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Monday notes and links: Jeter, Pettitte and Youkilis

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 14, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A few notes and links from another quiet day.

• As part of an ESPN tribute to Martin Luther King Jr., Derek Jeter spoke about King’s legacy and impact, and as usual, Jeter managed to come up with something classy and to the point.  “I think everyone in this country, regardless of race, should be grateful for what Martin Luther King stood for,” Jeter said. In other Jeter news — just in case you missed it over the weekend – Jeter is out of his walking boot and working out at the minor league complex in Tampa. Brian Cashman said Jeter will start baseball activities later this month.

• Despite several reports, Cashman told ESPN New York that he hasn’t been told officially that Andy Pettitte is playing in the World Baseball Classic. “No team has any say over that stuff unless the player is injured,” Cashman said. “The WBC selection committee knows in advance what their eligible pool is.”

• Hitting coach Kevin Long has already started working with new third baseman Kevin Youkilis. “We looked at old film and compared it to 2012,” Long told the New York Post. “We saw some considerable differences, mainly in his stance and it looked like the adjustments had an impact. … I think we can get him back to being an all-star caliber player.”

The Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees announced a new five-year radio deal. Donnie Collins reports that every game will be broadcast online, which is good news for those who keep a close eye — and ear — on the Triple-A club.

Jeff Karstens has re-signed with the Pirates. The former Yankees spot starter got roughly $2.5 million.

Associated Press photo of Jeter at a Knicks game earlier this winter

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135 Responses to “Monday notes and links: Jeter, Pettitte and Youkilis”

  1. Barry January 14th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    And speaking of classy, just to place all in pespective, two words The Lohud Doping Afficionado Cheering Section need are…Lance Armstrong. Now begging off disgrace by hisadmission of guilt. Jeez.

  2. yankeefeminista January 14th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    re-post

    yankeefeminista January 14th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
    Blake, probably.

    Third time’s the charm: maybe the name’s Aledmis. I have seen it written 3 different ways. “Diaz, 22, was playing with the Cuban National team when he defected last summer and had played in Cuba’s premier league, Serie Nacional, since 2007. Regarded as the more advanced player, comparatively, the 6’1”, 185-pound shortstop has a projectable bat with power potential, as well as solid range and a strong arm.”

    “The Villa Clara shortstop, 21, had a .315 batting average last season and a .404 on base percentage. He had 12 homers and knocked in 49 runs. One of the leagues better fielders he had a .972 fielding percentage over 76 games.” Havana Times

    However, in this St Louis baseball article, they say his D is not very good. So, got to wonder if the stuff about range, D is actually legit.

    http://www.stlcardinalbaseball…..3710937500

  3. yankeefeminista January 14th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    austinmac January 14th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
    JAP,

    I remember before Jeter. It was like before electricity. The stadium was dark every October.
    _____
    A day without Jeet is a day without sunshine.

  4. yankeefeminista January 14th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Diaz also had a bunch of errors; I’m not sure if it is because of superior range…

  5. yankeefeminista January 14th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    I will sorely miss GB7′s MiLB game updates.

  6. austinmac January 14th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    YF,

    I agree. He is and will be missed.

  7. Against All Odds January 14th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    yankeefeminista January 14th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
    I will sorely miss GB7?s MiLB game updates.

    —————-

    QFT

  8. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 14th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Did anyone watch Joel Sherman tonight? Did he mention anything else other than the Yankees may not be in the Michael Morse bidding or something about the next 72 hours and Morse? Any recent Yankees related rumors? Or is it all quiet on the Yankees front, as it unfortunately has been since the Kuroda, Pettitte, and Rivera signings? Thanks.

  9. Bo knows January 14th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    For those who rely on stats to predict the future in baseball. There always can be development.

    http://www.wimp.com/dogherding/

  10. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 14th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    I am copying this from riveraveblues. I hope there is some truth to the alex redo with Justin Upton. However, I have to agree with the last sentence that it would be a sad set of affairs to let Upton slip through the fingers.

