Thursday night notes and links: Dinner with Bernie (for a good cause)
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 10, 2013 
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Here’s a good cause and a cool opportunity.
The 11th annual Hillside Food Outreach Gala will be held January 26 in Danbury, Conn. The event will be hosted by Bernie Williams with special guest David Cone. Tim Raines and Cecil Fielder are among the other guest scheduled to attend, and my good friend Sweeny Murti will once again serve as the MC.
Hillside Food Outreach works to provide food to those in need throughout Westchester County, Putnam County and Western Connecticut. Williams has been involved with the organization for more than a decade, and as a guitarist, he always performs at the annual gala (including a performance a few years ago with a 9-year-old girl named Carly Rose Sonenclar, who’s now 13 and just finished second on The X-Factor).
This year’s gala will include dinner, a lively Q&A session — Sweeny promises it will be lively — as well as silent and live auctions featuring memorabilia and other unique items.
Tickets available at hillsidefoodoutreach.org or by calling (914) 747-0095.
As for some notes from today…
• Speaking at the owners meetings in Arizona, Hal Steinbrenner said today that there’s been “no real, significant dialogue” about a contract extension with Robinson Cano.
• If you missed it earlier: Brian Costa has more of Steinbrenner’s comments from the owners meetings, including this response when asked about signing Joe Girardi to an extension before his deal expires at the end of the year: “I’m not a big believer in extensions,” Steinbrenner said. “There’s exceptions to every rule, but I’m just not a big believer in extensions. I’m worried about this year. He’s not the only guy who’s coming up, obviously. I’m focusing on 2013, as I should.”
• Jack Curry says that Yogi Berra is seriously considering joining Twitter. Amazing.
• Former Yankees prospect Eric Hacker — traded to Pittsburgh for Romulo Sanchez — is on the verge of signing with a team in Korea.
• A couple of other short-term Yankees have signed minor league deals elsewhere. Ross Ohlendorf — who, like Hacker, was traded to Pittsburgh — has signed with the Nationals. Darnell McDonald, who got into four games with the Yankees last season, signed with the Cubs.
Associated Press photo
“Seattle says “Hey, we’ll make the last year of your contract a player option, so you hit free agency a year sooner”, and they probably have themselves a deal.”
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i doubt the union would allow this as it would lower the guaranteed money in the deal.
Player options are guaranteed years
I think the players union would consider it, especially if the team kicked in a buyout.
Union would totally do that, the problem is MLB would probably not do that.
blake says:
January 10, 2013 at 9:33 pm
“If Seattle makes it worth his while, why not? No trades aren’t about not going to bad teams, there about leverage. Maybe Upton’s agent knew what he was doing when he changed the teams in his LTC to include Seattle.”
I think a lot of no trades are about leverage….this one I bet is about Safeco and Upton not wanting to go to the land where hitters die at age 25…..my guess is they’d REALLY have to make it worth his while
Tim Raines is on my team now, and Cecil Fielder was before he became great ( there just wasn’t room here )
I Don’t belive that Upton is going to the M’s.
He’ll have other options.
Better ones.
The contracts are crazy, the players should compete for more incentives, and then, get a real job when things don’t work out ( what we all have to do )
id give ariz one of heathcott, williams or austin plus nova, adams and another b prospect for upton no more.
if that’s not enough, adios.
Ys, how dare you give austin away !
@BNightengale: The #dbacks offered Upton to #rangers on Thu before proposed #mariners trade but price too steep
@Evan_P_Grant: Hearing Rangers don’t expect to re-engage Arizona after Upton rejected Seattle deal. Rangers made final offer before Seattle deal; moving on
but id have to get some inside info on whether upton has an attitude problem or not. if he does, then i dont even give them that much.
i think nova is very valueable to the yankees plans for the next few years. i dont give him up easily.
@BNightengale: The #braves still make most sense for Upton to reunite w Bro
Sooner or later the Snakes will find a match.
” blake January 10th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
@Evan_P_Grant: Hearing Rangers don’t expect to re-engage Arizona after Upton rejected Seattle deal. Rangers made final offer before Seattle deal; moving on
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this probably means texas is preparing a new offer.
MTU says:
January 10, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Sooner or later the Snakes will find a match.
Sounds like its Braves or mystery team
Baseball classic has to be played mid season with everything on the line – Bobby Orr concurs!!!!!! – show ‘em what you’ve got.
j r asserting himself again!
Without Andrus or Profar…. Texas can’t offer that much….they can make a good offer but not an unbeatable one.
I think the Braves probably have the inside track now if they’ll part with Teheran
Bobby Orr played in ’76 for free BTW ( just wanted to convec vs the Russians. )
Hal’s comments probably tell us they are not dealing top prospects as he insists they must be ready to help at low cost. He isn’t giving up that hope for Upton or anyone else.
