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Best case, worst case: Shortstop

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 26, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This one is kind of difficult, mostly because I’m not entirely sure how far to go. Which extremes are plausible?

Best-case scenario
Past, present, future
Derek Jeter says he’ll be fine. His ankle has healed, he’s out of the walking boot and there’s plenty of time to get ready for Opening Day. If he’s right, and he’s legitimately 100 percent on April 1, then just maybe he can repeat last season. If you’re going to shoot for the moon, dream of a return to his 2009 form, but to me that seems a little too far out of reach. If Jeter is healthy on Opening Day, mobile enough to play his brand of reliable, by-the-book defense, and able to give the Yankees a steady on-base presence at the top of the order, that’s the most the Yankees could possibly ask for. This is Jeter we’re talking about, so maybe he’s got another surprise up his sleeve, but a repeat of 2012 is a pretty good best-case scenario.

Part of that best-case scenario might involve keeping Jeter off the field from time to time to keep his legs strong and his body healthy. For that to work, the Yankees are going to need some impact from Eduardo Nunez. Sure, Jayson Nix can do the job, but the best-case scenario has Nunez getting regular starts in the field against lefties. It would allow Jeter to rest and give Nunez a chance to take the necessary steps forward defensively. If Nunez can finally add consistency to his considerable tools, the Yankees just might be able to get one or two more years out of Jeter while also preparing for his inevitable retirement.

For the system to add depth at the position, the team is going to need results from Cito Culver and Austin Aune. The Yankees have said Culver’s at-bats have been better than his results, and if he can finally put up some offensive numbers to go with his steady glove, the Yankees will have a legitimate young shortstop prospect on the rise. Coming up right behind him, Aune is going to have to do the opposite in his first full professional season. There are fewer concerns about Aune’s bat, and if he can prove himself as a viable defensive option at shortstop, the Yankees could begin to build real depth and long-term possibilities at the position.

Worst-case scenario
Wanted: One big league shortstop
If Jeter is wrong — if he doesn’t have time to get ready for Opening Day, if all this missed time has finally left his range too limited for even his steady hands to handle the shortstop position — the Yankees will have to find an immediate solution at the position. Their first choice would almost certainly be Nunez, with hopes that steady playing time will lead to steady results. And if they’re wrong about that as well — if Nunez makes familiar errors and leaves the team with a familiar decision to banish him to Triple-A – the Yankees could fall back on Nix to be their regular shortstop. Either that, or they’ll have to go shopping for a replacement.

Shopping for a new shortstop would have ramifications beyond 2013 because, if the Yankees don’t have a dependable option this year, it means they don’t have a dependable option beyond this year either. That means spending some of their limited 2014 payroll on a shortstop, all while also either A: Paying Jeter for his 2014 player option or B: Having Jeter turn down the option, creating an offseason distraction of whether the Yankees should re-sign their most iconic player of the past two decades.

And it goes without saying that the worst-case scenario also leaves the Yankees without a long-term shortstop solution. In the lowest levels of the minors, Culver’s bat might once again stall at roughly a .215 average with extremely limited power, and Aune’s glove might prove too limited for the infield. If Jeter can’t play, Nunez can’t field, Culver can’t hit, and Aune can’t stick, the Yankees will have a organizational black hole at the position that’s been as steady as any since Jeter first arrived.

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183 Responses to “Best case, worst case: Shortstop”

  1. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Here it is, Saturday night, and the hockey know it alls have burned their bridges in my books. So what if u win gold Sidney? How ‘cum you make more than that paediatric heart surgeon. Its an incetuous affair with the local yahoo announcers dumbly shouting, ” Go leafs, go! ” – anybody got a thousand bucks for a ticket?

  2. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Sorry, ” incestuous.” – Sting just corrected moi.

  3. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
    Here it is, Saturday night, and the hockey know it alls have burned their bridges in my books. So what if u win gold Sidney? How ‘cum you make more than that paediatric heart surgeon. Its an incetuous affair with the local yahoo announcers dumbly shouting, ” Go leafs, go! ” – anybody got a thousand bucks for a ticket?

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    whats really good about hockey this year is that it’s a sprint to the playoffs..every game is important

  4. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Go Big Bad Bruins…

  5. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Hi Joe, even my Habs friend can’t get excited; we’re not downers naturally, but just pissed with the whole scene. I’ve told it prior, Marcel Dionne thinks the present players are dicks.

  6. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    My daughter got me a beautiful authenticated signed pic of Orr for Xmas – perfect being that she is.

  7. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax January 26th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    YankeesWFAN Talking Yankees, Mets and more with Ed Coleman Sunday in WFAN 3-6pm. Only two weeks until pitchers & catchers.

