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Opportunity knocks for more than just Romine

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 23, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

We know Francisco Cervelli is on the roster for Team Italy, but I think it’s worth wondering whether he’ll actually go through with it and play in the World Baseball Classic.

I’ve written before that I tend to agree with Jordan’s morning post — given the current situation, it makes a lot of sense to have Austin Romine open this season behind the plate — but it’s worth remembering that the current catching vacancy is an opportunity for more than Romine. Cervelli, Chris Stewart and Bobby Wilson have each been painted as backups, and that label isn’t easy to shake in this game. The Yankees say they’re willing to stick with their in-house options, and so far they’re putting their (lack of) money where their mouth is.

Should Cervelli be the one who wins the job? Not necessarily, but surely he recognizes the opportunity. And surely last spring opened his eyes to just how fleeting these opportunities can be.

Earlier this month, Cervelli told the Star-Ledger that he wasn’t sure about playing in the World Baseball Classic. He hadn’t talked to the Yankees to get their opinion — as I understand it, the Yankees aren’t allowed to tell him no — but Cervelli recognized the need to make an impression.

“I haven’t spoken to anyone with the Yankees,” Cervelli said. “And I don’t need to talk to anyone until they want to talk to me. I just want them to see I’m ready to play. That’s it.”

Cervelli hit .305/.432/.525 in Venezuela this winter, which isn’t to say he’s suddenly going to put up those numbers in the big leagues, but it does suggest he’s seen some pitches and moved beyond last year’s Triple-A struggles. Hard to say if or when a guy like Cervelli — or Stewart, or Wilson — will have another opportunity like this, and to spend part of spring training working out for another manager and another set of coaches could only open the door for someone else to make an impression.

“The way I’m thinking, I’ve changed a little bit because of what happened last year,” Cervelli told the Star-Ledger. “But I’m very positive and looking forward to being the starting catcher, but I don’t think too much about it. I keep my expectations low because a lot of things can happen. But I really want it and this is my dream. It’s always been my dream.”

It’s time for Cervelli to go after it, because you can bet Romine will.

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184 Responses to “Opportunity knocks for more than just Romine”

  1. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand
    Yanks have No. 2 infield of all time http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....f-all-time …, according to @BusterESPN

    that infield was nasty…..for 1 year.

  2. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    “I don’t need to talk to anyone until they want to talk to me”. Basically, he has accepted the, “Don’t call us we’ll call you” edict. Another man brought to his knees by Corporate America.

  3. yankeefeminista January 23rd, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Frankie would be crazy to play in the WBC unless he knows Yankees aren’t really considering him on the mlb level.

    As for Romine, he actually does hit for average pretty consistently when healthy. Before his injuries he was in the .280′s at AA (2011) and had improved his OBP and BB%. Plate discipline was more of a knock. But he was really hitting well in 2011. Then he got hurt as he always does, and the bat regressed. Plus he hasn’t shown any real pop. He’ll go through streaks and show some power and then he reverts, perhaps because of the back/concussions issues. He is more an opo/doubles hitter when he is at his best, (Trenton park factor also affects his numbers) but he can pound LHP, and is a good situational hitter at AA level. If he gets some AAA time to get his bat back to where it was, he can certainly be at the least an above average mlb hitter from the catcher’s position, and more dangerous vs. LHP. I agree he doesn’t have great bat speed, and can be overly aggressive, not make contact at times, but he is a decent hitter. Calling Romine plus plus as a defender is hyperbole. From what I have seen in my estimate he is only above average. He doesn’t stand out defensively like Higgy did or even how JR Murphy has lately. I am sure Yanks like Romine’s pitch framing and blocking (definitely good blocker) or whatever “advanced metrics” they use to evaluate catchers. I think Yanks also like his ability to work with pitchers and everything else is a bonus. He has a decent but not great arm. I think Romine’s overall game would be best served if he went to AAA and continued to work on his hitting. If he opens in mlb, his bat will suffer IMO. And I’d still rather have Montero’s elite bat paired with a defensive catcher, then just Romine back there.

  4. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    that infield was nasty…..for 1 year

    Yeah it was, unfortunately A-rod and Teixeira regressed pretty hard since then

  5. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    yankeefeminista January 23rd, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Frankie would be crazy to play in the WBC unless he knows Yankees aren’t really considering him on the mlb level.
    ——————————-

    Because they’d want him to work with the pitching staff or for other reasons?

  6. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    “Yeah it was, unfortunately A-rod and Teixeira regressed pretty hard since then”

    yep….

  7. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    They should choose the starting catcher based on offense.

