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As Gardner emerges, Yankees will find out what they have

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 29, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Obviously some other things came up today, but I do think this morning’s Pinc Hitter post is worth discussing. After all, it is kind of amazing that after five years, we’re still not entirely sure what Brett Gardner can do.

The bulk of his big league experience has come in left field, not center, so we have yet to see his glove in its most natural and impactful environment. Despite marginal left-right splits — his career on-base percentage is actually higher against lefties — there’s always been a tendency to platoon him, so he’s only come close to 600 plate appearances in a season once. His career slash line (.266/.355/.368) is remarkably similar to Michael Bourn’s (.272/.339/.365), yet Bourn is a two-time All-Star while Gardner remains fairly anonymous.

Small tangent to prove just how annonymous Gardner is. — Last spring, Daily News beat writer Mark Feinsand and I went for a quick postgame dinner at Chipotle. The guy waiting on us had a Yankees tatoo on his arm and was telling people in line that one of the actual Yankees had just been in the restaurant to get a burrito. The guy behind the counter was extremely excited by this brush with fame, yet he couldn’t remember the player’s name. He said it was the fast little left fielder. Mark asked if it was Gardner. “Yeah, that’s his name!” the guy said.

Anyway, this morning, Pinch Hitter Emilio made the case that Gardner coming back from injury will be the Yankees “biggest improvement” since last season. A few days ago, Mike Axisa wrote something similar about Gardner’s potential impact. If you’re waiting for me to disagree, well…

Mariano Rivera is also coming back from an injury, but Rivera-for-Soriano is a fairly even swap. Ichiro Suzuki will be with the Yankees for a full year this season, but at this point of his career, he’s probably not a better player than Nick Swisher. Kevin Youkilis is a new face, but he’s not necessarily an upgrade on Alex Rodriguez.

So, yes, I agree that Gardner is going to be the Yankees biggest upgrade. He won’t hit for Raul Ibanez’s power, but he’ll certainly play better defense and give the Yankees a different sort of threat. Getting Gardner off the disabled list could be the equivalent of signing Bourn, except without the large contract and lost draft pick.

Just two questions to add: Does the current roster mean the Yankees finally in a position to take full advantage of Gardner’s skill set? And after he turns 30 near the end of the season, will Gardner play a role in whatever comes next, or will he be dismissed as a part of the previous era?

Putting Gardner in center field would be a good start toward a positive answer to the first question. Part of Gardner’s value comes in his ability to play center, and he has the potential of being an impact defensive player at the position. Another step toward taking full advantage might be putting him at the very top of the order. He has a career .355 on-base percentage, and even in his down years he’s had an OBP of .345. If that’s a repeatable statistic and Gardner can reach base more often than Ichiro — who had a .340 OBP after coming to the Yankees last year — then Gardner belongs at the top of the order, with Jeter second and Robinson Cano third. If Gardner really can produce like Bourn, then the Yankees have to treat him like Bourn.

Beyond 2013, Gardner’s future might depend on cost and alternatives. He has one year of arbitration left, which means he’s under team control for 2014 and could hit the open market before the 2015 season. Slade Heathcott and Mason Williams are on their way, but can the Yankees count on them enough to let go of a potential value signing like Gardner?

This season offers a chance to really discover what Gardner can do. When the Yankees find out, they just might have a player worth keeping.

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226 Responses to “As Gardner emerges, Yankees will find out what they have”

  1. Jerkface January 29th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    MLB Network’s 2013 Top Prospects, so far the only Yankee I’ve seen is Gary Sanchez #36.

    I missed the first 10 minutes so maybe another yankee snuck in there in 37-50, but seems this is it for the Yanks to start 2013.

  2. mick January 29th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    AndrewMarchand profile

    AndrewMarchand A-Rod has a unique talent. He has won 2 MVPs and led Yanks to one WS title & he couldn’t be more hated by the team’s fans.
    ==============================
    Fans are people too and don’t like being lied to.

  3. RMS January 29th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    As much as Alex is hated is as much as Jeter is loved.

  4. joeman January 29th, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    there’s my player..B.Gardner

  5. yankeefeminista January 29th, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    Mason was 41, FWIW. The footage was lame (limited) for both Mason and Sanchez.

    Stop projecting your hatred for Alex onto Yankee fans, Andrew Marchand.

  6. Against All Odds January 29th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    So I’m guessing the other names will be leaked tonight or sometime in the morning

  7. yankeefeminista January 29th, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Austin was 75, JF.

    Odds, they should reveal all lists, 2003 as well. Tired of the BS, going back years with mlb. And I will say it again. I have attended almost every home game that Alex has played since he came to the Yankees. He always busted his butt and was a great great player. I feel privileged to have watched Alex play. No qualifiers.

  8. Against All Odds January 29th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    Yea it was fun to watch him play in his hey day.it sucks that he’s going through this but this falls on his shoulders. You can tell all fans are sick of it. Not him necessarily but steroids in general.

  9. blake January 29th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    Yankee fans probably wouldn’t hate Arod so much if Hal wouldn’t hold the team hostage becAuse of his contract

  10. Felix Unger January 29th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    A-Roid take the giant leap off the bridge yet ?

    Rapidly declining skills, broken down body, liar and a cheat.

    What’s to like ?

    Not a damn thing.

  11. blake January 29th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    @DCameronFG: I got a sneak peak of the SEA ZIPS projections going up on @FanGraphs tomorrow. Morales and Morse projected for +2.2 WAR… combined.

  12. blake January 29th, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    @jnorris427: Sanchez 36, Williams 41, Austin 75 on the actual Top 100 from MLB. #Yankees. Could see all three at some point with @trentonthunder this yr.

  13. Giuseppe Franco January 29th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Too many Yankee fans are idiots and have disliked A-Rod since he donned the pinstripes.

    The PED stuff was just another means to hate him even more.

  14. RMS January 29th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    Alex is a cheat, just like many other players. And I agree that all players names should be made public.

  15. Against All Odds January 29th, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    It*

  16. yankeefeminista January 29th, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    Odds, if true, it does fall on his shoulders, but I just have a hard time knowing who is and isn’t using, so I have no idea how transgressive he is being. It sounds like usage is pervasive in the sport. I am frankly tired of mlb’s phony morality especially vs. football’s more realistic one. If they really want to get PEDs out of the game, then implement harsher penalities.

    Norris not exactly going out on a limb there regarding those three being in Trenton at some point this year. Hopefully, Sanchez post ASB.

  17. yankeefeminista January 29th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    GF, QFT. Another excuse to hate him for those who always have.

