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Week in review: Jeter’s ankle, Robertson’s contract, Pettitte’s decision

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 27, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I feel like I’ve written this before, and it remains perfectly true: I rarely notice uniform numbers. I know that Jeter is No. 2, and Mariano is No. 42, but if you go too far beyond the obvious name-number combinations, I really have to think about it to put the two together.

Further proof that there are endless ways to enjoy this game.

This morning, Vincent wrote all about numbers. Not sabermetrics, but the numbers on the players’ backs, including Shelley Duncan wearing No. 17 when he made his big league debut in 2007. I covered Shelley in the minors that season, and I was paying quite a bit of attention when he got to the big leagues, but there’s no chance I could have told you what number he was wearing. None.

Some baseball fans want to see superstars, and some prefer on-the-rise prospects. Some have legitimate opinions on Class-A utility infielders, and some had never heard of Melky Mesa until he failed to step on third base last season. Some watch games on TV, some listen on radio, and some follow along online while they engage in conversations on forums and blogs (we like those folks!). Some study the game’s history, some worry about the future, and some just like the hats.

Baseball makes room for all types of fans. It’s one of the great things about the game.  

Another great thing about the game, at least in my position: Media guides. Thanks to my latest copy, here are some other obscure recent names who wore the numbers Vincent mentioned.

11 – Chris Widger, Morgan Ensberg
17 – Justin Christian, Kevin Cash, Chad Moeller
19 – Chris Basak, Kevin Thompson, Tyler Clippard
22 – Colin Curtis, Chad Huffman, Brian Gordon, Greg Golson
33 – Kelly Stinnett, Brian Bruney

• In an interview with MLB Network, Derek Jeter said he doesn’t expect to start running until spring training, but he still fully expects to be ready for Opening Day. “(The ankle) feels good now,” Jeter said. “Right where I feel it should be.”

• Brian Cashman creating a minor stir when he acknowledged on radio that Alex Rodriguez could miss the entire season if his recovery from hip surgery doesn’t go as expected. Also, the Daily News reported that a Rodriguez associate is being investigated in connection to performance enhancing drugs.

• The Yankees avoided arbitration with Dave Robertson, signing him to a one-year, $3.1-million deal. He was their last arbitration-eligible player without a contract.

• Joe Torre told reporters that there’s still a chance Andy Pettitte will pitch in the World Baseball Classic. According to Torre, Team USA wants Pettitte but the Yankees have expressed some discomfort in letting him play.

• The Yankees agreed to a minor league deal with left-handed first baseman Dan Johnson. He could have a chance to win regular at-bats as a designated hitter. The Yankees also signed right-handed outfielder Thomas Neal to a minor league deal with an invitation to big league camp.

• Speaking of minor leaguers coming to big league camp, Tyler Austin announced in an interview that he’s been invited to big league camp. The Yankees have yet to announce a full list of non-roster invitees.

• Yogi Berra and Joba Chamberlain were each honored at the annual B.A.T. dinner in New York.

• Several potential fits came off the board: Outfielder Justin Upton was traded to the Braves, catcher George Kottaras was claimed by the Royals, outfielder Jeff Baker signed a minor league deal with the Rangers, catcher Yorvit Torrealba signed a minor league deal with the Rockies, outfielder Scott Hairston signed a two-year deal with the Cubs and outfielder Delmon Young signed a one-year deal with the Phillies. Mark DeRosa, Ryan Raburn and Ben Francisco also signed last week.

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393 Responses to “Week in review: Jeter’s ankle, Robertson’s contract, Pettitte’s decision”

  1. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    will feel a whole lot better watching Jeter on the field in ST running around without a limp & pain free….

  2. comnsnse January 27th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Randy L., this is but another example of the difficulty for the writer to post anything resembling something that warrants actual discussion.

    The irony for the Yanks is,with a 200+ million dpllar payroll they may not make even the playoffs!

    Austerity not only will not work in this case,but will likely degrade the brand thereby reducing the value of same.

  3. blake January 27th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    “If that Castellanos guy in Detroit pans out and becomes a productive major leaguer that’s going to be a tough one to live down since left side of the IF was a glaring issue with the age of the guys we have.”

    Mike Olt was drafted after culver also that year…..it’s hard to be too critical of things like this because the draft is such a crap shoot to some degree….but it’s not 100% a crap shoot. It really hurts that the Yanks need a 3B and RH bat going forward so bad and 2 players they could have drafted have flown through and are close to the bigs.

    Nobody bats 1.000 in the draft….but the Yanks have to start getting more of the Castellanos and Olts when they have a chance to

  4. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    And they have to stop the smartest guy in room/over reach theory.

  5. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/l.....#038;rel=0

    ” Sign of the Gypsy Queen,” – very good rendition by, April Wine.

  6. tucker January 27th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Well, they did draft Mason Williams in the fourth round of the 2010 draft, and he is looking like a first round talent. Hopefully Gumbs shows his potential this year, too.

    I’m curious whether they took City Culver due to signability reasons. He wanted to be a Yankee, and they figured they could sign him on the relative cheap.

  7. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Hi, Tucker, great to see you! Everything around here is A #1!!!

  8. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    The Yankees have to stop making their first round draft pick dependent upon an easy signing like the generally agreed upon reaches for Culver and Bichette. Cole has scared them off high upside, difficult sign guys.

    When no one considers a player to be a first round pick, maybe the team should re-think it.

  9. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Keith Moon, rules! :D

  10. tucker January 27th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    Jmills, saw your post on analog vs. digital Rush yesterday … I’m personally fond of the early releases: Fly by Night, Caress of Steel, 2112 … Though, as far as the synthesizer years, Power Windows was a nice effort.

  11. tucker January 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Mac, it will be interesting to see how the Yanks handle the draft next year with the extra picks after letting Swisher and Soriano leave. They will have extra money from those extra picks, even if they don’t sign those picks. Do they use the extra money to pursue a signability prospect or do they play it safe with three guys they know they can sign (their first rounder and the two supplemental first rounders.)

  12. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    Shame,

    Extending Jeter does not work at this point. An extension is essentially a new contract with 1 caveat. You receive credits or debits based on how much luxury tax hit you took vs actual physical payroll under the previous contract.

    So in this case, you’d still have to eat the 6 million difference.

  13. Nilsson January 27th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    I don’t know what the decision making was that led to drafting Cito Culver. First round picks, especially later in that round, are very hit and miss. It’s works like a random process for the people making the decisions.

    I do know that the 2011 draft is looking promising so far. You pick up Mason Williams and Tyler Austin in the later rounds, plus Gumbs. That’s damn good. You gotta look at the whole draft board for a given year.

  14. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Tucker, hi, Rush tried to orchestrated ( not as good as the Corrs ) with Power Windows – I’m with Alex, let’s get back to power chords!

  15. Nilsson January 27th, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Make that the 2010 draft. I like it better than the 2011 version so far.

  16. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Angus Young is sans comparison.

  17. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Caress of Steel is my #1 Rush album of all time, bar none.

  18. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax January 27th, 2013 at 3:38 pm

    2011 draft has a Mark Montgomery, Branden Pinder, and Greg Bird – not bad – - – -

  19. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    I’m in the process of designing an F1 circuit. It has to have a couple of straight aways in fifth gear along with 2 slow downs like u can’t believe.

  20. Nilsson January 27th, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    I’m hoping/expecting Montgomery to get an invite to spring training in a few weeks. That kid has some skills.

    I suppose the moral of this story is anytime you can groom at least one big league regular player from a draft class, regardless where he’s picked, then it’s actually a successful draft.

  21. jacksquat January 27th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Joe Torre told reporters that there’s still a chance Andy Pettitte will pitch in the World Baseball Classic. According to Torre, Team USA wants Pettitte but the Yankees have expressed some discomfort in letting him play.

    Joe, keep your hands off our pitchers.

  22. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    Tucker,

    The signing money limit makes it tricky. This is not supposed to be a strong draft so they could go either way. I do like to try for the high upside rather than easy signs. Also, while I understand it is faster to get to the bigs to draft relievers, I think they need infielders and starting pitchers.

  23. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    Jmills,

    You are invited down to the new F1 track in my town. It is a very cool track. It will be interesting to see the other racing uses.

  24. RadioKev January 27th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    blake January 27th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
    “If that Castellanos guy in Detroit pans out and becomes a productive major leaguer that’s going to be a tough one to live down since left side of the IF was a glaring issue with the age of the guys we have.”

    Mike Olt was drafted after culver also that year…..it’s hard to be too critical of things like this because the draft is such a crap shoot to some degree….but it’s not 100% a crap shoot. It really hurts that the Yanks need a 3B and RH bat going forward so bad and 2 players they could have drafted have flown through and are close to the bigs.

    Nobody bats 1.000 in the draft….but the Yanks have to start getting more of the Castellanos and Olts when they have a chance to
    ——-

    And they got Mason Williams after both of those guys went, right? That’s a pretty good draft. This is the way things shake out.

    I think you can be critical of Culver to some extent, because he was such a dark horse pick. Still, his career is hardly over. We’ll see how it all plays.

  25. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Austin, thanks! The, Nordmende radio is working now and again by the way.

  26. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Nilsson,

    I obviously have no facts, but coupling getting burned by Cole and the pick of Culver, an easy sign, that was universally panned seems to suggest extreme caution.

    I don’t pretend any expertise in the draft and I completely agree it is a crapshoot.

    Of corse, the crapshoot angle makes it more foolish to lose Granderson, Cano and Hughes for a draft pick, assuming they make them a tender offer.

  27. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Very cool about the radio.

    The F1 crowd was amazingly upscale. The money of the teams and fan base is astounding. That is particularly true for a town whose motto is to “Keep Austin Weird.”

  28. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    We r getting an F1 capable track plus a NASCAR appropriate oval in Eerie by ’14.

  29. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Ayrton Senna, was , well, Ayrton Senna, but I choose Gilles!!!!!

  30. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    I didn’t realize I was so patriotic. I have a small Canadian flag in my yard along with a big Irish thing. Next perspicacious is an American # :)

  31. theREALkevin January 27th, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Stoneburner – The Return of Wax says:
    January 27, 2013 at 3:38 pm
    2011 draft has a Mark Montgomery, Branden Pinder, and Greg Bird – not bad – – – -

    —————————————-

    You think those 3 guys constitutes a good draft?

  32. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Jmills,

    I didn’t know that about the track. Not surprised.

  33. Nilsson January 27th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    Nilsson,

    I obviously have no facts, but coupling getting burned by Cole and the pick of Culver, an easy sign, that was universally panned seems to suggest extreme caution.

    I don’t pretend any expertise in the draft and I completely agree it is a crapshoot.

    Of corse, the crapshoot angle makes it more foolish to lose Granderson, Cano and Hughes for a draft pick, assuming they make them a tender offer.

    ————————————————————————————————–

    Regarding the Culver selection and why they made it, perhaps they overreached with the pick, not because of extreme caution, but out of desperate need? Culver plays a premium position that’s incredibly lacking in the organization right now. Maybe that had more to do with this pick than the backlash from the Cole episode. Who knows.

