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Teixiera, but not Pettitte, on Team USA roster

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 17, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here’s the official Team USA provisional roster for the World Baseball Classic. Despite a previous report, Andy Pettitte is not on the roster. Mark Teixeira is the only Yankees player.

Jeremy Affeldt – San Francisco Giants – LHP
Heath Bell – Arizona Diamondbacks – RHP
Mitchell Boggs – St. Louis Cardinals – RHP
Steve Cishek – Miami Marlins – RHP
Tim Collins – Kansas City Royals – LHP
R.A. Dickey – Toronto Blue Jays – RHP
Luke Gregerson – San Diego Padres – RHP
Derek Holland – Texas Rangers – LHP
Craig Kimbrel – Atlanta Braves – RHP
Ryan Vogelsong – San Francisco Giants – RHP
Kris Medlen – Atlanta Braves – RHP
Chris Perez – Cleveland Indians – RHP
Glen Perkins – Minnesota Twins – LHP
Vinnie Pestano – Cleveland Indians – RHP

J.P. Arencibia – Toronto Blue Jays – C
Jonathan Lucroy – Milwaukee Brewers – C
Joe Mauer – Minnesota Twins – C

Willie Bloomquist – Arizona Diamondbacks – UTL
Brandon Phillips – Cincinnati Reds – 2B
Jimmy Rollins – Philadelphia Phillies – SS
Mark Teixeira – New York Yankees – 1B
David Wright – New York Mets – 3B
Ben Zobrist – Tampa Bay Rays – UTL

Ryan Braun – Milwaukee Brewers – OF
Adam Jones – Baltimore Orioles – OF
Giancarlo Stanton – Miami Marlins – OF
Shane Victorino – Boston Red Sox – OF

Associated Press photo

 
 

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119 Responses to “Teixiera, but not Pettitte, on Team USA roster”

  1. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    @KenDavidoff

    What does it say about the #WBC that fans are most thrilled when their player decides to NOT participate? #Yankees

  2. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 17th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Napoli gets $5MM for the one-year deal, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter).

    ________________________

    Sorry, but I feel bad job Yankees. Napoli could be that righthanded bat they need at this point.

  3. DONNYBROOK January 17th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    You poison the well with Braun on this team. My TV just went Click.

  4. Jerkface January 17th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Holy butts 1/5 for Napoli? Uh Cashman?

    Unless his hip is A-rodesque, that is such a reversal of fortune.

  5. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Napoli only gets 5MM. Ugh, we could have afforded him. :(

  6. jacksquat January 17th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:16 am
    “Why do you think the lineup is lefty dominant?”

    Because the entire outfield hits left handed…..and their best hitter hits left handed.

    If Tex and Youk bounced back and Cano actually hits lefties next year then it won’t be a problem…..but if Youk looks cooked and Tex isn’t good then it’s Jeter and pray when a lefty is on the mound right now.

    Without your bounce backs:

    vs lhp ops

    Jeter: .941
    Teixeira: .865
    Youkilis: .878

    vs rhp ops

    Ichiro: .724
    Cano: 1.108
    Granderson: .839

    Like I said, I think it’s balanced. I suspect you’ve talked yourself into this narrative because it fits with your obsession with getting Upton.

    The Yanks need a righthanded hitting 4th outfielder type and a lefthanded hitting DH type.

  7. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 17th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Question: Is Cashman trying to be too cute with this bargain bin attempts and finds? Does he enjoy more finding his Aaron Smalls or putting his Josh Phelps on the roster than players that do make the team elite and have kept him in his job?

    Memo to Cashman: You have your job primarily because you were able to negotiate trades or contracts for high end talent and secure them. It is the C.C. and Johnny Damons of past, not so much the Diaz or Canzler.

  8. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    What in the world? 5 million for Napoli? His hip must be a bad day away from Arods

  9. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    re-post

    yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 10:20 am
    To actually have to lament the loss of Martin’s bat, just shows how far we have fallen. I get the stats vs. LHP, but Martin is/was a mistake hitter who fattened up on flat fastballs and hanging curveballs. He is not a good hitter.

  10. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 17th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Yankees have always been big name hunters, even during the most recent dynasty.

  11. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    @JeffPassan: Ideal Team USA lineup: C Posey, 1B Prince, 2B Pedroia, SS Tulo, 3B Headley, LF Braun, CF Trout, RF Stanton. Only Braun, Stanton are playing.