  8. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    They should choose the starting catcher based on offense.

    What a novel concept

  9. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    “They should choose the starting catcher based on offense”

    so chose nobody?

  10. AAA January 23rd, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand
    Yanks have No. 2 infield of all time http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo…..f-all-time …, according to @BusterESPN

    ====================================

    1975-1976 Reds were the best team I’ve seen in my lifetime. The everyday 8 was just ridiculous. Morgan had a .456 OBP over those two seasons.

  11. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    “1975-1976 Reds were the best team I’ve seen in my lifetime. The everyday 8 was just ridiculous. Morgan had a .456 OBP over those two seasons.”

    who did Buster pick #1?

  12. tucker January 23rd, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    YankeeFem, good post on Romine.

    His defense seemed much more fluid in his years’s AFL action compared to a couple of years ago. He is agile behind the plate and get to most balls. He also seemed to correct a flaw — which was consistently allowing the ball to pop out of his mitt.

    Not sold on his bat. And the big question w/him is durability. A catcher with a balky back is not a good combo — and certainly not one you can pencil in for 120-plus games each year.

  13. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    who did Buster pick #1?

    1976 Reds

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock January 23rd, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Just dropping by.

    Best goalie ever?

    The man whom, if was famously said of:

    “could catch a bullet in his teeth.”

    That would be the Great Grant Fuhr… also pegged “The Gretzky of Goaltending.”

    Fuhr had no trap to insulate him, to slow down the speed that high octane offenses like Calgary off the rush; in those days, teams would get to speed up in the neutral zone, and the defense had no choice but to give up the blueline, because there were not traps in center ice laid to snare any counters, or to force puck carriers to the boards.

    Fuhr is the non pareil – in my estimation, every bit as “separate” from the field as Gretzky and Lemieux and Bobby Orr have proven to be.

    The best ever: Grant Fuhr.

  15. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    “1976 Reds”

    there ya go….they were pretty darn good. That Yankees 2009 infield was legit though…..

  16. AAA January 23rd, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    who did Buster pick #1?

    ====================

    Sorry, thought you read the piece. He picked the ’76 Reds. Said he could have just as easily gone with the ’75 Reds.

    Actually had the Mets group including Ventura, Olerud and Alfonzo at #3.

  17. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    You put a Butcher behind the plate, and you are gonna be served as the Main Course. Especially now that teams are running more.

  18. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Nothing says success like a catcher with back issues ;)

    Hopefully Romine capitalizes on his shot but if he doesn’t I feel comfortable saying we’re not only screwed this year but probably for a year or two after that as well.

  19. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    You put a Butcher behind the plate, and you are gonna be served as the Main Course. Especially now that teams are running more.

    How many championships did the Yankees win with Posada as the starting catcher?

    Also how do you know teams are running more?

  20. AAA January 23rd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    JAP:

    Interesting, but even as a Montreal Canadien hater, I can say I’ve seen none better than Patrick Roy.

    I’d put Ken Dryden in that conversation too, but he was more like the Koufax of goaltending. Utterly brilliant, but a very short career.

  21. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    Anyone know what FA catchers will hit the market next year?

  22. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Anyone know what FA catchers will hit the market next year?

    The big name is Brian McCann

  23. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Anyone know what FA catchers will hit the market next year?

    The big name is Brian McCann

    ————–

    Okay…. let’s start trying to get him now and maybe by then we’ll 1) drive everyone on this blog insane and 2) have a double case of the sads when we don’t sign him.

  24. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Here is the full list according to MLB Trade rumors

    Catchers

    Henry Blanco (42)
    John Buck (33)
    Jesus Flores (29)
    Ramon Hernandez (38)
    Gerald Laird (34)
    Brian McCann (30)
    Jose Molina (38)
    Dioner Navarro (30)
    Wil Nieves (36)
    Brayan Pena (32)
    A.J. Pierzynski (37)
    Humberto Quintero (34)
    Carlos Ruiz (35)
    Jarrod Saltalamacchia (29)
    Geovany Soto (31)
    Kurt Suzuki (30) – $8.5MM club option with a $650K buyout

  25. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Thought McCann was hurt?

  26. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Man, not exactly attractive options… and a few teams need C’s, some of these crappy guys could end up being expensive.

  27. yankeefeminista January 23rd, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Who says Romine or another purportedly “defensive” catcher is that good at throwing out runners? That’s not always the norm. If Montero can improve his transfering, he has a much better arm than Romine. And I remember how everyone said that the Angels would run on Posada in 2009, didn’t happen. His CS% that year was 28% in regular season, Russ’s was I believe 24% this season.