    There’s also another thing with the draft. There’s always two schools of thought clashing in MLB, hard-nosed statistics vs. old-school scouting. Amateur drafting is one area where you really have to rely on scouting. Perhaps the internal scouting reports liked Culver a lot. Again, there are many reasons for drafting certain players. Often it’s not one thing.

  34. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    I hope F1 stays in Montreal for Gilles.

  35. blake January 27th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    “And they got Mason Williams after both of those guys went, right? That’s a pretty good draft. This is the way things shake out.”

    Sure…..but when you go off the radar for your top pick and two years later the guy still has a noodle bat it looks like they tried to outsmart the room with that pick and it flopped…..like I said….nobody bats 1.000 in the draft….heck battin .300 in the draft is probably good…..

  36. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    The issue isn’t drafting Cito Culver, it is where you draft Cito Culver. Especially when that draft was uncapped and not yet under the new draft regulations that really screw the team.
    They took safe picks in the first round in all the drafts following Cole’s non-sign. Safe picks were: Guys not universally ranked to go anywhere near that spot who will sign for slot or below.

  37. blake January 27th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    The yanks went off the board two years in a row with their first picks….Culver and Dante literally were on nobody’s top 100 list going into the draft. That doesn’t mean baseball America etc knows more than the Yankees do of course….but if you reach for guys with your first pick that nobody else is that high on then you need those guys to pan out….otherwise you wonder about the evaluation a bit….both guys are young though so we will see

  38. blake January 27th, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    Yes….they may have been able to draft both Culver and Dante later and somebody more mainstream with their first picks.

    In 2011 they pass on Josh Bell and Daniel Norris (both ranked pretty high but had signability concerns) and drafted Dante instead.

  39. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    Watching Tiger Woods this afternoon (no choice). The skills are returning, but there’s no joy there anymore. Hard to root for him, not that I ever did.

  40. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    austinmac, which of the following would you say more closely matches your current 2014 thoughts: that you don’t know how the Yankees can field a competitive team in 2014 or that you don’t think there’s a way the Yankees can field a competitive team in 2014?

  41. blake January 27th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Tigers swing looks the best it’s looked in years

  42. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    blake,
    You are correct, but the only emotion he shows is pissed off.

  43. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    a Pedicure & Chamomile Tea would set me straight right about now

  44. blake January 27th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Doing a fantasy draft today and we are 7 rds in and Tex hasn’t even been picked yet…..sad

  45. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    I would be pissed off too if it wasn’t even 2:30 p.m. yet in California and I’d already lost wagers on soccer games in Holland, Spain, and Chile.

    Oh wait, that’s not Tiger, that’s me. :oops:

  46. blake January 27th, 2013 at 5:16 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    January 27, 2013 at 5:12 pm
    blake,
    You are correct, but the only emotion he shows is pissed off.

    Yea….. He doesn’t really seem to enjoy playing

  47. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Did he ever really enjoy playing though?

  48. blake January 27th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    January 27, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    I would be pissed off too if it wasn’t even 2:30 p.m. yet in California and I’d already lost wagers on soccer games in Holland, Spain, and Chile.

    That’s what you get for watchingbetting on soccer ;)

  49. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Nick,
    Probably better to bet on Tiger the Lifeless.

  50. blake January 27th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Against All Odds says:
    January 27, 2013 at 5:17 pm
    Did he ever really enjoy playing though?

    I think so yea….I mean he’s always been serious and treated it like work but he just seems joyless now

  51. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Soccer is a dangerous but interesting sport to wager, with the tie being a possible outcome along with the win and the loss. Not for the faint of heart.

    Oh, and I forgot Scotland in my list of countries in which I picked losers today. Celtic is the only quality team in the SPL and has been crushing its opposition later, yet lost outright to St. Mirren today in a League Cup match. You just never know.

  52. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    “Hard to root for him, not that I ever did.”

    yeah, i can see rooting for an incredibly talented kid of color kid breaking into an almost all white sport would be a stretch for you.

  53. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    Tiger Woods should retire with Gretzky and be done with it.

  54. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    “Did he ever really enjoy playing though?”

    some of you are effing morons

  55. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    I think Golf was an obsession for T as he was coming up, I think that passion has lessen as he won , won and won.

  56. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 5:25 pm

    randy,
    Stuff it.

  57. comnsnse January 27th, 2013 at 5:27 pm

    With respect to drafting either at the domestic or international level,the Yankees have not fared well for years.

    I believe the BA ranking of 11 is a serious over reach.

    My point was/is,when does someone fall on their sword.

    Other than Cano,what has this system produced as a significant major league player since the core group of the 90′s? Without the big spending this has been a very lackluster decade +!

  58. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Nick, can you bet on a game being tied?

  59. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    tomingeorgia-

    its obvious who you are.

    you can;’t play golf. you don’t know shT about it.

    you’re bigoted and you ought to just STFU.

  60. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Hi Tom, hope u have something acceptable in the oven. Nothing much happening here beyond the Corrs doing, Jimi Hendrix’, ” Little Wing “. )

  61. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Other than Cano,what has this system produced as a significant major league player since the core group of the 90?s?

    Ajax, Kennedy and Montero just off the top of my head.

  62. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 5:30 pm

    Thanks for the info, JF. Can you explain what you mean by the $6 million difference? I’m just a little confused on the numbers, because I thought if he opted out it automatically costs them $9 mil? Sorry! Remember I’m female and do my best to reinforce stereotypes regarding women and math ;)

    I can’t wait until a golfer is caught using PEDs. At least then the sport would be more interesting..

  63. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    I’ve talked to Tom a lot, and I never knew him once to be a bigot.

  64. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    “Nick, can you bet on a game being tied?”

    Yes, and I often hedge wagers with the tie. But if you bet on a team to win and hedge a bit with the tie and then the team loses, you’ve just lost both wagers.

  65. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    The Culver and Bichette moves were disappointing.. they need to be smarter in the draft. Especially if they’re just going to keep giving up free agents for nothing. They need to make those picks count.

  66. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Gotha, basically extra risk you have to take.

  67. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    jmills-

    i din’t say anything with the n word bs he was running his mouth on the other day, but enough is enough.

  68. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Excellent long-distance analysis. randy. Used to shoot close to scratch (before I lost interest), and I rooted for Calvin Peete, who was a year or so older than I, the man who broke the barrier. Keep it to yourself.

  69. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    jmills-

    why would anyone who likes the game of golf not root for the young tiger woods coming out of the amateur ranks and going into the pro game ?

    there’s one reason use your head.

  70. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    on a late Sunday afternoon after a nice meal I’ll put golf on …puts me to sleep faster

  71. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    tomingeorgia-

    sorry, tired of your BS .

    you’re incredibly easy to see through.

    that n word crap the other day you were spouting was incredibly patronizing.

  72. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Randy, if I’m wrong, kick my teeth in.

  73. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Honestly, I’ve never heard anything but good out of Tom.

  74. Nilsson January 27th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Around this time last year, Bichette Jr was already ranked the top GCL prospect by Baseball America. They even had him as a cover boy prior to the start of last season. Now, he’s a has-been. Ah, the life of a baseball prospect.

  75. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    You would have been better off not saying anything today too, randy.

    What you posted at 5:24 and 5:28 was worse than what Bret the Hitman got banned for. And then 5:36 for the hat trick. Very nicely done.

  76. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    “Did he ever really enjoy playing though?”

    some of you are effing morons

    ——————–

    It’s an honest question he wouldn’t be the first athlete to play a sport they didn’t love.

  77. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    jmills,
    Thanks.

  78. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Nilsson January 27th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
    Around this time last year, Bichette Jr was already ranked the top GCL prospect by Baseball America. They even had him as a cover boy prior to the start of last season. Now, he’s a has-been. Ah, the life of a baseball prospect.

    ——————————

    Yea I think it’s a little to early to dump Dante

  79. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Tom, no problem, you’re the man! :D

  80. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    that bad 3 letter word is creeping into the weather forecast for western ct…..

  81. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    It’s not really about dumping on Bichette or assuming he has no baseball future.. it’s just that his upside was never as high as that of other prospects.

  82. yankeefeminista January 27th, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    What you posted at 5:24 and 5:28 was worse than what Bret the Hitman got banned for.
    _____
    Nick, you mean making light of violence against women. Great to know where you stand on that.

  83. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
    It’s not really about dumping on Bichette or assuming he has no baseball future.. it’s just that his upside was never as high as that of other prospects.

    ———————————————
    back when they would have talk this kid up as the 2nd coming then trade him….thats changed also

  84. yankeefeminista January 27th, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    It’s a little premature to give up on Cito and Bichette. Hope to see them both put it together this year. It’ll be interesting to see how all the off season attention Yanks have paid working on Cito’s swing path plays out.

  85. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Hi, yankeefeminista. I know the context in which Bret the Hitman posted what he posted, unlike most of the folks here. I thought it was inappropriate, just as his previous comment about you was inappropriate, and I said you. It was probably inappropriate for you to question Bret’s intelligence, but people do that kind of stuff all the time here, so you’re in good company.

  86. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 6:03 pm

    “and I said you”

    And I said so, that is.

  87. mick January 27th, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Nothing gets by Mr Nick. He’s the Mayor and moral conscience of the LoHud.

  88. mick January 27th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    YF-Still wondering when your Dad played at the Stadium?

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    Well, hell – I thought it odd and potentially, offensive, to express seeming envy that a certain segment “gets” to use the “N” word.

    Maybe tom didn’t intend this, but it sounded as though he viewed using that word as a kind of privilege or something.

    Why would anyone want to use that incredibly hate-mongering, soul-killing word?

    It’s not hard to see why someone might have a problem with that.

    Gay people call each other “queen” and “f*g” too – they do it to turn a demeaning epithet to ironic use and self-empowerment.

    Any one with any sense could see why gays “get” to use that word, but also why YOU don’t “get” to use it against them.

  90. mick January 27th, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Tom- Did you use the N word?

  91. yankeefeminista January 27th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Nick, so you mean I made Bret say violent things about women. Got it. Just keep underplaying what he said.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Brett the Hitman: Lohud Martyr.

    Don’t worry, he’s still among us ;) You just have to know how to look for him.

  93. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Mr. mick and JAP.
    I did not, and never did, use that word. JAP, perhaps I should have said “may use that word without censure”, for the parsers out there.

  94. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    “Nick, so you mean I made Bret say violent things about women. Got it. Just keep underplaying what he said.”

    No, I don’t mean that in the least. So you don’t get it. And I am not underplaying or overplaying what he said. I know what he said.

    And no, Mr. Prufrock, I don’t think Bret the Hitman is a martyr. randy’s comments don’t make Bret’s any better. As for Bret still being among us, I don’t know about that. It could be. I kind of thought FiretheUMPIRE was a different banned commenter, but I don’t know either way. You could be right.

  95. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    I like, Paul …….Molitar.

  96. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Mr. mick and JAP.
    I did not, and never did, use that word. JAP, perhaps I should have said “may use that word without censure”, for the parsers out there.
    ///

    tom, I believe I left some latitude that you may not have intended how what you said came off; only you know for sure what’s in your heart.

    I understand why Randy took offense. And I’d get used to the “parsers” when it comes to loaded words like this; we have them to thank for the world changing.

