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Yankees avoid arbitration with Boone Logan

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 18, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have avoided arbitration with Boone Logan. According to his agent, Logan signed a one-year, $3.15 million deal. I believe that leaves Dave Robertson as the Yankees only arbitration-eligible player without a contract.

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  1. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    repost:

    And nick, though it might be that I am neither brilliant nor perceptive, I have “asked” in the past the both brilliant and perceptive question about who holds court when the court is divided. That’s more in reference to fan opinion here and was actually my way of attempting to point out that more-often-than-not there is little unanimity of opinion about anything here (other than wanting the Yanks to be a good team) and to scream “I win” about anything seems to be pretty shortsighted.

  2. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    austinmac January 18th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Shame,

    I was with you until you said Golden Girls. Maybe they hit a bit close to home. :)

    ————————–

    Sophia is basically my grandmother minus the wig.

  3. theREALkevin January 18th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    “Austin Jackson is the only big producer the Yankees let go.”

    WTF? He’s had three full seasons to prove what he can do. Montero has had one. Let’s give everyone a fair chance here.

  4. DONNYBROOK January 18th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    “The Golden Girls” never did anything for me. There is No Way Bea Arthur hooks-up with Herb Edelman. NO WAY

  5. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    I don’t think randy is going to name the Montero haters because the two people who come closest to fitting that description are Pat M and Bret the Hitman.

    Boone Logan. Woo hoo.

  6. FiretheUMPIRE January 18th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Where is Brett the Hitman?

  7. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 18th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    “The Golden Girls” never did anything for me. There is No Way Bea Arthur hooks-up with Herb Edelman. NO WAY

    ———————–

    You get a bad rep on here Donny but I value your contributions.. especially this one.

    True story: I’m friends with a gay couple that have a picture of themselves with Bea Arthur framed in an ‘I love my Grandma’ frame that looks like this: http://d26kxapmp05apn.cloudfro.....ame_aa.jpg

    It’s like fabulous if fabulous took PEDs.

  8. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    “And nick, though it might be that I am neither brilliant nor perceptive, I have “asked” in the past the both brilliant and perceptive question about who holds court when the court is divided. That’s more in reference to fan opinion here and was actually my way of attempting to point out that more-often-than-not there is little unanimity of opinion about anything here (other than wanting the Yanks to be a good team) and to scream “I win” about anything seems to be pretty shortsighted.”

    trisha-

    basically you saying that if derek jeter and cal ripken disagree on something concerning playing shortstop we’d all have a tough time knowing who was right.

    well yeah.

    part of what gives fans some fun in baseball is they can be right and the experts are wrong. but i guarantee you that the table is tilted towards people who played the game or who are very close to it.

    as an aside:
    if i had it to do over again in baseball. i’d do two things.
    1 learn spanish
    2 learn all the high level mathematics i could

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    “trisha-

    you, like nick in sf, over think what’s going on here.

    i said montero could catch in mlb.
    he precisely did that last summer.

    seattle has now gotten rid of olivo and jaso.
    it’s montero’s job by default… or actually by design.
    read jeff datz. it’s obvious they are high on montero’s catching .”

    randy, I would have preferred you respond to the questions I had asked you, based on what you had previously posted.

    But I will respond instead to what you just posted.

    1. I have been accused of being overly-analytical, which I believe is the same as over thinking, so okay, maybe I’m overthinking it.

    However –

    2. Because Montero or anyone else can catch in MLB doesn’t mean he should be catching in Yankee Stadium. I’m stating the obvious here, not singling out Montero.

    3. Because Seattle is high on Montero’s catching – if indeed they are – means little to nothing. The Yanks are not Seattle.

    Since I tend to be highly analytical, I can look at this another way. It could be that Seattle realized that Montero is more valuable to them as a catcher than as a DH and they need his bat, because it’s no secret that they have been woefully deficient in offense. So they might have decided that they will put whatever they have to into making Montero at least an average catcher because they value and need his bat. If they are thinking that way, it’s certainly not a ridiculous way to think.

    Maybe the Yankees, not being anywhere near as deficient as Seattle when it comes to offense, figured with Romine and Sanchez in the wings they would roll the dice and let Montero go. If they are thinking that way, it’s certainly not a ridiculous way to think.