  28. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    He’s supposed to be back sometime in April, possibly Opening day. Regardless, if he has a good year he is the top name on that list.

  29. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    “He” being Brian McCann

  30. AAA January 23rd, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    Thought McCann was hurt?

    ======================

    Shoulder problem or some such thing. Supposed to be back by May 1.

  31. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    So, if the only reason they didn’t spend this offseason is that they didn’t like the available options, if McCann hits the market, they should sign him, and if Romine plays well, they can move him for what they really need, a young SS/3B.

  32. yankeefeminista January 23rd, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    The thinking about Cervelli is that if he is in the running with our catching situation so tenuous that he might want to fight for the job. However, I don’t believe that Yanks consider him a viable candidate, certainly not as the starting catcher.

    Later.

  33. joeman January 23rd, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    They should choose the starting catcher based on offense
    ———————————————–
    give me the guy that can handle a pitching staff and play great D….

  34. AAA January 23rd, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    So, if the only reason they didn’t spend this offseason is that they didn’t like the available options, if McCann hits the market, they should sign him, and if Romine plays well, they can move him for what they really need, a young SS/3B.

    =================================

    Again, the $189M likely gets in the way. McCann can command $15M for at least 4 years. Not sure that’ll fit, especially if they bring back Cano.

  35. joeman January 23rd, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    I don’t think in all of MLB there’s a team that Cervelli can be a starting catcher for

  36. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    “give me the guy that can handle a pitching staff and play great D….”

    Does Posada meet that criteria? If not, then we strongly disagree on what a catcher should be.

  37. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    give me the guy that can handle a pitching staff and play great D….

    Again I ask, how many championships did the Yankees win with Posada as the starting catcher?

  38. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    “The big name is Brian McCann”

    I think the Braves are gonna let him go too….problem is that the Yanks probably can’t afford McCann if they keep Cano and stay with this budget stuff…..however….I’m not sure they are gonna keep Cano and in that case they should try to sign McCann

  39. joeman January 23rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Dodgers will be all in on Cano….say bye-bye

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock January 23rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    AAA January 23rd, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    JAP:

    Interesting, but even as a Montreal Canadien hater, I can say I’ve seen none better than Patrick Roy.

    I’d put Ken Dryden in that conversation too, but he was more like the Koufax of goaltending. Utterly brilliant, but a very short career
    ///

    Dryden was big and had a glove. He had his era, no doubt. I like Roy better, I think he had better reflexes and although he scared the hell out of you by playing deep in his net, and was prone to the long unscreened tee up, he was spectacular low; Hasek also had this area mastered. Roy’s glove was also great.

    I think Brodeur is an excellent goalie; I watched him play virtually every game in 1995, 96, and 97.

    But Fuhr was in a class alone; he had the most remarkable feet ever…never saw a goalie make kick saves like he did and have gravity exert no perceptible effect on him; he was miraculously in position, on his feet, for subsequent shots.

    Post to post – no one was close to him in being quicker; no one got off the post quicker; like the laws of inertia just had a separate set of rules for him. The glove was also a blur.

    I think what hurts Fuhr is he played in the West in his prime years: had he been a Ranger or Flyer, he’d be similarly regarded as Gretzky and Lemieux. His fault was his cocaine addiction. And I’d have to use that Koufax analogy for Fuhr, actually.

    From wiki, Gretzky, as the game’s most prolific scorer, knew how great Fuhr was; he practiced against him, and he saw him save the Oilers’ bacon time and again:

    Fuhr was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame on November 2, 2003.[3]

    Wayne Gretzky has said on many occasions that he believes Fuhr is the greatest goaltender in NHL history. This is mentioned in an interview with Wayne Gretzky conducted by John Davidson as part of the 2003 DVD “Ultimate Gretzky”.[10]

    Fuhr was also inducted in the Alberta Sports Hall of Fame in 2004.

    Lastly, Fuhr was a black man in a decidedly white man’s sport. Do with that what you will! :D

  41. J. Alfred Prufrock January 23rd, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Thanks for the hockey dialogue AAA; I didn’t really anticipate any! I’d love to chat about the game with you in the future. Running out – just couldn’t let the “best goalie ever” comment go by with no mention of Grant Fuhr! No offense, Shame!

  42. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    joeman says:
    January 23, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Dodgers will be all in on Cano….say bye-bye

    I agree….question is whether the yanks will match them

  43. Ys Guy January 23rd, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    cervelli would be stupid to go play in the WBC. but he was stupid last time, and played for italy.

    and showing off some bad attitude in the SL wasnt the smartest move either, so i guess anything is possible with this guy.

