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Pinch hitter: Lucas Vanderwarker

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Today’s Pinch Hitter has the Yankees in his blood. Lucas Vanderwarker wrote that he has a grandfather who played some minor league ball for the Yankees, and although Lucas was raised in Vermont and most of his family is from upstate New York, he’s spent the past six and a half years serving as a youth pastor in Indiana, Pennsylvania. In a way, it’s his move west that sparked the idea for his post.

“Though I haven’t been converted to a Steelers fan (I bleed Giants blue),” Lucas wrote. “I readily admit that I am becoming an avid Pirates fan, though my true loyalties still lie with the Pinstripes. Subsequently, I’m quickly learning the frustrations Pirates fans have endured the last 20 years.”

For his post, Lucas wrote about the things the Yankees might be able to learn from small market teams like the Pirates.

Ever since Hal Steinbrenner opened the proverbial can of worms last year concerning the team’s financial goals, Yankee fans — myself included — have been pretty apprehensive about each and every decision the front office has made. From the rumors about the possibility of selling the team to the team’s underwhelming performance this past October, there certainly has been plenty to discuss and argue over. I believe Chad and the other guys here at LoHud have really been extremely fair and balanced in providing us with as many possible angles with which to process the events and decisions of the past year or so.

Having lived near Pittsburgh for the last six and a half years, I have really enjoyed the new perspective of following a small-market team. I’ve been accustomed to following the Yankees and watching them flex their financial muscles each offseason as they address the team’s needs. However, it has been frustrating to watch teams like the Pirates struggle to attract free agents. No matter what you may think about the Pirates and their willingness to spend money, the truth is that, until they prove they can win, they will have to continue to overpay for even the high risk/reward “veteran” free agents they are known for signing.

As I’ve observed and followed the Pirates and other small-market teams (e.g. Rays), I have come to a very simple, profound conclusion: Our big-market strategy isn’t working.

If the stated measure of success for our franchise is a championship, then I would say we are failing with only one championship in the last 12 seasons. It has been said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Below I have listed just a few important lessons I believe the Yankees front office should learn in order to return to the success the fan base has come to expect — a perennial winner.

Patience
Player development is the key to building a perennial winner

Looking back on the success of the late-90’s teams, our success was built around guys like Pettitte, Jeter, Posada, and Rivera. Why do we still refer to these guys as “The Core Four?” They are the guys we watched come up and mature through our system. What has led to the recent success of teams like the Cardinals, Giants, Reds, and Rays (yes, I realize the Cards & Giants aren’t small market teams)? While each has made important free agent signings, ultimately, their perennial success has been centered in their player development.

It was player development that allowed the Cardinals to walk away from an extension for Albert Pujols. It is player development that will ultimately allow the Rays to trade David Price or lose him to free agency. It is player development that has led to the Giants piece together one of the greatest rotations in baseball; a rotation that has out-performed the supposed dream rotation of Halladay, Hamels, Lee, and Oswalt in Philly.

Despite the epic collapses the Pirates have endured the last two seasons (not to mention the futility of the last 20 seasons), it is player development which will bring winning baseball back to Pittsburgh. Thus, I firmly believe that for the Yankees to reestablish themselves as the standard by which the rest of baseball measures itself, the Yankees must start with more effective player development.

Balance
Holding onto all of your prospects won’t build a perennial winner

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not talking out of both sides of my mouth here. For six and a half years I have been asking people from the Burg, how? How in the world can a team fail so miserably for so long? Of course, the blame must rest squarely on the shoulders of ownership and the front office.

For years, Pirates fans have been frustrated with leadership’s willingness to trade away home-grown prospects for aging veterans. The backlash from such trades led PNC Park from one of the best places to watch a game to one of the least attended parks in baseball despite such an accolade. Five years into present GM Neal Huntingdon’s tenure, the farm system is rated in the top 10 in baseball, and the team is loaded with young home grown talent. However, this won’t guarantee anything. Take the Royals as another example. While the jury may still be out, it’s clear that holding onto all of their prospects isn’t going to get them over the hump.

I stated that player development was the key to winning, and more importantly, winning each year. However, as we’ve discussed before on this blog, a prospect is an unknown. The one wild card in player development is knowing when to trade a “prospect.” Obviously, you need players developed to a point where they are desired by another team. Justin Upton and Giancarlo Stanton have been discussed multiple times the last few months. Every team wants to know what it will take to land those guys. For teams like Pittsburgh and Kansas City, there comes a time where you have to “know when to hold ‘em” and “know when to fold ‘em.”

Sometimes you have to trade the Roberto Kelly’s to get the Paul O’Neill’s. Sometimes you have to trade Marty Janzen, Jason Jarvis and Mike Gordon to get David Cone. The problem with the Yankees seems to be they seem to be too willing to trade the guys who should be the next pieces of the next great Yankees team. Balance is the key. I believe for too long, the pendulum has rested too heavily on free agent acquisitions and trading for veteran players.

Financially responsible
Don’t mortgage the future

A well-known preacher of the early 20th century once said, “Don’t sacrifice the permanent on the altar of the immediate.” Obviously, he was making a spiritual application. However, I believe it really sums up when they Yankees are in the position they are in 2013. Because of bad contracts, trades, and other poor decisions, the present and future success of the franchise is in question. We have sacrificed the future for immediate, short-term success.

Why are free agent acquisitions not the key, you ask? Because typically when you sign a free agent, you are getting a player at the peak of his career. Instead of getting 5-10 years of a player’s best years, you may get 2-3. The discussions the small market teams like the Rays and the Pirates are forced to have is all about control. They understand they can only afford these guys for a certain time. The Pirates were careful to lock up Andrew McCutchen while they could still afford him. The Rays recently had to basically draw a line in the sand with regards to David Price. The Yankees (along with many other teams) have the distinct advantage of having more flexibility to spend. They can afford to be more frivolous then the Pirates or A’s. However, this doesn’t excuse being irresponsible with our assets. Recently, we learned that we have spent the more than the equivalent to a full year’s worth of payroll in luxury tax ($224,558,161 total luxury tax spent 2003-2012 vs. 2012 payroll which was $223,439,158). We have put ourselves in this position.

As much as I miss the “good ol’ days” of the Boss writing big checks no matter what, I think my time observing teams like the Pirates has given me a better perspective on what it takes to be a winner every year. I’m starting to believe that maybe Hal and the rest of the front office might be onto something. The next great Yankees dynasty is only going to come from a more patient, balanced, and fiscally responsible approach.

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227 Responses to “Pinch hitter: Lucas Vanderwarker”

  1. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    MTU – Mmmmmm.. cake. ;)

    blake – I agree about Sandy’s off season. I’ve always liked him. When the Mets brought him in, you knew he’d clean things up over there. If he had any interest in continuing to be a GM (I’m not sure if he took that job because he wanted it or because Selig wanted him to fix the mess in Queens) I would trade Gardner for him :D

  2. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Eppler said on the radio that they see the catching position as defense first with anything they get on offensive as gravy……yes cause that’s the blueprint for WS victories right?
    —————————

    That only works if you have guys mashing in the OF corners (we don’t) or both the INF corners (we don’t) or at the DH spot (we don’t) or some combo of the three (we… ugh).

    We’re like the JLo triple threat.. aka: we do none of it well.

  3. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Levine made the Ichiro trade, and he may have been the reason that he got a two year extension.

  4. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Really good post.

    Hard to argue with it.

    Must be divinely inspired.

    :)

  5. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Hal will never tolerate the learning curve that prospects often undergo, IMO. It will be on to Plans B, C, and D in no time.

  6. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:12 am

    I think it’s a good post but I think Lucas’ mind has been somewhat polluted by watching the Pirates.

  7. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 9:15 am

    The Pirates haven’t been .500 in decades. That is not the model I would pick. Currently, the new Pirates of the AL likely have a worse future than the real Pirates, I do admit.

    Why is the new Yankee philosophy defense first catching? It is because they have no one who has any offense and they won’t spend for it. It is called propaganda or, if you prefer, public relations.

