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State of the organization: Catcher

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 15, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This storyline began coming together in 2010 when Jorge Posada made just 78 starts at catcher. At that point, the Posada era was coming to an end. The year after, Posada was a full-time designated hitter and Russell Martin was behind the plate. The year after that, Posada was retired, Martin was back for one more year, Jesus Montero was traded and Austin Romine was hurt. Now it’s 2013 and not only are Posada and Montero gone, but so is Martin, and Romine has only 19 at-bats of big league experience. The catching position was, not so long ago, seen as an overwhelming organizational strength, but it is now a position without a proven option at the big league level.

Chris Stewart/Francisco Cervelli
Still not arbitration eligible
Back in 2010, because Posada was hurt for a while, Cervelli actually started 80 games behind the plate. It is — by quite a bit — the most single-season, big league starts for any catcher currently in the Yankees organization. Stewart started 51 games with the Giants in 2011 and Bobby Wilson started 58 games for the Angels last season. It’s silly to suggest any one of those three is not a big league catcher because, the fact is, all three have played supporting roles for pretty good major league teams. But it’s worth wondering whether any one of them deserves to be a big league regular. It’s also worth wondering whether the Yankees will be able to bring in another veteran — Rod Barajas, Kelly Shoppach and Yorvit Torrealba are among the recognizable names still on the market — to compete for the job. If not, Stewart and Cervelli seem to be the co-favorites, unless…

On the verge
Brian Cashman has said several times that he still expects Austin Romine to open the season in the minors. Romine missed most of last season with a back injury, and he has just 21 games of Triple-A experience, so there’s logic behind the idea of Romine having something to learn from another trip to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. There’s also logic in the idea of giving him a shot in New York, and Cashman has acknowledged that his expectations could change depending on the way things play out in spring training. We saw late in 2011 that Joe Girardi seems to like Romine, and the organization seems to believe in his defensive abilities. Plans can change based on necessity, and with no can’t-miss solution in-house, Romine has a chance to prove that his time has come.

Deeper in the system
Even without Montero, the Yankees still have one of the top catching prospects in the game. Gary Sanchez hit his way out of Charleston last season, and after a slow start in Tampa, he came on strong in the month of August to finish with a .279/.330/.436 slash line in High-A. Not bad for a kid who just turned 20 in December and has a real chance to stick behind the plate. Long-term, the Yankees best case scenario at catcher is still awfully good. Somewhere between Romine and Sanchez is J.R. Murphy, another offense-first catcher who stayed behind the plate last season despite the fact he’s dabbled at third base in the past. Coming up behind Sanchez is 2012 second-rounder Peter O’Brien. I haven’t talked to a single person in the organization about him — still a long way to go before he’s in the big league discussion – but online scouting reports suggest O’Brien has a big bat and a big arm but maybe too big of a body to stay behind the plate. It’s worth mentioning Isaias Tejeda, who had a big offensive year in 2011 but hit just .187/.267/.308 in Staten Island last season.

On the move
In 2011, two of the Yankees top seven picks were initially labeled as catchers, but both Greg Bird (fifth round) and Austin Jones (seventh round) have since moved to first base. Bird caught early last season, but Mark Newman confirmed this morning that Bird is strictly a first baseman going forward. Despite Posada having proven the potential impact of an offense-first catcher, the Yankees have preferred defensive options in recent years, and now they seem willing to start an all-glove, no-bat catcher if necessary. That makes it all the more important that guys like Murphy, Sanchez and O’Brien prove themselves defensively. They’re going to have to legitimately catch to still be labeled as catchers. It would, however, be interesting to see a guy like Murphy continue to branch out defensively. Scouts seem to like his bat, and if either Romine or Sanchez is going to take hold of the everyday catching job, Murphy could — in theory — have his impact as an unusual sort of utility man, one who can play the four corners and also catch occasionally (a version of Ryan Doumit, essentially).

What to watch
Look no further than big league camp. The most interesting developing situation behind the plate is the Yankees short-term decision for the major league club. Are they really going to give Stewart or Cervelli everyday at-bats? Can Romine force his way into the picture? Is anyone else coming to camp to fight for the job? Of course Sanchez’s development will be pivotal, but the big league job is a fascinating storyline that will have an immediate resolution one way or the other.