  44. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    I have never heard of Grand Fuhr or I would discuss :)

  45. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Accepting mere draft picks for Cano would highlight how poorly this franchise is run like few other developments in recent memory.

  46. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    I have a feeling the Yanks are gonna chase the Dodgers into 200 million land for Cano….then they are gonna complain about his contract 5 years from now and say they can’t afford Mike Trout

  47. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    How can any owner credibly say that he can afford caviar but not trout?

  48. AAA January 23rd, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    I have a feeling the Yanks are gonna chase the Dodgers into 200 million land for Cano….then they are gonna complain about his contract 5 years from now and say they can’t afford Mike Trout

    ===================================

    Suspect the Halos do something soon on Trout and get at least 2-3 of his FA seasons locked up. Probably next offseason.

  49. joeman January 23rd, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    I have a feeling the Yanks are gonna chase the Dodgers into 200 million land for Cano
    ——————————-
    this is for sure what will happen, now matter what at 31 years old Cano will get what he wants

  50. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    “Suspect the Halos do something soon on Trout and get at least 2-3 of his FA seasons locked up. Probably next offseason”

    they should yea…I just used him as an example….you could use Harper or Giancarlo too.

  51. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    if the Yankees in fact don’t extend Cano and don’t trade him then going in to next winter I think they need to decide early how to proceed…..if they want to keep him then make an aggressive offer early and put a time limit on it…..don’t let Boras drag things into the new year and drive the price up……make a fair offer and then make Cano decide……if he declines then move on so you’re not sitting around all winter while all the other options sign elsewhere

  52. joeman January 23rd, 2013 at 1:09 pm

    Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    Accepting mere draft picks for Cano would highlight how poorly this franchise is run like few other developments in recent memory.
    —————————————————
    Cano had them by the balls….the best 2nd baseman in MLB saw this coming for a while now..Could they have signed him to a contract last year then try trading him …maybe. Can’t trade him now, so in the end of all this what they will get for him is a draft pick

  53. AAA January 23rd, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    they should yea…I just used him as an example….you could use Harper or Giancarlo too

    ===================================

    Think Stanton chances of being available are right around 100%, unless he is moved to a major league team and they lock him up. Kinda think the Nats will make a run at Harper too, though Boras won’t likely give away anything more than 2 years of FA.

  54. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    “Cano had them by the balls…”

    No, they gave him their balls because they refuse to trade him now if he won’t accept a seven year deal, including the 2013 season. That actually should have been tried over the last couple of years. But the Yankees don’t play the long game.

  55. joeman January 23rd, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 1:12 pm
    “Cano had them by the balls…”

    No, they gave him their balls because they refuse to trade him now if he won’t accept a seven year deal, including the 2013 season. That actually should have been tried over the last couple of years. But the Yankees don’t play the long game.

    ————————–
    anymore

  56. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Yanks should offer Cano 7/168 immediately after the WS ends and put a time limit of 2 weeks on the offer. If he passes then move on…..they can’t play Boras’s game IMO…..which will lead them to waiting all winter and will lead to his price being driven above 200 million. If he declines then take that money (24 million per) and sign 2 good players with it to shorter contracts.

  57. joeman January 23rd, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:16 pm
    Yanks should offer Cano 7/168 immediately after the WS ends and put a time limit of 2 weeks on the offer. If he passes then move on…..they can’t play Boras’s game IMO…..which will lead them to waiting all winter and will lead to his price being driven above 200 million. If he declines then take that money (24 million per) and sign 2 good players with it to shorter contracts.

    ——————————————————————-
    that wouldn’t leave much $$$ for the rest of the 18 or so players

  58. joeman January 23rd, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    let Cano walk and try to buyout Arod and lets move on…

  59. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    “that wouldn’t leave much $$$ for the rest of the 18 or so players”

    nope…not short term it wouldn’t….but that’s only if they decide they want to keep him.

  60. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    buying out Arod does no good…..you still have to pay him and it still counts toward the luxury tax

  61. tomingeorgia January 23rd, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    The joys of running a small business (Very Small): I had a joyous morning doing business tax returns, all due by the 31st.

    City: Occupational Tax, for a business licence, Wine and Beer license (even if I just give it away, they still want their $500), various fees and taxes.

    County: Occupancy Tax. a 7% tax on room rental, Commercial Real Estate tax.

