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Odds and ends and random thoughts

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 17, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Just a few leftovers from the past 24 hours or so…

• The Red Sox finally got their Mike Napoli deal done. What was originally a three-year, $39-million agreement was cut to one year, $5 million after Napoli’s physical revealed concerns about his hip. There are incentives that could make Napoli’s deal worth roughly $13 million this season, but my gosh, that physical must have shown something ugly for the guaranteed money to be knocked down so much.

• Is Napoli a bargain at that price? He might be, but if he’s going play enough to be considered a bargain, he’s also going to make a lot more than $5 million. Can you imagine if the Yankees — in the wake of Alex Rodriguez’s surgery and with all the age/injury concerns on this roster — had a signed a guy with a known hip issue? I think this blog might have exploded.

• Speaking of right-handed DH options, Mike Morse was traded last night, and not to the Yankees. Turns out, the going rate for one year of Morse was a high-risk, high-upside pitching prospect, plus a solid pitching prospect whose future might be in the bullpen, plus a PTBNL. I wonder if Rafael DePaula and Dellin Betances might have been a comparable Yankees alternative. 

• In the fallout of the Morse trade, the Yankees might find something useful. It was a three-team deal, and at the end of it, Oakland’s lefty hitting catcher George Kottaras was designated for assignment. He’s still in his arbitration years and is a career .226/.315/.436 hitter against right-handers. It’s worth noting that Francisco Cervelli is a career .317/.414/.393 hitter against lefties. Combining their career numbers — Kottaras vs. righties, Cervelli vs. lefties — gives those two a career .765 OPS as a platoon combination. Matt Wieters had a .764 OPS last year. Of course, that’s only relevant if you assume those career numbers would play out in the course of a full season together (and clearly every team in baseball would rather have Wieters, just pointing out that a .764 OPS is pretty good for the position).

• By trading John Jaso and acquiring yet another LF/1B/DH option, the Mariners basically left themselves little choice but to make Jesus Montero their regular catcher. For those who have been long arguing that he’s good enough to stay behind the plate — and for those who have been long arguing that he’s not — it’s going to be fascinating to see him give it a shot at the big league level. If Montero fails, the Mariners do have one of the game’s top catching prospects.

• There’s so much deferred money in Rafael Soriano’s deal with the Nationals that, Buster Olney says, other GMs and agents are treating it’s present-day value as roughly $11 million. I’m not entire sure why that matters — I guess in terms of setting the market for other players – but it’s interesting.

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285 Responses to “Odds and ends and random thoughts”

  1. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    “Can you imagine if the Yankees — in the wake of Alex Rodriguez’s surgery and with all the age/injury concerns on this roster — had a signed a guy with a known hip issue? I think this blog might have exploded.”

    Why? If they thought that Napoli needed surgery, he’d probably be having it now.

    It was dumb if the Yankees didn’t offer Napoli and identical contract.

  2. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    blake says:
    January 17, 2013 at 9:59 pm
    I asked Wally and he said he had a source in the Yankee org that said the Yanks were on it…..but that clashes with other reports that say that his 4 teams this year are the Cubs, sox, Jays, and Mariners……so if that part is inaccurate then the rest likely is as well

  3. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    “wonder if Rafael DePaula and Dellin Betances might have been a comparable Yankees alternative. ”

    I think so yea….but my guess is they woukd have wanted Cole back anyways

  4. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Was Napoli shopping the identical contract around?

  5. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    I didn’t even know I had the Oprah channel

  6. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    I didn’t even know I had the Oprah channel

    ————-

    It took me a solid half hour to find it. Btw, Lance also said he sued so many people he wasn’t sure who exactly was on the list lol. This is fantastic tv.

  7. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    @RonanFarrow

    I mean, who among us can remember who we’re suing, right?

  8. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    “Was Napoli shopping the identical contract around?”

    There was obviously a delay in finalizing the prior offer/acceptance, which resulted in negotiations that produced a contract at a reduced amount. So there was no contract prior to that agreement. By definition, there was an ability for another team to make an offer.

  9. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Does MLB test for EPO

  10. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    If he’s suing Manti Te’O’s imaginary girlfriend, that would be a good cross-promotion.

  11. MTU January 17th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Let’s roll with what we’ve got.

    What the heck ?

    ;)

  12. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    “Ehh, I uh.. Called her crazy..”

    “You did!!”

    “I did… I did. …I called her crazy, I called her a b*tch… but I didn’t call her fat. She thought I called her fat.”