    *******

    Cool – season is right around the corner then – and then Occupy Lohud can begin against the 1% complainers/elitists – - – - -

  8. comnsnse January 26th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Gee whiz,I thought the Cashman drafting geniuses were certain that Cito Culver was the “guy”! Where is the hockey blog?

  9. austinmac January 26th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    We are ready for you. Logic defeats blind faith.

  10. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Regarding athletics, I do think colleges should be taking care of their players financially, especially where it concerns concussions etc.. These kids are put thru the meat grinder with, I ponder, precious time for relevant studies.

  11. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
    Hi Joe, even my Habs friend can’t get excited; we’re not downers naturally, but just pissed with the whole scene. I’ve told it prior, Marcel Dionne thinks the present players are dicks.

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    watching a lot of games in the US rinks the stands are full and seems to be a lot of noise

  12. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    I became a Bruins fan in 1972….watch Bruins games out of Springfield Ma…way before NESN

  13. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Joe, I watched the Miracle on ice, it was something else. Even the Canadian amateurs gave it a good go vs the Russian stoic machine and had an early lead before failing.

  14. Against All Odds January 26th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    comnsnse January 26th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
    Gee whiz,I thought the Cashman drafting geniuses were certain that Cito Culver was the

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    That was such an over reach smh

  15. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Joe, because of Bobby, I think a part of all of us are Bruin fans. He gave his last great hockey free to plot vs the Russians in ’76 ( MVP of the series )- he played ten more games for the Hawks and scored twice.

  16. Against All Odds January 26th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Stoneburner – The Return of Wax January 26th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    YankeesWFAN Talking Yankees, Mets and more with Ed Coleman Sunday in WFAN 3-6pm. Only two weeks until pitchers & catchers.

    *******

    Cool – season is right around the corner then – and then Occupy Lohud can begin against the 1% complainers/elitists – – – –

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    I thought you were going to be on your best behavior from hear on out.

  17. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Bobby Orr could teach everybody how to have a real baseball classic with nobody being afraid their arm is going to fall off.

  18. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Hi Against, sorry ( not really ) about the Phil Collins bugging, but, u picked a good one there.

  19. comet January 26th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    J Mills would rather the owners had all the loot? If the players don’t make good salaries the owners maker ever bigger prodits!

  20. Against All Odds January 26th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    here on out**

  21. comet January 26th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    What does SMH stand for?

  22. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Comet, hi; I don’t blame the players for what’s put in front of them, but, the #’s are insanity.

  23. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Shake my Head – I think against taught me that one.

  24. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Joe, because of Bobby, I think a part of all of us are Bruin fans
    ///

    No, sir! :D Nevernevernevernever.

  25. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    Alfred, you’re a closet Bobby fan from way back ! :D

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    jmills, I’ll give him this: he’s the third best player overall I’ve ever seen.

  27. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Alfred, Wayne needed a goon beside him – Orr had to fend for himself.

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    comet, do you root for the Leafs?

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Mr. Mills, when did anyone ever actually get a piece of Wayne? :)

  30. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Joe, because of Bobby, I think a part of all of us are Bruin fans
    ///

    No, sir! Nevernevernevernever.

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    it’s all true

  31. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Orr was on half a knee from the get go, and still they said, ” he should’ve had a puck of his own. “

  32. Tar January 26th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    ‘Cool – season is right around the corner then – and then Occupy Lohud can begin against the 1% complainers/elitists – –”

    Don’t let the proverbial blog door hit ya. Back to your trolling ways I see.

  33. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    Alfred, that prick, Suter, in the ’91 Canada Cup.

  34. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    back in the 70′s in Boston Derek Michael Sanderson was who everyone wanted to rub elbows with

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Orr was on half a knee from the get go, and still they said, ” he should’ve had a puck of his own. “
    ///

    I agree. Being No. 3 is pretty high in the hierarchy – I’ve seen a lot of hockey players come and go in my time.

    The thing about Gretzky and Lemieux is, they were prolific to a supernatural level – and were also great sharers of the puck, and it would always find them again. :)

    There’s no “No 2″ in my book; two No. 1s and Orr, 3rd. The rest of the field is far, far away.

  36. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    At one time, Turk, was making more than Pele.

    Alfred, you’re out of your friggin’ mind! :)

  37. Chip January 26th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Having Jeter turn down the option, creating an offseason distraction of whether the Yankees should re-sign their most iconic player of the past two decades.

    Jeter turning down the option and wanting a multiyear deal would totally screw the Yankees’ plans to get under budget.

  38. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Alfred, I win the discussion, coz Fergie Jenkins had six straight 20 plus seasons.