Associated Press photo; headshots of Stewart, Cervelli, Romine, Sanchez and Murphy

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109 Responses to “State of the organization: Catcher”

  1. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    JAP don’t enter this thread

  2. jmills January 15th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Against, Alfred is going to come here despite what you and effing Phil say.

  3. Mike Ri January 15th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    the fact we didnt sign AJP for one year 7 million is an absolute joke…

  4. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    The fact that Romine is starting the yr in the minors is a joke. We all thought it was his job to lose.

  5. jmills January 15th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    I also said I was going to give MTU a beautiful card of Bench ( mask off – one of the early ” action ” cards ) running straight at the dug, dugout and catching it all the while, Mays’ way – stoopid moi!!! – Thurman was every bit as good!!!!! Idiot, Hall….

  6. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Chip,

    Garcia is a special arm. He floats to the top above the “numbers”
    —————–

    No Yankee fan had a bigger man crush on Garcia than I did.

    No Yankee fan was sadder to see his go than I was.

    No one outside his family is happier to see him healthy and having success than I am.

    Having said all of that – if Mike Rizzo can trade a non-closer RHP who has had multiple arm injuries throughout his minor league career at the height of his value to date I don’t think he hesitates. Especially if it helps him clear some payroll. Consider that right now Garcia not only doesn’t profile to have a major role with the Nationals pen, he may not be on the 25 man roster breaking camp.

    For what it’s worth, I don’t blame Cashman or the Yankees for letting Garcia go, it was an unfortunate situation that every time he seemed to be on the rise he got hurt and the Yankees had to make a decision on him. Where I do hold Cashman responsible is for employing Nardi Contreras as the leader of the organization’s pitchers.

    When the Nationals got Garcia they put him in relief and he’s been healthy and effective since (much like they did with Clippard) Nardi kept Garcia (and Clippard) as a starter, never moved him to the pen despite his tremendous fastball/curve combo that would have profiled him as a future closer. Just another nail in Nardi’s professional coffin in my opinion.

    Consider that in addition to Garcia and Clippard; Nardi’s incompetence has possibly cost the Yankees:

    Ian Kennedy
    Joba Chamberlain
    Jesus Montero
    Travis d’Arnaud

    Had Contreras been actually good at his job, then maybe Kennedy, Hughes and Joba reach their potential with the Yankees as starters. In that case, the Yankees don’t trade Montero for Pineda. Also, it was in part Nardi’s confidence in being able to rehab Andrew Brackman that led to the team selecting him in the 2007 MLB draft with the 30th pick; d’Arnaud was taken 7 picks later. Throw in Humberto Sanchez and possibly now Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances.

    All of this is, of course, pure speculation – but needless to say, I’m glad Nardi has been replaced by Gil Patterson.

  7. theREALkevin January 15th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Chip, never knew about Thomson’s front office career. Interesting.

  8. matthew friedberg January 15th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Jr Murphy def next to be traded hopefully we can get something better than an injury in return

  9. jmills January 15th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Gil Patterson was well liked up here. Best to him.

  10. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    theREALkevin January 15th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    Chip, never knew about Thomson’s front office career. Interesting.
    ———-

    Yeah Thomson was a “field coordinator” for the late 90′s championship teams – essentially he was in charge of self scouting the team. Then he was made Director of Player Development in 2000; did one year as VP of Minor League development and was then named to Girardi’s coaching staff. I think Girardi wanted to have a guy as into analytics as himself on the staff to bounce ideas off of; but I think he’s overmatched on the field despite knowing the tendencies of all the players on both sides. I would rather see him back where he was; with the emphasis on payroll the Yankees really need their self scouting to be top notch and I think that’s where Thomson has proven to be at his best.

  11. blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    This one is sorta the opposite of SS where we have Derek Jeter then Crickets.

    At catchers we have Crickets……the. Gary Sanchez (until he gets traded)

  12. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Why would you put Garcia in the pen with that arsenal unless you were forced to? I saw all his starts in Trenton over two years, and his stuff was crazy including that killer changeup. Nats too have considered starting him because of multiple plus pitches.