  8. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    “As much as I miss the “good ol’ days” of the Boss writing big checks no matter what, I think my time observing teams like the Pirates has given me a better perspective on what it takes to be a winner every year. I’m starting to believe that maybe Hal and the rest of the front office might be onto something. The next great Yankees dynasty is only going to come from a more patient, balanced, and fiscally responsible approach.”

    Well if they make decisions as smartly as the Giants and Cardinals then maybe.

    The key as you say is balance and most importantly evaluating players properly…..the Cardinals and Giants in addition to developing players have been willing to go out and get pieces they needed at the deadline to go for titles…..that’s something the Yanks have been very hesitant to do lately.

    Yes it’s clear the old way wasn’t working…..at least if you consider making the playoffs every year and not winning a title failing…..but has the pendulum swing too far the other way?

  9. coney1 January 24th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    Excellent post. Unfortunately the Yankees front office is currently good at none of these.

  10. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    @mlbbowman: Upton watch continues. Graham, Bethancourt, Simmons expected to be among untouchables http://t.co/4gE067yM #Braves

    If all those players are untouchable then I think the Yanks can match an offer the braves make…..unless Towers just really covets Teheran

  11. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 8:43 am
    “Marcum sucks! Enough said.”

    Yes….a guy with a sub 4 ERA for 4 years in a row sucks ….ok man

    ________________________________________
    Oh. I’m sorry. He’s so good and durable that teams were rushing to sign him this offseason, and he landed with the desperate Mets. Ok man. Go back to crying about Montero

  12. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Cashman has been talking the game that Lucas recommends since 2005. The problem is that he cannot execute the plan.

  13. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:20 am

    The rays have never won anything primarily because they can’t afford to supplement their excellent player development with key FAs……it does take balance and teams like the Giants and cards have been the best at that

  14. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:09 am
    Hal will never tolerate the learning curve that prospects often undergo, IMO. It will be on to Plans B, C, and D in no time.
    __________________________________________________

    You mean the Yankee fans won’t. Just wait til you see the whining and screaming for Cashman and Hal’s heads on these boards double when that happens

  15. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Oh. I’m sorry. He’s so good and durable that teams were rushing to sign him this offseason, and he landed with the desperate Mets. Ok man. Go back to crying about Montero
    -

    Why can’t you grasp the concept of cost-benefit?

    Go back to being wrong about Montero.

  16. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    ________________________________________
    “Oh. I’m sorry. He’s so good and durable that teams were rushing to sign him this offseason, and he landed with the desperate Mets. Ok man. Go back to crying about Montero”

    Nobody said he’s perfect….you said he sucks which clearly he does not….nice straw man though…..go back to being grumpy

  17. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    You mean the Yankee fans won’t. Just wait til you see the whining and screaming for Cashman and Hal’s heads on these boards double when that happens
    -

    They will never get the chance.

  18. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Anibal Sanchez – 3.75 ERA, 1.35 WHIP, 2.29 K/BB ratio
    Shaun Marcum – 3.76 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 2.65 K/BB ratio

    Which of these is better value

  19. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Eight years ago Cashman said they were going to be powerful with a new found interest in building from within while still having financial clout. No prospects to help and no money. That plan went really well.

    This winter and last has not been about prudence. It has been about not spending in the future. Prudence would involve signing players to reasonable contracts like every other team tries to do. Instead, they want one year contracts and the result is overpaying for Youkilis with no steps to fielding a team after this year.

    How anyone can think this is a good plan is beyond me. If anyone does, please explain in as much detail as possible how they can have a competitive team in 2014-2015.

  20. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 9:30 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:24 am
    ________________________________________
    “Oh. I’m sorry. He’s so good and durable that teams were rushing to sign him this offseason, and he landed with the desperate Mets. Ok man. Go back to crying about Montero”

    Nobody said he’s perfect….you said he sucks which clearly he does not….nice straw man though…..go back to being grumpy

    ____________________________________________

    Not grumpy at all. I for one am happy to see them favor giving the young players a chance for once. Like I said, if Marcum was that good, he would have been scooped up a while ago.

  21. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    You mean the Yankee fans won’t. Just wait til you see the whining and screaming for Cashman and Hal’s heads on these boards double when that happens

    ——————–

    What the Yankee fans want is not a priority.

    1/3, 1/3, 1/3 – that’s the model they should be following. They’ve planned poorly and are paying for it and are trying to blame things like fan impatience for signing guys like Youk. It’s bologna.

  22. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:28 am
    Anibal Sanchez – 3.75 ERA, 1.35 WHIP, 2.29 K/BB ratio
    Shaun Marcum – 3.76 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 2.65 K/BB ratio

    Which of these is better value

    __________________________________________

    You’ll see when marcum ends up on the DL again by May.

  23. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    @pgammo: One voice on Braves package for Upton Delgado, Gilmartin, Spruill

    If that’s the deal then the Yabkees can def top that

  24. lvand805 January 24th, 2013 at 9:32 am

    MTU–not quite divine inspiration ;) actually, not even close, but i will say i was pretty impressed with myself for being able to use that quote ;)

    Shame Spencer–you may be right…although it’s pretty tough to hate on McCutchen. plus, getting into PNC Park for 1/3 of the cost of a front row upper deck seat at the Stadium is pretty nice too :)

    austinmac–the point of the article was all about perspective…i believe the Pirates are on track to having a pretty dominant run if all the pieces finally fall into place. they actually have real talent for the first time in 20 years. something that Dave Littlefield knew nothing about.

  25. mick January 24th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Hal is willing to change the Yankee way , at least for now.
    If this is a temporary thing we will survive.
    If it’s all about a money grab, there will be casualties.
    We can speculate all we want, but being unchartered waters, we won’t know till it happens.

  26. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    “You’ll see when marcum ends up on the DL again by May.”

    Can you understand that one guy makes a lot
    Less money for a lot less years though?

  27. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:24 am
    Oh. I’m sorry. He’s so good and durable that teams were rushing to sign him this offseason, and he landed with the desperate Mets. Ok man. Go back to crying about Montero
    -

    Why can’t you grasp the concept of cost-benefit?

    Go back to being wrong about Montero.

    ___________________________________________

    Got nothing to do with being wrong about Montero. Point is, he’s gone and not coming back, so why continue to whine about him a year later. Whats done is done.

  28. Frankg January 24th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    Player development requires more skill and knowledge than buying the best free agents, and the Yankees have to master the former since thay have too many needs coming up in the near future and cannot keep renting aging super stars. This year will be good test of the renting approach. We could wind up with a sad collection of has been’s.

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Gee, I’d sure love to have San Francisco’s “problem” of having to figure out what kind of deal to offer Posey.

    I see some are calling for a Cashman/Girardi ouster: welcome to my world.

    It was obvious from January 13 – and late 2011 (for the writing was on the wall) – that these guys just don’t get it.

    They are happy to straitjacket the offense and have the temerity to brag about it, (see Girardi’s gleeful “Now we don’t have to worry about Montero’s defense” comment), and then cry about it (see Cashman’s incredulity: “Right-handed bats are hard to find!”…..to becoming defiant about it: “Now, fans will see what it looks like to have no HRs”) even though they caused their own woes by dealing the Son, and by watching Cespedes get signed by Oakland, etc.

    Now, they have to hope our good pitching becomes indomitable, because it’s going to be low tide around here for a while, unless we cough up a huge chunk of the future for Justin Upton.

    With the way things have gone, Upton would come here and blow out that cranky shoulder and we’d have two good shoulders between him and Pineda. Even if they pull off Upton and he comes here and is healthy, hits like he did in 2011 and twins with Cano to menace AL pitching, I expect we’d still pay a heavier price than anyone for his services.

    If Towers has exhausted all pleas to keep Upton and run out of bargaining power with his crazy owner and we do somehow land him, maybe Towers should changes addresses and follow J-Up to NY. Either that or give Oppenheimer the job.

    I don’t know what the answer is – other than it’s not to keep Cashman or hire Eppler for the job – but it’s been clear to me for some time that Cashman/Girardi are full of it and need to be replaced, before they’re allowed to do more damage (read: trading Gary Sanchez).