    “Anyway, this Upton stuff gives me a bit of an Alex Rodriguez circa 2003-2004 vibe. A-Rod was rumored to be available all winter and eventually the Rangers reached an agreement with the Red Sox, but the union shot the thing down because of the proposed restructuring of his contract. Before you knew it, poof, Alex was a Yankee. Upton’s been available for months (years, really) and it wasn’t until just now that they reached a trade agreement, but this time it was the player who blew things up, not the league. The Yankees may not have the exact pieces Arizona is seeking and that could prevent a trade from happening, but I do believe they have enough to at least get their attention. We can thank the Mariners for that. If New York is unwilling to pull the trigger on a trade for a 25-year-old player of Upton’s caliber for financial reasons, well that’s just sad.”

    http://riveraveblues.com/

  11. yankeefeminista January 14th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    We should all wear a GB7 commemorative patch for the 2013 season.

  12. MTU January 14th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    JAP-

    Thanks for the video.

    My advanced degree was in a subject area known as “Experimental Cognition”.

    a.k.a. The Science of Thought

    I often wrestled with the ideas like those presented in that video way back when I was just a pup.

    Now I just prefer a good fantasy.

    ;)

  13. Ys Guy January 14th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    good for jeff karstens. he’s been a serviceable pitcher for a terrible team. and he’s made $7.8M in his career!

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock January 14th, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    MTU,

    My pleasure. I do think Mr. Alexander is not going to go away. People without an interest in different states of consciousness have no idea who Bob Munroe is; even though he was a revolutionary on the subject, he remains in the margins and therefore could never directly reshape the consensus “reality”. But Alexander is firmly planted in the mainstream of orthodox medicine, therefore his NDE experience is not going to be as easily dismissed by news media, etc. He’s the kind of guy both mainstream science and institutionalized religion are terrified of, so there will be an attempt to beat him back, disarm him, and make him “repent,” but I don’t think he’s going to break. That’s good news, for all of us, even those who would silence him.

  15. J. Alfred Prufrock January 14th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    GB7 is probably kicking back in what Munroe would call “Focus 27″ and having a good chuckle at us all.

  16. MTU January 14th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    See you all again when the morning light kisses the Horizon.

    It’s the Dreamtime again for now.

  17. MTU January 14th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    JAP-

    I plan on finding out someday.

    ;)

  18. blake January 14th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Watching Cobb….I never even noticed Clemens was in it

  19. austinmac January 14th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    YF,

    How about we ask Chad for some memorial on opening day?

  20. austinmac January 14th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Or opening day of the minor league season?

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock January 14th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    MTU,

    Happy travels ;)

    YF/Amac – that’s a great idea. I emailed Chad about doing something on the blog when it first came to our attention, and he agreed that something should be done to acknowledge his transition and what a great presence he has been here. At the time, though, he said he had no details and nothing official, and therefore couldn’t act at the time.

  22. austinmac January 14th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    JAP!

    We need to enlist Doreen so she can assure Chad of he facts. Then, I suggest something on opening day for MILB to recognize our lost friend and that we miss his cranky self.

  23. yankeefeminista January 14th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    austinmac, yes, great idea. MiLB season starts on April 4th. Also Yanks are playing Red Sox that night. Or April 2 is the Yanks off day…

  24. yankeefeminista January 14th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Sweet dreams, MTU. 29 days until pitchers and “would-be” catchers report. :)

  25. coney1 January 14th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    There Will Never Be Another Mo January 14th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Did anyone watch Joel Sherman tonight? Did he mention anything else other than the Yankees may not be in the Michael Morse bidding or something about the next 72 hours and Morse? Any recent Yankees related rumors? Or is it all quiet on the Yankees front, as it unfortunately has been since the Kuroda, Pettitte, and Rivera signings? Thanks.

    Sherman did not mention anything else. Just that they are looking for a RH bat. Probably will be a smaller name like a Scott Hairston or a Jeff Baker. Exciting stuff, I know. Amazing that Yankees Hot Stove or Baseball Daily (or whatever they are calling it now) is 10% Yankees and 90% other topics.

  26. RobertGKramer@AOL.Com January 14th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    If no-one else mentioned this, the SWB team is now the Railriders with a porcupine mascot and part of their logo!

  27. coney1 January 14th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    What happened to GB7?

  28. jacksquat January 14th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    If New York is unwilling to pull the trigger on a trade for a 25-year-old player of Upton’s caliber for financial reasons, well that’s just sad.

    So, RAB is just running with the Morosi bit, which was based on nothing… The Yankees have never said they couldn’t get Upton because of financial reasons. Stop trying to stir things up to make a story.

  29. austinmac January 14th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Coney,

    We have learned he passed away.

  30. coney1 January 14th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    austinmac January 14th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    Coney,

    We have learned he passed away.

