More to contract negotiations than the CBA and the luxury tax
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 22, 2013 
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In roughly 10 months, Derek Jeter will decide whether to accept his player option for 2014, and that decision could have a significant impact on the Yankees desire to get below $189 million.
Is Jeter going to be thinking about the collective bargaining agreement and the luxury tax when he makes his choice? Probably not. Certainly not nearly as much as he’ll be thinking about his own longevity and earning potential.
We’ve spent so much time discussing the luxury tax threshold – what it means, how it’s calculated, and why the Yankees are trying to avoid it – that it’s easy to forget there are other factors at play when it comes to payroll and contracts.
A team’s payroll might be determined based on average annual value, but as Joe explained this morning, that doesn’t stop players from preferring a front-loaded deal, and it doesn’t stop ownership from wanting a back-loaded deal. Rafael Soriano’s deferred payments might not matter according to the rules of the CBA, but you can bet they matter to the folks who are actually paying his salary, and you can bet they played a role in Soriano landing in Washington.
Payroll might be the most discussed Yankees expense, but it’s certainly not the only expense that weighs on the organization and affects Hal Steinbrenner’s decision making.
How might the time value of money, as explained by Joe, play a role in the Yankees attempt to get below the luxury tax? The only thing I can think of would be front-loading contracts instead of back-loading them. By paying more money up front, a deal would be more valuable for the player without actually costing more in terms of average annual value.Of course, that would also make the contract more expensive for ownership, which might negate some luxury tax and revenue sharing savings.
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Watched Pete “Boo Hoo” Rose plead his case to Joe 6-Pack last night, via his Reality show. He even rolled out the soon-to-be step kids and got all “misty eyed” in front of them in an attempt to garner sympathy. Pitiful.
In recent days, I have observed that the AAA RailRiders, on their “official” roster available in the minor league section at http://www.yankees.com are listing Ryan Baker as a pitcher. Is this a low key way of announcing a major career change for the 5 year catcher/designated dl/team bus driver or is it simply a mistake in data entry by someone at MLBAM?
Getting the itch for baseball. Rented “Trouble With the Curve” last night. Very good movie. Clint Eastwood still rules.
MLB
OFFICIAL: @BlueJays sign INF Mark DeRosa to 1-year, $750K deal with $750K club option for 2014.
Does the exchange rate allow the Jays to have more than a 25 man roster?
yankeefeminista-
as far as pitcher stride length, i agree with you it’s a difficult thing to mess with.
when i was younger and into my hitting mechanics, coaches used to get concerned about my long stride. it used to really annoy me and then i saw a charley lau piece talking about how stride length is really hard to change. he said guys like mantle could not be changed and be the same hitter. mantle had a really long stride. so i learned what a long stride meant and what i should watch for. that’s different than changing stride length.
wang was calling neil allen long after allen had left the yankees. it always got back to wang over striding in relation to the shorter stride needed for the sinker. wang never got used to the shorter stride. of course he was throwing a new pitch, the sinker. there was a reason to shorten the stride.
the point is he constantly had to be reminded to do it right.the shorter stride never became natural even after winning 19 games twice.
i’m with youunless they are trying to teach a sinker, that they should let the pitcher take a natural stride and let it rip establishing a maximum fastball.
blake January 22nd, 2013 at 11:30 am
Sanchez had a .766 OpS at Tampa last year and hasn’t really mashed since the GCL….Montero was oPSing .989 at Tampa at the same age
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Tell that to Cash. As for Sanchez, he went up to A+ post ASB and at least in that last month at Tampa he cut down his K% by 7% to 19.6% and improved his OBP by 30 points. So, he’s progressing, plus he has been working on plate discipline and pitch selection, which may be affecting his pop.
Yanks just sent me an email offering 16 game Fri, Sat., Sun plans. You could not get these weekend plans even if you offered your first born in exchange during relocation. Now they are readily available. Hurting.
ericns1 January 22nd, 2013 at 11:50 am
Hey if Hal (aka Stat Sheet 189) doesn’t care about putting a first-rate product on the filed why should we fork over for expensive seats, and food. Maybe less attendance and lower TV subscriptions will cause him to take notice.
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Sure, I hear that.
