Week in review: Jeter’s ankle, Robertson’s contract, Pettitte’s decision
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 27, 2013 
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I feel like I’ve written this before, and it remains perfectly true: I rarely notice uniform numbers. I know that Jeter is No. 2, and Mariano is No. 42, but if you go too far beyond the obvious name-number combinations, I really have to think about it to put the two together.
Further proof that there are endless ways to enjoy this game.
This morning, Vincent wrote all about numbers. Not sabermetrics, but the numbers on the players’ backs, including Shelley Duncan wearing No. 17 when he made his big league debut in 2007. I covered Shelley in the minors that season, and I was paying quite a bit of attention when he got to the big leagues, but there’s no chance I could have told you what number he was wearing. None.
Some baseball fans want to see superstars, and some prefer on-the-rise prospects. Some have legitimate opinions on Class-A utility infielders, and some had never heard of Melky Mesa until he failed to step on third base last season. Some watch games on TV, some listen on radio, and some follow along online while they engage in conversations on forums and blogs (we like those folks!). Some study the game’s history, some worry about the future, and some just like the hats.
Baseball makes room for all types of fans. It’s one of the great things about the game.
Another great thing about the game, at least in my position: Media guides. Thanks to my latest copy, here are some other obscure recent names who wore the numbers Vincent mentioned.
11 – Chris Widger, Morgan Ensberg
17 – Justin Christian, Kevin Cash, Chad Moeller
19 – Chris Basak, Kevin Thompson, Tyler Clippard
22 – Colin Curtis, Chad Huffman, Brian Gordon, Greg Golson
33 – Kelly Stinnett, Brian Bruney
• In an interview with MLB Network, Derek Jeter said he doesn’t expect to start running until spring training, but he still fully expects to be ready for Opening Day. “(The ankle) feels good now,” Jeter said. “Right where I feel it should be.”
• Brian Cashman creating a minor stir when he acknowledged on radio that Alex Rodriguez could miss the entire season if his recovery from hip surgery doesn’t go as expected. Also, the Daily News reported that a Rodriguez associate is being investigated in connection to performance enhancing drugs.
• The Yankees avoided arbitration with Dave Robertson, signing him to a one-year, $3.1-million deal. He was their last arbitration-eligible player without a contract.
• Joe Torre told reporters that there’s still a chance Andy Pettitte will pitch in the World Baseball Classic. According to Torre, Team USA wants Pettitte but the Yankees have expressed some discomfort in letting him play.
• The Yankees agreed to a minor league deal with left-handed first baseman Dan Johnson. He could have a chance to win regular at-bats as a designated hitter. The Yankees also signed right-handed outfielder Thomas Neal to a minor league deal with an invitation to big league camp.
• Speaking of minor leaguers coming to big league camp, Tyler Austin announced in an interview that he’s been invited to big league camp. The Yankees have yet to announce a full list of non-roster invitees.
• Yogi Berra and Joba Chamberlain were each honored at the annual B.A.T. dinner in New York.
• Several potential fits came off the board: Outfielder Justin Upton was traded to the Braves, catcher George Kottaras was claimed by the Royals, outfielder Jeff Baker signed a minor league deal with the Rangers, catcher Yorvit Torrealba signed a minor league deal with the Rockies, outfielder Scott Hairston signed a two-year deal with the Cubs and outfielder Delmon Young signed a one-year deal with the Phillies. Mark DeRosa, Ryan Raburn and Ben Francisco also signed last week.
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will feel a whole lot better watching Jeter on the field in ST running around without a limp & pain free….
Randy L., this is but another example of the difficulty for the writer to post anything resembling something that warrants actual discussion.
The irony for the Yanks is,with a 200+ million dpllar payroll they may not make even the playoffs!
Austerity not only will not work in this case,but will likely degrade the brand thereby reducing the value of same.
“If that Castellanos guy in Detroit pans out and becomes a productive major leaguer that’s going to be a tough one to live down since left side of the IF was a glaring issue with the age of the guys we have.”
Mike Olt was drafted after culver also that year…..it’s hard to be too critical of things like this because the draft is such a crap shoot to some degree….but it’s not 100% a crap shoot. It really hurts that the Yanks need a 3B and RH bat going forward so bad and 2 players they could have drafted have flown through and are close to the bigs.
Nobody bats 1.000 in the draft….but the Yanks have to start getting more of the Castellanos and Olts when they have a chance to
And they have to stop the smartest guy in room/over reach theory.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/l.....#038;rel=0
” Sign of the Gypsy Queen,” – very good rendition by, April Wine.
Well, they did draft Mason Williams in the fourth round of the 2010 draft, and he is looking like a first round talent. Hopefully Gumbs shows his potential this year, too.
I’m curious whether they took City Culver due to signability reasons. He wanted to be a Yankee, and they figured they could sign him on the relative cheap.
Hi, Tucker, great to see you! Everything around here is A #1!!!
The Yankees have to stop making their first round draft pick dependent upon an easy signing like the generally agreed upon reaches for Culver and Bichette. Cole has scared them off high upside, difficult sign guys.
When no one considers a player to be a first round pick, maybe the team should re-think it.
Keith Moon, rules!
Jmills, saw your post on analog vs. digital Rush yesterday … I’m personally fond of the early releases: Fly by Night, Caress of Steel, 2112 … Though, as far as the synthesizer years, Power Windows was a nice effort.
Mac, it will be interesting to see how the Yanks handle the draft next year with the extra picks after letting Swisher and Soriano leave. They will have extra money from those extra picks, even if they don’t sign those picks. Do they use the extra money to pursue a signability prospect or do they play it safe with three guys they know they can sign (their first rounder and the two supplemental first rounders.)
Shame,
Extending Jeter does not work at this point. An extension is essentially a new contract with 1 caveat. You receive credits or debits based on how much luxury tax hit you took vs actual physical payroll under the previous contract.
So in this case, you’d still have to eat the 6 million difference.
I don’t know what the decision making was that led to drafting Cito Culver. First round picks, especially later in that round, are very hit and miss. It’s works like a random process for the people making the decisions.
I do know that the 2011 draft is looking promising so far. You pick up Mason Williams and Tyler Austin in the later rounds, plus Gumbs. That’s damn good. You gotta look at the whole draft board for a given year.
Tucker, hi, Rush tried to orchestrated ( not as good as the Corrs ) with Power Windows – I’m with Alex, let’s get back to power chords!
Make that the 2010 draft. I like it better than the 2011 version so far.
Angus Young is sans comparison.
Caress of Steel is my #1 Rush album of all time, bar none.
2011 draft has a Mark Montgomery, Branden Pinder, and Greg Bird – not bad – - – -
I’m in the process of designing an F1 circuit. It has to have a couple of straight aways in fifth gear along with 2 slow downs like u can’t believe.
I’m hoping/expecting Montgomery to get an invite to spring training in a few weeks. That kid has some skills.
I suppose the moral of this story is anytime you can groom at least one big league regular player from a draft class, regardless where he’s picked, then it’s actually a successful draft.
Joe Torre told reporters that there’s still a chance Andy Pettitte will pitch in the World Baseball Classic. According to Torre, Team USA wants Pettitte but the Yankees have expressed some discomfort in letting him play.
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Joe, keep your hands off our pitchers.
Tucker,
The signing money limit makes it tricky. This is not supposed to be a strong draft so they could go either way. I do like to try for the high upside rather than easy signs. Also, while I understand it is faster to get to the bigs to draft relievers, I think they need infielders and starting pitchers.
Jmills,
You are invited down to the new F1 track in my town. It is a very cool track. It will be interesting to see the other racing uses.
blake January 27th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
“If that Castellanos guy in Detroit pans out and becomes a productive major leaguer that’s going to be a tough one to live down since left side of the IF was a glaring issue with the age of the guys we have.”
Mike Olt was drafted after culver also that year…..it’s hard to be too critical of things like this because the draft is such a crap shoot to some degree….but it’s not 100% a crap shoot. It really hurts that the Yanks need a 3B and RH bat going forward so bad and 2 players they could have drafted have flown through and are close to the bigs.
Nobody bats 1.000 in the draft….but the Yanks have to start getting more of the Castellanos and Olts when they have a chance to
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And they got Mason Williams after both of those guys went, right? That’s a pretty good draft. This is the way things shake out.
I think you can be critical of Culver to some extent, because he was such a dark horse pick. Still, his career is hardly over. We’ll see how it all plays.
Austin, thanks! The, Nordmende radio is working now and again by the way.
Nilsson,
I obviously have no facts, but coupling getting burned by Cole and the pick of Culver, an easy sign, that was universally panned seems to suggest extreme caution.
I don’t pretend any expertise in the draft and I completely agree it is a crapshoot.
Of corse, the crapshoot angle makes it more foolish to lose Granderson, Cano and Hughes for a draft pick, assuming they make them a tender offer.
Very cool about the radio.
The F1 crowd was amazingly upscale. The money of the teams and fan base is astounding. That is particularly true for a town whose motto is to “Keep Austin Weird.”
We r getting an F1 capable track plus a NASCAR appropriate oval in Eerie by ’14.
Ayrton Senna, was , well, Ayrton Senna, but I choose Gilles!!!!!
I didn’t realize I was so patriotic. I have a small Canadian flag in my yard along with a big Irish thing. Next perspicacious is an American #
Stoneburner – The Return of Wax says:
January 27, 2013 at 3:38 pm
2011 draft has a Mark Montgomery, Branden Pinder, and Greg Bird – not bad – – – -
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You think those 3 guys constitutes a good draft?
Jmills,
I didn’t know that about the track. Not surprised.
austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Nilsson,
I obviously have no facts, but coupling getting burned by Cole and the pick of Culver, an easy sign, that was universally panned seems to suggest extreme caution.
I don’t pretend any expertise in the draft and I completely agree it is a crapshoot.