    I’m very sorry to hear that.

  31. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 14th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    Sherman did not mention anything else. Just that they are looking for a RH bat. Probably will be a smaller name like a Scott Hairston or a Jeff Baker. Exciting stuff, I know. Amazing that Yankees Hot Stove or Baseball Daily (or whatever they are calling it now) is 10% Yankees and 90% other topics.

    _____________

    Thanks, sad, but thanks.

  32. blake January 14th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    That Morosi article was basically just speculation on his part most likely…

  33. austinmac January 14th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Upton probably doesn’t make sense from the budget POV to Hal. He knows the only way for the budget to work is for many prospects to make it. He likely doesn’t want to trade them while at the same time take on a big chunk of money with one player.

  34. jacksquat January 14th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Just because the Yankees are at some certain number, that doesn’t mean they would pass on Upton if they thought the deal made sense. He doesn’t cost much this year and he certainly could be fit in for 2014/15. If it doesn’t happen it’s much more likely the Yankees simply don’t have the players the Dbacks want, or don’t want to part with them.

  35. Ys Guy January 14th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    If no-one else mentioned this, the SWB team is now the Railriders with a porcupine mascot and part of their logo!
    —————————————————————-
    are you sure its a porcupine? maybe its just one of those muskrats you see dead on the side of the rails if you watch out the window…

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock January 14th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Amac – yes Doreen or one of GB7′s offline friends needs to approach Chad with those details. He is more than willing to honor him here.

    Goodnight all.

  37. austinmac January 14th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    I just looked at Jeff Baker’s stats. He is a below average major league hitter. Always has been and always will. So the question is, why?

  38. Ys Guy January 14th, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    they should have gone with ‘dashing dan’ the LIRR commuter!

    http://www.trainweb.org/willst.....20full.png

  39. Ys Guy January 14th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    we used to be able to add a ‘tag line’ to our screennames on here back in the old days. i hadn’t realized we could no longer do that when i tried to add some kind of farewell to gb7 as my tag…

  40. austinmac January 14th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    I would love to add a good bat, but I would far prefer giving Mesa, the Almontes and others a look rather than a below average guy who takes spring training at bats. If you want to get younger, quit bringing in older marginal players and giving them the jobs.

  41. Tar January 14th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    That’s a great idea re: GB. I whole heartedly support it.

    Good night all.

  42. Ys Guy January 14th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    given youkilis’s health issues, i’d like to see them play nunez at third alot and dh youkilis.

    that is assuming jeter is healthy.

    jeter said he’ll be ready by opening day. as far as i’m concerned, that means jeter will be ready by opening day.

    and i want to see nunez in the lineup alot, like almost every day.

  43. Ys Guy January 14th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    i dont buy the morosi article. i think cashman just thinks upton will cost too much talent that they need the next couple of years.

  44. yankeefeminista January 14th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    “Long already has begun working with Rodriguez’s temporary replacement at third, visiting Kevin Youkilis in San Jose, Calif., last week.

    ‘We looked at old film and compared it to 2012,” Long said. “We saw some considerable differences, mainly in his stance and it looked like the adjustments had an impact. … I think we can get him back to being an all-star caliber player.’ ” (NY Post)

    That is optimism.

  45. blake January 14th, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    @ajcbraves: Was told tonight that #Braves and #Dbacks have not re-started JUpton trade negotiations since he rejected trade to Seattle.

  46. Ys Guy January 14th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    baker had some year last year. started out with the cubs where he got into 54 games (144 AB) and posted a .306 OBP and a .753 OPS. not bad really.

    they traded him to detroit but it didn’t go that well, 15G, 37 AB, .243 OBP, .500 OPS.

    then he was traded to atlanta where it all fell apart; 14G, 19 AB, .150 OBP, .255 OPS.

    good thing he didnt go to another team, he might have found a way to be in the negatives…..

  47. Nilsson January 14th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    So Armstrong is planning to testify in a federal whistleblower case against everybody and their mother who conspired with him on doping. This after bullying and legally threatening anyone who dared to accuse him in the past decade. The guy is a piece of work. Still remember when everyone was wearing those stupid yellow bands lol.

  48. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    armstrong is a dirtbag who’s going to cash in like nobody’s buisness by dragging his ‘partial confessions’ across any talk shows who will pay him, drip by drip, then write a tell-all book.

    pete rose came up with the idea but i think armstrong is going to make way more than pete did.