    “You called her the wh*re word.”

    ….Again.. this is great television. Sad. for sure. But I can’t get over this interview.

  13. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Would Manti Te’O subnit to an interview with Oprah?

  14. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    Well as long as you didn’t call her fat…..

  15. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    So the Yankees were dumb not to tell Napoli’s agent what, that they’d give him X dollars more than whatever he and the Sox agreed to?

    Was Napoli’s agent dumb not to call other teams and ask if they would top what the Sox offered?

  16. MTU January 17th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    If Oprah gets the DB Cooper interview I’ll definitely watch that one.

    :)

  17. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Does MLB test for EPO

    —————-

    Would EPO help MLB players the same way it would cyclists? I’m not saying it’s not a PED, but I thought the whole point was to get you more red blood cells so you could like….. bike forever.

    I guess for MLB guys, it would help them do longer workouts?

  18. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    “So the Yankees were dumb not to tell Napoli’s agent what, that they’d give him X dollars more than whatever he and the Sox agreed to?”

    Why use “X,” why not $5m for one year.

    “Was Napoli’s agent dumb not to call other teams and ask if they would top what the Sox offered?”

    Yes.

  19. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    im not clear on whether teams respect each other’s announced contracts or whether agents can or do accept opposing bids after an announcement of an agreement.

  20. MTU January 17th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Or if she gets the guys who escaped Alcatraz who they said perished.

    Now that would be TV.

    ;)

  21. Jerkface January 17th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    There were multiple reports of other teams being in it on Napoli after the original deal got thrown off by the physical. The only one refuting it so far was Duquette and he only refuted the Rangers making an offer.

  22. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    also consider that maybe the yankees and other teams knew that there was ‘a problem’ with his medicals, and they didnt have access to know exactly what the situation was.

    idk that this is what happened, but i think jumping to the conclusion that the yankees or any other team should have or could have signed napoli during the prolonged negotiations is sketchy at best.

  23. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    I’m more annoyed they missed out on Jaso than Napoli.

  24. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    Of course, they knew. If there wasn’t a problem, the prior offer/acceptance would have been finalized.

    You gain access by engaging the agent in negotiations.

    It’s hardly sketchy to understand that before a contract is finalized that one can make an offer to any player. That’s contract law.

  25. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    “Why use “X,” why not $5m for one year.”

    X is the amount of dollars more than $5M the Yankees were supposed to have offered.

    It sounds like everyone but the Red Sox were dumb in this process. Hate it when that happens.

  26. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    so you know for a fact that the agent was accepting other offers? you dont.

    ‘reports’ of other teams ‘being in’ on napoli mean nothing. ‘being in can mean anything including putting in a call to say if it doesnt work out, we’re interested.

    and the yankees could have been one of those teams for all you know.

  27. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    “X is the amount of dollars more than $5M the Yankees were supposed to have offered.”

    Why did they have to offer more than $5m?

    “”It sounds like everyone but the Red Sox were dumb in this process. Hate it when that happens.”

    You should. They got a player who they were willing to give a three year contract at more more for a one year contract at lesser money. The injury issue they identified doesn’t require immediate surgery (or perhaps any surgery), otherwise he would be having surgery.

  28. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    “so you know for a fact that the agent was accepting other offers? you dont.”

    He would be breaching his fiduciary duty if he didn’t.

  29. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    —————-

    “Would EPO help MLB players the same way it would cyclists? I’m not saying it’s not a PED, but I thought the whole point was to get you more red blood cells so you could like….. bike forever.”

    Nah….I was just wondering if they tested for it

  30. MTU January 17th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Shame-

    It’s all Rosy’s fault.

    She broke my will.

    Told me there was no way.

    :(

  31. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    id say the key question here is whether ‘other teams’ had a chance to see his medicals.

    if they knew there was a medical problem holding up the red sox deal but didnt have access to these medicals it would have been irresponsible to make a huge bid to sign him.

  32. MTU January 17th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Before that I locked onto him like laser beam.

    Some said it was bordering on obsession but all I wnated was a companion for Romine.

    :(

  33. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    “He would be breaching his fiduciary duty if he didn’t”
    ====================================
    thats not true. agents choose not to negotiate with certain parties all the time under all different circumstances. and this is a circumstance where they had an unfinished agreement in place and negotiations were ongoing.

    you’re a lawyer, right? then you know this is true.

  34. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    MTU January 17th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Before that I locked onto him like laser beam.

    Some said it was bordering on obsession but all I wnated was a companion for Romine.