Bobby Orr turned defense into offence ( obvious ) – a true quarterback.
After being MVP in the international ’76 Canada Cup, Orr played 10 final games avec the Hawks ( I think he scored twice )
Blake-
Upton would look good in most team’s outfields.
“Lost” never checked back with anything so I have to guess he either didn’t catch any news or the Yankees are just not interested.
I’m sure JU would love to be reunited with his Bro. Who wouldn’t ?
@mlbbowman: If Braves made an offer similar to one SEA made for Upton it would likely include Teheran or Delgado,JV or EOF, Ahmed and Gearrin.
Agreed
I think it’d have to be Teheran though instead of Delgado
blake January 10th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
@DCameronFG: According to @ScottMCBS, M’s offer was something like one of Walker/Hultzen/Paxton, then Franklin, Furbush, and Pryor. Sounds about right
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This is like Gary Sanchez + Mason Williams + Mark Montgomery + David Robertson. I’m not even sure that’s an equivalent. I wouldn’t do it.
MTU January 10th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
AAO-
They didn’t even talk to Upton. That was my point.
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How could they not even talk to him. They want him gone that bad lol.
Orr,……. just wanted to play
MTU,
If Towers likes Teheran then Id say that’s got a good chance to happen
He isn’t giving up that hope for Upton or anyone else.
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You heard Hal we signed 3-4 big free agents.
Squat-
No it isn’t.
There was a starter invovled coming from the M’s side. A Good one.
Your deal has none.
@BNightengale: Upton was never going to #Mariners so talks made no swnse
We can’t have a real baseball classic, ’cause powers that be, don’t want somebody’s arm to fall off !
blake-
Upton squared has a nice ring to it. At least for Braves fans.
“You heard Hal we signed 3-4 big free agents.”
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do kuroda pettitte and rivera NOT count as 3 big free agents?
“This is like Gary Sanchez + Mason Williams + Mark Montgomery + David Robertson. I’m not even sure that’s an equivalent. I wouldn’t do it.”
Don’t know if it’s quite that much….but it’s gonna hurt to get him for sure
Shut the season down 3 weeks every Bobby Orr 4 years and let’s get it on, July.
MTU, I know there was a starter, the Yankees can’t match that. Sanchez is the highest ranked player in the system which is why I included him instead.
And I wouldn’t even do that.
Simmons SS
Prado 3B
Heyward RF
J Upton LF
McCann C
B Upton CF
Freeman 1B
Uggla 2B
Pitcher
That’s probably the best lineup in the NL
Blake, Bill Freehan was a Tiger’s catcher? – yes
Squat-
I wouldn’t do that one either. It’s not really equivalent because of the mix involved.
The only arms we could offer are guys like Nova/Phelps, or guys like Banuelos or Betances.
They may not be good enough in Tower’s eyes.
I believe so yes…why?
My starter is Fergie, and my closer is John Hiller.
Montgomery would probably be enticing to Towers
Bill Freehan was an accomplished defender.
freehan was a very solid catcher, caught 155 games on the 68 WS team. a real good player as i recall.
Blake-
Depends if he is looking for a potential closer.
Braves have some relievers they could offer too.
Towers is always looking for relievers
Blake-
Braves can offer some good ones too.
Suppose they offered Venters.
Yea they could offer Venters….Venters has some health questions though. I think if the braves want him they can probably get him now
No team should expect to get Upton w/o some sacrifice.
Nova, Montgomery and Austin for Upton
Is that enough?
jr1212 says:
January 10, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Nova, Montgomery and Austin for Upton
Is that enough?”
I think it could be….probably would take more but just depends on how Towers likes those 3 guys and what other teams offer
“Nova, Montgomery and Austin for Upton”
Not likely enough.
@jcrasnick: One executive says #mariners were “clearly overpaying” for Upton and are “fortunate” trade with #dbacks fell through.
Sets the market though and price should be lower
Blake-
If Upton gets back to what he’s capable of that’s no overpay IMO.
Guess you have to believe in his cieling. That executive clearly doesn’t.
@DCameronFG: Overrating of pitching prospects continues. RT @jcrasnick: One executive says #mariners were “clearly overpaying” for Upton.
@DCameronFG: If M’s had offered three young hitters and one arm to ARZ, I might agree that it was too much. Given how often arms bust, though…
Blake-
I’d have to agree with Cameron.
MTU,
I do as well….thought it was a pretty fair offer….but if the industry sees that as an over pay it can only help the other teams trying to trade for him
Do the M’s plan to compete in the next 3 years? If not, it doesn’t make sense to trade away top prospects, especially for a guy that will cost 14+ mil in 2014/15.
Seems Kevin Towers grew sick and tired of Morse in the news. What timing…
Blake-
One anonymous Executive is not the “Industry”.
