Best case, worst case: Shortstop
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 26, 2013 
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This one is kind of difficult, mostly because I’m not entirely sure how far to go. Which extremes are plausible?
Best-case scenario
Past, present, future
Derek Jeter says he’ll be fine. His ankle has healed, he’s out of the walking boot and there’s plenty of time to get ready for Opening Day. If he’s right, and he’s legitimately 100 percent on April 1, then just maybe he can repeat last season. If you’re going to shoot for the moon, dream of a return to his 2009 form, but to me that seems a little too far out of reach. If Jeter is healthy on Opening Day, mobile enough to play his brand of reliable, by-the-book defense, and able to give the Yankees a steady on-base presence at the top of the order, that’s the most the Yankees could possibly ask for. This is Jeter we’re talking about, so maybe he’s got another surprise up his sleeve, but a repeat of 2012 is a pretty good best-case scenario.
Part of that best-case scenario might involve keeping Jeter off the field from time to time to keep his legs strong and his body healthy. For that to work, the Yankees are going to need some impact from Eduardo Nunez. Sure, Jayson Nix can do the job, but the best-case scenario has Nunez getting regular starts in the field against lefties. It would allow Jeter to rest and give Nunez a chance to take the necessary steps forward defensively. If Nunez can finally add consistency to his considerable tools, the Yankees just might be able to get one or two more years out of Jeter while also preparing for his inevitable retirement.
For the system to add depth at the position, the team is going to need results from Cito Culver and Austin Aune. The Yankees have said Culver’s at-bats have been better than his results, and if he can finally put up some offensive numbers to go with his steady glove, the Yankees will have a legitimate young shortstop prospect on the rise. Coming up right behind him, Aune is going to have to do the opposite in his first full professional season. There are fewer concerns about Aune’s bat, and if he can prove himself as a viable defensive option at shortstop, the Yankees could begin to build real depth and long-term possibilities at the position.
Worst-case scenario
Wanted: One big league shortstop
If Jeter is wrong — if he doesn’t have time to get ready for Opening Day, if all this missed time has finally left his range too limited for even his steady hands to handle the shortstop position — the Yankees will have to find an immediate solution at the position. Their first choice would almost certainly be Nunez, with hopes that steady playing time will lead to steady results. And if they’re wrong about that as well — if Nunez makes familiar errors and leaves the team with a familiar decision to banish him to Triple-A – the Yankees could fall back on Nix to be their regular shortstop. Either that, or they’ll have to go shopping for a replacement.
Shopping for a new shortstop would have ramifications beyond 2013 because, if the Yankees don’t have a dependable option this year, it means they don’t have a dependable option beyond this year either. That means spending some of their limited 2014 payroll on a shortstop, all while also either A: Paying Jeter for his 2014 player option or B: Having Jeter turn down the option, creating an offseason distraction of whether the Yankees should re-sign their most iconic player of the past two decades.
And it goes without saying that the worst-case scenario also leaves the Yankees without a long-term shortstop solution. In the lowest levels of the minors, Culver’s bat might once again stall at roughly a .215 average with extremely limited power, and Aune’s glove might prove too limited for the infield. If Jeter can’t play, Nunez can’t field, Culver can’t hit, and Aune can’t stick, the Yankees will have a organizational black hole at the position that’s been as steady as any since Jeter first arrived.
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Here it is, Saturday night, and the hockey know it alls have burned their bridges in my books. So what if u win gold Sidney? How ‘cum you make more than that paediatric heart surgeon. Its an incetuous affair with the local yahoo announcers dumbly shouting, ” Go leafs, go! ” – anybody got a thousand bucks for a ticket?
Sorry, ” incestuous.” – Sting just corrected moi.
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Here it is, Saturday night, and the hockey know it alls have burned their bridges in my books. So what if u win gold Sidney? How ‘cum you make more than that paediatric heart surgeon. Its an incetuous affair with the local yahoo announcers dumbly shouting, ” Go leafs, go! ” – anybody got a thousand bucks for a ticket?
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whats really good about hockey this year is that it’s a sprint to the playoffs..every game is important
Go Big Bad Bruins…
Hi Joe, even my Habs friend can’t get excited; we’re not downers naturally, but just pissed with the whole scene. I’ve told it prior, Marcel Dionne thinks the present players are dicks.
