian males. I just always loved rooting against him…. probably because he was so good. I never thought I’d be defending the guy.

    ———————–

    I’m surprised he didn’t get in either

    I enjoyed watching Piazza play of course this was before my dislike for the Mets grew to an insane level.

  165. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    “This is gonna be a fun game to play all season.. who would you rather sign IF you had to pick one (Team Greedy obviously wants both): Hughes or Cano.”

    Price (and years) matter.

  166. Tackelberry January 10th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Chip January 10th, 2013 at 11:36 am
    blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    And no morse isn’t a good defender
    ———————-

    Don’t need to be a good defender at DH.

    _____________________________

    No reason to tradea guy like Nunez for him then either. Logan and B prospect is enough. Even Buster Olney said that other GMs are telling Rizzo not to expect much in return for Morse

  167. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    “Don’t need to be a good defender at DH.”

    Nope

  168. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Ys Guy says:
    January 10, 2013 at 11:42 am
    cano is going to win the MVP this year.

    Might be better if he just had a good Cano season….winning the mvP only makes him cost more

  169. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Cashman running the pump-and-dump on Nunez on ESPN. Very telling. I’m 74% certain Cashman is shopping him but I will add that he’s unlikely to move Nunez. His value to the Yankees given the Jeter situation is high.

  170. Rich in NJ January 10th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    It would suck if Cano wins the MVP.

  171. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Piazza is Certainly HOF worthy, but when his named is mentioned, my mind’s eye Always sees him in the dirt, courtesy of Roger Clemens.

  172. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:48 am

    “No reason to tradea guy like Nunez for him then either. Logan and B prospect is enough. Even Buster Olney said that other GMs are telling Rizzo not to expect much in return for Morse”

    Nunez was a B prospect….if he’s not a long term answer at SS or 3B then he’s expendable

  173. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    @keithlaw: Unsure. RT @lonestarball: Elvis is supposedly asking for $18M per year for 7 years to buy out his free agent years. Would you pay him that?

    He’d only be like 30 at the end of that deal

  174. DONNYBROOK January 10th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    To classify Nunez assa “B prospect”, is Most puzzling. Perhaps a mind-meld would shed some light on this. …………………………….Disturbing. EXTREMELY Disturbing.

  175. blake January 10th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Nunez was a B prospect…..not sure how you could classify him as anything else….he’s no longer a prospect

  176. FiretheUMPIRE January 10th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Obviously Elvis Andrus is addicted to crack cocaine. But that kind of scratch boosts the value of shortstops around the league. Nunez can run and hit as well as Andrus. Stinks with the glove but still his value is higher than the casual fan suspects in my opinion.

  177. blake January 10th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    “. Nunez can run and hit as well as Andrus”

    Andrus is two years younger than Nunez and hit .286 in the big leagues with gold glove defense…

    Nunez has a sub .700 career OPS in the minors and is a nightmare defensively…..they aren’t close
    To comparable players

  178. blake January 10th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Saying Nunez can run as well as Andrus is like saying Nova can throw as hard as Felix Hernandez….that one thing may be true but it really doesn’t matter

  179. blake January 10th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    The value of defense at SS is the difference in Towers asking for Andrus as a centerpiece for Justin Upyon vs Nunez not even being a thought…..unless he was the 3rd or 4th player in the deal most likely

  180. ajr91205 January 10th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    Cano is an outstanding player. I believe that he will definitely continue to perform up to his current standards for years to come. I remember watching Cano when he first came up to the majors, and he has really grown since then. The world series championship and postseason experience is what sets him apart from Murphy, but they are very similar. Barring any serious injury that Cano could face, he will be in the league for many years and will continue to make an impact.


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