    And I don’t know about you – I don’t, indeed; but I, for one, think the world is a much better place that we have to speak with more care, lest we wound someone.

  97. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    starting a new character on MLB2k12, again i been traded away from the Yanks…*(*&(*(*~ ! I might just sign on with the bosox and destroy the Yanks, a tale of spurned love, stay tune…

  98. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    Tom, I never knew u to converse anything derogatory. Go, ” Betty Blue 37.2 degrees!!!

  99. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Alfred, Tomingeorgia is a friend of mine.

  100. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    @ Cash is the game good?

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    And no, Mr. Prufrock, I don’t think Bret the Hitman is a martyr. randy’s comments don’t make Bret’s any better. As for Bret still being among us, I don’t know about that. It could be. I kind of thought FiretheUMPIRE was a different banned commenter, but I don’t know either way. You could be right.
    ///

    Nick, you hate Randy. That’s of no interest to me. Randy took offense at something that was offensive. Tom explicated what he claims his true intent was.

    But Randy taking offense at something that was ambiguous at best, and Brett the Hitman making jokes about giving women black eyes…. c’mon.

    The one was a protest against bigotry; you may think it was overzealous, but maybe he didn’t feel that way – or maybe he’s more offended by such things?

    The other was possibly the worst comment Hitman has ever made, but just one of many by that poster that advocated using and mistreating women.

    Terrible call.

  102. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    I don’t know about that. It could be. I kind of thought FiretheUMPIRE was a different banned commenter, but I don’t know either way. You could be right.

    ——————————

    There seems to be a lot of different banned users on here almost daily.

  103. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    JAP,
    I agree, precision in speech and writing is important. My comments about the word were in response to a post asking about the use of the word in this day, and the only time I’ve heard it used here was in the example I cited. That’s all.

  104. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    AoA, pretty similar to 11. but pitching is harder from a hitter perspective (ump calls the corner strike all the time). I been playing the career mode, but i have yet to try ‘Franchise Mode’ which enable you to be the GM and player at the same time.

    great game though, i recommend it during off season.

  105. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    I had a woman once who could give u black pies like u can’t believe!

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:28 pm

    JAP,
    I agree, precision in speech and writing is important. My comments about the word were in response to a post asking about the use of the word in this day, and the only time I’ve heard it used here was in the example I cited. That’s all.
    ///

    tom, I’m glad you feel that way. My point was not to judge you, but to say I understood Randy’s response, since he was being demonized.

    Any way, I’ll leave the bloodsport to others.

  107. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Tom, No need to worry, u served honourably in Nam. I can’t believe veterans aren’t treated better.

  108. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    No, I do not hate randy. It shouldn’t be of any interest to you because it’s not true.

    It’s quite possible to disagree with what someone says without hating them. I don’t think there’s anyone here that I hate, in fact. Hate is a pretty strong emotion.

    Saying that one hasn’t rooted for Tiger Woods is not ambiguous; it’s innocuous.

    Were you lurking here the night that Bret the Hitman made his comments? Or are you relying on what someone else has told you?

  109. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 6:36 pm

    not rooting for tiger woods in 1996 was pretty much like not rooting for jackie robinson in 1947.

    the golf world was for all practical purposes a caucasian game.

    understand that there was written “caucasian only” clause in golf until 1961.

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    Nick,

    I know this stuff gets your blood going. It doesn’t mine. I saw you taking what I thought was a shot and others piling on, so I gave my take.

    That’s about my threshold for this kind of thing. Sorry :)

  111. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    JAP,
    Except those who thought the Montero trade was OK!

  112. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Jack Nicklaus! – I’m sure Tom has no problem with whoever wins.

  113. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    What Tiger Woods faced on tour in 1997 was the same as what Jackie Robinson faced in 1947?

    Really?

    And the reasonable conclusion to draw is that not rooting for him made/makes one bigoted?

  114. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Thanks for the breakdown. I haven’t played a baseball game I liked since 2k8. Maybe I’ll check it out

  115. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Here comes , Elvis – comeback.

  116. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    jmills,
    Always rooted for Arnie,, then Nicklaus, then anyone one else. Player was, and is. a stick.

  117. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    AoA, mlb13 is coming out in March, check it out then. I play it during winter when I am home, very entertaining esp when there is nothing going on in Yankeeland this whole off season practically.

  118. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Mr. Prufrock, you overstate it when you say my blood is going. It’s conversation with and about members of this little community.

    The “shot” I took was that I think it’s way over the line of reasonable discourse here to post what randy posted and it makes this place worse. That doesn’t mean that I hate him.

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    JAP,
    Except those who thought the Montero trade was OK!
    ///

    Hey tom,

    I think you’ve trolled me for about a year now. It’s a wonder I’m even polite to you, really.

    This is a baseball site; it’s not always going to reflect your demand that it be ice cream castles and sugar plum fairies in pinstripes.

    I don’t like a trade they made and I’ve not cared for their direction for some times now. If you want to take that personally, that is your problem; not mine.

  120. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    “And the reasonable conclusion to draw is that not rooting for him made/makes one bigoted?”

    in 1996 in that pro golf world for a golfer or golf fan?

    pretty much.

  121. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    I had a 3 wood – Gary Player

  122. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Nick, I’m wondering if you’ve ever addressed me about the Yankees? If so, I could probably count the times on one hand.

    That’s about all I want to discuss with you. We’ve already exhausted Elvis’ oeuvre by now.

  123. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Are you counting your previous identity, of just post-Prufrock?

  124. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
    AoA, mlb13 is coming out in March, check it out then. I play it during winter when I am home, very entertaining esp when there is nothing going on in Yankeeland this whole off season practically.

    ——————————

    Hey why not since we can be the GM of the Yankees might as well play GM in a video. I always played the franchise mode. Putting together a team was fun.

  125. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    or just post-Prufrock, that is.

  126. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Elvis is great, and I’m not even particularly a Presley fan.

  127. Tar January 27th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    On a lighter note how’s that Georgia Bulldog BB team doing Tom?

  128. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    @Deadspin

    Federal and state authorities investigating son of doctor who prescribed Manny Ramirez female fertility drug: http://deadsp.in/GvZX1VK

    It seems serious in here..let’s go back to a debate about PEDs and start discussing Manny taking lady drugs.

  129. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Shame,

    The reason jeter costs 9 is because there is a 3 mil buyout combined with a 6 mil difference between taxed vs paid. So it adds together for 2014 to become 9. Presumably if you extend jeter you would remove the 3 mil buyout so you’d be left with the 6 mil difference that would still impact you.

  130. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    A quote from the Deadspin article:

    “His most famous client, Alex Rodriguez, has already had issues with performance-enhancing drugs so his connection—Bosch served as an advisor on “nutrition, supplements and blood analysis”—isn’t unexpected. And it could be that Brian Cashman knew more than he let on when he mentioned Rodriguez could miss the whole year on a radio spot earlier this week.”

    Not sure what to make of that.. I hope Alex isn’t involved in some investigation this year. That’d be the icing on the cake.

  131. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Are you counting your previous identity, of just post-Prufrock?

    ///

    I’d be surprised if, in all of my incarnations, that we’ve hit double digits.

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    jmills January 27th, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Elvis is great, and I’m not even particularly a Presley fan.
    ///

    Not him. Declan MacManus.

  133. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 7:00 pm

    Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    Shame,

    The reason jeter costs 9 is because there is a 3 mil buyout combined with a 6 mil difference between taxed vs paid. So it adds together for 2014 to become 9. Presumably if you extend jeter you would remove the 3 mil buyout so you’d be left with the 6 mil difference that would still impact you.

    ————————

    Thank you, dude. I would understand very little about this stuff without you being able to explain it.

    It sucks the contract is structured that way…

    If they do extend him, how would the $6 count? Would it be included to calculate the AAV or just an extra hit against the 2014 LT?

  134. yankeefeminista January 27th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Free Alex.

  135. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    Well, Mr. Prufrock, so there’s no misunderstanding, I have read and appreciated a large number of your posts and comments about the Yankees’ MiL teams and players, but I guess not so many of them have inspired direct comments or follow-up questions to you.

    I know we were on the same side in the Great Posada Truther War of 2009 and I made more comments about it than I could estimate, but few of them were probably to you.

  136. jacksquat January 27th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
    “And the reasonable conclusion to draw is that not rooting for him made/makes one bigoted?”

    in 1996 in that pro golf world for a golfer or golf fan?

    pretty much.

    This is ridiculous.

  137. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    JF, Yanks be better off with Jeter in 14 consider the 9 mil sunk cost, I am hoping for one year deal where both sides are satisfied, plausible. but I am very leery giving him multiple year deals going foward. 1. he is old 2 i question his range at ss as we move on in time 3 i like to see nunez get a shot sooner or later.

  138. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Alfred, Danny McManus was a quarterback for the Ticats.

  139. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyrQqmc5UT8….

    when I married my wife again out in Las Vegas in the Elvis Chapel…we requested this song…..

  140. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    j. a. pru.

    i came across this superman radio series the other day.

    you’ve really got to listen to it sometime when you get a chance.

    absolutely amazing the courage they had to broadcast it in 1946.

    it has me thinking what “truth , justice , and the american way really are.

    kids get it instinctively , but adults learn to play it safe and stay on the sidelines.

    i was thinking about what the yankees were all about historically and why they weren’t just another team, and following my nose i came to superman and his “truth , justice, and the american way”.

    anyway , check it out. i think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....BC375F0440

  141. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    AoA, I play the GM, Yanks would have a juggernaut every year, I wanted some balance to make it competitive.

  142. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    YF, I concur, free Alex Lifeson – great guitarist.

  143. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    *if I play

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    Nick in SF,

    That is true; we were on the same side of that.

    And whatever my username of the moment, I am consistent in my views: shipping out Posada’s heir apparent is grievious for the same reasons it was to have Posada out of the lineup in 2009.

  145. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    JAP,
    Except those who thought the Montero trade was OK!
    ///

    Hey tom,

    I think you’ve trolled me for about a year now. It’s a wonder I’m even polite to you, really.

    This is a baseball site; it’s not always going to reflect your demand that it be ice cream castles and sugar plum fairies in pinstripes.

    I don’t like a trade they made and I’ve not cared for their direction for some times now. If you want to take that personally, that is your problem; not mine.

    ——
    I haven’t trolled anyone. I just disagreed. Is that not allowed? Have I disrespected you, or been impolite? If you think I did so, I’m truly sorry. Maybe I’m a little testy after being called a bigot today. I do this for recreation, not for calling people names. I don’t care, nor, except when people make character conclusions based on what’s said here, what your opinions are, or what other people say. Shutting down the opposition isn’t my game. Is it yours?

  146. comnsnse January 27th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    cashmoney, “Ajax,Kennedy and Montero off the top of my head”.

    And where are they? Proving that even when they have good prospects,they eat their young in dumb trades!

    Off with your head! lol

  147. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    I for one wanted Montero out of here…now I want him back…because I’m a changed man

  148. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
    AoA, I play the GM, Yanks would have a juggernaut every year, I wanted some balance to make it competitive.