    O’Brien has mega power; hopefully he can stay behind the plate. I do like JR’s bat. Not Sanchez-like, but JR is a very disciplined hitter and works the count. We could use a guy like him. And like his D a lot. Definitely could see him and Sanchez as a tandem in the Bronx one day.

    Hi jmills, I have a Topps rookie Wayne in excellent condition, but no O-Pee-Chee, unfortunately.

  13. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Blake…

    Want to cry? Because I can make you cry.

    If you buy my theory about Nardi, the Yankees could be entering this season with the following roster:

    C – d’Arnaud
    1b – Tex
    2b – Cano
    3b – Youk
    SS – Jeter
    LF – Gardner
    CF – Austin Jackson
    RF – Melky (if the Yankees have Hughes, Joba, Kennedy all in the rotation then they don’t trade Melky for Javy)
    DH – Montero

    Bench: Nunez, Cervelli, Canzler, Dickerson

    Rotation:
    CC, Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Nova

    Pen:
    LHRP – Dunn and Coke
    RHRP – Rivera, Garcia, Robertson, Phelps, Montgomery

  14. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Why would you put Garcia in the pen with that arsenal unless you were forced to? I saw all his starts in Trenton over two years, and his stuff was crazy including that killer changeup. Nats too have considered starting him because of multiple plus pitches.
    ———————

    Because of his multiple injuries.

    It became pretty obvious that Garcia couldn’t hold up as a starter.

  15. blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    How’d we get D’naurd?

  16. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Incidentally Blake – in that scenario the Yankees absolutely have enough to go out and get J-Ups.

  17. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    How’d we get D’naurd?
    ————

    Nardi was a big influence in the Brackman pick; maybe if they don’t take Brackman then they take D’Arnaud who was still on the board.

  18. blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    It’s tough to say we should have drafted D’naurd now….the draft is a crazy thing….there are all sorts of players that lots of teams wish they had drafted…..how many teams passed on Trout or Kemp?

  19. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Nardi was so bad overseeing the organization when it came to pitching.

  20. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    It’s tough to say we should have drafted D’naurd now….the draft is a crazy thing….there are all sorts of players that lots of teams wish they had drafted…..how many teams passed on Trout or Kemp?
    ———–

    I know, as I said it was complete speculation, but you have to understand that if I could I would see Nardi tarred and feathered and then tried for the Kennedy assassination.

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Should have kept Garcia and turned him back into a catcher ;).

    I would not trade an arm like Garcia’s, regardless of how he’s currently being categorized.

    Betances is the only comp, in terms of pure raw stuff, to Garcia that has come through Trenton in recent years.

    Those two are the most electric AA pitching prospects for us I’ve seen, and I’ve seen plenty live of both of ‘em. Those were the starts I virtually refused to miss.

    Whether he is a closer going forward or can get back to starting stamina, you hang onto a guy like that. I don’t dare fantasize that he’ll be a Yankee again.

  22. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Chip that’s rough

  23. blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    I saw Brackman pitch in college…. He looked like he could be a monster…..the Yanks do need to figure out a way to find more mason Williams and Tyler Austin’s in the draft though…..every year there are players taken later in the draft that nobody gives a 2nd thought to and those players then turn into quality big leaguers……

  24. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    In the catcher prospect vault, we also have Luis Torrens, and another Venezuelan IFA Jesus :( Aparicio (Seen either, Luis?) and that Czech catcher, Vavrusa, I forget his first name, who could maybe double as a skater for the Rangers in the off season. ;)

    Chip, I wouldn’t say that his being a starter was the reason he got hurt. He just rehabbed hard and really conditioned himself/strenthened his arm after his second TJS. And if Nats were worried about his durability, then why were they discussing potentially have Garcia start this season. I don’t think you can blame Garcia’s two TJS on the Yankees envisioning him as a starter, especially considering the limited number of innings he logged post-2005. He barely pitched any innings. So, not a sound argument in my estimate.

  25. blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Haha….that woukd have been a nice club though….I really hope Sanchez pans out….having a young stud catcher is the best….

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    Odds,

    I’ll go postal if Sanchez gets moved. His staying power in the organization is a great reason to pull the plug on Cashman now, before he has a chance to waste him.

