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Yankees put three on MLB.com’s Top 100 Prospects list

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 30, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

How about some prospect talk at the end of another day that’s been almost all about A-Rod?

Last night on MLB Network, Jonathan Mayo and the crew at MLB.com counted down their Top 100 prospects in baseball. Three Yankees made the list: Gary Sanchez (36), Mason Williams (41) and Tyler Austin (75). The only player who I thought might make it but didn’t is Slade Heathcott, who will almost certainly shoot onto the list — probably pretty high on the list — if he has a full, healthy and productive season in Double-A.

What does a Top 100 list mean exactly? Not much in the grand scheme of things, but it’s a decent snapshot of the way players are viewed. There’s more or less no difference between No. 36 and No. 41. It’s mostly just interesting to see which players rank at the very top and which ones make the list at all.

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305 Responses to “Yankees put three on MLB.com’s Top 100 Prospects list”

  1. Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    brave new world after this year.

    no mo. no pettitte, no jeter?

    no arod?

    bring it on!

    Let’s Go Yankees!

  2. Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    no cano?

  3. Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 10:05 pm

    bring it on!

  4. Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    lebron is the best basketball player i’ve ever seen.

  5. mick January 30th, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    lebron is the best basketball player i’ve ever seen.
    =======================
    shame you never saw jordan.

  6. blake January 30th, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Ys Guy says:
    January 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm
    lebron is the best basketball player i’ve ever seen.

    You misspelled Michael Jordan

  7. Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    i saw bill russel, wilt, jerry west and erving, magic, bird and jordan.

    lebron is the best basketball player i’ve ever seen.

  8. blake January 30th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    “lebron is the best basketball player i’ve ever seen.”

    False

  9. Triple Short of a Cycle January 30th, 2013 at 10:34 pm

    3 more prospects for the Yanks to screw up

  10. Triple Short of a Cycle January 30th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Lebron seems like the best you’ve ever seen because players aren’t allowed to play defense the way they used to

  11. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    I think it’s fine if you support Arod no matter what, just as I think it’s fine it you don’t support him whatsoever.

    People are entitled to feel whatever way they choose to feel and shouldn’t be made to feel there’s something wrong with them if they look at the situation a certain way.

    My dad always used to say that there’s three sides to every story: mine, yours, and the truth. Usually the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    I know I am personally conflicted on this one. I see Arod both as a victim and as a problem. I think he drew a lot of bad attention to himself with his extremely public philandering, some onfield antics that caused him bad press, and some other missteps along the way. At the same time, I see him as an extremely sensitive person who probably puts up a front of bravado at times to hide deeper problems.

    It’s nobody’s right to tell anyone else that they shouldn’t be bothered by the things Arod has done off the field, just as it’s nobody’s right to tell people that they should be. There is no moral high ground here – just a variety of facts being processed by different people through their own lenses in life. There truly is no bully pulpit. In fact there should be no pulpit at all.

    If it is found that Arod used between 2009 and 2012, he will have been the author of his own demise. It won’t matter what is or is not advocated on this forum. It’s fruitless to blame MLB, the Yankees, or anyone else for that. Forewarned is forearmed. We’re talking an adult here, not a 5-year-old.

  12. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    @YankeeSource: Gil Meche retired rather than collecting a $12 million dollar paycheck. ““Once I started to realize I wasn’t earning my money, I felt bad.”

    ———————

    That’s freakin weird.

  13. Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    mo seems like the best reliever you’ve ever seen because relief pitchers aren’t allowed to come in when the game is on the line, then finish the game the way they used to.

    joe montana’s nfl doesnt exsist any more. neither does dr. j’s aba (or nba)

    lebron is the best basketball player i’ve ever seen.

  14. blake January 30th, 2013 at 10:40 pm

    Jordan would have been unstoppable with these rules….even more than he was

  15. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Jordan would have been unstoppable with these rules….even more than he was

    —————————-

    The same with Gretzky.

  16. Ys Guy January 30th, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    kobe is playing some crazy good b ball these days.

  17. Against All Odds January 30th, 2013 at 10:54 pm

    He maybe the most complete player you have ever seen but I don’t think he’s the best. At least not yet.

  18. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 10:55 pm

    This news about the Yankees’ prospects is probably the most exciting news of the offseason. It’s hard to get too amped about it because they haven’t been keeping their best prospects. I hope that changes, unless they are traded for an in their prime (under 27) position player or two, but as I have said, I want to keep Sanchez.

  19. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    “That’s freakin weird.”

    I think it’s admirable and commendable. Weird, yes, because we’ve come to expect sleeze and money-grubbing as the norm. Good for Meche.