    @JeffPassan: Ideal Team USA rotation: Verlander, Kershaw, Price, Strasburg, with Lee, Hamels, Cain, Weaver, Sabathia and Greinke next. None going to WBC.

    Hard to get excited about it when our best don’t play

  12. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    I prefer they be big game hunters.

  13. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    At least we can drool over Giancarlo’s bat.

  14. chicken little January 17th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    If this roster (particularly the pitching staff) is the best the USA can do, they should cancel the WBC. The whole point of the thing is to have the best in the world play each other. Besides R.A. Dickey, which pitcher on that staff is all-star caliber? Not one. End result is — the way the baseball season falls out, and the toll 162+ takes on a body, there just isn’t time to have a tournament like this (unless its All Star game rules and over 4-5 days mid-season).

  15. There Will Never Be Another Mo January 17th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    I prefer they be big game hunters.

    _________

    Sorry, that is what I meant. The elite FAs, the big trade targets who impact the team substantially.

  16. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    $5 million over 1 year?!

    AJP went for $7 million?

    And we have no big league catcher… but made a play for neither guy.

    Thank god we signed Youkilis to a ridiculously overpriced deal or I might be a little upset right now.

  17. bruceb January 17th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    What no Andy P on the roster? No doubt the full exclusive of this “fabricated” story will be on Deadspin later in the day!

    Still can’t make up my mind up whether Manti Te’o is a liar of just incredibly stupid. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt right now and go with the latter.

  18. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    blake says:
    January 17, 2013 at 10:16 am
    “Why do you think the lineup is lefty dominant?”

    Because the entire outfield hits left handed…..and their best hitter hits left handed.

    If Tex and Youk bounced back and Cano actually hits lefties next year then it won’t be a problem…..but if Youk looks cooked and Tex isn’t good then it’s Jeter and pray when a lefty is on the mound right now.

  19. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Why are you all worried about offense? Long has Youkilis back to his 2008 form. Were this 2008, we would have a very good team.

    Cashman’s successful trades have all been, it seems to me, to be those in which he took on money. Justice, Swisher, AROD etc. Now, that he can’t do that, he hasn’t a clue, in my opinion, how to improve the team.

    To those who believe the Yankees are going all out this year, I would point to catcher and the fact that the Yankees stayed out of the Morse market. They wanted to appear to care while caring more about the bottom line.

    I do hope people stay away and Hal can understand about anger.

  20. randy l. January 17th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    “reports of Montero’s clumsy catching skills have been greatly exaggerated – by the Yankees especially.”

    j.a.p.

    i paid some serious catching dues for about five years and was around some people with pretty high standards. paul casanova, stan cliburn, dave sax, pat kelly, carl taylor all passed on things to me. i was around a lot of really good pitchers. i have some idea of how they think about a catcher and what they’re looking for.

    i had zero doubt when i watched montero catch that he could catch. now my standards are obviously not as high as girardi’s, but that actually might be the problem. we all know he wasn’t crazy about posada taking his job. there’s something dysfunctional about girardi and his bias towards catchers who are more like him than like posada. it’s like he’s trying to prove that he was the gold standard. he wasn’t.
    he was really good defensively and scrappy as a hitter.
    that’s not the yankee ideal.

    if he keeps pushing his philosophy the yankees will continue to have trouble at the position.

  21. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Deadspin is on a roll this week.. good stuff.

    @Deadspin

    Which NFL teams actually had injuries this season, and which ones just lied on the injury report? http://deadsp.in/WYrsOJd

  22. bruceb January 17th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Read “or” for “of.”

  23. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Lol at the Yankees giving Youkalis over twice as much as Napoli when like all his joints are probably bad

  24. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Youkilis for the cost of both Napoli and AJ P. Brilliant.

  25. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    @JeffPassan: Ideal Team USA lineup: C Posey, 1B Prince, 2B Pedroia, SS Tulo, 3B Headley, LF Braun, CF Trout, RF Stanton. Only Braun, Stanton are playing.

    @JeffPassan: Ideal Team USA rotation: Verlander, Kershaw, Price, Strasburg, with Lee, Hamels, Cain, Weaver, Sabathia and Greinke next. None going to WBC.

    Hard to get excited about it when our best don’t play

    ——————-

    Sads.

  26. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Still can’t make up my mind up whether Manti Te’o is a liar of just incredibly stupid. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt right now and go with the latter.

