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State of the organization: Center field

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 16, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Three years ago, the Yankees traded their center fielder of the future (who was basically ready for the big leagues) to acquire a center fielder of the present (who had a team-friendly contract through four more seasons). For the Yankees, the trade looked a lot better at this time last year, before Granderson took a step back and Jackson took a step forward. Now that Curtis Granderson is entering the final year of his contract, attention has shifted to the next wave of center fielders. It’s generally assumed that Granderson won’t be back next year — might not even be in center field this year — there are two players who can legitimately claim to be the Yankees center fielder of the future.

Brett Gardner
Second year of arbitration
I can’t tell you who exactly is going to play center field next season, but because the Yankees have acknowledged considering the idea of Gardner in center, I’m heading into spring training expecting that to happen. It’s not based on concrete facts — I honestly believe the Yankees are open to either option – but we’ve seen Granderson run a little less in recent years, my gut says that Gardner would be a better defensively, and it might make sense to go ahead and use Gardner in center now and go shopping for a left fielder next winter. Either way, the Yankees have options (even Ichiro Suzuki has proven he can still handle center if necessary). Gardner is an elite defensive player with speed. Granderson is, at the very least, one of the top power hitters in the game. The position is not a short-term concern for the Yankees.

On the verge
Speed, power and defense make Melky Mesa a tantalizing young player. Strikeouts make him a player who might never get more than the two Major League at-bats he had last season. In the minors last year, Mesa struck out 118 times, and that was actually his lowest single-season total since he reached full-season leagues. His Triple-A slash line of .230/.271/.524 pretty much tells the story of a guy who can hit the ball out (if he actually makes contact). Mesa can also run, but he is perhaps best known for failing to touch a base during his late-season call-up last year. He might be an all-or-nothing wild card, but Mesa does give the Yankees immediate depth in center. Zoilo Almonte has also played some center field in his career, and speedy Abe Almonte could be another option if he can build on a solid 2012 season in Trenton (and if he can get playing time on a crowded Scranton/Wilkes-Barre roster). Another name to watch here is Adonis Garcia. The Cuban outfielder played well in winter ball and could become an option if he hits.

Deeper in the system
I considered listing Slade Heathcott as an “on the verge” option, but I’m just not sure I buy Damon Oppenheimer’s optimism that Heathcott could be in the big leagues this year. Heathcott still hasn’t played above High-A Tampa, and although he was terrific in the Arizona Fall League, it’s hard to imagine the Yankees suddenly pushing Heathcott too hard (not when they’ve previously worked so hard just to keep him healthy). But even if he doesn’t arrive this year, Heathcott is on his way. So is Mason Williams. They are two of the Yankees truly elite prospects, and it seems likely that Heathcott will open this season in Double-A with Williams right behind him in High-A. Both have significant upside, but they still need some development time and some patience. Ravel Santana was a part of this conversation a year ago, but he struggled so badly in Staten Island last season — .216/.304/.289 — that his stock has taken a considerable hit.

On the move
Overshadowed on a stacked Charleston roster, 2010 10th-round pick Ben Gamel had a so-so first half last season, but after Williams was promoted, Gamel shifted from left field to center field and hit .320/.347/.419 in the second half. He doesn’t stand out in this system — and he might not see a ton of center field time considering the other options — but there’s something to like about him. It’s also worth noting that Ronnier Mustelier has played quite a bit of center field, including some time as a center field regular this winter. The Yankees have never shown signs of making that a go-to position for him, but he does have experience there. Like with shortstop, it’s rare to see a player shift from any other position into center field. It happens occasionally — Abe Almonte moved from second to center when he was extremely young — but for the most part, guys play their way out of center field, not into center field.

What to watch
There’s an fairly immediate decision to make. Are we going to see Gardner getting regular center field reps this spring? Are we going to see Granderson getting most of his time in left? The decision isn’t going to revolutionize the big league roster, but it’s going to be interesting to watch. For those who closely follow the minor leagues, it seems that every full-season team will have a center fielder worth watching. Can Mesa cut down on the strikeouts? Can Heathcott stay healthy? Can Williams carry his success to High-A? Can Santana get back on the prospect map (and will the Yankees make him repeat short-season ball)?

Associated Press photo; headshots of Gardner, Mesa, Heathcott, Williams and Gamel

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142 Responses to “State of the organization: Center field”

  1. jmills January 16th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Darren Oliver just accepted the Jay’s second year option at 3 mill; AA called his agent’s bluff at more or retirement. Welcome back Kotter,but,…hopefully you get rid of that nasty agent who conspires such stoopid releases.

  2. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Jack Z is a trash GM. I cannot believe Cashman got fleeced by a trash GM.