  30. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Shame Spencer–you may be right…although it’s pretty tough to hate on McCutchen. plus, getting into PNC Park for 1/3 of the cost of a front row upper deck seat at the Stadium is pretty nice too :)

    —————

    This is my point though, Lucas (Luke? Lucas? Preference?), for 3xs the cost the Yanks should field a product at least 3xs better than the Pirates ;)

  31. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:33 am
    “You’ll see when marcum ends up on the DL again by May.”

    Can you understand that one guy makes a lot
    Less money for a lot less years though?

    ________________________________________
    Can you understand why one guy got big money and the other one didn’t though?

  32. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:35 am

    “Not grumpy at all. I for one am happy to see them favor giving the young players a chance for once. Like I said, if Marcum was that good, he would have been scooped up a while ago.”

    There is a difference in saying a pitcher has warts or injury concerns and saying they suck…..you get that right ?

  33. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Forget Upton too. Dbacks want major league ready players and our best prospects are just getting to AA now. Maybe next year our prospects will be in more demand if they continue their development

  34. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Time to walk those adorable Mopheads.

    later.

  35. mick January 24th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    How anyone can think this is a good plan is beyond me. If anyone does, please explain in as much detail as possible how they can have a competitive team in 2014-2015.
    =======================
    This is an old team. If it turns out to be a temporary attempt to get under the LT threshold while transitioning into a younger team , then this might be the courageous way to go.

    We can only hope …

  36. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:37 am

    ________________________________________
    “Can you understand why one guy got big money and the other one didn’t though?”

    Big difference in perceived value and actual value in this case….marcum threw around 200 innings in 2010 and 2011

  37. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:35 am
    “Not grumpy at all. I for one am happy to see them favor giving the young players a chance for once. Like I said, if Marcum was that good, he would have been scooped up a while ago.”

    There is a difference in saying a pitcher has warts or injury concerns and saying they suck…..you get that right ?

    ______________________________________________

    As far as I’m concerned. they go together. What good does a guy do you if he’s always on the shelf?

  38. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:40 am

    What good does a guy do you if he’s always on the shelf?

    ——————

    Andy and Youk are two interesting examples of this… When was the last time Andy pitched 200 innings (5 years ago in 2008)?

  39. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 9:42 am

    nevermind what Toronto did this off season, a confluence of factors made it possible… if Cashman would have only ochestrate a trade to the tune of Brett lawrie for Marcum, he would have been lauded in Yankee universe forever. The point is, AA was on point about his evaluation of Marcum off a good year and pawn off a pitcher with mediocre arsenal for a mlb ready player that has loads of potential and obviously with control. these kind of assessment don’t happen in Yankeeland too much.

  40. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    “As far as I’m concerned. they go together. What good does a guy do you if he’s always on the shelf?”

    He made 30+ starts in 2010 and 2011

  41. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 9:43 am

    very good post, btw.

  42. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “Got nothing to do with being wrong about Montero. Point is, he’s gone and not coming back, so why continue to whine about him a year later. Whats done is done.”

    To call it “whining” is like saying when did you stop beating your wife.

    People will stop bringing him up when Pineda becomes an ace, or perhaps when we have to stop hearing about the importance of a defensive catcher when Yankee history is replete with less than great defensive catchers who were very good hitters that helped them win big.

  43. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    If the reports are true of what the Braves are offering then I really think the Yankees can match or beat them in value ……

  44. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    blake, it is not happening, you need to stop torture yourself.

  45. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Blake,

    You don’t understand. All Yankee moves or non-moves are shrewd decisions by the crack management that has spent money wisely, drafted smartly, developed players brilliantly and made great trades.

    It is wrong to question them. They are going with youth, such as Youikilis, Ichiro and the like.

  46. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Braves close to acquiring Justin Upton from #Diamondbacks. Still working through final details.

    And there is it

  47. lvand805 January 24th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    This is my point though, Lucas (Luke? Lucas? Preference?), for 3xs the cost the Yanks should field a product at least 3xs better than the Pirates ;)

    ______________________

    don’t care either way about my name. yes, i agree, we SHOULD be putting out a much better product…but we aren’t. thus, my point. 11 other teams have spent less money than us and put out a better product and won the World Series over the last 12 years. only 1 year did it benefit us. i think if we can spend $180 million INTELLIGENTLY it will bring more than our $250 million that we just spend to say we spent it.

  48. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Interested to see the package. I predicted Teheran, Gattis, Venters, and Ahmed about two weeks ago

  49. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Source: Randall Delgado is part of package going from #Braves to #Diamondbacks for Justin Upton.

    Wow….nova is as good as Delgado

  50. Jerkface January 24th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    @pgammo

    One voice on Braves package for Upton: Delgado, Gilmartin, Spruill

    We could beat this package, why are we not beating this package

  51. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Remember they were gonna give Delgado for 3 months of Ryan Demoster!

  52. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    small example
    Before the 2012 Major League Baseball season, Alex Anthopoulos was known to make trades in order to acquire supplemental draft picks. The most prominent example was when he acquired Miguel Olivo, a Type B free agent, and declined his club option the next day making Olivo a free agent. The Blue Jays gained a supplemental first-round draft pick when Olivo signed with the Seattle Mariners.

    those these kind of thought process ever occur within the Yankee organization?

  53. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    “We could beat this package, why are we not beating this package”

    If that’s it then ill be pissed

  54. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    It would be nice if the so-called youth movement had any infield prospects of note. Gumbs is about the only remote hope I have. Don’t even consider the Cuban SS despite the fact we truly must hope Jeter is capable of still playing the position.

    If he were on any other team, most here would assume a 38 year old SS is going to have limited range and ability following a broken ankle. Pat M. is correct. The 2013 team is an injury or two away from being sellers at the TD.

  55. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    blake, it is not happening, you need to stop torture yourself.

    ——————

    He’s a dentist. The man enjoys pain.

  56. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    Why no Upton? Money, plain and simple. When looking for answers, look for the obvious ones first. They don’t want contracts in 2014 or thereafter. They tell us this and they demonstrate it non-move after non-move.

  57. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    i think if we can spend $180 million INTELLIGENTLY it will bring more than our $250 million that we just spend to say we spent it.
    ————————

    Agree completely… we’re just not anywhere close to being in a position to do so. If we were starting from scratch, I’d be on board with making the change in philosophy right now.. but we’re $100 million in the hole already in (some) deadweight contracts.

  58. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    “Why no Upton? Money, plain and simple. When looking for answers, look for the obvious ones first. They don’t want contracts in 2014 or thereafter. They tell us this and they demonstrate it non-move after non-move.”

    That’s a ridiculous reason if true

  59. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Jerkface January 24th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    @pgammo

    One voice on Braves package for Upton: Delgado, Gilmartin, Spruill

    We could beat this package, why are we not beating this package

    ———————

    This isn’t real life.

    This cannot be real life.

  60. Chip January 24th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    If Rosenthal’s correct and the Braves are sending a package to Arizona that includes both Delgado and Tehern then we shouldn’t feel too bad about the Yankees not getting J-Ups. I don’t think there’s anyway that Cashman could compete with that offer.

    Plus, if it means that the O’s don’t get Kubel, then it’s still a win for New York.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “Got nothing to do with being wrong about Montero. Point is, he’s gone and not coming back, so why continue to whine about him a year later. Whats done is done.”

    To call it “whining” is like saying when did you stop beating your wife.

    People will stop bringing him up when Pineda becomes an ace, or perhaps when we have to stop hearing about the importance of a defensive catcher when Yankee history is replete with less than great defensive catchers who were very good hitters that helped them win big.
    ///

    This guy was accusing people of “whining” practically from the day this doomed deal went down.

    Montero for Stewie/Cervelli/Romine – no difference, no sweat.

  62. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:57 am

    @JonHeymanCBS: players are agreed to in Justin Upton trade. pending physical

  63. blake January 24th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Rosenthal just said Delgado …he didnt say both he and Teheran

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Jerkface January 24th, 2013 at 9:49 am

    @pgammo

    One voice on Braves package for Upton: Delgado, Gilmartin, Spruill

    We could beat this package, why are we not beating this package
    ///

    Well, we don’t know that they’re not in on this. They are probably feeling the heat of discontent sharply.