    Georgia: DOL “Employer Quarterly Tax and Wage Report (Unemployment tax)”, G-7 “Quarterly Return for Wages Paid”, Sales Tax for December (up to 8%), and one amended withholding form, all going to different agencies.

    Federal: 941 “Employer’s Quarterly Federal Tax Return”, with extra schedules, 940 “Employer’s Annual Federal Unemployment Tax Return”, W-2s for employees, and W-3 Transmittal Form for the Social Security Administration

    Thank God for Quickbooks Pro, because I can print out most of these forms in one long morning. After sending the City, County, State and the Feds a few grand, I can start thinking about doing our personal taxes, which I need a CPA to do because of all the intricacies of depreciation, credits, and other things that come with an LLC. That’s another grand or so before I pay the taxes due, if there are any, which is highly doubtful for 2012.

    Had to lay off a couple of really good people during the year, too, which hurt a lot, both them and me, out here in East Nowhere. Hoping for a better 2013, but mostly against hope. What I sell is highly discretionary, people have less take-home pay than they did last month, and the weather has been bad. If we can make it until mid-March, we’ll make it for another six months. This sucks. Sorry to vent, but I hope you’ll understand.

    Go, Yankees! And do it soon!

  62. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    I trade Cano and do Not even mess around with him. The guy continually Refuses to dive for game deciding ground balls. Sure, he’s the best 2B in MLB, but he will Not get his pants dirty. He don’t want it bad enough for me to reward him with the kinda $$$ it’s gonna take to retain him. Kindest regards, blah\blah\blah.

  63. comet January 23rd, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Best Goalie ever:

    Terry Sawchuck! A tormented man who died a mystious death,

  64. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    “Sure, he’s the best 2B in MLB, but he will Not get his pants dirty. ”

    which of these is most important? ever think that maybe the reason he plays 160 games a year is because he doesn’t dive around like a crazy person on balls he can’t get to…..Cano could show more effort on some balls and I think he’d even admit that and did last year….but for the most part he can tell off the bat whether he can make a play on a ball or not…..

  65. jacksquat January 23rd, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    that wouldn’t leave much $$$ for the rest of the 18 or so players

    Not as much as in the past, but not all 25-man spots are equal, far from it.

    If they sign Cano, they will have already spent a lot, but for 2014 they will already have their ace, and as the Yankees see it, the middle of their order with Cano – Teixeira – Arod (+ Gardner + Ichiro + maybe Jeter), possibly their closer in Robertson, all other positions being less important and less costly.

  66. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    Id much rather have Cano and his durability than Pedroia and his dirty uniform on the DL all the time

  67. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    fem – I was just thinking in these terms: wouldn’t it be better to see how Cervelli does when playing against better competition/more intense game situations?

  68. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Even diving for a ball you know you can Not make a play on, will cause a runner from 2nd base to slow up and or hold up rounding 3B. You gotta dive on game deciding grounders. NO 2 ways about it. The kinda $$$ Cano is gonna get, goes to “Face of the Franchise” players. Jeet went down, and Cano turned into a Pumpkin. Trade Cano Now, and get something of merit for him.

  69. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Cano dives all the time, you are delusional

  70. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    “If they sign Cano, they will have already spent a lot, but for 2014 they will already have their ace, and as the Yankees see it, the middle of their order with Cano – Teixeira – Arod”

    the middle of that order other than Cano may not be very good…you have players yes….but what you’ll get out of them who knows.

    Thats the biggest problem for the Yanks….if they had 100+ million invested in players who were playing to that value then everything would be fine and they wouldn’t really need to spend much more money…..they have 100+ million dollars invested in declining production though…..

  71. Cashmoney January 23rd, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    It all comes down if the Yanks have a plan. Signing Cano to a obscenely long term deal, say 8-10 years, has a lot to do if the Yankees have the money to allocate to other resources in augmenting a championship during his term of say contract. It has to do with self evaluating of the possible talent flow, evaluating budgetary concerns, projecting Cano’s peak productions and few more other things. Ultimately, I don’t trust the FO to carry such a comprehensive self examinations. We all know it’s not up to the fans, but as it stands on a cold Jan, I simply don’t think this team is lead by right personnel in terms of baseball visions.

    Cano is simply part of equation.

  72. mick January 23rd, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Arod’s AAV could be missing in 2014 if he never plays again and insurance takes over.
    Is this correct?

  73. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    To say Cano, “dives All time”, either DQ’s you from this discussion, or was submitted by your “guide dog”.

  74. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    “Even diving for a ball you know you can Not make a play on, will cause a runner from 2nd base to slow up and or hold up rounding 3B.”

