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Yankees agree to one-year deal with Robertson

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 25, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees last arbitration-eligible player has agreed to a one-year deal. The Yankees and Dave Robertson came to an agreement today, and Jon Heyman says it’s a $3.1-million deal. The Yankees previously avoided arbitration with Brett Gardner, Boone Logan, Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Jayson Nix.

UPDATE: Not that anyone needed confirmation, but a source just confirmed the $3.1 million figure.

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376 Responses to “Yankees agree to one-year deal with Robertson”

  1. MTU January 25th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    Nice to have D-Rob back in the fold.

    No carrying boxes down into the basement this OS please.

    :)

  2. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 25th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    repost:

    Chad, excellent lead-in, excellent questions. And of course, you’ll get different responses from different people, all Yankee fans. I tend to go more in your direction (“What I don’t understand is the lack of a big picture acknowledgement that spending $189 million and getting to the ALCS is really, really good.”) while at the same time understanding rich’s comment: “…When the owner says they have to win the WS every single year, what do you expect most fans to think about the team’s relative success?”

    I also think that success has spoiled a lot of Yankee fans and brought along with it their expectations that is should always be the same way. It seems though that a lot of those fans have differing opinions about how to go about getting that success – who thinks the Yankees should be going after the Tim Lincecums of the sport, who thinks that we have enough pitching right within our own organization and should be going after whatever bats are out there, who thinks we should be doing it all.

    I agree with Cashman’s sentiment (or whoever in the organization or on the team said it) that fans don’t realize how difficult it is for a team to make it to the postseason year after year after year, let alone win it all. And yet the Yankees continue to do it.

    I think we don’t check our personalities at the cyberdoor when we talk about our feelings as fans. Some of it has to be a direct reflection on who we are and the way we view things in general. I know it is for me. I’m pleased as punch to root for the Yankees, win, lose, or draw (key G. Love and his less-then-genial nature toward my genial nature toward the Yankees!) I know there are others out there who feel the same. We’re just not as vocal, of course, as those who don’t quite see it that way.

    *****************

    Happy to have them all back in the fold!

    Have a great day all. Life is what you make it, hey?

    :)

  3. blake January 25th, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    The Yankees would have lost if it went to arbitration so it was smart of them to settle and save what they could

  4. J. Alfred Prufrock January 25th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    REPOST

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 25th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    Chad,

    I have been back reading.

    If you’re mentioning 2B of the future, where is Anderson Feliz?

    He’s the most “Cano like” prospective Yankee 2B in our system; the tooliest and the one with the highest upside, IMO. He oozes natural ability, like Cano (no – he’s not going to be as good as Cano), and has that effortlessness to all he does.

    He’s also a switch hitter and the nascent power is potentially there.

    Feliz just needs to be healthy next year, and he’ll be on the lips and minds of Yankee fans and writers.

    Up until this point, he’s rarely mentioned, yet I like him even better than Gumbs.

  5. RadioKev January 25th, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    MTU January 25th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    Nice to have D-Rob back in the fold.

    No carrying boxes down into the basement this OS please.
    ————-

    Hahaha.

    It is a shame they didn’t take a look at extending him. I think it could be worthwhile.

  6. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 12:43 pm

    It is a shame they didn’t take a look at extending him.

    —————–

    It’s not a part of our business model.

  7. MTU January 25th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Kev-

    The Yankees rarely, if ever, do extensions.

    That in spite of the changing budget.

    Kind of makes you scratch your head.

    ;)

  8. yankeefeminista January 25th, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    I wish we would extend DRob, but … not our m.o. unfortunately.

    Pruf, Felix is one to watch, a little under the radar. Another one with a pure hit tool. I’ll be excited to have him in Trenton at some point this year. That team will be loaded.

    Heading to lunch; catch you all later.

  9. J. Alfred Prufrock January 25th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    In fact, I would love to see Cano working with Feliz in ST and when Feliz gets here in a couple-few years.

    Feliz started out as a SS and could even play 3B eventually. He’s a switchy who throws right.

    ///

    Today would have been my dad’s 90th birthday. He’s the reason I’m a Yankee fan. Going to a very good Italian restaurant to celebrate, since it’d be kind of hard for him to cook from where he currently resides :).

    Good one, all

  10. J. Alfred Prufrock January 25th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    YF, if you’re still there: Feliz in Trenton would mean he’s healthy; that would be stellar. Needs to rev it up in Tampa to make that jump.

    He’s hands down the most exciting position prospect for me currently in the system, along with Sanchez.

    Chad: how about asking Newman or someone about Feliz’s progress, since 2B is an important topic going forward?

    Later

  11. J. Alfred Prufrock January 25th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    By the way, the rhythm and stresses are the same:

    RO/bin/son Ca/NO

    AN/der/son Fe/LIZ

    :D

  12. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Today would have been my dad’s 90th birthday. He’s the reason I’m a Yankee fan. Going to a very good Italian restaurant to celebrate, since it’d be kind of hard for him to cook from where he currently resides :) .

    —————-

    We also celebrate dead people’s birthdays. My friend lost her brother a few years ago and we celebrate his bday every year. We do the same for my grandpa. I asked her if our families were weird and her response was: ‘Well, we also celebrate Jesus’ bday and he’s been dead for a lot longer!’

    Seemed on point.

  13. austinmac January 25th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Chad,

    I believe you do not understand our concerns. As a fan, I should expect my team that is financially healthy should put forth reasonable efforts to win. A fan should be able to expect they will try to improve. This team has not done so. They are markedly worse than last year. They have at least ten free agents after next year.