What concerns me is they got themselves to this point by getting rid of all bats from the system that could have been entrenched in the lineup last season and the one prior (Melky, Ajax, Montero).
Now, looking at a 2-year gap (conservatively speaking) to our next generation of young, upside bats and position players, my fear is they will repeat the previous mistake and wipe out the store of these AA guys for a quick fix to salvage the present.
The same mistake, that caused the present problem, will be made again, in an effort to offset it in the now.
This is why you do not do it in the first place, but they may be poised to do it again.
I would almost rather they do NOTHING. That would of course make them middling to awful, save for the arms, and it would be a horrible way for Jeter’s career to conclude here, as well as Mo’s and Andy’s.
The fact that those are the choices is incontrovertible proof that these people have overstayed their welcome in the front office.
We could have had Melky/Ajax/Montero (or two of the three, 1 of the three?) to not only bridge the gap but be a legit contender.
Instead, it’s like we have to choose between Jeter and the future.
This is why they need to sign this Diaz kid, and give someone like Adams, Mustelier a chance. They can’t cheat the foundation to save the roof from caving in.
yanksfem,
I wouldn’t be shocked if they offered us seats in the dugout next.
Sanchez is at the bare minimum of offensive production for deserving a callup, and hasn’t really played enough games at the level. He certainly isn’t at the level that an elite hitting prospect like he is should be at. He seems to require more time to adjust at each step.
Tyler Austin is being invited to big league camp for spring, awesome. Means we may see him in some of the early games for sure. Good chance to impress .
Who else is invited to ML camp? Heathcott?
Austin is the guy that seems to acclimate quickly to the levels as he goes up….AA can be a stiffer test though so hopefully he will stay on the course he’s been on though
blake January 22nd, 2013 at 11:30 am
Sanchez had a .766 OpS at Tampa last year and hasn’t really mashed since the GCL….Montero was oPSing .989 at Tampa at the same age
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Also I wouldn’t say Sanchez hasn’t mashed since GCL, he was raking in 2011, having hit 8 homers in his last 13 games, but then sprained his left thumb and had to be shut down 3 weeks early. That last month before the injury, he had a 1.1 OPS+.
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Randy, it is always tricky messing with what comes naturally. Is it or isn’t it to the benefit of the player? Like what Rick Peterson and Co. do with biomechanics. I wonder if we incorporate any biomechanical analysis. I found it interesting the way they thought Bundy was at risk based on his delivery, but then after doing a biomechanical analysis, they concluded that he had a pretty clean delivery and therefore, they didn’t want to mess with it too much. They said had they just relied on video, they would not have been able to tell or know how much to tweak/not tweak. Interesting stuff.
I think Austin is going to start in A+.
Sanchez is just too talented to worry about him needing to plod along an uber-linear path when it comes to hitting.
He needs to continue to learn his catching craft, so the hitting may have dormant periods, but I’m not getting attached to those.
JR Murphy’s bat just got lost in the shuffle last year, but it was worth it because he really seems to be taking to catching.
G. Love January 22nd, 2013 at 12:23 pm
yanksfem,
I wouldn’t be shocked if they offered us seats in the dugout next.
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Maybe then we can find and chuck the binder.
I’ve said many times that I like Sanchez a ton and he’d be the guy Id least want to part with….but again suggesting you’d trade a guy for Justin Upton isn’t exactly a slap in the face
Murphy’s hitting slipped last year, maybe becuase he concentrated so much on improving his defense, which he did. He needs to bounce back this year offensively though to get himself back on the prospect map.
yanksfem,
I’ll sit on Girardi holding him down & let you and J.AP run the game.
They should really do a binder give-away this year. I wish the org had more of a sense of humor lol.
J. Alfred Prufrock January 22nd, 2013 at 11:31 am
Definitely true of Betances and that new delivery. I get their goal, but it ain’t working. Ditto, Joba. Hughes you can blame the hamstring injury, but still…
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YF, I liked what you dug up about Patterson letting the pitchers weigh in on their own mechanics.
I’m not a pitching technician, but I feel certain that too much messing around with something that is obviously arcane is a bad, bad policy. Joba was always “armsy” but you can really see a difference in terms of driving forward and their tweaks. Hughes I agree is probably a lot to do with the hamstring. In ST it was great to see him lower to the ground and driving to the plate more.