  3. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    Awesome, the Phelps or Nova for 1 year of Morse bunk can be put to rest…

    Would any of you trade Phelps or Nova for Jaso? You’d be crazy.

  4. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    That can be put to rest, and now we can ask why Cashman could not beat this offer

  5. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    I think Seattle did a fine job. They acquired a sought after bat and dealt from surplus without even scratching the surface of their minor league system.

  6. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Jerkface says:
    January 16, 2013 at 7:06 pm
    Jack Z is a trash GM. I cannot believe Cashman got fleeced by a trash GM.

    He’s the worst….why on earth woukd you trade Jaso for a year of morse?

    Rizzo worked it in this trade again…..he’s getting 2 more players in Addition to Cole. Besides the Strasburg mess he’s really killed it the last couple of years

  7. jmills January 16th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    If Oliver transpires at 87, there’s always the young lad, Loup, and god forbid, Cecil, although,…one never snows :) I might even call Plesac up!

  8. Giuseppe Franco January 16th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    The internet universe is obviously going batty right now with all the Te’o jokes but this one almost made me shoot water out of my nose.

    Jeff Darlington
    RT @sethmeyers21: These Te’o jokes are all very funny but let’s all try and remember that a person who never existed is dead.

  9. MTU January 16th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Who is AJ Cole ?

    That is who the Nats wound up with.

  10. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Also we can put to rest Greg Amsinger’s Morse for Cano fantasy package (oh i forget we’d be getting Storen and a piece of junk 2B in that deal.

    Morse is worth Jaso.

    I guess that rhymes with Cano.

  11. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    They didn deal from surplus unless they think Zunino is ready or unless they want Montero catching a lot

  12. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    MTU says:
    January 16, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    Who is AJ Cole ?

    That is who the Nats wound up with.

    One of the guys the Nats have up to get GIo last year….high upside starter and was Oaklands #3 prospect according to BA. Nats did very well IMO

  13. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Morse (and crapola) for Cano.

    Morse for Jaso.

    Same difference.

  14. MTU January 16th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Thanks Blake.

  15. RhapsodyInBlue January 16th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    With Kendry Morales and Raul Ibanez onboard to fill the DH, and Jaso moving to Oakland it certainly appears that Seattle is on the verge of giving Jesus Montero an opportunity to be the full time catcher in 2013.

  16. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    Considering the Yanks have zero catcher….Jaso woukd have been nice

  17. jmills January 16th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    MTU, don’t feel bad, I don’t know who Cole is either. Weird thing is, I know players of the seventies and eighties better than anything going on today. I put it down to sheer laziness :)

  18. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    I guess they could put Kendry Morales at first base (Smoak stinks), DH Ibanez vs. righties and DH Montero vs. lefties. It will be interesting to see how many games Montero catches. At this point though, he’s outhitting Smoak. They all are.

  19. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    @jonmorosi: For SEA, so much of this trade hinges on whether Jesus Montero can catch. He wasn’t even in the deal and he’s the key player.

  20. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Lets trade Austin Romine for Jesus Montero.

  21. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    I think the trade hinges on Zunino as well. He’s a spring training invitee.

    “Zunino batted .373 (41-for-110) with 35 RBI, 29 runs, 10 homers and 10 doubles in 29 games for the Everett (Wash.) AquaSox, the Class A short-season affiliate of the Mariners, before hitting .333 (17-for-51) with eight RBI, six runs, four doubles and three homers in 15 games for the Jackson (Tenn.) Generals of the Double-A Southern League.”

    He’s also a college catcher so he has some polish with the glove I would imagine.

  22. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    How does Jack Z still have a job….seriously …he’s the worst

  23. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Zunino is certainly their catcher of the future…. But morse is only signed one year….doesn’t make much sense to trade your catcher when you’re other one can’t catch full time and Zunino isn’t ready

  24. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    “Would any of you trade Phelps or Nova for Jaso? You’d be crazy.”

    Probably yea

  25. jmills January 16th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Quite a few hangers on up here are going to come out and expect a ring. I hope they get it of course, but the Jays were contending from ’83 to ’91 with nothing to show for it. Hell, we were fortunate things went well in the thereafter. As for me, I’ve got my radio counting pitches no matter swat Otto Velez.

  26. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Cole was probably Oaklands highest upside pitching prospect….

  27. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Well maybe Jack Z’s scouts are giving him confidence in Zunino.

  28. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Cole was probably Oaklands highest upside pitching prospect….

    Eh but he bombed hard in A ball. He is a borderline top 100 guy right now.

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    @jonmorosi: For SEA, so much of this trade hinges on whether Jesus Montero can catch. He wasn’t even in the deal and he’s the key player.
    ///
    How much will Jesus Montero catch in 2013?