  10. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    nick in sf-

    pat m and i have no problem having different opinions about montero.

    the reason is that we have respect for each other’s baseball experiences.

    it was the same way with sj44.

    he was opinionated but he was the real deal with the access he had in the game.

    i know it’s a hard concept for you to get but a shortstop doesn’t really know what a catcher does back there . players know their own position. baseball is a game of specialists.

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    “but i guarantee you that the table is tilted towards people who played the game or who are very close to it.”

    And those people (if you look at the catchers and scouts involved in making the decision to trade Montero) didn’t believe in his catching ability.

  12. FiretheUMPIRE January 18th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Where is sj44?

  13. theREALkevin January 18th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    “2. Because Montero or anyone else can catch in MLB doesn’t mean he should be catching in Yankee Stadium. I’m stating the obvious here, not singling out Montero.”

    This statement doesn’t make sense. If you are a capable MLB catcher, you could be so for any team in any stadium. Just because the Yankees have lore and history does not mean that all of the sudden a capable MLB player turns into incapable just by stepping on Yankee Stadium’s grass. It doesn’t work that way.

  14. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    I found this on a celebrity blog today in a post about Charlie Sheen of all people: ” I compare it to the cases of two baseball pitchers, Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte. Both used steroids—Clemens lied about his use, but Pettitte, when he was charged with using PEDs, came right out and admitted it, apologizing up front. Clemens is hated, but Pettitte avoided negative backlash almost entirely. A little bit of that is that people don’t like Roger Clemens, but a lot of it is that we do like people who own up to their own sh*t.”

    The Yankees are everywhere.

    And this particular celebrity journalist is Canadian. I can’t even believe they know the names of baseball players up there ;)

  15. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    And I have no problem with you and Pat M having different opinions.

    But today, several times, you’ve spiked the football (prematurely or not) in the face of people you label “Montero haters” so naturally folks might wonder who the “Montero haters” are.

    The two commenters, of regulars, who come closest to that description are Pat M and Bret the Hitman.

    So it might be a hard concept for you to get, but when you talk about how the “Montero haters” can still hope that Montero gets injured, you’re talking about Pat M whether you understand it or not. And that’s fine.

  16. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    “Maybe the Yankees, not being anywhere near as deficient as Seattle when it comes to offense, figured with Romine and Sanchez in the wings they would roll the dice and let Montero go. If they are thinking that way, it’s certainly not a ridiculous way to think.”

    trisha-

    i think it is a ridiculous way to think for 2013 .

    romine has a bad back and he’s going to be 24 this year.

    sanchez is way down there in the minors.

    there is no telling when he’ll arrive.

    the yankees took a strong catching hand two years ago and played it into a mess for 2013.

  17. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    trisha-

    and what’s up with their treatment of cervelli?

    why put all the trouble and time into developing him and then make him persona non grata with the yankees.

    tough love ?

    maybe, but the yankees handling of it’s catchers makes you wonder what they are doing with him.

    i’d start him, let him get in a hot streak , and trade his ass and get something for him.

    as it is the yankees have completely devalued the guy.

  18. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    So it might be a hard concept for you to get, but when you talk about how the “Montero haters” can still hope that Montero gets injured, you’re talking about Pat M whether you understand it or not.”

    patm would never hope montero got injured. real players aren’t wired that way.

    pat m just really liked russell martin so he was a little biased in that regard.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    “This statement doesn’t make sense. If you are a capable MLB catcher, you could be so for any team in any stadium. Just because the Yankees have lore and history does not mean that all of the sudden a capable MLB player turns into incapable just by stepping on Yankee Stadium’s grass. It doesn’t work that way.”

    Seriously? Then why don’t the Yankees go out and just grab any MLB catcher who is available? And why don’t they get just any player who is capable of playing ANY position in the MLB and stick them in Yankee Stadium?

    randy, our resident expert, has already said that he thinks that Montero can be an average catcher if he works as hard as Nettles did.

    The Yankees don’t seem to specialize in players who might someday be average at their positions. If they did, they wouldn’t have 27 world championship titles.

    *******************

    “the yankees took a strong catching hand two years ago and played it into a mess for 2013.”

    What was the strong catching hand?

  20. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Montero largely matters because the Yankees don’t have a catcher (or a young potential impact bat, but I digress).

    We were told Martin was the catcher, so Montero was expendable, but even that turned out to be wrong.

