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Pinch hitting: Sean McLernon

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Our next Pinch Hitter is Sean McLernon, a 28-year-old former newspaper sports writer who now works as a reporter for a legal news publication in Manhattan. Sean recently completed a two-year Peace Corps stint in the Caribbean and West Africa. “I would listen to static-filled Voice of America broadcasts on my shortwave radio in a (usually futile) attempt to hear Yankees results,” he wrote. Cheering for the Yankees came naturally to Sean, whose grandmother watched Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig play in person back in the 1920s and 30s.

Sean comes from a long line of Yankees fans, and so his topic seems like a natural fit. For his post, Sean wonders what it takes for a player to become a fan favorite.

It’s hard to say when it started. Maybe in the 1950s, when that home run derby show was broadcast on television and players were forced to make idle chit chat with that stiff host while waiting for their next turn to bat. It provided a bit of a window for fans to peer into the personality of sluggers like Mickey Mantle.

But it was only a peek. Most, if not all Yankees fans back then had no idea that The Mick liked to frequently hit the bottle and go out carousing. There was no such thing as Page Six, and even if there was, it’s hard to imagine reporters publishing anything about pro ballplayers’ personal lives. Now, we see photos of A-Rod being fed popcorn by Cameron Diaz and read reports about him soliciting phone numbers from women in the stands seconds after being pulled from a playoff game.

These days, it’s nearly impossible not to see players as more than just figures on the field. We have a sense of their personalities, whether we want to or not. The noise is everywhere: Postgame interviews broadcast on ESPN, Twitter posts all over the internet for everyone to see, even video introductions on that supersized high-definition screen at Yankee Stadium. All of the exposure has changed the way that fans judge players, casting some in an unflattering light that would have never been shined on Yankees in the past.

Players like Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera are universally adored not only because of their success on the mound, but because they exhibit what is considered by most fans to be an exceptional level of professionalism and class both on and off the field, and New York fans appreciate players they believe are always taking the game seriously and who they can respect as people. Fans are more willing to make these judgments because there is so much more information available.

A-Rod’s antics aren’t the only reason why Yankees fans tend to feel disdain toward the third baseman who so recently played a major part in bringing home the club’s only World Series title of the last 12 years. There’s the bloated contract draining resources from the club and the seeming tendency to reserve his best performances when there is little at stake. But Derek Jeter grounded into more double plays than all but three other players in the American League last season, but it’s hard to find any Yankees fans grumbling about it.

That’s because the fans have much more patience with Jeter. He has earned their trust, not just because he has those championship rings and is still batting over .300 as he approaches middle age, but because he carries himself in a way that fans respect. Jeter has provided the tabloids with a bit of fodder himself (remember reports of him sending gift baskets to his one-night stands?), but fans see authenticity, intensity and passion in ways that they don’t from A-Rod. Fans see the same passion from Pettitte and Rivera.

What if Joe DiMaggio had to deal with the same amount of scrutiny? I see substantial similarities between the Yankee Clipper and A-Rod. Both dated gorgeous celebrities and had inflated fragile egos, with DiMaggio insisting on being introduced as baseball’s “greatest living ballplayer” later in life. But during Joltin’ Joe’s playing days, fans never got to really see his personality. They could only judge him for the numbers he put up.

We don’t know if DiMaggio ran out every single ground ball, but as soon as Robinson Cano pulls up before first base on a ground out, fans can complain about it on the internet and post video proof for everyone to see. And even though Cano was statistically the best position player on the Yankees last season and has been one of their most dangerous offensive weapons over the last few years, he’s going to receive some scorn from the fan base if he pulls up on a routine ground ball.

Is it fair for fans to be so harsh? I don’t have a problem with the high standards. It was DiMaggio, after all, who has that famous quote in which he thanks the good Lord for making him a Yankee. It’s supposed to mean something. Yankees fans believe that donning the pinstripes is a privilege that brings with it certain obligations. They expect those wearing the uniform to show they appreciate the opportunity by always playing hard and maintaining a level of dignity off the field.

It’s more difficult than ever for players to win the hearts of Yankees fans in the 21st century. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. But with Rivera and Pettitte likely to call it a career at the end of this season, and Jeter coming closer to the end as well, it’s unclear if anybody is going to be able to attain a similar exalted status. CC? Teixeira? Cano? It’s certainly possible, but, fairly or unfairly, they still have work left to do.

And those exacting standards demanded by the fan base just might help make those players work that much harder and take their on-field performance to a higher level. Or it could cause them to crack under the pressure.

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223 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Sean McLernon”

  1. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    I think the theme of this post is part of what’s made Jeter’s career so special….he actually HAS played through this twitter/internet era.

  2. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:08 am

    “What stops a team from messing with a player so he’ll fail the test, if the contract turns out to be very bad, and they want a way to get out of it. Players are not the only ones that cheat!”

    well the law mainly

  3. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 9:09 am

    repost:

    “Congress has bigger things to worry about then a bunch of players taking roids.”

    Against, you may have forgotten but this whole thing started because Congress was worrying about a bunch of players taking roids! Surely you didn’t think that MLB was self-starting or self-policing because it was the right thing to do!

  4. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Sean-

    Really enjoyed your excellent post. Maybe the disconnect with some players is that they are mercenaries, taking the highest dollar thru free agency, and not home grown or played the majority of their careers with one team.

  5. austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Jeter and I bet DiMaggio ran out ground balls.

  6. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Donny baseball was a DP machine as was eddie murray.
    GIDP by itself is a very poor way to judge a hitter.

  7. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 9:16 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 9:07 am
    “Congress has bigger things to worry about then a bunch of players taking roids.”

    Against, you may have forgotten but this whole thing started because Congress was worrying about a bunch of players taking roids! Surely you didn’t think that MLB was self-starting or self-policing because it was the right thing to do!

    —————————–

    Congress only cared because of the attention and press Canseco received when he went on tv and snitched on everyone. Does anyone think there are ppl in Congress that don’t take roids or have family members that do? Of course they are. They have bigger things to worry about instead of this.

  8. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 9:16 am

    I agree with Ys Guy…GIDP can often mean a hitter hits the ball hard and has less than great speed. You need to look at all the balls in play data.

  9. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 9:18 am

    Great post, Sean! Thank you for showing that there is so much more complexity to all of this than someone putting up stats or not. The advent of technology usually proves to be a double-edged sword, and things like Page Six, the internet, twitter and the like show that to be the case.

    Players haven’t seemed to catch up with the real complexity of it all because seriously, they’ve been too busy playing. Maybe every team should have some kind of reality coach that sits down with each player and goes over the obvious – your life is in a fishbowl the proportions of which you cannot imagine, and therefore (to once again quote my dad) it’s not enough to be good, you have to look good. Then the standards of the fan won’t feel quite as daunting.