  49. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 12:06 am

    of course some would say that richard nixon actually came up with the idea….

  50. Nick in SF January 15th, 2013 at 12:15 am

    I still wear my Tex-Strong band. It says “Until he beats the shift” on it. :neutral:

  51. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    i dont mind the people with the yellow bands. i never bought into them but i think the whole idea appealed to the better angels in people. they were expressing hope and faith and the idea that people can overcome. there’s nothing wrong with that except that the guy they were celebrating was unworthy of their devotion.

  52. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    lol @ Nick

  53. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    hahahahaha! nick that was EXCELLENT!

  54. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    lol, Nick. :)

  55. Barry January 15th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    Re Armstrong. That is what I’ve been saying. And the answer about the players who haven’t been caught cheating…not guilty until proven or admitted.

  56. Jerkface January 15th, 2013 at 12:32 am

    Nick,

    Lets team up and sell those

  57. Duh Innings II January 15th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    “Anyway, this Upton stuff gives me a bit of an Alex Rodriguez circa 2003-2004 vibe. A-Rod was rumored to be available all winter and eventually the Rangers reached an agreement with the Red Sox, but the union shot the thing down because of the proposed restructuring of his contract. Before you knew it, poof, Alex was a Yankee. Upton’s been available for months (years, really) and it wasn’t until just now that they reached a trade agreement, but this time it was the player who blew things up, not the league. The Yankees may not have the exact pieces Arizona is seeking and that could prevent a trade from happening, but I do believe they have enough to at least get their attention. We can thank the Mariners for that. If New York is unwilling to pull the trigger on a trade for a 25-year-old player of Upton’s caliber for financial reasons, well that’s just sad.”

    ———————————————————————————-

    Upton gives out an A-Rod circa 2003-04 vibe LOL.

    What a !@#$ing moron Mike Axisa or whoever posted that nonsense is.

    Justin Upton is hands down the most overrated player in MLB.

    First off, his .278/.357/.475/.832 career slashline is nice but hardly The Second Coming Of Willie Mays (or A-Rod for that matter.)

    Second, he posted 17 HR and 67 RBI with a pedestrian .280/.355/.430/.785 slashline and a crappy 18 for 26 in SBA in 2012, his age 24 season.

    2003-04 A-Rod??? Really? A-Rod won a batting title in his age 20 season.

    A-Rod in 2000 (his age 24 season): 41 HR 132 RBI, .316/.420/.606/1.026, 163 OPS+

    A-Rod in 2003 (his age 27 season): 47 HR, 118 RBI, .298/.396/.600/.996, 147 OPS+

    A-Rod in 2004 (his age 28 season): 36 HR, 106 RBI, .286/.375/.512/.888, 173 OPS+

    So RAB invoking and likening Upton to prime A-Rod is LAUGHABLE. Axisa might as well shut down RAB after what he posted.

    2012 A-Rod hit MORE HR and drove in only 10 less runs than 2012 Upton whose slashline is nearly identical to A-Rod’s, and A-Rod posted what he posted in 99 LESS PA than Upton.

    So I don’t want to hear how great Upton is.

    Upton is a very nice player who MIGHT be a great one. He has the talent. ‘Problem with him is he’s signed through 2015, he will cost too much in farm talent to acquire him, and he most likely wouldn’t be traded before or during 2014. ‘Say the Yanks finally landed him after 2014, the earliest I see them getting him. He would be a one-year rental like Cano or Granderson would be if he was traded in 2013. You can’t give up the farm for one year of Upton even if it is his age 27 season. I don’t think you could even give up the farm for 2014-15 Upton either as you’ll need to give up at least three top prospects which means you give up EIGHTEEN seasons under control. If the Yanks had Upton for 2014-15 then lost him to free agency or he became Jayson Werth II after ’15 with no World Series Championships to show for it and whoever they gave AZ turned out just three quality seasons out of eighteen under control (one-sixth of the time), Arizona fleeced the Yanks like the Tigers fleeced the Yanks with the Granderson trade in that Jackson costs a fraction of Granderson and who has been the Yanks’ master 2011-12? Detroit.

  58. Jerkface January 15th, 2013 at 12:42 am

    Clearly the allusion was to the situation where A-rod was traded, not to his actual talent ability. Don’t let that stop you from spewing 1500 words out about it though.