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Yankeefem, luis gave a nice detailed report a while back of Torrens, who he has seen play in Venezuela. Too bad he’s like 16… won’t be able to help us anytime soon.

  28. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    “I’ll go postal if Sanchez gets moved”

    You should prepare yourself just in case

  29. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    @pgammo: Theo Epstein returns for Hot Stove, Cool Music http://t.co/PVJtyOw7 via @BostonDotCom

    Happy day!

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    And if Nats were worried about his durability, then why were they discussing potentially have Garcia start this season. I don’t think you can blame Garcia’s two TJS on the Yankees envisioning him as a starter, especially considering the limited number of innings he logged post-2005. He barely pitched any innings. So, not a sound argument in my estimate.
    ///

    Yes, I remember Rizzo talking about him potentially starting. That’s what reasonable people envision for starters with that kind of repertoire and quality stuff. He’s got that armsy delivery and also he had a knee injury, to boot. Maybe he’s run out of bad luck :D.

  31. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    Nardi was so bad overseeing the organization when it came to pitching.
    —————–

    I’ve speculated that the reason guys like Nova, Phelps, Warren have been successful for the Yankees whereas top level guys who were predicted for greatness never reached that level is because the second tier guys weren’t on Nardi’s radar as much.

    The Yankees have had 6 guys who were considered top of the rotation pitchers in their system: Hughes, Joba, Kennedy, Brackman, Betances, Banuelos – as well as two other high ceiling pitching prospects in Humberto Sanchez and Chris Garcia.

    Hughes and Kennedy are the only two starters left there. Joba was rushed and jerked around; Brackman was never good, Betances has fallen apart, his bubble wrap philosophy has retarded Banuelos’s progress, he never considered putting Garcia in the pen despite the multiple injuries he suffered as a starter and did nothing to develop Sanchez.

  32. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Also, sometimes relieving is rougher on the arm than starting. Relievers are up and down and their inconsistent innings can sometimes be more damaging on the arm than a greater # of more predictable innings.

  33. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    *for pitchers with that kind of repertoire and quality stuff.

  34. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    How is Warren already successful?

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Betances has fallen apart? That’s a bit of an exaggeration – he’s not injured and he had a decent enough AFL stint. They got carried away, IMO, trying to simplify him. Hopefully, Patterson or Aldred let him get back to what comes more naturally to him this coming year. He could put it together this season and then sky’s the limit for him.

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Joba was screwed up by the three stooges: Eiland, Eppler and Cashman.

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    Brackman was always oscillating between potential starter/reliever. And he was always high risk.

  38. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    How did they screw Joba up? Anybody should be able to start in the big leagues with 70+ innings of minor league time……that’s like almost half a season!

  39. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Brackman was definitely the riskiest of all the pitchers mentioned above. And Betances’s story is still being written.

  40. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    I and Garcia himself always thought that the Yankees would re-sign him. I pray he stays healthy. He has been through a lot.

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Chip, I wouldn’t say that his being a starter was the reason he got hurt. He just rehabbed hard and really conditioned himself/strengthened his arm after his second TJS. And if Nats were worried about his durability, then why were they discussing potentially have Garcia start this season. I don’t think you can blame Garcia’s two TJS on the Yankees envisioning him as a starter, especially considering the limited number of innings he logged post-2005. He barely pitched any innings. So, not a sound argument in my estimate.
    ///

    Guy was what, 25 when he left us? You’re not going to declare a young talent like that a bullpen lifer.

  42. jacksquat January 15th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
    I saw Brackman pitch in college…. He looked like he could be a monster…..the Yanks do need to figure out a way to find more mason Williams and Tyler Austin’s in the draft though…..every year there are players taken later in the draft that nobody gives a 2nd thought to and those players then turn into quality big leaguers……

    And Cashman should be given credit for those picks, if he is going to take so much heat for everything everyone thinks he does wrong.

  43. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    @ Prufrock If Sanchez is moved you will erupt like we have never seen before. Hopefully the kid can develop and stick as catcher.