  10. 4TrainNorth January 31st, 2013 at 9:19 am

    It’s just amazing to me that the Yankees can’t find a way to light a fire under Cano’s lazy can, and at least get him to run out ground balls. Which shouldn’t even cause him undue strain, since his top speed is pretty much a jog. And then, as a next step, they can work on him diving once in a while for a slow grounder. True, maybe we fans have been spoiled over the years watching Jeter bust it down the line, but why shouldn’t we expect the same from ALL of our team’s leaders?

  11. Bronx Jeers January 31st, 2013 at 9:20 am

    @YankeeSource: Juan Rivera went 3 for 5 with a 2 run homer in Game 7 of the Venezuelan Winter League Championship game.

  12. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am

    “It’s just amazing to me that the Yankees can’t find a way to light a fire under Cano’s lazy can, and at least get him to run out ground balls”

    Cano was worth 8 wins more than his replacement last year…..lets keep than in mind. He’s one of the best players in the game.

  13. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am

    As for my lebrom commemt from last night, I said lebron is the best basketball player ive ever seen. I didnt say he scored the most points, won the most rings nor did I cite his aa batting average.
    Hes the best basketball player ive ever seen, thats all.

  14. Tackelberry January 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am

    BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 9:13 am
    I don’t see Betances ever making the Yankees. His lack of control stops him from being either a SP or BP pitcher. The Yankees should trade him for a steak dinner, and cut their loses
    _______________________________________________

    I give him 1 more year. He did start to turn it around late last season after the move to the bullpen. His main problem has been the inability to repeat his delivery, throwing him off stride and affecting his command. If he doesn’t get it right this year, then I’ll write him off.

  15. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 9:23 am

    “Congress only cared because of the attention and press Canseco received when he went on tv and snitched on everyone.”

    That doesn’t even make sense. And you’re wrong. It coincided with something else happening that was brought to their attention in a big way. But I’m not going to do your homework for you. I paid attention to it all and still am.

    I’m grateful that they acted as watchdog. Otherwise this crap never would have seen the light of day. But if you don’t care about steroid use – not sure how you’ve come down on it – then you wouldn’t care to have Congress involved anyway.

    As a P.S, the Clemens trial was a result of Congress “not caring”.

  16. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Calling Cano lazy is kind of messed up.

  17. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Ys,

    you’re entitled to your opinion re Lebron….I disagree though.

  18. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Cano works his tail off…..you don’t get as good as he is and improve as much as he has without doing that.

  19. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 9:25 am

    blake -

    The law? Since when has the law ever stopped major businesses from doing an unlawful act, if they thought they could profit from their actions, and no one that breaks the law ever things they’ll get caught

    MLB teams put out bowls of “Greenies” in the clubhouse for years to get players up for the game, and you think PED’s bothered them, only if their player got caught. Get real, the corporate world is built on greed.

  20. 4TrainNorth January 31st, 2013 at 9:28 am

    Cano has all the skills to go down as one of the greatest players ever to play. But he won’t–because of his at times lackadaisical play. Everyone sees it, but the team seems to do nothing about it.

  21. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 9:33 am

    I never saw him play, but Oscar Robertson’s stats are off the charts, and I did see Kareem play when I was a kid. I have never seen a rookie have more impact.

    That aside, Jordan is Babe Ruth.

  22. Russell Munson January 31st, 2013 at 9:33 am

    “Cano was worth 8 wins more than his replacement last year…..lets keep than in mind. He’s one of the best players in the game.”

    He really wasn’t. Those numbers are based on his raw stats, but you have to penalize him for his poor performance with runners on base. He was worth about two wins less because of that.

    He’s still the best player on the team, but his 2012 WAR overrates him.

  23. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Cano can put up good numbers every year, but, until he plays the game in the manner Jeter does, he’ll never earn that level of respect from me.

    I’ve seen Cano jog to first on an infield hit, only to see the fielder misplay the ball, and if Cano had shown some hustle, he’d have been safe, rather than out. I’ve also seen him play a double into a single because he didn’t bust it out of the box. If Cano played for Billy Martin, I’m sure he’d have learn to run hard on every play, JMHO.

    This is not to say Cano is not a great player, but, not as great as he could be if he learned to play as well as Jeter plays the game.

  24. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 9:36 am

    “trisha -

    As an attorney, you should be aware A-Rod would not be successful in a law suit against the newspaper, unless he could prove they wrote the story knowing it to be false, and their intention in doing so was to cause harm to A-Rod.”

    Big Al, recklessness with the truth is part of the standard for malice, but my point is that someone wrongly accused of something this serious in nature (looking at the entire Arod situation) usually would have a much more vocal reaction and be threatening all kinds of things, IMO. As much as I can’t stand Rusty Hardin, what Bronx said he was quoted as saying is exactly right. I pointed all of that out only by way of saying that it gives me, personally, pause about the whole thing. And again, my hope against hope is that none of it is true.

  25. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 9:37 am

    “The law? Since when has the law ever stopped major businesses from doing an unlawful act, if they thought they could profit from their actions, and no one that breaks the law ever things they’ll get caught”

    It does to some degree, but I think your statement has more merit in civil justice. It recalls a theory or tort law that proposed that a business, for example, weigh the costs of its negligence and then balance that against the costs of amelioration.

    And that could be applied to MLB, where a player almost always makes more by juicing.

  26. RMS January 31st, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Cano has all the skills to go down as one of the greatest players ever to play. But he won’t–because of his at times lackadaisical play. Everyone sees it, but the team seems to do nothing about it.

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    Yankees have more important things to worry about than Cano. He is their beat hitter and a great fielder.
    How many other Yankees do not bust it running to first?

  27. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 9:38 am

    to me if you have anything to knock on Cano offensively, it’s his sometime poor plate discipline and his intelligence as a bat in situational hitting.

  28. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 9:38 am

    batter.

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Well we can argue this ’til we’re green in the face. What really matters is whatever is eventually uncovered – and hopefully it’s the truth.

    So have a great day all. I’m going to go and try to have some positive effect on my little corner of the world, the only thing over which I have any kind of control.

    :)

  30. austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 9:40 am

    Trisha,

    Why the Hardin hate? He is a lawyer doing the job he was hired to do, and that is require the government to prove its case.

    I don’t want to re-hash Clemens with you, but I darn sure would hire Hardin if I needed a criminal lawyer. And, of course, had the money to pay him. :)

  31. 4TrainNorth January 31st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Don’t want to belabor this Cano thing too much, but can you imagine the message it would send to the team–and especially to the kids coming up–if he really got after it, day in and day out? And the first time he legs out and infield hit the crowd is gonna crap their pants with glee.

  32. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 9:41 am

    I think there are always going to be fluctuations in stats like RISP, but most of time I think he goes up hacking regardless of the situation. He is like a mini vlad with better discipline but less raw power.

  33. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 9:43 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 9:23 am
    “Congress only cared because of the attention and press Canseco received when he went on tv and snitched on everyone.”