    Fans will spend their money or watch their Yes if the games are interesting. Check out the attendance in the late 60s. I don’t blame the fans. It was torture to watch the games.

    In my view, they are headed in the same directionless fashion. It is not the fans who will quit on the team, it is the team that is quitting on the fans.

    I will not reiterate the myriad examples of an utter lack of foresight. Believe it or not, many of the fans on this board are as smart or smarter than the Yankee decision makers.

  14. austinmac January 25th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    JF,

    Good point on the way to handle Soriano’s contract. I refer you to my last sentence of my prior post.

  15. andrewmelillo January 25th, 2013 at 1:11 pm

    No body celebrates jesus death he is alive so facts strait mi

  16. Chad Jennings January 25th, 2013 at 1:13 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 25th, 2013 at 12:53 pm e

    Chad: how about asking Newman or someone about Feliz’s progress, since 2B is an important topic going forward?

    I’ve had conversations about Feliz with several Yankees decision makers. Always had the sense that he was someone to keep tabs on, but never got the feeling that he was one to focus on.

    As for why I haven’t focused more blog attention on him, I know I’ve mentioned him in the past, but he’s still awfully young, struggled in 2011 and was hurt a large part of last year. I’ve always said that my basic approach is to really concentrate on guys as they approach Double-A and Triple-A. Lower than that, there are too many hurdles to pretend that we truly know much of anything. Occasionally a young guy creates a ton of buzz — Gary Sanchez a few years ago, Dante Bichette in 2011 — and I have no choice but to mention those players because so many people are interested, but really, the extremely young guys like Feliz haven’t defined themselves at all.

    There are plenty of reasons to have high hopes for Feliz, but for the purposes of letting people know what’s coming up through the system, there’s also plenty of time to let him give us a better idea of what to truly expect. For my money, if we’re talking about the current state of second base, it makes much more sense to focus on Adams, Joseph and Gumbs.

  17. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Unless the plan is for Robertson to inherit The Closer role after MO departs, there is No point in extending him. Bridge chuckers, and bullpen guys in general, just are Not that tough to develop or trade for.
    Soriano\Cubs is Far superior to the riff-raff currently being accumulated by Hal. Diaz’s entire MLB career has been a struggle just to maintain a spot on the 25 Man Roster.

  18. Chad Jennings January 25th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    austinmac January 25th, 2013 at 1:00 pm e
    Chad,

    I believe you do not understand our concerns.

    I think I understand the concerns, I’m just wondering if there’s any discomfort for fans who feel stuck between supporting the team they love and feeling disappointed with the way that team is put together. If, for example, Chris Stewart is the Yankees catcher, is it possible to like him for what it is (the guy who has this all-important role on your favorite team) while also disliking him for what he represents (an unwillingness to sign someone more proven)? Do you cheer the player or boo the decision, because I’m not sure it’s possible to do both. And more specifically, I’m wondering whether booing feels like a fair weather reaction. I honestly don’t know, I’ve never been in that situation, I was just pointing out in the previous post that it seems like a thin line to me.

  19. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Good work Chad.

    Also, call me maybe?

  20. G. Love January 25th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    There’s been such a disconnect that has happened on this blog that if you’re not happy with everything Yankee you’re a disenchanted fan.

    That’s a load of garbage.

    Watching the team compete is always fun and a pleasant diversion. That being said, watching the team fail and the front office or manager not take steps to help the team in the future is frustrating as a fan. You want the best for your team. You want the best decision makers, scouts, negotiators.

    In recent years, we have not been treated to that. As the costs have gone up to support this team, the effort and foresight into how to build this team and run it long term have taken major steps back.

    Without outbidding people on El Duque and Matsui, the continued success of this team may not have happened. Now, because of a reactionary signing of Igawa gone wrong, we don’t see those kind of moves.

    There’s something rotten in the front office. It may be that the Stein’s are prepping for a sale. It may be that they want to see how far they can push the envelope on being a team that just contends and doesn’t try to solve the issues within needed to get the world series.

    I don’t know. But it’s fun, for some of us, to speculate. And this high handed moral authority that shows up here telling us just be grateful that baseball and the Yankees exist is like an atheist talking to a devout born again.

    What I myself, and many others, were upset about was the team became one dimensional and had too many hitters who couldn’t hit a ball that wasn’t fast and straight. It’s why they go into the slumps they do and why in the post season guys like Doug Fister make them look like the Bad News Bears.

    I’ve been very vocal saying there is no right or wrong way in being a fan. But somewhere over the past few years, some here have decided to tell many of us that the way we choose to be fans is wrong and I’m personally sick of it.

    And it has nothing to do with my home life or my personality. I’m happy. I do what I love for a living. I’m married to my best friend. Life is pretty good.

    That being said, baseball has always been for me a passion. My Dad & I passionately bonded over the Yankees and the Knicks. When George did what he did to Winfield we were both heartsick and furious at him and it took us time and his banishment to get over that. That said, he won us both back and before my Dad left the earth he got to see the ’96 & ’98 teams win titles with me.

    Being chastised by Pollyanna’s for being passionate fans who want to the team to be smarter and better run is like being handed a pamphlet by some zealot in the mall.

    Great. You’re just happy the team exists and makes it to the post season. I, too, was thrilled that Ibanez put the offense on his back and got us there last season.

    But watching Tex, Swisher, Granderson, Martin and Arod just wave their bats at breaking pitches has grown tiresome for a lot of us who know how rare it is to get that deep into the playoffs. We lived through the 80′s where we watched the Mets be the smarter run more entertaining team in the city. We lived through the early 90′s where the team was basically an independent league team plus Mattingly.