Of corse, the crapshoot angle makes it more foolish to lose Granderson, Cano and Hughes for a draft pick, assuming they make them a tender offer.
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Regarding the Culver selection and why they made it, perhaps they overreached with the pick, not because of extreme caution, but out of desperate need? Culver plays a premium position that’s incredibly lacking in the organization right now. Maybe that had more to do with this pick than the backlash from the Cole episode. Who knows.
There’s also another thing with the draft. There’s always two schools of thought clashing in MLB, hard-nosed statistics vs. old-school scouting. Amateur drafting is one area where you really have to rely on scouting. Perhaps the internal scouting reports liked Culver a lot. Again, there are many reasons for drafting certain players. Often it’s not one thing.
I hope F1 stays in Montreal for Gilles.
“And they got Mason Williams after both of those guys went, right? That’s a pretty good draft. This is the way things shake out.”
Sure…..but when you go off the radar for your top pick and two years later the guy still has a noodle bat it looks like they tried to outsmart the room with that pick and it flopped…..like I said….nobody bats 1.000 in the draft….heck battin .300 in the draft is probably good…..
The issue isn’t drafting Cito Culver, it is where you draft Cito Culver. Especially when that draft was uncapped and not yet under the new draft regulations that really screw the team.
They took safe picks in the first round in all the drafts following Cole’s non-sign. Safe picks were: Guys not universally ranked to go anywhere near that spot who will sign for slot or below.
The yanks went off the board two years in a row with their first picks….Culver and Dante literally were on nobody’s top 100 list going into the draft. That doesn’t mean baseball America etc knows more than the Yankees do of course….but if you reach for guys with your first pick that nobody else is that high on then you need those guys to pan out….otherwise you wonder about the evaluation a bit….both guys are young though so we will see
Yes….they may have been able to draft both Culver and Dante later and somebody more mainstream with their first picks.
In 2011 they pass on Josh Bell and Daniel Norris (both ranked pretty high but had signability concerns) and drafted Dante instead.
Watching Tiger Woods this afternoon (no choice). The skills are returning, but there’s no joy there anymore. Hard to root for him, not that I ever did.
austinmac, which of the following would you say more closely matches your current 2014 thoughts: that you don’t know how the Yankees can field a competitive team in 2014 or that you don’t think there’s a way the Yankees can field a competitive team in 2014?
Tigers swing looks the best it’s looked in years
blake,
You are correct, but the only emotion he shows is pissed off.
a Pedicure & Chamomile Tea would set me straight right about now
Doing a fantasy draft today and we are 7 rds in and Tex hasn’t even been picked yet…..sad
I would be pissed off too if it wasn’t even 2:30 p.m. yet in California and I’d already lost wagers on soccer games in Holland, Spain, and Chile.
Oh wait, that’s not Tiger, that’s me.
tomingeorgia says:
January 27, 2013 at 5:12 pm
blake,
You are correct, but the only emotion he shows is pissed off.
Yea….. He doesn’t really seem to enjoy playing
Did he ever really enjoy playing though?
January 27, 2013 at 5:15 pm
I would be pissed off too if it wasn’t even 2:30 p.m. yet in California and I’d already lost wagers on soccer games in Holland, Spain, and Chile.
That’s what you get for
watchingbetting on soccerNick,
Probably better to bet on Tiger the Lifeless.
Against All Odds says:
January 27, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Did he ever really enjoy playing though?
I think so yea….I mean he’s always been serious and treated it like work but he just seems joyless now
Soccer is a dangerous but interesting sport to wager, with the tie being a possible outcome along with the win and the loss. Not for the faint of heart.
Oh, and I forgot Scotland in my list of countries in which I picked losers today. Celtic is the only quality team in the SPL and has been crushing its opposition later, yet lost outright to St. Mirren today in a League Cup match. You just never know.
“Hard to root for him, not that I ever did.”
yeah, i can see rooting for an incredibly talented kid of color kid breaking into an almost all white sport would be a stretch for you.
Tiger Woods should retire with Gretzky and be done with it.
“Did he ever really enjoy playing though?”
some of you are effing morons
I think Golf was an obsession for T as he was coming up, I think that passion has lessen as he won , won and won.
randy,
Stuff it.
With respect to drafting either at the domestic or international level,the Yankees have not fared well for years.
I believe the BA ranking of 11 is a serious over reach.
My point was/is,when does someone fall on their sword.
Other than Cano,what has this system produced as a significant major league player since the core group of the 90′s? Without the big spending this has been a very lackluster decade +!
Nick, can you bet on a game being tied?
tomingeorgia-
its obvious who you are.
you can;’t play golf. you don’t know shT about it.
you’re bigoted and you ought to just STFU.
Hi Tom, hope u have something acceptable in the oven. Nothing much happening here beyond the Corrs doing, Jimi Hendrix’, ” Little Wing “. )
Other than Cano,what has this system produced as a significant major league player since the core group of the 90?s?
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Ajax, Kennedy and Montero just off the top of my head.
Thanks for the info, JF. Can you explain what you mean by the $6 million difference? I’m just a little confused on the numbers, because I thought if he opted out it automatically costs them $9 mil? Sorry! Remember I’m female and do my best to reinforce stereotypes regarding women and math
I can’t wait until a golfer is caught using PEDs. At least then the sport would be more interesting..
I’ve talked to Tom a lot, and I never knew him once to be a bigot.
“Nick, can you bet on a game being tied?”
Yes, and I often hedge wagers with the tie. But if you bet on a team to win and hedge a bit with the tie and then the team loses, you’ve just lost both wagers.
The Culver and Bichette moves were disappointing.. they need to be smarter in the draft. Especially if they’re just going to keep giving up free agents for nothing. They need to make those picks count.
Gotha, basically extra risk you have to take.
jmills-
i din’t say anything with the n word bs he was running his mouth on the other day, but enough is enough.
Excellent long-distance analysis. randy. Used to shoot close to scratch (before I lost interest), and I rooted for Calvin Peete, who was a year or so older than I, the man who broke the barrier. Keep it to yourself.
jmills-
why would anyone who likes the game of golf not root for the young tiger woods coming out of the amateur ranks and going into the pro game ?
there’s one reason use your head.
on a late Sunday afternoon after a nice meal I’ll put golf on …puts me to sleep faster
tomingeorgia-
sorry, tired of your BS .
you’re incredibly easy to see through.
that n word crap the other day you were spouting was incredibly patronizing.
Randy, if I’m wrong, kick my teeth in.
Honestly, I’ve never heard anything but good out of Tom.
Around this time last year, Bichette Jr was already ranked the top GCL prospect by Baseball America. They even had him as a cover boy prior to the start of last season. Now, he’s a has-been. Ah, the life of a baseball prospect.
You would have been better off not saying anything today too, randy.
What you posted at 5:24 and 5:28 was worse than what Bret the Hitman got banned for. And then 5:36 for the hat trick. Very nicely done.
randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
“Did he ever really enjoy playing though?”
some of you are effing morons
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It’s an honest question he wouldn’t be the first athlete to play a sport they didn’t love.
jmills,
Thanks.
Nilsson January 27th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Around this time last year, Bichette Jr was already ranked the top GCL prospect by Baseball America. They even had him as a cover boy prior to the start of last season. Now, he’s a has-been. Ah, the life of a baseball prospect.
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Yea I think it’s a little to early to dump Dante
Tom, no problem, you’re the man!
that bad 3 letter word is creeping into the weather forecast for western ct…..
It’s not really about dumping on Bichette or assuming he has no baseball future.. it’s just that his upside was never as high as that of other prospects.
What you posted at 5:24 and 5:28 was worse than what Bret the Hitman got banned for.
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Nick, you mean making light of violence against women. Great to know where you stand on that.
Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
It’s not really about dumping on Bichette or assuming he has no baseball future.. it’s just that his upside was never as high as that of other prospects.
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back when they would have talk this kid up as the 2nd coming then trade him….thats changed also
It’s a little premature to give up on Cito and Bichette. Hope to see them both put it together this year. It’ll be interesting to see how all the off season attention Yanks have paid working on Cito’s swing path plays out.
Hi, yankeefeminista. I know the context in which Bret the Hitman posted what he posted, unlike most of the folks here. I thought it was inappropriate, just as his previous comment about you was inappropriate, and I said you. It was probably inappropriate for you to question Bret’s intelligence, but people do that kind of stuff all the time here, so you’re in good company.
“and I said you”
And I said so, that is.
Nothing gets by Mr Nick. He’s the Mayor and moral conscience of the LoHud.
YF-Still wondering when your Dad played at the Stadium?
Well, hell – I thought it odd and potentially, offensive, to express seeming envy that a certain segment “gets” to use the “N” word.
Maybe tom didn’t intend this, but it sounded as though he viewed using that word as a kind of privilege or something.
Why would anyone want to use that incredibly hate-mongering, soul-killing word?
It’s not hard to see why someone might have a problem with that.
Gay people call each other “queen” and “f*g” too – they do it to turn a demeaning epithet to ironic use and self-empowerment.
Any one with any sense could see why gays “get” to use that word, but also why YOU don’t “get” to use it against them.
Tom- Did you use the N word?
Nick, so you mean I made Bret say violent things about women. Got it. Just keep underplaying what he said.
Brett the Hitman: Lohud Martyr.
Don’t worry, he’s still among us
You just have to know how to look for him.
Mr. mick and JAP.
I did not, and never did, use that word. JAP, perhaps I should have said “may use that word without censure”, for the parsers out there.
“Nick, so you mean I made Bret say violent things about women. Got it. Just keep underplaying what he said.”
No, I don’t mean that in the least. So you don’t get it. And I am not underplaying or overplaying what he said. I know what he said.