  18. Against All Odds January 29th, 2013 at 10:15 pm

    Very well said YF

  19. yankeefeminista January 29th, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Meanwhile Yanks keep pushing those Opening Day 12 game plans in emails… :(

  20. Joe from Long Island January 29th, 2013 at 10:18 pm

    Hi, GF, how are you? Hope you and yours are well. It’s been a while. We’re fine here. Healthy lifestyle helps a lot, but you know that.

    Agreed about Alex; though, he does make it hard on himself. Kind of makes one appreciate that they don’t put names on jerseys, only pinstripes and a number….

  21. yankeefeminista January 29th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Michael Kay inking a new multi-year deal with YES is the icing on the cake. What a lousy day.

  22. RMS January 29th, 2013 at 10:28 pm

    Poor Alex.

  23. austinmac January 29th, 2013 at 10:29 pm

    YF,

    I will be very curious to see how ticket sales progress.

  24. Rich in NJ January 29th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    “Yankee fans probably wouldn’t hate Arod so much if Hal wouldn’t hold the team hostage becAuse of his contract”

    The contract itself is a source of a lot of the hate, but the hate should also be directed at Hal and Co. for giving it to him, because no one would have turned down that money.

  25. Ys Guy January 29th, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    “Giuseppe Franco January 29th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    Too many Yankee fans are idiots and have disliked A-Rod since he donned the pinstripes”
    ===============================================
    that would be the ‘idiots’ who were right from the start about him from day 1.

  26. Rich in NJ January 29th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    “that would be the ‘idiots’ who were right from the start about him from day 1.”

    You have no idea how long he took PEDs as a Yankee, and it’s possible that he never took them as a Yankee.

  27. Bronx Jeers January 29th, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    I’ve been a big Arod fan over the years and was seriously bummed when he got caught 4 years ago. I was just so disappointed.

    I don’t feel the same way today. I’ll try and reserve judgement until more fact are known but he’s made it near impossible to keep rooting for him.

  28. Don January 29th, 2013 at 10:45 pm

    Arod’s conduct is just plain bad. The way he cheated on his wife, and the way he cheated on baseball with his PEDs are two examples. He is not a likeable person despite his great talent.

  29. yankeefeminista January 29th, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    austinmac, sales have been trending downward, and nothing Hal, Cash and Co. have done this offseason will inspire sales to increase.

  30. Rich in NJ January 29th, 2013 at 10:49 pm

    His contract is bad (terrible, actually) because of his age at the time it was signed. But again, that’s not on him.

    It’s further proof that when owners let non-baseball considerations guide their decisions, they are fools.

  31. jacksquat January 29th, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    I thought Heathcott would be ranked up around Austin.

  32. Ys Guy January 29th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    “You have no idea how long he took PEDs as a Yankee, and it’s possible that he never took them as a Yankee.”
    ==================================
    he was a cheater before he got here and he’s still a cheater and a fraud.

    and now he’s done. thank goodness.

  33. austinmac January 29th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Rich,

    Good point on misplaced goals. On a smaller scale, we now have the Ichiro 3,000 hits consideration. It is foolishness, as winning, not individual goals ultimately creates excitement and sells tickets. A talented young position player would help too.

  34. austinmac January 29th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    I’m surprised also Heathcott wasn’t named. He seems to have a lot of ability.

  35. Rich in NJ January 29th, 2013 at 11:01 pm

    “he was a cheater before he got here and he’s still a cheater and a fraud.”

    That’s different than what you said before. Do you honestly think that you don’t currently root for any cheaters?

  36. Ys Guy January 29th, 2013 at 11:04 pm

    gf made a statement that was ridiculous given today’s news. that people who didnt like arod from the start were idiots.

    they weren’t idiots. they were right. thats all.

  37. Nilsson January 29th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Against All Odds January 29th, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    So I’m guessing the other names will be leaked tonight or sometime in the morning

    —————————————————————————————————–

    The names are already out there. It’s just that A-Rod is the biggest name, so he gets the spotlight right now. Fair or not.

    The patient records from this clinic given to the Miami newspaper also reportedly include Melky Cabrera and Bartolo Colon. Nelson Cruz and Gio Gonzalez are the other well-known ballplayers listed there. Though Cruz and Gonzalez haven’t failed MLB PED testing yet, like the others have. The facility is already being labeled east coast BALCO. So it’s probably not the best place to be associated with.

    Source of A-Rod’s latest problems

  38. Rich in NJ January 29th, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    “they weren’t idiots. they were right. thats all.”

    No one knew he was a user when he was traded here.

    So the hate was based on something other than facts.

  39. yankeefeminista January 29th, 2013 at 11:23 pm

    “they weren’t idiots. they were right. thats all.”

    What were they right about?

  40. Ys Guy January 29th, 2013 at 11:25 pm

    you’re asking what so many people always hated about arod.

    he’s a fraud. he’s always been a fraud.

    some people got that from the start.

  41. yankeefeminista January 29th, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    Then why did those same people cheer him when he got big hits? Did they forgive his being a fraud when he produced for them? or did they not think he was a fraud then?

  42. Against All Odds January 29th, 2013 at 11:29 pm

    You would be surprised how many ppl we think are choir boys are frauds. Not taking A-rod off the hook I’m just saying

  43. Rich in NJ January 29th, 2013 at 11:33 pm

    “he’s a fraud. he’s always been a fraud.”

    Yeah, a feeling. It’s like saying, I think it’s going to be sunny tomorrow. But it rains, however, it’s sunny the next day. And then the person says, see, I told you it would be sunny.

  44. G. Love January 29th, 2013 at 11:35 pm

    I was also very bummed when Arod got caught the first time. I wanted to believe he was clean and a Yankee and would take the HR record.

    Fans who booed him at the outset weren’t booing because they knew he used PED’s, they were booing because of the reported rift with Jeter which Torre did little to resolve early on as if it would be interpreted as some kind offense to Jeter to do so.

    Arod always plays hard. I’ve never thought he loafed or mailed it in at all as a Yankee.

    That being said, the lying about the drug use bothers me. I don’t understand after getting caught why he didn’t just play clean. I just can’t wrap my head around it. He had already lost a lot reputation wise getting caught the 1st time that I would think he would never want to make that mistake again while playing the game.

    It is what it is. We live in a culture where this anti-aging be your best chemical self is getting more traction by the day. I can count on 2 hands the number of people I know who take HGH or men who take Testosterone prescribed by their MD’s. I’ve had friends say to me I should look into it and try to give Dr. name’s of their anti-aging doctors but that’s not something for me at this point in my life.

    The lying is the issue and it’s a tough one to come back from if there is more evidence that implicates Arod.

    I do think we’ll never see him again in a Yankee uniform. I can’t even imagine him showing up to old timer’s day unless Jeter or Mo make it okay for him to do so.