    ———————-

    That’s what I did. My teams would be unstoppable. I only played the franchise mode with the Yankees on Mlb 2k1. I always felt it was unfair in a way lol.

  149. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    And whatever my username of the moment,

    ————————

    *raises eyebrow*

  150. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Alfred, I’ve never been in the presence of Tom saying anything derogatory.

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    I haven’t trolled anyone. I just disagreed. Is that not allowed? Have I disrespected you, or been impolite? If you think I did so, I’m truly sorry. Maybe I’m a little testy after being called a bigot today. I do this for recreation, not for calling people names. I don’t care, nor, except when people make character conclusions based on what’s said here, what your opinions are, or what other people say. Shutting down the opposition isn’t my game. Is it yours?
    ///

    I think I’ve been incredibly restrained. I read back one night where you, ever on your self-appointed patrol to sniff out counterfeit Yankee fans, “reported” to trisha that I had come into the gamethread to talk hockey and left; the implication clearly was that I did not comment on the game action sufficiently to appease your idea of what one does in a Yankee game thread.

    That’s just one instance of your relentless, unprovoked comments at my expense.

    The thing is, tom, I really don’t care. I just noted it.

  152. comnsnse January 27th, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Randy L., love your occasional sentimentality,but associating athletic success with “truth,justice and the American way” is a bit much.

    I’m sure you remember the racists in the Yankee front office when they were one of the last teams including the Bosox to have black players.

    Vic Power was the first to reach the bigs,was deemed a showboat(Surprise!), sent to the Indians where he had a good career particularly on D.

  153. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    Mr. Prufrock, you may be right that Montero will end up being worthy of being called Posada’s potential heir apparent.

    The fact is that Posada was a switch-hitting catcher who put up great numbers from both sides and, whether he gets there or not, is plausibly mentioned as a potential Hall of Famer.

    I don’t draw any negative conclusions about what kind of career Montero will have based on his first season. But I don’t think it’s a terrible slam on him — or a character flaw — to recognize the possibility that he will not have the type of impact or career that Posada had. But Montero has only had a single season and is still very young; the future is out there for him and he can write his own script.

    But loving and appreciating Jorge Posada does not make it mandatory to think that Montero will ever be that kind of player.

    There you go, another comment about the Yankees made to you. Pretty soon you’ll have to take your shoes off to keep count.

  154. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

    Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    And whatever my username of the moment,

    ————————

    *raises eyebrow*
    ///

    All my incarnations protested that Joba remain in the rotation, and all my incarnations looked forward to Jesus Montero. :D .

  155. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    I don’t care either, JAP. Just keep up the montero talk. I understand.

  156. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
    Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    And whatever my username of the moment,

    ————————

    *raises eyebrow*
    ///

    All my incarnations protested that Joba remain in the rotation, and all my incarnations looked forward to Jesus Montero. .

    ————-

    Do you still login to these other accounts?

  157. Tar January 27th, 2013 at 7:21 pm

    Should I jump in or should I stay out, Jump in, stay out.

    It’s like the devil and the angel are on my keyboard right now.

    Angel wins. catch everybody later.

  158. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:22 pm

    jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    Alfred, Danny McManus was a quarterback for the Ticats.
    ///

    I always thought Elvis casted a wide net.

  159. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    tomingeorgia-

    we all need to stretch ourselves to be at our best. myself included.

    when you make a flip comment about never rooting for tiger woods but then you liked calvin peete, there is a disconnect there. something doesn’t make sense.

    if you want to explain why you didn’t root for the young tiger woods,i’m perfectly willing to listen and respond.

    my position is simply that the golf world was almost all caucasian at that time. tiger blew open doors and barriers that had barely been opened by how good he was.

    how could anyone not root for that?

    i’m not talking about the missteps he took later in his personal life. obviously, there was nothing worthy of rooting for there.

  160. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    ” Jump ” is a bad song by Van Halen, but it made a lot of money, honey! :)

  161. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Do you still login to these other accounts?
    ///

    No, I used one other username previously. I left the blog, returning when, as a passive reader, I could no longer endure the Jeter treatment in here that went unanswered.

    I got used to posting again and stuck around.

  162. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    I’m a Johnny Miller fan!

  163. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    us lineman hate the I word

  164. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    This is getting stupid. I have only 1 user name and can’t be bothered with anything else.

  165. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    I used to be….WCYF

  166. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    ” Witchita lineman.”

  167. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Jap, Elvis cast a huge net. IMO, not so humble, he made a lot of excellent babymaking music, for those who aren’t interested in making baby or babies, at least majority of humankind are interested in the babymaking process.

  168. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
    ” Witchita lineman
    —————————-
    I hated that song

  169. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    anyway , check it out. i think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..BC375F0440
    ///

    Randy, my older brother already had dibs on Clark Kent, since I came along six years later.

    I’ve bookmarked it and will take a look later, thanks.

  170. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbMeAOTPJzM

    love her voice…

  171. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Was everyone eating crazy wafers tonight??

  172. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Joe ( witcha lineman ), me too. Alfred, I talk like a retard regarding hockey, and Tom puts up with me.

  173. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    nah Shame, just meatload.

  174. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    I like Freedy Johnston’s cover of “Wichita Lineman”. Here’s a solo acoustic version:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlc56z8WRpM

  175. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    “Randy L., love your occasional sentimentality,but associating athletic success with “truth,justice and the American way” is a bit much.

    I’m sure you remember the racists in the Yankee front office when they were one of the last teams including the Bosox to have black players.”

    cmnsense-

    chad raised the question of real fan / fair weather fan the other day and it gt me thinking about what the yankees stood for. if they stand for nothing, what’s the point in rooting for them? i agree totally about the yankees at times being incredibly flawed, but they have also historically stood for something.

    also i directed that link straight to j.a.pru .
    did you even listen to it?
    if not you’re really kind of in the dark knowing what i was getting at.
    but again, it was a link to a specific person.

    i don’t think most of the blog would be interested.

  176. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Shame, there’s a fight here between 2 figures I’ve forgotten about.

  177. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    But loving and appreciating Jorge Posada does not make it mandatory to think that Montero will ever be that kind of player.

    There you go, another comment about the Yankees made to you. Pretty soon you’ll have to take your shoes off to keep count.
    ///

    No, it isn’t mandatory, but the premise back then, and pre-Jan 13, 2012, was the circular lineup remaining intact.

    It wasn’t hyperbole, then, to say the Yankees’ circularity depended on Jeter/Bernie/Posada, and later, Jeter/Cano/Posada; that was the crux of my argument – that Posada’s removal would break the circle.

    It’s the same underlying argument for having kept Montero.

  178. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKEuOO0lQPc

    little Makers Mark and some Nora Jones

  179. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    j.a. pru-

    yeah, when you get time.

    it’s got baseball and human rights and new york.

    you’ll find it interesting.

  180. Shame Spencer January 27th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    nah Shame, just meatload.

    ———————

    Looks like it :shock:

  181. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:42 pm

    Alfred, you’re one of the funniest people I have had the honour to meet! :)

  182. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Alfred, admit it, u loved Espo in ’79!

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    randy,

    You’re an interesting mix of old school and alternative thinking.

    We don’t always agree, which is fine. I appreciate your independent thought.

  184. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    don’t know who is really of age on here or not but I’m sorry for using the word Makers Mark

  185. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    jmills,

    I already told you privately all of those deep dark secrets about me and Phil Esposito. I have no humor when it comes to the man.

  186. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    jmills,

    All is well :)

  187. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    Ron Duguay was the sexy item back in N.Y. ’78/79 along with that Don Murdoch guy.

  188. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    Ron Duguay was the sexy item back in N.Y. ’78/79 along with that Don Murdoch guy.

    ———————————————
    wait one…nobody hotter than Stan Jonathan & Terry O

  189. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Alfred, Doug Gilmour is apparently a scumbag, but, the guy remains an awesome entity.

  190. J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:31 pm

    Jap, Elvis cast a huge net. IMO, not so humble, he made a lot of excellent babymaking music, for those who aren’t interested in making baby or babies, at least majority of humankind are interested in the babymaking process.
    ///

    Cashmoney,

    I’m about to check out. I missed this; we were talking about Elvis Costello, whose real name is Declan MacManus.

  191. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Unfortunately, Stan ( the aboriginal ) Johnathan just got charged with manslaughter up here for shooting somebody in a meadow by accident.

  192. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    Did not know that Jap, I simply heard him of as Elvis Costello.

  193. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    didn’t Paris Hilton invent the word Hot

  194. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    “We don’t always agree, which is fine. I appreciate your independent thought.”

    j.a.pru -

    likewise.

  195. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:55 pm

    jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
    Unfortunately, Stan ( the aboriginal ) Johnathan just got charged with manslaughter up here for shooting somebody in a meadow by accident.

    ————————————————–
    didn’t know that but just saw it….sorry for that also

  196. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Terry O’Reilly went to my high school in Oshawa where the Stones had to do their benefit concert for the blind because Keith got caught with his heroin.

  197. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    in general, jap i think music as whole from 20s-70s manifest in different genres had lot more soul than 90-present…

  198. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    over and out

    Think twice before walking on ice

  199. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    “It’s the same underlying argument for having kept Montero.”

    And it might end up looking like an excellent argument. Which is why a lot of us will still be paying attention to Montero, though he’s no longer a Yankee.

  200. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Joe, trust me, I’m not taking the Ford Bronco or snowmobile on the ice – no need to void one’s insurance! :)

  201. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax January 27th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    pre-Jan 13, 2012

    *******

    One more time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0

  202. Cashmoney January 27th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNAN-zX4KSI

    here are 2 men who sang with a bit of emotion…

  203. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock January 27th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
    Do you still login to these other accounts?
    ///

    No, I used one other username previously. I left the blog, returning when, as a passive reader, I could no longer endure the Jeter treatment in here that went unanswered.

    I got used to posting again and stuck around.

    ———————————–

    Good thing you stuck around.

    I only asked because yrs ago I was on another board and multiple accounts was a common thing. Which means more than likely talking to the same person and depending on the name he/she was either agreeing or disagreeing with you.

  204. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    I only have time for 1 user name, I’m kinda’ dumb that way.

  205. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Against, one time, I sent an e-mail to Billy Cobham – I told him about Toronto’s Glenn Gould and the fact I didn’t like jazz fusion much. brand X with Phil Collins is still a reliable entity.

  206. joeman January 27th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    short…stop

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9ZGKALMMuc…enjoy

  207. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 8:23 pm

    jmills, props to you. It takes some courage to stand up and defend someone if you think they’ve been wronged. A lot of people just look the other way.

  208. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Nick,

    I have a hard time seeing how they can field a competitive team in 2014. Far too many rookies would have to contribute. Plus, even of they had money to spend, the free agent pool is dwindling.

    But, no one has offered to pay me for my thoughts so that may well be their value.

  209. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Sorry, hey joe, couldn’t open that dog garn attachment.

  210. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    We can all root for whom we choose. People heckled Nicklaus. It wasn”t because of his race. Tiger has never been very fan friendly.

    While Tom doesn’t agree with many of my opinions, that too is fine with me. He seems okay to me.