And no, Mr. Prufrock, I don’t think Bret the Hitman is a martyr. randy’s comments don’t make Bret’s any better. As for Bret still being among us, I don’t know about that. It could be. I kind of thought FiretheUMPIRE was a different banned commenter, but I don’t know either way. You could be right.
I like, Paul …….Molitar.
tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Mr. mick and JAP.
I did not, and never did, use that word. JAP, perhaps I should have said “may use that word without censure”, for the parsers out there.
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tom, I believe I left some latitude that you may not have intended how what you said came off; only you know for sure what’s in your heart.
I understand why Randy took offense. And I’d get used to the “parsers” when it comes to loaded words like this; we have them to thank for the world changing.
And I don’t know about you – I don’t, indeed; but I, for one, think the world is a much better place that we have to speak with more care, lest we wound someone.
starting a new character on MLB2k12, again i been traded away from the Yanks…*(*&(*(*~ ! I might just sign on with the bosox and destroy the Yanks, a tale of spurned love, stay tune…
Tom, I never knew u to converse anything derogatory. Go, ” Betty Blue 37.2 degrees!!!
Alfred, Tomingeorgia is a friend of mine.
@ Cash is the game good?
And no, Mr. Prufrock, I don’t think Bret the Hitman is a martyr. randy’s comments don’t make Bret’s any better. As for Bret still being among us, I don’t know about that. It could be. I kind of thought FiretheUMPIRE was a different banned commenter, but I don’t know either way. You could be right.
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Nick, you hate Randy. That’s of no interest to me. Randy took offense at something that was offensive. Tom explicated what he claims his true intent was.
But Randy taking offense at something that was ambiguous at best, and Brett the Hitman making jokes about giving women black eyes…. c’mon.
The one was a protest against bigotry; you may think it was overzealous, but maybe he didn’t feel that way – or maybe he’s more offended by such things?
The other was possibly the worst comment Hitman has ever made, but just one of many by that poster that advocated using and mistreating women.
Terrible call.
I don’t know about that. It could be. I kind of thought FiretheUMPIRE was a different banned commenter, but I don’t know either way. You could be right.
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There seems to be a lot of different banned users on here almost daily.
JAP,
I agree, precision in speech and writing is important. My comments about the word were in response to a post asking about the use of the word in this day, and the only time I’ve heard it used here was in the example I cited. That’s all.
AoA, pretty similar to 11. but pitching is harder from a hitter perspective (ump calls the corner strike all the time). I been playing the career mode, but i have yet to try ‘Franchise Mode’ which enable you to be the GM and player at the same time.
great game though, i recommend it during off season.
I had a woman once who could give u black pies like u can’t believe!
tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
JAP,
I agree, precision in speech and writing is important. My comments about the word were in response to a post asking about the use of the word in this day, and the only time I’ve heard it used here was in the example I cited. That’s all.
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tom, I’m glad you feel that way. My point was not to judge you, but to say I understood Randy’s response, since he was being demonized.
Any way, I’ll leave the bloodsport to others.
Tom, No need to worry, u served honourably in Nam. I can’t believe veterans aren’t treated better.
No, I do not hate randy. It shouldn’t be of any interest to you because it’s not true.
It’s quite possible to disagree with what someone says without hating them. I don’t think there’s anyone here that I hate, in fact. Hate is a pretty strong emotion.
Saying that one hasn’t rooted for Tiger Woods is not ambiguous; it’s innocuous.
Were you lurking here the night that Bret the Hitman made his comments? Or are you relying on what someone else has told you?
not rooting for tiger woods in 1996 was pretty much like not rooting for jackie robinson in 1947.
the golf world was for all practical purposes a caucasian game.
understand that there was written “caucasian only” clause in golf until 1961.
Nick,
I know this stuff gets your blood going. It doesn’t mine. I saw you taking what I thought was a shot and others piling on, so I gave my take.
That’s about my threshold for this kind of thing. Sorry
JAP,
Except those who thought the Montero trade was OK!
Jack Nicklaus! – I’m sure Tom has no problem with whoever wins.
What Tiger Woods faced on tour in 1997 was the same as what Jackie Robinson faced in 1947?
Really?
And the reasonable conclusion to draw is that not rooting for him made/makes one bigoted?
Thanks for the breakdown. I haven’t played a baseball game I liked since 2k8. Maybe I’ll check it out
Here comes , Elvis – comeback.
jmills,
Always rooted for Arnie,, then Nicklaus, then anyone one else. Player was, and is. a stick.
AoA, mlb13 is coming out in March, check it out then. I play it during winter when I am home, very entertaining esp when there is nothing going on in Yankeeland this whole off season practically.
Mr. Prufrock, you overstate it when you say my blood is going. It’s conversation with and about members of this little community.
The “shot” I took was that I think it’s way over the line of reasonable discourse here to post what randy posted and it makes this place worse. That doesn’t mean that I hate him.
tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
JAP,
Except those who thought the Montero trade was OK!
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Hey tom,
I think you’ve trolled me for about a year now. It’s a wonder I’m even polite to you, really.
This is a baseball site; it’s not always going to reflect your demand that it be ice cream castles and sugar plum fairies in pinstripes.
I don’t like a trade they made and I’ve not cared for their direction for some times now. If you want to take that personally, that is your problem; not mine.
“And the reasonable conclusion to draw is that not rooting for him made/makes one bigoted?”
in 1996 in that pro golf world for a golfer or golf fan?
pretty much.
I had a 3 wood – Gary Player
Nick, I’m wondering if you’ve ever addressed me about the Yankees? If so, I could probably count the times on one hand.
That’s about all I want to discuss with you. We’ve already exhausted Elvis’ oeuvre by now.
Are you counting your previous identity, of just post-Prufrock?
Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
AoA, mlb13 is coming out in March, check it out then. I play it during winter when I am home, very entertaining esp when there is nothing going on in Yankeeland this whole off season practically.
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Hey why not since we can be the GM of the Yankees might as well play GM in a video. I always played the franchise mode. Putting together a team was fun.
…or just post-Prufrock, that is.
Elvis is great, and I’m not even particularly a Presley fan.
On a lighter note how’s that Georgia Bulldog BB team doing Tom?
@Deadspin
Federal and state authorities investigating son of doctor who prescribed Manny Ramirez female fertility drug: http://deadsp.in/GvZX1VK‘
It seems serious in here..let’s go back to a debate about PEDs and start discussing Manny taking lady drugs.
Shame,
The reason jeter costs 9 is because there is a 3 mil buyout combined with a 6 mil difference between taxed vs paid. So it adds together for 2014 to become 9. Presumably if you extend jeter you would remove the 3 mil buyout so you’d be left with the 6 mil difference that would still impact you.
A quote from the Deadspin article:
“His most famous client, Alex Rodriguez, has already had issues with performance-enhancing drugs so his connection—Bosch served as an advisor on “nutrition, supplements and blood analysis”—isn’t unexpected. And it could be that Brian Cashman knew more than he let on when he mentioned Rodriguez could miss the whole year on a radio spot earlier this week.”
Not sure what to make of that.. I hope Alex isn’t involved in some investigation this year. That’d be the icing on the cake.
Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Are you counting your previous identity, of just post-Prufrock?
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I’d be surprised if, in all of my incarnations, that we’ve hit double digits.
jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Elvis is great, and I’m not even particularly a Presley fan.
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Not him. Declan MacManus.
Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Shame,
The reason jeter costs 9 is because there is a 3 mil buyout combined with a 6 mil difference between taxed vs paid. So it adds together for 2014 to become 9. Presumably if you extend jeter you would remove the 3 mil buyout so you’d be left with the 6 mil difference that would still impact you.
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Thank you, dude. I would understand very little about this stuff without you being able to explain it.
It sucks the contract is structured that way…
If they do extend him, how would the $6 count? Would it be included to calculate the AAV or just an extra hit against the 2014 LT?
Free Alex.
Well, Mr. Prufrock, so there’s no misunderstanding, I have read and appreciated a large number of your posts and comments about the Yankees’ MiL teams and players, but I guess not so many of them have inspired direct comments or follow-up questions to you.
I know we were on the same side in the Great Posada Truther War of 2009 and I made more comments about it than I could estimate, but few of them were probably to you.
randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
“And the reasonable conclusion to draw is that not rooting for him made/makes one bigoted?”
in 1996 in that pro golf world for a golfer or golf fan?
pretty much.
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This is ridiculous.
JF, Yanks be better off with Jeter in 14 consider the 9 mil sunk cost, I am hoping for one year deal where both sides are satisfied, plausible. but I am very leery giving him multiple year deals going foward. 1. he is old 2 i question his range at ss as we move on in time 3 i like to see nunez get a shot sooner or later.
Alfred, Danny McManus was a quarterback for the Ticats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyrQqmc5UT8….
when I married my wife again out in Las Vegas in the Elvis Chapel…we requested this song…..
j. a. pru.
i came across this superman radio series the other day.
you’ve really got to listen to it sometime when you get a chance.
absolutely amazing the courage they had to broadcast it in 1946.
it has me thinking what “truth , justice , and the american way really are.
kids get it instinctively , but adults learn to play it safe and stay on the sidelines.
i was thinking about what the yankees were all about historically and why they weren’t just another team, and following my nose i came to superman and his “truth , justice, and the american way”.
anyway , check it out. i think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....BC375F0440
AoA, I play the GM, Yanks would have a juggernaut every year, I wanted some balance to make it competitive.
YF, I concur, free Alex Lifeson – great guitarist.
*if I play
Nick in SF,
That is true; we were on the same side of that.
And whatever my username of the moment, I am consistent in my views: shipping out Posada’s heir apparent is grievious for the same reasons it was to have Posada out of the lineup in 2009.
tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
JAP,
Except those who thought the Montero trade was OK!
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Hey tom,
I think you’ve trolled me for about a year now. It’s a wonder I’m even polite to you, really.
This is a baseball site; it’s not always going to reflect your demand that it be ice cream castles and sugar plum fairies in pinstripes.