    I just wish the guy learned his lesson. He had the contract. The money was guaranteed. Just play clean and see what you really can do without the sauce.

    It’s sad. He will only be a beloved Yankee to the fans who realize people are human and often make the same mistakes in life never learning the lessons until it’s too late. To the majority, he’ll be a pariah without a home in baseball going forward unless some miraculous news comes about exonerating everyone involved.

  45. Cashmoney January 29th, 2013 at 11:50 pm

    most of my friends hates Arod, it’a much ado with nothing … if you like him I can understand, if you don’t, fine. I personally dislike him because in some vague way he rubs me the wrong way. everyone has their own favorite guy, it’s not something that needs to be validate intelligently. it comes from our background, our ethics, our own sets of likes and dislikes.

  46. Rich in NJ January 29th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    I liked A-Rod because most people hated him. Now, I don’t care either way other than his contract is hurting the team, but again, the owners deserve primary blame for that.

  47. Cashmoney January 29th, 2013 at 11:53 pm

    he’ll be a pariah without a home in baseball going forward unless some miraculous news comes about exonerating everyone involved.
    ——-
    to me he is a half billionaire which i wish the Yankee can get rid of for the last leg of his contract. no more and no less.

  48. Bronx Jeers January 29th, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    Unless the Yanks are willing to eat the contract or the hip doesn’t let him play then I suspect that we will see Arod again.

    Even if he gets suspended and that could be a big if, he’ll most likely serve it while on the DL.

    But I do think he’ll want to come back to try and redeem himself.

  49. Cashmoney January 30th, 2013 at 12:04 am

    Jeer, I suspect if he hits 5 hrs in the playoff in 13, no one would give a … he did. at least majority of it… my take is that Aord rep maybe tarnished along with his legacy but in the end, he be fine.

  50. Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 12:09 am

    i think mlb will consider his use in three separate years as grounds for a lifetime ban.

  51. Cashmoney January 30th, 2013 at 12:17 am

    I think it’s safe to established this, the rod is hated by lot of fans that includes Yankee fans and by his own peers.

    Does the Rod ultimately give a … imo, probably not.

  52. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 12:20 am

    I don’t think he’s scared of getting booed and his legacy was pretty much shot before today anyway.

    No one will believe his denials and you can’t blame them for that considering he’s already lied on national tv. But it sucks for us because he really carried them through that 2009 postseason and now the legitimacy of that is in doubt. Now there’s an asterisk on # 27.

  53. Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 12:27 am

    mlb tells arod they are going to hit him with a lifetime ban which would mean he gets none of the remainder of his contract.

    arod agrees to retire to avoid the lifetime suspension and agrees to a settlement with the yankees.

    arod’s contract doesnt count against the yankees LT threshold beyond 2013.

    the yankees save some of what they owe arod.

    arod gets some of what the yankees owe.

    arod agrees not to sue mlb or the yankees.

    the players’ union gets $86M more yankee dollars being spent on players other than arod.

    everybody gets something, nobody gets everything.

  54. Jenna. January 30th, 2013 at 12:46 am

    I might be in the minority here, but I still don’t dislike Alex. Sorry. He’s actually still one of my favorite Yankees…why? He never EVER gives you less than 100 percent. If he struggles, he’s always trying to make adjustments instead of look like a goofball like Nick Swisher for example. I just love how fans and the media always get on this man’s case. Granted he’s brought a lot of this on to himself, but let’s not act like we’re holier than thou and don’t do things that are unethical or at least we have to question later on. We all have a past and we all have secrets and no one is perfect. I’m definitely not in favor for the usage of steroids, but to think your favorite athlete doesn’t use some form of substance legal or not to get an edge is extremely naive. From Kobe going to Germany and getting that procedure done to reports of Babe Ruth using unproven substances to get an edge to even Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris thinking scrambled eggs gave them an edge in hitting home runs. The last example might seem ridiculous to compare to the situation at hand, but the point is, if an athlete can somehow prolong their career they’ll do it. I think people really should get over themselves, because most of you that hate A-Rod loved him when he helped the Yanks win the WS in 09. Or when he reached 500 home runs and so forth. It’s a shame that this is what this man’s career has come down to, but people really need to take a look in the mirror and get a grip off of reality. This is life. Unfortunately steroids, etc is a part of sports and won’t go away anytime soon. At the end of the day A-Rod still busted his ass, and was the one that got the hits and homers you cheered for and still at age 37 you can not once say that man has never hustled. He is who he is. He’s human and he has to live with the choices he’s made, not you. Not the media. Let it go already. He won’t be the first and damn sure won’t be the last to “cheat.” And hey I might sound extremely dumb and naive, but just maybe…wait for it…the report isn’t true. If is, so what. Just my opinion *gets off soap box.*

  55. Jerkface January 30th, 2013 at 12:47 am

    Agree, A-rod is the best.

  56. Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 12:49 am

    scrambled eggs rock, btw…

  57. Jenna. January 30th, 2013 at 1:01 am

    Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 12:49 am
    scrambled eggs rock, btw…

    ——

    Lol. Personally, I’m more of an omelet gal, but if scrambled eggs are going to help me pass chemistry and microeconomics this semester, then damn it I’m having it breakfast, lunch and dinner.

  58. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 1:05 am

    You know who also busts his ass?

    Kevin Youkilis.

    :wink:

  59. Jerkface January 30th, 2013 at 1:09 am

    Bronx,

    You’re thinking of manny punching his face, common mistake.

  60. Nick in SF January 30th, 2013 at 1:11 am

    If Arod is disciplined for anything it will be for lying to Peter Gammons.

  61. sammiejohnson January 30th, 2013 at 1:16 am

    “Agree, A-rod is the best.”

    Yup. Bet he dunks his kid’s in PED’s….

  62. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 1:19 am

    I actually prefer the Porcello hip throw. Pound for pound it’s probably the best case of Youkilis getting his ass busted.

  63. Nick in SF January 30th, 2013 at 1:25 am

    BTW, the Yankees were at 15-1 to win the WS at my sportsbook a few weeks ago.

    I just looked and now they’re at 14-1, slightly more favored to win.

    It’s got to be because we signed Juan Rivera.

  64. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 1:41 am

    Maybe I am being naive, but shouldn’t hustle be a given?

    There is one reason that I still support A-Rod a little, and that is because he gets crucified while Ortiz, who we know cheated as well, is still treated like a talented clown.

  65. Cashmoney January 30th, 2013 at 1:56 am

    I think Mets fans have something to watch in 13 with wheeler and d’arnaud on the verge along with Harvey. There are some legit talents there.