    :(

    ————–

    No one thought they were going to move him, myself included. Especially for that price…

    I’m way more surprised we didn’t try to target Jaso since all it took was a year of Morse.

  35. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:31 pm

    Holy sh*t, this is a TWO part interview??? 3 hours worth of this after she got him to cop to everything in the first 2 minutes?

    I’m officially impressed lol. I’m gonna play a drinking game to this tomorrow. What should my trigger be?

  36. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    We have a Livestrong treadmill that is used to dry clothes on mostly

  37. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    ” I’m gonna play a drinking game to this tomorrow. What should my trigger be?
    ——————————————
    id go with ‘jerk’

  38. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    “Why did they have to offer more than $5m?”

    Now you’re quibbling with my variable? So the Yanks weren’t supposed to offer more, they were supposed to get Napoli to come to terms with the Sox and then sign the exact same contract with the Yankees?

    We should probably be saying $5M-$13M for the sake of accuracy.

    “They got a player who they were willing to give a three year contract at more more for a one year contract at lesser money. ”

    Not quite. If they were willing to sign Napoli for 3/$39M, then he’s the super-dumb one for turning that down and taking this lesser contract.

    Actually, they were conceptually willing to offer him that, but then things got a little hanky with the medicals and he’s ending up with somewhere between $5M and $13M. We don’t really know if they’re ending up with a bargain or a headache or something in between.

  39. MTU January 17th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    Shame-

    My not so secret secret was that I knew Jerk Z was desperate for O and could afford to move Jaso for other items.

    I thought we had said items.

    That, and that he is Jerk Z.

    Anyway. What’s done is done.

  40. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    They probably aren’t going to say the word ‘jerk’ a lot… and once you open a bottle of wine you gotta finish it or it goes bad. Maybe ‘c@ncer’ or ‘drugs’ would be better.

  41. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    I’m trying to think of what’s best for the wine, not what’s best for me. I’ll take one for the team when need be.

  42. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    MTU – I didn’t think we’d get Jaso but I thought we could, I didn’t think we’d get Morse but I thought we could.. I don’t think we’ll get JUp but I’m hoping the cycle breaks.

  43. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    “My not so secret secret was that I knew Jerk Z was desperate for O and could afford to move Jaso for other items.”

    That’s what threw me off the trail; I thought Jaso was one of their best — their best? — hitters last year. Maybe they didn’t think that would continue? No clue.

  44. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    “Now you’re quibbling with my variable? So the Yanks weren’t supposed to offer more, they were supposed to get Napoli to come to terms with the Sox and then sign the exact same contract with the Yankees?”

    No, they were supposed to contact his agent (iow, due diligence) and make a one year offer (contingent on a physical) when the three year offer fell through.

    “Not quite. If they were willing to sign Napoli for 3/$39M, then he’s the super-dumb one for turning that down and taking this lesser contract.”

    By willing, I meant the original offer. Sorry, if that wasn’t clear. Obviously, every (almost every?) offer/acceptance is contingent on passing a physical.

    “We don’t really know if they’re ending up with a bargain or a headache or something in between.”

    It’s not a about “know,” it’s about taking a reasonable risk. One year at $5m is that. By way of comparison, it’s not like $12m for Youkilis contains no risk.

  45. MTU January 17th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    “To sleep. Perchance to dream.”

    Yeah. That’s the part I dig. The dreamin’. What’s a Man w/o a dream ?

    Hal needs some bigger Dreams. Non-monetary ones. Ones in a different color than green.

    Night all.

    :)

  46. Bo knows January 17th, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Napoli and A Rod – better a pair of bad hips – or is it three? The scrapework is already done.

    “You know, it’s always toughest the first time, it’d be easier if you started with the second” (Miles Naismith)

    I can see Cash mulling the proposal to Hal.

    “Between five and thirteen mil, might or might not be another bad hip – Hmm, how do I sell this and not sound like an idiot”

  47. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    “dumping syringes in coke cans”

    ….why does that sound familiar?

  48. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    “thats not true. agents choose not to negotiate with certain parties all the time under all different circumstances. and this is a circumstance where they had an unfinished agreement in place and negotiations were ongoing.”

    You’d have to specify the circumstance otherwise we’re flying blind.

    An unfinished agreement isn’t a contract by definition. You would at least need an agreement to agree (a memorandum of understanding). But think about it. They had a three year $39m pending deal (not a contract). The medicals turned up a red flag. Sorry, only $5m for one year for your client now. Any agent worth his commission would want to know if that was the best offer out there.

    you’re a lawyer, right? then you know this is true.”