    That doesn’t even make sense. And you’re wrong. It coincided with something else happening that was brought to their attention in a big way. But I’m not going to do your homework for you. I paid attention to it all and still am.

    I’m grateful that they acted as watchdog. Otherwise this crap never would have seen the light of day. But if you don’t care about steroid use – not sure how you’ve come down on it – then you wouldn’t care to have Congress involved anyway.

    As a P.S, the Clemens trial was a result of Congress “not caring”.

    ————————

    Clemens was brought in front of Congress asked some questions and then later those same ppl asked him for autographs. Yrs later they have a trial and what comes out of it…nothing.

    What watch dog is that exactly??? If they cared this much about roids why did they ever let it get as big as it did?? Roids have been around for decades and is still being used today. They did they same thing yrs ago when it came to roids in wrestling.

    I used to care a lot but then I realized there is no turning back. Ppl are going to use and so are athletes. This has been brought up over the past couple of days we are moving towards these types of substances becoming legal in the future.

  34. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 9:44 am

    Mac, I think doing your job doesn’t preclude ppl hating a profession.

  35. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 9:44 am

    trisha – For what it’s worth.. I actually think Arod is probably 100% guilty. But I don’t know if it will ever be proven. Most of my thoughts about PEDs at this point come from a very detached place. I used to rage on here about how the testing is a joke and they need to crack down and all that jazz… but over the last couple of years I’ve changed my mind. I can’t get as worked up about it anymore because there are so many other issues that irk me about the discipline distributed in the league. The DUI thing is a main example.

  36. austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 9:45 am

    If their is good out of the AROD news, perhaps it will cause the Yankees to move forward presuming he will not play again. Foolishly, it appears, I had hoped he could come back and help. Unless this is shown to be a false accusation, I can’t see the Yankees wanting to put him on the field again as their representative.

  37. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:45 am

    “The law? Since when has the law ever stopped major businesses from doing an unlawful act, if they thought they could profit from their actions, and no one that breaks the law ever things they’ll get caught”

    framing a player for PEDs would pretty much ruin their reputation as a franchise……nobody would want to come to the yankees

  38. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Baseball, IMO, has been hurt by the long term contracts, where players can just go through the motions, so to speak, until they reach their contract year, then they go all out for that big pay day.

    How does a manager deal with a player that’s making a huge salary, and is under contract long term, he can’t, because the player has more juice with the FO than the manager, and they know it.

    I ‘d love to MLB change the rules, and state players contracts can not exceed 3 years, then I believe you’ll see better production from the players, and fewer teams being hurt by poor contracts.

  39. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    “He’s still the best player on the team, but his 2012 WAR overrates him.”

    eh….WAR overates a lot of players….doesn’t mean he’s not one of the best playing baseball right now and he gives them a huge postional advantage every day

  40. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 9:47 am

    “to me if you have anything to knock on Cano offensively…”

    The poor stats v. LHP bears watching. It was probably flukey, but we’ll see.

    2012

    v. L: .239 .309 .337 .646
    v. R: .359 .423 .685 1.108

    Career

    v. L: .290 .338 .453 .791
    v.R: .317 .358 .527 .885

  41. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    I know no one wants to hear it, but Derek Jeter does not run as hard as he can out of the box ever time he hits a ball.

  42. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    every*

  43. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Trisha and any other attorneys on board this morning. If mlb players have termination for cause, such as “moral turpitude” written into their contracts, do they “stand up” in court, or are they just too vague?

    Or is this the clause more commonly used that could void a contract?

    “Employee’s commission of any act (i) involving (A) misuse or misappropriation of money or other property of Corporation or (B) a felony or repeated use of drugs or intoxicants; or (ii) which disparages the business integrity of Corporation, its parent Corporation or subsidiaries or affiliates or their officer directors, employees or customers, and materially and adversely affects the business reputation of Corporation.”

  44. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:50 am

    the performance vs LHP is certainly a thing to watch with Cano in 2013….if he struggles against them again then I think that starts to be significant and is an early sign of decline for a lot of players.

  45. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 9:51 am

    Yeah we will see Rich, I think a lot Yankee hitters execute poorly in situational hitting… some are simply not good hitters, some can’t adapt, some don’t have baseball smarts, in Cano’s case, I think he goes up there hacking and more often than not , get himself out.

  46. RMS January 31st, 2013 at 9:51 am

    I know no one wants to hear it, but Derek Jeter does not run as hard as he can out of the box ever time he hits a ball.

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    There is no one on the Yankees who out hustles Jeter.

  47. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    I do think Congress was more interested in getting their names in the papers and putting on some dog and pony show more than cleaning up the game. I teeter on this as well, but ultimately they should probably focus their attention elsewhere. This is the same entity that complains about having to work over holiday breaks…

  48. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    For those that believe A-Rod is guilty of using PED’s again, please explain to me how he passed all of his blood and urine test all of last season and before. I quite sure, given his past, MLB tested him as often as they could, and since he passed those tests, he should have his lawyer stand up and shout, A-Rod passed evey test he was given, these newspaper stories are false, end of story!

  49. 4TrainNorth January 31st, 2013 at 9:53 am

    The decline period really seems to be shifting earlier these days. I have nothing to back this up, of course–just seems like 30 is the new 35.

  50. austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Cash,

    Trisha is a lawyer so that would confuse me.

    People only hate lawyers until they need one. Were it not for lawyers, freedom would be much more limited, products would be much more dangerous and society would be much less livable.

    Don’t let corporations who want to prevent you from being able to sue them no matter how they harm you convince you they are poor victims of litigation. And this comes from a lawyer who has represented large corporations for a million years.

  51. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 9:53 am

    RMS – I’m not disputing that. I watch almost every Jeter AB in a season and he’s lollygagged his way to 1B on clear ground outs… everyone does.

  52. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:53 am

    “I know no one wants to hear it, but Derek Jeter does not run as hard as he can out of the box ever time he hits a ball.”

    I’ve never seen Derek loaf to 1B ever…..but I don’t think any of that matters that much either. Cano runs hard when he needs to…..he dives when he needs to for the most part.

  53. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 9:33 am
    I never saw him play, but Oscar Robertson’s stats are off the charts,

    ———————-

    They are but to be fair he did play when the competition wasn’t as strong.

  54. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 9:54 am

    I think I have PTWD (Post Traumatic Wind Disorder) leftover from the hurricane.

    Later.

  55. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 9:52 am

    For those that believe A-Rod is guilty of using PED’s again, please explain to me how he passed all of his blood and urine test all of last season and before. I quite sure, given his past, MLB tested him as often as they could, and since he passed those tests, he should have his lawyer stand up and shout, A-Rod passed evey test he was given, these newspaper stories are false, end of story!

    ——————–

    Masking agents, stopping cycles, etc.