    I know every time they make it to the playoffs with Jeter, Mo and Andy at these ages could be the last time.

    But I’m entitled that I want them to win and I’m spoiled because I think the Yankees are playing cheap and not running the team in the right way by ignoring Cespedes, Darvish, etc.

    The fact is, for every Pollyanna fan there’s just as many passionate fans who like discussing every move and non-move. That was the language my Father and I and myself and many friends built bonds over. It wasn’t built over “The Yankees are so great and do no wrong!” It was built over, “Can you believe Maddux & Bonds don’t want to be Yankees?!” or “Can you believe they traded Buhner for Phelps?!!!”

    You want to wrap yourself up in a pinstripe blanket and be warm and fuzzy about it go right ahead. But stop telling people how to root for their favorite teams. No one is telling you how to root for it.

    Yes, should we be happy that made the ALCS? Absolutely. It just would’ve been nice to see them actually show up and play those games. That outcome was utterly predictable to those of us who had identified the problems this offense had since we won the title 2009.

    All we want to see is the Yankees try to fix it and stop telling us “nothing to see here, you don’t what your’e talking about, move on” when the voices empowered by the blogs start to make it up to the front office.

    Hal Steinbrenner acting shocked that fans are upset and thinking they’ve had a bang up off season when they have no C, DH or RH hitting OF at this point was a slap in the face to many of us who expect the team to go out and find the best options they can to give the team the best chance they can to win.

  21. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    And more specifically, I’m wondering whether booing feels like a fair weather reaction.

    —————–

    Nah, booing is real simple: If what happens on the field is good, you clap or cheer or yell. If what’s happening on the field is bad, you boo.

    More often than not, people boo results moreso than booing players. There are exceptions to every rule, of course, but largely the booing is based on results.

    If Stewie comes in and plays like an average starting catcher, no one will boo. But if he plays like the back up that he is, he will be booed.

  22. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

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  23. blake January 25th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    “Chris Stewart is the Yankees catcher, is it possible to like him for what it is (the guy who has this all-important role on your favorite team) while also disliking him for what he represents (an unwillingness to sign someone more proven)? Do you cheer the player or boo the decision”

    I shall dislike Youkilis at all times with the exception that I will allow 5 seconds of good feelings for him when/if he does something positive for the Yankees in 2013

  24. Cashmoney January 25th, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    for example, Chris Stewart is the Yankees catcher, is it possible to like him for what it is (the guy who has this all-important role on your favorite team) while also disliking him for what he represents (an unwillingness to sign someone more proven)?
    ———–
    Is possible to like Dave Lapoint for what he was (a starter) who has a vital role on any teams while also dislike him because he was horrible and one wish for someone better?

    I don’t get chad?

  25. blake January 25th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    G. love tellin it like it is as usual.

    As I said earlier for me it’s all about effort…, if the Yanks do everything they can to put themselves in a position to win a championship and it doesn’t happen then so be it….that’s life and it’s a hard game.

    My issue comes when I see what I perceive to be that lack of effort…,leaving gaping holes in the lineup….letting it age and build risk…..mental mistakes in roster construction either because of incompetence or because of money…..those things bother me.

  26. Cashmoney January 25th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    no offense, Chad, I think you will never be too critical of NYY FO because it’s your job to communicate with them every day and rationally you are not going go bombastic on anything they do. I understand, it’s your livelihood.

  27. G. Love January 25th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Chad,

    I’ve never booed a Yankee. I may have thrown a “Oh, come on!”‘ a bunch of times audibly, but I don’t yell “boo”. It’s just an odd thing to yell and I also see how it scares little kids at the stadium.

    That being said, you can root for the team and be disenfranchised with the front office. That’s what being a Yankee fan in the 80′s and early 90′s were mostly about. There was a tremendous amount of push pull between George and the fans back then. He was always threatening to move the team to Jersey. He’d trade young guys for washed up vets. Fans constantly questioned the owner, manager and front office. There just wasn’t the internet yet.

  28. jacksquat January 25th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 11:30 am
    Martin his sub .200 all year, homeruns or not. Even Cervelli can hit over .200.

    ITs not about the AVG though, its about the OBP and the OPS. Martin still got on base above .300. And he hit 20 HRs. Its hard to say that Austin Romine, Chris Stewart, or Cervelli will get on base MORE than Martin and definitely wont hit as many HRs. That means more outs, less meaningful hits.

    More outs means less rallies. You may get more player movement on the bases as walks are converted into hits, which is good, but you’re still having added outs and less power.

    If you are counting on Cervelli, then you should realize the area where cervelli is strongest, vs LHP, is actually where Martin was quite strong! Stronger than Cervelli! So you’re getting less production even in Cervelli’s strongest area.

    Cervelli has a career .339 obp, Martin .311 obp in 2012.

    Cervelli has a career .692 OPS, .719 in 2011, Martin had a .713 OPS in 2012. Not much difference.

    Poor argument.

  29. RadioKev January 25th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Chad, thanks for your well thought responses.

  30. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Cashmoney January 25th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    no offense, Chad, I think you will never be too critical of NYY FO because it’s your job to communicate with them every day and rationally you are not going go bombastic on anything they do. I understand, it’s your livelihood.

    ————–

    I actually don’t think this is true.. I think Chad, as he’s said, views the game differently now that it’s his job. The writers as a whole view the game differently and can’t enjoy it in the same way fans can. It’s the double edge sword of working in the business you love. You lose something in regards to the passion for a team.