In Dellin’s case, there’s a dramatic difference, before and after, no question. Last year they cut his legs from under him to a comedic level. No wonder he had such a miserable year.
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Pruf, I agree that sticking to what is natural and not tweaking too much can often be a good thing. I hope Patterson practices what he preaches. Still wonder what his exact role was with A’s with Romanick there, as well.
I’d love to see Dellin revert back to previous delivery. I think rather than helping, that is screwing with his control. I think he goes to AAA, but I hope to get to see most of his starts anyway.
They never really sold the 16-game weekend plans in any sections better than terrace level but now they’re offering them all over the place. Of course they’re still going with the mandatory 3-weekday/day game “taxation” that infuriates me.
I once sold a pair of those for 28 cents each on Stubhub. Never did cash that check (.47 cents!!)
@MiaFarrow
For baseball buffs- photo – a polaroid- taken by Frank Sinatra of the great Sandy Koufax. I’m in it too. pic.twitter.com/nqDd07c6
Awesome.
Pruf, I agree that sticking to what is natural and not tweaking too much can often be a good thing. I hope Patterson practices what he preaches. Still wonder what his exact role was with A’s with Romanick there, as well.
I’d love to see Dellin revert back to previous delivery. I think rather than helping, that is screwing with his control. I think he goes to AAA, but I hope to get to see most of his starts anyway.
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I think 2010 they cut a reasonable deal with his Staten Island rear back and throw delivery with some little checkpoints that made him more compact, but last year, he looked like he was in a straight jacket. They took away his “violence” or momentum, it seems.
It’s like he comes to the top and just halts and starts over again. What is that??
He didn’t have a bad year, he had a Mercury in retrograde season, unlike him in most ways, including the amount of flies and line drives he gave up.
G.Love,
Maybe they can offer a perk like “getting up close and personal: learn the art of pitch framing, 1-on-1, from Stewie.”
JR had a lot on his plate because he did most of the catching. When I saw him live, he always had very good AB’s; kid doesn’t waste an AB. Had @9% BB and has some nice AB’s in the playoffs. Also he had an over 1 OPS on the road. Don’t forget the Trenton park suppresses hitting. I am not too worried about JR’s bat. And I think as he gets more comfortable with his overall game–D looks good–his O numbers will reflect his hitting abilities. Also he did have a two run homer in the clinching playoff game vs. Reading.
*had some
“I’ll sit on Girardi holding him down & let you and J.AP run the game.”
There’s something else that can be done with Girardi, and it would take a lot less effort, although he is far less at fault, imo, than Cashman.
Rich, He’s a symptom of a systemic issue, but at the same time, his views have fed the systemic problem and I would guess he was hired in part for holding those views.
He has to be a big reason Montero is an ex-Yankee, for instance.
It seems like a 360 degree mess.
Jeers, better than eating the tix, I guess. And you are reinvesting in the team: don’t think for a minute those pennies didn’t contribute to paying Stewie’s salary.
G.Love, sounds like a plan. A true dugout ticket plan, not the one only in name. Wow, Sunday seats are plentiful even close to the plate in mains.
Shame, nice pic!
Pruf
I think that’s right, but in most organizations, those above set limits on, or sometimes overrule, those below, and it would seem that at least nominally, the GM is at the top of the organizational hierarchy.
So it’s likely a joint
failureeffort, but the foregoing is why I think Cashman is the bigger problem.Also, Girardi excels at bullpen management. I’m not sure what Cashman excels at, other than office politics, at which it would appear that he is truly a ninja.
“Of course they’re still going with the mandatory 3-weekday/day game “taxation” that infuriates me.”
Jeers, QFT. At least they should then give Sunday seasons back their OD. My brother had those going back to the 70′s, but dumped them off when the Yankees no longer honored long time STH’s.
Thanks fem. LOVE that Mia Farrow has a Twitter account.. and makes really good use of it, btw. Her son’s tweet on Father’s Day was pretty classic!