    Uh huh. You’re saying that Cashman/Levine tried to contact the agent but were rebuffed?

  49. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    I guess I can understand people seeing that number — $5 million! — and thinking that’s a great deal for a year of Napoli.

    But the $5M is what Napoli gets for carving his initials into some clubbie’s back, or whatever new Red Sox players do. If the season ends and he only made $5M, he didn’t see the field very often, did he?

    I understand that the Sox were willing to give Napoli 3/$39M at one point, but then they weren’t anymore. They got him for one year but at the same AAV if he plays the whole season or whatever the contract stipulates. If they only end up paying him $5M, they got a lesser player than the one they wanted for the 3/$39M.

  50. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    “You’d have to specify the circumstance otherwise we’re flying blind.”
    ============================================
    in fact any speculation about what happened during the negotiations after the announcement is flying blind.

  51. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    You probably don’t want to hear this, Nick, but if they kept Montero, there would be no need to discuss Napoli.

  52. Bo knows January 17th, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Catchers with bad hips are contraindicated, the Yankees already have a 1B with a bad contract.

  53. MTU January 17th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Bad hips sink ships.

    Now I’m really going to bed.

  54. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    fwiw, the red socks have no intention of using napoli as a catcher. they’ve intended for him to play 1b from the beginning.

  55. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    “in fact any speculation about what happened during the negotiations after the announcement is flying blind.”

    What I posted about what constitutes a contract isn’t flying blind.

    Think about why we are discussing this. Chad said since A-Rod has a hip issue, then people would freak that they signed another player with a hip issue. I think that’s wrong and I said why.

    For all we know, Cashman/Levine made a one year $5m offer and were turned down.

    If so, then smart, not dumb, but still at odds with Chad’s original supposition.

  56. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    “Catchers with bad hips are contraindicated, the Yankees already have a 1B with a bad contract.”

    Do you think the hip issue is new? Napoli had 278 PA at C last season.

    Yes, Montero offers far more.

  57. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    “”You probably don’t want to hear this, Nick, but if they kept Montero, there would be no need to discuss Napoli.”

    Maybe they’d be sick of Montero by now and we’d be discussing Napoli. Hard to say.

    Napoli would be dumb to take $5M from the Yankees when he might be getting $13 from the Red Sox.

  58. Jerkface January 17th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    I think Napoli will get games at catcher.

  59. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 11:02 pm

    they have 3 catchers, but you’re probably right he will probably catch a few times. but they didnt sign him to catch. i only mention this b/c of the hip issue.

  60. Jerkface January 17th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    Yea he fills their vacancy at 1B.

  61. Jerkface January 17th, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    I’m not sure Lavarnaway is going to even be on the team, so I think they will go with Salty + Ross with Napoli getting some starts depending on platoon advantage.

  62. Pat M. January 17th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    Austine R. will catch more games than Naps. Not even close

  63. Bo knows January 17th, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Any team that signs a multitude of identical 1B/DH/OFs shouldn’t be held in exemplary fashion, ie Montero the catcher.

    Montero is not agile, limited degree of lateral movement. His catching abilities are debatable and have been, ad infinitum on here. I’d sooner pass by, that experience – again.

  64. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Pat M, I saw your post about Berkeley hotels. I’ve never stayed at a hotel there, but the Durant is close to campus and only about 10 minutes or less walking to Haas. And it’s all downhill (one way only).

    There’s another hotel that I just walked past last week, it’s on Shattuck in downtown Berkeley and also not too long of a walk to Hass — but it’s all uphill (one way). I’ll try to figure out what that hotel is called and then you can research them if you’d like.

  65. Bo knows January 17th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    So, if Pat stayed at both, he could walk downhill both ways.

    Sorry Pat – I forgot your bad hips.

    Just trying to help.

    Reminds me of my school days – Six miles to school, in three foot drifts, uphill.

  66. Pat M. January 17th, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    Nick in SF……Thank’s, just e-mail me. Bo Knows, you still got it !!!!

  67. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 11:24 pm

    “Montero is not agile, limited degree of lateral movement. His catching abilities are debatable”
    ================================================
    oh, now you’ve done it, randy’s ‘jesus radar’ just woke him up…..

  68. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    idk, i think they want lavarnway to make the team. very possible they trade one before opening day, imo.

  69. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    “Sorry Pat – I forgot your bad hips.”

    The Sox might still be interested. They’d be dumb not to.