    He’s just asking some thought provoking questions.. one’s I am more than happy to answer at any time, btw, Chad. Perhaps over dinner.

  31. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    @MjordanW9

    Just got out of practice.. Now wit @yaboicito goonin.. #squadd

    —————-

    Mason Williams is ‘gooning’ for anyone interested ;)

  32. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    If I’m gonna BOO somebody, it’s gonna be HAL. His saying he was Not aware of fan dis-satisfaction with the Yankee offseason, demonstrates he has No idea what is going on in Yankee Land. The guy was born with a Siver Spoon in his mouth, yet continues to spit the bit. If you ran into this pasty lookin’ character back-in-the-day, you’d give him a wedgie and send him home bawling.

  33. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    squat – Using Cervelli’s 2010 numbers would be a better comp since he got significantly more playing time.

  34. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Still not a bad showing from Cervi, mind you.. but that’s also per-concussions and whatnot. I hope he’s the starter over Stewie if those are the options.

    Can I get some clarity on why it’s bad for Cervelli to play in the WBC, again? Is it just because he’s supposed to get to know the pitchers?

  35. Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Cervelli has a career .339 obp, Martin .311 obp in 2012.

    Cervelli has a career .692 OPS, .719 in 2011, Martin had a .713 OPS in 2012. Not much difference.

    Poor argument.

    In far less playing time. Martin got as many PA against LHP last season as Cervelli has in his MAJOR LEAGUE CAREER. Which is something you need to consider when you are penciling in these guys. Cervelli struggled in the minors the past 2 seasons and has suffered multiple concussions.

    For the most part, players that have performed at a certain level in limited play time fair worse in extended play time.

    Though as I said, Cervelli is the guy I’d want starting at this point.

  36. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    pre-concussion …ugh.

  37. RadioKev January 25th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    Honestly, between the choice of Cervelli or Stewart, I’d go with the guy who’s the better catcher. You’re not getting much from the bat of either player.

  38. jacksquat January 25th, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 25th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Things are rapidly changing, but one thing that has to thoroughly shift is the expectation that women have some obligation to be “women first” whatever that is supposed to mean.

    The society is still largely focused on how women “look” to others; this “otherness” still deprives women of a selfhood that the world is allowed to interrupt and weigh in on.

    For example, it is ridiculous that people come up to women they know casually only and say things like” “what – no smile today?” It seems innocent enough, but really, what this says is:

    “I like your smile. It makes ME feel good. That’s what you should be focused on; making the world feel good or more comfortable. Never mind that I have no idea what is going on in your inner life that may preclude your desire to smile in this particular moment in which I entered to discover you here. Any way, the desire part is mine to play; I don’t particularly care what yours are.”

    A middle-aged, overweight man got on an elevator with me, and 3 women. I was alone. They were busy in conversation. He interrupted and said, “how lucky for me, to step onto this elevator and find 3 attractive women,” shooting me a conspiratorial glance. I stared coldly and neutrally at him.

    Two of the women giggled in an obligatory manner, the third had a somewhat hostile expression on her face – as she was the one speaking to the others when he interrupted, but she restrained herself, I could see.

    I wanted to say: “how dare you impose yourself” but then, I’d just be a “man” weighing in on their privacy too, with my own “assessment”, though not about their looks.

    This seems innocent: it goes on all the time. It’s not only not innocent, it’s incredibly narcissistic. The women are supposed to feel flattered; on some level, he thought he was being nice, I suppose, but he was seeking gratification that was wildly inappropriate, from my view. THey might have said: “Who are YOU to decide we’re attractive?” Or something.

    This subtle, but acceptable kind of projection of desire onto women, that robs them of their privacy, has got to leave us for things to truly change, IMO.

    This is kind of amusing, but also kind of pathetic.

    Sheath your sword, sir, the lady does not need your protection.

    Really, do you think women need men to make posts like this in their defense? Who is the sexist then? Or maybe like many that pose like this, you are just trying to curry favor, often with the ultimate goal of getting laid (obviously not that part on a internet message board). Or maybe just be seen as intellectually and socially superior, which seems to be your goal here most of the time. Whichever, please spare us.

    Btw, you forgot to use the sexism buzzword of the decade, “misogynist(ic)”. Better get the playbook out and brush up on your style.

  39. Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    RadioKev, Cervelli’s upside with the bat is way better than Stewart. Stewart is going to be like 50% worse than league average. Cervelli could actually be above average, atleast in terms of AVG/OBP. He has no power, but I’ll take anything we can get.

    S’why Kotteras makes a lot of sense

  40. RadioKev January 25th, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    And Jacksquat, you’re cherry picking numbers. It’s year to year, and career to career. You don’t get to mismatch if you want to make a credible argument.

  41. RadioKev January 25th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
    RadioKev, Cervelli’s upside with the bat is way better than Stewart. Stewart is going to be like 50% worse than league average. Cervelli could actually be above average, atleast in terms of AVG/OBP. He has no power, but I’ll take anything we can get.

    S’why Kotteras makes a lot of sense
    ——-

    I agree that Cervelli has a better bat (and he’s faster). But I don’t know if he’s a league average guy (even though I don’t know league avg catching numbers off of the top of my head).

    However, you have to remember, there was some thought that guys didn’t really like throwing to Cervelli. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but if Stewart is a better game manager, there’s something to be said for that.

    If Cervelli hits above league average, then I’ll agree with you, how about that? (We know Stewart won’t.)