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Yea, Suter, and McCreary and Rich Pilon. You can count them on one hand. Gretzky had a way of not just eluding hits, but of bending himself around you like Gumby and still retaining the puck. He’d do that one legged thing with the free leg, and dish the puck and then become the trailer. I remember Philly fans in ’85 and ’87 in the Cup finals those years screaming for the Flyers to hit Gretzky. Mark Howe came out in the Inquirer during the series and said “We’re trying….what people don’t realize is, it’s very hard to line this guy up.” They finally got the memo and tried to take away space instead, but that didn’t work, either – with Kurri and Tikkanen lurking, and Ruotsalainen and Coffey moving up from behind.

    My brother was working down in south NJ at the time, close to Philly, in the prosecutor’s office. A colleague complained that the Oilers only had one player: Wayne Gretzky (Flyer fans have got to be the least league-savvy fans in the NHL). My brother told him: “Al – they’ve got like six guys better than your best player.”

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    joeman January 26th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    back in the 70?s in Boston Derek Michael Sanderson was who everyone wanted to rub elbows with
    ///

    He was a great penalty killer. Scored a lot of short-handed goals. He and RSod Gilbert used to carouse whenever the Bruins came into New York. Legend has it they faked a fight just to discuss what night spots they were going to hit after the game.

  41. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    ” Al, they’ve got like six players better than your best player. ” – hilarious

  42. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Rod Gilbert? – I have his O-Pee Chee cards too!

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Jmills,

    Howe was their best player, and he was a good one, but Gretzky, Kurri, Messier, Anderson, Ruotsalainen, Coffey and Fuhr were indeed better :D .

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Rodrique Gabriel Gilbert to you! :D

  45. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
    joeman January 26th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    back in the 70?s in Boston Derek Michael Sanderson was who everyone wanted to rub elbows with
    ///

    He was a great penalty killer. Scored a lot of short-handed goals. He and RSod Gilbert used to carouse whenever the Bruins came into New York. Legend has it they faked a fight just to discuss what night spots they were going to hit after the game.
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    didnt him and joe willie plus another own a bar together

  46. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    ….Sorry, I’ll just discuss Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel instead.

  47. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Sanderson did a lot of TV forr the Bruins but I think he had some kind of problem with a substance thus they let him go

  48. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Joe Nameth and Derek did somewhat work together combined with alcohol.

  49. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
    Joe Nameth and Derek did somewhat work together combined with alcohol.

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    jmills you from Boston

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    didnt him and joe willie plus another own a bar together
    //

    joeman, not sure about that. Maybe. I thought Gilbert had a steakhouse at one point. As for Namath and The Turk partnering, haven’t heard that one.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Joe Willie White Shoes and Sanderson had a similar public profile.

    Hey – just came to me: “Bachelors Three” or something?

  52. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Sanderson was in the public eye enough that it has been reported New York Yankees’ shortstop Derek Sanderson Jeter was named after him. This has, however, been denied by Jeter himself in an interview on MLB.com.[12] Derek Jeter’s father’s first name is Sanderson; as a result, this is more likely to be source of his middle name. Sanderson would help the Bruins finish first in the league for the next two seasons, which included a Stanley Cup victory in 1971-72 against the New York Rangers.[13

  53. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
    Joe Willie White Shoes and Sanderson had a similar public profile.

    Hey – just came to me: “Bachelors Three” or something?

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    yes thats it

  54. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Joe, no, I was born on the Scarborough bloughs in Toronto – ’66 ( the year the Doors were assuming dominance )

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    joeman, I didn’t realize Sanderson was in on that place. Who’s the third bachelor? Gilbert?

  56. blake January 26th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    This post kinda goes back to the SS org depth post.

    Derek Jeter

    Crickets……

  57. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Meanwhile, in a distraction from his hockey career, along with New England Patriots receiver Jim Colclough, and the New York Jets star football quarterback Joe Namath, Sanderson opened “Bachelors III”, a trendy nightclub on New York City’s Upper East Side. Negative publicity over some of the clubs less than reputable patrons led to problems and eventually Sanderson had to get out of what went from a “goldmine” to a money-losing venture.[17] This would start a downward spiral in which Sanderson would bounce from team to team, never being able to stay with a team for more than two full seasons because mainly of his addiction to alcohol

  58. comet January 26th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Pru I do very casually root for the Leafs. My yankees long ago replaced the Leafs in my heart.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Yeah, I always thought that was weird until I found out the father’s link to that name. Derek, after all, grew up in Michigan – not Boston.

    His mother, though, is supposed to be a hockey freak, I think.

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    comet, you have my sympathies :D . I did enjoy all those crazy Harold Ballard stories through the years, though. And you had those great Davey Keon days :D . I told jmills, somewhere in this 100-year old house of ours, a copy of Punch Imlach’s “Hockey is a Battle,” is collecting dust :D .

  61. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    looks like Sinatara and his posse were there often

  62. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    joeman, good call.

  63. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    sinatra

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    and now we apparently have no hope of signing the Diaz kid, because he’s actually 21 or something….

