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Wednesday notes and links: Kottaras, Chamberlain, Berra, Sanchez

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 23, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Nothing earth shattering, but here are a few notes and links from today. By the way, it’s cold outside. Just an FYI.

• I tweeted earlier today that a source told me the Yankees have no interest in catcher George Kottaras, who was designated for assignment a week ago. Kottaras seemed to fit as a potential left-handed platoon player, but the Yankees seem intent on staying in house behind the plate.

• Honored at last night’s B.A.T. dinner, Joba Chamberlain said he’s still waiting to hear from Kevin Youkilis this offseason. Chamberlain reached out to Youkilis after the Yankees signed the long-time nemesis, but Chamberlain said he hasn’t heard back. “I’m bound to run into him at some point,” Chamberlain said.

• Yogi Berra was honored at last night’s dinner and spoke about his overwhelming love of baseball. “One of the greatest baseball players in history,” Berra’s son said. “And he’s no different than the guy across the street.”

• For whatever it’s worth, former GM Bob Watson told reporters that he believes the Yankees will try to get under $189-million next season but will still be willing to spend more if necessary. “You’ve got to remember, George (Steinbrenner) had fiscal restraints this time of year,” Watson said. “But spring training, the first month or in the heat of the pennant chase, that went off.”

• Gary Sanchez was picked by MLB.com as the third-best catching prospect in baseball. Sanchez was also No. 3 last year.

• Also over at MLB.com, there’s a cool video of John Flaherty, David Cone and Larry Rothschild talking about Mariano Rivera during a charity event on Tuesday night.

• Not sure what exactly to make of this, or whether it matters, but it’s interesting: Ken Rosenthal reports that the Yankees might save less than they expected – because of certain teams increasing their own spending — by getting under the luxury tax threshold. Hard to tell how much less, and certainly hard to know whether those decreased savings will impact the Yankees decision making.

• Buster Olney picked the 2009 Yankees as the second-best infield of all time behind the 1976 Reds. Previously, Olney picked the 1961 Yankees as having the best outfield in baseball history (Maris, Mantle and Berra) and the 1998 Yankees as having the best bullpen (Rivera, Nelson, Mendoza, Stanton, Lloyd).

• Major League Baseball officially announced that the 2015 All-Star game will be in Cincinnati. This year’s All-Star game will be at Citi Field and 2014′s will be in Minneapolis.

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152 Responses to “Wednesday notes and links: Kottaras, Chamberlain, Berra, Sanchez”

  1. Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    • For whatever it’s worth, former GM Bob Watson told reporters that he believes the Yankees will try to get under $189-million next season but will still be willing to spend more if necessary. “You’ve got to remember, George (Steinbrenner) had fiscal restraints this time of year,” Watson said. “But spring training, the first month or in the heat of the pennant chase, that went off.”

    The problem with this is that Hal has already vetoed trade deadline deals the Yankees had waiting because of cost. :(

  2. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Jerkface -

    Hal did say that the number one priority is a team that can compete for the title, number two is $189 and if he doesn’t believe the team can compete at that number then they’ll adjust…who knows.

  3. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    JF – Refresh my memory, who were they trying to acquire?

  4. Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    JF – Refresh my memory, who were they trying to acquire?

    Off the top of my head, Mike Cameron in 09.

  5. Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Hal did say that the number one priority is a team that can compete for the title, number two is $189 and if he doesn’t believe the team can compete at that number then they’ll adjust…who knows.

    He also said he expects to stay at 189 for the foreseeable future. So of the quotes I chose to trust, the one that makes him the most pocket change is the one I’m thinking is closer to the truth.

    If their #1 priority was to win a title, we’d have a catcher and a DH.

  6. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    I’ll believe they’ll go back above the limit when I see it

  7. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Chad,
    Do the Yankees realize their internal catching options aren’t very good?

  8. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    JF – Thanks. I was trying to remember if there was anything blocked at the deadline last year… I can’t remember what I had for breakfast.

    blake – I think all they realize is the fact that there are no games tomorrow.

  9. Nick in SF January 23rd, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    Hal knew we didn’t need Mike Cameron to win in 2009.

    (He might not have learned much since, however)

  10. pat January 23rd, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    So everyone can sleep a little sounder tonight…..MLB Network reporting Youk called Joba today. Crisis averted.

  11. Tar January 23rd, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    “pennant chase”

    That is assuming there is a pennant chase.There is just as good of a chance that they will be sellers as there is that they will be buyers. Can’t remember thinking that way for a long time.