  42. Phranchise January 25th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Chad, I think the biggest thing with the last few years is all the inflated contracts we have for guys underperforming. It comes with age and we are getting older. So, if anything, I like the guys on this team as much as anybody, loved Swisher’s persoanlity, the class Granderson brings, Jeter obviously. But I think fans also don’t relate to these guys the same way anymore. I mean you root for Cano, but he was so bad in the playoffs and I think why people turn on the players is we are already talking about him wanting this absurd contract and no home team discounts. It’s hard to be sympathetic or sit there and say hey that guy should get paid $30 million a year. Then you have the organization that is trying to put more money in their pockets while plenty of people pay a good chunk of disposable income just to go to the games. The Yankees and their players developed the culture. Maybe a cap on the team is prudent, but then cut the ticket prices or the concessions or something. You treat the fans like a business, players and organization, then you will be treated with the same coldness in return. I am a die hard fan and don’t sit there and boo, but I certainly see the frustration and sometimes its not just the fans that need to look in the mirror to try and figure out who they are.

  43. Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Kev,

    the defense is of course in question with Cervelli. I’d roll the dice because we need offense more than D honestly and none of our catching choices are inspiring. Cervelli really got out of whack defensively, I think the concussions hurt him there. In the minors he was throwing out 40% of runners and he carried that into the season in 09. Then he got hurt a bunch and was throwing out 11% while committing lots of throwing errors.

    But then last season he finally brought that number up to around 30% in AAA, so maybe he is over it. Gosh if he could throw out 30% and hit like he is capable that’d be a boon. Stewart was less than stellar defensively, certainly not as good as his reputation suggested, and we all know he ain’t got no bat.

  44. blake January 25th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    @BenBadler: MLB is investigating age questions on Cuban SS Aledmys Diaz. His agent has questions for MLB: http://t.co/q2lZlc54

  45. austinmac January 25th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    I don’t boo players as I feel, if anything, it is counterproductive. If they ever had the nerve to show Hal on the screen, you can bet I would boo unmercifully.

    We are fans. Why should we get excited for a bigger profit margin or reduced expenditures? That doesn’t help we fans or the players on the field.

    Owning a team was thought to be a public trust by some. To Hal and company it is precisely the same as owning a manufacturing plant. Cut expenses and let’s see if we can still sell our product.

  46. blake January 25th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Cervelli’s bat isn’t the biggest concern IMO….he can hit a little bit

  47. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    This is kind of amusing, but also kind of pathetic.

    Sheath your sword, sir, the lady does not need your protection.

    Really, do you think women need men to make posts like this in their defense? Who is the sexist then? Or maybe like many that pose like this, you are just trying to curry favor, often with the ultimate goal of getting laid (obviously not that part on a internet message board). Or maybe just be seen as intellectually and socially superior, which seems to be your goal here most of the time. Whichever, please spare us.

    Btw, you forgot to use the sexism buzzword of the decade, “misogynist(ic)”. Better get the playbook out and brush up on your style.

    ——————

    We’re pretty early into 2013, but I’ll go ahead and nominate this as the ‘WTF Post of the Year’…. remind me of this when we do superlatives at the end of the season.

  48. Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    ?@BenBadler

    MLB is investigating age questions on Cuban SS Aledmys Diaz. His agent has questions for MLB: http://bit.ly/14e1hWl

    Could be one of the times where a player misrepresenting his age works in the team’s favor. He is claiming to be 23 but may be 22 or 21, so he can avoid the IFA pool restrictions (Stupid MLB…) So I hope he signs with the Yankees, uncapped, and then we secretly have a younger player. Always better :)

  49. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Kev – I wish I could say we’d be getting a better defensive catcher out of Stewie, but I dunno that he brings that much more to the table back there. I’d rather have Cervelli/Molina (Jose) or someone that was a high quality defensive catcher. Stewie seemed average last year.. and I think that’s giving him extra credit, tbh.

  50. Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    We’re pretty early into 2013, but I’ll go ahead and nominate this as the ‘WTF Post of the Year’…. remind me of this when we do superlatives at the end of the season.

    Jacksquat your quickness in going down the reverse racism and feminists are the true sexists avenues is disquieting :twisted:

  51. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    So Diaz is the first Cuban to try and lie to say he’s older than he really is…??

    Okay… now I really want him lol. That’s wrong, right? Yeah. Yeah I know.. but I still want the kid.

  52. jacksquat January 25th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    Cervelli has a career .339 obp, Martin .311 obp in 2012.

    Cervelli has a career .692 OPS, .719 in 2011, Martin had a .713 OPS in 2012. Not much difference.

    Poor argument.

    In far less playing time. Martin got as many PA against LHP last season as Cervelli has in his MAJOR LEAGUE CAREER. Which is something you need to consider when you are penciling in these guys. Cervelli struggled in the minors the past 2 seasons and has suffered multiple concussions.

    For the most part, players that have performed at a certain level in limited play time fair worse in extended play time.

    Though as I said, Cervelli is the guy I’d want starting at this point.

    Well, you made it sound as if Cervelli is a big step down from Martin offensively, and he is not. Cervelli has had a full season of PA spread over a few years in his career. It seems fairly clear what type of hitter he is. I don’t care about his minor league numbers, there are enough major league at bats and seasons for it to not be a fluke. If anything I would take Cervelli’s higher obp, avg and contact ability over Martin’s home runs (with nearly the same OPS).

    I’m fine with Cervelli as the starter, they may not lose much offense there at all, I’m just worried about his defense a little.