  59. Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 12:46 am

    I want someone who used steroids to admit it, and then say: “So what, there’s nothing wrong with it except lying about it.”

  60. Nick in SF January 15th, 2013 at 12:46 am

    So we split the profits three ways? Nick and Jerkface and Patrick? Hmmmm.

  61. Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    The A-Rod trade was Cashman’s best move. If the Yankees can get a lower case replication, I’m down.

  62. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 12:55 am

    ” Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 12:46 am

    I want someone who used steroids to admit it, and then say: “So what, there’s nothing wrong with it except lying about it.”
    ===================================================
    canseco doesnt count?

  63. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 12:56 am

    the cashman trade was a great move. and arod’s original contract was worth every penny.

    …the extension was the worst contract in sports history.

    thanks hank….

  64. Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 12:57 am

    “canseco doesnt count?”

    Well, here’s the thing, if, as you said, he was a bad vehicle for a Jim Bouton-like book on the subject (it’s not a bad point), why would be be a good one to further my agenda? Just sayin’…

  65. Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 12:58 am

    I could be wrong (I often am), but I don’t think Hank was able to sign-off on $250-$300m unilaterally.

  66. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 12:58 am

    idk if justin upton is the most overrated player in mlb but i do suspect he’s the second-most overrated player on the lohud….

  67. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    yeah hal had his brother and goldman sachs working him….

  68. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 1:00 am

    i suspect levine was in there, too…

  69. Nick in SF January 15th, 2013 at 1:02 am

    Warren Buffett co-signed. :mad:

  70. Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    The most overrated player on LoHud…Tex?

  71. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 1:06 am

    apparently buffet was on ‘arod’s side’. once again proving his genius. took the yankees to the cleaners!

  72. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 1:07 am

    does anybody on the lohud actually like tex?

  73. Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 1:09 am

    I think Tex is probably a fine man with a fine family. He is a decent player, but when you are paid like a superstar, it comes with a lot expectations, and his all-or-nothing HR approach isn’t likely to enable him to meet them.

  74. Nick in SF January 15th, 2013 at 1:14 am

    Tex is not overrated on Lohud. So no.

    Also, I like Tex.

  75. Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 1:18 am

    The thing about rating (over or under) Upton, and I am going to guess that Ys Guy was suggesting that Montero was the most overrated player here (I really want to be wrong on that), is that they are both still very young, but have a lot of talent.

    That’s what the Yankees need: young hitters with upside (obviously, Upton is a far more complete player).

    So who cares about over or underrating them? It’s secondary.

  76. Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 1:20 am

    “Tex is not overrated on Lohud. So no.”

    Really? In one form or another we have many people here say something to the effect of: “He hits 30 HR and 100 RBI and plays great defense, so who cares about his AVG, his disparate splits, or serial declining seasons.”

  77. Nick in SF January 15th, 2013 at 1:24 am

    And in many forms here we have people ripping Tex all the time.

    You know who Ys Guy meant. You don’t have to like it.

  78. Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 1:29 am

    “And in many forms here we have people ripping Tex all the time.”

    But what you (and others) call ripping is when people point out his low AVG, his disparate platoon splits, and his serial decline since 2009.

    That’s reality, not a rip.

    “You know who Ys Guy meant. You don’t have to like it.”

    It’s absurdly myopic.

  79. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 1:31 am

    yes i was referring to generational montero…

  80. Nick in SF January 15th, 2013 at 1:32 am

    Or maybe I was referring to the people who actually rip Tex.

  81. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 1:32 am

    i like to refer to him as genmont….

  82. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 1:34 am

    how many mvp equal ‘generational’?

  83. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 1:39 am

    fwiw, i like teixeira alot. he’s a great baseball player overall.

    he’s being paid at a rat the suggests he should be a superstar, though and i don’t think he’s quite reached that yet.

    but i hold out the hope that he may still achieve superstar status with the yankees.

  84. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 1:41 am

    tex improved the yankees infield defense and made derek jeter a better ss the day he arrived. that should not be underrated.

  85. Rich in NJ January 15th, 2013 at 2:00 am

    Yeah, here’s the thing about Montero ratings; they lack context, not to mention a reasonable timeframe.

    IOW, he is a kid who was expected to surmount a learning curve by any reasonable person.

    He played in an extreme pitchers’ park, and it showed in his H/R splits.