    I’ve been convinced for a while that they’re far too quiet and that something’s brewing.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 9:59 am

    So they’re that far are they? Let’s see if they seal the deal.

  66. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:01 am

    It’s done pending physicals according to Heybrain

  67. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Chip, I concur, it’s more than just the money.

  68. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    If its Delgado AND Teheran then I won’t feel bad….. If its Delgado and a bunch of b listers then Wren should be wearing a robber mask when he seals the deal

  69. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    13s Ken Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal ?@Ken_Rosenthal

    Told Delgado not biggest piece going from #Braves to #Diamondbacks for Upton. Also told Teheran not in deal.

  70. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:04 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: Told Delgado not biggest piece going from #Braves to #Diamondbacks for Upton. Also told Teheran not in deal.

    Bet it’s Prado

  71. Ys Guy January 24th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    upton to braves, done pending physicals?

    now what are we gonna talk about for the next 8 months?

  72. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    I’ve been convinced for a while that they’re far too quiet and that something’s brewing.
    ——————–

    Phantom limb, bro. Phantom limb….

  73. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Told Delgado not biggest piece going from #Braves to #Diamondbacks for Upton. Also told Teheran not in deal.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:08 am

    austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 9:52 am

    It would be nice if the so-called youth movement had any infield prospects of note. Gumbs is about the only remote hope I have. Don’t even consider the Cuban SS despite the fact we truly must hope Jeter is capable of still playing the position
    ///

    Do not sleep on the name Anderson Feliz. Not a SS, but great tools as a 2B.

    I wonder how advanced Diaz is as a hitter. If we could add a 23-year old (just turned 23, I believe) RH hitter who hits for average/power who could cover SS/3B, that would be huge.

  75. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    @mlbbowman: Source: Braves get Justin Upton and Chris Johnson from D-backs for Prado, Delgado, Ahmed and Spruill.

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Teheran not in deal. Did they give up Gram?

  77. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    One year of Prado, a back end starter, and b listers….

  78. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Hope Towers can extend Prado otherwise that deal is awful

  79. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Mark Bowman ?@mlbbowman

    Source: Braves get Justin Upton and Chris Johnson from D-backs for Prado, Delgado, Ahmed and Spruill.

  80. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Ys, in particular order I would imaging
    1. hey we need a another bat
    2. Who are our internal options now that Pettite is out for 2 months.
    3. Arod and his boo
    4. Nunez deserves more time
    5. Hey David Adam has a bat
    6. Do we re-sign the capt
    6. blake’s next big trade.
    etc.. etc..

  81. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 9:56 am
    Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:44 am

    “Got nothing to do with being wrong about Montero. Point is, he’s gone and not coming back, so why continue to whine about him a year later. Whats done is done.”

    To call it “whining” is like saying when did you stop beating your wife.

    People will stop bringing him up when Pineda becomes an ace, or perhaps when we have to stop hearing about the importance of a defensive catcher when Yankee history is replete with less than great defensive catchers who were very good hitters that helped them win big.
    ///

    This guy was accusing people of “whining” practically from the day this doomed deal went down.

    Montero for Stewie/Cervelli/Romine – no difference, no sweat.

    ___________________________________________

    Dead wrong. I pined for people to stop whining about it around midseason cause it was gettign very boring. The trade can’t be undone, so it was time to move on. And I’m not the only one who felt this way I assure you.

  82. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:13 am

    That’s nowhere close to the longterm value of the Mariners package. Prado is a rental and Delgado isnt a frontline guy (they were gonna trade him to rent Ryan Dempster!)

  83. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Do not sleep on the name Anderson Feliz. Not a SS, but great tools as a 2B.

    I wonder how advanced Diaz is as a hitter. If we could add a 23-year old (just turned 23, I believe) RH hitter who hits for average/power who could cover SS/3B, that would be huge.

    _________________________________________________

    David Adams is a very good hitter and an above average defensive 2nd baseman. I think he will help this year. If Cito Culver’s bat could come around a bit, he’d be exciting to look forward to as well. Yanks should tell him to scrap the switch hitting and stick to hitting righty.

  84. spidanyc January 24th, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Prado, Delgado, Ahmed and Spruill

    Yankees could have done Dave Adams, Nova, Eduardo Nunez and Brett Marshall.

  85. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 10:12 am
    Ys, in particular order I would imaging
    1. hey we need a another bat
    2. Who are our internal options now that Pettite is out for 2 months.
    3. Arod and his boo
    4. Nunez deserves more time
    5. Hey David Adam has a bat
    6. Do we re-sign the capt
    6. blake’s next big trade.
    etc.. etc..
    _______________________________

    What happened to Pettite? I thought he wasn’t participating in the WBC

  86. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    nothing tackelberry, at this point his career, I only count Petitte in for half of season. pretty much like el duque. It’s a probability assessment.

  87. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:18 am

    @JeffPassan: Wonder if Braves will go with 3B platoon. Last season, Juan Francisco vs. RHP: .245/.291/.477. Chris Johnson vs. LHP: .295/.338/.481.

  88. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    “Yankees could have done Dave Adams, Nova, Eduardo Nunez and Brett Marshall.”

    Prado is way better than anybody in that

  89. Jerkface January 24th, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Well this is disappointing. I really thought Upton was a guy that made total sense. The Yankees would barely have had to scratch the surface of their minor league talent if you’re talking about equal prospect value here in a deal.

    So now we just chillax here while Cashman peruses the waiver wire and finds even that to be too expensive for the Yankees?

  90. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    So how does everyone feel now that we know we could have had JUp without giving up Mason or Sanchez….?? Good? No? Awesome.

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Dead wrong. I pined for people to stop whining about it around midseason cause it was gettign very boring. The trade can’t be undone, so it was time to move on. And I’m not the only one who felt this way I assure you.
    ///

    Mid-season? Might generous of you. And really, with all due respect to you and others who show no respect at all to posters who tell it like it is but who get called “whiners” by you – I don’t really give a flying you-know-what if it bothers you to hear me complain that Cashman traded You-Know-Who.

    You’re bored?

    Aw.

    Join the club.

    I’m bored out of my skull watching this geriatric offense.

  92. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    So now we just chillax here while Cashman peruses the waiver wire and finds even that to be too expensive for the Yankees?

    ————-

    Man-ny, Man-ny, Man-ny….

    They’ll either go that route or maybe trade for a guy like Soriano if the Cubs eat his money or maybe do nothing and see how things shake out at the trade deadline (which is what I’ve been thinking they’ll do for a long time now).

  93. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    I didn’t want to give up Sanchez. The rest, no problem.

  94. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Braves gave up zero long term answers for their club…..they still need a 3B but kept Teheran. betancoirt , etc…..Prado is good but they are getting 3 years of Upton for 1 of him

  95. RadioKev January 24th, 2013 at 10:21 am

    I don’t think the Yanks could have topped Prado

  96. Mike in Harrisburg January 24th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    He may not be the sexiest name but Prado is a major league all star.

  97. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    @Buster_ESPN

    There is a fifth player going to the deal for Arizona — Brandon Drury. http://www.milb.com/milb/stats.....pid=592273

  98. AAA January 24th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    So how does everyone feel now that we know we could have had JUp without giving up Mason or Sanchez….?? Good? No? Awesome.

    ===============================

    Don’t think they could have.

  99. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:22 am

    I think the kicker here was probably that Towers wanted a big league ready 3B and the Yanks don’t have anybody like Prado…..

  100. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:20 am

    So how does everyone feel now that we know we could have had JUp without giving up Mason or Sanchez….?? Good? No? Awesome.
    ///

    I’m not sure that this is the case. We tend to get screwed over. Maybe it’s because we have a less-than GM, but we tend to.

  101. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    aighty, blake, who we going after next?

  102. comet January 24th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Time to buy Apple shares?

  103. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    If towers wanted long term value the Yanks could have topped that….but he apparently wanted now value and the Yanks didnt have anything there unless they woukd have dealt Cano

  104. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    JAP,

    I believe it is the coffee that is brewing.

    We will never know if it was just money, but I can’t imagine, after looking at the past two years, why we would think otherwise. Darvish, Cespedes, Soler and the rest were about money.