  70. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 11:39 pm

    “Austine R. will catch more games than Naps. Not even close”

    Didn’t you say they’d keep Martin?

  71. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    “Maybe they’d be sick of Montero by now and we’d be discussing Napoli. Hard to say.”

    It depends on who the they is.

  72. Ys Guy January 17th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    montero would have been sent back to AAA mid season last year had he not been traded.

    (if that doesnt wake randy up, nothing will….!)

  73. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 11:47 pm

    A do over on the Montero trade? Sweeeet.

  74. Nick in SF January 17th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    “It depends on who the they is.”

    There are 8 million stories in the naked city, but few of them are told by the people who decide who plays for the Yankees.

  75. Jerkface January 17th, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    Ys Guy,

    that presumes exactly similar performance. I think he would have hit better, and replaced Andruw Jones by the AS Break.

  76. Rich in NJ January 17th, 2013 at 11:57 pm

    “There are 8 million stories in the naked city, but few of them are told by the people who decide who plays for the Yankees.”

    There can only be one Randy Levine.

  77. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    If we’re writing Montero fan fiction, can we not have an Andruw Jones character at all for 2012?

  78. Bo knows January 18th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    Reminds of this year’s masochist Yankee fans.

    “Beat me, flagellate me”.

    Sadist Brian “No”

  79. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 12:12 am

    “If we’re writing Montero fan fiction, can we not have an Andruw Jones character at all for 2012?”

    We agree. They aren’t well run.

  80. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 12:14 am

    “Beat me, flagellate me”.

    Sadist Brian “No”

    Maybe he saves that for his private life?

  81. Bo knows January 18th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    (if that doesnt wake randy up, nothing will….!)

    ——————-
    I enjoy Randy. Especially the trash talk. It’s kind of deja vu.

    Montero, the ponderous – Back foot slider – Creak.

  82. Ys Guy January 18th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    yes we write out a jones. but then maxwell takes montero’s place…..

  83. Bo knows January 18th, 2013 at 12:21 am

    Maybe he saves that for his private life?

    ——————————–
    I’m in favor that his private life does stay. Abhor the smell of airing, unwashed laundry.

    “Let he who is without sin…

  84. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    I’m in favor that his private life does stay. Abhor the smell of airing, unwashed laundry.

    “Let he who is without sin…
    __

    That’s hard to accomplish once you involve the district attorney, especially when you are a public figure.

  85. UnKnown January 18th, 2013 at 12:31 am

    Really good game going on out in LaLa land. Lake Show has to have this type of victory tonight. It would go a long ways for them as they try and fight back into the playoff picture.

  86. Bo knows January 18th, 2013 at 12:33 am

    I think his options were limited. It was a dirty business and straight arrows, (boy scouts) are always susceptible.

    You’re talking – college, intern, baseball success. Totally foreign environment. No survival skills

  87. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    “We agree. They aren’t well run.”

    Yeah, not exactly, but we definitely agree that they could be run better.

    I think we also agree that they play their home games in the Bronx and probably agree that their logo is cool.

  88. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 12:40 am

    “I think we also agree that they play their home games in the Bronx and probably agree that their logo is cool.”

    It clearly beats a that archaic, and arguably offensive, smiling Indians’ logp.

  89. Ys Guy January 18th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    “It clearly beats a that archaic, and arguably offensive, smiling Indians’ logo”
    =========================================
    do you mean this indian logo?

    youhttp://www.jbench68.com/images/Sports_Photos/Ruth_Babe-19-1935.jpg

  90. Ys Guy January 18th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    http://www.jbench68.com/images.....9-1935.jpg

  91. David in Cal January 18th, 2013 at 1:33 am

    I suspect Nick in SF was thinking of the Hotel Shattuck.

  92. CompassRosy January 18th, 2013 at 1:34 am

    Jiminey.
    You guys (and gals) talk more about the M’s (and ex M’s) than an actual M’s board ;)

    I was indeed surprised that Jack Z traded Jaso ~especially after the M’s granted Olivo FA~ I did, after all, assure MTU that he wouldn’t be moved ;) I mean, the M’s had to have a BuC – why start from scratch when it seemed like he and Jesus had a pretty good platoon going on?

    Just goes to show what I know – not much.

    Much has been made of Morse’s defense (or lack thereof) but, Jaso is no gold glover himself. He’s never played more than 109 games in a season and his lefty splits are even worse than Jesus’s righty splits (and Morse’s splits are almost even). With Zunino on the fast track, Jaso wasn’t going to be part of the M’s long term plans (though I still thought he had value till Zunino came up) so, it seems that Jack Z felt his worth was in what he could bring back in trade rather than what he could provide behind and at the plate.