    People point to Ichiro having some good weeks here and state that he was stuck in a bad park with a losing team. Yet he is a veteran who should be more immune to those factors than a kid like Montero.

    Then you have to look at who Montero was traded for and that they had no other ML ready hitting prospects of any consequence, and that they have a bunch of aging/declining hitters, including…wait for it…TEX!

    So any claim that he is soooooooo overrated after one full season in the ML necessarily neglects the totality of the situation and as a result, is a very obtuse analysis of the facts

    Tex is great but not a superstar? Whaaat?

  86. Nick in SF January 15th, 2013 at 2:25 am

    I don’t think any of that stuff is going to convince Ys Guy. He seems to think Montero is overrated.

    And that’s okay.

  87. Ys Guy January 15th, 2013 at 2:35 am

    I actually think montero will be above average. Same for Pineda.

  88. GregD January 15th, 2013 at 6:47 am

    We complain when we trade our prospects and we complain when we don’t trade our prospects…..sounds right…. :)

  89. blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:09 am

    GregD says:
    January 15, 2013 at 6:47 am
    We complain when we trade our prospects and we complain when we don’t trade our prospects…..sounds right….

    We complain when we trade our #1 prospect for unproven pitchers…..we just want smart decision making

  90. blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:34 am

    Test

  91. austinmac January 15th, 2013 at 7:36 am

    “We just want smart decision making.”

    That would be nice. It seems way too much to hope for after what I have seen the last year or two.

  92. blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    My posts keep getting eaten! Must be a sign

  93. austinmac January 15th, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Cashman is securing your posts for further trade reflection. That must be it, Blake.

  94. blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:47 am

    austinmac says:
    January 15, 2013 at 7:46 am
    Cashman is securing your posts for further trade reflection. That must be it, Blake.

    It’s called propaganda control!

  95. AAA January 15th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    We complain when we trade our #1 prospect for unproven pitchers..

    ===================================

    Don’t prospect and unproven kinda mean the same thing?

  96. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Upton is all about upside. About cieling and whether he can reach it or not.

    He has not been consistent. But he also has been injured part of the time.

    He is only 25. He has been called out by Mgmt in public though it appears unwarranted from the accounts I have been able to read.

    Is he worth 3/4 top prospects ? Guess that depends on the above. Can he reach that cieling on a consistent basis.

    IMO he can and likely will.

    A classic change-of-scenery candidate.

    I fully understand if others disagree.

    He’s been jerked around for quite some time and I hope for his sake he does get traded to a team who will give him a fresh start.

    It would be great for him if he gets reunited with his brother.

  97. blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    “Don’t prospect and unproven kinda mean the same thing?”

    Of course but the failure was always the misreading of the Yankees needs…..it was clear to many that they needed young offense…..and also that there were pitching options available in free agency….Hal didnt want to spend any money so he burnt one of the better bats in the minors for a pitcher with a half season track record …..and predictably here we are a year later needing a RH bat in the worst way…..

  98. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    It would have been interesting to see the reactions if both Jesus and Pineda performed up to their expectations last year.

    If Pineda became the #2 envisioned and Montero hit around .300 with 20 or so dingers.

    I guess many still would not have changed their positions ?

    It is true we need that type of bat but it is equally true that we needed a young, cost-controlled ace-type SP.

    Just wondering as it is a moot point right now.

  99. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    Wonder how many folks L. Armstrong’s lying and cheating may have helped save?

  100. AAA January 15th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Of course but the failure was always the misreading of the Yankees needs…..it was clear to many that they needed young offense

    ============================

    Don’t know that this was as clear last postseason as it is this one. I don’t think this move was carried out without some level of foresight. He has to have a rotation in 2014, and it’s quite possible, perhaps even likely, that Phil Hughes is not going to be part of it. In fact, last off season, the only thing Cashman knew for sure was the ’14 rotation would include Sabathia and maybe Nova. I think it’s pretty clear that he carried out this trade with the idea of Pineda and Banuelos being integral parts of that rotation. Granted, his best laid plans have to some degree gone to sh*t, but he didn’t do this without thinking.

  101. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    “Don’t know that this was as clear last postseason as it is this one. I don’t think this move was carried out without some level of foresight. He has to have a rotation in 2014, and it’s quite possible, perhaps even likely, that Phil Hughes is not going to be part of it”

    I don’t know how long you’ve been posting here (and I enjoy your posts by the way) but I and many others were saying the same things a year ago as I said this morning. Pitching is easier to find than young impact type bats…..