    ————–

    He’s probably neither and just gay.

  27. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    austinmac says:
    January 17, 2013 at 10:37 am
    Youkilis for the cost of both Napoli and AJ P. Brilliant.

    Kinda funny if it didnt suck so bad

  28. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Cashman’s successful trades have all been, it seems to me, to be those in which he took on money. Justice, Swisher, AROD etc. Now, that he can’t do that, he hasn’t a clue, in my opinion, how to improve the team.
    __
    And Bobby Abreu.

  29. DONNYBROOK January 17th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    We do NOT know the status of that Napoli hip, so flogging the Yanks about Youk’s $$$ is premature.

  30. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    chicken little January 17th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    If this roster (particularly the pitching staff) is the best the USA can do, they should cancel the WBC. The whole point of the thing is to have the best in the world play each other. Besides R.A. Dickey, which pitcher on that staff is all-star caliber? Not one. End result is — the way the baseball season falls out, and the toll 162+ takes on a body, there just isn’t time to have a tournament like this (unless its All Star game rules and over 4-5 days mid-season).

    ————————-

    There could be a couple of ways to approach this.. but eliminating the All-Star game every 4 years and extending it a bit might not be a bad idea.

  31. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    According to the Yanks, Napoli, Jaso, Montero don’t have positions, and we don’t sign that kind of bat speed.

  32. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Arod had two bum hips….can we negotiate his contract down

  33. Chip January 17th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    On Napoli:

    Before killing Cashman for not getting in on Napoli who ends up with 1 year $5mil – we don’t actually know if Napoli and his agent were talking to other teams or if they were just working with the Red Sox…Cashman may not have had the opportunity to talk to Napoli about a deal.

    On Morse:

    I don’t get it for Seattle. You give up 5 years of Jaso who is a good offensive player and defensive player for one year of Morse.

    Seattle’s going to be an awful defensive team.

  34. DONNYBROOK January 17th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I like Jaso, but when you see a player get shuttled around like he has, you gotta The Rock route and raise an eyebrow.

  35. Jerkface January 17th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Before killing Cashman for not getting in on Napoli who ends up with 1 year $5mil – we don’t actually know if Napoli and his agent were talking to other teams or if they were just working with the Red Sox…Cashman may not have had the opportunity to talk to Napoli about a deal.

    He was working with other teams. Turned down a higher offer from the Rangers due to uncertain role.

  36. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    We should have pursued Jaso… would have been a great bridge to JR or Sanchez. I can’t believe they did that deal for Morse. The A’s made a fantastic move and only gave up a SINGLE A pitcher.

  37. jacksquat January 17th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    It’s 5 mil plus incentives, which are unknown yet.

    So it’s probably one of two situations:

    - there are lots of incentives that easily reached if he just plays

    - that hip is really bad

  38. jacksquat January 17th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    9:40am: The incentives could increase the value of the deal to $13MM, Bradford reports. It’s a strict one-year deal, according to WEEI.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#EyMHimF3xG7CO1oP.99

    Yep, it’s only 5 mil if he’s on a surgery table in April.

  39. DONNYBROOK January 17th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Morse shows the Yanks should be able to make at Least the same haul for Grandy, and Better for Cano.

  40. Jerkface January 17th, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Ah well, I guess that news means he was too expensive for us

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock January 17th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    randy,

    Not having caught, I don’t know what that is like experientially and never will, but I saw a good deal of Montero in Trenton and was surprised by his athleticism, given the reports that he was an oaf behind the plate. It gave me comfort that he could stick, and I reasoned that, with all the catching pedigree in our system, he was in the right hands.

    But I fretted through all the bizarre moves that painted that picture I couldn’t bear to look at. So, the worst happens – they trade him, and then you get these kinds of quotes from Girardi:

    “If you hit 24 HR, and drive in 100 (as a catcher) – it doesn’t matter,” ‘I don’t care how many homers you hit, if you don’t play defense….”

    Now these seem harmless and generic enough, except this is the guy who actually pulled Jorge Posada’s bat from his starting lineup in the ALCS and WS in favor of Jose Molina. IOW, this is a guy with a fairly dangerous perspective, IMO.

    And here’s a smug Girardi once Montero was traded:

    “Seattle has to worry about (Montero’s defense). Now – we don’t.”

    Well, that’s comforting, Joe, that you don’t have to “worry about” Montero’s defense. Glad he’s no longer keeping you up nights, pal.