    On Montero, there was the good, the bad and the promising. The good? Datz more than once said he had “great hands.” Montero also has a strong arm and according to a couple of people I have talked to he calls a surprisingly good game for a catcher with limited experience.

    The bad? He falls into bad habits, one of which is dropping to one knee, which hampers his ability to get good throws off. This is something he was told specifically to work on in the offseason.
    As for pitch framing, Datz said he made it a point to talk to the umpire at third base the next day after Montero caught and ask how he worked behind the plate.

    “The majority of those said he gives you a great look, hands are good, a little bit too much movement once and awhile,” Datz said. “He does lock in pitches, will carry some balls away from the strike zone once and awhile but for the most part was good to work behind for the umpire.”

    An interesting and important perspective.

    Going forward, Datz said he would like to see Montero “step up and take the bull by the horns, be the guy who wants to lead the pitching staff.” He said that he went through the normal ups and downs of a rookie catcher and that there were times when he wore down physically and mentally. In Montero’s second year, Datz would like to see a little more toughness.
    Datz finished up his evaluation of Montero with glimpses of the promising.
    “When he puts it together he is very good,” Datz said. “Blocking, receiving and footwork really came along. When he put it all together it is as good as it gets. We saw him throw out some pretty good base stealers. Still a work in progress and has a long way to go. We will challenge him again this year and continue to work with him this year and hopefully he will step up and do it.”

    On Montero, there was the good, the bad and the promising. The good? Datz more than once said he had “great hands.” Montero also has a strong arm and according to a couple of people I have talked to he calls a surprisingly good game for a catcher with limited experience.

    The bad? He falls into bad habits, one of which is dropping to one knee, which hampers his ability to get good throws off. This is something he was told specifically to work on in the offseason.

    As for pitch framing, Datz said he made it a point to talk to the umpire at third base the next day after Montero caught and ask how he worked behind the plate.

    “The majority of those said he gives you a great look, hands are good, a little bit too much movement once and awhile,” Datz said. “He does lock in pitches, will carry some balls away from the strike zone once and awhile but for the most part was good to work behind for the umpire.”

    An interesting and important perspective.

    Going forward, Datz said he would like to see Montero “step up and take the bull by the horns, be the guy who wants to lead the pitching staff.” He said that he went through the normal ups and downs of a rookie catcher and that there were times when he wore down physically and mentally. In Montero’s second year, Datz would like to see a little more toughness.

    Datz finished up his evaluation of Montero with glimpses of the promising.

    “When he puts it together he is very good,” Datz said. “Blocking, receiving and footwork really came along. When he put it all together it is as good as it gets. We saw him throw out some pretty good base stealers. Still a work in progress and has a long way to go. We will challenge him again this year and continue to work with him this year and hopefully he will step up and do it.”

    http://mynorthwest.com/374/217.....ch-in-2013

  30. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    So the A’s give up their best pitching prospect for Jaso. Seems like it is a Jaso for Morse swap.

    This is from baseball america on A.J. Cole.

    The Future: With his power arm, Cole has more upside than any A’s pitching prospect and projects as a possible frontline starter. He’ll get another crack at Stockton to open 2013.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Oops, sorry – that was a double post on Montero copy.

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Lets trade Austin Romine for Jesus Montero.
    ///

    Let’s.

  33. jmills January 16th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Alfred, we’re going to have to go to some Bisons games :) plus, the Knox gallery has some great abstract art, Rothkos et al! – great way to sublimate the b-ball grind.

  34. yankeefeminista January 16th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    Mariners Trade John Jaso For Michael Morse For Some Reason

    “The Seattle Mariners didn’t get Josh Hamilton. They didn’t get Nick Swisher, they haven’t seemed to pursue Michael Bourn, they haven’t gotten far with Andre Ethier, and they were turned down by Justin Upton. They didn’t get Mike Napoli. The Mariners were left with money and something of a need, but no obvious fits. Given such a circumstance, the Mariners had three options:

    (1) Sit tight for now and wait for better opportunities in the future
    (2) Search harder for a non-obvious fit
    (3) Do something dumb

    The Mariners, ultimately, opted for #3, as today they traded John Jaso for Michael Morse straight up, basically.”

    http://www.lookoutlanding.com/.....morse-mike

    That about sums it up. And sounds like Montero will indeed catch.

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    jmills January 16th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Alfred, we’re going to have to go to some Bisons games :) plus, the Knox gallery has some great abstract art, Rothkos et al! – great way to sublimate the b-ball grind.
    ///

    Rothko – great colors! Poor fellow. I’m in. :D

  36. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    “Eh but he bombed hard in A ball. He is a borderline top 100 guy right now.”