    I know why they made the trade….they didnt because of why you say….because Cashman wanted a front of the rotation starter and he knew Hal wouldn’t let him buy one…..so he risked dealin offense they really couldn’t afford to part with for Pineda….they could have signed Darvish and had both….but they incorrectly IMO thought they had offense to spare…..we know now that wasn’t and isn’t the case.

    Montero may never be what he could have been….but the critisim was always about the thought process for me rather than how things actually turn out….Pineda may come back throwing 97 and make the trade look ok

  102. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    I have some serious doubts that Youkalis can get back to what he was…..but the Yanks have been rather good at maybe seeing some things in older hitters the last couple of seasons that others haven’t. I thought Ibanez and Chavez and Jones were cooked….turns out both had a little left.

    Youk is only 34 and it’s unlikely he will be as he was In his prime again ..but if he could just get close then that’s a really good bat…..Youk was an extremely tough out just a couple of years ago….here’s hoping I guess

  103. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Does anyone aside from me have any doubts about the ability of the Yankees to detect and deal with injuries to their young Pitchers ?

    Is that a common problem in general within Baseball ?

    I cite as recent examples where I think the issue arose Hughes’s tendonitis, and Pineda’s labrum tear.

    Were those problems handled the way you thought they should have been ?

    Should we be upgrading our Medical dep’t. or training staff ?

  104. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    The way Wang was handled after his Lisfranc injury might be cited as another potential example.

  105. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Good morning.
    So which one will be the right handed bat that the Yankees desire?
    Justin Upton for 3-4 primo prospects?
    Michael Morse for Logan + good prospect, once LaRoche is signed, sealed, delivered?
    Scott Hairston for 2 years 4-5M/year
    Or some unknown and surprise player?

  106. AAA January 15th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    Some very good points, Blake. Certainly understand disagreeing with the thought process, but have seen some (not you) argue that there wasn’t one at all, which I think is a bit unfair.

  107. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    YT-

    Of the ones you cited I’d have to go with either Hairston, or Mr. Unknown.

  108. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    I think all teams struggle with preventing pitcher injuries because honestly nobody really knows how to do it…..there is a genetic component most likely that is near impossible to account for….. That’s why you see crazy stuff like what happened with Strasburg where the team is just shooting in the dark hoping they are doing the right thing…

    I do think the Yanks handled Pineda incredibly poorly last spring by pushing him when something greatly wasn’t righr

  109. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    MTU-
    Total body MRI’s
    Echocardiogram
    :)

  110. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    AAA says:
    January 15, 2013 at 8:36 am
    Some very good points, Blake. Certainly understand disagreeing with the thought process, but have seen some (not you) argue that there wasn’t one at all, which I think is a bit unfair.

    No there definately was a thought process….I just didnt and don’t agree with it……and my guess is Cashman may not have either….he just knew he couldn’t bid on Darvish and he knew that Hamels and Cain might not become FAs and that he probably couldn’t sign them even if they did. Basically it all comes back to the budget…..when you can’t spend money for players you have to spend players for players and sometimes that gets you nowhere

  111. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Blake-

    It seems like they could not figure out Hughes problem either and the solutions they applied may have contributed to prolonging the issue.

    Whose idea was it for Wang to lay off working out in any way for an entire OS after his injury.

    Couldn’t someone have forseen the ensuing weakness of his legs that would have caused and that that might lead to further arm injuries ?

    That’s some of the kind of thing I’m talking about as well.

    And I understand some may say 20/20 hindsight but I don’t think that fully addresses what i might be getting at.

  112. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Trader,

    Who knows at this point…..i do think Cashman is probably trying for Upton behind the scenes but as to whether he will get him I kinda doubt it

  113. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    I actually think they did ok with Hughes…..he got better and avoiding surgery …..wang though…. Train wreck

  114. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Blake-

    I’m not sure they are, or ever were trying all that hard.

    “Lost” did not hear word one about it and you would have thought he would have at least picked up a sniff.

    At lest that’s what I thought he said.

  115. BD (Boston Dave) January 15th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    If the Yanks saw Montero as a position player, they prob don’t trade him. Agree or not, they felt like he didn’t have a place to play at that time. That’s a HUGE part of the thought process.

  116. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    “Lost” did not hear word one about it and you would have thought he would have at least picked up a sniff.”