  211. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    But, no one has offered to pay me for my thoughts so that may well be their value.

    ————————-

    The only ppl that have answered that question is some commenters over at RAB.

  212. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 8:32 pm

    Jmills,

    Never liked Miller. His hair was too blond, I suppose. :)

  213. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Hi austinmac, thanks for the reply. What kind of result would you consider sufficient to show that they had indeed fielded a competitive team? Finishing above .500? Finishing in 3rd place or higher? Or what?

    Before you answer, I know that the end result doesn’t necessarily prove that they had fielded a competitive team, when so many things can go wrong to derail a season. But I’m curious what you think anyway.

  214. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    If they do extend him, how would the $6 count? Would it be included to calculate the AAV or just an extra hit against the 2014 LT?

    When you do an extension, you forge a new contract for the following year + whatever the extension is. As part of the extension, MLB will look at the FULL contract being extended (which means the years prior which have already been paid) and calculate a debit or credit based on taxed vs paid.

    So for example, the Yankees actually paid 15.667 per year, but were taxed at only 14 per year. Thats a difference of 5 million ( so actually its cheaper than the calculation for the player option penalty by a million, great!).

    What MLB then does is add that penalty onto the new contracts AAV. So if you extend him for 2 years you’d take a 2.5 million penalty each year.

    So now that I did the math more formally, it may be smarter to extend him. The issue will be in how you deal with the extension. Right now Jeter is guaranteed 3 million+a new deal or 9.5 million for the season. So I think you’d have to start around 12.5 million for it to make sense financially for Jeter.

    So lets say they go 12.5 for 2014, 10 for 2015. They do the extension after April 1st so the calculation for 2013 stays the same. 2014 & 2015 should have an AAV of 11.25 + 2.5 = 13.75, which is slightly cheaper than what they’d take if Jeter accepted his player option and gives more money to Jeter than he is likely to get.

    They may have to throw some incentives in though, which could muddle things.

    There is an avenue here for them to work with. They need a devious accountant.

  215. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Cashman groveling to Jeter would probably help as well.

  216. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Nick, the season is a long haul. I want a team that gives me hope, even if somewhat unrealistic hope, they can get in the playoffs. I like six months of something to watch. A team out of it in June is no fun.

  217. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Well, this sounds like something unquantifiable. I get that you have no hope now, or think you’ll have no hope when the 2014 season begins. I’m just wondering what could happen during the 2014 season that will make you say “Hey, I was wrong, this team has showed/is showing that it has a chance to get into the playoffs!”

  218. randy l. January 27th, 2013 at 8:43 pm

    “Never liked Miller. His hair was too blond, I suppose”

    austinmac-

    yeah , i suppose there was a no blond hair clause in the pga too.

    tiger woods emergence in 1996 was historic in moving the world of golf into a new era.

    you’re making light of a serious issue.

    but i guess that’s what nice safe people do.

    good job.

  219. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    Randy,

    I prefer not making unfair, unfounded suggestions of racism. If that is safe, I’m guilty. You should climb off your high horse and stop insulting others. That is appropriate behavior.

  220. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Nick,

    Winning more games than they lose is a good start. I quantify my joy on a personal level. You are free to do the same.

    Do you have a point?

  221. blake January 27th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    JF,

    What if the Yanks went to Jeter now and offered to year his old contract up and do a new 3/30 one and front load it. 2013: 15 mill, 2014: 8 mill, 2015: 7 mill.

    He gets an additional year….and the Yanks lower the AAV to 10 for 2014…..is that correct or does the buy out jazz still apply? It’s a new contract so I woukd think no

  222. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/V.....#038;rel=0

    Enjoy, …Natalie Merchant!!!!!!

  223. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    I’m more hopeful about 2014, which could be delusional.

    I was hoping your feelings about it would be specific enough to present an opportunity for a friendly wager — say, a bottle of your favorite BBQ sauce vs. some Bay Area delicacy — but I don’t think we can wager in levels of personal joy and whether low expectations are met or exceeded unless we do so on the honor system.

    I don’t think I’d be interested in such a thing if our positions were reversed, however.

  224. blake January 27th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    If you guys don’t start playin nice I’m gonna unleash a blitzkrieg of fake trade proposals…..you’ve been warned

  225. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    What if the Yanks went to Jeter now and offered to year his old contract up and do a new 3/30 one and front load it. 2013: 15 mill, 2014: 8 mill, 2015: 7 mill.

    He gets an additional year….and the Yanks lower the AAV to 10 for 2014…..is that correct or does the buy out jazz still apply? It’s a new contract so I woukd think no

    They would still be penalized because of the taxed vs paid business.

  226. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    OK, blake,
    Cano and Granderson and Arod for Felix.. OK with you, and, oh, figure out a three-way to get an Upton in the deal?

  227. blake January 27th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    “They would still be penalized because of the taxed vs paid business.”

    Even if they ripped up the old contract totally? That’s weird

  228. blake January 27th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    tomingeorgia says:
    January 27, 2013 at 9:12 pm
    OK, blake,
    Cano and Granderson and Arod for Felix.. OK with you, and, oh, figure out a three-way to get an Upton in the deal?

    Felix isn’t for sell….can we have a torn Danny Hultzen labrum instead

  229. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Nick,

    I don’t bet against my team. I hate to pull against myself while I pull,for my team.

    I would love to know the source of your optimism. Logical, spiritual, chemical. Give me some.

  230. blake January 27th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Mark Texiera still not drafted in my fantasy league….I may take him just out of pity even though I already have a 1B

  231. Against All Odds January 27th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    Surprised he hasn’t been picked up yet

  232. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Even if they ripped up the old contract totally? That’s weird

    How is it weird? They could use this maneuver to continually circumvent the CBA if it worked the way you think.

  233. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    austinmac, I figured you would feel that way, so I didn’t hold out much hope that I would end up with a bottle of BBQ sauce if/when the Yanks surpass your expectations in 2014. Though you’re free to send me one anyway should that happen.

    The source of my optimism, if that’s the word for it, is that losing is bad for business and is bad for the bottom line. If the current regime consists of bad businessmen then losing will likely be the result and I’ll be proven wrong. But I’m hopeful that they will run all the scenarios and do all the calculations and decide that the risk of low attendance and low ratings isn’t worth it — and then opt for the path that will give the team a realistic chance to compete in 2014.

    So I guess I’m trying to look at their perceived greed in the best way instead of the worst. But I have no idea. Everything they’re doing could be prepping for a sale, as some theorize, or something else that won’t bode well for 2014. I just don’t know.

  234. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    Tomingeorgia- how do you like, Bill Bruford, mon ami?

  235. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Nick,thanks for the support, but I think Tom can take of the S.O.B’s anytime. If he slips up, I’ll be right there behind him!!!

  236. tomingeorgia January 27th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    jmills,
    To tell the truth, I dont’ have a clue if I do, or not, just like about 95% of your music posts. Good night, my friend.

  237. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Nick,

    If Hal changes his ways a bottle of Stubbs bar-b-q sauce will come your way.

  238. blake January 27th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    “How is it weird? They could use this maneuver to continually circumvent the CBA if it worked the way you think.”

    Well only if the player and the team agreed to tear up a contract and do a new one….which doesn’t really happen that often because usually one side doesn’t want to so that.

  239. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    Tom, good nite – I’m really pissed off that u were attacked!

  240. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    Thanks, austinmac. And if things continue on with no progress and the roof really does cave in, I’ll be happy to send you something from out here.

  241. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Nick,

    Let’s hope you can enjoy the sauce. My baseball executive resume is a bit slim.

  242. jmills January 27th, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    Nick, Steve …………….McQueen was a crappy driver.Gilles Villeneuve rules!

  243. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Nick,

    To quantify, if Hal agrees to spend a dime over the cap, I will gladly send your tribute. It will be deserved.

  244. blake January 27th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Nick,
    If Hal goes over 189 then I’ll send you 2 ketchup packets….deal?

  245. Ys Guy January 27th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    ” blake January 27th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    Mark Texiera still not drafted in my fantasy league….I may take him just out of pity even though I already have a 1B”
    =================================
    well, idk your format but tex is certainly a top 10 1b ub 5×5. that’s gotta be an increadibly shallow league.

  246. Ys Guy January 27th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    in 5×5

  247. blake January 27th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    “well, idk your format but tex is certainly a top 10 1b ub 5×5. that’s gotta be an increadibly shallow league.”

    It’s not actually….10 owner league and they all know their stuff…..folks aren’t sure about him

  248. Ys Guy January 27th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    so you’re telling me that there arent’t 15 1bmen drafted in a 10 team league?

    id have to challenge how well they ‘know their stuff” then.

  249. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    austinmac, what if they don’t go over the cap but the team does well in 2014?

    blake, no deal, but you can send me a Bojangles gift card and I promise it won’t go to waste.

  250. Ys Guy January 27th, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    what is the format?

  251. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Nick,

    No sauce for you then since your optimism is based on Hal seeing a need to change because of market conditions.

  252. blake January 27th, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    It’s not a 5×5 league either…. It’s. 8×8

    I can think of 10 1b Id probably rather have than Tex for fantasy gong into 2013

    Pujols, Miggy, Fielder, Votto, Encarnarcion , goldschmidt , Agon, billy butler, Laroche, Craig, etc

  253. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    “No sauce for you then since your optimism is based on Hal new owners seeing a need to change because of market conditions.”

    ^

  254. blake January 27th, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    It’s not that crazy that Tex wouldn’t be picked 75 or so picks in….he’s a borderline top 10 1B and there are tons of others spots to fill. In an 8×8 league he gives you homers and RBIs and really nothing else ….

  255. Ys Guy January 27th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    well, of course it depends on your format, i suppose your 8×8 doesnt favor him. but in a 10 team 5×5 he’s certain to be drafted

  256. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Rich,

    One can only hope.

  257. blake January 27th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    January 27, 2013 at 10:17 pm
    well, of course it depends on your format, i suppose your 8×8 doesnt favor him. but in a 10 team 5×5 he’s certain to be drafted

    I didn’t say he wouldn’t be drafted….just said he hasn’t been yet. Even in a 5×5 he’s arguably not a top 10 fantasy 1B

  258. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    But I am also allowing for the possibility that they will arrive at the decision hour and conclude that they can be competitive with what they’ve got and still stay under the cap — and then be proven correct.

    Seems unlikely yet it’s still in the realm of the possible. So I guess my optimism is also partly rooted in the remaining smidgen of faith that someone over there knows what he’s doing and that it might still pay off on the field.

  259. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    I would pay out if they sold the team before 2014, obviously.

  260. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    There’s also the possibility that they will arrive at the decision to go over the cap too late and the team will still stink because they clung to their delusional fiscal fantasies for too long and arrive at the worst outcome: spend more to get even less.

    I would pay out then too.

  261. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Nick,

    You get sauce if you correctly predict Hal sees the light. We can all share in the fruits if they sell.

  262. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    But no sauce if they get under the cap and the team still does well? Wouldn’t that mean they had seen the light all along?

  263. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    I do not bet against my team. I will readily bet Hal is a putz, now and in 2014.

  264. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    Ah. So the only scenario in which you will send the sauce is if they go above the cap.