  65. comet January 26th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Pru i think you suffer from oileritis. Maurice Richard may have been the best to play the game. If not him then Howe. Bobby Orr would come 3rd or fourth. How about Jaques Plante as goalie?

  66. tomingeorgia January 26th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Tar and blake,
    My condolences. Not really.

  67. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Derek Sanderson is related to Derek Jeter.

  68. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    with wikipedia you can’t hide anymore

  69. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    I also have Anatoli Tarasov’s “How to Win the Olympics,” which makes Mr. Mills frown :( :)

  70. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
    Yeah, I always thought that was weird until I found out the father’s link to that name. Derek, after all, grew up in Michigan – not Boston.

    His mother, though, is supposed to be a hockey freak, I think.

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    crazy stuff

  71. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Why is Bobby Orr constantly coming third or fourth ( 4 )? :) – although, I like the #.

  72. comet January 26th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Pru as a chikd I idolized Punch Imlach. So much so that when he was fired I stopped rooting for the Leafs. When the Sabres hired Punch I went along for the ride. The French connection with Gil Perrault was amazing! Perrauly himself wasan amazing wizard with the puck.

  73. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Alfred, Canada put a team together in 2 weeks and beat those Red army freaks. Go, Ayn Rand!!!!

  74. comet January 26th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Hey how is life today? Good to see you here!

  75. comet January 26th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Hey TOM how is life today? Good to see you here!

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Why is Bobby Orr constantly coming third or fourth ( 4 )? :) – although, I like the #.
    ///

    Only because Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux exist.

  77. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    that old Boston Garden use to rock….beer use to run down the steps inside that old building and the cigarette and cigar smoke filled the place

  78. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    comet January 26th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Pru as a chikd I idolized Punch Imlach. So much so that when he was fired I stopped rooting for the Leafs. When the Sabres hired Punch I went along for the ride. The French connection with Gil Perrault was amazing! Perrauly himself wasan amazing wizard with the puck.
    ///

    He was a great coach, and he had to put up with Harold. He was a tough customer. Gil Perreault was doing Denis Savard like things before Denis. :D The French Connection was a blast to watch.

  79. tomingeorgia January 26th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    comet!

    Life goes on.

    I liked Andy Bathgate, but Mr. Hockey was the best that ever was, with Rocket and Orr close behind. And I liked Gump Worsley and Jaque Plante, too.

  80. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    joeman, the old Garden was the best place to watch a game. I was there the lights went out, right after Craig Simpson scored, in 1988. Was there to see the Oilers clinch with Bill Ranford as MVP in ’90. Also was there for Kevin Stevens’ four-goal game and saw the greatest goal probably I’ve ever seen: Lemieux’s when he deliberately put the puck between Bourque’s skates and then picked it out and went down and scored on Moog.

  81. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    Alfred, since the ” real ” players were allowed to contest the drug infested Olympics, Sweden vs Russia 1-0; what does that say beyond the fact Russia is no longer Russia? :) Canada 2 but needs a new goalie.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOd2TYop38

    Lemieux contra Bourque: although it doesn’t do the live version justice.

  83. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
    joeman, the old Garden was the best place to watch a game. I was there the lights went out, right after Craig Simpson scored, in 1988. Was there to see the Oilers clinch with Bill Ranford as MVP in ’90. Also was there for Kevin Stevens’ four-goal game and saw the greatest goal probably I’ve ever seen: Lemieux’s when he deliberately put the puck between Bourque’s skates and then picked it out and went down and scored on Moog.

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    thats some stuff right there…nice

  84. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Gordie Howe, yes. But if u had one chance healthy, Orr it is.

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Alfred, Canada put a team together in 2 weeks and beat those Red army freaks. Go, Ayn Rand!!!!
    //

    I’ll be nice and not remind you of the Clarke-Kharlomov stigma :D

  86. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Joe, smoke in the place, we need more of that, mon ami!

  87. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Alfred, do you want me to bring up the East German refs? :D

  88. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
    Joe, smoke in the place, we need more of that, mon ami!

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    lol

  89. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vOd2TYop38

    Lemieux contra Bourque: although it doesn’t do the live version justice.

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    Ray was screwed from the get on that

  90. tomingeorgia January 26th, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    On this hockey stuff, haven’t really been interested since they expanded from 8 teams. Worst run sport ever.

  91. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Speaking of Bourgue his son (Chris) is doing a nice job with the Bruins

  92. comet January 26th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Tom I’ve always thought Gordie was the best that ever played. He did it all. Many fond memories of the 1960′s Leafs.

    The owners sure took advantage of the players then. Bathgate was very, very good player.

  93. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    Tom, you’re probably right, but you gotta’ admit, the WHL had its moments.( I went to a few Toro games with Henderson and the big …………..M, along with big Vaclav Nedemensky or how ever you spell those ridiculous names.) – I got an autograph from, Jim Dorey.