    3B coach makes that call……and they don’t know if the guy is gonna dive or not…..they are looking for whether it goes through or not.

  75. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Donny, I linked 3 videos of him diving in 2012 and those are 3 of many.. but my comment is awaiting moderation I guess. There are like 6 examples on this page alone: http://mlb.mlb.com/search/medi.....8;c_id=mlb

  76. G. Love January 23rd, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    I’m not as scared about resigning Cano as some are because I think by the time his salary becomes an albatross, guys who are currently clogging up the payroll will be off of it.

    We also don’t know (I think) if the “cap” will go up over $189million in several years. If MLB raises it to $200 million or more, Cano’s deal has less whallop in the later stages.

    While I am terrified by the off the cliff decline of great 2b in the history of the game w/o the help of PED’s, I also think Cano can turn into a David Ortiz like DH at some point in his career.

    They’re not going to trade him so the only hope for fair value is resigning him. Getting a 1st round draft pick or sandwich pick for him is ludicrous.

    I just wish the front office showed the foresight to have worked out a deal that would end when he turned 38, instead of what’s going to end up being a deal taking him to 40 no doubt.

    As for our catching situation, it’s all on Romine. This is who Girardi wanted evidenced by that ridiculous charade flying him cross country off a couch to prevent Montero from squatting behind the plate in Anaheim.

    My biggest wish? Somehow the Dodgers let Donnie go and he replaces Girardi after 2013.

  77. austinmac January 23rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Tom,

    As a small business owner fro many years, I feel your pain. Have you considered a salary cap? :)

  78. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    So I’ve stayed away from mentioning it out of fear that it might happen.

    RH DH who can also play in the OF to give one of the lefties a day off – probably won’t cost much in trade, and, as an added benefit, is someone the Yankees have a history with…that’s right, I’m talking about Alfonso Soriano.

    Thoughts?

  79. Patrick January 23rd, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    If you think Cano doesn’t dive for balls you literally did not watch the Yankees play this year.

  80. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    “Arod’s AAV could be missing in 2014 if he never plays again and insurance takes over.
    Is this correct?”

    no….he would have to retire

  81. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Anyone that watched the Yankee games down the stretch, and into the Playoffs, knows Exactly what I am talking about, and the Yanks have discussed this same subject with Cano.

  82. jacksquat January 23rd, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    “If they sign Cano, they will have already spent a lot, but for 2014 they will already have their ace, and as the Yankees see it, the middle of their order with Cano – Teixeira – Arod”

    the middle of that order other than Cano may not be very good…you have players yes….but what you’ll get out of them who knows.

    Thats the biggest problem for the Yanks….if they had 100+ million invested in players who were playing to that value then everything would be fine and they wouldn’t really need to spend much more money…..they have 100+ million dollars invested in declining production though…..

    Yes, but that’s the way it is. If they sign Cano they will be counting on Cano – Tex – Arod to be the middle of the order. You have to hope that Tex doesn’t decline more or actually bounces back a little (possible, he was hurting much of the time in 2012) and that Arod will get some of his power back from his improved hips so he can hit around .280/30 HR again, which would be alright for a #5 hitter.

    I think they have to sign Cano unless they are going to somehow find another strong #3 type hitter that fits somewhere else on the roster.

  83. austinmac January 23rd, 2013 at 1:44 pm

    Mick,

    No, as I understand it since the Yankees are still obligated for the AROD contract, it still counts for salary cap purposes. They would simply get part of it reimbursed by insurance.

  84. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    “I’m not as scared about resigning Cano as some are because I think by the time his salary becomes an albatross, guys who are currently clogging up the payroll will be off of it.”

    this is true…..but the problem is that 2 of the albatrosses are on there for at least 4 more seasons. When Cano does start to decline they should be starting to fall off…..but short term his contract would make things really tight on the budget. That’s a good point though.

  85. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    I brought up Soriano a month ago, and got promptly flogged from every direction possible.

  86. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    “RH DH who can also play in the OF to give one of the lefties a day off – probably won’t cost much in trade, and, as an added benefit, is someone the Yankees have a history with…that’s right, I’m talking about Alfonso Soriano.

    Thoughts?”

    if Theo will eat almost all the contract and take like Adam Warren in return then sure…..he’d be a better option than Hairston IMO

  87. austinmac January 23rd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Chip,

    I hoped to never see Soriano chase breaking balls two feet off the plate, but he is certainly better than the other current options. The Cubs are said to want real compensation if asked to pay significant money. Who knows what that means or what they would eat of his contract.