  20. jacksquat January 30th, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Cervelli is taking his catching style to the player tweet feed…

  21. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    When Canseco accused Jason Giambi of using steroids, Giambi’s comment was that Canseco’s book was delusional. I always found it distrubing that there was no outrage on the part of Giambi, that he didn’t file an immediate defamation of character suit. It gave me great pause it terms of believing Giambi. And Canseco I believed from jump street because he put it all on the line publicly, something you basically don’t do when lying leaves you vulnerable to be suing by all of the accusees, 20 ways to Sunday.

    I know Arod has hired Roy Black. Is the lack of public outrage on Arod’s part due to the fact that he no longer reacts because he has seen himself as a sitting target? Perhaps. Maybe he doesn’t want to give it more dignity than it deserves. But I have always felt that when someone is being unjustly accused, especially of something of this potentially damaging, that the first thing they would do is announce that they are filing a defamation of character suit. And react with extreme anger, giving the press all kinds of sound bytes. I will admit that I am uncomfortable that this has not been the case with Arod. It makes me wonder, the same way I wondered when Jason called Canseco’s book delusional and then went about his business.

  22. BD (Boston Dave) January 30th, 2013 at 11:11 pm

    Jose Iglesias is still in the top 100 at #96

    that alone renders their top 100 list as a farce

    and still can’t believe KC traded away Myers.

  23. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    And in the end as we sow, so shall we reap.

    It matters not how strait the gate,
    How charged with punishments the scroll.
    I am the master of my fate:
    I am the captain of my soul.

    I hope against hope that the charge against Arod is all one big lie…

    Buona notte.

  24. Jerkface January 30th, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Jose Iglesias is still in the top 100 at #96

    that alone renders their top 100 list as a farce

    and still can’t believe KC traded away Myers.

    Don’t pay MLB.com’s top 100 too much mind. Mayo weights guys who are likely to play in the majors that year + fantasy tools guys more than other publications, because MLB wants to hype these guys.

  25. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    This news sucks too???? Damn.

  26. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Kepner gets this right:

    Rodriguez had, in fact, seen Galea, and baseball officials and the Yankees remain unsure that they know the extent of his links to performance-enhancing drugs. The Yankees might be inclined to overlook that if Rodriguez were still an elite player. But his production slips every year.

    That fact, of course, cannot be forgotten. If Rodriguez were a healthy superstar, the Yankees would still want him around. They might have even supported him in their terse statement on Tuesday, which pledged support for baseball’s drug program and noted that the matter was now under the jurisdiction of the commissioner’s office.

    Yup.

  27. Jerkface January 30th, 2013 at 11:22 pm

    Rich,

    The news kind of sucks because Heathcott is probably going to be on every other top 100, but the 3 guys who did make MLB’s top 100 will also be on every other list in some form.

    Though the majority will probably put Mason over Sanchez.

  28. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Trisha,

    That’s kind of what Rusty Hardin was saying today. If youre innocent you need to scream it from the highest rooftop. Of course he was also saying that his client was successful in clearing his name so he’s obviously not grounded in reality.

  29. Rich in NJ January 30th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    Thanks, Jerkface.

  30. Phranchise January 30th, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    30 other mlb players may be named. If Cano popped up on this list would it be a bigger story than Arod? I mean I hate the guilt by association, but they were all tight and worked out together. That alone would scare me off the massive long term deal.

    And Jordan is the greatest player ever to play the game. Lebron plays in a league of no contact, zone defenses with no true centers. The NBA is so watered down where guys like Jrue Holiday and Zach Randolph are all stars. I mean they are solid players, but come on. How many NBA players these days would you actually pay decent money to go and watch live?

  31. Phranchise January 31st, 2013 at 12:08 am

    By the way, we all know the Yankees have knowledgable fans, hence why I like reading the posts here. Want some fun, check out the article on CNNSI about the Angels poor far system and check out the comments. Guy giving the Yankees grief for trading Andrew McCutchen to the Pirates in the Xavier Nady trade. Comments about the Yankees farm system with Romine being its only prospect. Some of the posts on that site are simply cringworthy

  32. jacksquat January 31st, 2013 at 12:12 am

    Phranchise January 30th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
    30 other mlb players may be named. If Cano popped up on this list would it be a bigger story than Arod? I mean I hate the guilt by association, but they were all tight and worked out together. That alone would scare me off the massive long term deal.

    In the offseason Arod, Melky and others (not all are Yankess) were in Miami, Cano had “Camp Cano” in the DR. I don’t know that they worked out together much.

  33. pat January 31st, 2013 at 12:22 am

    When asked if Hal Steinbrenner’s edict to get the payroll under $189 million for 2014 might stand in the way of business as usual, Cashman simply said, “No.”

    The GM didn’t elaborate but did seem to leave open the possibility that the $189 million ceiling, which would allow the Yankees to avoid severe luxury-tax penalties, isn’t necessarily etched in stone.

    “Is it absolute?” he asked. “It’s the goal.”