  12. Tar January 23rd, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Nick

    I didn’t make the show :sad:

  13. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    “blake – I think all they realize is the fact that there are no games tomorrow.”

    This is true….although I think Stewie may go 0-4 anyways

  14. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    JF – Refresh my memory, who were they trying to acquire?

    Off the top of my head, Mike Cameron in 09.
    ————

    It was Cameron. The deal was Cameron for Melky prior to the 09 season and Hal wanted Milwaukee to take Igawa too if the Yankees were going to be on the hook for Cameron’s $10 mil.

  15. Tar January 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    “although I think Stewie may go 0-4 anyways”

    Who cares. It’s all about the glove! Get with the program Blake.

  16. Shame Spencer January 23rd, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Someone get Stewie that PED toothpaste stat… at this rate he’ll be 0-84 before spring training even starts. On the upside, he still might post better numbers than Martin’s as a starter lol.

  17. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Blake -

    It’s an odd situation. On the one hand I want the Yankees to start trusting internal options to fill holes rather than going with middling veterans like they seem to be doing behind the plate (especially if Romine wins the job) on the other hand, a guy like Shoppach or Kotteras makes a lot of sense as a back up option.

    I think that the Yankees want Romine to win the job, but feel like the kind of guys who are available now will also be available in spring training if they need to make a change.

  18. austinmac January 23rd, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Runs don’t win games. Yankees win games. I have our new motto.

  19. Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    It was Cameron. The deal was Cameron for Melky prior to the 09 season and Hal wanted Milwaukee to take Igawa too if the Yankees were going to be on the hook for Cameron’s $10 mil.

    No. Well yes, they did have that deal that Cashman called off, but they tried to get him again at the trade deadline and Cash had the deal lined up and HAL vetoed it.

  20. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    If the Yanks were gonna give Romine a shot then fine I guess….but it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if he stays at AAA most of the year and we are stuck with the Cervy/ Stewie show

  21. Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    “Hal Steinbrenner, after all, has shown a much greater willingness to hold to some financial guidelines than his father, George, did. For example, the Post has learned, the Yanks had a completed trade last July with Milwaukee for Mike Cameron, pending ownership’s blessing to take on the money. But Hal Steinbrenner refused to add the approximately $5.5 million in salary and luxury tax it would have cost for the rest of the season, so the deal was scrapped. ”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....GsgSMXP29M

    Joel Sherman’s post about it

  22. Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    I’m all for giving Cervelli or Romine the starting job but all the catchers on their roster are righties. Why not jettison Stewie or Cervelli and bring in a lefty guy who can mash?

    Catcher is the one position on the field where it is almost required to have a platoon.

  23. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    If the Yanks were gonna give Romine a shot then fine I guess….but it honestly wouldn’t surprise me if he stays at AAA most of the year and we are stuck with the Cervy/ Stewie show
    ——————

    I just can’t see that. I think the talk about Romine being ticketed for Scranton is more a shot from Cashman at Romine to say “hey, nothing’s being handed to you kid. Come earn it.”

  24. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    I’m all for giving Cervelli or Romine the starting job but all the catchers on their roster are righties. Why not jettison Stewie or Cervelli and bring in a lefty guy who can mash?

    Catcher is the one position on the field where it is almost required to have a platoon.
    —————

    I agree – I would ditch either Wilson or Stewart and bring in Kotteras

  25. Nick in SF January 23rd, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    No worries, Tar, but I’ve got to tell you this might be my favorite record of theirs (at least after one week) since 1997. And I got some intel that they will be playing an extra long show; two sets, no opener. Wish I was there.

  26. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    “I just can’t see that. I think the talk about Romine being ticketed for Scranton is more a shot from Cashman at Romine to say “hey, nothing’s being handed to you kid. Come earn it.””

    Maybe….I hope….I think they should sign Kotterras to go with him….keep Cervellj at AAA and DFA Stewie

  27. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    I wish they could trade for Salty…..of course that’ll never happen..

  28. Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Also here is a gif showing off Dom Browns arm in the OF: http://i1110.photobucket.com/a.....-HOSE3.gif

  29. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    If we get to a point in spring training where it doesn’t look like Romine is going to win the job, I would engage the Nats for Suzuki or the Astros for Castro and Brett Wallace, or the Padres for Nick Hundley and Will Venable.

  30. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Lol Delmon young couldn’t have thrown that guy out from 1B

  31. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Cubs in agreement on two-year deal with free-agent outfielder Scott Hairston, pending physical.