Upton isn’t chopped liver, and he shouldn’t be painted that way.
We’ll just have to see who they get for him.
Have a good night.
jacksquat says:
January 10, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Do the M’s plan to compete in the next 3 years? If not, it doesn’t make sense to trade away top prospects, especially for a guy that will cost 14+ mil in 2014/15.
Could say the same thing for why they are hanging on the Felix….I guess they think they can
“One anonymous Executive is not the “Industry”.”
Fair point
squat-
Upton’s cieling is Superstar.
And he is only 25.
If you believe in that cieling you open the vault.
And if he achieves that cieling he’s easily worth that 14 mil.
“Darnell McDonald, who got into four games with the Yankees last season, signed with the Cubs.”
But I thought we were really going to enjoy watching him play because of all the excitement he was going to add to the club.
Darn! Darn, you cut that hair all for nothing.
Down goes Arizona.
That is one sweet looking court that Oregon plays on.
Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
“You heard Hal we signed 3-4 big free agents.”
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do kuroda pettitte and rivera NOT count as 3 big free agents?
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“We’ve signed three or four of the biggest free agents on the market.We’re pretty happy with that. It’s great to have Andy (Pettite) back and (Hiroki) Kuroda and Ichiro (Suzuki). (Kevin) Youkilis”
Were they 3 or 4 of the biggest free agents on the market?
“Upton’s cieling is Superstar.
And he is only 25.”
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…but his performance the past 3 years is an OPS of about .830.
obviously, the team that knows him best doesnt think he’s gonna reach that cieling.
maybe they are wrong. maybe not.
Youk’s was the biggest free agent melon on the market.
“Were they 3 or 4 of the biggest free agents on the market?
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mariano rivera was left out. with that addition the answer in unquestionably yes.
now that should be balanced with the fact that they had 5 premiere players who bacame free agents (if you count soriano).
but the answer to that question is yes.
obviously, the team that knows him best doesnt think he’s gonna reach that cieling.
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That is non-obvious actually, as trading a player doesn’t have to do with believing in ceiling potential.
Did the Rangers not believe in Mark Teixeira?
if they thought he was going to be a superstar, they would not have traded him. same goes for arizona and upton.
Tex was pretty much already a superstar. They knew they were going to be unable to retain him. Upton is getting expensive, had ownership call him out publicly for having a down year as a 22 year old, and is incredibly valuable on the trade market.
His performance is uneven but he is entering his prime and is 1 season removed from a .900 OPS.
Ys Guy January 10th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
“Were they 3 or 4 of the biggest free agents on the market?
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mariano rivera was left out. with that addition the answer in unquestionably yes.
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I would disagree.
Maybe they don’t really know Upton as well as they think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNlz5P2pbk8
look at this year’s FA class and how do you not count kuroda rivera, pettitte and /or youkilis as 3 of the biggest FA’s?
I think the situation with Upton starter two years ago when Towers floated his name at the winter meetings…. Probably upset a young Upton and things have just devolved from there now reaching critical mass as he’s starting to make more money.
ATL did… but that such a moot point. 1. the team that the player is currently on might not know that player the best due poor evaluator 2. it only matters if that evaluation is on point in the future.
in yanks or another other team’s case, that will ultimately prove by facts in the future. but whomever is right or wrong will pay the price for it either way, that is, if he is ultimately traded for a premium package.
I’d give you Kuroda.
Hal is making it seem like they went big game hunting and had to entice guys to come back.
look at this year’s FA class and how do you not count kuroda rivera, pettitte and /or youkilis as 3 of the biggest FA’s?
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Because none of them are named Hamilton, Swisher, or Greinke. Kuroda is 1. But Rivera barely qualified as a free agent, and certainly not the biggest one. you only think that because of sentimentality. He is over 40 coming back from reconstructive knee surgery. Pettitte is also old & busted. Youkilis was such a big FA that no one wanted him.
“look at this year’s FA class and how do you not count kuroda rivera, pettitte and /or youkilis as 3 of the biggest FA’s?”
Youkallis is not….he’s not even top 10….and re-signing your own players a year older doesn’t really improve the team
‘biggest’ is a very loose term. you can argue who was a better FA but the yankees did sign 3 of the biggest.
now i pointed out that they lost 5 if you count soriano. note that if you count kuroda, pettitte, swisher, rivera and soriano as 4 of the ‘biggest’ FA’s then by definition, they signed at least 3 of the ‘biggest’ FA’s.
re-signing your own players a year older doesn’t really improve the team
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i would add the qualifier that all three were over 35.