    So until and unless Romine proves that he is ML ready and healthy enough to withstand a full season (which he hasn’t done in two years), Montero represented their best option.

  21. austinmac January 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Of the catchers we have, Cervelli has the most offensive ability, with Romine’s unknown. He sure can hit better than Stewart. If Romine doesn’t impress in the spring, I hope a new calmer behind the plate Cervelli wins the job.

    There are only so many times in a season I can watch Stewart hit.

    It is a bit amazing that the Yankees drafted so many catchers and it was considered their position of strength to be left with such an unknown.

  22. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    “Just because the Yankees have lore and history does not mean that all of the sudden a capable MLB player turns into incapable just by stepping on Yankee Stadium’s grass.”

    Uh, I guess you haven’t paid close attention to players who have wilted in the Bronx and prospered elsewhere. We’re talking some human nature 101 here, not rocket science!

  23. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    It is a bit amazing that the Yankees drafted so many catchers and it was considered their position of strength to be left with such an unknown.

    ——————-

    Yeah this is the problem.

    We don’t even have an ‘average’ catcher right now. We have an unknown AAA guy, a back up, and a guy that refers to himself in the third person.

  24. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    “It is a bit amazing that the Yankees drafted so many catchers and it was considered their position of strength to be left with such an unknown.”

    It’s a gut punch at this point.

  25. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    I’m still mad about them not making a play for Jaso.

  26. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    What was the strong catching hand?
    posada , molina, cervelli, montero, romine, and sanchez

    something went haywire when martin was thrown in the mix.

    the bottom line is they are really weak at the catcher position going into 2013.

    no one thought that would happen a few years ago.

  27. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    So you’re not even talking about the actual Montero haters when you talk about the Montero haters?

    We need to update the LoHud lexicon.

  28. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    “I’m still mad about them not making a play for Jaso.”

    based on past experience, cashman is about as likely to call jack z as he is louise meanwell.

  29. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    “So you’re not even talking about the actual Montero haters when you talk about the Montero haters?”

    i’m trying to decide who is more of a sophist, you or trisha?

    “Sophism in the modern definition is a specious argument used for deceiving someone”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism

  30. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    I never thought they’d miss Molina. My bad.

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    “no one thought that would happen a few years ago.”

    Life is what happens when you’re busy making plans, right?

    So people do the best they can with the information they have at hand and hope it works out. It doesn’t always. Sometimes it does.

    But because you or others disagree with the Montero trade – or any other move – doesn’t mean that you got it right.

    Which goes back to my point about fan opinion. There’s division of thought on everything. There are still fans who believe the Montero trade was the right thing to do. And they believe it as strongly as you may believe otherwise. And their reasons are as compelling to them as your reasons are to you.

    At this point, I really have no strong opinion one way or the other. I will always prefer that the catcher be a strong defensive position but that’s in keeping with my bent in the game – I am into strong pitching and defense. So do I understand the trade from that perspective? Yes I do. Would I have been tickled pink if they didn’t trade Montero? Yes I would have.

  32. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    But sophism is in the eye of the beholder, randy.

    When you talk about these “Montero haters” in such a derisive way but then can’t admit (or can’t recognize) who it is that you’re actually talking about, it sure sounds like you’re using a specious argument to deceive someone (maybe yourself).

  33. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    nick in sf-

    try to stay on point.

    montero can catch.

    he is going to catch

    you want me to name a montero hater.

    try cashman.

    he’s going to really be hating montero as he gains experience this summer because cashman’s job is going to be on the line if he does really well.

    you have to admit, things have taken a surprising turn in seattle.

    i find it extremely amusing.

  34. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    randy – you dance all over this forum like someone on jumping beans when your thumbs are put to the fire.

    If you consider my arguments specious, then you do. But they’re not put out to deceive anybody. They’re put out there to add potential dimension to things here that oftentimes appear one dimensional! I like to think, remember? If you don’t, that’s your problem.

    If your arguments aren’t meant to deceive, then I’d like you not to skirt questions about things you say and start to answer directly.

  35. Jerkface January 18th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Nick is staying pretty much on the point *you* brought up, which is to reference montero haters multiple times in the past 2 hours.