I don’t like a trade they made and I’ve not cared for their direction for some times now. If you want to take that personally, that is your problem; not mine.
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I haven’t trolled anyone. I just disagreed. Is that not allowed? Have I disrespected you, or been impolite? If you think I did so, I’m truly sorry. Maybe I’m a little testy after being called a bigot today. I do this for recreation, not for calling people names. I don’t care, nor, except when people make character conclusions based on what’s said here, what your opinions are, or what other people say. Shutting down the opposition isn’t my game. Is it yours?
cashmoney, “Ajax,Kennedy and Montero off the top of my head”.
And where are they? Proving that even when they have good prospects,they eat their young in dumb trades!
Off with your head! lol
I for one wanted Montero out of here…now I want him back…because I’m a changed man
Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
AoA, I play the GM, Yanks would have a juggernaut every year, I wanted some balance to make it competitive.
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That’s what I did. My teams would be unstoppable. I only played the franchise mode with the Yankees on Mlb 2k1. I always felt it was unfair in a way lol.
And whatever my username of the moment,
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*raises eyebrow*
Alfred, I’ve never been in the presence of Tom saying anything derogatory.
I haven’t trolled anyone. I just disagreed. Is that not allowed? Have I disrespected you, or been impolite? If you think I did so, I’m truly sorry. Maybe I’m a little testy after being called a bigot today. I do this for recreation, not for calling people names. I don’t care, nor, except when people make character conclusions based on what’s said here, what your opinions are, or what other people say. Shutting down the opposition isn’t my game. Is it yours?
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I think I’ve been incredibly restrained. I read back one night where you, ever on your self-appointed patrol to sniff out counterfeit Yankee fans, “reported” to trisha that I had come into the gamethread to talk hockey and left; the implication clearly was that I did not comment on the game action sufficiently to appease your idea of what one does in a Yankee game thread.
That’s just one instance of your relentless, unprovoked comments at my expense.
The thing is, tom, I really don’t care. I just noted it.
Randy L., love your occasional sentimentality,but associating athletic success with “truth,justice and the American way” is a bit much.
I’m sure you remember the racists in the Yankee front office when they were one of the last teams including the Bosox to have black players.
Vic Power was the first to reach the bigs,was deemed a showboat(Surprise!), sent to the Indians where he had a good career particularly on D.
Mr. Prufrock, you may be right that Montero will end up being worthy of being called Posada’s potential heir apparent.
The fact is that Posada was a switch-hitting catcher who put up great numbers from both sides and, whether he gets there or not, is plausibly mentioned as a potential Hall of Famer.
I don’t draw any negative conclusions about what kind of career Montero will have based on his first season. But I don’t think it’s a terrible slam on him — or a character flaw — to recognize the possibility that he will not have the type of impact or career that Posada had. But Montero has only had a single season and is still very young; the future is out there for him and he can write his own script.
But loving and appreciating Jorge Posada does not make it mandatory to think that Montero will ever be that kind of player.
There you go, another comment about the Yankees made to you. Pretty soon you’ll have to take your shoes off to keep count.
Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
And whatever my username of the moment,
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All my incarnations protested that Joba remain in the rotation, and all my incarnations looked forward to Jesus Montero.
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I don’t care either, JAP. Just keep up the montero talk. I understand.
J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
And whatever my username of the moment,
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*raises eyebrow*
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All my incarnations protested that Joba remain in the rotation, and all my incarnations looked forward to Jesus Montero. .
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Do you still login to these other accounts?
Should I jump in or should I stay out, Jump in, stay out.
It’s like the devil and the angel are on my keyboard right now.
Angel wins. catch everybody later.
jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Alfred, Danny McManus was a quarterback for the Ticats.
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I always thought Elvis casted a wide net.
tomingeorgia-
we all need to stretch ourselves to be at our best. myself included.
when you make a flip comment about never rooting for tiger woods but then you liked calvin peete, there is a disconnect there. something doesn’t make sense.
if you want to explain why you didn’t root for the young tiger woods,i’m perfectly willing to listen and respond.
my position is simply that the golf world was almost all caucasian at that time. tiger blew open doors and barriers that had barely been opened by how good he was.
how could anyone not root for that?
i’m not talking about the missteps he took later in his personal life. obviously, there was nothing worthy of rooting for there.
” Jump ” is a bad song by Van Halen, but it made a lot of money, honey!
Do you still login to these other accounts?
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No, I used one other username previously. I left the blog, returning when, as a passive reader, I could no longer endure the Jeter treatment in here that went unanswered.
I got used to posting again and stuck around.
I’m a Johnny Miller fan!
us lineman hate the I word
This is getting stupid. I have only 1 user name and can’t be bothered with anything else.
I used to be….WCYF
” Witchita lineman.”
Jap, Elvis cast a huge net. IMO, not so humble, he made a lot of excellent babymaking music, for those who aren’t interested in making baby or babies, at least majority of humankind are interested in the babymaking process.
jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
” Witchita lineman
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I hated that song
anyway , check it out. i think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..BC375F0440
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Randy, my older brother already had dibs on Clark Kent, since I came along six years later.
I’ve bookmarked it and will take a look later, thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbMeAOTPJzM
love her voice…
Was everyone eating crazy wafers tonight??
Joe ( witcha lineman ), me too. Alfred, I talk like a retard regarding hockey, and Tom puts up with me.
nah Shame, just meatload.
I like Freedy Johnston’s cover of “Wichita Lineman”. Here’s a solo acoustic version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlc56z8WRpM
“Randy L., love your occasional sentimentality,but associating athletic success with “truth,justice and the American way” is a bit much.
I’m sure you remember the racists in the Yankee front office when they were one of the last teams including the Bosox to have black players.”
cmnsense-
chad raised the question of real fan / fair weather fan the other day and it gt me thinking about what the yankees stood for. if they stand for nothing, what’s the point in rooting for them? i agree totally about the yankees at times being incredibly flawed, but they have also historically stood for something.
also i directed that link straight to j.a.pru .
did you even listen to it?
if not you’re really kind of in the dark knowing what i was getting at.
but again, it was a link to a specific person.
i don’t think most of the blog would be interested.
Shame, there’s a fight here between 2 figures I’ve forgotten about.
But loving and appreciating Jorge Posada does not make it mandatory to think that Montero will ever be that kind of player.
There you go, another comment about the Yankees made to you. Pretty soon you’ll have to take your shoes off to keep count.
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No, it isn’t mandatory, but the premise back then, and pre-Jan 13, 2012, was the circular lineup remaining intact.
It wasn’t hyperbole, then, to say the Yankees’ circularity depended on Jeter/Bernie/Posada, and later, Jeter/Cano/Posada; that was the crux of my argument – that Posada’s removal would break the circle.
It’s the same underlying argument for having kept Montero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKEuOO0lQPc
little Makers Mark and some Nora Jones
j.a. pru-
yeah, when you get time.
it’s got baseball and human rights and new york.
you’ll find it interesting.
Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
nah Shame, just meatload.
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Looks like it
Alfred, you’re one of the funniest people I have had the honour to meet!
Alfred, admit it, u loved Espo in ’79!
randy,
You’re an interesting mix of old school and alternative thinking.
We don’t always agree, which is fine. I appreciate your independent thought.
don’t know who is really of age on here or not but I’m sorry for using the word Makers Mark
jmills,
I already told you privately all of those deep dark secrets about me and Phil Esposito. I have no humor when it comes to the man.
jmills,
All is well
Ron Duguay was the sexy item back in N.Y. ’78/79 along with that Don Murdoch guy.
jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Ron Duguay was the sexy item back in N.Y. ’78/79 along with that Don Murdoch guy.
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wait one…nobody hotter than Stan Jonathan & Terry O
Alfred, Doug Gilmour is apparently a scumbag, but, the guy remains an awesome entity.
Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Jap, Elvis cast a huge net. IMO, not so humble, he made a lot of excellent babymaking music, for those who aren’t interested in making baby or babies, at least majority of humankind are interested in the babymaking process.
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Cashmoney,
I’m about to check out. I missed this; we were talking about Elvis Costello, whose real name is Declan MacManus.
Unfortunately, Stan ( the aboriginal ) Johnathan just got charged with manslaughter up here for shooting somebody in a meadow by accident.
Did not know that Jap, I simply heard him of as Elvis Costello.
didn’t Paris Hilton invent the word Hot
“We don’t always agree, which is fine. I appreciate your independent thought.”
j.a.pru -
likewise.
jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Unfortunately, Stan ( the aboriginal ) Johnathan just got charged with manslaughter up here for shooting somebody in a meadow by accident.
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didn’t know that but just saw it….sorry for that also
Terry O’Reilly went to my high school in Oshawa where the Stones had to do their benefit concert for the blind because Keith got caught with his heroin.
in general, jap i think music as whole from 20s-70s manifest in different genres had lot more soul than 90-present…
over and out
Think twice before walking on ice
“It’s the same underlying argument for having kept Montero.”
And it might end up looking like an excellent argument. Which is why a lot of us will still be paying attention to Montero, though he’s no longer a Yankee.
Joe, trust me, I’m not taking the Ford Bronco or snowmobile on the ice – no need to void one’s insurance!
pre-Jan 13, 2012
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One more time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNAN-zX4KSI
here are 2 men who sang with a bit of emotion…
J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Do you still login to these other accounts?
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No, I used one other username previously. I left the blog, returning when, as a passive reader, I could no longer endure the Jeter treatment in here that went unanswered.
I got used to posting again and stuck around.
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Good thing you stuck around.
I only asked because yrs ago I was on another board and multiple accounts was a common thing. Which means more than likely talking to the same person and depending on the name he/she was either agreeing or disagreeing with you.
I only have time for 1 user name, I’m kinda’ dumb that way.