  53. blake January 25th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    “So I hope he signs with the Yankees, uncapped, and then we secretly have a younger player. Always better ”

    This

  54. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    We have NOT seen Cervelli consistently batting at the MLB level for a yr now, making comments on his hitting obsolete. Also, after witnessing the rapid offensive decline of Bay following the numerous concussions, I would further suggest not speculating on just what to expect outta Cervelli offensively at the MLB level in 2013. The slowed reflexes\reaction time of players suffering numerous concussions is an open question.

  55. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    austinmac January 25th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    I don’t boo players as I feel, if anything, it is counterproductive. If they ever had the nerve to show Hal on the screen, you can bet I would boo unmercifully.

    ——————

    This is an area where I have to give Donny some credit (pay attention Donny lol!!), he said during this debate some time ago something along the lines of: ‘NYS isn’t a factory, booing isn’t meant to be productive’

    I largely agree with that assessment.. No one is doing it to accomplish, just to express.

  56. Cashmoney January 25th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Yo Shame, if you cook I will oblige any questions you have about the Yanks, I can wear a Chad Mask. My only request is that you make a mean meatload.

    oh btw, my sword is generally sheathed, so no worries.

  57. jacksquat January 25th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    We’re pretty early into 2013, but I’ll go ahead and nominate this as the ‘WTF Post of the Year’…. remind me of this when we do superlatives at the end of the season.

    Jacksquat your quickness in going down the reverse racism and feminists are the true sexists avenues is disquieting

    There is no such thing as “reverse racism”. Racism is racism, period.

    And I said nothing about “feminists” or “feminism”, I commented on a man getting on the soapbox about sexism, possibly being a sexist act in itself.

  58. Nick in SF January 25th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Just to clarify, Cervelli said he’s playing in the WBC because they’re guaranteeing him a parking space.

    Regarding booing, my feeling is, why boo a player if you can spit on his wife?

    G. Love, great post and very entertaining.

  59. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Cashmoney January 25th, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Yo Shame, if you cook I will oblige any questions you have about the Yanks, I can wear a Chad Mask. My only request is that you make a mean meatload.

    oh btw, my sword is generally sheathed, so no worries.

    ——————–

    Ahahahaha… I’m gonna pretend the word ‘meatload’ was a Freudian slip. Also, jacksquat now has competition ;)

  60. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Meatload. Heh.

  61. Cashmoney January 25th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    lol whoops, typo! anywho, glad you got a laugh out of it Shame…

  62. RadioKev January 25th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    I had honestly forgotten about Cervelli’s errors, I was thinking more of the talk that some guys didn’t like his energy behind the plate. If that is true, I think that’s problematic enough to outweigh the offensive advantage. He’s not Jorge Posada with the bat.

    But that could just be rumors and fans talking.

  63. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    I commented on a man getting on the soapbox about sexism, possibly being a sexist act in itself.

    ———————

    His comments were in response to discussions about women in FO’s. Nothing sexist about a man pointing out how women can be treated like assholes just for being women.

    My biggest pet peeve is the man/woman handshake. I hate it how guys try to shake my hand. They’re all delicate about it and do that thing where they grab your fingers and not your hand. It’s weird. You’re not gonna break my hand if you shake it like you’d shake a guys.

  64. jacksquat January 25th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    “Meatload” LOL :D

  65. RadioKev January 25th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    Regarding booing, my feeling is, why boo a player if you can spit on his wife?
    ——–

    :)

  66. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    I know we’ve discussed the WBC at least being better competition than ST…. so why is it bad to see how Cervelli does against better pitching with higher stake games in play?

    Is it strictly because we want him to get to know our staff?

  67. RadioKev January 25th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    People of all kinds should wear “Huggers” or “Shakers” buttons. It would make life a lot easier.

  68. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Cervelli needs to take Xanax or Ritalin when he is catching. I’m not sure which.

  69. Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Shame,

    The Yankees cannot afford to send scouts to the WBC and Cervelli wont be under the watchful eyes of Tony Pena & Girardi (plus he wouldnt be practicing/stretching with the Yankees which is a legitimate concern)

  70. Nick in SF January 25th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Typos like “meatload” are exactly why we’re stuck with Chris Stewart as our catcher.

  71. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    That “fingers grabber” handshake is prefferable to the one where the guy’s fingers only extend into your palm, and they kinda scratch at you a little. THAT, is flat out creepy.

  72. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    “Typos like “meatload” are exactly why we’re stuck with Chris Stewart as our catcher.”

    The typo theory of bad evaluations of catchers. Interesting. ;)

  73. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Shame,

    The Yankees cannot afford to send scouts to the WBC and Cervelli wont be under the watchful eyes of Tony Pena & Girardi (plus he wouldnt be practicing/stretching with the Yankees which is a legitimate concern)

    ————————

    Ahh, I see. I thought they could just watch the games on tv lol, but I get that’s not the same thing because you can’t focus on a specific player. Can’t they send Reggie over there lol?? Guy is already on the payroll and doesn’t have a real job. Hell, send Posada to watch him!!

    I suppose monitoring his workouts/preparation would be important.

  74. jacksquat January 25th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Rich in NJ January 25th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
    Cervelli needs to take Xanax or Ritalin when he is catching. I’m not sure which.

    I was thinking a few bong hits might do it…

    Too bad it’s against the rules.

  75. G. Love January 25th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    With all this talk of meatloads and sword sheathing’s the blog has taken a pleasantly odd unexpected turn.

    And I agree with Nick. Save your “boo’s” and store up your saliva.