    There goes that

  32. yankeefeminista January 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    No Scotty boy either. Oh, heartbreak.

  33. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    @JeffPassan: Latest on Upton deal, including interesting note: Last offer Rangers made came before Seattle deal. http://t.co/b0Z1RAZO

  34. Pat M. January 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    Yanks want Austin to be their catcher in 2013, all he has to do is have a decent camp and he’ll be squatting behind the plate on openning day. Some guys I saw over the weekend think the Yanks 2013 season’s success may hinge on Derek’s ankle. It might not effect his hitting however his range will be compromised quite a bit. He’s Derek Jeter and my favorite player of all time, but I have great concerns about him going forward. They’re one injury away from being a 2nd division club in the AL East which isn’t all that strong anymore. Towers does not want to trade Upton and is still hoping for a change of heart from the up-up stairs Office at Chase Field

  35. Nick in SF January 23rd, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    More heartbreak ahead for the Cisco Kid?

    The PFOFs will be waiting with big shoulders to cry on, as always.

  36. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Cubs in agreement on two-year deal with free-agent outfielder Scott Hairston, pending physical.

    There goes that
    —————-

    Says a lot when we’re upset about missing out on middling/below average players.

  37. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    “Says a lot when we’re upset about missing out on middling/below average players.”

    I’m not upset….really didnt want Hairston….

  38. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    “Says a lot when we’re upset about missing out on middling/below average players.”

    I’m not upset….really didnt want Hairston….
    —————–

    I know, you want Upton instead ;-)

    I just mean that last year we were all upset that the Yankees were signing crappy players like Stewart, Garcia and Ibanez; this year we’re upset that they’re not signing the crappy players available.

  39. austinmac January 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    What you see is what you get. There is no one else remotely worth acquiring.

  40. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    It sucks but a Soriano trade might be their best option if theo will be fair

  41. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    blake January 23rd, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    It sucks but a Soriano trade might be their best option if theo will be fair
    —————————

    I was just checking out their roster to see if there could be an expanded deal – but really there isn’t.

    If Theo’s willing to take back all but a couple of million on Sori’s contract and also get a nothing guy like Cervelli or Melky Mesa for him – that’s fine. The problem is the fact that he’s due another $18 m next year when Alex should really be the full time DH for the club.

  42. austinmac January 23rd, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    The Yankees aren’t going to spend he winter squeezing their nickels to spend much money on Soriano. He would be a silly addition to the 2014 budget.

    Never mind. Sounds about right.

  43. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Even if the D’Backs trade Kubel or Upton they still have too many OF’s with Parra, Ross, Eaton, Kubel/Upton…I know they’re not going to deal both Upton and Kubel, but I would go back to Arizona after they made whichever deal they’re going to make and get Parra and Chris Johnson.

  44. Nick in SF January 23rd, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    ” What you see is what you get. There is no one else remotely worth acquiring.”

    Don’t discount the possibility of a huge trade that Cashman may be negotiating even now just beyond Candy Mountain.

  45. jacksquat January 23rd, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    Pat M. January 23rd, 2013 at 10:29 pm
    Some guys I saw over the weekend think the Yanks 2013 season’s success may hinge on Derek’s ankle. It might not effect his hitting however his range will be compromised quite a bit. He’s Derek Jeter and my favorite player of all time, but I have great concerns about him going forward.

    Fine, DH Jeter and put Nunez at SS. Takes care of the DH problem and Nunez’ fld% has been ok in the minors when he has played SS full time.

  46. coney1 January 23rd, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    Nick in SF January 23rd, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    ” What you see is what you get. There is no one else remotely worth acquiring.”

    Don’t discount the possibility of a huge trade that Cashman may be negotiating even now just beyond Candy Mountain.

    ———

    With what pieces? He has nothing to trade that anybody wants.

  47. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    I’ve been a big proponent of bringing in Kelly Johnson. I think he would be a decent option as the LH DH, and can play all four corners as well as 2b.

  48. Nick in SF January 23rd, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Everybody wants candy.

  49. Chip January 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    My 25 at this point:

    Jeter – SS
    Ichiro – RF
    Cano – 2b
    Tex – 1b
    Youk – 3b
    Granderson – DH
    Z. Almonte – LF
    Romine – C
    Gardner – CF

    Bench: Cervelli, Nunez, Canzler, Mustellier

    Rotation:
    CC, Hughes, Kuroda, Andy, Nova

    Pen:
    RHP: Mariano, Joba, Aardsma, Robertson, Phelps
    LHP: Logan, Cabral

    The pitching is pretty well set – Eppley will lose his spot to Aardsma and Cabral offers a lot more talent and upside than Rapada and has to be on the 25 man roster as a Rule 5 pick.