  36. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    I would call them Montero “un-appreciate-ors”

  37. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    trisha, nick in sf, jerkface

    you are all just jealous because you have no baseball eyes :)

  38. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Pat M has baseball eyes and I’m not at all jealous of him. In fact I admire him greatly.

  39. FiretheUMPIRE January 18th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Or the Montero forgive-them-for-they-know-not-what-they-doers.

    *cue Church organ music*

  40. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    So it has nothing at all to do with someone having baseball eyes. What exactly are baseball eyes, anyway?

    These?

    :shock:

  41. DONNYBROOK January 18th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    Just observing from my corner booth, but I gotta say, Dancing Randy is turning The Waffle House into “Shin Dig”.

  42. FiretheUMPIRE January 18th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    These eyes are cryin’

    These eyes have seen a lot of loves
    But they’re never gonna see
    another one like I had with you

  43. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    randy, as far as I can tell, staying “on point” and “overthinking things” to you means asking questions that you can’t or won’t answer.

    I think you’re having trouble with your narrative gritty baseball talk.

  44. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Uh oh.

  45. FiretheUMPIRE January 18th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    It’s conversations like these that make LOHUD a laughingstock in the blogosphere.

    But then again, what do they know? The blogosphere has crumbled and fallen inferior to Twitterdome.

  46. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    And randy, don’t make me bring up the fact that you told this entire forum that Pineda had no change up and came with only two pitches. You didn’t say he had a weak one (which would have been just your opinion since he himself said he felt comfortable with his change up – but what does he know) or that he had one he was working on. You said he had none.

    So when you get antsy about some of us not wanting to take your baseball instincts to the bank, at least remember that!

  47. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    The blogosphere is just jealous because it doesn’t have baseball eyes.

    See ya!

  48. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    nick in sf-

    we simply have so little respect for each other that it’s almost impossible to have a civil baseball discussion.

    the fact is montero can catch as i said he could, and seattle thinks so too which is why they’ve traded jaso away and not resigned olivo.

    as i said quite amusing.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    nick – yeah, you can never tell what’s happening with the big in-between!

  50. Jerkface January 18th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    To be fair, Randy’s XBOX had not yet received the updated info on Pineda’s change up.

  51. FiretheUMPIRE January 18th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    So the key to your self-esteem rest with the discovery of how the Twittersphere views LOHUD.

  52. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    randy is unequivocally right about one thing: If Montero is used as a catching, he is a catcher.

  53. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    as a catcher…

  54. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    “And randy, don’t make me bring up the fact that you told this entire forum that Pineda had no change up and came with only two pitches”

    trisha,

    please don’t do that trisha. i’d look really bad if you ran out everything i said about pineda :)

    i thought we were talking about montero.

    and the dearth of yankee catching for 2013.

    try to stay on point.

  55. FiretheUMPIRE January 18th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    If Jesus Montero can OPS over .700 and catch the majority of games until August 1st when Zunino replaces him then Jesus Montero is passable as a catcher on a last place team and possibly the worst team in baseball with clearly the worst offense. With the fences moved in, in Seattle, I think he has a great chance. And that is my expert Waffle-House-goer opinion. My final answer.

  56. jacksquat January 18th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    I don’t think even the Yankees said that Montero couldn’t be a defensively below average catcher. I don’t think that’s the standard that needs to be met considering all that has been said by some people here.

  57. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    randy, I’m fine that you don’t respect me, just like I was okay with you saying you hated my guts and that you’d rather shoot yourself than admit that you had lost a bet or an argument with me — that’s all fine.

    But what makes it difficult to hold any kind of discussion with you is that you don’t always follow the basic rules of honest discourse. You’ve shown it again today; staying “on point” to you doesn’t mean sticking to the subject of the conversation, it means ignoring anything and everything that doesn’t push your agenda of the moment, which in this case seems to be raising the “Mission Accomplished” banner on the question of Montero’s catching future.

    I have seen Montero catch a baseball that was thrown towards him by a major league pitcher during a real live game, so there’s really no dispute that he can and has played that position.

  58. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Maybe we should create a twittercylinder to show all those people who have Twitterspheres

  59. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Wait… why are we worried about how many games Montero will catch this August again?

    Anyway, I wish we had an average catcher right now. I still don’t get how they didn’t pursue Jaso if he was on the block for such a small return.

  60. DONNYBROOK January 18th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Yea, how dare you challenge the qualifications of this Expert with his own words.