My daughter got me a beautiful authenticated signed pic of Orr for Xmas – perfect being that she is.
YankeesWFAN Talking Yankees, Mets and more with Ed Coleman Sunday in WFAN 3-6pm. Only two weeks until pitchers & catchers.
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Cool – season is right around the corner then – and then Occupy Lohud can begin against the 1% complainers/elitists – - – - -
Gee whiz,I thought the Cashman drafting geniuses were certain that Cito Culver was the “guy”! Where is the hockey blog?
We are ready for you. Logic defeats blind faith.
Regarding athletics, I do think colleges should be taking care of their players financially, especially where it concerns concussions etc.. These kids are put thru the meat grinder with, I ponder, precious time for relevant studies.
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Hi Joe, even my Habs friend can’t get excited; we’re not downers naturally, but just pissed with the whole scene. I’ve told it prior, Marcel Dionne thinks the present players are dicks.
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watching a lot of games in the US rinks the stands are full and seems to be a lot of noise
I became a Bruins fan in 1972….watch Bruins games out of Springfield Ma…way before NESN
Joe, I watched the Miracle on ice, it was something else. Even the Canadian amateurs gave it a good go vs the Russian stoic machine and had an early lead before failing.
comnsnse January 26th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Gee whiz,I thought the Cashman drafting geniuses were certain that Cito Culver was the
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That was such an over reach smh
Joe, because of Bobby, I think a part of all of us are Bruin fans. He gave his last great hockey free to plot vs the Russians in ’76 ( MVP of the series )- he played ten more games for the Hawks and scored twice.
Stoneburner – The Return of Wax January 26th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
YankeesWFAN Talking Yankees, Mets and more with Ed Coleman Sunday in WFAN 3-6pm. Only two weeks until pitchers & catchers.
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Cool – season is right around the corner then – and then Occupy Lohud can begin against the 1% complainers/elitists – – – –
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I thought you were going to be on your best behavior from hear on out.
Bobby Orr could teach everybody how to have a real baseball classic with nobody being afraid their arm is going to fall off.
Hi Against, sorry ( not really ) about the Phil Collins bugging, but, u picked a good one there.
J Mills would rather the owners had all the loot? If the players don’t make good salaries the owners maker ever bigger prodits!
here on out**
What does SMH stand for?
Comet, hi; I don’t blame the players for what’s put in front of them, but, the #’s are insanity.
Shake my Head – I think against taught me that one.
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Joe, because of Bobby, I think a part of all of us are Bruin fans
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No, sir!
Nevernevernevernever.
Alfred, you’re a closet Bobby fan from way back !
jmills, I’ll give him this: he’s the third best player overall I’ve ever seen.
Alfred, Wayne needed a goon beside him – Orr had to fend for himself.
comet, do you root for the Leafs?
Mr. Mills, when did anyone ever actually get a piece of Wayne?
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Joe, because of Bobby, I think a part of all of us are Bruin fans
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No, sir! Nevernevernevernever.
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it’s all true
Orr was on half a knee from the get go, and still they said, ” he should’ve had a puck of his own. “
‘Cool – season is right around the corner then – and then Occupy Lohud can begin against the 1% complainers/elitists – –”
Don’t let the proverbial blog door hit ya. Back to your trolling ways I see.
Alfred, that prick, Suter, in the ’91 Canada Cup.
back in the 70′s in Boston Derek Michael Sanderson was who everyone wanted to rub elbows with
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Orr was on half a knee from the get go, and still they said, ” he should’ve had a puck of his own. “
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I agree. Being No. 3 is pretty high in the hierarchy – I’ve seen a lot of hockey players come and go in my time.
The thing about Gretzky and Lemieux is, they were prolific to a supernatural level – and were also great sharers of the puck, and it would always find them again.
There’s no “No 2″ in my book; two No. 1s and Orr, 3rd. The rest of the field is far, far away.
At one time, Turk, was making more than Pele.
Alfred, you’re out of your friggin’ mind!
Having Jeter turn down the option, creating an offseason distraction of whether the Yankees should re-sign their most iconic player of the past two decades.
Jeter turning down the option and wanting a multiyear deal would totally screw the Yankees’ plans to get under budget.