  34. pat January 31st, 2013 at 12:52 am

    oops… link

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1251812

  35. Nick in SF January 31st, 2013 at 1:28 am

    Don’t tease us, Cashman. :mad:

  36. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 7:01 am

    The NBA is so watered down where guys like Jrue Holiday and Zach Randolph are all stars. I mean they are solid players, but come on

    ————–

    You can make a similar statement about Jordan the later removed he was from the 80s. Teams like the Nets, 6ers and Grizzles were door mats, no true dominate team in the West or East, expansion , etc

  37. Triple Short of a Cycle January 31st, 2013 at 7:06 am

    You can make a similar statement about Jordan the later removed he was from the 80s. Teams like the Nets, 6ers and Grizzles were door mats, no true dominate team in the West or East, expansion , etc

    ——————————

    Every era has doormats

  38. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 7:37 am

    True and that’s the point of the statement. It doesn’t take away from what Lebron is doing. SMH can’t believe I’m defending Lebron right now lol.

  39. blake January 31st, 2013 at 7:38 am

    When Lebrron wins 3 titles in a row….goes and plays baseball then comes back and wins 3 more in a row we can talk about him in the same breathe as MJ.

    If Jordan’s dad hadnt been murdered he likely woukd have won 8 straight championships….think about that

  40. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Well there is a lot of different reasons why he decided to go play baseball. His father being murdered is one of the reasons I’ve heard.

  41. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 7:52 am

    Mj sucked as a baseball player.
    adding his stellar aa baseball career only weakens your argument.

  42. blake January 31st, 2013 at 7:54 am

    “Well there is a lot of different reasons why he decided to go play baseball. His father being murdered is one of the reasons I’ve heard.”

    there was the gambling accusations as well but the consensus is that his father’s murder was the main reason….he dad always wanted him to be a baseball player and he just needed to get away from the NBA and try that for his dad so he said. He was a pretty bad baseball player….but when you consider that he really hadn’t played since little league and basically just stepped into the sally league…..he did ok…..

  43. blake January 31st, 2013 at 7:57 am

    “Mj sucked as a baseball player.
    adding his stellar aa baseball career only weakens your argument.”

    his baseball career has nothing to do with my argument….the argument is that he would have won 8 titles in a row had he not quit to go play baseball…..also I’d like to see you not play baseball since you were 12 years old and step into pro ball and drive in 53 runs and steal 30 bags at the AA level….

  44. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 8:01 am

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 7:54 am
    “Well there is a lot of different reasons why he decided to go play baseball. His father being murdered is one of the reasons I’ve heard.”

    there was the gambling accusations as well but the consensus is that his father’s murder was the main reason….he dad always wanted him to be a baseball player and he just needed to get away from the NBA and try that for his dad so he said. He was a pretty bad baseball player….but when you consider that he really hadn’t played since little league and basically just stepped into the sally league…..he did ok…..

    ————————–

    Yea he was bad as a baseball player. Tito was his manager right. I wonder how that was dealing with a star like that.

  45. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:02 am

    everybody talks about how bad MJ was as a baseball player….how many people do you think could literally not play the game for like 20 years…..then step into AA at age 31 and hit .202? There are professional baseball players that have been playing their whole lives that can’t hit .202 and steal 30 bags at the AA level……

  46. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Not sure about 8 in a row. Those Hakeem lead Houston Rockets were pretty good. Would they have been the best Western team they ever faced?

  47. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:04 am

    yea Tito was his manager…..Jordan bought the team a new bus and did lots of stuff….obviously the only reason he got the opportunity though was because the Bulls owner also owned the White Sox…..

  48. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:05 am

    “Not sure about 8 in a row. Those Hakeem lead Houston Rockets were pretty good. Would they have been the best Western team they ever faced?”

    eh yea they were good…..but when you win 3 straight then leave then come back and immediately win 3 more then there is a pretty good chance you would have have won at least 1 more if not both years he was away. Jordan didn’t lose in the playoffs after he broke the seal…..he just didn’t

  49. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:06 am

    How many of the Looney Tunes did Lebron save…? None?

    Yeah, that’s what I thought.

  50. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:08 am

    exactly….Lebran has yet to save the world from a cartoon alien invasion

  51. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 8:11 am

    A couple of things:

    1. If the Yankees sign Hafner the team is actually getting younger. They will have replaced Martin, Chavez and Ibanez with Romine, Canzler and Hafner. Granted they’re going from Nick Swisher to a full season of Ichiro but other than that – they dumped older bad and expensive players for younger cheaper ones.

    2. I would love for MLB and the MLBPA to agree on the following stipulation for all future contracts: If a player is caught for using PEDs the team can void the contract. However, if a team enters into a contract with a player who has a positive test on their public record (so Melky for example, but not Alex) then that contract is fully guaranteed. In other words, teams have an out unless they sign a player that they know has already been caught for steroid use.

    I think that not only protects the team but it further penalizes players for a positive test.