    But if they can figure out a way to be competitive and still stay under the cap — proving pretty much all but the most ardent of the cheer squad wrong — then no sauce for me.

  265. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    Nick,

    All I ask for my gracious offer is acknowledgement when I am right. It won’t be the result I want. But, it is the result I foresee. If they can win under the cap, I will have no difficulty acknowledging you we’re right. But, alas, no sauce.

  266. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 10:57 pm

    That’s a shame. I like increasing the number of potential scenarios in which I can win.

    And I do think it’s possible that they can thread the needle. But I’d be happy to give acknowledgment IF you are right.

  267. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    What if they go under the limit and win in 189 but its at terrible cost and they soon lose a lot? You should have to send any unused sauce back.

  268. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    That would be even harder to pull off. I guess it would involve some big trades for good players who leave after 2014?

    If there’s leftover sauce, how good was it in the first place?

  269. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Maybe its costco sized.

  270. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    What I foresee is Hank taking back over, extending AROD believing he simply needed more incentives. Jerkface then explains it costs triple under the cap However, Roger Clemens replaces Mo in 2014 for free as a gesture to all what a great guy he really is.

  271. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 11:09 pm

    I thought Blake explained the sauce is packet sized?

  272. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    I can’t be sending back unused packets if the team sucks in 2017.

  273. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Does good sauce come in packets?

  274. Ys Guy January 27th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    wins is the way to go. if the yankees win 261 games from now through the 2015 season, you win.

  275. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 11:26 pm

    I would say good sauce does not come in packets. The question is, however, how long should Nick keep the Arby’s sauce unopened pending results? I prefer my returned packets to be pristine.

  276. Rich in NJ January 27th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    “Does good sauce come in packets?”

    Only for astronauts…in space.

  277. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    Setting aside I don’t bet on my team, why 261? 87 per season has been defined as success by whom?

  278. tucker January 27th, 2013 at 11:30 pm

    It is possible that the Yanks will be a division contender/winner while staying under 189. But what if they make some short-sighted moves to get there — like trading Heathcott, Sanchez, Campos, Mason Williams, etc. for veterans who bring short-term success? Seems like nobody should declare victory under such circumstances.

  279. Ys Guy January 27th, 2013 at 11:31 pm

    by nobody, but thats a pretty good # to set the bet. i’d say if they win 261 the next 3 seasons they’ll make the playoffs twice.

  280. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    From Stubbs to Arby’s. Talk about defining quality downwards.

    I hope Hal gets better results.

  281. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    You’d need probably 276 over 3 seasons to guarantee that.

  282. Ys Guy January 27th, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    i thinnk 261 is a good # but i’d take nick’s side.

  283. tucker January 27th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    Stubbs, btw, is a great place. Or at least it was.

  284. Ys Guy January 27th, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    if they win 276, they’ll certainly make the playoffs twice, probably all 3 seasons. that’s a pretty one sided bet

  285. Ys Guy January 27th, 2013 at 11:34 pm

    we’re talking about competing, not dominating as far as the bet goes.

  286. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    tucker, that’s what I was getting at in my 11:04 post. I guess anything is possible.

  287. G. Love January 27th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    Hey Nick,

    What kind of money can I get betting on U.S. Women’s Figure Skater Gracie Gold medaling in the next winter olympics?

    My wife & I were both home sick last night and after having watched all my awards screeners watched the US Women’s Long program.

    And I hope you and J.AP continue to get along. You’re both high on the list of posters I hope to take in a game with and/or have a drink with one of these days.

  288. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    G. Love, I don’t know if our interaction tonight was really a great example of getting along, but hopefully it will prove to be the floor and not the ceiling.

    I wouldn’t risk betting much on any athletic competition that takes place in Russia, my friend. Think about it.

    If Gracie says goodnight with anything less than gold there should be an investigation, but I fear it will be a Russian-led one. Be careful.

  289. austinmac January 27th, 2013 at 11:42 pm

    Stubbs is still good. When Hal splurges, Nick will indulge.

  290. G. Love January 27th, 2013 at 11:43 pm

    I think I have more interest betting on figure skating than horses and I have horse racing in the blood with our family owning a few ponies.

  291. tucker January 27th, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    It’s one thing to have faith in ownership. It’s another thing to envision a way out of this self-inflicted limit. As many people have aptly pointed out, it’s difficult to describe a scenario where they assemble the necessary talent to win the division and compete for the pennant while staying under 189. It’s nearly impossible to see at this point.

    Will Hal buckle in the name of preserving the brand? His recent public comments about 189 seem to suggest the team would be willing to go over 189 in the name of fielding a competitive team. Though, in the same breath, he described Youk, Ichiro and Pettitte as top free agents. A more accurate description would be aging vets who are willing to sign for one year (or 2 in Ichiro’s case).

  292. tucker January 27th, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    And if I was a party to this friendly non-wager, I’d hold out for Q sauce from The Salt Lick.

  293. G. Love January 27th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    I honestly think unless Hal is prepping to sell, he’s going to exceed the budget before all is said and done.

    If the Yankees are limping or hovering around the post season pack and have a glaring need and it’s not addressed, it’s going to be tough to stand up to your customers/fans and tell them the budget goal is more important than whatever the team needs to get over the hump.

    I think right now the owners believe they have the stomach for it, but when it’s facing them down and the season is in the balance and the fans are demanding more/improvements, it’s a franchise altering moment if you truly say “no children, you cannot have the Millenium
    Falcon”.

    That said, if they are prepping to sell nothing will matter and they will slash payroll and give out no new contracts of length to let the new owner build the team in their image.

  294. Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    Some awesome NPB batflips for ya’ll

    http://t.co/dQ7c4gCg

  295. Nick in SF January 27th, 2013 at 11:52 pm

    I think you’re right, G. Love. Or at least that’s the hope I’ve been clinging to and opining about all along.

  296. G. Love January 28th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    It seemed like last season the goal was to have the team filled perfectly in every way with depth so that they wouldn’t have to go out and acquire anything in a panic during the season.

    This season is the opposite. I feel like they’re going in looking to see what their needs are and try to fill them as the season goes on. That’s a dangerous position because every other team is also assessing and looking for pieces and you’re competing against them for players they all may have realized they needed during the course of the season. If 5 teams need a RH hitting OF, the price skyrockets whereas in the off season you can just sign a guy to play that role for money.

    While last season was a little boring in the transaction department once the season began, it really was that way because the roster showed depth. A lot more depth than we’re seeing right now.

    Right now, I think we’re a 90 win team with no new additions. That may be enough to contend for a wild card and then again it might not be. But if enough teams are around that level the chance to trade for players to get you over the hump becomes more and more difficult.

    But I’m honestly starting to think they’re prepping for a sale and if that’s the case it’s gonna be a rough until they complete a sale.

  297. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2013 at 12:00 am

    A-Rod’s injury offers a ripe excuse, and they will take it, if necessary. Cashman will be the first scapegoat (not that he isn’t deserving), and then they can give fans hope with a new GM.

  298. G. Love January 28th, 2013 at 12:03 am

    Rich,

    What’s your feeling on them prepping for a sale and just slashing what they can in advance of that?

  299. Nick in SF January 28th, 2013 at 12:11 am

    I don’t know about using Arod as an excuse, at least not explicitly, but if they end up going over the cap in 2014, that would probably be the end of Cashman as GM.

    Unless he’s got his Rasputin act down even better than we imagine. Wouldn’t that be something.

  300. G. Love January 28th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    My team mole at the gym, who has suspiciously clammed up of late completely, really was stressing that the owners were putting Cashman’s feet to the fire.

    Even if that is the case, it’s still going to be hard for a NY franchise with the revenues the Yankees generate to tell the fans “well Cashman promised us he could win on budget so so we’re setting it in stone and going to watch them lose instead of going out and help the team win in order to teach a lesson”. If they do that and don’t sell, they’ll be doing serious harm to the brand and to their legacy as owners.

  301. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 12:16 am

    Can Nick or someone please post the link of what Brett said that got him banned. I’m tired of searching already.

  302. jacksquat January 28th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    Jerkface January 27th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
    Some awesome NPB batflips for ya’ll

    Man, some of those would mean a pitch in the earhole in MLB.

  303. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2013 at 12:18 am

    G. Love

    I’m torn. On the one hand it makes sense, but on the other, why do they need to do that?

    The deal to sell an what will likely be 80% of YES to Newscorp should provide each of the four Steinbrenner children a sufficient revenue stream to satisfy whatever it is that really, really rich people do with their money.

    If it’s true that a Dodger-like deal is out there for them, why should a $20 or $30 or even $50m expenditure on the team matter that much to them, when they will get it back many times over?

    Maybe Hal sees virtually every other team in MLB spend far less and do fairly well on the field and wonders why he keeps having to write checks.

    Yet he doesn’t seem to have the passion for the game.

  304. jacksquat January 28th, 2013 at 12:19 am

    Brett’s offending posts were deleted.

  305. G. Love January 28th, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Rich,

    It’s definitely hard to reconcile right now, although I think if we heard that they were putting the team up for sale no one would be surprised at this point.

    I sometimes wonder if the Stein’s know life after Jeter & Mo isn’t going to pretty and they don’t want to deal with that.

    That wouldn’t be an issue if they had some long range vision in the front office planning for that day.

    The Braves lose Chipper Jones and they go out rebuild the franchise with your and high ceiling potential.

    I’m not saying the Upton’s should’ve come here, but there’s an example of a team that saw their icon and the player who was their brand leave and they quickly and succinctly moved on while still developing and keeping the young guys they wanted to keep.

  306. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    Well that sucks. I don’t like playing the he said, she said game. It bores me.

  307. Rich in NJ January 28th, 2013 at 12:36 am

    G. Love

    What puzzles me about Hal is that there seems to be a disconnect between his rhetoric and the reality of the mL system as it currently stands.

    I understand why he might think it’s time for the young players to start producing and his desire for that to happen at a time when he can save money by reducing the payroll with cost-controlled young players. He may have been sold on how the fruits of the development process are close at hand for years.

    The problem is that anyone who has more than a passing familiarity with the Yankees’ farm system knows it’s not ready to be the talent pipeline it would need to be in 2014 unless they somehow pull off the equivalent of an inside straight.

    Whether Hal is really smart, or just sort of intelligent, it’s unlikely that he is a complete idiot.

    So why doesn’t he see that?

    And if he doesn’t see that, maybe he doesn’t fully understand how ugly it will be.

    Or, as you suggest, maybe it’s merely spin as he pairs back expenses to keep the balance sheet as clean as possible for a new owner.

  308. jacksquat January 28th, 2013 at 12:37 am

    I saw Brett’s posts, there were two jokes, one that involved a reference to wife beating and the other I don’t remember. They could be considered offensive, but I don’t consider them any more offensive than calling or insinuating that people are racists or bigots, which has happened several times here.

  309. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    He told two jokes? Wow people need to lighten up.

  310. theREALkevin January 28th, 2013 at 12:55 am

    “Can Nick or someone please post the link of what Brett said that got him banned. I’m tired of searching already.”