Alfred, I win the discussion, coz Fergie Jenkins had six straight 20 plus seasons.
Yea, Suter, and McCreary and Rich Pilon. You can count them on one hand. Gretzky had a way of not just eluding hits, but of bending himself around you like Gumby and still retaining the puck. He’d do that one legged thing with the free leg, and dish the puck and then become the trailer. I remember Philly fans in ’85 and ’87 in the Cup finals those years screaming for the Flyers to hit Gretzky. Mark Howe came out in the Inquirer during the series and said “We’re trying….what people don’t realize is, it’s very hard to line this guy up.” They finally got the memo and tried to take away space instead, but that didn’t work, either – with Kurri and Tikkanen lurking, and Ruotsalainen and Coffey moving up from behind.
My brother was working down in south NJ at the time, close to Philly, in the prosecutor’s office. A colleague complained that the Oilers only had one player: Wayne Gretzky (Flyer fans have got to be the least league-savvy fans in the NHL). My brother told him: “Al – they’ve got like six guys better than your best player.”
joeman January 26th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
back in the 70?s in Boston Derek Michael Sanderson was who everyone wanted to rub elbows with
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He was a great penalty killer. Scored a lot of short-handed goals. He and RSod Gilbert used to carouse whenever the Bruins came into New York. Legend has it they faked a fight just to discuss what night spots they were going to hit after the game.
” Al, they’ve got like six players better than your best player. ” – hilarious
Rod Gilbert? – I have his O-Pee Chee cards too!
Jmills,
Howe was their best player, and he was a good one, but Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, Anderson, Ruotsalainen, Coffey and Fuhr were indeed better
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Rodrique Gabriel Gilbert to you!
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
joeman January 26th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
back in the 70?s in Boston Derek Michael Sanderson was who everyone wanted to rub elbows with
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He was a great penalty killer. Scored a lot of short-handed goals. He and RSod Gilbert used to carouse whenever the Bruins came into New York. Legend has it they faked a fight just to discuss what night spots they were going to hit after the game.
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didnt him and joe willie plus another own a bar together
….Sorry, I’ll just discuss Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel instead.
Sanderson did a lot of TV forr the Bruins but I think he had some kind of problem with a substance thus they let him go
Joe Nameth and Derek did somewhat work together combined with alcohol.
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Joe Nameth and Derek did somewhat work together combined with alcohol.
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jmills you from Boston
didnt him and joe willie plus another own a bar together
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joeman, not sure about that. Maybe. I thought Gilbert had a steakhouse at one point. As for Namath and The Turk partnering, haven’t heard that one.
Joe Willie White Shoes and Sanderson had a similar public profile.
Hey – just came to me: “Bachelors Three” or something?
Sanderson was in the public eye enough that it has been reported New York Yankees’ shortstop Derek Sanderson Jeter was named after him. This has, however, been denied by Jeter himself in an interview on MLB.com.[12] Derek Jeter’s father’s first name is Sanderson; as a result, this is more likely to be source of his middle name. Sanderson would help the Bruins finish first in the league for the next two seasons, which included a Stanley Cup victory in 1971-72 against the New York Rangers.[13
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Joe Willie White Shoes and Sanderson had a similar public profile.
Hey – just came to me: “Bachelors Three” or something?
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yes thats it
Joe, no, I was born on the Scarborough bloughs in Toronto – ’66 ( the year the Doors were assuming dominance )
joeman, I didn’t realize Sanderson was in on that place. Who’s the third bachelor? Gilbert?
This post kinda goes back to the SS org depth post.
Derek Jeter
Crickets……
Meanwhile, in a distraction from his hockey career, along with New England Patriots receiver Jim Colclough, and the New York Jets star football quarterback Joe Namath, Sanderson opened “Bachelors III”, a trendy nightclub on New York City’s Upper East Side. Negative publicity over some of the clubs less than reputable patrons led to problems and eventually Sanderson had to get out of what went from a “goldmine” to a money-losing venture.[17] This would start a downward spiral in which Sanderson would bounce from team to team, never being able to stay with a team for more than two full seasons because mainly of his addiction to alcohol
Pru I do very casually root for the Leafs. My yankees long ago replaced the Leafs in my heart.
Yeah, I always thought that was weird until I found out the father’s link to that name. Derek, after all, grew up in Michigan – not Boston.