    He was real good in low A though….had a 2.07 ERA in 90+ innings there….he struggled at high A but that was only 38 innings and maybe he was getting tired

  37. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    @joe_sheehan: The #Mariners just made a win-now deal that makes them, relative to their competition, worse. Neat trick.

  38. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    From a strictly Jesus perspective, I like that he will have another decent hitter in the lineup. With Jaso/Montero, it would have been one or the other, without Olivo there.

  39. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    The Nats definitely still did good, but AJ Cole being the A’s current best pitching prospect says more about the state of their pitching prospects than AJ Cole. He didn’t just struggle, he had a 7 ERA and 14 hits per 9.

    That is almost inexplicable coming from what he did in low A.

  40. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    @DKnobler: A’s get Jaso and announce Kottaras DFA

    Wake up Cash….the dumpster has new fodder. Bin this case they should get him

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    If Granderson is still around, I don’t see him being moved to left.

  42. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    “The Nats definitely still did good, but AJ Cole being the A’s current best pitching prospect says more about the state of their pitching prospects than AJ Cole. He didn’t just struggle, he had a 7 ERA and 14 hits per 9.”

    Yea….don’t know what happened there….still a better return than Boone Logan though

  43. jmv January 16th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Good evening, guys! (And gals)

    Too many nice posters, I had to jump in

    Seems Montero will catch

    Hughes? Would have been nice 3 x 10. Bargain pitcher or a nice trade chip

    A- Rod is Pineda 2013 edition

    Still hate jmills and his Jays, LOL

  44. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Morse cost is officially Blake Treinen, AJ Cole, and A PTBNL.

    We could have easily topped that without losing any of our best prospects.

  45. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Wasn’t A.J. Cole traded from the Nats to the A’s for Gio Gonzales? So, the Nats trade Morse to get back the guy they traded away last year.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Well I guess you all can retire the Morse talk here. It’s all about The Justin now, I guess.

  47. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    On the won hand you have sports celebrities putting Morse in packages for Cano and the very instant a GM uses Jaso to get Morse, he got ripped off. So Morse is worth the centerpiece of a package for Cano (the one Chip was touting all afternoon) but giving up Jaso for Morse is just too much. Jaso is worth more than Morse. Cano though? Centerpiece.

  48. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Oh no Jerkface, according to the guy on MLB Network, we would have lost Cano in order to get back Morse. So yeah I guess we could have topped that package.

  49. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Hughes arbitration is also big news. He got way more than projected, which is eating into Cashman’s budget! Sucks.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Hey jmv! Happy New Year :D

    Yeah, the Mariners seem to think he’s a negotiable catcher. Can you imagine? Meanwhile, we had to fly Romine in from another coast to prevent Jesus from crouching behind the plate.

  51. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    “We could have easily topped that without losing any of our best prospects.”

    I think I would have rather had Jaso….wonder what crazy Jack woukd have given for Granderson

  52. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Yea I also would have accepted a trade for Jaso as he has a more obvious position + platoon benefit for the Yankees, but he was supposed to not be available.

    The Yankees should have acquired either of the 2 guys in this stupid deal!

  53. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    For further reference, baseball america had A.J. Cole ranked no.4 last year in the National’s ranking of their top 10 before he was traded to Oakland. It appears the Nats got their nice prospect plus this Brian kid and a player to be named later.

  54. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    When will Greg Amsinger come out and suggest that Jack Z flip Morse for Cano?

    Idiot.

  55. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Ohh that’s right, Jack Z got ripped off by trading Jaso for the player who was to be the centerpiece for a deal for Cano.

    Now he’s stuck with Cano I guess.

  56. J. Alfred Prufrock January 16th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Relax. We’ve got “excess” offense, and we’re willing to move it for a legit arm.

  57. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Cashman is going to pick up Kotteras off the waiver wire to hit .200 with some HRs next year. And I’ll take it!

  58. blake January 16th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Kotteras is probably better than the catchers we have….he hits left handed anyways

  59. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Morse is just going to be available again on July 31. The Mariners are not going anywhere in that division.

  60. Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    “Who is AJ Cole ?”

    He is the b*st*rd clone-child of AJ Burnett and Gerritt Cole.

    His success hinges on whether he ends up with both Cole’s talent and AJ’s ink or AJ’s head issues and Cole’s smooth, un-tatted skin.

  61. jmv January 16th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Hey, JAP! HNY too

    Romine for Montero? Like it!… After this trade, Jack Z’s phone won’t top ringing… A lot of GM’s asking for bargains

    Let’s hope Pineda comes back strong

  62. blake January 16th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Jerkface says:
    January 16, 2013 at 7:58 pm
    Cashman is going to pick up Kotteras off the waiver wire to hit .200 with some HRs next year. And I’ll take it!