    @ Chip very well said. He basically put the high end prospects in bubble wrap and Cash followed right along believing everything he was doing was right. It took him this long to say hmmm maybe its time for a change. I seriously believe when they started this develop pitching plan they had no idea what they were doing because they never had to develop pitching.

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    Brackman was definitely the riskiest of all the pitchers mentioned above. And Betances’s story is still being written.
    ///

    What concerns me with Betances is the clock. Big guys take longer, just the way it is. I’ve a hunch he’s going to figure it out, but perhaps not here. If that comes to pass, it’s going to really suck. But what would suck even more is having him ruined with their oversimplifying him, and taking away what makes his arm special, in an effort to make him useful here. I’d sooner see him traded.

  45. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Joba was screwed up by the three stooges: Eiland, Eppler and Cashman.
    ——————

    Nardi was the one who instituted the “Joba Rules”

  46. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    “And Cashman should be given credit for those picks, if he is going to take so much heat for everything everyone thinks he does wrong.”

    DO really runs the draft but yea the organization does deserve credit for piling up 4 legit top 50 position player prospects drafting where they do….I think aside from a couple of questionable picked theyve done a good job in recent drafts ….the key now is continuing to do it and getting guys to the big leagues

  47. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Speaking of destroying pitchers – is Joe Torre going to invite Proctor to be on the US team for the WBC just to blow out whatever’s left in his arm?

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    How did they screw Joba up? Anybody should be able to start in the big leagues with 70+ innings of minor league time……that’s like almost half a season!
    ///

    smh :)

  49. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Guy was what, 25 when he left us? You’re not going to declare a young talent like that a bullpen lifer.

    ———

    They did that to another pitcher when he was 23-24

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Chip January 15th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Joba was screwed up by the three stooges: Eiland, Eppler and Cashman.
    ——————

    Nardi was the one who instituted the “Joba Rules”
    ///

    Sorry, Eppler and Eiland declared him a bullpen lifer, and mealy mouth went along for the ride, after protesting 360 degrees otherwise.

    Major Fail.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Guy was what, 25 when he left us? You’re not going to declare a young talent like that a bullpen lifer.

    ———

    They did that to another pitcher when he was 23-24
    ////

    Right. His name escapes me… can you refresh my memory?

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    I have no particular throw-in with Contreras. Who gives him his marching orders, by the way?

  53. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    At least putting Joba in the pen kept him from getting hurt….oh wait

  54. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    blake January 15th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    I saw Brackman pitch in college…. He looked like he could be a monster

    ———-

    Before he got hurt the question was who was going to go number one Price or Brackman

  55. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    That’s from Cashman btw

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    “I’ll go postal if Sanchez gets moved”

    You should prepare yourself just in case
    ///

    Dude, don’tcha think Bri has thoroughly prepared us all for that? Sadly, I’ll be pleasantly surprised if it DOESN’T happen.

  57. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Guy was what, 25 when he left us? You’re not going to declare a young talent like that a bullpen lifer.

    ———

    They did that to another pitcher when he was 23-24 ////

    Right. His name escapes me… can you refresh my memory

    ——

    Hmmmm initials JC. I got it Justin Christensen lol

  58. blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    “Before he got hurt the question was who was going to go number one Price or Brackman”

    Pretty clear the Rays made the right choice with their pick there. I remember in 08 when they brought Price up for the playoffs to pitch out of the pen…..but then you know what they did after that?….they sent him back to AAA to start 2009 so he could stretch out and gain more experience starting before calling him up again …makes sense right

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Really, there is no excuse to move Sanchez. He’s more conventionally athletic than Jesus, has tremendous power and though not of Montero’s level, he’s also got a serious hit tool.

  60. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Just found this; Davy Johnson on Christian Garcia:

    “‘You can always go from starting and having that regular work which is also really good for building up arm endurance,’ the Nats’ manager continued, ‘and then go from that into a relief role. But it’s very hard once you start the season as a reliever. I think he’s real comfortable because he’s in the major leagues as a reliever and probably wouldn’t want to think about starting right now, but come next Spring it might be a good way to ensure the health of his arm. Relieving is a little more irregular, but with an arm like he’s got, starting might be a good option.’