  66. Cashmoney January 30th, 2013 at 2:01 am

    I am sure Mets be willing to discuss Flores, on another thought, they could try him in the OF. Mets getting Bourn is almost equivalent to Indians getting Swisher to me, in a sense that I don’t think either are contenders that are missing complimentary parts. If the Mets desire some credibility as a franchise, that money can be better allocated imo.

  67. Felix Unger January 30th, 2013 at 2:28 am

    Poor Alex………………yeah sure thing

    He brought it on himself.

    No one twisted his arm to put these things in his body.

    Loser

  68. Duh Innings II January 30th, 2013 at 5:54 am

    The Yankees should’ve offered A-Rod a half-decade and $138.75M after he opted out and bid him farewell if he wanted a year and/or a penny more. Had they made that offer and A-Rod accepted it, 2012 would’ve been his last season under contract and the Yanks could’ve simply let him go. Instead, they stupidly gave him a decade and $275M / job security through age 42 and will most likely have to pay every penny of that (or that minus whatever he makes this year if he doesn’t play a single game.) Who was giving him six or more years after 2007, the Red Sox? Why would they overpay for him when they just came off their second World Series championship in four years?

    The Yankees should banish A-Rod starting with not playing him in 2013 and trade for a kid they could start at 3B and in the #9 slot in 2014. Hopefully this kid could be as productive as 1999-2001 Scott Brosius which isn’t much but pretty good for a #9 hitter and the price (< $2M for his first three seasons.) I say package Tyler Austin and Eduardo "I Can't Play Defense" Nunez for this kid who would most likely have to be blocked at 3B e.g. the San Diego Padres AAA 3B blocked by Chase Headley, the Mets AAA 3B blocked by David Wright, and so on.

  69. Duh Innings II January 30th, 2013 at 5:54 am

    * $137.5M (half of $275M.)

  70. Chip January 30th, 2013 at 5:58 am

    My guess is that Gardner will be the team’s starting CF in 2013 and 2014. I don’t think Williams or Heathcott would be ready to displace him by then and even if one or both is major league ready – the Yankees might break them in in the corners. Same goes for Abe Almonte who has the defensive skills to play CF should he ever stay healthy enough to make it to the majors.

    MLB released its list of the top 100 prospects – three Yankees made the list: Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams and Tyler Austin. Sanchez was mid 30′s, Williams was early 40s and Austin was around 75.

  71. PacoDooley January 30th, 2013 at 6:34 am

    The NYT has an opinion piece on A-Rod and they connect his signing to not trading for Miguel Cabrera that season. I’m not sure that they could have made that move (and wasn’t Cabrera playing 1B when he arrived in Detroit), but if so, then I am even more annoyed.

  72. pat January 30th, 2013 at 7:04 am

    Would insurance fraud keep someone out of the HOF? :wink:

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......um=twitter

  73. PacoDooley January 30th, 2013 at 7:11 am

    I said it before and I will say it again – this report on A-Rod etc. looks very fishy. I am not yet willing to jump on the condemn A-Rod bandwagon. The construction of the evidence in the notebooks looks a little too convenient and feels like a fabrication to me (why would anyone write the players real names in a log book?). If one or more of the players does not sue the newspaper, then I assume that there is fire behind the smoke, but I will wait to see.

  74. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 7:15 am

    To prevail in a lawsuit v. the newspaper, as public figures, they would have to prove malice: knowledge of falsity of the report, or reckless disregard for its truth or falsity, so it is a very high bar to overcome.

  75. blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:25 am

    jacksquat says:
    January 29, 2013 at 10:51 pm
    I thought Heathcott would be ranked up around Austin.

    BA has him ranked ahead of both Austin and Sanchez….he might be the most talented prospect they have but the injury history is knocking him down….if he is healthy in 2013 and hits at Trenton then he will fly up the rankings

  76. blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:26 am

    “The NYT has an opinion piece on A-Rod and they connect his signing to not trading for Miguel Cabrera that season. I’m not sure that they could have made that move (and wasn’t Cabrera playing 1B when he arrived in Detroit), but if so, then I am even more annoyed.”

    That’s a reach IMo….they coulda done both if they wanted.

  77. PacoDooley January 30th, 2013 at 7:28 am

    Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 7:15 am
    To prevail in a lawsuit v. the newspaper, as public figures, they would have to prove malice: knowledge of falsity of the report, or reckless disregard for its truth or falsity, so it is a very high bar to overcome.
    ———————–

    I suppose – but if the evidence is flimsy and falsified you would think that there is room for a defamation or slander charge in there. The problem with pushing this in an American court is that I believe you have to prove it is false (unlike Britain where the newspaper would have to prove it is true).

  78. PacoDooley January 30th, 2013 at 7:31 am

    blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:26 am
    “The NYT has an opinion piece on A-Rod and they connect his signing to not trading for Miguel Cabrera that season. I’m not sure that they could have made that move (and wasn’t Cabrera playing 1B when he arrived in Detroit), but if so, then I am even more annoyed.”

    That’s a reach IMo….they coulda done both if they wanted.
    ——————

    I agree – they had a diminished Giambi at 1B and could have used him at DH and Cabrera at 1B. That story equates Cabrera with 3B, but I imagine that the baseball world saw him as a 1B (where he would still be if the Fielder situation hadn’t pushed him back to 3B).

  79. blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:32 am

    They brought up on mlbradio this morning something that you don’t hear much about re: PEDs….the addiction factor that there may be. ….not so much in a chemical sense but in an emotional or mental addiction to the way it makes you feel…..doesn’t justify it but its probably a factor in why guys continue to do it

  80. blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:33 am

    Miggy has fine worse things off the field than Alex has…. But he can still hit

  81. blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:35 am

    @Ken_Rosenthal: How the #Yankees can escape A-Rod’s contract without voiding it. Column: http://t.co/MlGTiLaQ

    I think it’s funny that people actually think Arod will just retire

  82. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 7:38 am

    The problem with pushing this in an American court is that I believe you have to prove it is false
    -

    Not just that the assertion is false, that the newspaper knew it to be false or that they really didn’t bother to find out in a reasonable manner.

  83. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 7:39 am

    “Absence of Malice” with Sally Field and Paul Newman is a very good movie.

    Coincidentally, Sally field plays a reporter for a Miami newspaper that runs an erroneous story about Newman’s character being investigated for a murder.

  84. Doreen January 30th, 2013 at 7:40 am

    In answer to a question posed by Harold reynolds, the editor of the newspaper first said they could not reveal their source, but did say that they cover a lot of Miami baseball items, made a snide remark about the Marlins being one of the most expensive mistakes (paraphrasing) in baseball, and then went on to say that someone approached them with this information and they pursued it.

    My one question is this: why did the source not go to the Miami Herald or the Miami Sun Times? Why a small weekly paper? Or did the source in fact go to the larger papers and get turned away? Or was it simply a matter of the source having a personal connection or at least a familiarity with a person at the New Times?