    Lol u’ve searched that much? 1 anonymous poster out of hundreds on a Yankee blog got banned. Who cares. The world goes on. U need more to do bro

  311. theREALkevin January 28th, 2013 at 12:58 am

    jacksquat, u and Bret would get along famously, lots of time spent chatting about how women are the weaker sex and all they should be allowed to do is cook and clean. I’m surprised you’re not the one b.itching about him being banned, I think u guys would be friends

  312. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    Oh please, he told two jokes about women. Maybe he was in a fraternity or played on a sports team or both?

  313. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:06 am

    You think any of the Yankees ever tell jokes about women in the clubhouse?

  314. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:09 am

    I swear, what is the world coming too? Are they gonna ban farting on your little brother’s head next?

  315. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 1:09 am

    LOL JackSquat, wth? Clearly calling someone a racist or a bigot is as worse an insult as advocating violence against a woman you’re currently arguing with.

    Seriously, dude, you’ve been digging a deep hole the past few days.

  316. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 1:11 am

    Some baseball players are rapists, lets not let that excuse impolite behavior because some MLB players may also do X.

    Bret’s behavior regarding women and topics like that have been persistently weird or offensive, and the ‘joke’ he made was directed at a poster here, so consider it a culmination of bad behavior rather than being banned for a specific joke, if you’re in the mood to feel less ‘outraged’

  317. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:13 am

    Advocating violence against women? Woah, jacksquat said he told 2 jokes about women. As far as I know, jokes advocate laughter not violence.

  318. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:16 am

    I would like to see/hear these 2 jokes that he told to see what all the fuss is about, probably nothing…

  319. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 1:18 am

    That is a simplistic view of what ‘jokes’ do. Jokes may advocate laughter, but at the expense of someone or something. And they do not really advocate laughter in the broad sense, but they advocate an opinion about a topic which depending on the listener would then elicit laughter. For example, Bret’s jokes were about beating a woman who is acting out of turn, directed at a woman he is currently arguing with. Why would that be funny? Who would find that funny?

  320. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:18 am

    You probably think Chris Rock is not funny or Sasha Baren Cohen.

  321. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:21 am

    A call for violence is a pretty serious accusation. If you want to call for violence you don’t do it through a joke on a LOHUD blog. Ridiculous.

  322. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:32 am

    And advocating laughter “at the expense of someone or something” is not the same as calling for violence against something or somebody, unless you want it to mean that. And “directing” is a subjective term where you the reader are imparting motive on the poster.

    And how do you know if the jokes were directed at a specific woman, a man or the LOHUD blog in general? How do you even know if Brett himself is a man or the supposed woman he directed the joke at a woman?

    Could you even prove if he told the joke generally to the blog or specifically to one person? Didn’t you hear the joke? I mean, weren’t you in the same room? And jacksquat? and Nick? That makes 3, specific women he was directing the joke at. Did he private message the poster he supposedly directed the joke at or are you, shall we say making sh*t up Jerkface?

  323. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 1:39 am

    You’re going through an awful lot to defend a sexist joke. I know who the joke was directed at because I was there at the time it was made, reading the conversation it took place in, and also here for all of the after-math. The joke was directed at Yankeefeminista, who is a self described woman, and it doesn’t matter if in real life yankeefeminista is a woman or not. In that context, at that time, yankeefeminista is a she and Bret specifically went after her with a joke about beating women. Because we all know women find those things highly amusing.

    And as for your first part, if you’re the type who makes jokes about beating women, or finds them intensely amusing, you are more likely to be on the side of the fence that thinks behavior like that is ok. You know the phrase, “the truth is often told in jest”? If you tell a bunch of sexist jokes, chances are you’re a sexist. IF you tell a bunch of racist jokes, chances are you’re a racist. If you tell a bunch of knock-knock jokes, chances are you got some knockers.

  324. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:41 am

    And is it true, as Nick in SF states, that just prior to these to jokes on LOHUD (masquerading as calls for violence against women in Jerkface/Patrick’s head), yankeefeminista insulted Brett the Hitman? So was he telling the joke to shrug off yankeefeminista or was he actually feeling hostility towards women? Maybe it’s you who were feeling hostility towards Brett the Hitman and his thinking? Could be.

  325. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 1:43 am

    What it boils down to is that, regardless of whether you have a huge, thick skin and are unperturbed by any kind of humor, or you find those kinds of jokes hilarious, is that LOHUD’s blog managers apparently don’t want it on the blog. Consistently misbehaving gets you a ban. Its simple as that.

    I welcome you to go ahead and make a bunch of racist/sexist jokes that totally don’t advocate any stance against anyone and try your luck.

  326. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:44 am

    The chances of something being true and the certainty of it are two different things. The question is not whether Brett is sexist or not. The question is did he advocate violence against all women or did he advocate laughter at a specific self-described women’s expense in a room full of self described men?

  327. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 1:47 am

    That is not the question, and that you think that should be a question at all is hilarious and telling. It is bad for him if he is either.

  328. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:49 am

    Telling those specific 2 jokes was only bad in your opinion. And telling jokes (for general amusement or at a specific person or group’s expense), once again, is different than advocating violence.

  329. jacksquat January 28th, 2013 at 1:51 am

    theREALkevin January 28th, 2013 at 12:58 am
    jacksquat, u and Bret would get along famously, lots of time spent chatting about how women are the weaker sex and all they should be allowed to do is cook and clean. I’m surprised you’re not the one b.itching about him being banned, I think u guys would be friends

    What in the world gave you that idea? Apparently you have misinterpreted my posts. You too Jerkface. You seem very anxious to not really read what I post and put a label on me. It’s like a witch hunt in here.

  330. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:51 am

    Telling jokes and advocating violence are only the same thing in a world wear you make sh*t up.

  331. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 1:51 am

    What is a joke about beating a woman if not advocating violence against women?

  332. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:53 am

    But I guess some people make a living off that (attorneys, insurance agents and the scam artists you find on craigslist)

  333. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 1:55 am

    You too Jerkface. You seem very anxious to not really read what I post and put a label on me. It’s like a witch hunt in here.

    It is hard to misinterpret that you find a joke about hitting a woman who is talking out of turn as offensive as being called a bigot as anything but… that. Being called a racist and saying or doing a racist thing are on completely different levels, man! Combined with your previous call for the real focus of diversity in sports to be about the lack of white people & basketball, and that you think the pendulum has ‘swung the other way’ in race. It doesn’t look good for you at all in these areas. You should probably avoid the topics completely.

  334. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:55 am

    How is a joke, any joke, regardless of the object a call for violence?

  335. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:56 am

    Jokes are only violent when an audience member imparts his own skewed interpretation on the joke. He was offended. Sure. Attacked? Hardly.

  336. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 1:59 am

    And who wrote the joke originally? Did Brett the Hitman write these 2 jokes or did he repeat them? And should we ban the comedian who wrote the joke, for life since he has spread his violence across LOHUD like a jihad?

  337. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 2:00 am

    You’re clearly not understanding, but imagine you’re in a war and the other side is of a specific ethnicity (or an alien race or whatever). Now imagine the popular humor at the time is to tell jokes about killing or hurting this opposing alien race. The jokes themselves are advocating violence towards them. Specifically can be a call to violence, and more importantly is a pervasive way for that attitude to be spread throughout your culture.

    You only need to look at the USA for how pervasive sexism & racism can be. And specifically, in this instance, arguing with someone then out of nowhere directing a joke at them about domestic violence, what is that?

  338. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:01 am

    Lot of hot air there about wars and alien races.

  339. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 2:02 am

    Hm, you’re in crazy town, now. No, the comedian who came up with it should not be banned, unless they came on here and started telling their crappy jokes. Sexists, racists, homophobes, and whatever should not be blanket banned from anything unless they feel the need to spread their tired opinions to others.

  340. sammiejohnson January 28th, 2013 at 2:03 am

    “You only need to look at the USA for how pervasive sexism & racism can be.”

    Barry, is that you?

  341. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:03 am

    Well all comedians are advocating violence obviously.

  342. Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 2:04 am

    and here’s another hit; Barry Bonds

  343. Nick in SF January 28th, 2013 at 2:07 am

    Well this has really taken a turn to the surreal, not the least of which because FiretheUMPIRE is the one that Mr. Prufrock suggested was actually Bret the Hitman.

  344. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:09 am

    Nick what were the 2 jokes?

  345. jacksquat January 28th, 2013 at 2:13 am

    Jerkface January 28th, 2013 at 1:55 am
    You too Jerkface. You seem very anxious to not really read what I post and put a label on me. It’s like a witch hunt in here.

    It is hard to misinterpret that you find a joke about hitting a woman who is talking out of turn as offensive as being called a bigot as anything but… that. Being called a racist and saying or doing a racist thing are on completely different levels, man! Combined with your previous call for the real focus of diversity in sports to be about the lack of white people & basketball, and that you think the pendulum has ‘swung the other way’ in race. It doesn’t look good for you at all in these areas. You should probably avoid the topics completely.

    Uh, once again you have totally misunderstood. My comment about calling people bigots and racists was directed at certain people on this blog inappropriately calling other people a “bigot” (happened today) and other people such as JAP, YF and yourself saying if you call latino players lazy you might be a racist. Really getting tired of that crap. Which is worse, sexist jokes or calling people bigots, I don’t know. Both have no place on this blog. Get it now?

    Combined with your previous call for the real focus of diversity in sports to be about the lack of white people & basketball, and that you think the pendulum has ‘swung the other way’ in race.

    Do you willfully twist my words, or just not read well? Or are just very anxious to judge anyone you says anything that has even a tiny chance of being misinterpreted as being sexist or racist?

    I took a contrary position and asked why all the questions about the decline in numbers of african-americans in baseball but no one says a damn thing about lack of caucasians in basketball. I did NOT “call for the real focus of diversity in sports to be about the lack of white people & basketball”. Kindly stop twisting my words.

  346. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:15 am

    “sexist jokes or calling people bigots”

    Don’t you mean jihadist calls for fire and fury?

  347. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:16 am

    Jerkface/Patrick never twists your words, he just bends them into pretzel shapes.

  348. Nick in SF January 28th, 2013 at 2:19 am

    There weren’t two jokes, per se.

    The first comment was more of an insult than a joke, but I guess you could describe it as an insult in the form of a joke, or vice versa.

    The second was a joke that made light of violence against women. Bret the Hitman’s motive for telling it is open to interpretation. He told it in a comment that was ostensibly directed at me.

    The Rashomon effect may be in play here.

  349. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:21 am

    So wait a second, he told the second joke with your name written in his post specifically? I really wish LOHUD would’ve preserved this joke.

  350. jacksquat January 28th, 2013 at 2:21 am

    And as for contrarian positions, I understand people like JAP, YF, JF and others may be used to just spewing out whatever is the standard liberal white paper on issues of gender/race/sexual preference, but as for:

    It doesn’t look good for you at all in these areas. You should probably avoid the topics completely.

    I will exercise my right to free speech (within the rules of the blog and as much as anyone else) and will not be stifled because you can’t think outside of a box.

    What’s really funny is I have mostly very “liberal” thoughts on these issues, but wow if I express even one slightly contrarian vewpoint I get jumped by those who think they are the righteous!