    Johnson told reporters that he felt Garcia was essentially wasted as a one-inning reliever. He’d done his homework on the right-hander and even looked into the three surgeries Garcia had when considering the potential move to see if there was any reason to avoid doing what he planned.”

    http://www.federalbaseball.com.....pth-to-the

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    I’ll never forget Price as a rookie take on an indignant tone when asked about being in the bullpen. He fairly disdainfully expressed his “preference” for starting, after giving unconvincing lip service to “helping out where I can.” Now, we might have traded him then and there for petulance.

  62. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Perfect sense but the Yankees were trying to serve two masters smh. If you’re going to do something you have never done before wouldn’t it make sense to go about it the smart way. They honestly had no idea how to handle these pitchers .

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Johnson told reporters that he felt Garcia was essentially wasted as a one-inning reliever. He’d done his homework on the right-hander and even looked into the three surgeries Garcia had when considering the potential move to see if there was any reason to avoid doing what he planned.”

    http://www.federalbaseball.com…..pth-to-the
    ///

    I remember those quotes. Sure, any reasonable person… good thing the kid got away. Were he still here, we might have a Spring Training showdown between Garcia and Joba for the sixth inning :roll:

  64. Chip January 15th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    Yankeefem-

    If the Nats go that way they’re making a mistake. I agree the talent is there to be a starter but not the health. If a team makes him a starter they are essentially saying “his long term health is of little interest to us, we want to milk him for everything he’s got and if he blows out he blows out.”

  65. jacksquat January 15th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    blake January 15th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
    “Before he got hurt the question was who was going to go number one Price or Brackman”

    Pretty clear the Rays made the right choice with their pick there. I remember in 08 when they brought Price up for the playoffs to pitch out of the pen…..but then you know what they did after that?….they sent him back to AAA to start 2009 so he could stretch out and gain more experience starting before calling him up again …makes sense right

    That probably had more to do with getting another year out of him.

  66. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Perfect sense but the Yankees were trying to serve two masters smh. If you’re going to do something you have never done before wouldn’t it make sense to go about it the smart way. They honestly had no idea how to handle these pitchers .
    ///

    I do think we are in finer air, with Rothschild having replaced Eiland, who was a disaster.

  67. Jerkface January 15th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Good thinking by the Nats – hopefully the NYY can do some deals like this to manage 2014. Soriano gets his money eventually, but the deferral reduces the AAV (wonder what interest rate they use to discount the future pay).

    Salary deferment does not actually reduce the AAV as calculated for the luxury tax. It would be possibly for it to, but it depends on the interest rate that the money is given. The amount will then be adjusted up or down based on that.

  68. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Eiland turned the staff into pitch to contact guys

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    If a team makes him a starter they are essentially saying “his long term health is of little interest to us, we want to milk him for everything he’s got and if he blows out he blows out.”
    ///

    Ahem. I’m sure if you asked him, the kid would prefer to start. Christian Garcia is, shall we say, euphemistically speaking, a confident lad. He was furious he got drafted as low as he did, and only signed because it was the Yankees. Otherwise, he was prepared to go to South Carolina.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    Eiland turned the staff into pitch to contact guys
    ///

    Ugh. They needed to pitch Eiland to contact a lot sooner than they did.

  71. Jerkface January 15th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    This is, specifically, the section about deferred salary. I am not a tax accountant, so I have no idea about the valuation of this stuff:

    (i) Deferred Compensation shall be included in a Player’s
    Salary as if paid in the championship season to which it is attrib-uted under a Uniform Player’s Contract. If a Contract does not
    attribute Deferred Compensation, the Contract shall be treated as
    if the Deferred Compensation was attributed equally to each of
    the Guaranteed Years in the Contract.
    (ii) If the Deferred Compensation is to be paid with interest at
    an effective rate that is within one and one-half percentage points
    of the Imputed Loan Interest Rate for the first Contract Year cov-ered by the Contract, then the Deferred Compensation shall be
    111
    included at its stated value. Otherwise, the Deferred Compensa-tion shall be included at its present value in the season to which
    it is attributed, said present value to be calculated by increasing
    any such payments by the Contract’s stated interest rate, if any,
    and then reducing such payments back to their present value by
    applying as a discount rate the Imputed Loan Interest Rate for the
    first Contract Year covered by the Contract. If the terms of a Con-tract are confirmed by the Association and the Office of the Com-missioner before the Imputed Loan Interest Rate for the first
    Contract Year covered by the contract is available, the Imputed
    Loan Interest Rate shall be the annual “Federal mid-term rate” as
    defined in section 1274(d) of the Internal Revenue Code for the
    month preceding the month in which terms are confirmed. If a
    Uniform Player’s Contract uses the date or year in which a Player
    retires as a triggering event for the commencement of payment of
    the Deferred Compensation, it will be assumed for purposes of
    calculating Salary under this Article only that the Player retires
    on the day that he reaches age 40 or at the end of the Contract,
    whichever is later