  94. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:45 pm

    safe to say Arod didn’t have a nice last couple of days…

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Alfred, do you want me to bring up the East German refs? :D
    ///

    Haha, you’ve had your “advantages” as well – let’s see, I was at the ’94 World Juniors and watched the Czech team face three straight 5-on-3s against in Alberta. Oh by jingo! ;)

    I’ve been watching hockey videos for the last 15 minutes…

  96. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    For all his money, I’m glad I’m not in Rod’s shoes.

  97. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Alfred, do you want me to bring up the East German refs?
    ///

    Haha, you’ve had your “advantages” as well – let’s see, I was at the ’94 World Juniors and watched the Czech team face three straight 5-on-3s against in Alberta. Oh by jingo!

    I’ve been watching hockey videos for the last 15 minutes…
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    I start watching hockey fights and it’s like a drug…my wife walks by and says wtf

  98. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    Alfred, don’t overdose :) – give it up for Orr.

  99. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    will never get Arod #’s again and it’s a shame….although the bottom had to fall out sonner or later just didn’t think it would happen…can I say this quick

  100. tomingeorgia January 26th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Racking my brain for the guys who gave the Rangers fits back in the day: Stan Mikita, Espo, Orr, the guy with the big slap shot from Chicago, the Rocket, the Pocket Rocket (before we got him), Belleveau (sp?), and a lot of others. Fun back then, not so much today.

  101. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Back in, ’72 at la Summit Series, the Russians claimed victory due to the fact they scored one more goal in the entire thing. Fact remains, Canada won four to the Russian’s 3 with 1 tie thrown in.

  102. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    http://openvault.wgbh.org/cata.....rk-rangers

  103. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    Hey jmills,

    You’ll like their idea here of who the second greatest skill player is. It’s a countdown, so you’ll have to be patient :D .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXemlGWOH6k

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    joeman, I’m not a fan of the fighting, but it is pretty cool when a great player who has all the skill in the world just says “eff it” once he’s fed up, drops the gloves and drills some poor goon or agitator.

    Guys like that of course don’t tend to get bothered much after that.

  105. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Joeman, that thing about Espo is funfantastique!

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    There is not an athlete, in any sport, whom I have despised more than Phil Esposito.

  107. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    jmills,

    Speaking of the Rocket (Maurice, not the Pocket), that great little video of yours has spread like wild fire on my watch. I sent it to someone, who sent it to someone, who sent it to someone… what a great little cult animation that is… everyone loved it. Thanks again.

  108. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    jmills January 26th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
    Joeman, that thing about Espo is funfantastique!

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
    There is not an athlete, in any sport, whom I have despised more than Phil Esposito.

    ———————————————
    not to full of himself

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    He’s definitely full of something.

  110. joeman January 26th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    AndrewMarchand MLB investigating South Florida area in PED war espn.go.com/espn/otl/story…

  111. tomingeorgia January 26th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Sorry I mentioned Espo. Didn’t do the Rangers any good.

  112. blake January 26th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    “Jeter turning down the option and wanting a multiyear deal would totally screw the Yankees’ plans to get under budget.”

    Not necessarily….he’s gonna cost 15.5 million AAV for 2014 if he triggers that option. If he has a good 2013 then it may actually help the budget for him to decline and negotiate a lesser AAV 2 year deal maybe….we will see how it plays out.

    Jeter would make more money on a 2/20 deal but the AAV would actually be less for the Yankees…..because it’d be part of a new smaller contract instead of the previous one

  113. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Alfred, and she told a friend who told a friend and on and on it goes to expand – glad u liked it!

  114. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    I knew Alfred had a soft spot for Espo! :)

    Orr rules

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    You bet, jmills. Quebecois idiosyncratic connection to the game is charming.

  116. yankeefeminista January 26th, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    I intentionally did not post the latest South Florida Bosch story. I honestly do not want to know.

  117. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    My good friend in Hamilton ( a forlorn Habs fan ) sent it to me Alfred.

  118. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    This is Rocket’s funeral. It’s very cool.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3OyT9hGE-k

  119. blake January 26th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    What I don’t know is if Jeter were to decline the option then sign a 2/20 deal how that 9 million AAV they’d owe would apply for 2014? Would it add on to the new total making it 2/29 or would it apply only to 2014 meaning they’d owe 19 million for that year in AAV….. I guess we will just have to see how it plays out

  120. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Jmills, all I can say is…

    Where have you gone, Roger Doucet….

  121. tomingeorgia January 26th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Jean Ratelle

  122. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Roger Doucet is la man like Roger Daultry!

  123. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    Good point, Tom, I like Jean Ratelle a lot too!