    Plenty of ways to avoid a positive test, look at Lance Armstrong (those guys were subjected to harsher testing than any MLB athlete… that’s some serious perspective).

  56. RMS January 31st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    he should have his lawyer stand up and shout, A-Rod passed evey test he was given, these newspaper stories are false, end of story!

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    How about Alex saying that publicly and not hiring pr people and a high-priced lawyer to do it for him? Be a man and speak up. And people wonder why Alex is not well liked.

  57. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    The decline period really seems to be shifting earlier these days. I have nothing to back this up, of course–just seems like 30 is the new 35.
    —-
    i think the roid era changed our perceptions with guys like bonds and Sosa and many others performing well late into their 30s… but before, I remember being leery when a guy reach 32-35 age bracket because most of time their skills begin to erode.

    Yanks need to really careful about Cano if they don’t want get 50 cents on a dollar a few year down the road.

  58. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:56 am

    “For those that believe A-Rod is guilty of using PED’s again, please explain to me how he passed all of his blood and urine test all of last season and before”

    they didn’t have blood tests for HGH last year…..so if that’s all he was using then thats why….if he was using Testosterone too then perhaps he just got lucky or masked it well enough or whatever.

  59. blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:57 am

    I think players are declining earlier because of the ban on Ampetamines as much as anything.

  60. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 9:58 am

    blake – He might not stop before the bag or anything, but he definitely has done a fair share of moderate jogging to first. Hey! Maybe this is a game we can play this season!! Let’s see how many guys come out of the box hustling hard. It won’t be GTLU but it will be fun to argue if guys are just loafing or if they’re trying really hard and just slow lol.

  61. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:00 am

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 9:57 am

    I think players are declining earlier because of the ban on Ampetamines as much as anything.

    ———————

    I didn’t realize so many guys were now claiming to have ADHD until JF mentioned it… I wonder if they’ll ever take a look at that.

  62. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Mac, you have a point.

  63. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 10:00 am

    For those that believe A-Rod is guilty of using PED’s again, please explain to me how he passed all of his blood and urine test all of last season and before.
    —————————-

    BIG AL–
    Timing!!! With regards to testosterone oral use:

    ” Technology developed for detection of testosterone in urine samples appears suitable when the substance has been administered intramuscularly. Oral administration leads to rapid pharmacokinetics, so urine samples need to be collected in the initial hours after intake. Thus there is a need to find specific biomarkers in urine or plasma to enable detection of long term oral administration of testosterone.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm.....MC2657495/

  64. blake January 31st, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Ive seen Derek sorta job on like a come backer to the pitcher…..but never on a routiner to SS or something like that.

  65. austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 10:01 am

    Shame,,

    Congress was so eager for the truth they accepted that Sosa couldn’t speak English when he had been doing so for years, and they allowed McGuire to say he wasn’t there to talk about the past. It was a pure publicity driven stunt saying look at what we are doing.

    YT, are you saying that clause is in the contract? If so, I would first look to see if possessing or using these drugs without a prescription is a felony in Florida. I would also argue “Drugs” does not just mean street drugs but any drug used other than with a doctor’s prescription.

  66. BIG AL January 31st, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Later folks, y’all have a great day!

  67. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Yanks really needs to give adams a look if he performs aptly at AAA.

  68. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 10:08 am

    Austinmac-

    I don’t know if a “termination for cause” clause is written into his contract, and what would it include that would be considered damaging to the Yankee corporation.

    If it is, could it be a matter of time before ARod violates it in a way it would stand up in court?

  69. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 10:09 am

    BIG AL-

    Have a great day.

  70. grouchonyy January 31st, 2013 at 10:11 am

    DiMaggio later in his career was more interested in Joe than team. If he wasn’t sure he could get to ball , he backed off. He cost Mickey Mantle much of his health by causing Mantle’s terrible leg injury in the 1951 World Series. Casey had told Mickey to take all the balls he could reach but Joe called him off at the last minute causing the injury when Mickey stepped on a drain head pulling up.

  71. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:12 am

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 10:00 am

    Ive seen Derek sorta job on like a come backer to the pitcher…..but never on a routiner to SS or something like that.

    ——————————–

    It depends on what we’re talking about here because my impression has always been if guys aren’t running as hard as they can they’re open to being criticized… I’ve seen Jeter really book it to first when he thought he had a shot at beating a ball but there are plenty of times when he’s not coming out of the box that way and you see him clearly slowing down before reaching the bag. Shouldn’t we be on his case too? I’m not sure what the standard is.. but I will watch for it more often now. It’ll be fun to discuss in game threads ;)

    mac – The players definitely embarrassed themselves but even at the time it was discussed that Congress was sort of holding these hearings mostly without consequence. I wonder if they’ll ever call the NFL in lol…

  72. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Was it already mentioned that today would be Jackie Robinson’s 94th birthday?

  73. austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 10:14 am

    If the Yankees have concluded AROD is not coming back they could go to the wall alleging a variety of misdeeds that somehow breach the contract. That could get ugly for both sides, particularly if AROD can present some evidnece the team knew or should have known of his use.

    Let’s hope he is either cleared of these allegations(good luck) or is physically unable to play. Absent a good termination clause, they would probably have to show the drugs caused or contributed to cause his hip problem or other physically damaged conditions.

  74. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 10:16 am

    Cano is no lazier than 80% of mlb players and has more skills than 95%

  75. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:17 am

    I agree that Cano’s AB’s vs. LHP bear watching, but I am not going to get worked up about his RISP for one year at around a mere 150 AB’s. First of all, he did fine with men on, and he likely isn’t getting pitched to with RISP, and he at least had a .391 OBP with RISP. Plus overall in 2012 if we want to look at his stats, he had his best WAR, best wRC+ and LD%, best ISO, and overall best walk %. I am not too concerned about Cano, who is our best player and the least of our problems.

  76. mick January 31st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    What watch dog is that exactly??? If they cared this much about roids why did they ever let it get as big as it did?? Roids have been around for decades and is still being used today. They did they same thing yrs ago when it came to roids in wrestling.
    ==============================================
    McGwire became a freak of nature with his cartoon-like season and Sosa followed in stride.
    Then came Bonds to show them who the King of PEDs was.
    Nobody cares about the steroids unless it “corrupts” the numbers of the game.
    Greenies, nicotine, cocaine and caffeine never altered the numbers to these extremes.
    Seems so simple to me.
    Baseball is a purists game and if jumps out as cheating then action is taken.
    If it is then rubbed in your face, well….watch out.
    Cheating and loafing are not tolerated…
    ….RIP, Bart Giamatti.
    Rose was one of the greatest players I ever saw but the game is bigger.

  77. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Yankees could go the other way with Arod, just let him come back on the team and let him fail again and again and again and be booed mercilessly until he gives up and retires.
    it might not take too long and it might save then tens of millions of dollars

  78. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 10:19 am

    Greenies, nicotine, cocaine and caffeine never altered the numbers to these extremes.