  72. Against All Odds January 15th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    Yea he was a disaster but you’re right he was here way too long.

  73. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Chip, I doubt they would risk Garcia’s health, and the Nats think relieving is more damaging to Garcia’s arm than starting, as per above article. Interesting to see what they do now that Haren is also on the roster.

    Knowing the Rays propensity for moving their pitchers slowly through the system, I wonder how fast Guerrieri moves up with the Rays.

    As per Eiland and pitching to contact, that is why Cash went nuts when he realized he could get Pineda; Cash was dying to get his hands on a pitcher with swing and miss stuff, no matter how risky making that deal might be.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:48 pm

    Pineda was no further in 2011 as a starter than Chamberlain was when they gassed him.

  75. luis January 15th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Good evening guys,

    YF,

    I wrote a post a few minutes ago, but somehow it didn’t come through. Anyway, got your e-mail. Merry Christmas and a happy new year. I see JAP already answered. Yup, I saw him play. He is a bit raw, but has plenty of tools to stick at the C position. He doesn’t have the power of the Son, but he has a very good compact and leveled swing. Plus a great approach at the plate.

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Evening, primo! :D

    You must be busy these days, I barely see you among us.

  77. luis January 15th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    About JF post…. Excellent post…. About your question… I find it very hard for them to field a competitive team and at the same time going below 189 mil… Especially if you take in to account how thin the farm is at the upper levels, their over reliance on veterans or reluctance to use rookies and their known policy of not getting team friendly extensions. Add to that that the Son trade might have compounded things and we may be in for a long downward period.

  78. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Luis, many thanks for the greetings. Feliz Ano Nuevo! How have you been?

    Now I am recalling that you did post about Torrens, but the details elude me. Thanks for the info on him. Not many have the power of the Son. Have you seen Jesus Aparicio?

  79. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Sanchez’s power, along with his hit tool and improving catching skills, should be virtually untouchable, IMO.

  80. luis January 15th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
    Evening, primo!

    You must be busy these days, I barely see you among us.

    —————

    Primo!

    In deed! Even though today I scrolled through some of the previous articles posted to get in the loop.

    JF,

    Another thing…. This should have been a rebuilding year, instead they have chosen to postpone the inevitable for one more year.

  81. jacksquat January 15th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Jerkface January 15th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
    Good thinking by the Nats – hopefully the NYY can do some deals like this to manage 2014. Soriano gets his money eventually, but the deferral reduces the AAV (wonder what interest rate they use to discount the future pay).

    Salary deferment does not actually reduce the AAV as calculated for the luxury tax. It would be possibly for it to, but it depends on the interest rate that the money is given. The amount will then be adjusted up or down based on that.

    Someone posted a tweet that said the calculated AAV would be 11.8/year or something like that, so it sounds like the deferred money is without interest, since the present day value is much lower.

    It kind of looks like a save face sort of deal for Boras, with the 14/year “sticker price” matching what he would have got for 2013 from the Yankees if he hadn’t opted out.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=13096723

  83. luis January 15th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
    Luis, many thanks for the greetings. Feliz Ano Nuevo! How have you been?

    Now I am recalling that you did post about Torrens, but the details elude me. Thanks for the info on him. Not many have the power of the Son. Have you seen Jesus Aparicio?

    ———-

    Not yet… But I will see him at instructional league probably. He has a great baseball name though.

  84. luis January 15th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
    Sanchez’s power, along with his hit tool and improving catching skills, should be virtually untouchable, IMO.