    Was MLB the source?

    To me, that is more intriguing than the idea that there are still players in baseball who use PEDs. After all, what is the disincentive to use for those so inclined? Once you weigh out the risk of being caught to the reward if you can get away with it?

  85. blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:41 am

    I think the source was an ex employee of that clinic

  86. PacoDooley January 30th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:35 am
    @Ken_Rosenthal: How the #Yankees can escape A-Rod’s contract without voiding it. Column: http://t.co/MlGTiLaQ

    I think it’s funny that people actually think Arod will just retire
    ——————————-

    I disagree – if he is diminished to the point that he is basically a bench player that does some DH and pinch hitting duty then I could see some pride making a decision. I know it is a massive amount of money, but he has also made more than anyone in the history of the game (and presumably sports history – not including endorsements).

    If the team refuses to release him and marginalizes him, then I could see it happening (unlikely, yes, but possible, especially since he might hope it will help his public image as the guy that didn’t get paid for doing nothing).

  87. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    But he can still hit
    -
    That’s really it, isn’t it? Not only do people think that A-Rod is lying, they think he is done as a very good hitter.

    My guess is that he will be playing for the Yankees this season, at some point, and producing an .830 or better OPS.

  88. Mike Ri January 30th, 2013 at 7:42 am

    shamefully …I do Juice . ..and Blake your right . . Its not just a physical thing … Juice gives you a boost of confidence and a sense of invincibility, both in and out of the gym.

  89. Doreen January 30th, 2013 at 7:43 am

    Blake, Harold Reynolds raised the addiction side on Hot Stove yesterday. The addiction to the feeling that you can do anything you want to do, feeling strong.

  90. PacoDooley January 30th, 2013 at 7:45 am

    Two thoughts to keep in mind -

    1) This situation can be a positive – it hopefully again demonstrates to the non-baseball people that they need to leave it up to the baseball people to make decisions. They overruled Cashman here and it is obvious that they made a mistake.

    2) They need to be careful in attacking Alex and damaging their position as a team that players want to play for. In the early to mid 90′s players actively avoided playing in the Bronx (think of Maddux for example), but in the last few years players wanted to come to NY. They need to keep that mentality and edge, and suing Alex or publicly embarrassing him could hurt.

  91. Doreen January 30th, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Blake

    Probably so…I was having a little fun with conspiracy theorizing. Which I do not do as a rule, but could not help going there this time.

  92. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 7:47 am

    The Yankees weren’t good in the early ’90s. Players started to want to play here when they became good.

  93. blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:49 am

    Mike Ri January 30th, 2013 at 7:42 am
    shamefully …I do Juice . ..and Blake your right . . Its not just a physical thing … Juice gives you a boost of confidence and a sense of invincibility, both in and out of the gym.

    can you catch?

  94. Mike Ri January 30th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    Mike Ri January 30th, 2013 at 7:42 am
    shamefully …I do Juice . ..and Blake your right . . Its not just a physical thing … Juice gives you a boost of confidence and a sense of invincibility, both in and out of the gym.

    can you catch?

    —————-
    LOL LOL

  95. blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:50 am

    “I disagree – if he is diminished to the point that he is basically a bench player that does some DH and pinch hitting duty then I could see some pride making a decision”

    if he decides he doesn’t want to play anymore though then all he has to do is find a doctor that will deem him unable to play because of two bad hips….and then he goes home and still gets paid

  96. Doreen January 30th, 2013 at 7:51 am

    The Yankees had no choice but to stand behind Alex the first go ’round, really. This time they are wise to stand by for a while to see how it plays out.

    Question: Assuming this is all accurate, do you think they might have had an idea that Alex was using HGH to help his rehab?

    And more generally, do you think a team is ever surprised to learn about a player of theirs who has used? Do you think they sit in fear that one of their payers will be caught? Or do they really have no idea?

  97. blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:52 am

    “That’s really it, isn’t it? Not only do people think that A-Rod is lying, they think he is done as a very good hitter.”

    of course….do we see anybody trying to void Gio Gonzalez’s contract? No because he’s still good and because he’s cheap……if Arod were playing like he used to then the Yanks would be downplaying this thing like crazy…..they want out from under than contract because he’s close to shot as a player.

  98. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 7:54 am

    shamefully …I do Juice . ..and Blake your right . . Its not just a physical thing … Juice gives you a boost of confidence and a sense of invincibility, both in and out of the gym.

    ————

    Thanks for sharing. So much is said in here regarding the effects of steroids. I would guess that 99% of it comes from people with no first-hand knowledge.

  99. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Question: Assuming this is all accurate, do you think they might have had an idea that Alex was using HGH to help his rehab?
    -

    I think every team in MLB had should have been concerned that every player on their roster might be doing some form of PED for the last 20 years.

  100. blake January 30th, 2013 at 7:57 am

    I think this voiding of the contract stuff is merely a threat to show Alex that they are ready to move on….they have almost no chance to win a case like this and as with Pavano and Giambi they will drop it short of actually going through with it IMO….

    I do think Alex may have played his last game as a Yankee however and that one of 3 things will happen 1) they buy him out at a amount less than the 114 he’s owed….they’d still count the same towards the luxury tax but at least they’d save some contract money 2) he finds a doctor to say he’s unable to play and he goes on the perma DL 3) they eat a large portion of his contract and find somebody to trade him to if he gets healthy.

    The 2 best scenarios for the Yankees are also the most unlikely ones (voiding the contract and him just straight retiring)

  101. Doreen January 30th, 2013 at 7:58 am

    I guess another question is why can I as private citizen go to a clinic like this and get treatments and it would be perfectly fine? Are these substances legal in the world at large? Where is the line drawn?

    I am seriously asking.

  102. Cashmoney January 30th, 2013 at 8:00 am

    For every action there are myriads of factors behind it, in the end it’s incumbent upon the actioner to accept responsibility for his act.

    I am sure to a serial killer that acts of murder is an addiction. is it insightful, not really.

  103. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    3) they eat a large portion of his contract and find somebody to trade him to if he gets healthy.
    -
    I think that is the most likely, but he needs to play for the Yankees this season for that to happen. And as I said, I think he will.

  104. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Good morning
    Question? If Alex is found guilty and MLB suspends him 100 games without pay how does that count towards luxury tax for the Yankees?

  105. Cashmoney January 30th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    rich, I think we be lucky if he ops 830, my guess is 800 or below.

  106. Shame Spencer January 30th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Ian O’Conner was on Mike and Mike calling Arod’s entire career… get this… a hoax.

    Hoax must be the new buzz word.