    I guess we shall see but, it does leave the M’s with a curious depth chart….
    http://tinyurl.com/y2t6ob6

    Still plenty of time until P&CR. Could be an interesting few weeks…

  93. Ys Guy January 18th, 2013 at 1:37 am

    so tiger woods is going to pay his ex wife $200M to remarry him? what an idiot!

  94. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 7:21 am

    Rosy-

    My POV is that almost no one is untouchable.

    It all comes down to price. I kind of tried to make that point with you at the time.

    If you recall I told you I thought the Yankees could offer some items that would be irresistable.

    Your platoon idea did make sense but you misread Jaso’s value.

    He really is a platoon guy IMO, and he is not a total youngster.

    I thought, and still think, that Jaso and Romine would have been a near perfect pairing for the Yankees.

    I agree with what you said. I think your GM thought that Jaso was not going to be in the longterm
    plan for the M’s. So he decided to take something else he thought he could use.

    Only problem appears to be that Morse will likely not be in the longterm plan either.

    Blake and I both have thought that Mr. Z should have moved the King as well.

    I know you have your opinion on that which differs.

    Unfortunately, the dream that Jerk Z has been trying to sell to M’s fans does not appear all that real to me.

    I think you think he is a better GM than he really is.

    Enjoy Montero though. He is likely to improve this season and may even show flashes of greatness.

    Next time we Tango I will trust my own instincts more.

    No hard feelings though. You’re a fine Lady and a terrific M’s fan. They’re lucky to have a fan like you.

    :)

  95. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    “Enjoy Montero though. He is likely to improve this season and may even show flashes of greatness.”

    mtu-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDebgxHMY6E

    listen to the you tube interview with jeff datz back when he was coaching mat weiters with the orioles.

    datz is now the guy coaching seattle catchers. he’s a solid baseball coach with a long background in the game. j.a.pru posted an article with datz saying that montero had “great hands.”
    “When he puts it together he is very good,” Datz said. “Blocking, receiving and footwork really came along. When he put it all together it is as good as it gets. We saw him throw out some pretty good base stealers. Still a work in progress and has a long way to go. We will challenge him again this year and continue to work with him this year and hopefully he will step up and do it.”

    the fact is montero can catch. i didn’t need datz to tell me montero has good hands. i first saw that upon watching montero in one minor league game on tv.

    this evaluation by datz of montero is very likely why seattle traded jaso. this blog is frankly full of people who have very little ability to judge a catcher with their eyes. i didn’t need to see defensive stats of him catching to know he can catch. i think it’s pretty obvious now that i was right way back when i first said he could catch.

    so a lot of the lohud blog surprise about jaso being traded is based on the erroneous viewpoint that montero couldn’t catch. once it is assumed montero can catch, the trade makes more sense.

  96. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    Fans fall in love with players.

    GM’s can’t afford that luxury.

    They have to at all times remain practical and open-minded IMO.

    And always have one eye on the Future.

    That’s my stroy and I’m stickin’ to it.

    ;)

  97. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 7:44 am

    sp: story

  98. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    Randy-

    I just want some of your best stained glass.

    Forget Montero.

    But yes, you definitely said so, and if you recall I kind of took what you said seriously.

    I mean what the heck would you know ? You only caught yourself. That can’t count for much.

    It’s like me talking about aspects of hiking or photography. What the heck would I know I only do them both all the time.

    Experience ? Bah. Means nothing.

    ;)

    ;)

  99. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    Sorry bout the double winkie. That was an accident.

    A spastic’s mistake.

  100. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    Using #’s and using your eyes and experience are complimentary processes FWIS.

    Use the Numbers to identify, compare, and predict talent but use your eyes and experience as the final checks.

    Silver and Stick would be a great pairing for instance.

    Or Silver and Buck.

    Two sides of the same coin.

  101. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    What happens when the #’s and the experience are in conflict ?

    I go with experience. Others might chose the #’s

    That’s what makes the world go round.

    That, imparted axial velocity, lack of friction, etc.

    ;)

  102. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Alright. Who’s up besides me and Randy ?

    Blake ?

    Surely you’ve filled a few teeth by this time of the morning.

    :)

  103. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Cashman: “We’re not done shopping yet.”

    Yeah. But there is just so much you can get even at Walmart when you only have a few bucks in your pocket.