    Can’t wait for that Stewie/Kotteras platoon…. Sadly that is an upgrade over what they currently have

  63. yankeefeminista January 16th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Ah, I wouldn’t go overboard on how Cole fared at A+. It was a sss; he’s still working on a change and his lefty splits were pretty glaring, which may have been a factor in the numbers. Plus he just turned 21 and has a huge fastball. I wouldn’t give up on him so soon.

  64. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    “Who is AJ Cole ?”

    He is the b*st*rd clone-child of AJ Burnett and Gerritt Cole.

    His success hinges on whether he ends up with both Cole’s talent and AJ’s ink or AJ’s head issues and Cole’s smooth, un-tatted skin.

    ______________

    Shucks, I was hoping he was related to Gary Cole.

  65. Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    “Kotteras is probably better than the catchers we have….he hits left handed anyways”

    Does Seattle try to grab him now?

  66. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Cliff Lee for Smoak
    Jaso for 1 year of Morse

    Dumb, dumb Jack Z

    Pineda for Jesus Montero

    GENIUS!!!

  67. Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    “Shucks, I was hoping he was related to Gary Cole.”

    He might be related to Gary Coleman. I can see him shaking off his catcher now.

    “Whatchoo talking ’bout, Jesus?”

  68. blake January 16th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    @jonmorosi: A’s previously signed George Kottaras to a one-year, $1 million contract. So he’s attached to that if A’s trade him.

    He’s out then

  69. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    I wouldn’t give up on him so soon.

    Its not giving up on AJ Cole, just looking at his value after having a really terrible showing in A+. Its not like Oakland gave up a huge prospect. It’d be like the Yankees giving up Betances.

  70. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Oakland’s real pitching prospects are in their big league rotation.

  71. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    They always say the coverup is worse than the crime. But with Manti Te’o, the crime is a coverup that the girlfriend ever existed. And now Te’o is potentially covering up that he knew nothing. So is the coverup of the coverup, oh my brain hurts.

  72. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    “Shucks, I was hoping he was related to Gary Cole.”

    He might be related to Gary Coleman. I can see him shaking off his catcher now.

    “Whatchoo talking ’bout, Jesus?”

    ____________

    But where does Mr. Drummond fit in? Would he be the new pitching coach?

  73. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    The guy takes imaginary friends to a whole new level. Thank you Twitter.

  74. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Lotta speculation now on twitter that Manti is gay and that is the reason for it. Would flip this story from hilariously weird & twisted to potentially ground breaking as the media is forced to scrutinize the culture of football that would force someone to go to such lengths to avoid their sexuality being revealed.

  75. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Notre Dame is doing a press conference on ESPN now, if anyone is interested.

  76. FiretheUMPIRE January 16th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    But will the media rest if they find out Manti is in fact gay? I think they’d want to know who he’s dating. There is a bit on YouTube where Sasha Baren Cohen in his Bruno character goes to an Alabama football game, slithers into the locker room with a media pass and interviews the Tide running back. The question that stifles the young RB is “Are you allowed to date other members of the team or do you have to wait until the season is over?” It’s really funny if you like Sasha Baren Cohen.

  77. blake January 16th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Jack Z may have given us Jaso AND Montero for Granderson!

  78. Tar January 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Maybe Morse’s contract was just too expensive for the Yankees. We all really should just be grateful that Hal has spent as much as he has. No need to add anymore payroll. With Hal’s direction we are certain to achieve the highest goal of the NY Yankees——-189

    :mad:

  79. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Notre Dame taking the position, as far as i can take from it, Manti is a victim, he knew nothing about this being a hoax, took no part in it, and they are standing by Manti as a victim.

  80. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    ND is a scummy university. Covering up sexual assaults/rapes, and doubling down on Manti being a victim of a hoax. How does a victim spend 8 hours a night on the phone with a hoax?

  81. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    ND is a scummy university. Covering up sexual assaults/rapes, and doubling down on Manti being a victim of a hoax. How does a victim spend 8 hours a night on the phone with a hoax?

    _____________

    I have to agree with this.

  82. Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    “But where does Mr. Drummond fit in? Would he be the new pitching coach?”

    I’m not allowed to go any further with this line of humor without commenter G. Love being around. He is tops when it comes to Diff’rent Strokes references and he could work in Kimberly, Mrs. Garrett, Dudley, etc.

  83. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    From what i can tell, Notre Dame claims Manti found the whole thing was a hoax on or around Dec. 7, 2012 at an ESPN award show in Orlando. He then waits until December 23, 2012 to tell the “football family” (their words) of the situation. Notre Dame now hiding behind student privacy about some details, even though loved when Manti was opening up to this “personal” story throughout the Fall 2012.