I think the Yanks additions and subtraction a come out a net loss to this point… Cash still has time to change that
Night all
the point is this, by signing these guys yanks secure a competitive team. but imo, they are worse than they were ly. also,imo, ly’s team was not a championship caliber team, hence i deduce this one won’t be either.
so… i will continue watch yankees baseball of course, I just don’t think this is a championship caliber as it currently stands.
whether the players were the yankees free agents does not change whether hal’s statement was correct.
and in the interest of accuracy while i pointed out that he was correct, i also pointed out that they lost 5.
Hal’s statement was only correct if you consider like the majority of free agents to be ‘the biggest free agents’.
I’ve never heard anyone question Upton’s skills ever, there are questions about his heart / tude but Gibson is old school and he loves the guy so who really knows. The one guy I know who shares the same clubhouse swears by the guy. I don’t see him as a franchise cornerstone guy though
The only person I’ve ever seen question Upton’s will/heart is the Dbacks managing partner.
so pat, would you go austin, williams, nova, and adams for upton? (blake asked this question in the last post)
Night Blake
Hal couldn’t added that the Yanks signed all of their arb-eligible players, which no other team can say.
Anyway they could replace Williams without subbing in Heathcott and still get it done?
Ys Guy……If I knew Pineda is good to go in June I’d be all over it. Then again Phelps looks like he’s ready so I’d make the deal
Hal could’ve added, that is. He gets mixed up sometimes too.
i think i have a lower expectation that upton will reach his cieling and a higher expectation of nova than some do. i’d want to give a little less for upton.
i do think that upton is a good bust-out candidate for this year, but idk that he’s worth all that.
ODDS TO WIN 2013 WORLD SERIES
Team Odds
Detroit Tigers 7/1
Los Angeles Dodgers 7/1
Los Angeles Angels 7/1
Washington Nationals 8/1
Toronto Blue Jays 10/1
New York Yankees 12/1
Vegas future odds as of today.
Pat M, if you care for a friendly wager. I would give you 2-1 odds on 6 wins for Pineda in 13. I will take the under.
In an ideal world, but one that is limited by austerity, I would keep all their top prospects and let them rebuild. But I can’t see them being that patient with more than one, possibly two players at a time, if that. So what’s the point of keeping them all. I hope they self-scout better than they did with AJack.
The other reason not to trade for Upton is if they have a reasonable basis for believing that they would have a very good chance to trade for Stanton after the season, when their prospects will probably have more value, possibly a lot more.
Wow, it’s been decades since the Yankees were that far down the list of Vegas favorites to win the WS. At worst, they are top 3.
I just hope they don’t rush Pineda. Even more than the trade, having him continue to compete for a spot in the rotation despite the low velo and being shut down with pain and weakness in the shoulder, was incredibly hard to justify.
good points Rich. though in my dream scenario 2, both steins are suspended in extorting Arod whom then beat up Cashman for messin with his boo. Gene Michael assuming the reign again for 5 vacuum years of player developments.
My book has the Yanks at 15-1.
I’m putting down $28 to win $420.
Cash
I give you credit for optimism…
At this point, I would rather have someone younger than Stick, specifically Friedman or Dombrowski.
It’s funny. People who knew me on other Yankee boards some years ago, would remember me as being a staunch supporter of Cashman (especially in relation to Torre).
So I am one of the people he fooled.
Or you’ve swung too far to the other extreme to over-correct for what you now think was a previous error.
Nah, I change as facts change.
But facts aren’t the same as opinions.
Night everyone
rich, win or lose, I will always be a Yankee fan. you can give me credit for being delusional
. Stick is probably little too old at this point. When it comes to it, i want the best personnel for my team. Cashman is certainly not the worse gm, he simply isn’t the best imo. that is my take in short.
*worst.
Nick, 15-1 seem to be smart gamble on your part. i really don’t gamble on sports much
but i probably take that bet. I would go with a C note. anywho, good night all.
I like going with $28 to win title #28 and of course the number 420 speaks for itself.
“But facts aren’t the same as opinions.”
It’s a fact that:
1) He hasn’t made a trade for a front of the rotation starter for over a decade despite the need.
2) He said, after gaining power over the mL system at the beginning of 2006, that they would no longer have to sign other team’s expensive free agents especially in the rotation.
3) Yet he hasn’t developed any front of the rotation starters to this point so he keeps having to sign expensive free agents.
4) Moving toward that goal, he gave Joba, IPK, Hughes a month, as a group, to prove themselves, and then abandoned that goal.
Opinion:
He has become a risible and defensive figure, like when he says that people say that they hate HR, and they will now get their wish.
He’s prattling about pitching holding the keys to the kingdom, when it seems apparent that balance wins.
His insistence that he is just following Stick’s model (power/patience), yet I don’t recall the low AVG hitters that Stick kept adding just because they hit HR and drew walks.
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We agree Cash. He’s average at best, but has been here waaaay too long.
GN
It sounds like you won the 420 without risking the 28.
Just kidding, but I don’t consider my 12:33 a.m. theory disproven despite the opinions you just posted as facts.