    Impossible to prove, since they have been a part of the game from its very inception, so the baseline numbers are based on players chewing greenies like its going out of style.

  79. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:20 am

    For anyone interested in seeing the biggest b*tching ever handed out by a reporter, please check out this vid of Jessica Sanchez who is covering the Superbowl hype in New Orleans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

  80. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 10:20 am

    if a rod comes back in July and plays as badly as he did you in September last year he may will retire by the end of the year.

  81. mick January 31st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    If the Yankees have concluded AROD is not coming back they could go to the wall alleging a variety of misdeeds that somehow breach the contract. That could get ugly for both sides, particularly if AROD can present some evidnece the team knew or should have known of his use.
    ===============================
    Why would the Yanks not do this?
    After all the ugliness would Arod ever want to show his face here again?
    The Yanks would be on the side of the court of public opinion and would come up smelling like roses the more Arod fights back.

  82. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Jeter doesn’t always come out of the box hard. That is a myth. Go to more live games and you’ll see that sometimes he assumes he is going to be out and doesn’t bust it as much. And Cano is coming out of the box as a lefty who doesn’t have a very good first step or foot speed. Can he get out of the box with more intention when he thinks he may be out, maybe, but so could a ton of other players. Reminds me of a few years ago when everyone was admiring Pedey as a hustler and Cano was considered a second rate player. Same old, same old, dumping on Cano.

  83. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 10:23 am

    And it ignores several other factors when it comes to the steroid era vs other eras:

    - change in the ball
    - stadiums becoming more hitter friendly
    - expansion which dilutes the talent pool for pitchers
    - advances in medicine and training

    What were you old people doing when suddenly it became the norm for guys to hit 40+ HRs a season, which to that point had never been done regularly?

  84. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 10:24 am

    The NY Post this morning had an article where two orthopedic surgeons stated they believed that PED use did not contribute to ARod’s hip injuries and need for surgery. They are probably right.

    However, if in the future, he develops osteonecrosis -avascular necrosis, which is due to a diminished blood supply to the hip socket or head of the femur, which could necessitate the need for hip arthroplasty, it has been seen in patients on long term use of corticosteroids.

    I question whether the fact that Dr Kelly stated that he reshaped, resurfaced, the head of his left femur, whether that may cause some disruption in blood supply and hasten the onset of avascular necrosis?

  85. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:27 am

    @entylawyer

    Perfect timing for Dan Marino love child story. Right before his network hosts the Superbowl this weekend. Paid mom millions to keep quiet

    ——————-

    Am I the only one having Ace Ventura flashbacks…? Yes? Okay then!

  86. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:29 am

    What is the new caffeine alternative without greenies in the mix, beyond mega caffeine drinks? Are ginseng, ashwagandha, yerba mate and other natural herbs on that list of no-no’s? Is the herb chaste tree berry, which increases HGH banned? Or are all these herbs OK for ballplayers to use b/c they are natural, even though they may enhance performance? Slippery slope…

  87. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:21 am

    Jeter doesn’t always come out of the box hard. That is a myth. Go to more live games and you’ll see that sometimes he assumes he is going to be out and doesn’t bust it as much.

    ——————

    If you watch him enough it’s obvious even on tv that he’ll move down to a nice slow jog before he gets within a few steps of the bag. I never thought it was a big deal, but I think the only guy that actually comes out of the box on fire every time is Gardner because he knows he might be able to beat the routine plays. It’s pretty rare to see any guy come out of the box quickly, head down running hard, in every at bat.

  88. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    I’m not concerned about necrosis in arods femur, its the necrosis in the louisville slugger that concearns me.

  89. austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Mick,

    The Yankees may go all out to rid themselves of AROD and his contract. They need an arguable basis under the contract, and I expect they can find one. Then the question will be how much of his very dirty laundry he wants to become public.

    There was an article shortly after AROD’s doctor spoke following the surgery in which a noted orthopedist seemed to disagree steroids were definately not a culprit. I would bet the Yankees’ lawyer have spoken with him.

  90. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Ys Guy-

    I think there’s little chance that ARod will retire this year and forego the remainderr of what he’s owed.

    BTW-
    The most dominating[in terms of strength] player ever in the NBA, was Wilt Chamberlain! :)

  91. austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Shame,

    Finkle is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkle.

  92. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Not to diss Jeet, who usually does hustle. And as someone else mentioned, Teix would be the better example; he rarely hustles out of the box, but for some reason, he gets a pass.

  93. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:35 am

    austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Shame,

    Finkle is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkle.

    ————————-

    Dan Marino: You got anymore of that gum?
    Ace Ventura: That’s none of your damn business and I’ll thank you to stay out of my personal affairs.

  94. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Shame, yep. It is only a big deal because Cano gets called out for it. And you are right, Gardner and his ilk know they may be able to eek out a hit, but they have speed on their side, so the reason they hustle is obvious.

  95. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:37 am

    mac – My concerns if they go that route, like I mentioned yesterday, is that Arod can simply turn it around on the Yankees if he wanted. Imagine some ‘Joe Torre knew I was juicing’ headlines…wouldn’t look good for MLB.

  96. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:38 am

    yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Not to diss Jeet, who usually does hustle. And as someone else mentioned, Teix would be the better example; he rarely hustles out of the box, but for some reason, he gets a pass.

    —————–

    Yeah, this exactly.

  97. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Ys Guy-

    Maybe you are correct?

    Alex Rodriguez unlikely to return to Yankees, sources say, as third baseman is dealing with new drug scandal and lengthy hip surgery rehab

    Even before the latest steroid allegations surfaced, Yankee officials had already privately begun preparing for the likelihood that Rodriguez would never finish out the mega-deal he signed in 2007. He underwent his second hip surgery earlier in the month.

    By Bill Madden , Christian Red AND Teri Thompson / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

    Thursday, January 31, 2013, 12:51 AM

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2JZHLw7P2

  98. PacoDooley January 31st, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Hi All –

    Just saw the MLBTR post about A-Rod’s career possibly being over. What I don’t get is that, when he finished the surgery, all the talk was about his renewed mobility in the joint and repaired connective tissue would increase his performance back to where he was when he was clicking earlier last season. Suddenly, the PEDs new appears and his hips are so bad that he will never play again. I don’t get it (unless the idea is that he will now be PED free and hence unable to perform).

  99. mick January 31st, 2013 at 10:42 am

    To say you see more at the game is ludicrous.
    There’s too much going on .
    Who watches if a guy is hustling down the line?
    I watch the fielder, then the throw, then the call.
    To say Jeter doesn’t hustle is sacrilegious and shows proper attention is not being paid.
    TV and replays confirm what you see in glances.

  100. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 10:43 am

    PacoDooley,

    It is a sudden onslaught of wishful thinking by scorned media types and deluded fans.