Against, one time, I sent an e-mail to Billy Cobham – I told him about Toronto’s Glenn Gould and the fact I didn’t like jazz fusion much. brand X with Phil Collins is still a reliable entity.
short…stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9ZGKALMMuc…enjoy
jmills, props to you. It takes some courage to stand up and defend someone if you think they’ve been wronged. A lot of people just look the other way.
Nick,
I have a hard time seeing how they can field a competitive team in 2014. Far too many rookies would have to contribute. Plus, even of they had money to spend, the free agent pool is dwindling.
But, no one has offered to pay me for my thoughts so that may well be their value.
Sorry, hey joe, couldn’t open that dog garn attachment.
We can all root for whom we choose. People heckled Nicklaus. It wasn”t because of his race. Tiger has never been very fan friendly.
While Tom doesn’t agree with many of my opinions, that too is fine with me. He seems okay to me.
But, no one has offered to pay me for my thoughts so that may well be their value.
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The only ppl that have answered that question is some commenters over at RAB.
Jmills,
Never liked Miller. His hair was too blond, I suppose.
Hi austinmac, thanks for the reply. What kind of result would you consider sufficient to show that they had indeed fielded a competitive team? Finishing above .500? Finishing in 3rd place or higher? Or what?
Before you answer, I know that the end result doesn’t necessarily prove that they had fielded a competitive team, when so many things can go wrong to derail a season. But I’m curious what you think anyway.
If they do extend him, how would the $6 count? Would it be included to calculate the AAV or just an extra hit against the 2014 LT?
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When you do an extension, you forge a new contract for the following year + whatever the extension is. As part of the extension, MLB will look at the FULL contract being extended (which means the years prior which have already been paid) and calculate a debit or credit based on taxed vs paid.
So for example, the Yankees actually paid 15.667 per year, but were taxed at only 14 per year. Thats a difference of 5 million ( so actually its cheaper than the calculation for the player option penalty by a million, great!).
What MLB then does is add that penalty onto the new contracts AAV. So if you extend him for 2 years you’d take a 2.5 million penalty each year.
So now that I did the math more formally, it may be smarter to extend him. The issue will be in how you deal with the extension. Right now Jeter is guaranteed 3 million+a new deal or 9.5 million for the season. So I think you’d have to start around 12.5 million for it to make sense financially for Jeter.
So lets say they go 12.5 for 2014, 10 for 2015. They do the extension after April 1st so the calculation for 2013 stays the same. 2014 & 2015 should have an AAV of 11.25 + 2.5 = 13.75, which is slightly cheaper than what they’d take if Jeter accepted his player option and gives more money to Jeter than he is likely to get.
They may have to throw some incentives in though, which could muddle things.
There is an avenue here for them to work with. They need a devious accountant.
Cashman groveling to Jeter would probably help as well.
Nick, the season is a long haul. I want a team that gives me hope, even if somewhat unrealistic hope, they can get in the playoffs. I like six months of something to watch. A team out of it in June is no fun.
Well, this sounds like something unquantifiable. I get that you have no hope now, or think you’ll have no hope when the 2014 season begins. I’m just wondering what could happen during the 2014 season that will make you say “Hey, I was wrong, this team has showed/is showing that it has a chance to get into the playoffs!”
“Never liked Miller. His hair was too blond, I suppose”
austinmac-
yeah , i suppose there was a no blond hair clause in the pga too.
tiger woods emergence in 1996 was historic in moving the world of golf into a new era.
you’re making light of a serious issue.
but i guess that’s what nice safe people do.
good job.
Randy,
I prefer not making unfair, unfounded suggestions of racism. If that is safe, I’m guilty. You should climb off your high horse and stop insulting others. That is appropriate behavior.
Nick,
Winning more games than they lose is a good start. I quantify my joy on a personal level. You are free to do the same.
Do you have a point?
JF,
What if the Yanks went to Jeter now and offered to year his old contract up and do a new 3/30 one and front load it. 2013: 15 mill, 2014: 8 mill, 2015: 7 mill.
He gets an additional year….and the Yanks lower the AAV to 10 for 2014…..is that correct or does the buy out jazz still apply? It’s a new contract so I woukd think no
http://www.youtube.com/embed/V.....#038;rel=0
Enjoy, …Natalie Merchant!!!!!!
I’m more hopeful about 2014, which could be delusional.
I was hoping your feelings about it would be specific enough to present an opportunity for a friendly wager — say, a bottle of your favorite BBQ sauce vs. some Bay Area delicacy — but I don’t think we can wager in levels of personal joy and whether low expectations are met or exceeded unless we do so on the honor system.
I don’t think I’d be interested in such a thing if our positions were reversed, however.
If you guys don’t start playin nice I’m gonna unleash a blitzkrieg of fake trade proposals…..you’ve been warned
What if the Yanks went to Jeter now and offered to year his old contract up and do a new 3/30 one and front load it. 2013: 15 mill, 2014: 8 mill, 2015: 7 mill.
He gets an additional year….and the Yanks lower the AAV to 10 for 2014…..is that correct or does the buy out jazz still apply? It’s a new contract so I woukd think no
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They would still be penalized because of the taxed vs paid business.
OK, blake,
Cano and Granderson and Arod for Felix.. OK with you, and, oh, figure out a three-way to get an Upton in the deal?
“They would still be penalized because of the taxed vs paid business.”
Even if they ripped up the old contract totally? That’s weird
tomingeorgia says:
January 27, 2013 at 9:12 pm
OK, blake,
Cano and Granderson and Arod for Felix.. OK with you, and, oh, figure out a three-way to get an Upton in the deal?
Felix isn’t for sell….can we have a torn Danny Hultzen labrum instead
Nick,
I don’t bet against my team. I hate to pull against myself while I pull,for my team.
I would love to know the source of your optimism. Logical, spiritual, chemical. Give me some.
Mark Texiera still not drafted in my fantasy league….I may take him just out of pity even though I already have a 1B
Surprised he hasn’t been picked up yet
Even if they ripped up the old contract totally? That’s weird
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How is it weird? They could use this maneuver to continually circumvent the CBA if it worked the way you think.
austinmac, I figured you would feel that way, so I didn’t hold out much hope that I would end up with a bottle of BBQ sauce if/when the Yanks surpass your expectations in 2014. Though you’re free to send me one anyway should that happen.
The source of my optimism, if that’s the word for it, is that losing is bad for business and is bad for the bottom line. If the current regime consists of bad businessmen then losing will likely be the result and I’ll be proven wrong. But I’m hopeful that they will run all the scenarios and do all the calculations and decide that the risk of low attendance and low ratings isn’t worth it — and then opt for the path that will give the team a realistic chance to compete in 2014.
So I guess I’m trying to look at their perceived greed in the best way instead of the worst. But I have no idea. Everything they’re doing could be prepping for a sale, as some theorize, or something else that won’t bode well for 2014. I just don’t know.
Tomingeorgia- how do you like, Bill Bruford, mon ami?
Nick,thanks for the support, but I think Tom can take of the S.O.B’s anytime. If he slips up, I’ll be right there behind him!!!
jmills,
To tell the truth, I dont’ have a clue if I do, or not, just like about 95% of your music posts. Good night, my friend.
Nick,
If Hal changes his ways a bottle of Stubbs bar-b-q sauce will come your way.
“How is it weird? They could use this maneuver to continually circumvent the CBA if it worked the way you think.”
Well only if the player and the team agreed to tear up a contract and do a new one….which doesn’t really happen that often because usually one side doesn’t want to so that.
Tom, good nite – I’m really pissed off that u were attacked!
Thanks, austinmac. And if things continue on with no progress and the roof really does cave in, I’ll be happy to send you something from out here.
Nick,
Let’s hope you can enjoy the sauce. My baseball executive resume is a bit slim.
Nick, Steve …………….McQueen was a crappy driver.Gilles Villeneuve rules!
Nick,
To quantify, if Hal agrees to spend a dime over the cap, I will gladly send your tribute. It will be deserved.
Nick,
If Hal goes over 189 then I’ll send you 2 ketchup packets….deal?
” blake January 27th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Mark Texiera still not drafted in my fantasy league….I may take him just out of pity even though I already have a 1B”
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well, idk your format but tex is certainly a top 10 1b ub 5×5. that’s gotta be an increadibly shallow league.
in 5×5
“well, idk your format but tex is certainly a top 10 1b ub 5×5. that’s gotta be an increadibly shallow league.”
It’s not actually….10 owner league and they all know their stuff…..folks aren’t sure about him
so you’re telling me that there arent’t 15 1bmen drafted in a 10 team league?
id have to challenge how well they ‘know their stuff” then.
austinmac, what if they don’t go over the cap but the team does well in 2014?
blake, no deal, but you can send me a Bojangles gift card and I promise it won’t go to waste.
what is the format?
Nick,
No sauce for you then since your optimism is based on Hal seeing a need to change because of market conditions.
It’s not a 5×5 league either…. It’s. 8×8
I can think of 10 1b Id probably rather have than Tex for fantasy gong into 2013
Pujols, Miggy, Fielder, Votto, Encarnarcion , goldschmidt , Agon, billy butler, Laroche, Craig, etc
“No sauce for you then since your optimism is based on
Halnew owners seeing a need to change because of market conditions.”^
It’s not that crazy that Tex wouldn’t be picked 75 or so picks in….he’s a borderline top 10 1B and there are tons of others spots to fill. In an 8×8 league he gives you homers and RBIs and really nothing else ….
well, of course it depends on your format, i suppose your 8×8 doesnt favor him. but in a 10 team 5×5 he’s certain to be drafted
Rich,
One can only hope.
Ys Guy says:
January 27, 2013 at 10:17 pm
well, of course it depends on your format, i suppose your 8×8 doesnt favor him. but in a 10 team 5×5 he’s certain to be drafted
I didn’t say he wouldn’t be drafted….just said he hasn’t been yet. Even in a 5×5 he’s arguably not a top 10 fantasy 1B
But I am also allowing for the possibility that they will arrive at the decision hour and conclude that they can be competitive with what they’ve got and still stay under the cap — and then be proven correct.