  76. Cashmoney January 25th, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    I think both stewart and Cervelli are buc. one is better offensively, the other, defensively. that’s pretty much it to me.

  77. blake January 25th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Kotteras claimed by KC….we weren’t interested anyway

  78. G. Love January 25th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    I’m just biding my time waiting for the announcement of Girardi as player/manager in 2013. This has all been a ruse to grease the skids for his return behind the plate.

  79. Cashmoney January 25th, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    G. you handle always reads to me as in the Gangster of Love. that’s pretty much would be my rapper name if i could actually rhythm.

  80. Jerkface January 25th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    Ok so kotteras only made it 4 spots in the waiver wire. We know from that Min, Cle, and Bos did not claim him. Gotta think the Yankees woulda taken him on the waiver wire, they just didnt wanna trade for him before he went on there. Oh well.

  81. randy l. January 25th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    “At what point, though, does a “real” fan bail on the team and declare the season an absolute, waste-of-time failure? Is it understandable and acceptable to boycott games and merchandise to send a message about the current financial plan, or is that the very definition of fair weather (sticking with the team only when it’s spending like mad and overpowering the competition with elite talent)?”

    chad-

    i like chris stewart perfectly fine as the yankee back up catcher, and i root for him to do well when he’s in there.

    the whole question of what a good fan or true fan is a complex question. first of all ,spending a whole lot of time root for someone else is a kind of odd thing to to do, irrational in a way.

    you know that you as a sportswriter you do not root for teams. you know that players almost always do not root for teams. once someone is a professional in a sport they lose their rooting interests.
    fans are amateurs almost by definition.
    the last thing anyone in the game wants to be known as is a fan no matter fair weather or true fan.

    so this debate over true fan vs fair weather fan is a little odd to me. to me the yankees represent something more than other sports teams. they represent excellence. i can learn from watching excellence. i remember reading a lou gehrig book when i was a kid. i remember him catching eels with his mother. it had nothing to do with baseball. it was about character and who gehrig was. it was also about excellence and doing things the right way.

    so i expect the yankees to have character and be excellent on the field. like gehrig. like jeter. like mo.

    personally i’d rather play baseball than watch baseball. i’d rather play golf than root for tiger woods. though i did watch woods a lot when he was high on the character and excellence thing. now , not so much.

    it’s the same way with the yankees. if hal takes the yankees into mediocrity because of a lack of interest on his part, i’m not watching much. be excellent or be on the way to excellence or i’m wasting my time.

    teach me something. show me some life lessons accomplishing something or i have better things to do with my time.

    so this debate about if someone is a fair weather fan if their team isn’t winning isn’t defined enough. i’ll watch tiger woods try to make a comeback, but only for so long. if he’s not really on a road to excellence, why bother? seriously.

    same with the yankees. i’ll watch them rebuild from the ground up if i think they are on a path towards success. that would be interesting and exciting, but to simply root for a team going nowhere because of bad ownership and management makes no sense to me.

  82. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    That “fingers grabber” handshake is prefferable to the one where the guy’s fingers only extend into your palm, and they kinda scratch at you a little. THAT, is flat out creepy.

    —————–

    Were you shaking hands with Mike Piazza?

  83. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Save your “boo’s” and store up your saliva.

    ————

    Must these be mutually exclusive..? :D

  84. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    “so this debate over true fan vs fair weather fan is a little odd to me”

    I agree. It would be as productive to talk about fair weather owners, team presidents, GMs, and managers. Basically, if you post much on a Yankee blog, you’re not a fair weather fan. Let’s see team personnel a fraction of that kind of unpaid effort.

  85. G. Love January 25th, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Shame,

    I’m not sure. I always thought booing induced cotton mouth.

  86. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Fair-weathered fan always sounded a lot like ‘front running fan’ to me.

  87. Nick in SF January 25th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Sloppy booing is bad for the people sitting in front of you unless they enjoy the sensation of your spittle splashing on their necks.

  88. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    GLove (or perhaps, Gangster of Love) – Nah, I can multitask better than our front office. Spitting AND booing! That’s how Team Greedy rolls ;)

  89. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Booing isn’t worth the effort. Just don’t go.

  90. blake January 25th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    fans not going to the games makes a much bigger statement than booing….

  91. Ys Guy January 25th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    nobody’s ever accused me of being a fair weather fan, i’ve stuck it out through a couple of droughts starting with the horace clark era.

    at the same time, i start out every season good or bad, telling myself that i have to watch less baseball and get other things done and it’s just a fact that a losing team is just easier to step away from than a contending team.

    the numbers dont lie when the team stinks, alot less people watch on a day to day basis. that doesnt make them fair weather fans.

    even when im trying to take some time away, i still read the paper the next day and i’ll still tune in to some parts of most games.

    to me a fair weather fan is the guy who roots for the yankees when they win, then turns around and roots for the mets or the phillies or whoever when the yankees are not that good.

  92. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Rich,
    Unless you’re booing the umpires.

  93. Ys Guy January 25th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    to me booing is fine. these guys are getting paid a ton of money and we fans are paying that money.
    anybody who’s paying to watch the game has the right to cheer or boo as they see fit. i have no problem with it whatsoever.

  94. Rich in NJ January 25th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    Tom

    I’m actually pro-robot.

  95. Warning Track Power January 25th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Carl Pavano ruptured his spleen shoveling snow outside his home in Vermont.
    Will need about 8 weeks to recover.

    Sounds worse than the time he bruised his buttocks

  96. Tackelberry January 25th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Carl Pavano ruptured his spleen shoveling snow outside his home in Vermont.
    Will need about 8 weeks to recover.