    I’m not sure that means they aren’t…..if lost does work for the Yankees even he says that they are keeping things close to the vest. The Yankee FO rarely leaks….and when it does it’s generally on purpose

  117. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Blake-

    My take on Hughes is different than yours.

    I think they were slow to make an accurate diagnosis and they actions they took actaully may have contributed to prolonging the process.

    But yeah he didn’t require surgery because they don’t generally do surgery for Tendonitis.

    It usually requires sufficient rest and anti-inflammatory therapy.

    They tried some of that but I don’t think they rested Hughes’s arm sufficiently. I didn’t think so at the time. I don’t think they ever properly got a handle on his problem.

    Maybe I’m wrong.

    My point was I just wonder if we need to take a look at these sorts of things to see how we might be able to improve.

    Assuming, of course, that you agree that we might need to.

    ;)

  118. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Blake-

    We both know he has picked up on things much less obvious in the past.

    I would have expected at least a little leakage.

    But OK.

  119. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    i agree that the Yanks probably didnt see Montero as a catcher secretly and that’s become more evident on the last year as they continue to overemphasize catcher defense at the expense of offense…..however even if they thought that ….DH is a position in the AL and he also could have been groomed to replace Tex at 1b and been the BUC….anyway….it’s over and done with now

  120. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    I can’t imagine that Sabathia, Pettitte and Kuroda are all that enamored about throwing to “hokey-pokey” Cervelli, or passed ball artist Stewart.

  121. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    And by the way, the idea that JU is going to get traded is one of the worst kept secrets ever.

    It’s on everyone’s radar and has been for quite some time.

    That the Yankees might be interested also would not be a huge surprise.

  122. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    MTU,

    He has said they are trying hard for an impact bat…..there are only a few options on who that could be

  123. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Yankee Trader says:
    January 15, 2013 at 8:54 am
    I can’t imagine that Sabathia, Pettitte and Kuroda are all that enamored about throwing to “hokey-pokey” Cervelli, or passed ball artist Stewart.

    I don’t think they’ll let Cervelli catch unless he’s drastically improved

  124. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Blake-

    I never heard him say the were “trying hard”.

    Only that they want and need one.

    That isn’t just semantics either IMO.

    He also said the Yankees were a “stalking horse” not be to be ignored but there hasn’t been much to back that one up as of yet.

    ;)

  125. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    So we gonna sign this Cuban SS? Word is Cubs are interested but seeing as how they have Castro and Baez you’d think he wouldn’t be a priority for them….. And seeing as how we have 39 year old Jeter and then a whole bunch of nothing behind him you’d think the Yanks would think that might be a good idea to consider

  126. Shame Spencer January 15th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    I tried to catch the YES special twice last night but failed miserably.. was there anything else in there that would be considered newsworthy besides Sherman reporting the Yanks were in on Morse?

  127. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Maybe Cashman meant to say “talking” horse ?

    Like Mr. Ed.

    :)

  128. blake January 15th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    @Rotoworld_BB: Nats want Strasburg to pitch 200 innings http://t.co/qamlyFxz

    They sure thats wise? I mean his arm could explode

  129. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Seattle would be a perfect place, now with the fences moved in, for Granderson, plus they can easily afford to extend him.
    Cashman, use some ingenuity and make a three way deal for Upton work

  130. MTU January 15th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    New post —–>

  131. blake January 15th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    “Cashman, use some ingenuity and make a three way deal for Upton work”

    Have to think he’s tried….the Yanks woukd have to send a package to Seattle that would satisfy them to send the package to the Dbacks they did before….

  132. austinmac January 15th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    The Yankees still talking, if they ever did, with the DBacks, would shock me. I believe his salary and AAV don’t work for the budget.

    I believe Morosi. Why would anyone doubt money dictates every move or non-move?

  133. ron January 15th, 2013 at 9:39 am

    I don’t think the yankees were ever in love with wang.
    His k rate,etc…

    Changing subjects.Relying on several prospects panning out soon while your core ages with very little money to spend is a disaster waiting to happen.
    We should of traded cano,granderson,maybe hughes for high end prospects that are closer to the majors,then signed hamilton,melky,etc…
    We complain how arods contract is hurting us,but are about to do the same with cano.

    The big,long contracts never work.
    We will get a few more great years from cano,then a decline,and the more money a player makes,the less hunger.

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    Test

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