  101. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 10:44 am

    TEX sliding head first into 1B, with his leg collapsing beneath him, is a picture that Cano should have to slap, before taking the field Every day. Picture = Thousand Words.

  102. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:44 am

    How do they know whether or not Alex could return at this early point? Sounds either like PR spin or wishful (willful?) thinking…

  103. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:44 am

    PacoDooley January 31st, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Hi All –

    Just saw the MLBTR post about A-Rod’s career possibly being over. What I don’t get is that, when he finished the surgery, all the talk was about his renewed mobility in the joint and repaired connective tissue would increase his performance back to where he was when he was clicking earlier last season. Suddenly, the PEDs new appears and his hips are so bad that he will never play again. I don’t get it (unless the idea is that he will now be PED free and hence unable to perform).

    ————————

    My guess is the Yankees are doing everything they can to support the narrative that Arod will never play another game with them. But I highly doubt there’s any real basis for this information other than wishful thinking.

  104. 4TrainNorth January 31st, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I agree that everyone should be subject to the lack-of-hustle scrutiny. And I think the Little Pony over in Beantown made a lot of routine stuff look difficult with his Eckstein impersonations. And, of course, how many extra hits does all-out hustle amount to over the course of a career? Maybe a dozen or so? But it’s not about production; it’s about Perception.

  105. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Ha! ‘Wishful thinking’ mentioned in 3 posts…we’re on the same page people lol.

    It’s wayyyy too early to know anything, but that won’t stop the media.

  106. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 10:45 am

    “I see substantial similarities between the Yankee Clipper and A-Rod. Both dated gorgeous celebrities and had inflated fragile egos,”

    sean-

    judging by you volunteering for the peace corps when you didn’t have to and completing your service in a challenging part of the world , you’re obviously have some high personal values.

    because of this i find it puzzling how you connect dimaggio and alex. you realize dimaggio enlisted in world war two and lost three years of his peak mlb years.
    do you really see alex rodriguez enlisting in anything for anyone else during the peak of his career?
    (and no not every mlb player enlisted in world war two. one recent deceased hall of famer didn’t go in until he was drafted and the war was over.)

    i don’t hate alex rodriguez, but i’m, not interested in him as a yankee. he’s always been just been a hired gun as far as i’m concerned. this isn’t to bash him, but he had other things he was meant to do rather than be a yankee. dimaggio, mantle, jeter were born to be yankees.

    dimaggio exuded class. i don’t think that’s describing alex.

    i’ve struggled with trying to define what the yankees are all about historically because the present yankees fall so far short of the yankees i grew up with. jeter and rivera are the real deal and get what it is to be a yankee.

    one part of what it is to be a yankee is something i have no doubt about and what jeter shows almost every day of the season. it’s something mantle set the standard on. it’s a quiet thing. it’s playing in pain for the team. modern fans have no idea the pain mantle played through. as a kid idolizing mantle , i knew he was always hurt. you could tell by the grimaces, the limp. the collapsing in certain swings. my point is that mantle and jeter set a standard for everyone else on the team. it really is a part of the yankee DNA.

    of course, this isn’t all there is to being a yankee, but it’s a big part of it. there is a professionalism and almost heroic suffering that these kind of players go through in leading the way for their team.
    and it’s not to pad their stats. if anything playing hurt the way they do lowers their stats. they don’t play hurt for themselves. they do it for the team.

  107. Folly Floater January 31st, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Jeter runs harder to first when he’s not running hard than Cano does when he’s “hustling”. I don’t trust Cano as a person. I want no part of the Yankees giving him an 8 year 200 million dollar contract and then having the Arod scenario play out all over again. There are already rumors about him and when Melky got busted he didn’t play for a few days and then went into a horrible slump. Slander sure. But let him leave and take the draft pick.

    Someone once asked the great Joe DiMaggio why he played so hard. DiMaggio replied, “Because there is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first time. I owe him my best.” Robinson Cano he was not.

  108. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:45 am
    Ha! ‘Wishful thinking’ mentioned in 3 posts…we’re on the same page people lol.

    It’s wayyyy too early to know anything, but that won’t stop the media.
    ___
    The media or the Yankees? You have to think the Yankees are feeding “the end of career” narrative to the media because that is the message they want to get out there.

  109. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 10:51 am

    arod’s bat has been slowing down for 3 years now while he’s been on ped’s. when he comes back, he’ll be 38 and coming off another hip surgery and may not be able to get any ped’s to help him out.

    consider also that he didnt even know there was anything wrong with the bad hip.

    the yankees might save $100M by just putting arod in the lineup till he shows he can’t hit anymore, then leaving him on the bench till he retires.

    if he finishes 2013 as badly as he finished 2012, with the fans going berserk booing him, he may very likely decide to call it a career after this season.

    yankees pocket $95M or so and $27.5M becomes available for the 2014 roster.

  110. mick January 31st, 2013 at 10:52 am

    DiMaggio also had better taste in women than Arod.

  111. ron January 31st, 2013 at 10:52 am

    Arod will not walk away from 86 million after the 2013 season.
    Best case scenario is the yankees buy him out,and save only a few pennies.
    Maybe arod takes 50 million,and walks away,but i seriously doubt it.

  112. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Does Tex get a pass or is he just slow?

  113. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 10:53 am

    dimaggio
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/d.....essay.html

  114. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am

    yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:51 am

    Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:45 am
    Ha! ‘Wishful thinking’ mentioned in 3 posts…we’re on the same page people lol.

    It’s wayyyy too early to know anything, but that won’t stop the media.
    ___
    The media or the Yankees? You have to think the Yankees are feeding “the end of career” narrative to the media because that is the message they want to get out there.

    ————–

    Oh yeah, the Yankees are feeding this big time. If they say it enough, maybe it will come true!

    Ys – No way Arod retires by the end of this season. That would be the most shocking development I could imagine. This guy was booed when he was the best player in the game.. if I’m him, I’d laugh off anything that comes my way from this point out.

    All thing considered, Arod still has the most power here.

  115. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am

    mick January 31st, 2013 at 10:52 am
    DiMaggio also had better taste in women than Arod.

    ——————–

    Alex does get a demerit for dating Madonna but his other choices are not bad lol.

  116. pat January 31st, 2013 at 10:55 am

    Listening to MLBNetwork, Jerry Hairston Jr was talking about rehabbing back from hip labrum surgery. PEDs (performance enhancing diagnostics) has added a new surgery to the baseball lexicon. Dr. Philippon did Hairston’s surgery.

  117. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax January 31st, 2013 at 10:55 am

    It is a sudden onslaught of wishful thinking by scorned media types and deluded fans.

    *******

    Kind of like all the talk about 189, Hal, Cashman, Montero, and Melky!!!!! Although you have to add “spolied” in front of “deluded fans.”

    Have faith in the Yankees, the old man said, and ignore those excel spreedsheets.