His mother, though, is supposed to be a hockey freak, I think.
comet, you have my sympathies
. I did enjoy all those crazy Harold Ballard stories through the years, though. And you had those great Davey Keon days 
. I told jmills, somewhere in this 100-year old house of ours, a copy of Punch Imlach’s “Hockey is a Battle,” is collecting dust 
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looks like Sinatara and his posse were there often
joeman, good call.
sinatra
and now we apparently have no hope of signing the Diaz kid, because he’s actually 21 or something….
Pru i think you suffer from oileritis. Maurice Richard may have been the best to play the game. If not him then Howe. Bobby Orr would come 3rd or fourth. How about Jaques Plante as goalie?
Tar and blake,
My condolences. Not really.
Derek Sanderson is related to Derek Jeter.
with wikipedia you can’t hide anymore
I also have Anatoli Tarasov’s “How to Win the Olympics,” which makes Mr. Mills frown
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Yeah, I always thought that was weird until I found out the father’s link to that name. Derek, after all, grew up in Michigan – not Boston.
His mother, though, is supposed to be a hockey freak, I think.
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crazy stuff
Why is Bobby Orr constantly coming third or fourth ( 4 )?
– although, I like the #.
Pru as a chikd I idolized Punch Imlach. So much so that when he was fired I stopped rooting for the Leafs. When the Sabres hired Punch I went along for the ride. The French connection with Gil Perrault was amazing! Perrauly himself wasan amazing wizard with the puck.
Alfred, Canada put a team together in 2 weeks and beat those Red army freaks. Go, Ayn Rand!!!!
Hey how is life today? Good to see you here!
Hey TOM how is life today? Good to see you here!
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Why is Bobby Orr constantly coming third or fourth ( 4 )?
– although, I like the #.
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Only because Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux exist.
that old Boston Garden use to rock….beer use to run down the steps inside that old building and the cigarette and cigar smoke filled the place
comet January 26th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Pru as a chikd I idolized Punch Imlach. So much so that when he was fired I stopped rooting for the Leafs. When the Sabres hired Punch I went along for the ride. The French connection with Gil Perrault was amazing! Perrauly himself wasan amazing wizard with the puck.
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He was a great coach, and he had to put up with Harold. He was a tough customer. Gil Perreault was doing Denis Savard like things before Denis.
The French Connection was a blast to watch.
comet!
Life goes on.
I liked Andy Bathgate, but Mr. Hockey was the best that ever was, with Rocket and Orr close behind. And I liked Gump Worsley and Jaque Plante, too.
joeman, the old Garden was the best place to watch a game. I was there the lights went out, right after Craig Simpson scored, in 1988. Was there to see the Oilers clinch with Bill Ranford as MVP in ’90. Also was there for Kevin Stevens’ four-goal game and saw the greatest goal probably I’ve ever seen: Lemieux’s when he deliberately put the puck between Bourque’s skates and then picked it out and went down and scored on Moog.
Alfred, since the ” real ” players were allowed to contest the drug infested Olympics, Sweden vs Russia 1-0; what does that say beyond the fact Russia is no longer Russia?
Canada 2 but needs a new goalie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOd2TYop38
Lemieux contra Bourque: although it doesn’t do the live version justice.
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
joeman, the old Garden was the best place to watch a game. I was there the lights went out, right after Craig Simpson scored, in 1988. Was there to see the Oilers clinch with Bill Ranford as MVP in ’90. Also was there for Kevin Stevens’ four-goal game and saw the greatest goal probably I’ve ever seen: Lemieux’s when he deliberately put the puck between Bourque’s skates and then picked it out and went down and scored on Moog.
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thats some stuff right there…nice
Gordie Howe, yes. But if u had one chance healthy, Orr it is.
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Alfred, Canada put a team together in 2 weeks and beat those Red army freaks. Go, Ayn Rand!!!!
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I’ll be nice and not remind you of the Clarke-Kharlomov stigma
Joe, smoke in the place, we need more of that, mon ami!
Alfred, do you want me to bring up the East German refs?
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Joe, smoke in the place, we need more of that, mon ami!
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lol
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOd2TYop38
Lemieux contra Bourque: although it doesn’t do the live version justice.