  124. Against All Odds January 26th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    That’s a good point Blake. Has any writer brought that up to Hal or Cash?

  125. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    mills,

    Doucet to me was like one of the Habs. He was at the Rocket’s bedside in his last days….

    tomingeorgia, Dale Rolfe ruined the Rangers’ Cup chances with that shot in practice…. GAG line was special though.

  126. tomingeorgia January 26th, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    Harry Howell

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    Vic Hadfield,… traded for smiling…. Does anyone here remember?

    Stemkowski in OT against the Hawks….Does anyone here remember?

    I’m oooooldddd!

    Good night, folks :D

  128. blake January 26th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Against All Odds says:
    January 26, 2013 at 9:40 pm
    That’s a good point Blake. Has any writer brought that up to Hal or Cash?

    Not sure….guess we have to see how Jeter plays this year….to him it’s 8 million bucks if he plays…problem is to the Yanks it’s 15.5 million.

    I’m just not sure how the buy out works if a new contract is done

  129. jmills January 26th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Give me Bobby Orr and Eddie Belfour and I’ll build from there :)

  130. J. Alfred Prufrock January 26th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Before I go, jmills, you had that backwards:

    The Yankees aren’t Les Habitants of baseball…

    Les Habs are the Yankees of hockey.

    Just thought I’d set you straight…. ;)

    G’nite.

  131. tomingeorgia January 26th, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Camille Henry. Sorry, I have a sequential memory in a random access world.

  132. tomingeorgia January 26th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    How could I forget Rod Gilbert?

  133. tomingeorgia January 26th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    blake,
    No mention of today’s game?

  134. blake January 26th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    January 26, 2013 at 9:51 pm
    blake,
    No mention of today’s game?

    Not much to say….young team got beat

  135. Jerkface January 26th, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    Blake,

    If Jeter declines the yankees add 9 million to 2014. So the break even point for his new contract is 15.5 – 9 = 6.5 AAV. Any contract over 6.5 AAV hurts the Yankees.

    And there is no way Jeter signs a 6.5 AAV contract because he doesnt actually receive the 9 million, thats simply a penalty the Yankees incur. He would only get the buyout amount obviously. They desperately need Jeter to accept his option.

  136. blake January 26th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    JF,
    Thanks…I wasn’t sure how that worked…. Problem for the Yanks is that he gets 8 million not 15.5 so if has a good season in 2013 then there is a decent chance he opts out of that…..

  137. Jerkface January 26th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Yea it really sucks for them. There was really no reason to construct the contract as they did. The player option gave them some marginal help with the luxury tax for the last 2 seasons but the almost guaranteed penalty hit hurts them 1000 x more.

  138. Against All Odds January 26th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    blake January 26th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
    Against All Odds says:
    January 26, 2013 at 9:40 pm
    That’s a good point Blake. Has any writer brought that up to Hal or Cash?

    Not sure….guess we have to see how Jeter plays this year….to him it’s 8 million bucks if he plays…problem is to the Yanks it’s 15.5 million.

    I’m just not sure how the buy out works if a new contract is done

    ——————-

    Things were a lot easier when the Yankees would spend without giving it a thought

  139. blake January 26th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    I guess maybe they weren’t thinking in AAV quite as much when they did the contract as they are now….I mean they still had the luxury tax but they didnt seem to prioritize avoiding like they are with the new CBA…..it is unfortunate. I doubt Jeter cares much about the AAV….all he cares about is that he will make 8 million in 2014 and that he may be able to get more than that

  140. jacksquat January 27th, 2013 at 12:29 am

    It’s 9.5 player option in 2014 now because of his silver slugger.

  141. comet January 27th, 2013 at 12:44 am

    Tom if you are wondering who the guy from Chicago was with the slapshot think Bobby Hull!

  142. NYYanksFan January 27th, 2013 at 2:29 am

    A whole group of people being linked to PEDS again and only A-Rod’s name gets leaked again.

  143. blake January 27th, 2013 at 6:45 am

    jacksquat says:
    January 27, 2013 at 12:29 am
    It’s 9.5 player option in 2014 now because of his silver slugger.

    True but I’m not sure that’ll make a lot of difference if he has a good year and decides he wants to play 2 or 3 more

  144. mick January 27th, 2013 at 7:29 am

    Let’s see how Hal/Cash treat Jeter. It will certainly be a gauge to their true colors.
    Are they dumb enough to diss him again?
    It would be akin to a mutiNY by the fans this time.
    I hope he asks for the moon,he’s reasonable, and knows his worth better than they do…

  145. MTU January 27th, 2013 at 7:34 am

    “Are they dumb enough to diss him again?”

    Possibly but let’s hope not.

  146. GregD January 27th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    the Rays have had seven minor leaguers in the past year suspended for PEDs………why is MLB not investigating the Rays?………If it were the Yanks, I think they would be all over it…..