    In the lineup and bench – I know it looks a little rough; but Zoilo was pretty impressive in spring training last year and I think that if he hadn’t been hurt he would have moved up to AAA; if he takes advantage of what should be an extended look this spring I think he could win a spot and push Granderson to DH (they’re already talking about moving him out of CF). Canzler and Mustelier are fairly redundant so it might come down to one or the other, but right now the Yankees don’t actually have any better bench options so keeping both of them and having guys on the bench who can all play multiple spots may make the most sense.

  50. Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    he Excel Sports Management client will receive up to $6MM over the course of the two years including incentives.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#zZuDDUVJtwXcTMMK.99

    Well at this price it is interesting Cashman was not on it.

  51. blake January 23rd, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    “Well at this price it is interesting Cashman was not on it.”

    Cause he’s gonna swoop on Upton! Ok probably just because Hal said no or he was asleep or something

  52. Jerkface January 23rd, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Hairston went from 8 guaranteed asking to accepting up to 6 with incentives.

  53. Pat M. January 23rd, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    Face……DH’ing Derek part of the time would work but I don’t see Nunez as an 80 game SS. His physical skills ( sloppy feet at times ) are most impressive, I think his head waunders and he losses track of the game or the feel for the game when he’s wearing leather on his left hand.

  54. Against All Odds January 23rd, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    AndrewMarchand Those asking about Upton, besides the money, Yanks don’t have much to give up. High level minors r not good.
    29 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite

  55. Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 pm

    ” Yanks don’t have much to give up. High level minors r not good.”

    Right, which is why they should look to trade Granderson and even Cano, not just for Upton, but for the flexibility to create a coherent plan.

  56. Pat M. January 24th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Rich in NJ…..We spoke last winter about the Cano / Granderson trade options for the 2013 season. And now here we are and the club is looking at being a .500 ballclub for a few seasons. 2013 will be about pitching and Granderson, Cano and Hughes playing for new contracts. Maybe they can pull off the AL East however many things must go well. A very thin roster.

  57. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Pat

    True. They can win in 2013 if, as you point out, the pitching maxes out, and in addition to Cano and Granderson, guys like Tex and Youkilis, among others, can return to being closer to the players they were earlier in their careers (obviously, Youkilis more so than Tex).

    The Yankees went on the run they are still living off of because they planned for the future as well as the present. The future now seems to be an afterthought. How else can one explain the decision to give Ichiro any of the dollars that should be saved for Hughes in 2014? I hate this type of thinking, but I fear that I better get used to it.

  58. Ys Guy January 24th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    jeter’s in davos talking about climate change?

    who knew?

    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesi.....S6xL9pabPK

  59. joeman January 24th, 2013 at 12:51 am

    Rich in NJ January 23rd, 2013 at 11:51 pm
    ” Yanks don’t have much to give up. High level minors r not good.”

    Right, which is why they should look to trade Granderson and even Cano, not just for Upton, but for the flexibility to create a coherent plan.

    ———————————————————
    I don’t think they could trade Granderson or Cano at this point…..I’m another GM what am I going to give up for a possible rent a player

  60. G. Love January 24th, 2013 at 1:03 am

    At this point, you have to hope the fact that it’s contract years for Cano, Grandy, Hughes, Youkilis, Jeter (to an extent) all bring out some extra punch.

    I’m with Pat M. on Jeter’s ankle. I’m concerned. Jeter has to be unable to walk on his own to admit he can’t handle the field and even then he’s still fighting all the way.

    That being said, if the ankle’s not right, we’ll know and he’ll know. While the idea of him being our full time DH isn’t great, especially against RHP, it’s not like we have an actual DH healthy on the roster at this point.

    As for losing Hairston, I’m disappointed but not surprised. I honestly think they are going into the season thinking Matt Diaz will cover that role.

    And I also think that Cervelli going to do the WBC is pretty much going to end his chance at making the big club and give Romine an even more clear path than he already has. How Cervelli could think skipping part of camp to play in the WBC is smart when he’s trying to win a job tells me either he knows he doesn’t have a shot or he’s not too smart.

  61. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 1:38 am

    I don’t think they could trade Granderson or Cano at this point…..I’m another GM what am I going to give up for a possible rent a player
    -

    GMs have received a lot for players that were only rented for a few months, like the Brewers with CC, or the Giants with Beltran, to cite just two examples. So your assertion just isn’t borne out by history.