Thanks for crushing the Rangers this weekend. The Devils home opener is tonight. They put the Conference Champs banner up yesterday with no fan fare. Some teams aren’t content to celebrate 2nd place
@Sky_Kalkman: Well *somebody* needs to block Domonic Brown. MT @mlbdailydish: #Phillies “seriously considering” signing Delmon Young. http://t.co/fzXQLclc
@SI_JoeLemire
Verducci’s annual Year-After Effect story on young pitchers: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....;eref=sihp …
Shame, you are welcome. We also crushed the Flyers, FTR.
Are you attending? I wanted to go to the Ranger-Pens game but tix were astronomical. We open at home tomorrow night vs. Leafs (shout out to jmills!)
Also, Girardi excels at bullpen management. I’m not sure what Cashman excels at, other than office politics, at which it would appear that he is truly a ninja.
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The last few years, he’s good at talking smack
Agree, it starts with him.
yankeefem – I’m all in on The Beau.
Hey now, let’s give credit where credit is due: office politics is practically a contact sport!
Shame, from article you just posted:
Last year I identified 14 young pitchers coming off workload increases of 30 innings or more. Nine of them suffered injuries or significant regression: Derek Holland, Dylan Axelrod, Jaime Garcia, Liam Hendricks, Eric Surkamp, Chris Schwinden, Daniel Hudson, Zach Stewart and Michael Pineda.
Pruf, Beau knows!!! I hope to see him live in a WBS game sometime soon. I would love to go up to Providence (old stomping ground. Hi Trish!) for the AHL All Star Game, but I have to work.
YF, Yanks and Penguins’ farm teams both in Scranton area. Weird, but convenient for those of us who root for both teams
blake, last time I saw Dominic, he was whiffing on a Betances fastball, and had no clue how to read the ball off the bat. His fielding is scary bad.
Pruf, unfortunately, I never get out there. I usually see SWB in LHV and saw WBS in Philly until they folded that franchise. So, this year, I will have to make a point of getting out to PA. for a SWB/WBS baseball-hockey doubleheader.
fem – I saw that too… I really do not understand what the hell they were doing with that kid in Spring Training. You go out and take a risk (admittedly!) by getting him, end up padding the rotation with Kuroda AND Pettitte, but you still let the kid air it out? Actually ask and put pressure on him publicly to air it out?? What. The. Eff.
And no, fem, I won’t be going to the game tonight. I found a great deal for tickets for a game against the Caps, so I’m cashing in an early bday gift by getting my uncle to take me at a discount. Note: I’m a cheap date, I’ll even FIND you the coupons.
Dellin owns Domonic Brown
yankeefeminista January 22nd, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Shame, from article you just posted:
Last year I identified 14 young pitchers coming off workload increases of 30 innings or more. Nine of them suffered injuries or significant regression: Derek Holland, Dylan Axelrod, Jaime Garcia, Liam Hendricks, Eric Surkamp, Chris Schwinden, Daniel Hudson, Zach Stewart and Michael Pineda.
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I notice he did not give the rate of injury/regression for pitchers who did not exceed the threshold.
Shame, Island has the best deals. I always go see the Pens out there. Cheap tix on Stubhub, and now that the Islanders are lame ducks (LI Duck pun intended), I am hoping the tix will even be cheaper. Poor LI hockey fans; I feel for them. We had our own battle with keeping the Pens in Pittsburgh.
YF, another weird Yankee-Penguin synchronicity:
They’re both the 2009 champions of their respective leagues
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“you still let the kid air it out? Actually ask and put pressure on him publicly to air it out?? What. The. Eff.”
Shame, smh, it was mad strange.
Shame, speaking of the Caps, I really want to go down to that Cap rink. Still haven’t been, although I used to go to the old rink in Landover a lot when I lived down there. I would have loved to have the hockey rink right in the city.
Speaking of hockey, do you post on any hockey boards?
IIRC, a couple of Strasburg’s teammates weren’t too thrilled they pulled the plug on him.
Thanks for posting that, Shame.
J. Alfred Prufrock January 22nd, 2013 at 1:35 pm
YF, another weird Yankee-Penguin synchronicity:
They’re both the 2009 champions of their respective leagues
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Difference between the teams: Pens kept their kids and have the two best players in the game to show for it, ages 25 and 26
yankeefeminista January 22nd, 2013 at 1:36 pm
“you still let the kid air it out? Actually ask and put pressure on him publicly to air it out?? What. The. Eff.”