  105. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Cashmoney says:
    January 24, 2013 at 10:23 am
    aighty, blake, who we going after next?

    Nobody….I’m done

  106. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    @jay_jaffe: I’d rather have Justin Upton and Trevor Bauer than the package Arizona got for either, and it isn’t even close.

    Yes….I think Towers has successfully made his team worse…..but they were dead set on trading both those guys for whatever reason

  107. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    I think Towers was forced to trade him. Obviously, we don’t know what his other offers were.

  108. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:27 am

    @JeffPassan: Diamondbacks had offer with Mike Olt, a 3B they could’ve had for six years, from Rangers. Texas’ final deal did not include RHP Cody Buckel.

    I think this shows that Towers was thinking about now….otherwise why would you rather have 1 year of Prado than 6 of Olt?

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:28 am

    austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    JAP,

    I believe it is the coffee that is brewing.
    ///

    A very generic brand of coffee, no doubt.

    Better hope they have plans to sign the Cuban SS (deja vu all over again) and give one of the kids a long look.

  110. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    @jay_jaffe: I’d rather have Justin Upton and Trevor Bauer than the package Arizona got for either, and it isn’t even close.

    Yes….I think Towers has successfully made his team worse…..but they were dead set on trading both those guys for whatever reason

    —————————

    Yeah.

  111. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:29 am

    @YankeesWFAN

    Yankees sign 1B/3B/DH Dan Johnson to a minor league deal, invite to spring training. You remember his game-tying HR for TB in Gm 162, 2011.

  112. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    what’s olt’s upside, Mike lowell?

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:30 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:25 am

    Cashmoney says:
    January 24, 2013 at 10:23 am
    aighty, blake, who we going after next?

    Nobody….I’m done
    ///

    Cheer up, man. Garza’s ours!

  114. Tyler January 24th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Prado looks like the piece that put the Braves over the top on the deal. He’s a very good player but it’s disappointing that the Yanks couldn’t have been in on this. Really not much else there outside of him. I wish Nunez could play better D.

  115. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Now that Upton is gone, we can know no one of any value will be added. They will wait to see who gets released from other teams during spring training.

    It is my view the best way to build a team is to pick up castoffs from the other teams. Right?

  116. Jerkface January 24th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Not as good defensively as Mike Lowell. A corner bat with power and patience and averageish defense is his upside.

  117. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    If they weren’t gonna keep Prado it makes sense… are we gonna give up Cano for a draft pick?

    I’m with blake, they got more ‘win now’ pieces and I don’t even know if they’re that much better than they would have been had they kept Upton and Bauer. Maybe we would have had to give up one of Sanchez or Mason, but I guess we just weren’t a match.

  118. Tyler January 24th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:29 am
    @YankeesWFAN

    Yankees sign 1B/3B/DH Dan Johnson to a minor league deal, invite to spring training. You remember his game-tying HR for TB in Gm 162, 2011.
    ————————————————————————————

    Ah, who needs Justin Upton!

  119. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    YankeesWFAN:

    Yankees sign 1B/3B/DH Dan Johnson to a minor league deal, invite to spring training. You remember his game-tying HR for TB in Gm 162, 2011.

    Would have preferred Kelly Johnson, but Dan Johnson not a bad hitter.

  120. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Cashmoney says:
    January 24, 2013 at 10:30 am
    what’s olt’s upside, Mike lowell?

    Maybe yea

  121. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    I think Mac is spot on.

    I don’t think it was about the prospects as much as a lack of wllinness to take on a long term contract.

    I hope Upton finds peace and success playing with his brother in Atlanta.

    Really poor move by the Yankees IMO.

    I’m not disappointed though because I believed we were never really seriously in on him.

    I only hoped we were.

  122. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 10:33 am

    We traded Mike Lowell. Thanks for reminding me.

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    What’s next?

    Sanchez for Kubel?

  124. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    @ajcbraves: #Braves were willing to trade Prado after determining his asking price for multi-year ext. was $11M-$12M annually, higher than they would go

    So is towers gonna pay that? If not this is a terrible deal

  125. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    tackel, I think in this case K.J. might be little too expensive for Yankee’s taste. I pretty KJ will get MLB contract from someone. just a guess. he is a better option imo.

  126. Jerkface January 24th, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Would have preferred Kelly Johnson, but Dan Johnson not a bad hitter.

    Yea he only hit under .200 for the rays for 2 years. SWB got better though.

  127. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Mid-season? Might generous of you. And really, with all due respect to you and others who show no respect at all to posters who tell it like it is but who get called “whiners” by you – I don’t really give a flying you-know-what if it bothers you to hear me complain that Cashman traded You-Know-Who.

    You’re bored?

    Aw.

    Join the club.

    I’m bored out of my skull watching this geriatric offense.

    ___________________________________

    You completely miss the point as usual. Point is, its a waste of time whining about a trade that was made over a year ago and is not going to be undone, but if you want to waste your time crying over spilled milk, then thats your business. I prefer to move on and lets just see what Romine can do going forward.

  128. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Towers is not gonna be able to hold Prado at those prices Blake.

  129. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Now that Upton is gone, we can know no one of any value will be added. They will wait to see who gets released from other teams during spring training.

    ———————-

    I’ve been thinking for a little while now that they were going to use the 1st half of the season as an audition and if they needed something they’d acquire it at the deadline. But this is a realllllly dangerous game to play if some things don’t work out.

    One of Nova, Hughes and Phelps, if they start off poorly, could see their value plummet. Will Granderson be worth anything mid season? If they’re hoovering around .500 can they afford to move him? Better yet, if they’re looking to be an average ball club will they have the balls to go on a fire sale and move Cano, Grandy and Hughes?

  130. Tyler January 24th, 2013 at 10:36 am

    Dan Johnson hasn’t been even close to a major league regular since 2007 (and he wasn’t really one even then). He’ll put up good numbers in AAA though.

  131. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    The Yankees traded one of their top infield prospects, Mike Lowell, to the Florida Marlins yesterday for three minor league pitchers in the latest effort by General Manager Brian Cashman to restock the organization’s pitching.

    There you go Rich, 15 years late we still trying to do the same thing from Cmoney.

  132. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:38 am

    SWB got better though.

    ——————–

    Am I the only one that gets annoyed every time we sign a player to suck up a spot on our SWB team???

  133. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    “but if you want to waste your time crying over spilled milk, then thats your business.”

    ///

    Well thanks, now we’re getting somewhere. It is my business.

    “I prefer to move on and lets just see what Romine can do going forward.”
    ///

    Guess what? They’re not mutually exclusive. I can “cry” about Montero all I want – and continue to tell the Yankees through this comments section and elsewhere that the people who got rid of him need to follow him out the door – and still see what Romine can do for us, going forward.

    I’m a real Renaissance man.

  134. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    MTU says:
    January 24, 2013 at 10:36 am
    Towers is not gonna be able to hold Prado at those prices Blake.

    Then they better win the WS or this is a dumb tradw

  135. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    Cash

    I hated the trade at the time it was made but was willing to overlook it.

    Few GMs have been given the free ride that Cashman has received. You could not invent a better situation for a GM to inherit than the one he got in 1998.

    He rode the rave, and made big bucks.

    But getting more power in 2005 has exposed him as a fraud.

  136. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:39 am
    “but if you want to waste your time crying over spilled milk, then thats your business.”

    ///

    Well thanks, now we’re getting somewhere. It is my business.

    “I prefer to move on and lets just see what Romine can do going forward.”
    ///

    Guess what? They’re not mutually exclusive. I can “cry” about Montero all I want – and continue to tell the Yankees through this comments section and elsewhere that the people who got rid of him need to follow him out the door – and still see what Romine can do for us, going forward.

    I’m a real Renaissance man
    _________________________________________

    That you are. Kudos to you then if thats your purpose in life

  137. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Let’s start spinning to make ourselves feel better: The Braves just got two really bad attitude guys :|

  138. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    I really don’t understand why Towers would take 1 year of Prado over 6 of Olt….kinda speaks volumes about how they evaluated Olt

  139. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    I can “cry” about Montero all I want – and continue to tell the Yankees through this comments section and elsewhere that the people who got rid of him need to follow him out the door – and still see what Romine can do for us, going forward.