    They could still get a ton for Cano, and almost certainly something decent for Granderson. Under the new CBA, players have to be traded before the season for the receiving team to get draft pick compensation.

  62. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 1:39 am

    Props to Jeter!

  63. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:17 am

    Well that’s good.

    Don’t have to worry about adding more mediocrity with Hairston.

    Didn’t want him anyway.

  64. blake January 24th, 2013 at 7:18 am

    I think if Upton is off the table then Cashman needs to be talking to Texas about Granderson and see if they’d consider Olt in a deal…..then talk to boras about a pillow deal for Bourn

  65. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:20 am

    Pat M.-

    I don’t think Kendrick is going to have a change of heart regarding JU.

    If he were concerned about Upton he never would have shot off his mouth about him in public in the 1st place.

    Guy is a loose canon.

    He also told Towers to make Bauer disappear.

    Guy might be rich but he isn’t too bright IMO.

  66. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:23 am

    Blake-

    You’re a fine young Man but sometimes you’re just a bit too stubborn.

    The Yankees aren’t going to do squat.

    They’re not in on Upton. They weren’t in on Hairston.

    Apparently they think they’re set as they sit.

    Or they’ve waiting for the baseball stork to drop a great player in their lap.

    Better get used to it. What you see generally appears to be our team.

    Hope I’m wrong.

  67. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:24 am

    And Upton is not off the table.

    Towers is just trying to max the return for either him or Kubel.

  68. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 7:25 am

    I don’t think Kendrick is going to have a change of heart regarding JU

    ===================================

    Probably not. I think Upton will be a Brave by Saturday

  69. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:26 am

    If I were JU I’d demand to be traded.

  70. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 7:26 am

    And Upton is not off the table.

    ==========================

    Think by “off the table”, Blake meant he’s likely headed elsewhere.

  71. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:27 am

    AAA-

    Things are certainly leaning that way.

    The only thing that might change it IMO is if they decide to move Kubel instead.

  72. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:30 am

    AAA-

    I didn’t think we were getting JU for quite some time now.

    Missed opportunity.

    :(

  73. blake January 24th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    “You’re a fine young Man but sometimes you’re just a bit too stubborn.”

    I am very stubborn yes

  74. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 7:32 am

    The only thing that might change it IMO is if they decide to move Kubel instead.

    =============================

    Depends on their objective. If it’s great return, Kubel isn’t going to bring them much of anything. Upton still will.

  75. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:34 am

    I hope Upton makes it to the Braves so he can be reunited with his Brother.

    He’ll get a chance to play on an excellent team where he will actually be wanted and treated with respect.

    Hope he rakes for years to come.

    And makes Kendrick look like the fool I think he is.

    And Hal too for not realizing the opportunity he was presented with.

  76. blake January 24th, 2013 at 7:36 am

    If the offer Atlanta has given is as speculated….

    Teheran, Gattis, Ahmed…and then either venters or Grahmn then I do think the Yanks could compete with that UNLESS Towers sees Teheran as a legit #1 starter and values that heavily.

    If I’m the Braves I try to keep Grahmn out of the deal and offer a reliever instead….

    Mason Williams, Austin, Nova, and Adams to me would be on par with that Braves package in value…..it’s just different value as their is no elite pitching prospect….but the position players are better and you’re also getting a big league starter that’s won 16 games in the majors and had success at the highest level….something Teheran has not done

  77. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:36 am

    Chapman, Cespedes, Upton, etc.

    Opportunities that died with 189.

    :(

  78. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    And Hal too for not realizing the opportunity he was presented with

    ==============================

    Not sure how much of an opportunity it was. Yankees don’t have a T. Walker or Teheran to headline a package.

  79. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:38 am

    Blake-

    I agree with you but I don’t think we ever offered a package like that.

    I’m not sure we were ever really serious about acquiring JU.

  80. blake January 24th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    If the Braves get Upton then who is the favorite in that division? The Braves woukd have a stronger lineup and pen ImO but the Nats have the obvious rotation advantage…..though the Braves rotation should be strong also if healthy and the Nats lineup and pen should be very good as well.

    Id probably take the Nats because their rotation is just stacked…..but those woukd be two teams without a lot of holes

  81. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:40 am

    Blake-

    Well I know who you’ll be pulling for.

    ;)

  82. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 7:40 am

    Chapman, Cespedes, Upton, etc.