Seems unlikely yet it’s still in the realm of the possible. So I guess my optimism is also partly rooted in the remaining smidgen of faith that someone over there knows what he’s doing and that it might still pay off on the field.
I would pay out if they sold the team before 2014, obviously.
There’s also the possibility that they will arrive at the decision to go over the cap too late and the team will still stink because they clung to their delusional fiscal fantasies for too long and arrive at the worst outcome: spend more to get even less.
I would pay out then too.
Nick,
You get sauce if you correctly predict Hal sees the light. We can all share in the fruits if they sell.
But no sauce if they get under the cap and the team still does well? Wouldn’t that mean they had seen the light all along?
I do not bet against my team. I will readily bet Hal is a putz, now and in 2014.
Ah. So the only scenario in which you will send the sauce is if they go above the cap.
But if they can figure out a way to be competitive and still stay under the cap — proving pretty much all but the most ardent of the cheer squad wrong — then no sauce for me.
Nick,
All I ask for my gracious offer is acknowledgement when I am right. It won’t be the result I want. But, it is the result I foresee. If they can win under the cap, I will have no difficulty acknowledging you we’re right. But, alas, no sauce.
That’s a shame. I like increasing the number of potential scenarios in which I can win.
And I do think it’s possible that they can thread the needle. But I’d be happy to give acknowledgment IF you are right.
What if they go under the limit and win in 189 but its at terrible cost and they soon lose a lot? You should have to send any unused sauce back.
That would be even harder to pull off. I guess it would involve some big trades for good players who leave after 2014?
If there’s leftover sauce, how good was it in the first place?
Maybe its costco sized.
What I foresee is Hank taking back over, extending AROD believing he simply needed more incentives. Jerkface then explains it costs triple under the cap However, Roger Clemens replaces Mo in 2014 for free as a gesture to all what a great guy he really is.
I thought Blake explained the sauce is packet sized?
I can’t be sending back unused packets if the team sucks in 2017.
Does good sauce come in packets?
wins is the way to go. if the yankees win 261 games from now through the 2015 season, you win.
I would say good sauce does not come in packets. The question is, however, how long should Nick keep the Arby’s sauce unopened pending results? I prefer my returned packets to be pristine.
“Does good sauce come in packets?”
Only for astronauts…in space.
Setting aside I don’t bet on my team, why 261? 87 per season has been defined as success by whom?
It is possible that the Yanks will be a division contender/winner while staying under 189. But what if they make some short-sighted moves to get there — like trading Heathcott, Sanchez, Campos, Mason Williams, etc. for veterans who bring short-term success? Seems like nobody should declare victory under such circumstances.
by nobody, but thats a pretty good # to set the bet. i’d say if they win 261 the next 3 seasons they’ll make the playoffs twice.
From Stubbs to Arby’s. Talk about defining quality downwards.
I hope Hal gets better results.
You’d need probably 276 over 3 seasons to guarantee that.
i thinnk 261 is a good # but i’d take nick’s side.
Stubbs, btw, is a great place. Or at least it was.
if they win 276, they’ll certainly make the playoffs twice, probably all 3 seasons. that’s a pretty one sided bet
we’re talking about competing, not dominating as far as the bet goes.
tucker, that’s what I was getting at in my 11:04 post. I guess anything is possible.
Hey Nick,
What kind of money can I get betting on U.S. Women’s Figure Skater Gracie Gold medaling in the next winter olympics?
My wife & I were both home sick last night and after having watched all my awards screeners watched the US Women’s Long program.
And I hope you and J.AP continue to get along. You’re both high on the list of posters I hope to take in a game with and/or have a drink with one of these days.
G. Love, I don’t know if our interaction tonight was really a great example of getting along, but hopefully it will prove to be the floor and not the ceiling.
I wouldn’t risk betting much on any athletic competition that takes place in Russia, my friend. Think about it.
If Gracie says goodnight with anything less than gold there should be an investigation, but I fear it will be a Russian-led one. Be careful.
Stubbs is still good. When Hal splurges, Nick will indulge.
I think I have more interest betting on figure skating than horses and I have horse racing in the blood with our family owning a few ponies.
It’s one thing to have faith in ownership. It’s another thing to envision a way out of this self-inflicted limit. As many people have aptly pointed out, it’s difficult to describe a scenario where they assemble the necessary talent to win the division and compete for the pennant while staying under 189. It’s nearly impossible to see at this point.
Will Hal buckle in the name of preserving the brand? His recent public comments about 189 seem to suggest the team would be willing to go over 189 in the name of fielding a competitive team. Though, in the same breath, he described Youk, Ichiro and Pettitte as top free agents. A more accurate description would be aging vets who are willing to sign for one year (or 2 in Ichiro’s case).
And if I was a party to this friendly non-wager, I’d hold out for Q sauce from The Salt Lick.
I honestly think unless Hal is prepping to sell, he’s going to exceed the budget before all is said and done.
If the Yankees are limping or hovering around the post season pack and have a glaring need and it’s not addressed, it’s going to be tough to stand up to your customers/fans and tell them the budget goal is more important than whatever the team needs to get over the hump.
I think right now the owners believe they have the stomach for it, but when it’s facing them down and the season is in the balance and the fans are demanding more/improvements, it’s a franchise altering moment if you truly say “no children, you cannot have the Millenium
Falcon”.
That said, if they are prepping to sell nothing will matter and they will slash payroll and give out no new contracts of length to let the new owner build the team in their image.
Some awesome NPB batflips for ya’ll
http://t.co/dQ7c4gCg
I think you’re right, G. Love. Or at least that’s the hope I’ve been clinging to and opining about all along.
It seemed like last season the goal was to have the team filled perfectly in every way with depth so that they wouldn’t have to go out and acquire anything in a panic during the season.
This season is the opposite. I feel like they’re going in looking to see what their needs are and try to fill them as the season goes on. That’s a dangerous position because every other team is also assessing and looking for pieces and you’re competing against them for players they all may have realized they needed during the course of the season. If 5 teams need a RH hitting OF, the price skyrockets whereas in the off season you can just sign a guy to play that role for money.
While last season was a little boring in the transaction department once the season began, it really was that way because the roster showed depth. A lot more depth than we’re seeing right now.
Right now, I think we’re a 90 win team with no new additions. That may be enough to contend for a wild card and then again it might not be. But if enough teams are around that level the chance to trade for players to get you over the hump becomes more and more difficult.
But I’m honestly starting to think they’re prepping for a sale and if that’s the case it’s gonna be a rough until they complete a sale.
A-Rod’s injury offers a ripe excuse, and they will take it, if necessary. Cashman will be the first scapegoat (not that he isn’t deserving), and then they can give fans hope with a new GM.
Rich,
What’s your feeling on them prepping for a sale and just slashing what they can in advance of that?
I don’t know about using Arod as an excuse, at least not explicitly, but if they end up going over the cap in 2014, that would probably be the end of Cashman as GM.
Unless he’s got his Rasputin act down even better than we imagine. Wouldn’t that be something.
My team mole at the gym, who has suspiciously clammed up of late completely, really was stressing that the owners were putting Cashman’s feet to the fire.
Even if that is the case, it’s still going to be hard for a NY franchise with the revenues the Yankees generate to tell the fans “well Cashman promised us he could win on budget so so we’re setting it in stone and going to watch them lose instead of going out and help the team win in order to teach a lesson”. If they do that and don’t sell, they’ll be doing serious harm to the brand and to their legacy as owners.
Can Nick or someone please post the link of what Brett said that got him banned. I’m tired of searching already.
Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
Some awesome NPB batflips for ya’ll
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Man, some of those would mean a pitch in the earhole in MLB.
G. Love
I’m torn. On the one hand it makes sense, but on the other, why do they need to do that?
The deal to sell an what will likely be 80% of YES to Newscorp should provide each of the four Steinbrenner children a sufficient revenue stream to satisfy whatever it is that really, really rich people do with their money.
If it’s true that a Dodger-like deal is out there for them, why should a $20 or $30 or even $50m expenditure on the team matter that much to them, when they will get it back many times over?
Maybe Hal sees virtually every other team in MLB spend far less and do fairly well on the field and wonders why he keeps having to write checks.
Yet he doesn’t seem to have the passion for the game.
Brett’s offending posts were deleted.
Rich,
It’s definitely hard to reconcile right now, although I think if we heard that they were putting the team up for sale no one would be surprised at this point.
I sometimes wonder if the Stein’s know life after Jeter & Mo isn’t going to pretty and they don’t want to deal with that.
That wouldn’t be an issue if they had some long range vision in the front office planning for that day.
The Braves lose Chipper Jones and they go out rebuild the franchise with your and high ceiling potential.
I’m not saying the Upton’s should’ve come here, but there’s an example of a team that saw their icon and the player who was their brand leave and they quickly and succinctly moved on while still developing and keeping the young guys they wanted to keep.
Well that sucks. I don’t like playing the he said, she said game. It bores me.
G. Love
What puzzles me about Hal is that there seems to be a disconnect between his rhetoric and the reality of the mL system as it currently stands.
I understand why he might think it’s time for the young players to start producing and his desire for that to happen at a time when he can save money by reducing the payroll with cost-controlled young players. He may have been sold on how the fruits of the development process are close at hand for years.
The problem is that anyone who has more than a passing familiarity with the Yankees’ farm system knows it’s not ready to be the talent pipeline it would need to be in 2014 unless they somehow pull off the equivalent of an inside straight.
Whether Hal is really smart, or just sort of intelligent, it’s unlikely that he is a complete idiot.
So why doesn’t he see that?
And if he doesn’t see that, maybe he doesn’t fully understand how ugly it will be.