  42. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    “I don’t get it for Seattle. You give up 5 years of Jaso who is a good offensive player and defensive player for one year of Morse.

    Seattle’s going to be an awful defensive team.”

    3 years but still dumb

  43. Chip January 17th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:54 am

    “I don’t get it for Seattle. You give up 5 years of Jaso who is a good offensive player and defensive player for one year of Morse.

    Seattle’s going to be an awful defensive team.”

    3 years but still dumb
    —————

    My mistake. Yankees should go out and get Kotteras and sign Shoppach – between the two of them that’s one good catcher.

  44. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    As I said earlier….Napoli’s hip must be a mess or you’d think he would have told the Sox to go screw themselves after they agreed to a 3/39 deal and ended up at 1/5

  45. DONNYBROOK January 17th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Girardi can spout whatever he wants, but I would guess he has next to No influence on who Does get dealt and who does Not. He’s talkin’ to himself.

  46. chicken little January 17th, 2013 at 10:57 am

    To me whether 3 years of Jaso is fair value for 1 year of Morse isn’t as big of a question as is: why did the Mariners target a platoon-type player who plays the same corner OF/IB/DH positions as about 6 platoon type players on the Mariners’ roster. In certain respects it would be as if the Yanks signed another mediocre lefty to play the outfield. What benefit is that?

  47. blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    “My mistake. Yankees should go out and get Kotteras and sign Shoppach – between the two of them that’s one good catcher”

    It’s certainly better than what they have

  48. PacoDooley January 17th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Something really peculiar about the Napoli situation. How did a $39M contract end up as a $5M contract – either it is a heist or his health situation is really bad and he is likely to see a lot of DL time.

  49. Chip January 17th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    blake January 17th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    As I said earlier….Napoli’s hip must be a mess or you’d think he would have told the Sox to go screw themselves after they agreed to a 3/39 deal and ended up at 1/5
    ——————–

    Agreed. Any mention of whether or not there’s a clause in the contract that prevents Boston from making Napoli a QO after the season?

  50. blake January 17th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    “To me whether 3 years of Jaso is fair value for 1 year of Morse isn’t as big of a question as is: why did the Mariners target a platoon-type player who plays the same corner OF/IB/DH positions as about 6 platoon type players on the Mariners’ roster”

    Cause Jack Z desperate and I guess he thinks this upgrades their offense….only does if Morse stays healthy and they don’t allow more runs than he creates

  51. Jerkface January 17th, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Apparently the incentives are based on if he hits the DL or not. Dunno the specifics yet.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock January 17th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    What are you talking about?

    Girardi’s perspective has become the new Yankee ethos when it comes to the catcher position.

    What’s remarkable in all this is, they don’t even get guys who are really stalwart defenders, yet they promote them this way. They don’t bring Joel Skinner here, they just collect guys who can’t hit and tell themselves and everyone else they’re “difference makers” behind the plate.

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock January 17th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    If Girardi were the manager instead of Torre way back when (suspending the time factor), Posada never would have seen the light of day behind home plate in the Bronx.

  54. chicken little January 17th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Having slightly above average defensive catchers who can’t hit is not the same thing as having stud defensive catchers who can’t hit — no matter what Cashman and Girardi think.

  55. Cashmoney January 17th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    if they are serious about this C defense and that is the reason they passed on AJP, Don’t expect the yankee to pick up Kottaras. I am starting to think maybe G love is right, Yanks are hanging out Cmoney to dry in terms of putting his month where his prospects talks are.

    On Jaso, there is a guy who can useful this year and beyond, I would have entertain trading 1 year Granderson for him and plus some more from the Ms. but NYY are so rigid in their thinking I
    don’t expect them to get even little bit creative.

    This roster as it stands is very flaw offensively in which no doubt the declaration of championship caliber will be forthcoming from one the moron in the FO. prolly Cashman.

  56. DONNYBROOK January 17th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Cashman and Girardi ain’t callin’ the shots. Hal and Levine gotta tag-team going.

  57. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    “why did the Mariners target a platoon-type player who plays the same corner OF/IB/DH positions as about 6 platoon type players on the Mariners’ roster.”

    Because Jack Z. says he sees Morse as an everyday player/his RF. Scary thought.

  58. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Nah, the prescriptive/saber driven/sss Mike Fast pitch framing philosophy is on Cash and Joe G.