    Opportunities that died with 189.

    =========================

    $189M had nothing to do with not getting Chapman.

  83. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    AAA-

    I’m not so sure of that. I think this mindset has been building for a while. Even before the public announcement.

  84. blake January 24th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    “Not sure how much of an opportunity it was. Yankees don’t have a T. Walker or Teheran to headline a package.”

    They don’t no….but they do have some really good position player prospects they could offer as well as a starter in Nova or phelps that’s actually had success in the majors.

    If I was Towers…..Id be pretty scared to deal Upton for a pitching prospect…..especially ones that had a 4+ era in AA last year (Walker) and a 5+ era in AAA last year (Teheran)…..both of those guys are high upside but neither is anywhere close to a sure thing….pitching prospects busy or get hurt al the time ….see Pineda, Michael

  85. blake January 24th, 2013 at 7:45 am

    When I saw the offer the Mariners gave for Upton my first reaction wasn’t really “overpay” like most people’s was…..it was man that’s risky….the whole thing revolves around a pitcher in AA.

  86. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:45 am

    The Yankees are in transition.

    This is your team.

    Learn to love it.

    ;)

  87. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Blake-

    I didn’t think it was an overpay either.

  88. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:47 am

    I thought it was an over rating of the prospects and an under rating of Upton.

  89. blake January 24th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    “$189M had nothing to do with not getting Chapman.”

    Nope….because there was no such thing as 189 when Chapman signed….not signing Chapman had to do with them wanting to trim payroll in general anyways and them being less willing to assume risk than in the past

  90. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    both of those guys are high upside but neither is anywhere close to a sure thing

    ========================================

    Kinda the nature of prospects. Williams and Austin aren’t sure sure things, despite high ceilings. Nova and Adams are low ceiling and not sure things.

    Arizona isn’t getting the benefit of a sure thing in this, that’s for sure.

  91. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    Cashman said early this winter every move will have 2014 in mind. Except for the bizarre Ichiro deal, he has followed that concept. I personally believe their last two years of building a team has been moronic.

    They have an shallow, or almost non-existent bench, this year and few regulars for next.

    When Pat M. says they will be .500 for several years, it’s not good.

    Cashman, while his hands are tied, left the team in this position through an utter lack of vision for the future. He should go. I wish he would take Hal with him.

  92. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Chapman was the start of a new mindset IMO.

    You’re right that it was not a direct result of 189.

    The idea was te same though and the spirit of 189 was already there.

    How do pass on a guy with an arm like Chapman’s ?

    Answer: You don’t.

    ;)

  93. BIG AL January 24th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    In case anyone out there might be interested in a great event at AAA SWB.

    http://www.milb.com/documents/.....#039;s.pdf

  94. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    An unwillingness to spend has been the sole cause of no Chapman, Cespedes, Darvish, Soler. Shall I go on?

  95. blake January 24th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    MTU says:
    January 24, 2013 at 7:47 am
    I thought it was an over rating of the prospects and an under rating of Upton.

    I think it was a good and fair return….but the comments on how Upton saved Jack Zs job etc were crazy….it was a fair offer and Seattle was dealing from an area of strength and dealing nothing that was big league proven…..Walker has a really high ceiling but it wouldn’t shock me at all if he never amounts to anything

  96. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    Mac-

    I’m ready for the changes you spoke of.

    You can include Girardi as well.

    ;)

  97. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Blake-

    Agreed. Those Z comments came right from your Hyperbolic chamber.

    :)

  98. BIG AL January 24th, 2013 at 7:56 am

    MTU -

    The changes this team needs starts with ownership on down!

  99. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    No Mac. No need. I’m convinced.

    Time for some changes. Big ones.

  100. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    MTU,

    I have tried in the past to defend Cashman, but the lack of foresight is rather shocking. Frankly, how many teams look potentially worse in 2014-2015? We are the Rays without a plan or GM.

  101. blake January 24th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    “Arizona isn’t getting the benefit of a sure thing in this, that’s for sure.”

    Nope….I would argue that maybe nova has a higher floor than Teheran though as he’s actually done something in the majors….

  102. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    Al-

    Morning.

    We need Mark Cuban, Andrew Friedman, and Don Mattingly.

    :)

  103. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Mac-

    I have given Cashman his due in the past.

    Time for some new blood.

  104. BIG AL January 24th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    Mike -

    I’m OK with Mark Cuban, but, I’m not sure Mattingly is the answer. A Buck Showalter, yes.