  61. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Maybe we should create a twittercylinder to show all those people who have Twitterspheres

    —————

    We could put it in our hyperbolic chamber!

  62. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    —————

    “We could put it in our hyperbolic chamber!”

    Yes!

  63. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    “To be fair, Randy’s XBOX had not yet received the updated info on Pineda’s change up.”

    jerkface-

    keep trying to get into this debate about montero, yankee catching, and the yankees seeming inability to develop catchers.

    i’ll let you know when we get to a business of baseball argument.

    then i’ll pay attention to you because you’re quite good with that.

    i’m not so sure on your on field baseball expertise.

    so what was that you were saying about pineda’s extreme spin move being no problem?

    never mind.

    that is off topic :)

  64. DONNYBROOK January 18th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Twittercylinder = Huge Lava Lamp

  65. FiretheUMPIRE January 18th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    :lol:

  66. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    @DKnobler

    Corey Hart to have right knee surgery next Tuesday, 3-4 month recovery, Brewers announce.

  67. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Shame, I’m not worried about how many games Montero will catch in August and I don’t know whether the Yankees did or not look inquire about Jaso.

    Probably not, they don’t do anything people here suggest.

  68. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    As I’ve said….I don’t think they could have gotten jaso without giving Granderson and that woukd have been counterproductive most likely

  69. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    I saw that you and Fire had both made references to how much he’d catch in August and I wasn’t sure if there was some significance to that month.

    My post from 1:05pm is still awaiting moderation, btw…

  70. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    It is my opinion that nick actually does have respect for randy but is at the ready to point out inconsistencies. It is my opinion that randy has no respect for nick.

    If I have it wrong, I’m sure I’ll hear about it.

    ******************

    randy, I brought up Pineda because you said three of us (anyway) were jealous because we did not have baseball eyes. Once again you refused to answer directly or respond to something.

    1. I asked what baseball eyes were and asked if this – :shock: – is an example. You did not answer.

    2. I mentioned that your putting out incorrect information could necessarily cause some to question your baseball acumen or judgement, thereby rendering any baseball eyes relatively useless!

    :D

    Carry on!

  71. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    “My post from 1:05pm is still awaiting moderation, btw…”

    You should stop trying to slip curse words by the filter….it knows and sees all

  72. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    “If Jesus Montero can OPS over .700 and catch the majority of games until August 1st when Zunino replaces him then Jesus Montero is passable as a catcher on a last place team and possibly the worst team in baseball with clearly the worst offense”

    fire the umpire-

    if seattle improves as much as they improved this past year, they’ll only be about five games behind what a lot of posters have predicted for the yankees ( 88 wins).

    the problem is the yankees appear to be regressing. seattle’s gain really has been the yankees loss.
    the yankees somehow turned a strong catching hand into a weak one.

  73. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Hart was a guy some wanted to trade for….glad they didn’t

  74. DONNYBROOK January 18th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    If I’m picking teams in the school yard, I go with Grandy before Morse. Meaning the Yanks woulda got more than just Jaso for Granderson.

  75. FiretheUMPIRE January 18th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    Seattle’s offense is so bad they traded their starting catcher for 1 year of a guy who never plays a full season. They are the worst hitting team in baseball. They finished dead last in OPS. I can see why Jesus Montero is getting a shot there. If not there, then nowhere Randy. NO-WUR

  76. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    We got 3 inches of snow last night and I had to cancel work today because none of the employees could make it in…..no lie….ah the south ….where everyone has a 4 wheel drive but everyone is home bound in 3 inches of snow

  77. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    DONNYBROOK says:
    January 18, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    If I’m picking teams in the school yard, I go with Grandy before Morse. Meaning the Yanks woulda got more than just Jaso for Granderson.

    Maybe so….but how much more and would they have gotten somebody to replace Grandy in 2013? Doubtful given that Seattle is trying to add offense not lose it

  78. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    blake – Yeah it depends on what they could have gotten back besides Jaso.. or what other moves it may have pushed them to make. Still, 3 years of Jaso for 1 year of anyone, especially and OFer, would have been a pretty good deal for us since our best C prospect is a while off.