    Gotta run, my curfew is almost near here on Ceti Alpha V – - – -

  118. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:55 am

    mick, ever heard of peripheral vision? :) As for Jeter, I think my views regarding Jeter are well known here but whatever turns you on.

  119. mick January 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Arod still thinks he can pass Bonds and will demand a trade before this is done.
    The Marlins would be his best bet.

  120. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Henrich says that even DiMaggio’s slides were ferocious. “He was the roughest, hardest slider,” remembered Henrich. “He would hit the ground harder than anybody else.” Premier baseball writer Roger Angell, in a March, 1999 profile in The New Yorker, described DiMaggio’s play this way: “No one else brought such presence and quiet command to the hard parts of the game, or is remembered by all who saw him play as being engaged in a private vision of his work that was offered daily for our pleasure.”

    Late in his career, DiMaggio was asked why he hustled on a play that meant little in a game that had little bearing on the Yankee’s fate that year. “Because there is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first time,” DiMaggio explained. “I owe him my best.” This was perhaps DiMaggio’s career credo, a personal statement of his abiding work ethic.”
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/d.....essay.html

  121. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 10:57 am

    The difference is that the 189 limit is both likely to happen and already affecting the way the Yankees have done business. A-rod giving up 100 million dollars or suddenly not being able to play is not.

  122. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Odds, is Cano not slow? Or do we just expect him to be fast even though he isn’t? ;)

  123. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Shame – which Congressional hearings are you talking about? 2005? 2008? Do you know how the Mitchell Report actually came about? How about the 2008 hearings? What did you think of Selig’s testimony? How about Fehr’s? Did Congress sound like it didn’t care when it was questioning Selig and Fehr? How about its edict to them? Did it sound like it was just for show?

    Do you know who on the Congressional committee asked for Clemens’s autograph? That certainly matters. Do you realize that Clemens himself insisted on testifying, despite being told that it wasn’t necessary for him to be there?

    I’m not saying that Congress is made up of nothing but pristine, principled individuals. But to broad brush the whole thing by saying they were doing it for nothing but show I think it highly irresponsible, as well as, IMO, highly inaccurate.

    And about holding the hearings without consequence? Hardly. One thing the parties were told in the 2008 hearings was that they were there under oath and under penalty of perjury. And please don’t give me the “how did that turn out” pap. “Good” lawyers are able to keep things from juries that otherwise might end in convictions where there are none, were the evidence to be introduced. That’s our system. It’s the way things are. But because the government or prosecution doesn’t prove its case in the eyes of a jury doesn’t mean the defendant didn’t commit the act. We all know that. Though of course I can’t prove it, I always harken back to OJ.

  124. mick January 31st, 2013 at 10:59 am

    I have peripheral vision but not 3 dimensional vision.
    The closest I come to that is thru replays, slo-mo preferably.
    We all love Jeter.

  125. Yankee Trader January 31st, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Time to go.

    Maybe we’ll have a left handed DH soon in Hafner.

    Have a great day.

  126. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Randy, agree about the Pinstriped Warrior, play through pain aspect of Jeet, et al. A born Yankee.

  127. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:00 am

    If I’m Arod, I’m just like: http://www.laineygossip.com/Co.....-feeds.gif

  128. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 11:00 am

    I understand guys jogging into 1B on obvious outs. I do NOT understand Cano Consistently NOT diving for game deciding grounders late in games with a runner on 2B. INEXCUSABLE

  129. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 11:00 am

    Joe D doing his 3 favorite PED’s all at once: (picture 4)

    http://midniteatsunsetandvine......dance.html

  130. mick January 31st, 2013 at 11:01 am

    Alex does get a demerit for dating Madonna but his other choices are not bad lol.
    ==============================
    He was at his best with Kate Hudson.
    Once he left her I knew it was downhill from there.

  131. ron January 31st, 2013 at 11:01 am

    The only hope the yankees have is going to arod,and offering some kind of buyout where maybe they save 30,40,50,60 % of what they owe him,or trade him,and a team picks up 8 million a year,lessening the financial burden for the yankees,but arod is untradeable.

    Tell him his time is up,and he probably won’t play much for the remaining 5 years,and maybe he bails with 60 million.

  132. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 11:02 am

    mick, I sit behind the plate, so I don’t need a replay for that. For other things, yes.

  133. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am

    mick January 31st, 2013 at 11:01 am
    Alex does get a demerit for dating Madonna but his other choices are not bad lol.
    ==============================
    He was at his best with Kate Hudson.
    Once he left her I knew it was downhill from there.

    —————————————

    She did seem to stabilize him a bit.

  134. mick January 31st, 2013 at 11:04 am

    i sit behind the plate, upstairs. if you watch jeter not hustle down the line then you are missing a lot of the game.

  135. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Trisha – My overall point was they went through all of this and still can’t get blood tests in the league… it’s just a giant waste of resources for very little progress.

    Selig testified and looked like a chump, but still has his job. McGwire got a job as a hitting coach. Clemens has been welcomed with open arms into the Astros organization. Fehr is running the NHLPA.

    There were public consequences I suppose.. but it didn’t seem to hold anyone back.

  136. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Donny, you mean like this: See second frame.

  137. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Oddly enough, one of the few true pariahs to come out of all that was Canseco.

  138. mick January 31st, 2013 at 11:05 am

    would love to know why he left kate hudson.
    too respectable?

  139. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 11:06 am

    yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 10:57 am
    Odds, is Cano not slow? Or do we just expect him to be fast even though he isn’t?

    ————————-

    Cano looks like he has average speed for a runner. But it seriously looks like Tex struggles to run the bases lol.

  140. PacoDooley January 31st, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:44 am
    My guess is the Yankees are doing everything they can to support the narrative that Arod will never play another game with them. But I highly doubt there’s any real basis for this information other than wishful thinking.

    ——————————

    I suppose this is a likely situation – I am just surprised that they are able to dictate the nature of the discussion. I assume that this was why Cashman floated the ‘could miss the entire season’ narrative to get the ball rolling. The team clearly must have known that this was going to appear since the newspaper contacted people for comments and it was supposedly leaked (possibly by their agents to soften the impact).

  141. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 11:07 am

    mick, reread what I said. Jeter mostly hustles, but even he sometimes doesn’t bust it on an obvious out. No more, no less. Don’t embellish what I said.

  142. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Oops, link for Cano, second frame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9G3gpa-H1U

  143. austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    One thing we can know for sure. AROD isn’t voluntarily giving up $114M. That is a pipe dream.

    We know nothing and won’t know anything about AROD for some time. Even after MLB does it’s findings, that still may be only the start of it.

    Litigation over this could get ugly. As suggested earlier, AROD can probably suggest some members of the Yankees management had PED info they kept quiet. Who knows if true, but I guarantee it would be argued. The team may not want to sully its reputation further.