  105. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    Blake, the team won’t spend the money on Upton even if they had the prospects. That seems clear to me in all their statements and utter inaction.

  106. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    OK Al.

    Showalter then. Someone who doesn’t have to consult a book before every decision.

    ;)

  107. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    Mac-

    I’m convinced the Yankees were never very serious about JU.

    Because if they were I believe they’d have him.

    Just my 2 cents.

  108. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    austinmac says:
    January 24, 2013 at 8:02 am
    Blake, the team won’t spend the money on Upton even if they had the prospects. That seems clear to me in all their statements and utter inaction.

    I just can’t believe that….if that’s true then the FO is seriously lost

  109. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Eat your gruel and move on.

  110. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    @DRUDGE_REPORT: REPORT: All six James Bonds to appear together at Oscars for first ever… http://t.co/ejRPouhT

    That’s pretty cool

  111. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Blake-

    You’ll be there then, right ?

    :)

  112. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Well. It’s time for the most important meal of the day.

  113. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    MTU,

    Of course…. ;) . I’m not inviting Cashman though

  114. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    I do believe the team is directionless other than reduce spending.

  115. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    The biggest shock to me this winter is by far the catching position…..I still can’t believe they really are going to go into the season with what they have…..but it looks like that’s what they are gonna do.

    Maybe G Loves mole has it right and Hal is holdin Cashman to his Romine projections…..

  116. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: Shaun Marcum has a deal with the #mets

    Woukd have liked him for depth

  117. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: Shaun Marcum has a deal with the #mets

    Woukd have liked him for depth

    ==============================

    Hard to sign guys to be depth when someone else is offering ‘em a gig. Have to think he’s part of the Mets 5 man rotation, no?

  118. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    The biggest shock to me this winter is by far the catching position

    =================================

    Agree. Especially give that they offered Martin 3/$21M last year. Couldn’t have matched the Pirate deal?

  119. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    Hal is holding Cashman to his projection that they would build from within. When it fails, Cashman will be gone, in my opinion.

  120. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Mac-

    Are you that certain it will fail ?

    But yeah, if it does I’d bet BC feels the pain.

  121. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    “Hard to sign guys to be depth when someone else is offering ‘em a gig. Have to think he’s part of the Mets 5 man rotation, no?”

    Yea….what I meant I guess was that I would have liked to trade nova in a deal for Upton then sign Marcum ;) .

  122. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    “Agree. Especially give that they offered Martin 3/$21M last year. Couldn’t have matched the Pirate deal?”

    That and for what AJP signed for….and that they apparently have no interest in Kotteras…..it just seems dumb to spend over 200 million on a payroll and then punt such a vital position…..

  123. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Blake-

    Maybe they think more of what they have than you do ?

    ;)

  124. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:31 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: Marcum’s deal with #mets is for 1 year. pending physical.

  125. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    For one year Marcum would have upgraded the rotation anyways

  126. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    MTU,

    I am absolutely certain it will fail. Write down who is left on the team in 2014. Seven of the projected pitching staff will be free agents. Look at the offensive returnees for 2014. Few and old. Very old.

    It cannot end well unless 6-8 rookies make big impacts. That last happened? Never.

  127. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    “Maybe they think more of what they have than you do ?”

    Appears that way…..

  128. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    Marcum cost money. Enough said.

  129. Yankee Trader January 24th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    From this mornings Atlanta Journal:

    The trade offer, which was being considered by the Diamondbacks on Wednesday night, was believed to include either of the Braves young starting pitchers Julio Teheran (most likely) or Randall Delgado, plus at least two other lesser players or prospects.

    Shortstop prospect Nick Ahmed and Evan Gattis, a catcher-turned-left fielder who has slugged himself into prospect status despite his relatively advanced age (26), were possibilities for inclusion along with a few Braves pitching prospects. Potential future ace J.R. Graham wasn’t believed to be involved.

  130. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    austinmac says:
    January 24, 2013 at 8:34 am
    Marcum cost money. Enough said.

    Lol….

  131. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax January 24th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    I think if Upton is off the table then Cashman needs to be talking to Texas about Granderson and see if they’d consider Olt in a deal…..then talk to boras about a pillow deal for Bourn

    The problem with this is that Hal has already vetoed trade deadline deals the Yankees had waiting because of cost.

    ********

    It is comments like these that i remember why i imposed self-exile on Cita Alpha Five. Yes, let’s trade a power bat in Granderson and bring in Bourn to complement all-no power OF – and then have a kid who has not played a full season in the majors play ????