    ——————–

    This sounds a lot like multitasking… something the Yankees strongly discourage ;)

  140. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Rich, I came to that conclusion about a decade ago.

  141. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “Let’s start spinning to make ourselves feel better: The Braves just got two really bad attitude guys ”

    Too bad they don’t have guys like Jeter, A-Rod, and CC to turn them around…

  142. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Cash

    That’s funny because I originally thought your user name was an homage.

  143. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:41 am

    I really don’t understand why Towers would take 1 year of Prado over 6 of Olt….kinda speaks volumes about how they evaluated Olt

    —————–

    Between the Rangers trying to move him in every deal and having no teams bite, I wonder what the deal on Olt is. Could just be a case of bad luck (the Rangers having a set INF already with a better prospect in the mix)… could be a case of poor scouting on the part of other teams… could be he actually blows.

  144. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Jerkface January 24th, 2013 at 10:34 am
    Would have preferred Kelly Johnson, but Dan Johnson not a bad hitter.

    Yea he only hit under .200 for the rays for 2 years. SWB got better though.

    ______________________________________

    Has never been a regular. Did hit 364 in limited playing time for White Sox last year though.

  145. Cashmoney January 24th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    No Rich, they actually call me that occasionally as a joke at the poker table.

  146. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    This sounds a lot like multitasking… something the Yankees strongly discourage ;)
    ///

    Shame, Ba-dum-shs-sh-sh-shhhhh! :D

    One 40-year old at a time!

  147. Jerkface January 24th, 2013 at 10:47 am

    He has never been a regular for a reason. He is 33 now, and his very good 2012 came in ~30 PAs. Unless he has an opt out based on being on the active roster, this looks like an AAA depth move rather than something designed to make the big league club better.

  148. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:49 am

    That you are. Kudos to you then if thats your purpose in life
    ///

    Oh, sorry, I thought this was about the Yankees… my bad.

  149. RadioKev January 24th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    These trades are really only justifiable to the Diamondbacks themselves. Bauer was an organizational move, and J-Up was an ownership move.

    Those guys have to tank to justify these moves.

  150. DONNYBROOK January 24th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Prado issa good player, but that’s it. You guys are talkin’ like he’s Paul O’Neil. Very little power, and the guy’s fielding is Iffy. If I was Towers, and the Braves package was the best I could do, I woulda backed away once again, and held onto Upton. Letting go of Johnson only compounded this Boner. The Giants did better trading Beltran at the deadline, than Towers did in this deal that he has been working on for a solid year. D Back fans should be outraged.

  151. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Seriously, bring Posada out of retirement.

  152. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    I request no more pictures of Hal Steinbrenner on posts

  153. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Rich,

    I’m sure Jeter and C are really stoked to see a player like Upton acquired to help the Braves’ chances…

  154. jacksquat January 24th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    and are paying for it and are trying to blame things like fan impatience for signing guys like Youk. It’s bologna.

    Where/when did they do that?

  155. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    @jay_jaffe: Arizona pitchers RIP RT @Sky_Kalkman: When you have the chance to let Cody Ross and Jason Kubel play every day, you have to take it.

  156. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Wren has killed his last two trades…..Bourn and Upton

  157. Against All Odds January 24th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 9:23 am
    Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 9:09 am
    Hal will never tolerate the learning curve that prospects often undergo, IMO. It will be on to Plans B, C, and D in no time.
    __________________________________________________

    You mean the Yankee fans won’t. Just wait til you see the whining and screaming for Cashman and Hal’s heads on these boards double when that happens

    ——————————-

    The fans take their cue from the FO. How long did it take for them to abort Generation Trey. How fast did they pull the plug on Joba starting. “We’re going to go with the kids” – Yankees 08. Yankees finish in third place oh crap go get CC and AJ pay them whatever they want

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    “Let’s start spinning to make ourselves feel better: The Braves just got two really bad attitude guys ”

    Too bad they don’t have guys like Jeter, A-Rod, and CC to turn them around…
    ///

    How stupid they are not to take advantage of this. ARod was all over the Kid to work out with him, etc. He clearly helped Cano and Melky. Pettitte also is around, and Hughes and Joba have greatly benefitted.

  159. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Marcum sucks and Dan Johnson is a pretty good hitter? There are web sites with statistics. Please look at one. That is ridiculous.

  160. RadioKev January 24th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    How stupid they are not to take advantage of this
    ———-

    Take advantage of what? The Diamondbacks not wanting to trade with them?

  161. blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:58 am

    austinmac says:
    January 24, 2013 at 10:56 am
    Marcum sucks and Dan Johnson is a pretty good hitter? There are web sites with statistics. Please look at one. That is ridiculous.

    Lol

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Wren has killed his last two trades…..Bourn and Upton
    ///

    You’re lucky you have a “second team” to root for.

    I’m stuck rooting for the geezers to eke one more division out – effectively, rooting for Cashman and Girardi’s jobs to be saved.

  163. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    jacksquat January 24th, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 9:31 am

    and are paying for it and are trying to blame things like fan impatience for signing guys like Youk. It’s bologna.

    Where/when did they do that?

    ————————

    I believe it’s been discussed by the FO that ‘fans being impatient’ with rookies is why they prefer to go with vets.

  164. Tyler January 24th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    The Braves should be a really good team next year but they seem to find ways to mess things up down the stretch in big games. Love that outfield of the Uptons and Heyward though. Nasty.

  165. RadioKev January 24th, 2013 at 11:03 am

    If the Diamondbacks can extend Prado, it won’t be too bad.

  166. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    I believe it’s been discussed by the FO that ‘fans being impatient’ with rookies is why they prefer to go with vets.
    ///

    Girardi said young pitchers don’t have the luxury of being able to fail in NY, something like that.

    Everyone just nods like a robot. Why doesn’t someone say: well, why the hell IS that, exactly??

  167. Tyler January 24th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    I’m sure that Cashman didn’t “miss out” on the opportunity. It’s obvious that Towers was looking for a MLB 3B as the primary piece. This just doesn’t fit what the Yanks have in the system right now. And no, David Adams can’t be considered ready at this point.

  168. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    @NewYorkObserver

    FYI. Sonia Sotomayor’s favorite Yankee is Bernie Williams. http://nyob.co/TjmI6d

  169. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    @DHuddy41

    Never like waking up to news that good teammates are traded. Best of luck to @JUS10UP10 and @C_Johnson28 !!

  170. Against All Odds January 24th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Point is, he’s gone and not coming back, so why continue to whine about him a year later. Whats done is done.

    ————————

    Because it was a move they are paying for now. Hopefully Pineda bounces back but he has a long road ahead of him.

  171. Tyler January 24th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    RadioKev January 24th, 2013 at 11:03 am
    If the Diamondbacks can extend Prado, it won’t be too bad.
    ———————————————————————

    Somebody posted that Prado will look for $11-12 mill annually on his next deal. Not sure AZ will do that but if not, this deal looks like a pretty big waste.

  172. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Tyler,

    Adams is ready as a hitter. They might want him to get more reps at 3B, but given his adequate defense, and with the way they threw Nuney around the infield and into the OF with no net under him, it seems a disproportionately cautious of them.

    They are all over the place.

  173. blake January 24th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    RadioKev says:
    January 24, 2013 at 11:03 am
    If the Diamondbacks can extend Prado, it won’t be too bad.

    Eh….Prado is almost 30 and coming off a career year that was much better than his history…..and he wants 10+ million a year…..t

  174. RadioKev January 24th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 11:04 am
    I believe it’s been discussed by the FO that ‘fans being impatient’ with rookies is why they prefer to go with vets.
    ///

    Girardi said young pitchers don’t have the luxury of being able to fail in NY, something like that.

    Everyone just nods like a robot. Why doesn’t someone say: well, why the hell IS that, exactly??
    ————

    After watching New York flip out over Phil Hughes in 2011, I dunno. What do you all think, LoHud?