Ahem
I keep repeating myself. All transmission – no reception – must be atmospherics.
The draft and Latin America were put on budgets while other teams expanded the over slot pick and signs. This forced Oppenheimer and co to draft HS players which effectively subtracted two years of development.
Not to mention a bad luck gamble, name of Cole.
Oh and by the way
BA ranks the Yankees as number 11, this with Betances, Banuelos and Campos blowing up.
David Aardsma ?@TheDA53
Upton missed out big time not going to Seattle, great city, great fans. #doesntknowwhatheismissing
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Always liked David
Seattle is great for pitchers ….worst for hitters though
If I was 25 year old Justin Upton and knew I was going to be a FA at 28 in 3 years……I wouldn’t want to go to a park that’s going to suppress my numbers either…..
Question of the morning….. Knowing now what Seattle was going to give for Upton…..do you call up Seattle and see what they’d give for Cano?
I’m still kinda ticked off about Bernie only getting 3% of the vote.
In a system where Andre Dawson, Jim Rice, and Kirby Puckett are HOFers…..and Bernie doesn’t even get 5% ..:.something is wrong:
Blake-
Good morning.
Could be many reasons Upton would not want to play in Seattle.
He put them on his his no-trade. That wasn’t just about money.
To me he’s a classic change-of-scenery guy with huge upside.
Doesn’t seem like the Yankees want to take a shot at him.
No one is getting a bargain on a guy like JU.
Blake-
If we had JU we could offer Seattle Granderson.
Cano is not going anywhere IMO.
If Seattle would gimmi one of Walker/Hultzen and nick Franklin for Cano then man Id have to think about that…..
MTu,
I know…..just speaking hypothetically.
And yea they could try and get something for Grandy if they had Upton.
It’s pretty clear Upton is getting traded…. Seems like it’s down to the Braves or mystery team…..maybe the yanks are it….doubt if but ya never know
morning guys.
i don’t think the seattle offer for JU affects the yankees thinking on cano.
if they didn’t intend to sign him, we would have heard trade rumors by now.
i can’t imagine they intend to let cano walk away for nothing.
so the only conclusion i can take from this is that they intend to sign cano
and the seattle offer isn’t going to change that.
Doubt Seattle would give for Cano what they offered for Upton cause he’ll be a FA at the end of the year….but Cano is a better player now and I’d just be curious to see what they’d give.
I’ve heard Jack Z mention Cano in interviews before when asked about Felix…..like saying “teams are offering us Robbie Cano etc”
The Seattle paper is not sure the trade is dead. We shall see.
The Yankees are evidently “not alive” for Morse and have never been mentioned with respect to Upton. So, Hal, where is the bat coming from? I hope it is better than Hairston and his one semi-good year.
The Arizona paper mentions Texas and Atlanta as other possibilities. No one but us mentions the Yankees. I don’t think Hal would permit taking on his contract.
I think I will now change my references from 2014 to post-2013 as the budget is permanent.
I also believe the Yankees will make very effort to sign Cano.
Whether they can come to terms or not is another matter.
No question in my mind a strong offer will be presented.
I just hope it’s not an A-Rod type offer.
I would not expect any discounts. It’s definitely gonna be expensive. Count on that much.
Mac-
You’d have to think the odds of a Morse or JU are low.
I think dealing the young players is more of the issue than the money.
JU’s AAV is only 8 Mil. That’s very reasonable for a guy with his upside.
Morse is a one yr. guy at this point.
If Seattle wants Upton that bad they should offer him lot’s and lot’s of extra coin.
That might move him. Most of these guys respond to money.
It’s hard to know what Prince Hal has in mind and how he’ll react if the kids stink up the joint once they’re given the opportunity.
Obviously $ 189 M is very difficult if you have four or five guys making $ 100 M plus between them which is where the Yanks will be if they keep Cano.
With that in mind it’s silly not to find out what the market is for Cano and Granderson right now.
Pineda’s longterm prognosis is not good by the way.
The great majority of guys with shoulder injuries spend signifcant time in future years on the DL, and most require additional surgery.
It is possble he may produce in the shorter term though.
Maybe raise his value and send the risk to some other team ?
86-
It might indeeed be silly but I’d betcha that the Yankees have not even entertained the idea of trading Cano now.
According to rumors Granderson has already been shopped.
Problem is that they can’t move him w/o a replacement in mind.
They don’t even have a 4th OF’er lined up yet much less a potential Grandy replacement.
That is why some of us have advocated getting Upton.
I can a scenario in which the yanks letting Cano walk after the season. But I also think Cano might yield just as much at TD as oppose of now.
on J.UP, I am sure Yanks have inquired but most of the trade proposals i have read probably comes from the fertile imaginations of Blake.