  147. MTU January 27th, 2013 at 7:38 am

    Jeter is one the few constants in a Sea of change.

  148. MTU January 27th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    Has anyone seen “Trouble with the curve” ?

    Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it.

    It highlighted something we frequently get into here.

    The battle over the value of experience vs. the numbers in Scouting.

    In this case, experience won out.

  149. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Chip January 26th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Having Jeter turn down the option, creating an offseason distraction of whether the Yankees should re-sign their most iconic player of the past two decades.

    Jeter turning down the option and wanting a multiyear deal would totally screw the Yankees’ plans to get under budget.

    ———————————–

    I’m teetering between wanting this to happen (because it would mean Jeter had a solid season and I’d sort of love to see how the front office handles it) and not wanting this to happen.

    I also saw Levine contradict Cash man yesterday…. watching the FO is starting to get way more interesting than watching whatever they do with the team.

  150. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    I need JF to help me out on this, but could they extend the Jeter deal as opposed to him opting out? I know it doesn’t fall within team (completely outdated) policy… but if they extend him for 2 more years, could they pay him what he was owed in 2014 (according to the initial contract) and then increase the value of the AAV beyond that? Or do they have to completely restructure the deal (as in the AAV for 2014-16 would now change?)?

  151. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    GregD says:
    January 27, 2013 at 7:37 am
    the Rays have had seven minor leaguers in the past year suspended for PEDs………why is MLB not investigating the Rays?………If it were the Yanks, I think they would be all over it…..

    Cause Arod is a bigger story…. It’s a joke

  152. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:06 am

    Shame,
    That’s a good question….I think that because the player option is considered guaranteed money though there has to be a yes or no answer to it….so if Jeter declined it now to restructure a new contract I think the 9 million would still apply…..not sure there is a way around it….JF or someone else probably could answer better but I don’t think super computers named Patrick are up at 8:00 on Sunday morning

  153. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    I think bottom line is that when the Yanks did Jeters contract they were still more concerned with actual dollars than AAV….that’s kinda flipped now with the new CBA and it sucks

  154. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 8:10 am

    blake – I’m trying to think of ways where he doesn’t need to reject the player option and can still extend the deal….? It might need to be a two transaction type thing where they tell him ‘okay pick up the option and then well get another 2 year extension on there for more dollars.’

    No matter what, it’s hard to see any of this helping the Yankees fiscal goals.

    ….I’ve summoned JF before…. it was like magic.

  155. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    I haven’t seen trouble with the curve yet….heard very mixed reviews from folks….people seem to either love it or hate it

  156. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:11 am

    Shame,

    I think summoning JF only works after like noon

  157. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:09 am

    I think bottom line is that when the Yanks did Jeters contract they were still more concerned with actual dollars than AAV….that’s kinda flipped now with the new CBA and it sucks

    ————————–

    It’s almost like they didn’t know what they were doing….

    In the 2011 off season, they already knew about the new CBA didn’t they??

  158. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    I saw Trouble with the Curve.. I like Amy Adams a lot and her chemistry with Clint was good. I didn’t love the movie that much though. It was okay, but it wasn’t one of my favorites. Clint is starting to get like Pacino where they just play the same character in different settings.

    I think if I mention Game of Thrones JF will show………

  159. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    I mean if the Yankees went to Jeter right now and offered to tear up his old contract and do a new one for say 3/30 then maybe that would avoid the option issue….because the old contract would be gone?

    I don’t know the specific rules…..they could front load a new deal and pay him like 15 million in 2013 then 8 in 2014 and 7 in 2015. Jeter gets an additional year under contract and the AAV reduces to 10 for 2014.

    I don’t know if that’s allowed or if Jeter would do that

  160. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    “In the 2011 off season, they already knew about the new CBA didn’t they??”

    Nah it wasn’t done til 2012

  161. MTU January 27th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Blake-

    I can see that because it does highlight an old baseball argument. And i resolved in a way many would not like.

    I found it moving combining both human interest as well as pure baseball.

    Clint plays an “old school” Braves scout.

    Recommend you see it if you get a chance.

  162. MTU January 27th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    edit: it resolved

  163. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    The thing is, Jeter would be the one doing them a favor here lol…. assuming he thinks he can get back into playing shape (and I have no reason to think he believes otherwise).

    After how the last negotiations went.. I dunno that he’d be so willing to try to work out a deal that favors the Yanks.

    I think both sides have something to gain by waiting and seeing how this year plays out, but it could be a lot more detrimental to the Yankees if Jeter is one of the best hitters on our team this year.

    My idea is to not tear up the old contract.. but to get him to play this one out and basically extend him next off season. I think when you do an extension the AAV adjusts. In this case, I dunno if it adjusts AND costs the Yankees that extra $9 million. That’s the problem.