Or, as you suggest, maybe it’s merely spin as he pairs back expenses to keep the balance sheet as clean as possible for a new owner.
I saw Brett’s posts, there were two jokes, one that involved a reference to wife beating and the other I don’t remember. They could be considered offensive, but I don’t consider them any more offensive than calling or insinuating that people are racists or bigots, which has happened several times here.
He told two jokes? Wow people need to lighten up.
“Can Nick or someone please post the link of what Brett said that got him banned. I’m tired of searching already.”
Lol u’ve searched that much? 1 anonymous poster out of hundreds on a Yankee blog got banned. Who cares. The world goes on. U need more to do bro
jacksquat, u and Bret would get along famously, lots of time spent chatting about how women are the weaker sex and all they should be allowed to do is cook and clean. I’m surprised you’re not the one b.itching about him being banned, I think u guys would be friends
Oh please, he told two jokes about women. Maybe he was in a fraternity or played on a sports team or both?
You think any of the Yankees ever tell jokes about women in the clubhouse?
I swear, what is the world coming too? Are they gonna ban farting on your little brother’s head next?
LOL JackSquat, wth? Clearly calling someone a racist or a bigot is as worse an insult as advocating violence against a woman you’re currently arguing with.
Seriously, dude, you’ve been digging a deep hole the past few days.
Some baseball players are rapists, lets not let that excuse impolite behavior because some MLB players may also do X.
Bret’s behavior regarding women and topics like that have been persistently weird or offensive, and the ‘joke’ he made was directed at a poster here, so consider it a culmination of bad behavior rather than being banned for a specific joke, if you’re in the mood to feel less ‘outraged’
Advocating violence against women? Woah, jacksquat said he told 2 jokes about women. As far as I know, jokes advocate laughter not violence.
I would like to see/hear these 2 jokes that he told to see what all the fuss is about, probably nothing…
That is a simplistic view of what ‘jokes’ do. Jokes may advocate laughter, but at the expense of someone or something. And they do not really advocate laughter in the broad sense, but they advocate an opinion about a topic which depending on the listener would then elicit laughter. For example, Bret’s jokes were about beating a woman who is acting out of turn, directed at a woman he is currently arguing with. Why would that be funny? Who would find that funny?
You probably think Chris Rock is not funny or Sasha Baren Cohen.
A call for violence is a pretty serious accusation. If you want to call for violence you don’t do it through a joke on a LOHUD blog. Ridiculous.
And advocating laughter “at the expense of someone or something” is not the same as calling for violence against something or somebody, unless you want it to mean that. And “directing” is a subjective term where you the reader are imparting motive on the poster.
And how do you know if the jokes were directed at a specific woman, a man or the LOHUD blog in general? How do you even know if Brett himself is a man or the supposed woman he directed the joke at a woman?
Could you even prove if he told the joke generally to the blog or specifically to one person? Didn’t you hear the joke? I mean, weren’t you in the same room? And jacksquat? and Nick? That makes 3, specific women he was directing the joke at. Did he private message the poster he supposedly directed the joke at or are you, shall we say making sh*t up Jerkface?
You’re going through an awful lot to defend a sexist joke. I know who the joke was directed at because I was there at the time it was made, reading the conversation it took place in, and also here for all of the after-math. The joke was directed at Yankeefeminista, who is a self described woman, and it doesn’t matter if in real life yankeefeminista is a woman or not. In that context, at that time, yankeefeminista is a she and Bret specifically went after her with a joke about beating women. Because we all know women find those things highly amusing.
And as for your first part, if you’re the type who makes jokes about beating women, or finds them intensely amusing, you are more likely to be on the side of the fence that thinks behavior like that is ok. You know the phrase, “the truth is often told in jest”? If you tell a bunch of sexist jokes, chances are you’re a sexist. IF you tell a bunch of racist jokes, chances are you’re a racist. If you tell a bunch of knock-knock jokes, chances are you got some knockers.
And is it true, as Nick in SF states, that just prior to these to jokes on LOHUD (masquerading as calls for violence against women in Jerkface/Patrick’s head), yankeefeminista insulted Brett the Hitman? So was he telling the joke to shrug off yankeefeminista or was he actually feeling hostility towards women? Maybe it’s you who were feeling hostility towards Brett the Hitman and his thinking? Could be.
What it boils down to is that, regardless of whether you have a huge, thick skin and are unperturbed by any kind of humor, or you find those kinds of jokes hilarious, is that LOHUD’s blog managers apparently don’t want it on the blog. Consistently misbehaving gets you a ban. Its simple as that.
I welcome you to go ahead and make a bunch of racist/sexist jokes that totally don’t advocate any stance against anyone and try your luck.
The chances of something being true and the certainty of it are two different things. The question is not whether Brett is sexist or not. The question is did he advocate violence against all women or did he advocate laughter at a specific self-described women’s expense in a room full of self described men?
That is not the question, and that you think that should be a question at all is hilarious and telling. It is bad for him if he is either.
Telling those specific 2 jokes was only bad in your opinion. And telling jokes (for general amusement or at a specific person or group’s expense), once again, is different than advocating violence.
theREALkevin January 28th, 2013 at 12:58 am
jacksquat, u and Bret would get along famously, lots of time spent chatting about how women are the weaker sex and all they should be allowed to do is cook and clean. I’m surprised you’re not the one b.itching about him being banned, I think u guys would be friends
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What in the world gave you that idea? Apparently you have misinterpreted my posts. You too Jerkface. You seem very anxious to not really read what I post and put a label on me. It’s like a witch hunt in here.
Telling jokes and advocating violence are only the same thing in a world wear you make sh*t up.
What is a joke about beating a woman if not advocating violence against women?
But I guess some people make a living off that (attorneys, insurance agents and the scam artists you find on craigslist)
You too Jerkface. You seem very anxious to not really read what I post and put a label on me. It’s like a witch hunt in here.
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It is hard to misinterpret that you find a joke about hitting a woman who is talking out of turn as offensive as being called a bigot as anything but… that. Being called a racist and saying or doing a racist thing are on completely different levels, man! Combined with your previous call for the real focus of diversity in sports to be about the lack of white people & basketball, and that you think the pendulum has ‘swung the other way’ in race. It doesn’t look good for you at all in these areas. You should probably avoid the topics completely.
How is a joke, any joke, regardless of the object a call for violence?
Jokes are only violent when an audience member imparts his own skewed interpretation on the joke. He was offended. Sure. Attacked? Hardly.
And who wrote the joke originally? Did Brett the Hitman write these 2 jokes or did he repeat them? And should we ban the comedian who wrote the joke, for life since he has spread his violence across LOHUD like a jihad?
You’re clearly not understanding, but imagine you’re in a war and the other side is of a specific ethnicity (or an alien race or whatever). Now imagine the popular humor at the time is to tell jokes about killing or hurting this opposing alien race. The jokes themselves are advocating violence towards them. Specifically can be a call to violence, and more importantly is a pervasive way for that attitude to be spread throughout your culture.
You only need to look at the USA for how pervasive sexism & racism can be. And specifically, in this instance, arguing with someone then out of nowhere directing a joke at them about domestic violence, what is that?
Lot of hot air there about wars and alien races.
Hm, you’re in crazy town, now. No, the comedian who came up with it should not be banned, unless they came on here and started telling their crappy jokes. Sexists, racists, homophobes, and whatever should not be blanket banned from anything unless they feel the need to spread their tired opinions to others.
“You only need to look at the USA for how pervasive sexism & racism can be.”
Barry, is that you?
Well all comedians are advocating violence obviously.
and here’s another hit; Barry Bonds
Well this has really taken a turn to the surreal, not the least of which because FiretheUMPIRE is the one that Mr. Prufrock suggested was actually Bret the Hitman.
Nick what were the 2 jokes?
Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 1:55 am
You too Jerkface. You seem very anxious to not really read what I post and put a label on me. It’s like a witch hunt in here.
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It is hard to misinterpret that you find a joke about hitting a woman who is talking out of turn as offensive as being called a bigot as anything but… that. Being called a racist and saying or doing a racist thing are on completely different levels, man! Combined with your previous call for the real focus of diversity in sports to be about the lack of white people & basketball, and that you think the pendulum has ‘swung the other way’ in race. It doesn’t look good for you at all in these areas. You should probably avoid the topics completely.
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Uh, once again you have totally misunderstood. My comment about calling people bigots and racists was directed at certain people on this blog inappropriately calling other people a “bigot” (happened today) and other people such as JAP, YF and yourself saying if you call latino players lazy you might be a racist. Really getting tired of that crap. Which is worse, sexist jokes or calling people bigots, I don’t know. Both have no place on this blog. Get it now?
Combined with your previous call for the real focus of diversity in sports to be about the lack of white people & basketball, and that you think the pendulum has ‘swung the other way’ in race.
Do you willfully twist my words, or just not read well? Or are just very anxious to judge anyone you says anything that has even a tiny chance of being misinterpreted as being sexist or racist?
I took a contrary position and asked why all the questions about the decline in numbers of african-americans in baseball but no one says a damn thing about lack of caucasians in basketball. I did NOT “call for the real focus of diversity in sports to be about the lack of white people & basketball”. Kindly stop twisting my words.
“sexist jokes or calling people bigots”
Don’t you mean jihadist calls for fire and fury?
Jerkface/Patrick never twists your words, he just bends them into pretzel shapes.
There weren’t two jokes, per se.
The first comment was more of an insult than a joke, but I guess you could describe it as an insult in the form of a joke, or vice versa.
The second was a joke that made light of violence against women. Bret the Hitman’s motive for telling it is open to interpretation. He told it in a comment that was ostensibly directed at me.
The Rashomon effect may be in play here.
So wait a second, he told the second joke with your name written in his post specifically? I really wish LOHUD would’ve preserved this joke.