  59. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    I should have added *at the expense of any catcher offense…

    However, we are still trying to turn big bats into catchers in the minors, so at least there is that…

  60. Cashmoney January 17th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    it’s almost as in Cmoney universe, some ideas can not co-exist… such as an avg hitter with power… and an offensive c with passable D can possibly help a team.

  61. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    We have our catchers on board already. Haven’t you heard?

    I can’t wait to watch Stewart hit some more. He is among the worst MLB hitters I have ever seen. Combine him with Cervelli, and I believe we can get 3 homers and 40 RBIs out of the catching spot. Offense that bad must mean they are good defensively. Right?

    But, I am not worried because we added some bats this winter. Oh wait, that was four years ago.

  62. Cashmoney January 17th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Cashman and Yankee’s FO’s thought process in terms of baseball are so draconic it’s laughable at this point.

  63. YES January 17th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    Joe doesn’t like catchers that can hit.

    He likes catchers that are like he was when he played: short, squatty, and offensively challenged.

  64. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Cashman says he agrees with everything Hal says and does everything he requests. Does that sound just a bit like a “yes man”. Independent thought is not permitted. We must think like Hal.

    Hal in 2001: The Space Odyssey was more fun than this one.

  65. Cashmoney January 17th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    I truly believe that best scenario any fans can hope for 13 yanks is that they suck up royally because it prompt either of the two things. 1. Yanks abandon their budget idea 2 start rebuilding in earnest and possibly turn some of those 1 year dudes into useful prospects during 13.

  66. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Calcaterra’s take on the WBC sounds about right to me. Morosi is out of his mind, calling for these guys to turn in their citizenship or something.

  67. Wave Your Hat January 17th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Hi folks. Been away a while but I was real sorry to learn about GB7. He had a unique voice.

    I’m super down about the Yank prospects. GB7 would have said to suck it up and don’t whine, but I just can’t see this team competing at an elite level or taking the steps necessary to get back to an elite level.

    Next year this time, all the comments are going to be asking how the Yanks could have let the Dodgers sign Cano, and why didn’t they trade him.

    And randy l, you were right about Montero.

  68. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    @entylawyer

    Lance Armstrong has been stripped of his 2000 Olympic Games cycling time trial bronze medal by the International Olympic Committee

  69. Cashmoney January 17th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    I am hoping for 2-20 start out of the gate.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock January 17th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    At least Stewart doesn’t have any offensive reputation.

    I have not seen anything as pathetic, possibly in all my life, as some of those swings from Martin in that 2011 ALDS. It was as if they took some guy out of the stands and gave him his 15 minutes of fame in a playoff game, whenever he came to the plate. Just waving at pitches… one of the most clueless displays ever, in my baseball viewing history, at least.

  71. Chip January 17th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    JAP -

    When the Yankees talk about good catchers behind the plate they’re not just measuring the percentage of baserunners that they nail or balls that they block. They’re talking about handling a pitching staff.

  72. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    It will be interesting to see the predictions on wins this year for the Yankees if Trisha does her pool again. I bet if we took last year’s predictions and compared them to this year’s, by we avid fans, the forecast will be 6-8 less games won.

  73. Chip January 17th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    And yes, Girardi’s view of what makes a good catcher is skewed by his own perspective and so he’s going to value players differently based on that. That’s normal and happens all around the sport. We don’t agree with it because for the last decade and a half defense wasn’t something we cared about from our catcher as fans.

  74. DONNYBROOK January 17th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Everybody Knew Armstrong used. Come on. Even Larry King gave him The Rock eyebrow when he had him on.

  75. bruceb January 17th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Everything points to the Yankees’ top brass accepting 2013 is going to be a down year for the team. The overriding desire to reduce payroll is apparent by their unwillingness to make even the smallest of moves to improve the team. I’m surprised they even bothered re-signing Andy P and Kuroda, to be honest.

    While it seems every poster on this blog recognizes the shortcomings of the current roster – and the fact, that for the first time in many years, the Yanks will not be favorites to win the AL East – Cashman and co. do not (or maybe they are just burying their heads in the sand).

    Perhaps this is the reason behind them delaying the surgery to Alex Rodriguez? The conspiracy theory is that they don’t really want him to play one game this year so they can recoup $25 million in insurance.