Shame, smh, it was mad strange.
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It just makes you worry so much… I have no idea who the decision makers were on that, but the coaches, medical staff, and FO really need to get the medical stuff in order. I felt like they used to take a much more conservative approach that’s been abandoned in recent years.
Re: Hockey, I only really post on Fire and Ice, but not that much because I can only post from home (the board has serious technical issues, for some reason my IP in NY is blocked and I haven’t taken the time to get it fixed by the site owners). I feel bad for the Isle’s fans too, that will have to make the trek to Brooklyn going forward. I’m still holding out that NJ gets an NBA team again (I’m lookin’ at you, Shaq) so we can share a place with someone…. Brick City Ballers.
Pruf, I’d bet Sid and Malkin had hit better than Stewie.
Shame, there are a dearth of good hockey boards, IMHO.
*can hit better
yankeefeminista January 22nd, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Pruf, I’d bet Sid and Malkin had hit better than Stewie.
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Maybe
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDMxebBNvjU
Sid flashing the power; I knew he could outdo Stewie.
Looks like another school shooting: Multiple people have been shot at Lone Star College’s North Harris campus in Houston, Texas, according to KPRC. http://www.click2houston.com/n.....ource=kprc
“Looks like another school shooting…”
It’s almost a daily thing now. Serenity now.
This is awful, Shame. Hopefully no one was killed or maimed.
The problem is, anyone can kill anyone if that is their intent. We need to find out why certain people want to kill others they don’t even know, when the human impulse by and large is to protect even those we don’t know, and grieve for those we’ll never know in this world.
I don’t know what the ultimate answer is.
“I don’t know what the ultimate answer is.”
I doubt there is one, and we will never be able to stop it completely, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
This is a comforting read:
“It may not feel like it, but 2012 has been the greatest year in the history of the world. That sounds like an extravagant claim, but it is borne out by evidence. Never has there been less hunger, less disease or more prosperity. The West remains in the economic doldrums, but most developing countries are charging ahead, and people are being lifted out of poverty at the fastest rate ever recorded. The death toll inflicted by war and natural disasters is also mercifully low. We are living in a golden age.
….. Governments across the world appear stuck in what Michael Lind, on page 30, describes as an era of ‘turboparalysis’ — all motion, no progress. But outside government, progress has been nothing short of spectacular.”
http://nhne-pulse.org/2012-was.....2BPulse%29
Tweaking Youk; more on the KLong project to turn Youk’s clock back: http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....nce-81570/
I’m sorry to hear about the school shooting. Usual when one shooting occurs, another follows. I don’t have the heart to even read about it.
*Usually
http://www.milb.com/news/artic.....=news_milb
Interview with Tyler Austin..,,anybody who’s favorite show is Duck Dynasty is an A+ prospect in my view
…of course, fracking is a very controversial subject. Down here, there’s a staunch and very vocal movement against it.
rich in nj-
other countries don’t have the problem with school shootings to the extent that we do.
personally i think there are a lot of people in america who don’t get the concept that there are unintended consequences with their a simplistic understanding of their second amendment rights.
hopefully this one doesn’t have any fatalities.
Blake, thanks for posting. Smart kid, growing up a Yankee and Jeter fan! A lot of the kids have arrived in camp early; should be a fun ST too, getting to see the prospects play.
@JonHeymanCBS: delmon young signs with #phils for 1 year, $750,000, team announces
I will just say this, and move on: I am a pragmatist. I don’t want to impose my views on anyone. All I am asking for are reasonable solutions and less polemics. I want people to be able to keep their guns, as long as they aren’t nuts, but there has to be common ground, some sensible alternatives, or at least a few that deserve being tried.
Now, back to whining about the Yankees.
Yes, thanks for that, blake.
If any of our kids can fast-tempo their way to the Bronx….easier for a COF to make the jump, too, although he’ll need to conquer AA first.
blake January 22nd, 2013 at 2:53 pm
@JonHeymanCBS: delmon young signs with #phils for 1 year, $750,000, team announces
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Good. Glad he wasn’t on, or is off, our radar.
+1 on Delmon.
Should try to get Dom Brown now that he has no where to play
Why would an NL team sign young
As long as we get can him on the cheap.