  351. Nick in SF January 28th, 2013 at 2:28 am

    There are no private messages here, aside from email. Whether my name was in the post or not, he put it up in this public forum.

    And context or not, it’s up to the people that run the blog what to do about it. If you post something like that, you’re putting your fate here in someone else’s hands.

  352. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:29 am

    Ok, so LOHUD “management” (good one Patrick/Jerkface) permits insults specifically directed at individual posters at their own expense but bans jokes told in poor taste to the forum room’s general audience, meanwhile the antsy pantsy blog gurus and self proclaimed experts (really just blowhards inhaling the smell of their own farts) whine and badger Chad until he relents and just bans people because he’s tired of being nagged by the people who take this place called the internet, way to friggin seriously.

  353. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:30 am

    I think I got it. Cool.

  354. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:32 am

    oh that’s not it, it’s stho simplistic, that’s not it, you’re in crazy town boo hoo hoo

  355. Nick in SF January 28th, 2013 at 2:36 am

    LoHud management doesn’t read all the comments here, or even most of them. For them to become aware of something it has to be brought to their attention. In Bret the Hitman’s case, lots of other comments were reported to them before the ones in question. I don’t know what those other comments were, so I can’t say anything about them.

    “Crazy Town” was a great song by Velocity Girl, in my opinion.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dra-P7f0-mQ

  356. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:38 am

    What kind of baseball fan wastes time reporting comments? One who takes the internet wayyyyy too seriously.

  357. FiretheUMPIRE January 28th, 2013 at 2:44 am

    She sounds a little like Veruca Salt

  358. blake January 28th, 2013 at 6:28 am

    Is it ok if I continue to make jokes about Chris Stewarts hitting ability?

  359. jmills January 28th, 2013 at 7:37 am

    Blake, u can make jokes about my hitting ability any time.

  360. blake January 28th, 2013 at 7:40 am

    jmills says:
    January 28, 2013 at 7:37 am
    Blake, u can make jokes about my hitting ability any time.

    Can you hit better than Chris Stewart ?

  361. Against All Odds January 28th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Nick in SF January 28th, 2013 at 2:36 am
    LoHud management doesn’t read all the comments here, or even most of them. For them to become aware of something it has to be brought to their attention.

    ———————-

    Maybe Lohud should have someone to overlook the comments and get rid of the obvious trolls.

  362. jmills January 28th, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Only in a leap year.

  363. jmills January 28th, 2013 at 7:59 am

    I don’t get the troll thing and will come here because of great minds that show me stuff.

  364. blake January 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    There are great minds here?

  365. yanks61 January 28th, 2013 at 8:16 am

    “You only need to look at the USA for how pervasive sexism & racism can be.”

    JF, I generally sympathize with your feelings about sexism and racism, but I sometimes think you carry it a bit too far and see both of those in far too many corners where they don’t exist. It almost smacks of a kind of McCarthyism. I’m not accusing you of that. I’m merely saying that, probably without realizing it, you vilify a lot of people that, IMHO, in no way, shape or form, are racists or sexists.

    I’m speaking here of Jacksquat, but it I can remember when you were even casting Blake, of all people, in that light.

    As for accusing America of being the epitome of racism or sexism, well I can’t really say. There certainly is plenty of it, to be sure. However maybe it would be instructive to cast your net far wider. Like Africa, for example, where Hutus kill Tutsis and vise-versa because of their race. Where tribe battles tribe because of racism. The same is true of Arabs tribes (though that may involve religion as much or more.) Have you ever visited Brazil? A multi-ethnic country where lots of light skinned blacks look down upon darker skin blacks.

    Oh, and I know you are partial to Japanese players (and I like many of them too!), and mince no words calling out people who make any remarks that you feel are racist. So please include the vast amount of racism that exists in Japan, where Koreans and other foreigners are looked down upon by many if not most Japanese. And lets not forget their barbaric treatment of Korea and China in the WWII.

    Racism is by no means an America only problem.

  366. jmills January 28th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    If you asked Oscar Peterson when he was alive, he’d tell you, a lot of things were and ain’t all that rosy in Canada.

  367. jmills January 28th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Blake, yep, there are great minds here IMHO; I’m trying to become one of ‘em but probably run the risk of boring everybody :D

  368. blake January 28th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    jmills says:
    January 28, 2013 at 8:27 am
    Blake, yep, there are great minds here IMHO; I’m trying to become one of ‘em but probably run the risk of boring everybody

    See I don’t understand what you’re talking about half the time so it must be more complicated than I can grasp

  369. jmills January 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Blake, probably not as I think I can be highly nonsensicle :)

  370. blake January 28th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    jmills says:
    January 28, 2013 at 8:32 am
    Blake, probably not as I think I can be highly nonsensicle

    You can’t use big words around me

  371. jmills January 28th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Blake, ok, I can be your monosyllabic wonder

  372. Shame Spencer January 28th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    jmills is a fake account. I’ve been saying so for a while and all you gotta do is read through his posts last night.

    I need JF in here btw.. I wanted to ask him about that list again.

  373. Shame Spencer January 28th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    I wonder what today’s guest post will be…. GLove should really write one. His comments are getting longer and longer by the day ;)

  374. jmills January 28th, 2013 at 8:54 am

    Shame, I’m not a fake account. I might be an idiot sometimes but I am not a fake account.

  375. randy l. January 28th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    yanks61-

    on an off topic subject.
    i’ve been watching the french police drama series “Engrenages” or Spirals on netflix.
    just curious, what’s the french reaction to that show?
    is that an accurate portrayal of the french police/legal system with the fact it’s obviously a tv show and made for entertainment purposes?

  376. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    jmills is not a fake account. That FiretheUmpire, however…. that guy is someone other than who I thought he was, and if I told you, you’d never believe it… but eerily, it adds up. Very eerily.

    Anyway, I’m done with this stuff. It was a fire deliberately started to create the kind of drama this place doesn’t need to run smoothly.

  377. MTU January 28th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    Good morning.

    Are we there yet ?

    :)

  378. yankeefeminista January 28th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    BA’s top 31:

    We had the top 10 already; here’s the additional 11-31. Kind of strange list. Some mlb-ready players combined with young un’s. I agree about JR being ahead of Romine, which I had said myself a few days ago. etc.

    1. Mason Williams, of
    2. Slade Heathcott, of
    3. Gary Sanchez, c
    4. Tyler Austin, of
    5. Jose Campos, rhp
    6. Brett Marshall, rhp
    7. Angelo Gumbs, 2b
    8. Manny Banuelos, lhp
    9. Ty Hensley, rhp
    10. Rafael De Paula, rhp
    11. Mike Montgomery
    12. Ramon Flores
    13. Bryan Mitchell
    14. Nik Turley
    15. JR Murphy
    16. Jose Ramirez
    17. Austin Romine
    18. Melky Mesa
    19. Dellin Betances
    20, Austin Aune
    21. Dante Bichette Jr
    22. Greg Bird
    23. David Adams
    24. Adam Warren
    25. Corey Black
    26. Matt Tracy
    27. Corban Joseph
    28. Cito Culver
    29. Tom Kahnle
    30. Gabe Encinas
    31. Ravel Santana

  379. yankeefeminista January 28th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    And J-Ram is low. I think he will be in the top ten this year. Ditto, DePaula moving up. and Gallegos being added…

  380. yankeefeminista January 28th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    MTU, would that we were there… This place needs a hobby.

  381. J. Alfred Prufrock January 28th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Yankeefem – no Anderson Feliz??? Thumbs down on that, but that won’t last long.

    Well, that’s my contribution. Good morning and good day, all.

  382. MTU January 28th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    YF-

    Good morning. Hope he ankle continues to heal well.

    Should be an interesting MiLB season. Might even be more interestng than what the ML team does.

    :)

  383. yankeefeminista January 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Shame, Pruf I think it was clear who the fake account last night was.

  384. blake January 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Santana is a pretty talented #31

  385. MTU January 28th, 2013 at 9:02 am

    new post ——>

  386. yankeefeminista January 28th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Good morning, MTU! Thanks, I am getting there. I am pumped for minor league games, for sure. However, we’ll see quite a few of those kids in ST, including Sanchez who I am hoping gets some televised games. Austin and a number of the young bullpen arms.

  387. jmills January 28th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    MTU, I’m a long ways from being there. Shame, I have no issue with you. Maybe I’ve upset some people and if so, sorry.

  388. blake January 28th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    @BillShaikin: #Dodgers and Time Warner Cable officially announce TV deal.

    Is cano a dodger yet?

  389. Shame Spencer January 28th, 2013 at 9:11 am

    :arrow:

  390. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 11:46 am

    An offset to this is a true story that happened when I was still a law student, very early on. I guess I brought my rose-colored glasses to that venture too because I was stunned silent by what happened. The head of the public defenders office came to talk to us about working for the PD. I went to speak to him privately afterward and (naively as it turned out) asked him if it would bother him if he found out that he had gotten someone off who was actually guilty. He looked me like I had two heads and said that he estimated 98% of the clients who came to him were guilty. I then even more naively asked him if it bothered him to sleep at night knowing he defended a guilty client. He said not at all. And then turned his back on me and talked to someone else.

    I know it can become a slippery slope because every accused has the right to a vigorous defense and the guaranteed constitutional protections. But candor to the tribunal is part of the Model Rules, and knowingly defending someone who is guilty and getting them off is not candor to the tribunal. But again, we both know that it happens every day of the week.

    You may not agree with my opinion, but I hope you can at least respect it.

  391. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 11:47 am

    austin, the last time a nation-wide survey was taken, lawyers were either at or near the bottom of the “most respected professions”. What do you think the reason is for that? I am giving you my opinion and how I feel. You may not agree with it, but since you asked some questions, I will tell you my feelings. It’s my truth, and you can’t take it away from me. I have no respect whatsoever for attorneys who go into court and say whatever they have to in order to get their clients off. They know damned well that the client is guilty as sin, but if they can find loopholes they do it. We both know they exist and clutter the courthouses every day of the week. To me they are as much scum as the people they are representing. If there are defense attorneys out there who are defending clients who are innocent, of course they have my respect. If you listened to the Clemens hearings, there was a lot of information that the jury did not hear. But we the public heard it

  392. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 11:50 am

    .) I felt the same way about OJ’s Dream Team. Kardashian later came out and said he believed OJ was guilty. By the way, I feel the same way about government prosecutors or plaintiff’s attorneys who withhold the truth or commit any kind of fraud. My feeling is, though, that it’s a lot more prevalent with defense attorneys. But I detest any kind of falsity put forward in an attempt to win a case. I would never do it and I’ve never done it.

  393. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    . And a lot of it was damning to Clemens, but the judge decided it couldn’t come in, for legally defensible reasons. I acknowledge that. But it doesn’t mean the evidence doesn’t exist. Hardin was everywhere with his defense, and anytime something incriminating showed up, he had a newly-minted story about why it was irrelevant to the case. You may consider him an excellent defense attorney – and by definition of getting his client off, I guess he would be. I consider him a hired gun and a prost*tute. (I absolutely believe he knew Clemens used steroids. As I said, some of the evidence he managed to keep out was extremely damning.)


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