    //////

    Pretty much…. Although I think he is not as good as you know who ;) ….. But probably he might stay long term at the C position.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    luis,

    The Son is the “purer” hitter. Five years…. :) Sanchez is going to be good, though.

  86. Jerkface January 15th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Someone posted a tweet that said the calculated AAV would be 11.8/year or something like that, so it sounds like the deferred money is without interest, since the present day value is much lower.

    It kind of looks like a save face sort of deal for Boras, with the 14/year “sticker price” matching what he would have got for 2013 from the Yankees if he hadn’t opted out.

    Yea thats what Bowden tweated, but I’m not sure if he is talking about pure AAV or the AAV as calculated for the luxury tax limit.

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Not yet… But I will see him at instructional league probably. He has a great baseball name though.
    ///

    Are they related?

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....als-k-rod/
    ///

    If this catching thread hasn’t depressed you enough, the embedded video in this article surely will:

  89. jacksquat January 15th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Jerkface January 15th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Yea thats what Bowden tweated, but I’m not sure if he is talking about pure AAV or the AAV as calculated for the luxury tax limit.

    I don’t see how it can be pure AAV, the total deal is 2/28 and the option year isn’t counted unless it actually happens.

  90. luis January 15th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Don’t think so…. but still ;)

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    luis January 15th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Don’t think so…. but still ;)
    ///

    :D need to clean house, first.

  92. Jerkface January 15th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    I don’t see how it can be pure AAV, the total deal is 2/28 and the option year isn’t counted unless it actually happens.

    I mean the actual value of it versus how the value is calculated for the CBT. I’m not an accountant so I don’t know if that would be correct or not. If its within that 1.5% interest rate the AAV is still 14 for the CBT purposes.

  93. luis January 15th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
    luis January 15th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Don’t think so…. but still
    ///

    need to clean house, first.

    /////

    :D. Hopefully by then

  94. luis January 15th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Got to go…good night folks

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    luis January 15th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
    luis January 15th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Don’t think so…. but still
    ///

    need to clean house, first.

    /////

    :D . Hopefully by then
    ///

    …It Is Written….:D

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    ‘night, primo. :)

  97. luis January 15th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    About Aparicio… I don’t know if they are related…

  98. charlestonchew January 15th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    OK – So the Mets balked at 2 years, 8 million for Scott Hairston? That has to be a joke. The Yankees should consider signing him at that price, but that’s assuming they’re willing to let one of granderson/cano go. And I think it’s obvious at this point that they are willing to do so.

  99. blake January 15th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: Interest in Farnsworth intensifying in wake of Soriano deal. Multiple offers, has narrowed choices from six teams to three.

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Would be cool if they were.

    Hey luis, you’re coming in May? The Son is at the Stadium the 14th,15th,16th during the week, and Trenton starts a homestand on Friday, the 17th. If you come on the 12th, the Thunder’s at home that Sunday, against The Fisher Cats, Toronto’s AA club, and that’s a day game… We could hit NYS and Waterfront Park during your visit :D

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    …and Melky and the Jays come in to the Stadium that Friday the 17th… interesting week of baseball…

  102. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    youtube.com/watch?v=louXPUW7tHU

  103. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders
    We’ll be holding an open house at PNC Field from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. January 26 that’s open to the public. Come check out the progress at the ballpark!

  104. yankeefeminista January 15th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=louXPUW7tHU

  105. Jerkface January 15th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    The editor in chief of Yankee Analysts got crushed today on his post about justin upton. Not by a lot of people or anything, but 1 guy scathed him. Dang. Though a place named Yankee Analysts probably should know the rules of the CBA

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock January 15th, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    YF, lol.

  107. blake January 15th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    “The editor in chief of Yankee Analysts got crushed today on his post about justin upton. Not by a lot of people or anything, but 1 guy scathed him. Dang. Though a place named Yankee Analysts probably should know the rules of the CBA”

    Was his name Patrick :)

  108. Jerkface January 15th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    No, I was helpful, it was a random internet person that scathed him :)

  109. blake January 15th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    How can you have a blog calling yourself Yankee Analysts not know that luxury tax is calculated off AAV?

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