  88. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    “Yes, but that’s the way it is. If they sign Cano they will be counting on Cano – Tex – Arod to be the middle of the order. You have to hope that Tex doesn’t decline more or actually bounces back a little (possible, he was hurting much of the time in 2012) and that Arod will get some of his power back from his improved hips so he can hit around .280/30 HR again, which would be alright for a #5 hitter.

    I think they have to sign Cano unless they are going to somehow find another strong #3 type hitter that fits somewhere else on the roster.”

    I don’t think its very wise to plan on Teixera and Arod improving much if any…..and as I’ve been saying…..either signing Hamilton or trading for Upton would give them a middle of the order bat should Cano leave.

  89. Cashmoney January 23rd, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    “I’m not as scared about resigning Cano as some are because I think by the time his salary becomes an albatross, guys who are currently clogging up the payroll will be off of it.”
    —–
    but I think the question you have to ask is that can they pay Cano and realistically have money left to field a championship caliber team? If not, the decision really come down to earnest rebuilding or pretending.

    one need not gaze too far to see how many holes yanks possibly need to fill in 14 to consider rebuilding as a viable option. in that case, you let Cano walk or trade him.

  90. Cashmoney January 23rd, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    btw, I think Cano has 4 peak years left max. just a opinion.

  91. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    “btw, I think Cano has 4 peak years left max. just a opinion.”

    yea…I think he will be close to the player he is now for 3 or 4 more years…..then hopefully will start a slow decline…..but as I’ve said my worry with him is his approach at the plate and how guys like him tend to decline quickly once the physical tools start to slip.

  92. comet January 23rd, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    Hey Tom! Sorry to read about 2012. Hope 2013 is indeed a better year! What kind of business do you have. Just curious.

  93. Cashmoney January 23rd, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    I think they have to sign Cano unless they are going to somehow find another strong #3 type hitter that fits somewhere else on the roster.”
    ——-
    it won’t matter if you dont’ have a legit 4 or 5 behind Cano. should they starting to look or build new core? absolutely.

  94. Cashmoney January 23rd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Cano is a great hacker with good plate coverage and a good fielder. He has great power for his position and plus power overall but not great. Is he a franchise player as 32 year old, I dunno.

  95. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    “it won’t matter if you dont’ have a legit 4 or 5 behind Cano. should they starting to look or build new core? absolutely.”

    I think they have started (Austin, Heathcott, etc, wherever you bat them), but if they don’t produce quickly, will they endure the growing pains, or will they flail about looking for Plan B? I think that’s really the key question going forward, again, assuming austerity is real and at least somewhat enduring.

  96. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Pujols is an all time great hitter and he started to decline around 31….doesn’t mean he’s finished as a player but he’s not the guy he was 4 years ago…..Arod started around 34 with injuries and has dropped from there……with no PEDs and no amphetamines (as important) then players aren’t performing into there mid and late 30s anymore like they were……something you have to think about before signing a 31 year old to a mega deal.

  97. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    I wonder if offense drops enough whether MLB will find a way to allow more drugs.

  98. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Just to add to my 2PM post, if their prospects develop, they could have some great trade chips a year from now. I don’t trust Cashman to make the right moves, but there could be some great opportunities for the right GM.`

  99. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    I think the impact of the amphetamine ban is huge

  100. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    Hal already has some of you bamboozled into Accepting his Yankee austerity program. Hal has $$$ comin’ outta his ears. He just refuses to spend it.

  101. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    “Hal has $$$ comin’ outta his ears. He just refuses to spend it.”

    Seriously, do you really think anyone who doesn’t get a check from the Yankee and a few of their media apologists, believes taht austerity is in the fans’ best interests?

  102. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    “Hal already has some of you bamboozled into Accepting his Yankee austerity program. Hal has $$$ comin’ outta his ears. He just refuses to spend it.”

    we all know this….but it’s reality.

  103. tomingeorgia January 23rd, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Hey, comet!
    It’s a small luxury B&B in the middle of nowhere, and we’ve just had our worst year since 2004. Just feel like Joe Btfsplk at the moment. Hope all is well with you, though.

  104. Cashmoney January 23rd, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    blake, it will be very interesting to see what numbers Albert puts up this year. That is one scary lineup 1-5.

  105. Cashmoney January 23rd, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Rich, personally i be fine with mediocrity if the talents are legit with upward mobility. I think under the right personnel rebuilding would be fun and rewarding not only for the future and probably less boring to watch than this team imo.

  106. Against All Odds January 23rd, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Pujols is an all time great hitter and he started to decline around 31…

    ———————

    Some ppl believe he is older than 31.