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Ray was screwed from the get on that
On this hockey stuff, haven’t really been interested since they expanded from 8 teams. Worst run sport ever.
Speaking of Bourgue his son (Chris) is doing a nice job with the Bruins
Tom I’ve always thought Gordie was the best that ever played. He did it all. Many fond memories of the 1960′s Leafs.
The owners sure took advantage of the players then. Bathgate was very, very good player.
Tom, you’re probably right, but you gotta’ admit, the WHL had its moments.( I went to a few Toro games with Henderson and the big …………..M, along with big Vaclav Nedemensky or how ever you spell those ridiculous names.) – I got an autograph from, Jim Dorey.
safe to say Arod didn’t have a nice last couple of days…
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Alfred, do you want me to bring up the East German refs?
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Haha, you’ve had your “advantages” as well – let’s see, I was at the ’94 World Juniors and watched the Czech team face three straight 5-on-3s against in Alberta. Oh by jingo!
I’ve been watching hockey videos for the last 15 minutes…
For all his money, I’m glad I’m not in Rod’s shoes.
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Alfred, do you want me to bring up the East German refs?
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Haha, you’ve had your “advantages” as well – let’s see, I was at the ’94 World Juniors and watched the Czech team face three straight 5-on-3s against in Alberta. Oh by jingo!
I’ve been watching hockey videos for the last 15 minutes…
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I start watching hockey fights and it’s like a drug…my wife walks by and says wtf
Alfred, don’t overdose
– give it up for Orr.
will never get Arod #’s again and it’s a shame….although the bottom had to fall out sonner or later just didn’t think it would happen…can I say this quick
Racking my brain for the guys who gave the Rangers fits back in the day: Stan Mikita, Espo, Orr, the guy with the big slap shot from Chicago, the Rocket, the Pocket Rocket (before we got him), Belleveau (sp?), and a lot of others. Fun back then, not so much today.
Back in, ’72 at la Summit Series, the Russians claimed victory due to the fact they scored one more goal in the entire thing. Fact remains, Canada won four to the Russian’s 3 with 1 tie thrown in.
http://openvault.wgbh.org/cata.....rk-rangers
Hey jmills,
You’ll like their idea here of who the second greatest skill player is. It’s a countdown, so you’ll have to be patient
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXemlGWOH6k
joeman, I’m not a fan of the fighting, but it is pretty cool when a great player who has all the skill in the world just says “eff it” once he’s fed up, drops the gloves and drills some poor goon or agitator.
Guys like that of course don’t tend to get bothered much after that.
Joeman, that thing about Espo is funfantastique!
There is not an athlete, in any sport, whom I have despised more than Phil Esposito.
jmills,
Speaking of the Rocket (Maurice, not the Pocket), that great little video of yours has spread like wild fire on my watch. I sent it to someone, who sent it to someone, who sent it to someone… what a great little cult animation that is… everyone loved it. Thanks again.
jmills January 26th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Joeman, that thing about Espo is funfantastique!
J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
There is not an athlete, in any sport, whom I have despised more than Phil Esposito.
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not to full of himself
He’s definitely full of something.
AndrewMarchand MLB investigating South Florida area in PED war espn.go.com/espn/otl/story…
Sorry I mentioned Espo. Didn’t do the Rangers any good.
“Jeter turning down the option and wanting a multiyear deal would totally screw the Yankees’ plans to get under budget.”
Not necessarily….he’s gonna cost 15.5 million AAV for 2014 if he triggers that option. If he has a good 2013 then it may actually help the budget for him to decline and negotiate a lesser AAV 2 year deal maybe….we will see how it plays out.
Jeter would make more money on a 2/20 deal but the AAV would actually be less for the Yankees…..because it’d be part of a new smaller contract instead of the previous one
Alfred, and she told a friend who told a friend and on and on it goes to expand – glad u liked it!
I knew Alfred had a soft spot for Espo!
Orr rules
You bet, jmills. Quebecois idiosyncratic connection to the game is charming.
I intentionally did not post the latest South Florida Bosch story. I honestly do not want to know.
My good friend in Hamilton ( a forlorn Habs fan ) sent it to me Alfred.