    His career was much more real than a woman that did not die of leukemia.

    Ray Lewis must be stoked right now though.. he’s got less than a week until he plays in a Championship game and normally at a time when football would be front and center his own PED usage is being shunted aside for Arod.

  107. blake January 30th, 2013 at 8:02 am

    “I guess another question is why can I as private citizen go to a clinic like this and get treatments and it would be perfectly fine? Are these substances legal in the world at large? Where is the line drawn?”

    I guess it’s a subjective line….you can’t just take HGH un-monitored and without being under a physicians care….but it is prescribed in certain cases for certain conditions. As we discussed yesterday I think it’s possible that one day HGH may be a more mainstream drug if they find that benefits outweight the risks to people. Percocet is a legal drug too…..but it can be used in an illegal way.

  108. Shame Spencer January 30th, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Yankee Trader January 30th, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Good morning
    Question? If Alex is found guilty and MLB suspends him 100 games without pay how does that count towards luxury tax for the Yankees?

    ———————-

    It changes the real dollars we have to spend on him but doesn’t change his luxury tax hit. As far as I can tell, even if MLB bans him forever (which they won’t) we still need to pay out the contract.

    There is literally NO WAY to get out from paying other than if he willingly retires and leaves money on the table.

  109. Shame Spencer January 30th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    HGH is legal with a prescription.

  110. Shame Spencer January 30th, 2013 at 8:04 am

    That’s federally too, I’m pretty sure.. not like weed lol.

    Steroids are more legal than weed.

    *Sigh*

  111. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Cash

    He was good after his last surgery, and then could not stay healthy. I think that will happen again.

  112. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    At this point I think it would be difficult to find a team that would accept ARod into their clubhouse no matter what the discount.

    He’s always been a hot mess and now he’s off the charts. Maybe he could play softball with Eric Byrnes.

  113. Cashmoney January 30th, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Doreen, I recommend weed for private citizen.

  114. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Steroids are more legal than weed
    -

    Yet another sign that the Apocolypse is near.

  115. Doreen January 30th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Rich

    I have no doubt about concern. What I am wondering about is actual knowledge and/or a high level of suspicion.

    My thinking is that teams cannot really get on a high horse if they kind of go along with this as long as it is beneficial to the team.

    The Yankees or any other team likely doesn’t care. As others have said or implied, if ARod was still producing or at least able to stay healthy for a full season any more, there wouldn’t be a gazillion articles about how the Yankees were looking to get out of his contract. It’s not about the PEDs. It’s about bang for their buck. And possibly the PR headache that ARod can have a tendency to be. High Maintenance.

  116. PacoDooley January 30th, 2013 at 8:08 am

    Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:01 am
    3) they eat a large portion of his contract and find somebody to trade him to if he gets healthy.
    -
    I think that is the most likely, but he needs to play for the Yankees this season for that to happen. And as I said, I think he will.
    ————————————————

    I actually think it is the least likely, especially as his injuries and declining production erode his marginal value. I think he is likely to come back to the Yankees and play the end of 2013 and all of 2014 and then be deemed physically unable to play as his hips continue to be a problem. The team will then get the insurance money to cover his salary and hopefully use the dollars saved for something else (though I don’t see a way to avoid the luxury tax implications of his salary).

  117. Shame Spencer January 30th, 2013 at 8:12 am

    My problem with these articles about the Yankees exploring ways to get out from under this contract is that it seems to mostly be shotty journalism at best. They’re sensationalized headlines with absolutely no content because the ultimate answer is that the only way out of the contract is for Arod to retire.

  118. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    I actually think it is the least likely, especially as his injuries and declining production erode his marginal value…
    -

    If a team trades for A-Rod after a productive couple of months to close this season, and is only on the hook go like $4-5m a year for 4 years (with insurance), they have a relatively cheap player who may or may not still be able to produce, but he will likely drive ticket sales and TV ratings.

  119. Cashmoney January 30th, 2013 at 8:13 am

    Yanks got about 30 cents on a dollar in terms Rod’s production LY which is really the only thing i care about as a Yankee fan. I am pretty sure some team will take him if Yanks swallow a huge chunk of that 100 mil plus. but then what’s point, they might as well keep him unless the off field drama gets too much i guess.

  120. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    My thinking is that teams cannot really get on a high horse if they kind of go along with this as long as it is beneficial to the team
    -

    Sure, Doreen, but people are hypocrites.

  121. Doreen January 30th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Thanks for the response to the HGH availability question. I guess most athletes really would not have a treatable condition, unless recovery from injury was an accepted use?

    Such a fine line in this country where pharmaceuticals and their accepted uses (off -label) are concerned.

    Anyhoo, never had “weed.”

  122. Shame Spencer January 30th, 2013 at 8:14 am

    And let me take it a step further and say that the Yankees could be putting themselves in more jeopardy than it’s worth by trying to void it. Arod has had trouble being embraced by the org and the fans.. if they’re taking a stance that they want to get rid of him AND not pay him then I dunno what stops him from just airing it all out. Alex is already a pariah.. he might feel he has nothing to lose by going on the offensive.

  123. Cashmoney January 30th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    shame, all these guys are vying for angles to sell paper, but I am sure you already know that. Milk the rod cow tis all.

  124. blake January 30th, 2013 at 8:15 am

    “Ian O’Conner was on Mike and Mike calling Arod’s entire career… get this… a hoax.”

    yes because anybody can take PEDs and hit 600 homers…..these writers need to get real and step out of their glass houses for a few hours

  125. Doreen January 30th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    Rich, sadly true. Part of the human condition.

    Shame , I agree the articles are shoddy journalism. At least the sensational headlines are.

  126. blake January 30th, 2013 at 8:17 am

    somebody will take Arod if the Yankees eat most of the money IMO

  127. Doreen January 30th, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Shame, I also agree the Yankees have to tread carefully. That’s why I said they are wise to make a bland statement such as they did and stand back and let it play out.

  128. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:19 am

    O’Connor is a chief proponent of the “anything that is bad for A-Rod is good for Jeter” school of bizarro world “journalism.”

  129. Shame Spencer January 30th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    The thing about the writers is…. you never played. You weren’t good enough. There’s no pill that can make you a better writer but if there was they’d probably be all over it. I wonder if any of them use adderall to meet deadlines? You learn how to write when you’re in the 2nd grade. That doesn’t mean anyone can be a journalist. Just like being able to swing a bat doesn’t mean anyone can be a baseball player.

    Doreen – Shoddy! I knew there was something wrong with my spelling lol, I was thinking of calling shotty when you’re trying to get the front seat in a car lol.

  130. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    Unless it gets to the point where he needs a total hip replacement I don’t think you’ll find a doctor that will label him permanently disabled with regard to his ability to play in the majors and then have to face the consequences with the insurance company.