    :(

    (No offense to Walmart shoppers. I count myself as among them.)

  104. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    OK. If no one else wants to play it’s time for breakfast.

    The most important meal of the day.

    :)

  105. austinmac January 18th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    Good morning MTU. Have you given up on any real additions? I agree with you to either get a good player or go with youth.

    I am still amazed at the lack of direction. This plan, if it can be called such, seems to simply defer everything.

  106. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    mtu-

    because you actually do serious hiking, i’d pay attention to what you said about hiking. when people talk about experience the way you and i do we’re not just talking about “nice experiences”. we’re often talking about the gritty pain kind of experiences too. that’s a visceral thing felt in the body. you don’t ever get it by watching. you, mtu, get it when you hike in life and death situations. it’s not necessarily dangerous because you know what you’re doing. same with me with catching.

    the kind of heightened awareness you get when spending thousands of hours doing these kinds of activities does give you some well earned insights about these activities. one thing that is amazing to me is that people can think they know a physical activity just by watching and not by doing.

    as a aside here, based again on a whole lot of being down in the dirt catching baseballs cervelli can catch for the yankees this year. i can’t stand the guy and would tell him to STFU every time he opened his mouth. to say he’s a little too full of himself is an understatement, but he’s paid his dues.
    he can catch. and he can hit a little. his lifetime mlb ops is better than montero’s last year.

    people jump on bandwagons of thought that have no basis in reality. there is no objective reason to think that cervelli can’t catch for the yankees. to me he’s juts another catcher who’s been abused by the yankees.

    they get a bug up their butt about something and cut off their nose to spite their face with catchers. something is seriously wrong with how the yankees are developing their catchers. they don’t seem to have a guy like jef datz doing the mentoring.

    girardi and pena for some inexplicable reason are making a mess of the yankee catcher position.

  107. austinmac January 18th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    Randy,

    Developing catchers, pitchers, infielders and outfielders seems to be the problem. Cashman’s rebuilding of the system is still only a few years away. Not one player capable of being MLB average or above to insert.

  108. blake January 18th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    I’m awake MTU….from 72 degrees to 4 inches of snow…..winter in the south

  109. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    austinmac-

    i saw you said you hired trey hillman to coach your son hitting when he was younger. so it goes without saying you saw how much time it takes and how slow it goes developing a baseball skill.

    i’m calling out girardi and pena because they are flat out failures in developing yankee cacthing. that guy datz in seattle is the real deal. i can tell just from listening to him talk about when he was weiters catching coach.

    his viewpoint is at odds wth girardi’s and pena’s on montero . montero would likely still be a yankee if datz were a yankee coach instead of girardi and pena. i wonder how many more things girardi is so dysfunctional on.

    i thought i liked girardi , but i’m doing a 180 with him. i’m thinking he’s got to go. what chance does any yankee catcher have with him controlling the catching situation.

  110. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Mac-

    I’m with you. Let’s roll with what we’ve got unless we can add quality.

    The Plan seems to be let’s see what we have and go from there.

    ;)

    Randy-

    Science offers us the best model Man has on earth to obtain reliable knowledge.

    It is why I revere it down here.

    No Science is complete w/o real world observations based on experience.

    That sums things up IMO.

    Blake-

    Zero to Sixty in 6 seconds, huh ?

    Shame it goes that way sometimes.

    :)

  111. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    “And God made Man in his own image.”

    In this case the God is Girardi.

    He likes Catchers in his own image.

    ;)

  112. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Blake-

    You had your moments in the Sun, so to speak.

    Now it’s our turn. We’re finally warming up and coming out of this deep freeze.

    It’s most welcome.

    :)

  113. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Mother Nature giveth and Mother Nature taketh away.

    ;)

  114. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    The other tool of knowledge given to us by the good Lord is Faith.

    It compliments our Science.

    :)

  115. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:35 am

    When I see GB he’s gonna tell me I’m still full of crap.

    And like always, I’ll just smile and nod my head in agreement.

    Tell him I know he loves me.

    :)

  116. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    I apologize.

    Guess I have rendered everyone speechless.

    :)

  117. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    mtu-

    i am kind of puzzled what’s going on with girardi and catchers. who would know more about catching more than girardi ?

    yet the yankee catcher position is a mess. it’s kind of like girardi coming to the yankees with a small ball reputation and then he morphs into a station to station manager with the yankees.

    it’s pretty obvious showalter out managed girardi last year by getting almost the same won loss record with scoring a whole lot less runs.

    if montero does really well this summer, a whole lot of heads are going to roll in yankeeland.