This is Rocket’s funeral. It’s very cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3OyT9hGE-k
What I don’t know is if Jeter were to decline the option then sign a 2/20 deal how that 9 million AAV they’d owe would apply for 2014? Would it add on to the new total making it 2/29 or would it apply only to 2014 meaning they’d owe 19 million for that year in AAV….. I guess we will just have to see how it plays out
Jmills, all I can say is…
Where have you gone, Roger Doucet….
Jean Ratelle
Roger Doucet is la man like Roger Daultry!
Good point, Tom, I like Jean Ratelle a lot too!
That’s a good point Blake. Has any writer brought that up to Hal or Cash?
mills,
Doucet to me was like one of the Habs. He was at the Rocket’s bedside in his last days….
tomingeorgia, Dale Rolfe ruined the Rangers’ Cup chances with that shot in practice…. GAG line was special though.
Harry Howell
Vic Hadfield,… traded for smiling…. Does anyone here remember?
Stemkowski in OT against the Hawks….Does anyone here remember?
I’m oooooldddd!
Good night, folks
Against All Odds says:
January 26, 2013 at 9:40 pm
That’s a good point Blake. Has any writer brought that up to Hal or Cash?
Not sure….guess we have to see how Jeter plays this year….to him it’s 8 million bucks if he plays…problem is to the Yanks it’s 15.5 million.
I’m just not sure how the buy out works if a new contract is done
Give me Bobby Orr and Eddie Belfour and I’ll build from there
Before I go, jmills, you had that backwards:
The Yankees aren’t Les Habitants of baseball…
Les Habs are the Yankees of hockey.
Just thought I’d set you straight….
G’nite.
Camille Henry. Sorry, I have a sequential memory in a random access world.
How could I forget Rod Gilbert?
blake,
No mention of today’s game?
tomingeorgia says:
January 26, 2013 at 9:51 pm
blake,
No mention of today’s game?
Not much to say….young team got beat
Blake,
If Jeter declines the yankees add 9 million to 2014. So the break even point for his new contract is 15.5 – 9 = 6.5 AAV. Any contract over 6.5 AAV hurts the Yankees.
And there is no way Jeter signs a 6.5 AAV contract because he doesnt actually receive the 9 million, thats simply a penalty the Yankees incur. He would only get the buyout amount obviously. They desperately need Jeter to accept his option.
JF,
Thanks…I wasn’t sure how that worked…. Problem for the Yanks is that he gets 8 million not 15.5 so if has a good season in 2013 then there is a decent chance he opts out of that…..
Yea it really sucks for them. There was really no reason to construct the contract as they did. The player option gave them some marginal help with the luxury tax for the last 2 seasons but the almost guaranteed penalty hit hurts them 1000 x more.
blake January 26th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Against All Odds says:
January 26, 2013 at 9:40 pm
That’s a good point Blake. Has any writer brought that up to Hal or Cash?
Not sure….guess we have to see how Jeter plays this year….to him it’s 8 million bucks if he plays…problem is to the Yanks it’s 15.5 million.
I’m just not sure how the buy out works if a new contract is done
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Things were a lot easier when the Yankees would spend without giving it a thought
I guess maybe they weren’t thinking in AAV quite as much when they did the contract as they are now….I mean they still had the luxury tax but they didnt seem to prioritize avoiding like they are with the new CBA…..it is unfortunate. I doubt Jeter cares much about the AAV….all he cares about is that he will make 8 million in 2014 and that he may be able to get more than that
It’s 9.5 player option in 2014 now because of his silver slugger.
Tom if you are wondering who the guy from Chicago was with the slapshot think Bobby Hull!
A whole group of people being linked to PEDS again and only A-Rod’s name gets leaked again.
jacksquat says:
January 27, 2013 at 12:29 am
It’s 9.5 player option in 2014 now because of his silver slugger.
True but I’m not sure that’ll make a lot of difference if he has a good year and decides he wants to play 2 or 3 more
Let’s see how Hal/Cash treat Jeter. It will certainly be a gauge to their true colors.
Are they dumb enough to diss him again?
It would be akin to a mutiNY by the fans this time.
I hope he asks for the moon,he’s reasonable, and knows his worth better than they do…
“Are they dumb enough to diss him again?”
Possibly but let’s hope not.
the Rays have had seven minor leaguers in the past year suspended for PEDs………why is MLB not investigating the Rays?………If it were the Yanks, I think they would be all over it…..