  131. blake January 30th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    Again it’s hilarious that Ray Lewis was caught taking essentially taking a substance that is the byproduct of what HGH becomes in the body and literally nobody cares……

  132. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    And unlike Lewis, A-Rod’s entourage never killed anyone.

  133. Shame Spencer January 30th, 2013 at 8:23 am

    If I’m Alex and the Yanks try to push too far to get out of paying me, I might go Canseco on their asses lol.

    It’d be awful from a team perspective.. fascinating from just a pure sports fan perspective.

  134. Shame Spencer January 30th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    blake January 30th, 2013 at 8:20 am

    Again it’s hilarious that Ray Lewis was caught taking essentially taking a substance that is the byproduct of what HGH becomes in the body and literally nobody cares……

    ———————

    We’re supposed to be having football shoved down our throats right now…. what a crazy turn of events. Ray Lewis needs to send Arod a gift basket.

  135. blake January 30th, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Old Hoss Radbourn ?@OldHossRadbourn
    “No, I didn’t find that knowing nothing about law, insurance, or medicine negatively impacted my A-Rod column, why?”

  136. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    …but he will likely drive ticket sales and TV ratings

    ———————————

    Is that because of the train-wreck factor or do you think people will actually want to see him play.

    Because I’ve been a fan of his for a long time and right now he’s got me pining for Kevin freakin Youkilis.

  137. 86w183 January 30th, 2013 at 8:26 am

    No one has ever cared about steroid use in the NFL. Sit four games and still make the Pro Bowl.

    It’s only the anal-retentive boneheads who vote for the Hall of Fame who equate steroid users with child molesters and armed robbers.

  138. comnsnse January 30th, 2013 at 8:27 am

    Gardner,what they have? He runs fast….but you must get on base to utilize speed.
    He is a better defensive player than Granderson………but you must provide some offense.
    He is 30 years old and still doesn’t know how to bunt,thereby dimimishing his primary skill.

    What they have is ?????

  139. Cashmoney January 30th, 2013 at 8:28 am

    I think NY will love Youk, however ephemeral his stay might be.

  140. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Shame
    I still think the Yankees given the chance will do everything in their power to void his contract
    Whether this latest accusation proves he is guilty or not he has become persona non grata in New York.

  141. 86w183 January 30th, 2013 at 8:34 am

    And unlike Lewis, A-Rod’s entourage never killed anyone.

    **************************************************************************

    And you know this how?

    There are lots of ways the Yanks/A-Rod split could be negotiated. It’s like breaking any other contract, except they’ll have to get MLB and the MLBPA to sign off.

    Frankly, if they prove a connection and relationship between Alex and Anthony Bosch I’d like to hear Hal Steinbrenner announce that Alex will never wear pinstripes again.

    If Alex wants to save face he can screw up his rehab and have an injury-related retirement. He gets the $$$, Yankees get a lot of relief from insurance and everyone can move on.

  142. pat January 30th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    craigcalcaterra

    So apparently the consensus is that A-Rod should commit insurance fraud. Lovely. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......ud-lovely/ … via @HardballTalk

  143. blake January 30th, 2013 at 8:37 am

    “And unlike Lewis, A-Rod’s entourage never killed anyone.”

    lol….maybe Alex should have been a quarterback

  144. disco stu January 30th, 2013 at 8:38 am

    Duh Innings II January 30th, 2013 at 5:54 am
    The Yankees should’ve offered A-Rod a half-decade and $138.75M after he opted out and bid him farewell if he wanted a year and/or a penny more. Had they made that offer and A-Rod accepted it, 2012 would’ve been his last season under contract and the Yanks could’ve simply let him go

    I have always felt this way ever since Arod circumvented Boras and crawled back on his own to the Yankees asking them to take him back after his opt out.

    I never begrudged the Yankees for paying him the money they did because at the time he was the best player in baseball and came off a 2007 season that was other-worldly … there was nothing to indicate that things would fall apart as they did and of course, there was no spector of using PED’s yet.

    But the Yankees bid against themselves … they SHOULD have offered a “take it or leave it” 5 year deal at top dollar and not shackled themselves for all of the depreciated value that was bound to happen in the final 5 years of a 10 year contract.

    I know people will argue its revisionist history and the Yankees plan was to reap the benefits of Arod (clean at the time of PED’s) passing Bonds as the all-time HR king. But what I never understood was this … Arod was always reviled more than beloved, long before the PED admission. He was always the poster child for spoiled, overpayed athletes and always came across as weird, aloof, smug, etc.

    Did the Yankees thing the nation would forget all of that and just throw roses at his feet as he got close and then broke the record … I don’t think so … it would have been noteworthy, but never anything close to the cultural phenomenom that occured when Hank Aaron passed the The Babe. So this organizational mindset of this windfall of cash due to merchandise, YES rating tie-ins, interviews, etc., was never going to be as big as they anticipated, IMO.

    The Yankees should have had the “stones” to stand by there initial, correct reaction of bidding him adieu once he opted out … they probably would have had either Miguel Cabrera or Adrian Beltre as his replacement by now and even if they didnt win the WS in 2009 may have already won #27 (at least) by now.

  145. yankeefeminista January 30th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    And how do we know that Miggy and/or Beltre aren’t using and won’t be busted next?

  146. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:43 am

    And you know this how?

    Know about this?

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA.....bn.01.html

  147. blake January 30th, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Benjamin Kabak ?@bkabak
    Good to see @ken_rosenthal hopping on the insurance fraud bandwagon. Federal crimes for all!

    if Arod can play and he gets a Dr to say he can’t then that’s essentially what it is…..be kinda hard to prove though given how many surgeries he’s had.

  148. pat January 30th, 2013 at 8:49 am

    “Frankly, if they prove a connection and relationship between Alex and Anthony Bosch I’d like to hear Hal Steinbrenner announce that Alex will never wear pinstripes again.”

    Ian O’Connor has already announced it for him. He said today Yankee mangement doesn’t want Alex anywhere near the team anymore and will buy him out rather than let him play for them again according to his sources.

  149. Tackelberry January 30th, 2013 at 8:50 am

    One can’t help but wonder if this will scare the Yankees away from offering a mega bucks long term deal to Cano now, even though Cano has never been linked to PEDs before.

  150. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Yeah, they will offer to buy him out at 50 cents on a dollar. Good luck with that.

    The dutiful mediots like O’Connor crucify A-Rod based on an unproved report, but remain silent on how stupid Hal was for giving him that contract, which is proved.

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Shame,

    I would be stunned If Alex were ever to name names of colleagues or teammates. I don’t believe he would ever do that.

  152. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Later.