    As a member of Team Greedy, I admit to being spoiled. I’m used to my ballclub leading the way in the pursuit of the top free agents. In modern-day sport, money talks. That’s why the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid and Man Utd dominate European soccer year after year. They’re fans won’t accept being second best – and certainly not when it comes to acquiring the best players, luxury tax or not luxury tax.

  76. Tackelberry January 17th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Cashmoney January 17th, 2013 at 11:21 am
    I am hoping for 2-20 start out of the gate.

    —————————————-

    Thats our faithful fan base for ya

  77. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    JAP,

    I have paid for many batting lessons for my son in the past, and I assure you Stewart doesn’t do much right. Awful.

    Incidentally, one of the batting coaches he had was Trey Hillman. Great guy and hitting coach. I wonder where he is now.

  78. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I would like them to incorporate the saber perspective with some qualitative evaluations, but I think they are too prescriptive and overdo the quantitative, and overrate D…

    It will be interesting to see what Patterson’s influence on the pitching is. Sounds like with the A’s Patterson was more the mental side of the game coach, while Ron Romanick was the mechanics guy (article I read in BA in December). I did like that Patterson allows his pitchers’ the autonomy to make their own decisions regarding pitch choices/mechanics to a certain extent, played to pitcher strength rather than trying to reinvent the pitcher. I think we may have done too much reinventing/tweaking in the past. Especially shelving sliders for curveballs, changing deliveries, like short striding Betances. Wonder if there will be a discernible difference with Patterson in the mix.

    austinmac, fear not. Blake will give Stewart the “paste;” a couple of brushed teeth later, and Stewie will be able to compete and uphold the great Yankee catcher hitting tradition.

  79. blake January 17th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    “Next year this time, all the comments are going to be asking how the Yanks could have let the Dodgers sign Cano, and why didn’t they trade him.”

    Wave, howdy….an sadly I share your concerns

  80. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Chip,

    You are saying the Yankees value catchers by the vague, very subjective pitcher handling quality? I am a very nice guy who could talk pleasantly with all pitchers and give them great encouragement. I should be a candidate.

  81. Cashmoney January 17th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    mac, my guess is Vegas will have yanks at 89-91 win odds.

  82. blake January 17th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    “austinmac, fear not. Blake will give Stewart the “paste;” a couple of brushed teeth later, and Stewie will be able to compete and uphold the great Yankee catcher hitting tradition.”

    If “the paste” can’t get Stewie to hit the ball out of the infield then nothing will.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock January 17th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Chip,

    I am bound for an appointment, but re your distinction about handling a staff, Martin made some very strange calls in terms of pitch selection and nothing about him makes me think he remotely belongs in the Skinner or Molina category, although he was pumped up by Cashman and Girardi ad infinitum. It’s also a bit odd that the team ace did not like throwing to him.

    Sure managers and coaches build teams in their own image all the time, but it has to be done with some semblance of balance. Girardi’s skewed perspective had directly led to an imbalance on this team that has handcuffed it offensively. Reminds me of Rex Ryan’s shenanigans with the Jets, but that’s another soap opera.

    I’m out.

    Good day, all.

  84. Chip January 17th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Chip,

    You are saying the Yankees value catchers by the vague, very subjective pitcher handling quality? I am a very nice guy who could talk pleasantly with all pitchers and give them great encouragement. I should be a candidate.
    ———————–

    Yup that’s exactly what I’m saying. If you think you can do it then might I suggest investing in a flight to Tampa and trying to get a tryout.

    (I have decided to respond to silliness with sarcasm rather than chasing you down the rabbit hole)

  85. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    If “the paste” can’t get Stewie to hit the ball out of the infield then nothing will.

    blake, QFT. I have faith in the paste.

  86. blake January 17th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Cashmoney says:
    January 17, 2013 at 11:31 am
    mac, my guess is Vegas will have yanks at 89-91 win odds.

    I think that’s about where they are right now…..that could grab a WC spot but they are carrying serious risk of missing the playoffs with this roster…..they will really have to pitch well I think to make it as is

  87. blake January 17th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    @Jim_Duquette: According to ppl close to Napoli, Texas did NOT jump in on negotiations or offer more $$$ than Boston

  88. Chip January 17th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    There are many instances where team aces don’t like throwing to the regular catcher – the theory is that they can work more one-on-one with the back up to ensure that they’re on the same page for each start whereas the starter has to work with multiple pitchers.