MTU,
There is no longer an expression saying “only $8 million”. That is a large % of the post-2013 budget for one player with Cano coming up. I do think they will try to sign Cano believing him to be the next face of the franchise. That would make $8M far too big, IMO, for Hal’s budget.
Meet Juan Rivera our new bat. Now he’s a season changer.
The Yankees have 4/5 OF prospects in Heathcott/Williams/Austin/Flores/Santana.
They do not need to keep them all.
They shouldn’t even try.
Several should be made available in trades when the time is right IMO.
They likely will be.
“i can’t imagine they intend to let cano walk away for nothing.”
I can….I think there is zero chance they trade Cano and think that either they will sign him to a huge contract or somebody else will. Once he hits free agency then it’s up to Robbie…..he doesn’t have to come back
Mac-
You might be right. It could be Rivera.
I say we get Vlad over to Dr. Purita and sign him after he goes bionic.
MTU,
The time would seem to be now if they want a bat. I don’t believe in the wait until the trade deadline concept. The Yankees don’t play in that pool except in the wading pool area.
Mac-
It looks like the Yankees have decided to apply patches to this year’s team.
Sounds like Hal is taking a wait-and-see attitude with respect to next year.
Personally, I’m skeptical of that. I think he wants that 189 at almost all costs (literally and figuratively).
And for now I am convinced he intends to sell.
I’d love to see him prove me wrong on both counts.
“The Seattle paper is not sure the trade is dead. We shall see”
Cameron was all over twitter last night saying that it could have just been a leverage play…..I don’t think so in this case…..teams put the Yankees and Sox on no trades for leverage….teams put the Mariners on no trades cause they don’t want to hit in Safeco.
MTU January 11th, 2013 at 8:01 am
The Yankees have 4/5 OF prospects in Heathcott/Williams/Austin/Flores/Santana.
They do not need to keep them all.
They shouldn’t even try.
Several should be made available in trades when the time is right IMO.
They likely will be.
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“They shouldn’t even try.”
Agreed. Self scout, etermine each player’s value, and go from there. The Yankees have to get the maximum return on this crop, and holding onto all of them doesn’t do that.
Cano isn’t signing for less than eight years for $180 million or more. The question is whether the Yankees would be willing to go there. I doubt it, and that tells me they should shop him. But, it will never happen since it ruins Hal’s watch me still try to win PR campaign.
Hal was not really surprised at the anger question, I don’t think. He was simply saying look how much we have spent. I say look how you left the future hanging by a thread of needing a half dozen minor leaguers come and significantly contribute.
I very much believe Cashman could be gone if his minor leaguers do not turn out. Hal will hold him to his word of winning from within.
Kev-
Glad to have company.
if the Braves traded for Upton would they have the best lineup in baseball top to bottom? It’d be dang good thats for sure….
trying to think of comps for the Seattle offer:
Braves: teheran, Gattis, Venters, and maybe Amhed?
Yankees: Mason, Nova, Montgomery, Adams?
The Yanks are tougher to compare because they don’t have that top pitching prospect that’s healthy to offer.
Blake, I generally agree about the Mariners, but Upton has to be thinking he lands in a new organization this offseason. It only makes sense for him to reject these trades to negotiate up.
“Blake, I generally agree about the Mariners, but Upton has to be thinking he lands in a new organization this offseason. It only makes sense for him to reject these trades to negotiate up.”
if you were a 25 year old Upton who will be a FA at 28 in 3 years would you want to go to a park that could drastically suppress your numbers until that point? I wouldn’t……I think J Upton probably is trying to force his way to Hotlanta to be honest……
I think the Yanks only get Upton if the Diamondbacks get desperate, and that doesn’t seem to be Towers’ style. I’d do that package though, Blake. It would be painful, but probably fair.
Well Blake, he could be jockeying for a big time extension. It would make sense for him considering he’s coming off of a down season.
teams put the Yankees and Sox on no trades for leverage
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Yankees were in his limited NTC before. He’s allowed to change the teams. Done so at least twice already. Most likely just a smart agent reading the tea leaves.
“Yankees were in his limited NTC before. He’s allowed to change the teams. Done so at least twice already. Most likely just a smart agent reading the tea leaves.”
could be….but again my guess in this particular case is he just doesn’t want to play in Seattle….a smart agent wouldn’t send a premium hitter there either.
Braves: teheran, Gattis, Venters, and maybe Amhed?
Yankees: Mason, Nova, Montgomery, Adams?
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If Walker is indeed in the Seattle proposal, I think these both fall short, especially the Yankees’. The lack of a high end, healthy SP prospect hurts.
You’d have to think, all things equal, that JU would love to be re-united with his Bro.
How cool would that be for him. A dream come true.
the mariners also spend a ton of time on planes during the season. even in division they have to fly long distances (2200 miles to dallas, 2400 to houston)
i think this affects player’s thinking about seattle too.