  107. Against All Odds January 23rd, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    I don’t trust Cashman to make the right moves,

    ————-

    He’s done a good job acquiring bats.

  108. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Lohud Yankees Blog ?@LoHudYankees
    Was told today that the Yankees have no interest in C George Kottaras, who was recently DFA by Oakland.

    lol

  109. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    “Some ppl believe he is older than 31.”

    he very well could be….either way he started in his early 30s not late 30s

  110. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Pujols and ditto the D Backs Montero. Foreign birth certificates are to be given the skunk eye.

  111. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    We’ve discussed Soriano here before.. as long as Chicago eats most of his salary I’d be on board to add him.

  112. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Cash

    I agree, but I’m skeptical that the suits do.

  113. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    I do Not know what the incentives amounted to, but that 1yr $750K for Delmon Young was a statement about being on your P’s and Q’s. Also shows how Desperate the Phils are. The Phillies have fallen a LONG way.

  114. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    “He’s done a good job acquiring bats.”

    Well, he got Swisher and Granderson, but the later was very costly, to the point that the trade was a net negative. And since he or the powers that be have refused to trade those two in their contract years in order to leverage what they contributed, the net positive has to be adjusted downward, especially given the age on the roster.

    So I disagree that he has done a good job unless you include A-Rod, but that was a pure salary dump. Kudos to him for taking advantage of the situation, but it doesn’t reflect positively or negatively on his ability to assess talent.

  115. comet January 23rd, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Shame I’d bring in Sori if the Cubs paid two thirds of his salary and we didn’t have to give up more than Warrenplus a couple of b prospects.

    What ever happened to Bichette?

    Hey Tom.

    Hope this a great year!

  116. mick January 23rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Mr Tom

    Thinking LoHud should have a weekend at your place.
    How many rooms do you have and what is your rate ?

  117. theREALkevin January 23rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Lame that the Yanks have no interest in Kottaras. Like they’re trotting Johnny Benches out there? Stewart will hit like .190 but at least he has a quick release! Cervelli, meh, I like the guy more than most but I’ll admit he doesn’t inspire a ton of confidence. And I don’t think Romine will even be ready. You’re not doing your due diligence if you’re ignoring Kottaras completely.

  118. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    @Buster_ESPN

    Asking price for Kubel said to be dropping. Wrote here yesterday that Baltimore has been viewed as logical landing spot, if AZ trades him.

  119. DONNYBROOK January 23rd, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Hal’s regard for Cashman’s talents were obvious at the Winter Meetings. Cashman had to getta Hall Pass from Hal, just to leave his room for meals. Embarassing.

  120. mick January 23rd, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    If you don’t think Shoppach or Barajas will get a minor league invite, think again…

  121. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    comet January 23rd, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Shame I’d bring in Sori if the Cubs paid two thirds of his salary and we didn’t have to give up more than Warrenplus a couple of b prospects.

    What ever happened to Bichette?

    ——————-

    Agreed.

    And Bichette is tanning according to his most recent twitter update.

    Also: Mar-ty’s Bet-ter *clap clap clap clap clap* Mar-ty’s Bet-ter *clap clap clap clap clap* (debate the best goalie all you want, this is by far the best chant ever outside of “Beat your wife Potvin, beat your wife! Beat your wife Potvin, beat your wife!*)

  122. Against All Odds January 23rd, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 2:55 pm
    “He’s done a good job acquiring bats.”

    Well, he got Swisher and Granderson, but the later was very costly, to the point that the trade was a net negative. And since he or the powers that be have refused to trade those two in their contract years in order to leverage what they contributed, the net positive has to be adjusted downward, especially given the age on the roster.

    So I disagree that he has done a good job unless you include A-Rod, but that was a pure salary dump. Kudos to him for taking advantage of the situation, but it doesn’t reflect positively or negatively on his ability to assess talent.

    ——————————-

    Yes I’m including A-rod, Abreu, etc. I understand the salary dump point though.

  123. thebobster January 23rd, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    If you keep repeating a lie…after awhile it apparently becomes the truth. Jordan said in his article that Cervilli fits squarely in the “all glove, no-bat mold”. I’ve seen similar comments by other writers…but that’s simply not true. In the three seasons Cervelli saw significant time in the Bronx, his batting average was .278. With RISP, his average for each of those three seasons was .360, .316, and .302.

    His rbi totals averaged out over a full season as the starting catcher project to about 75-80 rbi’s. In what reality is that a “no-bat catcher”?

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