Jeter is one the few constants in a Sea of change.
Has anyone seen “Trouble with the curve” ?
Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it.
It highlighted something we frequently get into here.
The battle over the value of experience vs. the numbers in Scouting.
In this case, experience won out.
Chip January 26th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Having Jeter turn down the option, creating an offseason distraction of whether the Yankees should re-sign their most iconic player of the past two decades.
Jeter turning down the option and wanting a multiyear deal would totally screw the Yankees’ plans to get under budget.
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I’m teetering between wanting this to happen (because it would mean Jeter had a solid season and I’d sort of love to see how the front office handles it) and not wanting this to happen.
I also saw Levine contradict Cash man yesterday…. watching the FO is starting to get way more interesting than watching whatever they do with the team.
I need JF to help me out on this, but could they extend the Jeter deal as opposed to him opting out? I know it doesn’t fall within team (completely outdated) policy… but if they extend him for 2 more years, could they pay him what he was owed in 2014 (according to the initial contract) and then increase the value of the AAV beyond that? Or do they have to completely restructure the deal (as in the AAV for 2014-16 would now change?)?
GregD says:
January 27, 2013 at 7:37 am
the Rays have had seven minor leaguers in the past year suspended for PEDs………why is MLB not investigating the Rays?………If it were the Yanks, I think they would be all over it…..
Cause Arod is a bigger story…. It’s a joke
Shame,
That’s a good question….I think that because the player option is considered guaranteed money though there has to be a yes or no answer to it….so if Jeter declined it now to restructure a new contract I think the 9 million would still apply…..not sure there is a way around it….JF or someone else probably could answer better but I don’t think super computers named Patrick are up at 8:00 on Sunday morning
I think bottom line is that when the Yanks did Jeters contract they were still more concerned with actual dollars than AAV….that’s kinda flipped now with the new CBA and it sucks
blake – I’m trying to think of ways where he doesn’t need to reject the player option and can still extend the deal….? It might need to be a two transaction type thing where they tell him ‘okay pick up the option and then well get another 2 year extension on there for more dollars.’
No matter what, it’s hard to see any of this helping the Yankees fiscal goals.
….I’ve summoned JF before…. it was like magic.
I haven’t seen trouble with the curve yet….heard very mixed reviews from folks….people seem to either love it or hate it
Shame,
I think summoning JF only works after like noon
blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:09 am
I think bottom line is that when the Yanks did Jeters contract they were still more concerned with actual dollars than AAV….that’s kinda flipped now with the new CBA and it sucks
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It’s almost like they didn’t know what they were doing….
In the 2011 off season, they already knew about the new CBA didn’t they??
I saw Trouble with the Curve.. I like Amy Adams a lot and her chemistry with Clint was good. I didn’t love the movie that much though. It was okay, but it wasn’t one of my favorites. Clint is starting to get like Pacino where they just play the same character in different settings.
I think if I mention Game of Thrones JF will show………
I mean if the Yankees went to Jeter right now and offered to tear up his old contract and do a new one for say 3/30 then maybe that would avoid the option issue….because the old contract would be gone?
I don’t know the specific rules…..they could front load a new deal and pay him like 15 million in 2013 then 8 in 2014 and 7 in 2015. Jeter gets an additional year under contract and the AAV reduces to 10 for 2014.
I don’t know if that’s allowed or if Jeter would do that
“In the 2011 off season, they already knew about the new CBA didn’t they??”
Nah it wasn’t done til 2012
Blake-
I can see that because it does highlight an old baseball argument. And i resolved in a way many would not like.
I found it moving combining both human interest as well as pure baseball.
Clint plays an “old school” Braves scout.
Recommend you see it if you get a chance.
edit: it resolved
The thing is, Jeter would be the one doing them a favor here lol…. assuming he thinks he can get back into playing shape (and I have no reason to think he believes otherwise).
After how the last negotiations went.. I dunno that he’d be so willing to try to work out a deal that favors the Yanks.
I think both sides have something to gain by waiting and seeing how this year plays out, but it could be a lot more detrimental to the Yankees if Jeter is one of the best hitters on our team this year.
My idea is to not tear up the old contract.. but to get him to play this one out and basically extend him next off season. I think when you do an extension the AAV adjusts. In this case, I dunno if it adjusts AND costs the Yankees that extra $9 million. That’s the problem.