  118. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Please accept these photos as a token of my contrition :

    https://picasaweb.google.com/109721757058432487394/Nov292012?authkey=Gv1sRgCNzM_I6mjd6DuQE#

    :)

  119. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    mtu-

    i think people were in deep meditation pondering your wisdom :)

  120. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    Those pictures are absolutely beautiful, MTU. I hope you don’t mind that I borrow one for my desktop background. Right now I have a crying baby on it, but I think your stuff would be better.

  121. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Randy-

    The right amount of pressure can turn almost anything into something else.

    It can take something as simple as Carbon and turn it into Diamond.

    Which can then be shattered with a single, correctly applied blow.

    Is that the Girardi explanation ?

    Or perhaps, he was just not what you thought ?

    It is puzzling. I agree.

  122. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Randy-

    A wise man like Solomon knows what he knows.

    And he knows he knows very litttle.

    The more you know the more you realize how little you know.

    It teaches you to try to be humble.

    :)

    Shame-

    Absolutely no problem. If one of them makes you a little happier today go for it.

    may I recommend a sock for the Baby ?

    :)

  123. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Lol, this is actually the picture that’s been my background: http://images.dailydawdle.com/we-ride.jpg

    But I think yours will improve my overall mood :)

  124. 86w183 January 18th, 2013 at 8:55 am

    Morning folks… looks like things a bit slow this morning

    I would have been on earlier but went out to breakfast with Mantei Te’O’s girlfriend.

  125. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    I’m seeing a lot of hate for Oprah this morning.. I thought she did a much better job than I expected. I didn’t think she soft balled him……. hehehehehehe.

  126. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    86-

    Really ?

    Bet she looked a bit ghostly.

    ;)

  127. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    mtu-

    there is a tendency for all of us get so used to hearing something that we accept it as fact.

    the assumption is that the yankees really know about catching because of girardi and pena.

    the problem is that the yankees are a mess at the position after years of girardi and pena being the experts.

    does anyone still think montero can’t catch just because girardi didn’t want to put him in his line up?

    i have no doubt montero would still be a yankee if girardi mentored him the way jeff datz is mentoring montero in seattle.

    jumping off the catcher position, you see similar erratic handling of a young player in nunez. what’s up with their development of him?

    at this point i have zero confidence in the yankees slowly but steadily developing a young player the way datz is doing with montero.

  128. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Did all the Tarheels see that news on UNC this morning??

  129. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    “I would have been on earlier but went out to breakfast with Mantei Te’O’s girlfriend.”

    what didn’t you have for breakfast?

  130. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    MTU-

    The Mops look like they need a bath!

    Roswell Hopkins??

  131. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Randy-

    There is certain room to question the Yankees ability to develop young players in a coherent fashion.

    86-

    Was she paper thin like Mrs. Matsui ?

    Like a cardboard cutout ?

    Sad story that one.

    :(

  132. Yankee Trader January 18th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    New Post———>

  133. blake January 18th, 2013 at 9:06 am

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  134. MTU January 18th, 2013 at 9:10 am

    YT-

    Unfortunately they like to play in the sand.

    Unfortunately we have a lot of it.

    Fortunately I can bathe them.

    The Hopkins grave is in an old Pioneer town called Grafton.

    I was particularly struck by the uniqueness and creativity expressed in his memorial.

    I have no idea who he was other than that.

    :)

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    Randy, I always thought Montero would catch adequately enough to play back there, and I expect him to continue to improve. The thing is Montero is also progressing on the offensive side of the ball, and will continue to do so; adjustments to Safeco’s dimensions will also contribute to that improvement.

    Jesus Montero’s strikeout-rate splits:

    First half: 23% (292 plate appearances)
    Second half: 12% (257 plate appearances)

    The reduced strikeout rate is supported by an increased contact rate:

    First half: 77% contact (563 swings)
    Second half: 83% contact (440 swings)

    First half, vs. righties: 23% strikeouts (205 plate appearances)
    Second half, vs. righties: 15% strikeouts (156 plate appearances)

    First half, vs. lefties: 23% strikeouts (87 plate appearances)
    Second half, vs. lefties: 8% strikeouts (101 plate appearances)

    Nice job, Sarah. Although the smell of the grass in OYS was so much better than that in NYS. I also miss that OYS smell of popcorn combined with that incomparable pissy smell, and that view of the infield grass from field level. <3 :)

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