  79. Nick in SF January 18th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    August is a month I chose for my question. Zumino could be up by then while preserving another season of service time. Montero would have had several more months of catching under his belt. So it will be curious what happens by then. It could just as easily be July, if they bring Zumino up earlier, or September if they bring him up later. Or they could not bring him up at all.

    For reference, in 2010 Benjie Molina caught a lot of games for the Giants in April and Buster Posey caught none. But in August of that year, it was Buster who caught a lot of games and Molina who caught none.

    Not a perfect analogy, of course.

  80. DONNYBROOK January 18th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    The 4 Wheelers believe they can drive anywhere, at any speed, in the snow. You are better off with them at home, if you are gonna be out on the road.

  81. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    We got 3 inches of snow last night and I had to cancel work today because none of the employees could make it in…..no lie….ah the south ….where everyone has a 4 wheel drive but everyone is home bound in 3 inches of snow

    ——————-

    I heard there’s a pretty crazy snow storm in London as well.

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  82. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    I mean if you can trade for Upton or sign Bourn to a short deal first…..then trade Granderson for Jaso+ then that’d be awesome….alas

  83. FiretheUMPIRE January 18th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

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    Seattle could call up Zunino after selling Montero as a .700 OPS catcher. They did just move-in the fences.

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  85. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 3:46 pm

    “I don’t think even the Yankees said that Montero couldn’t be a defensively below average catcher. I don’t think that’s the standard that needs to be met considering all that has been said by some people here.”

    What was Piazza or Posada defensively? Average for a short or very short period of their career, but below average for larger parts.

  86. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

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  87. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    trisha,

    first of all, you ask any baseball question to me prefaced on the fact you think i’m a baseball fraud. no problem. but let’s be out there about that.

    now to answer your “questions”
    1. I asked what baseball eyes were ?

    the simple answer is if you spend thousands of hours performing any athletic activity you will develop some eyes for watching someone else do that activity.

    2. I mentioned that your putting out incorrect information could necessarily cause some to question your baseball acumen or judgement, thereby rendering any baseball eyes relatively useless!

    the reason i say and still say pineda was a two pitch pitcher is that his change up was so bad i wouldn’t give it credit for being a third pitch.

    now you may disagree , but i don’t think a plus fastball and a plus slider and a really pathetic change up make a pitcher a three pitch pitcher.

  88. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    “Get McCann next year”

    It may well be that a massive underperformance by the Yankees this season is the only thing to get Hal to spend in 2014. If they win, he will likely be sated.

  89. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    Nick – Ah, I understand why August was brought up now.

    Interesting.

    I don’t know much about Zunino other than his defense isn’t rated as high as his offense. I vaguely remember reading about footwork issues, which sounds pretty familiar.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Seattle eventually moves Montero to 1B down the road, but it sounds like this year they might be working with two C’s that have some defensive flaws.

    Despite randy’s poor bedside manner, I still agree with him that moving both Olivio and Jaso means they feel comfortable with Montero behind the dish for most of the year. It certainly looks like a vote of confidence or at least seems like they’re confident in what they have with both Montero and Zunino behind him on the depth chart.

  90. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    They probably wouldn’t like MCCanns defense and his name isn’t Stewie

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    “the yankees somehow turned a strong catching hand into a weak one.”

    OR

    What appeared to be a strong catching now appears to be a weak one?

    Could it be (if it is the case) that the Yankees didn’t turn it into a weak hand, but it turned into a weak hand without them being the intervening variable? I hope I don’t have to explain how the two statements could be different with the end result being the same thing.

    Just putting it out there.

  92. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if Seattle eventually moves Montero to 1B down the road”

    I had this thought that the next Yankee GM made a trade to get him back…then I woke up…in a cold sweat.

  93. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    I bet McCann would go by the name Stewie for enough money…

  94. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    I think I have myself a hernia building a snowman this morning…..made that second layer a bit too big

    —————–

    With 3 inches of snow?? I’m picturing the snowman from To Kill a Mockingbird.

  95. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    January 18, 2013 at 3:53 pm
    I bet McCann would go by the name Stewie for enough money…

    Yea but Girardi would notice that it wasn’t the real deal when he hit a ball part the infield in BP

  96. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “With 3 inches of snow?? I’m picturing the snowman from To Kill a Mockingbird.”