  164. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    The Yankees will certainly play hard ball again with Jeter. It is the same cast of characters in the front office. This will be the last year of Pettitte and Mo. They are way too costly. One last hoorah would have been nice, but the budget has left significant holes.

    Cashman’s concept of filing them at the TD is foolishness and fantasy. First, they don’t do that. Second, they could be sellers.

  165. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    “In the 2011 off season, they already knew about the new CBA didn’t they??”

    Nah it wasn’t done til 2012

    —————–

    Eff. Well, at least I can’t blame them for that lol.

  166. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:29 am

    “In this case, I dunno if it adjusts AND costs the Yankees that extra $9 million. That’s the problem.”

    Yea I think it does and that’s the issue

    MTU.

    Yea I wanna see it…prob rent it one night

  167. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    In 2011 the Yankees knew there would be a new CBA with a new cap, new penalties and the cap determined by AAV, wouldn’t they? I don’t see what critical fact they didn’t know a couple years ago.

  168. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 8:25 am

    The Yankees will certainly play hard ball again with Jeter. It is the same cast of characters in the front office. This will be the last year of Pettitte and Mo. They are way too costly. One last hoorah would have been nice, but the budget has left significant holes.

    Cashman’s concept of filing them at the TD is foolishness and fantasy. First, they don’t do that. Second, they could be sellers.

    ——————–

    If GLove’s source is to be believed, not all of the front office was happy with how Cashman handled those negotiations.

    I still can’t believe Levine came out and contradicted Cashman over what was really a pretty innocuous statement about Arod.

  169. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Cashman never does anything at the deadline unless its just a salary dump maneuver like Ichiro….he says every year that he has until July to address issues but when the trade deadline comes he always goes into “the prices make me wanna cry mode”…..which may be understandable….but he shouldn’t be fooling himself and the fans into thinking that they can get something in the summer without overpaying….you almost always over pay at the deadline because there is a time limit and because teams are more desperate

  170. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2013 at 8:33 am

    I think the issue with Jeter is about trust. Does he still trust the Yankees to do right by him if they aren’t contractually committed to do so after the last negotiations.

    My guess is that he doesn’t.

    “In 2011 the Yankees knew there would be a new CBA with a new cap, new penalties and the cap determined by AAV, wouldn’t they? I don’t see what critical fact they didn’t know a couple years ago.”

    I have made a similar point before. The Yankees didn’t have to know the exact contours of a new CBA. The trend has been increasingly onerous provisions directed almost entirely at them. They weren’t blind-sided.

  171. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    is it that early in the season Jeter could DH and Nunez or whoever play SS

  172. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 8:39 am

    NYYanksFan January 27th, 2013 at 2:29 am
    A whole group of people being linked to PEDS again and only A-Rod’s name gets leaked again.

    ———————————————
    Arod is just one of those players that has a target on his back at all times

  173. MTU January 27th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    When you disrespect Jeter you disrespect the Face of the NYY and a living legend.

    You really shouldn’t be doing that IMO.

    ;)

  174. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 8:40 am

    no matter what Arod happens to do he’s always the one that is pointed at, shouldn’t be that way but it is

  175. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:42 am

    “I have made a similar point before. The Yankees didn’t have to know the exact contours of a new CBA. The trend has been increasingly onerous provisions directed almost entirely at them. They weren’t blind-sided.”

    True…every CBA gets tougher on the Yankees…

  176. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    MTU January 27th, 2013 at 8:40 am
    When you disrespect Jeter you disrespect the Face of the NYY and a living legend.

    You really shouldn’t be doing that IMO.

    ——————————————————–
    jeter has the right to do whatever he feels that is best for him in baseball

  177. MTU January 27th, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Joeman-

    I like to see a guy like Jeter own a piece of the Yankees someday.

    Not some bloodless Zombie, or corporate entity.

    Someone who has played the game at a high level, know what it takes to win, and loves the game.

    ;)

  178. MTU January 27th, 2013 at 8:52 am

    OTOH Beancounters are a dime a dozen.

  179. MTU January 27th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    New post —–>

  180. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Hal will see Jeter’s next contract as an issue to get under the cap. In the last negotiations, before they went draconian, they squeezed him. Now, they are incentivized much more.

    Next winter is going to be ugly on so many levels. But, we’ll have Alex, his hips, his contract and its aftermath.

  181. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    “Hal will see Jeter’s next contract as an issue to get under the cap. In the last negotiations, before they went draconian, they squeezed him. Now, they are incentivized much more.”

    I’m not sure I agree, but it’s possible. If so, this would be another reason why Hal may be able to find a way to shrink a cash cow.

  182. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 9:55 am

    question..did Youkilis and Suzuki sign 2 year contracts

  183. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 9:56 am

    and who can leave the Yankees next year


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