  175. Patrick January 24th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    World series winning teams, their starting catchers and their stats the years they won the WS:

    2012 – Giants – Posey – .336/.408/.549
    2011 – Cardinals – Molina – .305/.349/.465
    2010 – Giants – Posey – .305/.357/.505
    2009 – Yankees – Posada – .285/.363/.522
    2008 – Phillies – Ruiz – .219/.320/.300 (there’s an exception to every rule)
    2007 – Red Sox – Varitek – .255/.367/.465

    All catchers that are significantly above average offensively. And yet the Yankees want to focus on defense at the position and literally don’t care how bad the catcher is as a hitter. Makes no damn sense

  176. blake January 24th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    @jcrasnick: Also, with #braves acquiring Upton, that’s another potential landing spot off the board for Michael Bourn.

    Sign Bourne for 1 year and trade Grandy for Olt

  177. DONNYBROOK January 24th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Yanks shoulda worked a minor deal with Towers for Johnson, and saved Youk’s salary. Johnson’s Defense is an issue, but Youk ain’t Nettles either. Could be with Cashman having been neutered, other front offices are having trouble dealing with Hal and Levine.

  178. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 10:56 am
    Marcum sucks and Dan Johnson is a pretty good hitter? There are web sites with statistics. Please look at one. That is ridiculous.

    _________________________________

    I said “not a bad hitter”, not pretty good. Try reading before you blast. Its a minor league deal. Not a bad move, though I was hoping for Kelly Johnson

  179. RadioKev January 24th, 2013 at 11:09 am

    A 5-year $50m-$60m extension for Prado isn’t bad at all.

  180. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    @TMitrosilis

    Among qualified OF in last 3 seasons, Justin Upton at 11.9 WAR. Martin Prado at 11.8. Age/contracts matter. #Braves #dbacks

  181. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 11:07 am
    @jcrasnick: Also, with #braves acquiring Upton, that’s another potential landing spot off the board for Michael Bourn.

    Sign Bourne for 1 year and trade Grandy for Olt

    ______________________________________

    Now that one I agree with.

  182. ltl January 24th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    I haven’t posted for some time now, but maybe the trade of Upton finally opens the market for Granderson. If he isn’t moved now, I will join the chorus to dismiss the intern and move to a professional GM.

    M, you still out there?

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Because it was a move they are paying for now. Hopefully Pineda bounces back but he has a long road ahead of him.
    ///

    That kid was pushed because of their own naive ideas. He had to “show velo” right then and there, and they ignored signs of distress.

    Same as coming to get Chamberlain after 3.plus and 4 innings in 2009…. it’s they who can’t stomach development.

    Even in the minors, they come and yank their starters with no feel or regard for how they’re pitching, just droning out their handling based on fixed pitch counts.

  184. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Good luck to Upton ?

    Think he needs that Man ? He’ll probably do a jig if the trade goes thru.

    Adios to people who did not appreciate him and hello to playing with his brother.

    I’m happy for him and hope he rakes as a Brave.

    That owner in AZ. does not have a clue.

  185. Tyler January 24th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    RadioKev January 24th, 2013 at 11:09 am
    A 5-year $50m-$60m extension for Prado isn’t bad at all.
    —————————————————————————-

    It would be closer to 60. I just don’t know how willing the D-Backs would be for that commitment. They haven’t been free spenders recently, but you have to think that they will re-up him if he’s the big piece of this trade. Can’t end up with nothing for a guy like Upton.

  186. blake January 24th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    RadioKev says:
    January 24, 2013 at 11:09 am
    A 5-year $50m-$60m extension for Prado isn’t bad at all.

    Probably not…but will the Dbacks pay that? And will he remain the player he is now? He will be 30 in October…..

  187. Patrick January 24th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Prado is underrated but this is a steal for the Braves. Heyward, Upton, Upton is a pretty ridiculous outfield

  188. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    blake January 24th, 2013 at 11:07 am

    @jcrasnick: Also, with #braves acquiring Upton, that’s another potential landing spot off the board for Michael Bourn.

    Sign Bourne for 1 year and trade Grandy for Olt

    —————-

    The Mets are in on Bourne and trying to give up a 2nd round pick and not a 1st round pick somehow..

  189. randy l. January 24th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    “But getting more power in 2005 has exposed him as a fraud.”

    rich in nj-

    i always knew cashman was a fraud. by that i really mean ninja cashman. he’s really just someone who hung around getting coffee for george long enough he got the gm job by default. he;s nothing special, but when he thinks he’s special he’s downright dangerous to the yankees future.

    now that brings up the future which is what lucas’ post is about.

    “I’m starting to believe that maybe Hal and the rest of the front office might be onto something. The next great Yankees dynasty is only going to come from a more patient, balanced, and fiscally responsible approach.”

    balanced and fiscally responsible?

    lucas-

    have you ever worked in a for profit business? there’s an old saying that you spend money to make money. i think the yankee have made an unbelievable profit in how they have run their business in the last 16 years by spending money to make money.

    the pirates on the other hand have probably made most of their limited profit from pocketing their revenue sharing.

    i’m also wondering what you’re talking about using a phrase like” balanced, and fiscally responsible .
    i swear i heard the voice of John Boehner reading that.you do realize that the primary definition of fiscal concerns government finances.

    fiscal (?f?sk ? l)

    — adj
    1. of or relating to government finances, esp tax revenues

    i think you should have used the term “financial” instead of “fiscal” because it would not sound like a FOX news prhase.

    the yankees are not a government organization. they are a profit making one. the pirates in a way run more like a government organization because of parity and revenue sharing.
    now if you are pleading the case for revenue sharing and all 30 teams make a similar amount of profit i can see where you’re going, but if you believe the yankees are a profit making free enterprise business your basic point makes little sense to me.

    first of all, the pirates don’t make it to this point in time without the money from large market teams. i don’t want the yankees to be like the pirates at all. i want the yankees to reflect the city they are in and that’s the financial center of the world . the yankees are all about excellence and all about making money.

    the pirates? they are out of business without the yankees. i would have liked to see the big market teams split off from the small market ones and have separate leagues rather than have revenue sharing.

    i really have little interest in seeing the yankees brought down to the level of the pirates. eventually i won’t watch. and i think i speak for a lot of other yankee fans too in this regard.

  190. Tyler January 24th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    JAP-

    I think Adams is probably ready as a hitter too but he has nowhere near the value that a guy like Prado would have in a trade. Prado has been an all-star.

    I like Adams as an in-house solution to 3B (liked him better than signing Youk) but he can’t be anywhere near the center piece of a deal. I think that’s where the Yanks got beat out.

  191. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    @NewYorkObserver

    FYI. Sonia Sotomayor’s favorite Yankee is Bernie Williams. http://nyob.co/TjmI6d
    ///

    Got good taste. :D

    The Barrio is a very cool museum, incidentally.

  192. Patrick January 24th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Buster Olney released his top 10 lineups of all time list. The Yankees take 4 spots on the list haha

  193. yankeefeminista January 24th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    The Braves get JUps and we sign… Dan Johnson. Ugh. Thank God for minor league baseball.

  194. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Tyler January 24th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    JAP-

    I think Adams is probably ready as a hitter too but he has nowhere near the value that a guy like Prado would have in a trade. Prado has been an all-star.

    ///

    Of course. I just mean he’s ready to have an ML role. The Yankees seem to want to see more, though.

  195. blake January 24th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    @jimcallisBA: Wow. I really like the #Braves deal for Upton. I think you win with stars, believe the #Diamondbacks will regret trading Upton and Bauer.

  196. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:19 am

    The Barrio is a very cool museum, incidentally.

    —————

    I hit the Newseum in DC not long ago and it was awesome. Was pretty surprised to see some of the stuff they had there… actual wreckage from the WTC.

    Not to be confused with the New Museum in NYC, the Newseum is all about…. the news.

  197. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    ?@DashTreyhorn

    The Braves now have the three OFs most often referred to as being “lazy” by closet racists. Should be a fun season for @FanSince09.

    ———————

    Ahahahahahaha…

  198. MTU January 24th, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Prado might just turn out to be a rental so he might not have all that much value.

    He’s not a youngster either so who knows if the Snakes would lay out the required amount of coin to retain him.

    They should have traded the owner and kept Upton and Bauer.

    ;)

  199. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    Tackleberry,

    I believe you started blasting board members today. Dan Johnson, a 32 years old first baseman, has horrid stats and very limited playing time.