The Yankees will certainly play hard ball again with Jeter. It is the same cast of characters in the front office. This will be the last year of Pettitte and Mo. They are way too costly. One last hoorah would have been nice, but the budget has left significant holes.
Cashman’s concept of filing them at the TD is foolishness and fantasy. First, they don’t do that. Second, they could be sellers.
blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:19 am
“In the 2011 off season, they already knew about the new CBA didn’t they??”
Nah it wasn’t done til 2012
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Eff. Well, at least I can’t blame them for that lol.
“In this case, I dunno if it adjusts AND costs the Yankees that extra $9 million. That’s the problem.”
Yea I think it does and that’s the issue
MTU.
Yea I wanna see it…prob rent it one night
In 2011 the Yankees knew there would be a new CBA with a new cap, new penalties and the cap determined by AAV, wouldn’t they? I don’t see what critical fact they didn’t know a couple years ago.
austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 8:25 am
The Yankees will certainly play hard ball again with Jeter. It is the same cast of characters in the front office. This will be the last year of Pettitte and Mo. They are way too costly. One last hoorah would have been nice, but the budget has left significant holes.
Cashman’s concept of filing them at the TD is foolishness and fantasy. First, they don’t do that. Second, they could be sellers.
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If GLove’s source is to be believed, not all of the front office was happy with how Cashman handled those negotiations.
I still can’t believe Levine came out and contradicted Cashman over what was really a pretty innocuous statement about Arod.
Cashman never does anything at the deadline unless its just a salary dump maneuver like Ichiro….he says every year that he has until July to address issues but when the trade deadline comes he always goes into “the prices make me wanna cry mode”…..which may be understandable….but he shouldn’t be fooling himself and the fans into thinking that they can get something in the summer without overpaying….you almost always over pay at the deadline because there is a time limit and because teams are more desperate
I think the issue with Jeter is about trust. Does he still trust the Yankees to do right by him if they aren’t contractually committed to do so after the last negotiations.
My guess is that he doesn’t.
“In 2011 the Yankees knew there would be a new CBA with a new cap, new penalties and the cap determined by AAV, wouldn’t they? I don’t see what critical fact they didn’t know a couple years ago.”
I have made a similar point before. The Yankees didn’t have to know the exact contours of a new CBA. The trend has been increasingly onerous provisions directed almost entirely at them. They weren’t blind-sided.
is it that early in the season Jeter could DH and Nunez or whoever play SS
NYYanksFan January 27th, 2013 at 2:29 am
A whole group of people being linked to PEDS again and only A-Rod’s name gets leaked again.
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Arod is just one of those players that has a target on his back at all times
When you disrespect Jeter you disrespect the Face of the NYY and a living legend.
You really shouldn’t be doing that IMO.
no matter what Arod happens to do he’s always the one that is pointed at, shouldn’t be that way but it is
“I have made a similar point before. The Yankees didn’t have to know the exact contours of a new CBA. The trend has been increasingly onerous provisions directed almost entirely at them. They weren’t blind-sided.”
True…every CBA gets tougher on the Yankees…
MTU January 27th, 2013 at 8:40 am
When you disrespect Jeter you disrespect the Face of the NYY and a living legend.
You really shouldn’t be doing that IMO.
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jeter has the right to do whatever he feels that is best for him in baseball
Joeman-
I like to see a guy like Jeter own a piece of the Yankees someday.
Not some bloodless Zombie, or corporate entity.
Someone who has played the game at a high level, know what it takes to win, and loves the game.
OTOH Beancounters are a dime a dozen.
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Hal will see Jeter’s next contract as an issue to get under the cap. In the last negotiations, before they went draconian, they squeezed him. Now, they are incentivized much more.
Next winter is going to be ugly on so many levels. But, we’ll have Alex, his hips, his contract and its aftermath.
“Hal will see Jeter’s next contract as an issue to get under the cap. In the last negotiations, before they went draconian, they squeezed him. Now, they are incentivized much more.”
I’m not sure I agree, but it’s possible. If so, this would be another reason why Hal may be able to find a way to shrink a cash cow.
question..did Youkilis and Suzuki sign 2 year contracts
and who can leave the Yankees next year