  52. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:12 am

    I always thought it was incredible he left the game for a while and came back and still played like a champion.. even for a guy as good as Jordan, that always impressed me the most.

  53. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:12 am

    they dumped older bad and expensive players for younger cheaper BAD ones.

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    Fixed

  54. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:14 am

    If a player is caught for using PEDs the team can void the contract

    ==================================

    I think it might….if a player is caught for the 3rd time.

    It’s never going to happen on a 1st time, and probably shouldn’t.

  55. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 8:15 am

    AAA -

    If you’re going to take a risk on questionable players (I say questionable because we don’t know what Romine will do, and if healthy Pronk is a good player) then wouldn’t you rather spend less on them?

  56. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 8:17 am

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:05 am
    “Not sure about 8 in a row. Those Hakeem lead Houston Rockets were pretty good. Would they have been the best Western team they ever faced?”

    eh yea they were good…..but when you win 3 straight then leave then come back and immediately win 3 more then there is a pretty good chance you would have have won at least 1 more if not both years he was away. Jordan didn’t lose in the playoffs after he broke the seal…..he just didn’t

    ————————-

    Well he did lose to the Orlando Magic that one yr.

  57. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:20 am

    “Well he did lose to the Orlando Magic that one yr.”

    he basically just came back for the playoffs though….he hadn’t even played all year.

  58. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 8:21 am

    “It’s never going to happen on a 1st time, and probably shouldn’t.”

    Why shouldn’t it? That it doesn’t speaks volumes on how MLB really feels about the seriousness of the issue, IMO. Not everything calls for progressive discpline.

  59. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 8:21 am

    True that did happen but it is apart of his career. It doesn’t take away from what he did though.

  60. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:22 am

    “I would love for MLB and the MLBPA to agree on the following stipulation for all future contracts: If a player is caught for using PEDs the team can void the contract”

    man that’s a slippery slope….can’t ever see that happening on a first offense simply because there are possibilites that a player could either be framed or they could accidentally take something without intent……the union isn’t going to want to break the seal of voiding of contracts…it sets things up for more of that in the future.

    Matt Holliday’s suggestion of first offense 1 year ban and then a 2nd offense you could be banned for life with the option to file for reinstatement after 2 years makes sense

  61. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:23 am

    Not sure about 8 in a row. Those Hakeem lead Houston Rockets were pretty good. Would they have been the best Western team they ever faced?

    ===============================

    Think Jordan led teams probably would have won both. Those Rocket teams were probably not as strong as the Seattle and Utah teams the Jordan Bulls beat when he returned.

  62. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 8:25 am

    AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:14 am

    If a player is caught for using PEDs the team can void the contract

    ==================================

    I think it might….if a player is caught for the 3rd time.

    It’s never going to happen on a 1st time, and probably shouldn’t.
    ——————/—-

    Why not? Threat of a 50 game suspension isn’t a deterrent (obviously) and I understand why. Melky, for example, weighed the risk of getting caught and serving 50 with not using and possibly finding himself out of baseball. But if the risk is now 50 games as well as losing your contract that might make players think twice.

  63. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:25 am

    “Why shouldn’t it? That it doesn’t speaks volumes on how MLB really feels about the seriousness of the issue, IMO. Not everything calls for progressive discpline.”

    I think there needs to be proof of intent to ban somebody for life…..anybody can slip up once or even take something accidentally…..you do it a 2nd time then it’s no coincidence or mistake.

  64. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 8:26 am

    “Matt Holliday’s suggestion of first offense 1 year ban and then a 2nd offense you could be banned for life with the option to file for reinstatement after 2 years makes sense”

    I wasn’t thinking about the false-positive, if you will, possibilities. While I like what Holliday has suggested, wouldn’t any kind of penalty be unfair to a player who has either been framed or may have taken something accidentally?

  65. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Why shouldn’t it? That it doesn’t speaks volumes on how MLB really feels about the seriousness of the issue, IMO. Not everything calls for progressive discpline.

    ====================================

    The fact that MLB’s punishments are far more harsh than any other professional sports league speaks volumes enough for me. They take it seriously, but as the Braun case indicates, it’s an imperfect system.

  66. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 8:28 am

    AAA,

    Pose it to the union this way, the teams want protection against contracts negotiated in bad faith by the players so there are two choices: an out clause or full testing of every player in MLB and MiLB on a regular basis – weekly for example – so that teams know who is cheating before they enter negotiations. My guess is that the PA would opt for choice one.

  67. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:28 am

    I think we just need to realize they aren’t going to ban players for PED usage. I’m not sure what the true incentive is.. the guys that run the league don’t care about the game the way fans do. All they care about is whether or not money is coming in.

    Fans can be upset about it all they want, but they won’t walk away from the game because of steroids (the large majority, anyway). The league knows it.