    For example:

    Andy pitched to Leyritz not Girardi
    Johnson didn’t work with Posada
    Maddux worked with Eddie Perez not Javy Lopez

    etc…

    Maybe CC liked working with Stewart over Martin because he could sit and set up a strategy with Stewart on a more personal level whereas Martin had to also focus on working with 4 other starters.

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock January 17th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    JAP,

    I have paid for many batting lessons for my son in the past, and I assure you Stewart doesn’t do much right. Awful.

    Incidentally, one of the batting coaches he had was Trey Hillman. Great guy and hitting coach. I wonder where he is now.
    ///

    I remember Hillman. Good luck to the youngen. Yeah, just sayin that Martin was pumped up because he has some power. He has no idea how to work a pitcher, even though he takes a walk now and then and can punish slop.

    Good day.

  90. blake January 17th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Sign Bourn and trade Granderson for all Seattles prospects

  91. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Martin was actually capable of putting together good at bats with a nice level swing… that’s what ended up being the most infuriating about his swing from the heels approach 70% of the time. He was like the AJ Burnett of hitters. I don’t think ability was the issue, his approach was just awful and I’m not sure we had the right mix of players/coaching staff to correct it.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock January 17th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    Chip,

    I’m aware of all that. Posada did not have a rep as a great defensive catcher. Getting Martin shoved down your throat and hearing him spoken of in deified company and then noting C didn’t want him to catch him was a source of comedy.

    Later.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock January 17th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Shame,

    Martin did/does not know how to work pitchers. He could discipline himself not to swing, but he didn’t really fight off pitches well or have prolonged ABs. His “level swing” was inconstant and his stance was offbalance often. The idea that there was a good hitter lurking there I think is misplaced. MO.

    Good day, indeed!

  94. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Chip,

    My point is subjectivity tends to be more error prone than objectivity. I suppose when the objective evidence–offensive production, runners thrown out, passed balls don’t suggest a good catcher, just fall back on something no one can argue with. But, can they frame pitches?

    I would prefer a catcher who objectively is not well below league average.

  95. Chip January 17th, 2013 at 11:43 am

    Blake – I don’t want Bourn – Trade Granderson to Texas for Murphy, Gentry and one of their 2nd tier guys (as in not Olt or Profar)

    Go out and sign Pronk to be the DH

    Pick up Kotteras

    Sign Kelly Johnson

  96. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    JAP,

    He isn’t a youngin’ anymore, but he did get a four year college scholarship out of it.

  97. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    blake January 17th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Cashmoney says:
    January 17, 2013 at 11:31 am
    mac, my guess is Vegas will have yanks at 89-91 win odds.

    I think that’s about where they are right now…..that could grab a WC spot but they are carrying serious risk of missing the playoffs with this roster…..they will really have to pitch well I think to make it as is

    ————————-

    I actually think they’ll still make the playoffs and even win the division but only because we have a much weaker division this year. If you don’t expect the O’s to repeat, Boston is still not a great club (definitely not 20 wins better than last year), and the Jays are a mystery. I think the main competition might be the Rays and they still don’t have a ton of offense.

    This is probably part of the reason why the Yanks can’t pick a lane.

  98. disco stu January 17th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    “mac, my guess is Vegas will have yanks at 89-91 win odds.”

    If so, take the Under

  99. Chip January 17th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Mac -

    I get what you’re saying, and I apologize if my last post was snippy.

    My point is that I think that the Yankees are more interested in having a catcher who has a good relationship with the pitchers than one who produces offensively. The feeling, as we’ve heard Cashman espouse before, is that they can find offense in other parts in the lineup and that “pitching is the key to the kingdom”. Whether you agree with that or not isn’t at issue. It’s what the Yankees are going with right now.

  100. Chip January 17th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Mac…further, I think ideally the Yankees would like to have an all around catcher and the hope is that Romine, or later Sanchez, is that guy. But if their choices are an all bat catcher or a catcher who is a catcher first and a hitter third or fourth, they’re going to go with the second guy each time.

  101. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    In my mind, for the Yankees to win the division they must have an unusual amount of good health for an old team. Jeter, Youkilis, and the old pitchers must be healthy all year. They have no replacements.

    I recall all writers and pundits believed the Yankees would add another starter to compete and provide insurance. No dice on that.

    Cashman said early on they wanted to add another utility player. No dice on that.

    It was said they wanted to add a DH. No dice on that.

    It was said they wanted a right handed outfield bat. Nope.