    Nah it’s like 6 feet tall! Rolled up all the snow in the yard

  97. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    “I wouldn’t be surprised if Seattle eventually moves Montero to 1B down the road”

    I had this thought that the next Yankee GM made a trade to get him back…then I woke up…in a cold sweat.

    ———————–

    He would only be 26 when Tex’s contract is up :twisted:

  98. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    “Could it be (if it is the case) that the Yankees didn’t turn it into a weak hand, but it turned into a weak hand without them being the intervening variable? ”

    trisha,

    you may have a future in the yankee front office- vice president of spin.

    sure , it’s possible.

  99. jacksquat January 18th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    so what was that you were saying about pineda’s extreme spin move being no problem?

    for everyone, here’s what Randy is talking about:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CueimPNwYAY

    he spins and ends up walking towards first base.

  100. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    So I am looking for a place to move where there is no snow, not now, but sometime in the not too too distant future. Wherever blake lives is out.

  101. jacksquat January 18th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    now watch this one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauiJA0Yr4I

  102. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    Yea I wanted Montero to be the 1B of the future and catch awhile until then …..alas….defense holds the keys to the kingdom

  103. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    January 18, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    So I am looking for a place to move where there is no snow, not now, but sometime in the not too too distant future. Wherever blake lives is out.

    I hear Maui is nice

  104. jacksquat January 18th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Lots of pitchers do what Randy sees as a fault and don’t get serious injuries.

    Stick to catcher mechanics, Randy.

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    Thank you, Jacksquat, I didn’t want to have to go back and find the multiple youtubes I posted refuting that original point :)

  106. blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Actually I know Maui is nice

  107. Rich in NJ January 18th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    “Actually I know Maui is nice”

    I think my g/f would have a tough time find a job there, but otherwise!

  108. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    blake -

    i don’t think it’s so easy to turn a catcher into a first baseman unless they start in the minor leagues.

    i think montero might be getting past the point he could learn to play first.

  109. blake January 18th, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Eh….anybody can play 1B….if you can catch you can play 1B. Now he may never be mark Teixera over there but lots of catchers have made that transition later on without embarrassing themselves…..Carlos Santana, VMart…..etc

  110. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 18th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    randy, my opinion is that you are either being disingenuous or you have forgotten exactly what you said. You were clear on the fact that Pineda did not have a change up, period.

    Also, I ask you baseball questions based on what you say on these boards. I don’t look at you and your opinions differently from the way I look at any other poster here. So I am not looking for expertise when I pose questions to you any more than I look from it from anyone else!

    Yes I have accused you of being a fraud in the past because I think you do far too much namedropping. That kind of thing always makes me queasy. Others may love it. Also you do far too much yapping about how only people who have played the game can know it, or words to that effect. I’d say that a huge portion of Yankee Stadium would disagree with you vociferously.

    ****************

    Shame, it may very well be they are comfortable with Montero behind the plate and it may turn out that he is one hell of a catcher before all is said and done. It also might be that they value his offensive potential so much and are so in need of that offense that they are willing to let him do what the stats have shown to date (I believe I am correct in stating this) and that is that he hits much better when he is catching than as a DH. Of course if that is an incorrect statement, that this argument on its head. :)

  111. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    blake January 18th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “With 3 inches of snow?? I’m picturing the snowman from To Kill a Mockingbird.”

    Nah it’s like 6 feet tall! Rolled up all the snow in the yard

    —————–

    Color me impressed, blake!

  112. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    trisha – It’s totally possible and I have no idea… but I do know this topic wouldn’t even be coming up if we had an average catcher on both sides of the ball.

    I’m just not happy with a back up catcher, a AAA guy who didn’t play last year, and Cervelli as our options.

    I’m hoping somehow Cervelli and Romine tandem to create decent production, but I can’t imagine any tandem with Cervelli is going to give you above average defense.

    Signing Jaso would have been a great bridge move… you could see what you have with Romine and give him more time to develop.

  113. randy l. January 18th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    “You were clear on the fact that Pineda did not have a change up, period.”

    at what point does that thing pineda throws become a change up?

    trying to throw a change up doesn’t make it a change up.

    pineda’s change up was so bad, i still call him a two pitch pitcher.

  114. Shame Spencer January 18th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Is this mick’s twitter account??

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    Is this a tweetuh thing? I dont like twittuh things foah da most paht. Im not big on tweetuh as a sawse, ok.

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