  68. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:28 am

    “Think Jordan led teams probably would have won both. Those Rocket teams were probably not as strong as the Seattle and Utah teams the Jordan Bulls beat when he returned.”

    yea I agree…..after Jordan beat Magic and started winning titles he never really lost again….so I think it’s fairly safe to assume he would have won both of those years he was away and at least 1 of them. Pippen was still there….they just transitioned from Grant to Rodman and Kukcoc

  69. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 8:28 am

    I too like the idea of voiding the contract along with the suspension, at least for the period of the suspension (and of course going for the long suspension.)

  70. Howe Farr January 31st, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Why not? Threat of a 50 game suspension isn?t a deterrent (obviously) and I understand why. Melky, for example, weighed the risk of getting caught and serving 50 with not using and possibly finding himself out of baseball. But if the risk is now 50 games as well as losing your contract that might make players think twice.

    ___________________________________________

    So if i have a break out season, and I am signed to a crappy 3 year contract and want to get out of that contract and sign a much better deal in the open market, all i have to do is take PED?

  71. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:29 am

    “I wasn’t thinking about the false-positive, if you will, possibilities. While I like what Holliday has suggested, wouldn’t any kind of penalty be unfair to a player who has either been framed or may have taken something accidentally?”

    sure but it’s kinda hard to prove something was accidental….and nobody ever believes the player anymore.

  72. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Why not? Threat of a 50 game suspension isn’t a deterrent (obviously)

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    Obviously? Is their some PED positive test epidemic that I missed? Since testing has been in place, something on the order of <1% of the tested players tested positive.

  73. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 8:30 am

    AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Why shouldn’t it? That it doesn’t speaks volumes on how MLB really feels about the seriousness of the issue, IMO. Not everything calls for progressive discpline.

    ====================================

    The fact that MLB’s punishments are far more harsh than any other professional sports league speaks volumes enough for me. They take it seriously, but as the Braun case indicates, it’s an imperfect system.
    ————————–

    NFL suspends a player for a quarter of the season with no appeals process.

    And what the Braun case suggests is that system works fine, he tested positive but since proper procedure wasn’t followed he was given a second chance; that’s the way systems like this should work.

  74. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Teams aren’t looking to ban players that are still performing at high levels.. clauses like that would only be helpful for teams when players are holding the payroll hostage and not producing.

    The union will never sign something like that.

  75. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Maybe those Rocket teams weren’t as good but you can make the case that Hakeem was the best center at the time by a wide margin. He was definitely top 5 maybe even top 3 player in the league as well.

  76. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am

    They take it seriously because Congress told them they had to take it seriously. History shows they are willing to sweep it under the rug whenever they can.

  77. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 8:32 am

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:29 am

    “I wasn’t thinking about the false-positive, if you will, possibilities. While I like what Holliday has suggested, wouldn’t any kind of penalty be unfair to a player who has either been framed or may have taken something accidentally?”

    sure but it’s kinda hard to prove something was accidental….and nobody ever believes the player anymore.
    ————————

    “I slipped on a banana peel and my butt landed on the needle full of steroids.” – Alex Rodriguez

  78. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:33 am

    NFL suspends a player for a quarter of the season with no appeals process.

    ==============================

    Seattle Seahawks CB Richard Sherman says hi.

  79. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Howe Farr January 31st, 2013 at 8:29 am

    Why not? Threat of a 50 game suspension isn?t a deterrent (obviously) and I understand why. Melky, for example, weighed the risk of getting caught and serving 50 with not using and possibly finding himself out of baseball. But if the risk is now 50 games as well as losing your contract that might make players think twice.

    ___________________________________________

    So if i have a break out season, and I am signed to a crappy 3 year contract and want to get out of that contract and sign a much better deal in the open market, all i have to do is take PED?
    ————

    You’re not going to get that lucrative contract though. Had he not tested positive Melky’s performance had him in line for a bigger contract than what Nick Swisher got; instead he got 2 years.

  80. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 8:33 am

    Braun got away scott free IMO. But yes, that’s the system. If you can find something that wasn’t done correctly, you can potentially free a guilty person. Just ask OJ’s Dream Team – those who are still breathing anyway – and the LAPD.

  81. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:34 am

    Shouldn’t teams be considering the PED issue before signing these contract anyway? In this era, you’d be stupid not to. They don’t care!

  82. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 8:35 am

    NFL suspends a player for a quarter of the season with no appeals process

    ———————-

    Richard Sherman appealed and won.

    “We just had to prove the case,” Sherman’s agent, Kevin Poston, told USA TODAY Sports. “They made mistakes with his sample, and the truth came out.”

    Sherman traveled to St. Louis last week to make his appeal before arbitrator and former St. Louis Rams executive Bob Wallace.

    He stated when he provided a urine sample on Sept. 17, the specimen cup had a leak, prompting the collector to use a second cup. Sherman’s lawyers claimed this was a breach in protocol.