  84. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    “But where does Mr. Drummond fit in? Would he be the new pitching coach?”

    I’m not allowed to go any further with this line of humor without commenter G. Love being around. He is tops when it comes to Diff’rent Strokes references and he could work in Kimberly, Mrs. Garrett, Dudley, etc.

    _____________

    And what about the infamous episode with the guy that tries to take advantage of Arnold and his friend. How did that one get on the air? I think you have to include David Hasselhoff and Kit, because I seem to remember a visit to the Knight Rider set or soundstage.

  85. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    What was the name of the stepmom, she later was on the Designing Women with Annie Potts? Not the actress, but the character’s name?

  86. yankeefeminista January 16th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Amanda Comak@acomak
    The #nats announce the deal: Michael Morse to Seattle for A.J. Cole, RHP Blake Treinen and a PTBNL from Oakland.

  87. yankeefeminista January 16th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Its not giving up on AJ Cole, just looking at his value after having a really terrible showing in A+. Its not like Oakland gave up a huge prospect. It’d be like the Yankees giving up Betances.
    ______
    Which would be dumb because his value is down. I get the hypothetical diminished value argument in Cole’s case, but he is 21, in A ball and didn’t have control issues. I would doubt either the A’s or Nats when scouting him would base their evaluation on a 38 IP sample size. If the A’s made that conclusion based on 38 IP in A+ vs. not thinking his slider would develop, and he was more a BP arm then that is a different, but would also be a premature judgment. Suffice it to say, I wouldn’t have given him up for one year of Morse.

    Your thoughts as a Mariners fan!

    Its not giving up on AJ Cole, just looking at his value after having a really terrible showing in A+. Its not like Oakland gave up a huge prospect. It’d be like the Yankees giving up Betances.
    ______
    Which would be dumb because his value is down. I get the hypothetical diminished value in Cole’s case, but he is 21, in A ball and didn’t have control issues. I would doubt either the A’s or Nats when scouting him would base their evaluation on a 38 IP sample size.

  88. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Exclusively an online relationship Notre Dame, really? Really???

  89. yankeefeminista January 16th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Sorry about that post. Bad copy and paste. :oops:

  90. jacksquat January 16th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    The Nats definitely still did good, but AJ Cole being the A’s current best pitching prospect says more about the state of their pitching prospects than AJ Cole. He didn’t just struggle, he had a 7 ERA and 14 hits per 9.

    That is almost inexplicable coming from what he did in low A.

    It was 38 innings…

    He was ranked #57 of top 100 pre 2012. We don’t have that now in terms of pitching prospects.

    Dumb trade for Seattle though.

  91. yankeefeminista January 16th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    The “your thoughts as a Mariner fan” was from the poll on lookout landing meant for Rosy. lol:

    1%
    Love it (4 votes)
    5%
    Like it (12 votes)
    7%
    Ehh (18 votes)
    10%
    Don’t like it (23 votes)
    19%
    Hate it (44 votes)
    56%
    Really deeply f***in hate it (129 votes)

    Rosy, I assume you are in the last group?

  92. Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    The child molestation episode with Gordon Jump at the comic book store owner is the bread and butter, no, the veritable alpha and omega of Diff’rent Strokes references here. If you scroll through the wiki episode summaries, that was just one of many “very special” episodes.

    No idea about the name of the step-mom, I actually bailed on that show very early as something to really watch. Or at least that’s what I’ve convinced myself.

  93. Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Back to the trade… wasn’t our pal Jaso quoted here JUST TODAY about how much he loved Seattle and the air and the green mountains?

    Wait ’til he gets a load of Mt. Davis! :twisted:

  94. jacksquat January 16th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
    Lotta speculation now on twitter that Manti is gay and that is the reason for it. Would flip this story from hilariously weird & twisted to potentially ground breaking as the media is forced to scrutinize the culture of football that would force someone to go to such lengths to avoid their sexuality being revealed.

    Nah, he would still just be looney tunes.

  95. Chip January 16th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Interesting trade for all three teams.

    Mariners roster still seems really odd – they’re clearly ignoring the defensive side of the ball in favor of trying to add as many sluggers as possible.

    I mean right now what are they looking at:

    C – Montero
    1b – Morse
    2b – Ackley
    3b – Seager
    SS – Ryan
    LF – Ibanez
    CF – Saunders
    RF – Bay/Carp
    DH – Morales

    Better hope that their pitchers don’t give up any fly balls.

    Jaso’s a nice add for Oakland, I’m sure someone will come knocking for him mid season if they fall out.

    Cashman should go out and get Kotteras now that he’s been cut.

  96. blake January 16th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    “Cashman should go out and get Kotteras now that he’s been cut.”