    I suggest you support any move they make and defend them for inaction. Signing players no one else wants is not my idea of a good idea. Maybe they need one more old, non-prospect in AAA.

  200. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    If Youk gets injured we’ll see what they think of Adams. If Nix ends up taking up time at 3B in that case, we’ll know he’s not being considered for any role in 2014. Hopefully that’s not the case and they try to get him time there and see what they have.

  201. JoeyVegas January 24th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Chavez loses a lot of ABs in this deal…

  202. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    Barrio is latino art. It is a wonderful space and also very manageable. You can really linger because it’s so finite. I often feel rushed in gigantic museums. I don’t get enough time with the art. It’s very difficult, for example, to backtrack at a major exhibit, or even get a decent vantage point to view, with other people crowding in. You have to respect others’ space, of course, and it really becomes a game of dodge.

    Love the ICA in Boston, also, for its intimacy. Countless others. Ours here at the University is great; first rate exhibits, too. Robeson is a beautiful space as well, with very offbeat stuff.

  203. blake January 24th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    @mikeaxisa: Completely forgot about the Chris Young trade too. Young + Upton + Bauer = Gregorious + Bell + Prado + Delgado + misc. prospects and RP? Eek

  204. RadioKev January 24th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:20 am
    ?@DashTreyhorn

    The Braves now have the three OFs most often referred to as being “lazy” by closet racists. Should be a fun season for @FanSince09.

    ———————

    Ahahahahahaha…
    ———

    It actually didn’t occur to me that they’ve got a superstar black american outfield. That’s actually pretty cool (not to sound overly simplistic, here).

  205. randy l. January 24th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    as far as upton goes, it’s like the yankees have stepped away from the poker game.

    they don’t win, they don’t lose.

    it seems they aren’t in the game.

  206. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 11:29 am

    austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 11:21 am
    Tackleberry,

    I believe you started blasting board members today. Dan Johnson, a 32 years old first baseman, has horrid stats and very limited playing time.

    I suggest you support any move they make and defend them for inaction. Signing players no one else wants is not my idea of a good idea. Maybe they need one more old, non-prospect in AAA.

    _____________________________________________

    I never blasted any board members. What I blasted was the constant whining over someone who has been gone for over a year and is not coming back any time soon. Its most likely the FO does not read these boards and even if they did, would not change their way of doing business. Lets move forward, not backward for a change.

  207. jacksquat January 24th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Wow, you guys reached all the way back to complain about Mike Lowell today. What’s next, Jay Buhner?

    Oh, wait, that was pre-Cashman, so no point bringing it up.

  208. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    It actually didn’t occur to me that they’ve got a superstar black american outfield. That’s actually pretty cool (not to sound overly simplistic, here).

    ——————-

    I wonder how often that’s happened.

  209. Tackelberry January 24th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    And I just said I agreed with Blake’s idea of going for Bourn and trying to deal granderson for Olt if they can make it happen.

  210. Patrick January 24th, 2013 at 11:32 am

    as far as upton goes, it’s like the yankees have stepped away from the poker game.

    they don’t win, they don’t lose.

    it seems they aren’t in the game.

    That sounds very accurate to me

  211. Rich in NJ January 24th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    “Oh, wait, that was pre-Cashman, so no point bringing it up.”

    Pre-Cashman is why the Yankees had a late ’90s dynasty.

  212. RadioKev January 24th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Patrick January 24th, 2013 at 11:32 am
    as far as upton goes, it’s like the yankees have stepped away from the poker game.

    they don’t win, they don’t lose.

    it seems they aren’t in the game.

    That sounds very accurate to me
    ————-

    Were they supposed to bluff the Diamondbacks?

    The only way I could have seen this trade is if the Yankees traded Granderson or Cano, and then used those pieces in combination with their own prospects. At that point too many wheels are turning, cost benefits, and I can’t blame them for not doing a three team trade. Just too many unknowns.

  213. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:20 am
    ?@DashTreyhorn

    The Braves now have the three OFs most often referred to as being “lazy” by closet racists. Should be a fun season for @FanSince09.
    ///

    Around here, the Latinos are the “lazy” players.

  214. randy l. January 24th, 2013 at 11:37 am

    patrick-

    how are you and i going to continue arguing about moves when there are few if any of consequence?

    we need some action to have something to disagree about :)

  215. DONNYBROOK January 24th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    The only guy being “dealt out” is Cashman. Everytime a fellow GM calls him concerning a trade proposal, Cashman is forced to transfer the GM’s call to Hal. While on “hold”, that GM is forced to listen to a recording of Frank singing “Send In The Clowns”……… CLICK

  216. J. Alfred Prufrock January 24th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:30 am

    It actually didn’t occur to me that they’ve got a superstar black american outfield. That’s actually pretty cool (not to sound overly simplistic, here).

    ——————-

    I wonder how often that’s happened.
    ///

    It’s probably the best OF in baseball, all things considered.

  217. austinmac January 24th, 2013 at 11:38 am

    The Yankees are in neutral. They used to be able to spend to fill deficiencies. Now, they don’t have a path.

  218. blake January 24th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    @joe_sheehan: Nick Ahmed is a Cliff Pennington starter kit. That’s NOT an insult; just don’t see a star in the 22-yo who was meh in the Carolina League.

    Id like to have him

  219. 86w183 January 24th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Paraphrising MLK:

    ” I have a dream that one day the Atlanta Braves’ outfielders will be judged not by the color of their skin but by the size of their OPS plus…. I have a dream today!”

  220. blake January 24th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    @Jim_Duquette: Heard from 4 major league teams, all underwhelmed by the AZ package for JUpton. ESP when compared to the Mariners deal @MLBNetworkRadio

    Yup…it’s not equal value long term….may be better in 2013 but beyond that its bad

  221. randy l. January 24th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    austin mac-

    in certain economic environments there are ways to back off and still make a guaranteed small amount of money. i wonder if hal hasn’t looked at the table and decided that it’s too risky to try to make a big profit and that the table is tilted to put money in his pocket even if he does nothing.

    it’s a vey conservative approach that doesn’t inspire enthusiasm with fans. hal did inherit the yankees. he didn’t create the money making machine. maybe with his limited interest level a small guaranteed return that doesn’t take much of his time is preferable to being fully engaged and wheeling and dealing trying to make the yankees excel both in competition and in making money.

  222. 86w183 January 24th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    Delgado has to be a front line starter for this deal to break even in my eyes.

    Why would Towers sign Chavez and then upgrade 3B? Can we have him back? He’s no Dan Johnson, but still…..

  223. blake January 24th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    “Delgado has to be a front line starter for this deal to break even in my eyes.”

    That’s unlikely IMO.

  224. Shame Spencer January 24th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Guys were arguing over here now :arrow:

  225. coolerking101 January 24th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    This post appears to forget that the Yankees are the most valuable team in all of sports. Tickets, concession and the like are priced through the roof. So what if they pay a crazy luxury tax, they practically print money! Also fails to appreciate that the Yankees competitive advantage over the years has been their willingness and ability to PAY for big names players.

  226. Luds January 24th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    A-Rod’s contract is a killer, we all know it. The problem is that the Yanks have overspent on so many FAs that it’s not possible to make it up now until these contracts expire. There’s a ton of money coming off the books after next year. Cano, Granderson, Kuroda, Youkilis, Pettitte, Mo, Hughes, Logan, and Joba. It’ll be time to make hard decisions.

    If Robertson can fill in Mo’s shoes, one of the young arms like Nova/Phelps/Ds can raise their game, they’ll fill Pettitte’s shoes, they’d also need Romine to be ready to play next year not to spend on catcher. If this works, money can be spent on Cano, and an OF replacing Granderson, and Hughes or another arm. We know the Yankees will always spend, that’s not a question, the question is how much do we have to trade the future to remain competitive.

  227. Mike in Harrisburg January 24th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Honestly, I hope Cashman and the FO have learned from the A-Rod contract and do not pay Cano for anything more than 5-6, MAYBE 7 years. Otherwise it’s simply a case of hamstringing yourself in the short term for the sake of hamstringing yourself in the long term as well.

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