    “The decision really relied most heavily on the collection problem, and it comes down to that the arbitrator believed Richard Sherman over the collector’s recounting of the facts,” said one of Sherman’s attorneys, Maurice Suh. “This is a case in which there were two different versions – the collector tried to refute what Richard had said about what had happened, and frankly, we didn’t feel the collector was believable and we tried to bring that up in cross examination.”

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  83. Howe Farr January 31st, 2013 at 8:39 am

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    ____________________________________________________

    Listen to what you are saying, Melky was a couple of slumps away from being cut by a MLB team several years ago, (in theory) starts taking PED, gets better, gets suspended, and on top of that gets a 2 year contract?

    What is the incentive to not take PEDS? And on top of that, you are giving players an option to opt out of a contract?

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 8:39 am

    I agree that MLB’s bottom line is money and not the integrity of the game. Just the fact that they haven’t gone any further with instant recall or something like electronic game-calling tells you that – that and the fact that players and managers can’t question balls and strikes. They definitely don’t have the integrity of the NHL. Selig stinks to high heaven and the owners voted him back in. The Players Union runs the show. There’s definitely complicity there.

    Selig and the MLB speak up only after the horse is way out of the barn, and only because they don’t want their autonomy snatched away by Congress. Unparallelled thieves and liars.

  85. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 8:41 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 30th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
    I think it’s fine if you support Arod no matter what, just as I think it’s fine it you don’t support him whatsoever.

    People are entitled to feel whatever way they choose to feel and shouldn’t be made to feel there’s something wrong with them if they look at the situation a certain way.

    My dad always used to say that there’s three sides to every story: mine, yours, and the truth. Usually the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    I know I am personally conflicted on this one. I see Arod both as a victim and as a problem. I think he drew a lot of bad attention to himself with his extremely public philandering, some onfield antics that caused him bad press, and some other missteps along the way. At the same time, I see him as an extremely sensitive person who probably puts up a front of bravado at times to hide deeper problems.

    It’s nobody’s right to tell anyone else that they shouldn’t be bothered by the things Arod has done off the field, just as it’s nobody’s right to tell people that they should be. There is no moral high ground here – just a variety of facts being processed by different people through their own lenses in life. There truly is no bully pulpit. In fact there should be no pulpit at all.

    If it is found that Arod used between 2009 and 2012, he will have been the author of his own demise. It won’t matter what is or is not advocated on this forum. It’s fruitless to blame MLB, the Yankees, or anyone else for that. Forewarned is forearmed. We’re talking an adult here, not a 5-year-old.

    **********************************************************

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    I love A-Rod, but, if this story turns out to be true, he should state he can’t return to playing due to injury. That way he gets his money, the Yankees get 85% of his salary paid by insurance, and the Yankees can move on to the project of rebuilding this team, without all the distractions.

  86. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:42 am

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    Dmitri Young: “It’s been going on since even before I started.”

    Jered Weaver: “I kind of came up after all that era.”

    Robert Fick: “For the most part, baseball’s cleaned up. You’ve got to be hanging out with Lance Armstrong to get past these drug tests.”

    Jeff Weaver: “And you’re not going to win seven World Series in a row.”

    Jered Weaver: “They’re starting that new blood test this year, right at the beginning of the season.”

    Jeff Weaver: “You got popped. They came by your house.”

    Jered Weaver: “Yeah, I got tested for the first time this offseason. I didn’t know what to do. I got called and I was on my one-year anniversary in Europe and they’re trying to find me. It’s like jeez, dude, I can’t even take a dump without these guys trying to find me.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/.....1;mlb.html

  87. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Even if Braun did do PEDs….it’s hard to argue that he needed them unless you believe he is still taking them because he’s just as awesome as ever.

    This is what saddens me about Alex…..he never needed drugs…..he was one of the most talented players in history without them.

  88. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am

    Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 8:35 am

    NFL suspends a player for a quarter of the season with no appeals process

    ———————-

    Richard Sherman appealed and won.

    “We just had to prove the case,” Sherman’s agent, Kevin Poston, told USA TODAY Sports. “They made mistakes with his sample, and the truth came out.”

    Sherman traveled to St. Louis last week to make his appeal before arbitrator and former St. Louis Rams executive Bob Wallace.

    He stated when he provided a urine sample on Sept. 17, the specimen cup had a leak, prompting the collector to use a second cup. Sherman’s lawyers claimed this was a breach in protocol.

    “The decision really relied most heavily on the collection problem, and it comes down to that the arbitrator believed Richard Sherman over the collector’s recounting of the facts,” said one of Sherman’s attorneys, Maurice Suh. “This is a case in which there were two different versions – the collector tried to refute what Richard had said about what had happened, and frankly, we didn’t feel the collector was believable and we tried to bring that up in cross examination.”
    —————————-

    My mistake – so he got off the same way Braun did.