And as for contrarian positions, I understand people like JAP, YF, JF and others may be used to just spewing out whatever is the standard liberal white paper on issues of gender/race/sexual preference, but as for:
It doesn’t look good for you at all in these areas. You should probably avoid the topics completely.
I will exercise my right to free speech (within the rules of the blog and as much as anyone else) and will not be stifled because you can’t think outside of a box.
What’s really funny is I have mostly very “liberal” thoughts on these issues, but wow if I express even one slightly contrarian vewpoint I get jumped by those who think they are the righteous!
There are no private messages here, aside from email. Whether my name was in the post or not, he put it up in this public forum.
And context or not, it’s up to the people that run the blog what to do about it. If you post something like that, you’re putting your fate here in someone else’s hands.
Ok, so LOHUD “management” (good one Patrick/Jerkface) permits insults specifically directed at individual posters at their own expense but bans jokes told in poor taste to the forum room’s general audience, meanwhile the antsy pantsy blog gurus and self proclaimed experts (really just blowhards inhaling the smell of their own farts) whine and badger Chad until he relents and just bans people because he’s tired of being nagged by the people who take this place called the internet, way to friggin seriously.
I think I got it. Cool.
oh that’s not it, it’s stho simplistic, that’s not it, you’re in crazy town boo hoo hoo
LoHud management doesn’t read all the comments here, or even most of them. For them to become aware of something it has to be brought to their attention. In Bret the Hitman’s case, lots of other comments were reported to them before the ones in question. I don’t know what those other comments were, so I can’t say anything about them.
“Crazy Town” was a great song by Velocity Girl, in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dra-P7f0-mQ
What kind of baseball fan wastes time reporting comments? One who takes the internet wayyyyy too seriously.
She sounds a little like Veruca Salt
Is it ok if I continue to make jokes about Chris Stewarts hitting ability?
Blake, u can make jokes about my hitting ability any time.
jmills says:
January 28, 2013 at 7:37 am
Blake, u can make jokes about my hitting ability any time.
Can you hit better than Chris Stewart ?
Nick in SF January 28th, 2013 at 2:36 am
LoHud management doesn’t read all the comments here, or even most of them. For them to become aware of something it has to be brought to their attention.
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Maybe Lohud should have someone to overlook the comments and get rid of the obvious trolls.
Only in a leap year.
I don’t get the troll thing and will come here because of great minds that show me stuff.
There are great minds here?
“You only need to look at the USA for how pervasive sexism & racism can be.”
JF, I generally sympathize with your feelings about sexism and racism, but I sometimes think you carry it a bit too far and see both of those in far too many corners where they don’t exist. It almost smacks of a kind of McCarthyism. I’m not accusing you of that. I’m merely saying that, probably without realizing it, you vilify a lot of people that, IMHO, in no way, shape or form, are racists or sexists.
I’m speaking here of Jacksquat, but it I can remember when you were even casting Blake, of all people, in that light.
As for accusing America of being the epitome of racism or sexism, well I can’t really say. There certainly is plenty of it, to be sure. However maybe it would be instructive to cast your net far wider. Like Africa, for example, where Hutus kill Tutsis and vise-versa because of their race. Where tribe battles tribe because of racism. The same is true of Arabs tribes (though that may involve religion as much or more.) Have you ever visited Brazil? A multi-ethnic country where lots of light skinned blacks look down upon darker skin blacks.
Oh, and I know you are partial to Japanese players (and I like many of them too!), and mince no words calling out people who make any remarks that you feel are racist. So please include the vast amount of racism that exists in Japan, where Koreans and other foreigners are looked down upon by many if not most Japanese. And lets not forget their barbaric treatment of Korea and China in the WWII.
Racism is by no means an America only problem.
If you asked Oscar Peterson when he was alive, he’d tell you, a lot of things were and ain’t all that rosy in Canada.
Blake, yep, there are great minds here IMHO; I’m trying to become one of ‘em but probably run the risk of boring everybody
jmills says:
January 28, 2013 at 8:27 am
Blake, yep, there are great minds here IMHO; I’m trying to become one of ‘em but probably run the risk of boring everybody
See I don’t understand what you’re talking about half the time so it must be more complicated than I can grasp
Blake, probably not as I think I can be highly nonsensicle
jmills says:
January 28, 2013 at 8:32 am
Blake, probably not as I think I can be highly nonsensicle
You can’t use big words around me
Blake, ok, I can be your monosyllabic wonder
jmills is a fake account. I’ve been saying so for a while and all you gotta do is read through his posts last night.
I need JF in here btw.. I wanted to ask him about that list again.
I wonder what today’s guest post will be…. GLove should really write one. His comments are getting longer and longer by the day
Shame, I’m not a fake account. I might be an idiot sometimes but I am not a fake account.
yanks61-
on an off topic subject.
i’ve been watching the french police drama series “Engrenages” or Spirals on netflix.
just curious, what’s the french reaction to that show?
is that an accurate portrayal of the french police/legal system with the fact it’s obviously a tv show and made for entertainment purposes?
jmills is not a fake account. That FiretheUmpire, however…. that guy is someone other than who I thought he was, and if I told you, you’d never believe it… but eerily, it adds up. Very eerily.
Anyway, I’m done with this stuff. It was a fire deliberately started to create the kind of drama this place doesn’t need to run smoothly.
Good morning.
Are we there yet ?
BA’s top 31:
We had the top 10 already; here’s the additional 11-31. Kind of strange list. Some mlb-ready players combined with young un’s. I agree about JR being ahead of Romine, which I had said myself a few days ago. etc.
1. Mason Williams, of
2. Slade Heathcott, of
3. Gary Sanchez, c
4. Tyler Austin, of
5. Jose Campos, rhp
6. Brett Marshall, rhp
7. Angelo Gumbs, 2b
8. Manny Banuelos, lhp
9. Ty Hensley, rhp
10. Rafael De Paula, rhp
11. Mike Montgomery
12. Ramon Flores
13. Bryan Mitchell
14. Nik Turley
15. JR Murphy
16. Jose Ramirez
17. Austin Romine
18. Melky Mesa
19. Dellin Betances
20, Austin Aune
21. Dante Bichette Jr
22. Greg Bird
23. David Adams
24. Adam Warren
25. Corey Black
26. Matt Tracy
27. Corban Joseph
28. Cito Culver
29. Tom Kahnle
30. Gabe Encinas
31. Ravel Santana
And J-Ram is low. I think he will be in the top ten this year. Ditto, DePaula moving up. and Gallegos being added…
MTU, would that we were there… This place needs a hobby.
Yankeefem – no Anderson Feliz??? Thumbs down on that, but that won’t last long.
Well, that’s my contribution. Good morning and good day, all.
YF-
Good morning. Hope he ankle continues to heal well.
Should be an interesting MiLB season. Might even be more interestng than what the ML team does.
Shame, Pruf I think it was clear who the fake account last night was.
Santana is a pretty talented #31
new post ——>
Good morning, MTU! Thanks, I am getting there. I am pumped for minor league games, for sure. However, we’ll see quite a few of those kids in ST, including Sanchez who I am hoping gets some televised games. Austin and a number of the young bullpen arms.
MTU, I’m a long ways from being there. Shame, I have no issue with you. Maybe I’ve upset some people and if so, sorry.
@BillShaikin: #Dodgers and Time Warner Cable officially announce TV deal.
Is cano a dodger yet?
An offset to this is a true story that happened when I was still a law student, very early on. I guess I brought my rose-colored glasses to that venture too because I was stunned silent by what happened. The head of the public defenders office came to talk to us about working for the PD. I went to speak to him privately afterward and (naively as it turned out) asked him if it would bother him if he found out that he had gotten someone off who was actually guilty. He looked me like I had two heads and said that he estimated 98% of the clients who came to him were guilty. I then even more naively asked him if it bothered him to sleep at night knowing he defended a guilty client. He said not at all. And then turned his back on me and talked to someone else.
I know it can become a slippery slope because every accused has the right to a vigorous defense and the guaranteed constitutional protections. But candor to the tribunal is part of the Model Rules, and knowingly defending someone who is guilty and getting them off is not candor to the tribunal. But again, we both know that it happens every day of the week.
You may not agree with my opinion, but I hope you can at least respect it.
austin, the last time a nation-wide survey was taken, lawyers were either at or near the bottom of the “most respected professions”. What do you think the reason is for that? I am giving you my opinion and how I feel. You may not agree with it, but since you asked some questions, I will tell you my feelings. It’s my truth, and you can’t take it away from me. I have no respect whatsoever for attorneys who go into court and say whatever they have to in order to get their clients off. They know damned well that the client is guilty as sin, but if they can find loopholes they do it. We both know they exist and clutter the courthouses every day of the week. To me they are as much scum as the people they are representing. If there are defense attorneys out there who are defending clients who are innocent, of course they have my respect. If you listened to the Clemens hearings, there was a lot of information that the jury did not hear. But we the public heard it
.) I felt the same way about OJ’s Dream Team. Kardashian later came out and said he believed OJ was guilty. By the way, I feel the same way about government prosecutors or plaintiff’s attorneys who withhold the truth or commit any kind of fraud. My feeling is, though, that it’s a lot more prevalent with defense attorneys. But I detest any kind of falsity put forward in an attempt to win a case. I would never do it and I’ve never done it.
. And a lot of it was damning to Clemens, but the judge decided it couldn’t come in, for legally defensible reasons. I acknowledge that. But it doesn’t mean the evidence doesn’t exist. Hardin was everywhere with his defense, and anytime something incriminating showed up, he had a newly-minted story about why it was irrelevant to the case. You may consider him an excellent defense attorney – and by definition of getting his client off, I guess he would be. I consider him a hired gun and a prost*tute. (I absolutely believe he knew Clemens used steroids. As I said, some of the evidence he managed to keep out was extremely damning.)