  153. 86w183 January 30th, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Rich in NJ —-

    I know all about Ray Lewis’ role in helping guys get away with murder.

    I was questioning how you know that Alex and his minions never killed anyone….

    answer, you don’t.

    I never endorsed insurance fraud. If his rehab goes badly and he can’t play then he can’t play.

  154. ac1 January 30th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    One can’t help but wonder if this will scare the Yankees away from offering a mega bucks long term deal to Cano now, even though Cano has never been linked to PEDs before.

    ______________

    A-Rod and Melky have been pinched at one point or another (no way they haven’t considered the chance Cano is using too)….

    Either way, offering another 10 year deal is not smart.

    If he wants 10/250, let him take it from the dodgers.

  155. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    Blake-
    ARod might eventually need hip replacement surgery especially on the left hip where the physician had to shave down the femoral head.
    until he gets to the point that it is painful and he needs a hip replacement, I don’t think you’ll be able to get him as being permanently disabled from playing in the majors

  156. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 8:58 am

    @craigcalcaterra: @Ken_Rosenthal I guarantee you, insurers are reading your column today and preparing to fight any A-Rod claim of permanent disability.

  157. ac1 January 30th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    This whole Alex will never play for the Yankees again is ridiculous. He is NOT going to retire and at this point, who would trade for him? Even if the Yankees pay 80% and save 30 mil over 5 years plus performance bonuses, i dont see someone taking him on….

  158. 86w183 January 30th, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Ian O’Connor claiming it isn’t the same as Hal announcing it.

    To me, the key is some validation of the relationship. Receipts? photos? Was this guy in alex’s prime seats/luxury suite?

    The Miami baseball strength coach may well be the link that verifies/refutes the connection.

  159. J. Alfred Prufrock January 30th, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Ian O’Connor is a cheap shot artist and always full of high sentence. Whenever I’ve heard that voice I turn the dial,

  160. jacksquat January 30th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    Seems all the writers are predicting we’ve seen the last of Arod. Not sure if they all mean on the Yankees or in baseball.

    I don’t see how it happens, without insurance fraud.

    Voiding the contract is extremely unlikely.

    Arod is not just going to forfeit 114 mil and retire.

    Are the Yankees really about image, or do they just want to escape from an albatross contract? We’ll find out when they have the choice of releasing him, trading him for pennies on the dollar, or keeping him and getting what they can out of him.

    I suspect the latter.

  161. ac1 January 30th, 2013 at 9:01 am

    And Rosenthals idea of collecting the insurance instead of voiding the contract doesn’t help the team, just helps Hal get his money back. They still would have to pay it toward the luxury tax threshold…

    I say let him come back and put him on the bench and make him a back up and lets see how quickly he looks for a way out of NY.

  162. ac1 January 30th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Ray Lewis was smart. Take PEDs, come back or the playoff run and retire before NFL can investigate and suspend him.

  163. 86w183 January 30th, 2013 at 9:04 am

    I guarantee you, insurers are reading your column today and preparing to fight any A-Rod claim of permanent disability.

    ***************************************************************************

    What’s new about that? Insurers always verify disability claims before paying off. We’re not talking about wheel type disability we’re talking about the ability to play Major League Baseball. This is anything but a simple re-hab and Alex is far from a sure thing to get that hip back to full strength

  164. Against All Odds January 30th, 2013 at 9:07 am

    he’s got less than a week until he plays in a Championship game and normally at a time when football would be front and center his own PED usage is being shunted aside for Arod.

    —————————-

    Even if A-rod wasn’t involved it would be shunted. A few months ago of couple of Seattle Seahawk players were facing suspensions for PEDs. Yea it was mentioned but there wasn’t hours spent on it. Richard Sherman one of the players involved appealed it, won on a technicality but there was no outrage. Braun wins his appeal and you would think he committed a war crime.

    “According to the written decision, Sherman’s sample cup began leaking, to which the tester grabbed another cup and transferred the sample. Documentation of the leaking cup was not originally on the submitted report following the test and only when asked by a supervisor in October did the tester acknowledge the sample being transferred from the original cup.”

  165. disco stu January 30th, 2013 at 9:13 am

    “And how do we know that Miggy and/or Beltre aren’t using and won’t be busted next?”

    We don’t … just like we don’t know Cano or Grandy or Tex or Ibanez last year or hell, even Derek Jeter have been using.

    What are we going to do now, just pre-emptively guilt everyone else who has not yet been accused of cheating AS cheaters because cheating in sports as become so increasingly pervasive?

    If it has reached that level of cynnicism for certain people, then my suggestion is you stop watching sports altogether and take up another hobby.

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    there’s a whole lot of ethical and moral issues going on with alex and the yankees.

    when chad brought up the question of real fan/ fair weather bandwagon fan last week i thought about what the team it self is all about. what are the new york yankees?

    the yankees are certainly more than just the particular owner of them who is really just a caretaker of a long legacy going back over a hundred years.

    at some point there has to be something good about an organization for it to have value. for example , the KKK has no value and is obviously the bad guys. then there are corporations like some of the banking institutions who do good and bad at the same time. or other corporations in the chemical and pharmaceutical fields like monsanto and genetically modified crops which almost for sure do harm to human beings but are great for profit making.

    so here’s poor alex in a world of corporations who blur morality all the time playing for the new york yankees , a business entity that has no defined moral compass but a vague historical culture of excellence on the field.

    if the yankees don’t really know what they are all about. if they exist in a world where it’s really just the bottom line that determines winners from losers, why is anyone upset with alex rodriguez? is it simply that he got caught?

    what are fans really looking for? are the looking for the yankees to stand for something in a moral sense, in a righteous sense?

    if they are, alex rodriguez using HGH is just a tip of the iceberg as far as finding something that is wrong with the culture of the yankees. in other words it’d be pretty pompous and the pot calling the kettle black for the yankee organization to come down on alex rodriguez when the yankees have no real moral compass themselves except the bottom line.

    the yankees as an organization have allied themselves with goldman sachs which probably should have had many of it’s key executives in jail after what they did to the us housing industry and the economy. in bed with rupert murdoch? the political phone hacker and tabloid journalist ?

    seriously, what standards is it that alex rodriguez is supposed to meet up to? brain cashman’s moral standards ?

    personally i do think the yankees , when at their best historically, are about something that means something, but right now they really have no business taking the high moral ground with alex rodriguez.

    when the yankees really stand for something again, then they can take that position. for now, they really just need to slink away and let alex’s problems run their legal course.

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    Rich, it was Hank not Hal who “gave” Aroid the contract.

    Pru,are you suggesting that Aroid is loyal and honorable by not naming names of others?

    The key as always is fact,if he is once again connected the team should act……professionally!

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