  89. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am

    The problem is we’re trying to discuss it as if one side cares… the owners care because of the contract (they only care if the contract sucks, not if the player is still really good), the union because of the integrity of the game (the players are most likely pressured by medical staff, front offices, etc), and the fans (who – for the most part – actually care…. but not enough to quit the game).

  90. blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am

    “Shouldn’t teams be considering the PED issue before signing these contract anyway? In this era, you’d be stupid not to. They don’t care!”

    I think what teams should do is to start putting PED language into contracts…..especially the big long term ones. Agents will fight it….but hey if you want the money then you have to agree to be clean. Teams should start putting the ability to void if a player is caught into the contract language…..then it’s nobody’s fault but the players if they lose the money

  91. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Blake -

    Bonds didn’t need them either; still did them. Gammons nailed it when he said it wasn’t lack of talent that pushed Alex to PEDs; it was lack of confidence.

  92. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:47 am

    I really am reserving judgement on this whole Arod situation until I see more than pieces of paper with writing on it, btw. Arod came out and denied everything and lawyer’d up. I think that should say something about what evidence is out there.

    I’m actually advocating the wait and see approach… Is this real life??! ;)

  93. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Selig and the MLB speak up only after the horse is way out of the barn, and only because they don’t want their autonomy snatched away by Congress. Unparallelled thieves and liars.

    =================================

    Yeah, but that group of thieves and liars includes the ownership of the New York Yankees, 29 other ownership groups, and the entire membership of the MLBPA and its officers. There was stink on all of ‘em. Thing is, you can’t undo where you’ve been. You can only go forward. IMO, they’ve gone forward in the right direction, and have gotten to the point where something as complex as blood tests for HGH was added to the CBA with absolutely no fight all from either MLB or the MLBPA.

  94. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 8:47 am

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am

    “Shouldn’t teams be considering the PED issue before signing these contract anyway? In this era, you’d be stupid not to. They don’t care!”

    I think what teams should do is to start putting PED language into contracts…..especially the big long term ones. Agents will fight it….but hey if you want the money then you have to agree to be clean. Teams should start putting the ability to void if a player is caught into the contract language…..then it’s nobody’s fault but the players if they lose the money
    ————————-

    However I don’t think teams should have an out if they sign a known steroid user. Protect them from users who haven’t gotten caught – sure; but if I buy a crappy car that I know is a crappy car then that’s a risk I walked into with my eyes wide open.

  95. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 8:48 am

    My mistake – so he got off the same way Braun did.

    ———————–

    No problem honest mistake Chip. I wonder why Sherman’s teammate didn’t try the same tactic. They were pinched at the same time but he didn’t fight the appeal. Even if his teammates cup didn’t leak he could have at least tried to fight it but maybe he thought I did it, and I got caught screw it.

  96. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 8:49 am

    Blake, Chip and Crew-

    With regards to ARod, are these the two current scenarios that might come into play?

    Disability-He doesn’t progress during rehab for whatever reason and Dr. Bryan Kelly, his surgeon tells him that he can’t play at all this season. ARod still gets his 28M, 85% of which is paid by the insurance company. Would need further medical evaluation for the 2014 season.

    Scenario two. MLB after getting all the facts from the Bosch case decide that ARod violated their standards for PED abuse as well as his connection to “unsavory” characters, and decide to suspend ARod for the remainder of the 2013 season. Do the Yankees then have a leg to stand on to void his contract. I would imagine he has already received pay for 2013 until MLB comes in with a verdict and suspends him without pay.

    Are there any other scenarios in play here, other than a permanent disability, that even with further surgery, would not enable him to step on the baseball field in any capacity for risk of further harm to his hip/hips?

  97. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:49 am

    AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Selig and the MLB speak up only after the horse is way out of the barn, and only because they don’t want their autonomy snatched away by Congress. Unparallelled thieves and liars.

    =================================

    Yeah, but that group of thieves and liars includes the ownership of the New York Yankees, 29 other ownership groups, and the entire membership of the MLBPA and its officers. There was stink on all of ‘em. Thing is, you can’t undo where you’ve been. You can only go forward. IMO, they’ve gone forward in the right direction, and have gotten to the point where something as complex as blood tests for HGH was added to the CBA with absolutely no fight all from either MLB or the MLBPA.

    ——————–

    The thing is, we all play a role as well. It’s sort of how I feel about the Yankees and their $189 budget. I can b*tch and moan until the high heavens but I know I’ll always be a fan, I’ll always go to games, and I’ll never quit the Yankees…. I know it and they know it.

    PEDs are the same thing, across the board. Fans get riled up about it but we’re already married to the game, for better or worse.

  98. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am

    blake -

    What stops a team from messing with a player so he’ll fail the test, if the contract turns out to be very bad, and they want a way to get out of it. Players are not the only ones that cheat!