    Sounds worse than the time he bruised his buttocks
    __________________________

    Poor Guy. If it weren’t for bad luck he’d have no luck at all.

  97. Tackelberry January 25th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Kotteras claimed by KC….we weren’t interested anyway

    ________________________________________

    Perhaps Lars Anderson will interest us. he was DFAed by AZ to make room on their roster for Prado

  98. Ys Guy January 25th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    robots are a very interesting idea. but some calls need to be made instantaneously.

    im wondering how the call is made quickly and indicated to all the players and baserunners so they can continue plays.

    i think its definitely time to start experimenting with robots for ball and strike calls. base plays may need a little more time, though.

  99. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    I dunno that booing is meant to make a statement either… not about the franchise or organization as a whole. It’s just a “hey, that was a bad play and it’s really hard to start a ‘please catch the ball next time’ chant.”

  100. Warning Track Power January 25th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Tackelberry January 25th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
    Carl Pavano ruptured his spleen shoveling snow outside his home in Vermont.
    Will need about 8 weeks to recover.

    Sounds worse than the time he bruised his buttocks
    __________________________

    Poor Guy. If it weren’t for bad luck he’d have no luck at all.
    ——————————————————————————————————
    Carl is not poor. He has tens of millions of dollars. He will never have to work another day in his life, if he is smart about his fortune.

  101. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    Rich,
    One day, I’m positive, the robots will be booed, too.

  102. Ys Guy January 25th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    carl pavano has made over $71,000,000 playing (or should i say not playing) baseball.

    you think he could pay someone to shovel his house? i mean he lives in Vermont, he might have anticipated some snowfall….

  103. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    @Mets

    Jeff Wilpon challenged @Jay_HorwitzPR to get to 10K followers by midnight. If successful he’ll make a donation to a charity of Jay’s choice.

    —————-

    Will the Wilpons actually donate this money to charity now or will they get a deferral?

  104. Ys Guy January 25th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    personally i boo lustily when the umps are announced.

    its my way of showing respect in and keep up tradition.

  105. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    I like the Robot\boxer episode of “The Twilight Zone” with Lee Marvin. Unfortunate that he achieved true Stardom late in life. Marvin was also center stage in the courts recognizing “common law” marriages. He paid the price for his role here.

  106. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Ys Guy January 25th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    carl pavano has made over $71,000,000 playing (or should i say not playing) baseball.

    you think he could pay someone to shovel his house? i mean he lives in Vermont, he might have anticipated some snowfall….

    —————–

    What kind of Vermont resident doesn’t have a snow blower/plow thingy? I live in North Jersey.. we only got snow one day last winter and my neighbors STILL have those crazy snow machines. You’d think he’d be better prepared.

  107. Hassey January 25th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    I’d love to see us pick up Lars Anderson and watch him bloom & drop bombs every time we visit the Fens

  108. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    “Liberty Valance is the toughest man south of the picket wire………………….next to me.”

  109. blake January 25th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    @EyeOnBaseball: Cashman: A-Rod could miss the entire 2013 season http://t.co/8NWCtTZf via @cbssports

  110. austinmac January 25th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    YS,

    I agree with your fair weather fan definition. Horace Clarke was the best player in my teens. I was still a big fan, but bad teams are no fun to watch. It is human nature to watch less. I will still watch a lot, but those years were rather like watching the Tiger series over and over again.

  111. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    austin,
    I like Roy White.

  112. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    “liked”

  113. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    I like White offensively, and Mel Stottlymyre to do the chucking during that period. Also Joe Pepitone was still banging around.

  114. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    blake January 25th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    @EyeOnBaseball: Cashman: A-Rod could miss the entire 2013 season http://t.co/8NWCtTZf via @cbssports

    ——————-

    Figured as much… This is why what they do when Youk gets injured will be interesting. And it will take an injury because ineffectiveness in vets will just result in more ‘we know Youky is a professional and we believe in his talent’ stuff from Girardi.

  115. austinmac January 25th, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    Ys,

    I batted like White one of my years of little league with my hands around my waist. Watching the games on TV was about the only baseball instruction I got. Roy was a good player with an arm like Damon’s.

  116. DONNYBROOK January 25th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    This is typical Cashman Attempting to get in the spotlight. The man just can Not stand being exiled.

  117. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    austin,
    But did you hit like he did?

  118. Warning Track Power January 25th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    blake January 25th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
    @EyeOnBaseball: Cashman: A-Rod could miss the entire 2013 season http://t.co/8NWCtTZf via @cbssports
    ————————————————————————————————————
    Not a big deal. My expectations for ARod in 2013 are low. The early reports had him returning in the summer and I’ll stick with that until ARod tells us different.

  119. RMS January 25th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    And it will take an injury because ineffectiveness in vets will just result in more ‘we know Youky is a professional and we believe in his talent’ stuff from Girardi.

    —————————————————————————————————————-
    Youky? Yukey

  120. tomingeorgia January 25th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Youkie.

  121. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    In the spirit of insulting female fans for being female, the NY Rangers have created a ‘A Girl’s Guide to Watching the Rangers.’ The Rangers suck. And so do their crappy guest posters.

    http://blueshirtsunited.com/po.....qus_thread

  122. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Ah… the epic ‘y’ vs ‘ie’ debate.

    I know a few Paulies… some Pauly some Paulie. Do you guys know any Paulies/ys? Whats the preference?

  123. Shame Spencer January 25th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    :arrow:

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