    Yes, the Yankees have filled all their needs for now and in the future.

  102. blake January 17th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Chip,

    Id want Bourn if it was a one year deal…..Id want no part on a multi year deal but he will probably be a better player than Granderson in 2013

  103. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Martins first 3-4 seasons weren’t nearly as bad as the numbers he posted with the Yanks. I’m not saying there is or was a great hitter in there, I’m just saying he displayed more consistent ability in the past. I don’t think all hitters need to be good at working a pitcher, necessarily. Obviously, it’s ideal, but different hitters have different strengths. There were times when Martin was able to stay back in the zone and keep his swing level and it was then that he looked his best… he just never kept at it, it only came in flashes. It’s all moot now, of course. I didn’t see him play enough with the Dodgers to decide whether or not KLong, the approach of the team in general, or the pressure/lure to hit HRs to that short porch are to blame or if Martin just hurt his back and couldn’t physically do whatever he was doing before that made him a more consistent hitter.

  104. Tackelberry January 17th, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Chip January 17th, 2013 at 11:43 am
    Blake – I don’t want Bourn – Trade Granderson to Texas for Murphy, Gentry and one of their 2nd tier guys (as in not Olt or Profar)

    Go out and sign Pronk to be the DH

    Pick up Kotteras

    Sign Kelly Johnson

    _____________________________________

    I think I’d prefer Luke Scott over Pronk. Scott can also play the outfield. The other 2 definitely

  105. Jerkface January 17th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Martin used to go the other way more consistently.

  106. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    In my mind, for the Yankees to win the division they must have an unusual amount of good health for an old team. Jeter, Youkilis, and the old pitchers must be healthy all year. They have no replacements.

    ——————-

    Oh a lot would have to go right, but given the competition I don’t think it’s impossible.

    The Red Sox, for example, will not win the division with that team. I feel more than comfortable with that prediction. If the Rays can’t hit, the O’s can’t repeat the magic, and the Jays can’t stay healthy, I think we still have a good shot at winning the division.

    I realize that’s not exactly a vote of confidence, but I think the division might be factoring into all these non-moves/2 lane driving.

  107. yankeefeminista January 17th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    In my mind, for the Yankees to win the division they must have an unusual amount of good health for an old team. Jeter, Youkilis, and the old pitchers must be healthy all year. They have no replacements.
    _____
    This is the thing. We were in the same situation last year. As I feared, players wore out/got injured, and the alternative was to put Ibanez in the field. We shouldn’t be putting ourselves in that position ever. We should have a viable young bench player that we aren’t afraid to use if injuries dictate it. Another team might have trusted a Zoilo, Mesa, etc. to fill in, but we always go with the vet presence regardless of the ramifications.

  108. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Apparently Red Bull is being sued for using deceptive marketing…

    Does Red Bull not give you wings??? Lie tellers.

  109. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Chip,

    As you know, virtually all Yankee dynasties have had good offensive catchers from Dickey to Berra to Howard to Munson to Posada. It is an advantage the Yankees have had to get offense out of the catchers spot along with SS, 2B and CF. Why change what works?

  110. blake January 17th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Martin wasn’t that good….but he was a decent defender….hit homers…and hit lefties….they have downgraded the position

  111. blake January 17th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    “As you know, virtually all Yankee dynasties have had good offensive catchers from Dickey to Berra to Howard to Munson to Posada. It is an advantage the Yankees have had to get offense out of the catchers spot along with SS, 2B and CF. Why change what works?”

    So have all the recent WS teams

  112. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    To make the playoffs they are likely going to have to win the division. The wild cards may very well come from elsewhere.

    The Jays will be the clear cut favorite. They had terrible injuries last year. With reaonable good health and their additions, they will be tough. Could they fail? Of course, but I like their chances.

  113. blake January 17th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Actually what was the last team to win a Ws without a good catcher?

  114. Shame Spencer January 17th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    :arrow:

  115. blake January 17th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    The Jays are really good….how good will depend on if their rotation stays healthy

  116. austinmac January 17th, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Many of us thought and said, okay, if they are downgrading on the offensive side of catching, they must make it up elsewhere. They have not. That is the big problem. Rather, they have let go the only guy who hit in the playoffs and the guy who has been one of the best hitters(objectively speaking) for the last four years. AROd is out for who really knows how long.

  117. igotid88 January 17th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    good

  118. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    yes

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    no


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