    He’s not that great but he’d be an upgrade I guess

  97. Tar January 16th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    “Cashman should go out and get Kotteras now that he’s been cut.”

    Probably costs too much.

  98. blake January 16th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Sherman once again accurate on his reporting…. Said Morse would sign within 72 hrs and the Yanks werent involved

  99. blake January 16th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Morse woukd be traded I should say

  100. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Nah, he would still just be looney tunes.

    Depends on what the truth is. Still looney if he killed a fake girlfriend for publicity to try and win a heismann while also being gay. But not so looney if he made a fake perfect girlfriend so his parents would get off his back, told them she died so they’d shut up about her, and then his parents told the media which escalated this crap. That would be less loony.

  101. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    I’m pretty sure Kotteras wont fall to the Yankees on waivers, but if he does there is no way Cashman can pass on him.

  102. blake January 16th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Yea I agree….Kotteras would at least give them a left right platoon

  103. jacksquat January 16th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
    Nah, he would still just be looney tunes.

    Depends on what the truth is. Still looney if he killed a fake girlfriend for publicity to try and win a heismann while also being gay. But not so looney if he made a fake perfect girlfriend so his parents would get off his back, told them she died so they’d shut up about her, and then his parents told the media which escalated this crap. That would be less loony.

    How would faking his grandmother’s death tie into that?

  104. coney1 January 16th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand

    With no Morse, I’d say it is Hairston or Yanks likely just go with Diaz/Canzler.

    —–

    HAHAHA!!!! You can’t be serious

  105. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    How would faking his grandmother’s death tie into that?

    His grandmother is fo real dead.

  106. Shame Spencer January 16th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Just seeing the news now… Jaso for MORSE?! WHAT???? Does MTU know about this? Jack Z is an idiot. Whenever people on here talk about how none of the LoHud posters could do a better job than a real GM, they are vastly overestimating the intelligence of other people.

    This is ridiculous.. Granderson for Jaso would have been a great move to make. We mightve been able to get Jaso without Grandy lol!!!

    Mother$*#!

  107. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    The “love of my life,” but only an online relationship?

  108. blake January 16th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Granderson should have gotten you more than Jaso if we are talking about fair value

  109. MTU January 16th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Yes Shame. I know.

    I commented on it earlier.

    Rosy told me I could not have him so I dropped it a while back.

  110. blake January 16th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    @JeffWilson_FWST: It’s a five-year, $55 million deal for Matt
    Harrison. He passed his physical tonight. #Rangers

  111. Shame Spencer January 16th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    blake January 16th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Jack Z may have given us Jaso AND Montero for Granderson!

    —————-

    From Team Greedy’s perspective, we could have gotten both Jaso AND Morse and still not given up a whole lot.

    That’s a great deal for the A’s.

  112. Shame Spencer January 16th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Warren and Logan for Morse and Granderson or Gardner for Jaso…?

  113. blake January 16th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    If Harrison will sign a 5/55 extension then Hughes should sign like a 4/32 one or something….Harrison has been better than Highes and he’s left handed. That deal gives the Yanks at least some frame of reference if they wanted to approach him

  114. blake January 16th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    “From Team Greedy’s perspective, we could have gotten both Jaso AND Morse and still not given up a whole lot.”

    Hey maybe we can get the guy the As cut so they could get Jaso!!

  115. Shame Spencer January 16th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    What was the name of the stepmom, she later was on the Designing Women with Annie Potts? Not the actress, but the character’s name?

    —————-

    Is it Dixie Carter, Jean Smart, or Delta Carter?

  116. Shame Spencer January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Rosy told me I could not have him so I dropped it a while back.

    —————–

    You gave up to easily but at least you’ll never be as disappointed as blake .. they never listen to him.

  117. Giuseppe Franco January 16th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Dixie Carter is the answer to above question regarding the former Designing Women/Different Strokes star.

  118. blake January 16th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    “You gave up to easily but at least you’ll never be as disappointed as blake .. they never listen to him.”

    My master plan is to never talk about buster posey….then maybe they’ll get him !

  119. austinmac January 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    One more player off the list. What an off season.

  120. MTU January 16th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Mac-

    Just eat your gruel and smile.

    Time for some real baseball.

    :)

  121. Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    I think Shame is under the influence, but Giuseppe Franco, what’s your excuse???

    (the question was the character’s name, not that of the actress)

  122. Against All Odds January 16th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Next off season will probably be worse

  123. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    I think Shame is under the influence, but Giuseppe Franco, what’s your excuse???

    (the question was the character’s name, not that of the actress)

    _____________

    She had that annoying kid with her too.

  124. jacksquat January 16th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
    How would faking his grandmother’s death tie into that?