    And the selective history – yes – let’s get on the Yankees for not taking on Cameron’s salary AFTER they spent near a half a BILLION dollars in the 2008 offseason on C.C., Tex, and A.J., as well as taking on Nick Swisher – never mind that they then went out and acquired Curtis Granderson in the offseason or that they won the WS in 2009 without the mighty Mike Cameron (doesn’t complaining about not acquiring Mike Cameron conflict with one of the lohud’s holy trinity mantras – Montero is a beast/generational great, Melky is a beast, and Joba is a starter – how can you play Cameron and play Melky in ’09??)

    I will now return into exile until the season begins and hopefully all of this *&^@#$% and complaining about excel spreadsheets is over – - – - -

    On that note:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48_S5WpHIXE

  132. Yankee Trader January 24th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Looks like the Yankees still have a shot at a right handed bat, if you can call Vernon Wells a bat!

  133. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    Mac-

    If they went with the exact scenario you proposed I’d tend to agree with you.

    My thought is that they will supplement some of those rookies from the outside.

    I see it more the way 86 proposed it a while back.

    I see them as having some financial room even while staying under the cap.

    IMO part of what they might be up to this season is to see what they’ve actually got in the Minors.

    Of course, if things break badly then there may be some real trouble.

  134. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    It’s alive!

  135. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    The Yankees can beat Teheran, Gattis, and Ahmed IMO.

  136. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    I believe I was the first anywhere to compare 2014 to 1965. I hoped I was wrong, but it is looking more likely with every inaction.

  137. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:36 am
    austinmac says:
    January 24, 2013 at 8:34 am
    Marcum cost money. Enough said.

    Lol….

    __________________________________

    Marcum sucks! Enough said.

  138. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: Bourn market starting to heat up. #mets #braves #rangers #mariners #cubs #etc http://t.co/RocXx3xX

  139. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    “Marcum sucks! Enough said.”

    Yes….a guy with a sub 4 ERA for 4 years in a row sucks ….ok man

  140. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Cashman, while his hands are tied, left the team in this position through an utter lack of vision for the future. He should go. I wish he would take Hal with him.
    -
    The problem is that someone like Eppler will replace him because he will accept a small contract.

    Let’s see if that great businessman Hal has the vision to hire someone like Friedman.

  141. Against All Odds January 24th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    I will now return into exile until the season begins and hopefully all of this *&^@#$% and complaining about excel spreadsheets is over – – – – -

    ————————

    It will actually be worse because there will be games to judge and we can see just how poorly the team is constructed.

  142. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Eppler said on the radio that they see the catching position as defense first with anything they get on offensive as gravy……yes cause that’s the blueprint for WS victories right?

  143. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Be interested to see what Marcum signed for…..Sandy has has a really good offseason IMO…..they will still be terrible in 2013…..but he’s building something new from the ground up that has promise

  144. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Hariston off the table… Upton probably will be soon as well.. Bourne isn’t in our plans..

    Bring in Manny so I can at least be entertained.

  145. Against All Odds January 24th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    I wonder where that thought process comes from? Why are they so intent on having the catcher be all defense and no bat.

  146. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Shame-

    “Bring in Manny so I can at least be entertained.”

    If you like nutcake that much just go to a bakery.

    :)

  147. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Against All Odds says:
    January 24, 2013 at 8:53 am
    I wonder where that thought process comes from? Why are they so intent on having the catcher be all defense and no bat.

    I really don’t know unless it’s Girardi

  148. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Eppler said on the radio that they see the catching position as defense first with anything they get on offensive as gravy……yes cause that’s the blueprint for WS victories right?
    -

    My guess is that Eppler was sitting on Cashman’s lap when he said that.

  149. blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    “My guess is that Eppler was sitting on Cashman’s lap when he said that.”

    Haha….when they asked him about Cano he said you’d have to talk to Brian….Bowden basically said….you guys know the Dodgers are gonna offer him a ton of money right

  150. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    :arrow:

  151. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    @mikeaxisa: Hairston + Schierholtz + Kottaras = $9.25M total ($6.25M in 2013). Ichiro = $13M total ($6.50M in 2013).

  152. Against All Odds January 24th, 2013 at 9:05 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:54 am
    Against All Odds says:
    January 24, 2013 at 8:53 am
    I wonder where that thought process comes from? Why are they so intent on having the catcher be all defense and no bat.

    I really don’t know unless it’s Girardi

    ———————-

    I guess so but man it’s so flawed especially on a team declining in offense.


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