Seattle does have great seafood and beautiful scenery.
I can personally attest to that.
“If Walker is indeed in the Seattle proposal, I think these both fall short, especially the Yankees’. The lack of a high end, healthy SP prospect hurts.”
Heyman confirmed it was Walker last night…..unless he was wrong….and I agree….it’s harder for the Yanks to match up if Towers really wants that premium pitcher that’s close to the majors. Teheran was a top 5 prospect overall a year ago and had a great winter ball…..so he could be good enough for Towers I’d guess…..That Yankee package does give a big league starter and potential big league closer, a big league ready infielder….and a high upside CF prospect that’s gonna be top 25 on some lists……it’s a good offer…..but whether or not KT would take it I have no idea….
Seattle seems like a great place…..unless you’re a baseball hitter.
Meant to say Washington State has beautiful scenery.
could be….but again my guess in this particular case is he just doesn’t want to play in Seattle….a smart agent wouldn’t send a premium hitter there either.
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Changed dimensions to make it more hitter friendly should help, but we’ll have to see. Don’t think playing for Seattle hurts players who are high end guys. If there stats suffer a little, scouts and GMs know the park is a factor. Just as they know Upton has fattened up on playing his home games in Arizona.
Seattle is a great place except if you like abundant sunshine.
“i got 68 (%), you need 75, im gonna go home and study and hopefully i get a 75 next year”
at least biggio has a sense of humor about the HOF…
That Yankee package does give a big league starter and potential big league closer, a big league ready infielder
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It’s a 4/5 starter, Jeff Keppinger and a potentially good reliever. Williams would obviously be the key. It’s not real close.
MTU, no doubt Washington does, but when you have money the world is rather small.
“Don’t think playing for Seattle hurts players who are high end guys”
killed Beltre
“It’s a 4/5 starter, Jeff Keppinger and a potentially good reliever. Williams would obviously be the key. It’s not real close.”
Nova has at least won 16 games in the big leagues….pitching prospects bust all the time….Walker had a 4+ era in AA last year…..more upside in the Seattle package on the pitching front but more upside elsewhere in the Yankee package…..I guess it just depends on how Towers evaluated Walker…..I haven’t seen him pitch……not like Seattle was offering anything big league proven though.
Cash-
That’s true. Money can help massage away a lot of ills.
Take my cabin in Katmandu for example.
My personal jet gets me there in no time.
pitching prospects are overvalued in trades all the time cause tons of them (even the best ones) bust
“Don’t think playing for Seattle hurts players who are high end guys”
killed Beltre
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I think he’ll survive on the $105 million he’ll make subsequent to his time in Seattle.
Blake-
I’ve seen Walker.
He’s really good. Reminds me of E-Jax with control.
But you’re still right. He’s a prospect. Totally unproven at the ML level.
And young arms tend to fail at an alarming rate.
Good morning.
Figures. Hal is in Arizona for an owners meeting and doesn’t come home with Justin Upton in his shopping cart!
Could a three team deal be made between the Yankees, Seattle and DBacks?
Seattles current OF is Bay/Ibanez, Gutierrez and Saunders. Would they be interested in solid citizen, Curtis Granderson to add power to their lineup now that the RF fences have been moved in 4 whole feet!! They have the $$$$ to extend him.
Granderson and prospect/prospects for Furbush and one of their prospects that Arizona wanted and spin them and others off to Arizona for Upton?
Any hope there?
teheran had a pretty bad year last year.
26 starts 5.08 era, 1.44 whip.
hopefully hal will put Cmoney on notice in terms putting his prospects where his mouth is… I really think the organizational tinkering with pitching developmental staff stemmed directly from the failures of the two bees.
“I think he’ll survive on the $105 million he’ll make subsequent to his time in Seattle.”
he had to take a pillow contract in Boston to get that money because nobody wanted him after his time in Seattle…..only reason he got the deal with Texas is cause he got out of Safeco and mashed at Fenway
“teheran had a pretty bad year last year.”
yea but killed it in winter ball….still very young and has frontline upside….
From a December article on Teheran:
“That renewed “natural” delivery is leading to some impressive numbers for Teheran in the Dominican Winter League this month. In his last three starts spanning 16.2 innings, Julio has allowed only 2 hits and 4 walks while striking out 15 batters. I was able to watch an online stream of his start this past Sunday and he did indeed look like the old Julio, with a bit of a dip-and-twist in his delivery and a fastball that was consistently in the mid-90s.”
http://www.talkingchop.com/201.....nker-again
just look at the hitting prospects that have tried to break in in seattle…..Ackley and Montero both were premium minor league bats….they have struggled big time in Seattle….Justin Smoak was compared to Mark Teixera as a prospect….can’t hit anything in Seattle…..some of this is circumstantial evidence of course but at some point you have to consider that the park has an effect on guys……nobody except Ichiro has really hit there in 10 years or more….
i dont put too much into winter ball. there are guys playing who have huge holes in their games.
no question about tehran’s upside, though.