    His grandmother is fo real dead.

    I thought the article linked here said they couldn’t find any death records?

  125. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    I thought the article linked here said they couldn’t find any death records?

    _____________

    I am not sure what article you are referring to, but everything i have been reading is that the grandmother passed away and that there is no death record with social security for the now fake girlfriend.

  126. blake January 16th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    What is shame under the influence of?

  127. Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    I’m not convinced he even had a grandmother.

  128. jacksquat January 16th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Kottaras 16% CS career.

  129. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    I thought the article linked here said they couldn’t find any death records?

    Of the girlfriend

  130. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 16th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    I found this on mlbtraderumors. Interesting question about whether Yankees would go after Donnie Baseball after this season if Girardi does not perform well. My guess is not, as long as Cashman is the GM.

    * Yankees. Because the Yankees generally don’t pursue extensions before contracts expire, manager Joe Girardi has little room to negotiate, no matter how much his record with the team may make him seem like a no-brainer extension candidate. Hypothetical scenario: if Mattingly is fired by the Dodgers after a winning (but non-playoff) season and the Yankees don’t at least win the AL pennant, just imagine how heavily the New York media will push the idea of the Yankees bringing Mattingly back to the Bronx as the team’s new manager.

  131. Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    “What is shame under the influence of?”

    That I do not know.

  132. blake January 16th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    jacksquat says:
    January 16, 2013 at 9:39 pm
    Kottaras 16% CS career.

    Yea he can’t throw a lick…. But he’s know. To be a decent defender otherwise and he draws walks and has some power….you ain’t getting a guy off the scrap heap without warts

  133. randy l. January 16th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    “When he puts it together he is very good,” Datz said. “Blocking, receiving and footwork really came along. When he put it all together it is as good as it gets. We saw him throw out some pretty good base stealers. Still a work in progress and has a long way to go. We will challenge him again this year and continue to work with him this year and hopefully he will step up and do it.”

    j.a. p.

    i said after watching him catch a minor league game that he could catch. montero does have quick hands and receives the ball nicely. and he’s into it. he wants to catch.
    it’s kind of fun watching all the montero haters going ” oh crap, he can catch”.

  134. blake January 16th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Can we go after the Dodgers ownership group instead?

  135. Jerkface January 16th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    We have 3 right handed catchers on the 40 man, so I’ll take Kotteras with ease. He will most likely suck, but suck less than the other suck wads on the 40.

  136. Against All Odds January 16th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Of the gf

  137. Triple Short of a Cycle January 16th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Gordon Jump played a bike shop owner.

    Maggie was the step Mom’s name

  138. blake January 16th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    A Kotteras/Romine platoon might be the best we can hope for…..but JF is right….I doubt he even makes it to the Yanks

  139. Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Montero lovers and haters alike :arrow:

  140. Giuseppe Franco January 16th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Nick in SF January 16th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    I think Shame is under the influence, but Giuseppe Franco, what’s your excuse???

    (the question was the character’s name, not that of the actress)

    ——–

    I’m under the influence too….painkillers for an achy back. But I can’t honestly blame those little pills on my lack of reading comprehension.

    Locating her character’s name is nothing a quick search on IMDB can’t solve.

  141. GradyJ January 16th, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Thank you for giving the Yankees minors some credit! All I ever hear from the mainstream media is how the Yankees are an aging roster with little help on the way. It might be tough for a year or two with Hal’s fiscally responsible stand, but in the long run Hal’s thinks makes sense. Unlike many other teams, the Yankees have learned how low of a payout long-term contracts give a team. Signing Josh Hamilton, for example, would make no sense. I guarantee he does not live up to his contract by the third year. The MLB is changing. Who would have ever thought the Orioles or A’s would make the playoffs last year? Younger seems to be working better, and I would not be surprised if the Orioles snuck up on everyone again this year. Good luck Yankees in 2013!

  142. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 16th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    How do some of you get to post so much during the day? Unless your job is to monitor lohud, are you companies really that slow? Or are they that slow because their productivity level is down…

    ;)

    Happy Phil has his one-year deal in hand. Generically speaking, the psychology of one-year deals isn’t necessarily bad. For some it can be a motivator, for others no motivation is needed. I guess it can work in reverse for some also. The human psyche is a crazy cat, and certainly one size doesn’t fit all. To assume that would be to sometimes try to fit a square peg into a round hole.

    Part of a what a good organization should endeavor to do, IMO, is to know its players as individuals and act accordingly. Had the Yanks done that with Joba, again IMO, he might be in the starting rotation today. On the other hand, maybe they don’t have the time or energy to do something like that. Or maybe they don’t care enough to do it. I like to look at all facets of organizational life, look at the ideal, and then see if there is any kind of union at all.

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