  99. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 8:51 am

    Scenario two. MLB after getting all the facts from the Bosch case decide that ARod violated their standards for PED abuse as well as his connection to “unsavory” characters, and decide to suspend ARod for the remainder of the 2013 season. Do the Yankees then have a leg to stand on to void his contract

    ========================================

    MLB has no mechanism by which they can suspend him for the entire season.

  100. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 8:52 am

    BIG AL-

    “Spike” the urine sample or the blood test! :)

  101. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:52 am

    BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am

    blake -

    What stops a team from messing with a player so he’ll fail the test, if the contract turns out to be very bad, and they want a way to get out of it. Players are not the only ones that cheat!

    ——————-

    This is why the league is in charge of discipline….. there are a ton of different issues that could arise from trying to put that type of language in contracts.

    Stronger testing is the best bet with harder penalties.

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 8:56 am

    “Thing is, you can’t undo where you’ve been. You can only go forward.”

    And that’s the attitude I want to see taken, from the League down to the fans. I’m not willing to throw in the integrity towel because “this is the way it is, this is the way it’s always been,” etc. I want their thumbs kept to the fire. If they don’t have the incentive or personal integrity to do it, let Congress keep kicking them in the butt. They’re scared to death to lose their antitrust exemption, so they will do the tapdance for the sake of Congress. Personally I don’t care why they do it – I care that they do it. I guess if Congress is ever upset enough about the pliss-poor game-calling behind the plate, Selig will decide it’s time to take action…

    Hyperbole there, but hopefully you get my meaning. The only hammer out there keeping them honest is their antitrust exemption and Congress’s intervention. Before that they weren’t even pretending to care.

  103. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:57 am

    There is no scenario where we can void his contract… there’s no precedent for that so if they do find a way it will be breaking completely new ground – and I don’t see it happening.

  104. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 8:58 am

    AAA-

    Let me reword that. If MLB suspends him for let’s say 75 games this season, and after rehab that turns out to be the remainder of the 2013 season. That is a possible scenario, correct?

  105. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 8:58 am

    MLB could suspend A-Rod for 50 games only, if found to have used PED’s, but, if he passed all his blood and urine tests, how could he be suspended.

    This story may well be true, or just a local newspaper using A-Rod to make their story bigger.

  106. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 8:59 am

    @YankeesWFAN

    Agreed. Kicking & screaming RT @ESPNNYYankees: a-rod’s not going anywhere willingly nor, needless to say, without his money.

  107. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 8:59 am

    let Congress keep kicking them in the butt.

    ———————–

    Congress has bigger things to worry about then a bunch of players taking roids.

  108. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 9:02 am

    Odds-

    Agree

    New Post——->

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 9:03 am

    Shame, I believe Arod lawyered up the last time too. And denied. I still do not understand the lack of public outrage on his part, though there might be a reason. With all he’s been through on this front, I would think that the first thing he woud have screamed out was that he was immediately filing a defamation of character suit against the paper. That’s what people usually do when they’ve been defamed and it is something of a hugely critical nature – as this would be.

    So while I am hoping this turns out to be a big bad dream and nothing more, I still have an unsettled feeling.

  110. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 9:04 am

    Cashman has to be smiling, saying, I wanted no part of that A-Rod contract. :)

  111. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 9:07 am

    “Congress has bigger things to worry about then a bunch of players taking roids.”

    Against, you may have forgotten but this whole thing started because Congress was worrying about a bunch of players taking roids! Surely you didn’t think that MLB was self-starting or self-policing because it was the right thing to do!

  112. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 9:07 am

    trisha -

    As an attorney, you should be aware A-Rod would not be successful in a law suit against the newspaper, unless he could prove they wrote the story knowing it to be false, and their intention in doing so was to cause harm to A-Rod.

  113. Tackelberry January 31st, 2013 at 9:10 am

    To get back to the original topic, another player not on the list but who could make big impact is Ramon Flores. While he doesn’t have one really outstanding tool, most scouts really like him. Hes got decent speed, power and good baseball instincts. He’ll also be one to keep an eye on this year. This is a make or break year for Betances. If he doesn’t take a step forward this year, he may never make it. I think we can expect to see Montgomery, Whitley, Romine and Adams with the big club at some point this year. Maybe Corban Joseph too.

  114. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Let me reword that. If MLB suspends him for let’s say 75 games this season, and after rehab that turns out to be the remainder of the 2013 season. That is a possible scenario, correct?

    ==================================

    Believe all they can suspend him for is 50 games, which he can serve concurrent with his stay on the DL. So, if he actually is physically able to play in July, he can come back and play. Voiding the contract is a gazillion to 1 longshot. Kinda doubt the Yankees are dumb enough to even try it. Too costly. Probably wouldn’t want there executives subjected to depositions. Almost certainly wouldn’t win.

  115. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 9:13 am

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