Cash-
There is little that can be done to prevent the need for TJ.
Some of the younger guys arms are just destined to fails from the stress of Pitching or other causes.
Some believe you can identify certain problems or prevent them in advance but guys Like Hughes and Banuelos make me doubt that. Banuelos in particular was handled with kid gloves.
Both have have excellent mechanics. You would not think either is a candidate for arm issues on the face of it.
Hughes might be a bit more understandable since he has multiple injuries, conditioning issues, and was possibly mishandled.
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but does it have the natural sinking motion of my 55 mph 4 seamer?
interesting that the guy who reviewed teheran’s winter game mentioned the ‘old teheran’. obviously that referenece means there was significant decline from ‘old teheran’ to what he did last year.
after being ranked #5 going into the past 2 seasons by BP i wonder where he will be ranked this year.
still he only turns 22 in a couple of weeks.
Cash with an Eephus pitch ?
I urge locking him up now.
understood MYU, but i think that’s why they changed staff. speaking of conditioning, joba is probably fatter than hughes every year except bubba was slimmer last year i think.
never mind team greedy, it’s team hungry time. Can’t find a good diner in Manhattan that has good biscuits with gravy, i don’t wassup with it.
” Cashmoney January 11th, 2013 at 8:47 am
but does it have the natural sinking motion of my 55 mph 4 seamer?”
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one man’s natural sink is another man’s gravity…
*MTU
The Mariners offered a four-player package to the D’Backs, according to Scott Miller of CBS Sports. Arizona would have received Nick Franklin, Charlie Furbush, Stephen Pryor and one of Taijuan Walker, Danny Hultzen or James Paxton.
Blake, everyone-
Help me out here. Is there any hope that a 3 team trade could be worked out where the Mariners get their power hitter and extend Granderson plus prospect/prospects, the Yankees get Upton and the DBacks get part of the package they wanted from the Mariners and the rest from the Yankees?
Patterson has a good rep.
Can’t hurt. Might help.
“never mind team greedy, it’s team hungry time. Can’t find a good diner in Manhattan that has good biscuits with gravy, i don’t wassup with it.”
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i know a place in South Orange that had killer biscuits and gravy….
YT, realisitcally, no.
yeah YS, i have no problem finding a good place in the outer boroughs for that, nm NJ. I just don’t think that’s a staple in Manhattan diners.
YT-
Nope.
We can’t even manage a 1 to 1.
I’m not sure the desire is there.
But, I have 4.4 speed. The downside is it is in the 20 yard dash.
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If the Yankees underperform this season some of you might get your wishes.
Both Cashman and Girardi might exit the scene next year.
manhattan is weird that way. in the center of the pizza universe, manhattan has some of the most putrid pizza you can find anywhere….
Could a three team deal be made between the Yankees, Seattle and DBacks?
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I sure hope so… I didn’t comment last night but saw the news. I was surprised to hear AZ set everything up without consulting JUp until the end. Not surprised he rejected the deal at all.
I know nothing about the M’s prospects offered so I can’t make a comparison between what we’d have to offer… are those guys closer to the bigs than our top talent? I’d imagine so.
I wonder if the Dbacks might not end up putting themselves in a position to have to take less than they wanted for Upton at this point….. god I hope so….
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“nobody except Ichiro has really hit there in 10 years or more….”
blake-
it’s like a golf hole that doesn’t fit your eye. you make a swing that isn’t your normal swing. so why does jaso go there after not having a very good hitting career and suddenly over achieve there?
part of it is mental. jaso is scrapping just trying to be in the lineup and has always had to do that. maybe that helps with his approach. hard to say, but he did hit there.
another factor is that if safeco is a harder place to hit, it’s an easier place to pitch which makes any pitcher’s stats from there suspect. with the fences coming in a bit this year, it’ll be interesting to see how both pitchers and hitters perform in safeco.
cashman trading for pineda based on safeco stats was a very risky position. in a way hal changed the “ballpark” that cashman played in. he moved the financial “fences” back making it harder for cashman to hit a “home run”. this too cashman out of his game and trying to make something happen he over swung on the pineda trade and rolled over a double play ball to the second baseman.
cashman actually can’t perform in the new financial ballpark hal has created. it takes him out of what he’s good at and forces him to do things he’s not good at like developing from within.
it’s not surprising he choked and pulled the trigger on the pineda trade. it’s not like cashman has ever had the constraints on him like he had when he traded for pineda. cashman knew what fans didn’t, and that was he was cut off from his normal revenue source.
expect more weird trades as cashman tries to manufacture something that works.