  144. Against All Odds January 31st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 10:14 am
    Was it already mentioned that today would be Jackie Robinson’s 94th birthday?

    ———————–

    Not sure if it was with that said

    HBD Jackie Robinson

  145. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Cano is heavy-legged and doesn’t get out of the box that fast. Teix is slow as well. Point is Teix doesn’t get called out and Cano always does.

  146. mick January 31st, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Well, I have never seen Jeter not bust it…

  147. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 11:09 am

    “One of DiMaggio’s great clutch performances came in 1949. For the eighth time in eleven seasons, DiMaggio didn’t open the season. This time the culprit was a bone spur in his right heel. DiMaggio was depressed not only by his inability to play but by the recent death of his father. His ulcers flared up. But then, in mid-June, the pain in his heel subsided.

    DiMaggio determined to return for a key three-game series in Boston against the Red Sox, who hoped to whittle down the Yankees’ five-game, first-place lead. Having only watched the game for over a month, DiMaggio hit a remarkable four homers in three games. He almost single-handedly swept the series, adding another notch to his reputation as an invincible player. ”
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/d.....essay.html

    the above series with the red sox was described in “The Summer Of 49″.
    my father actually got in trouble from my mother because of listening to one of those games when it was time for her to get to the hospital for me to be delivered. my whole childhood i heard my mother saying “damn yankees” because of the time my father spent listening to them .

    i literally came into the world on a yankee 4 game winning streak over the red sox led by dimaggio.
    so if anyone wonders why i have high standards for what i expect from the yankees it was simply the yankees i grew up with. to me they were the real yankees. the one the present yankees need to try to get back to.

  148. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:10 am

    Kate Hudson is insane, everyone knows that right? No? Okay.

    (Any woman that dates an egomaniac like Arod long term has her own issues, let’s be real.)

  149. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 11:11 am

    I haven’t seen Joe D play, so I can Not comment on that. I have seen him assa “pitch man”, and he was stiff and horrible. Toots Shor liked ‘em, and that recommendation says plenty.

  150. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:12 am

    austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 11:08 am

    One thing we can know for sure. AROD isn’t voluntarily giving up $114M. That is a pipe dream.

    We know nothing and won’t know anything about AROD for some time. Even after MLB does it’s findings, that still may be only the start of it.

    Litigation over this could get ugly. As suggested earlier, AROD can probably suggest some members of the Yankees management had PED info they kept quiet. Who knows if true, but I guarantee it would be argued. The team may not want to sully its reputation further.

    ———————–

    You really gotta ask yourself what Arod feels he owes the Yankees and their fans… like I said to JAP the other day, I’m not suggesting he names players but he could easily float some FO names out there that could have an impact on not just the Yankees but MLB’s executive crew.

  151. mick January 31st, 2013 at 11:12 am

    How is Kate insane? If dating Alex is your criteria , well maybe she saw the good in him?

  152. J. Alfred Prufrock January 31st, 2013 at 11:12 am

    “I don’t trust Cano as a person.”

    Did someone really say that?

    LOFL.

  153. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:13 am

    All he has to do is float it.. doesn’t need to have proof. Who wouldn’t believe him if he said Joe Torre knew guys were juicing? An MLB executive! The manager for Team USA!

    That’s a story the media would love to run with… and they would, evidence be damned. And tbh, I’d believe it.

  154. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 11:14 am

    mick, because he mostly does bust it. But I have seen even Jeter sometimes not bust it when he realizes he will be out. Too much time spent on Jeet though who we all know is a warrior bar none.

    shame, it is a sacred world; I would doubt most except a Canseco would name others.

  155. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Insecure men only date infinitely more insecure women. /Dear Abby’d

  156. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Arod’s already a pariah though.. he’s been treated like an ass by the fans when he WAS the best player in the league. Maybe at some point the guy decides that by trying to be liked by everyone he’s doomed to be hated for eternity. Not to mention that Torre took shots at him specifically in the past, already.

    If you don’t like the conversation, change it.

    Arod has a lot of power here. They should at least realize that.

  157. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 11:18 am

    ” Jeter mostly hustles, but even he sometimes doesn’t bust it on an obvious out. No more, no less.”

    yankeefeminista-

    one thing that amazed me when i first watched mlb players from an on field bullpen was how they timed their slides into second base on doubles to the gap. the really good base runners get there a split second before the tag. had they hustled more they’d be in there easy, but the really good players know the timing on the field. jeter for sure does. cano is not in the category of jeter for on field presence but he obviously has an amazing feel for the game. yeah he dogs it sometimes and it’d be better if he didn’t, but often cano knows he’s in there safe or out just like jeter does and they act accordingly. it’s not lazy. it’s sometimes just feeling the rhythm of the game.

  158. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    I still say LaRussa’s W-L record as a Mgr is inflated due to the Juicers he had on the field. And, he knew it. LaRussa had his own “Land Of The Giants” going. NO Hall for that phony.

  159. austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Shame,

    I read a funny Dear Abby at her death. A husband was concerned his wife went around the house all day naked. Abby said it wan’t a problem but suggested she wear an apron when frying bacon.

  160. mick January 31st, 2013 at 11:21 am

    I hate the fans are stupid scenario when it comes to Arod.
    If enough fans are booing him can they all be wrong?
    They stopped booing after 09, does that tell you something?
    They don’t care about his numbers , they want a winner.
    They never boo Jeter. Alex has better numbers.
    They never booed Reggie. He came over and they won.

  161. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 11:21 am

    There is something about listening to baseball on a radio for me, maybe a touch of nostalgic, maybe there is something magical about transistor radio wave traverse across space on a summer night… it leaves a lot to the imaginations… the murmurs of crowd methodically whispers in the background… it’s a timeless American experience to me.

  162. mick January 31st, 2013 at 11:22 am

    I still say LaRussa’s W-L record as a Mgr is inflated due to the Juicers he had on the field. And, he knew it. LaRussa had his own “Land Of The Giants” going. NO Hall for that phony.
    ==========================
    A Mgr kept out of the Hall for steroids?
    Now I have heard it all. ;)

  163. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 11:23 am

    as an aside on cano, i really like him as a yankee, and it would really be bad if it comes out he’s ever done PEDS. i’m so far beyond caring about alex as a yankee, but it would be a real low point for the yankees if cano gets busted for PEDS.

    it’s important for the yankees for cano to carry on the torch after playing side by side with jeter all these years.

    if PEDS interfer with that with cano and the yankees, the yankees pretty much need to start over.

  164. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 11:25 am

    All you need is 1 Play to show you a players’ dedication\determination. For Jeet, it’s emerging from the stands, bloodied but unbowed. For TEX, it’s that head first slide into 1B in Balt. CASE CLOSED

  165. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:26 am

    austinmac January 31st, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Shame,

    I read a funny Dear Abby at her death. A husband was concerned his wife went around the house all day naked. Abby said it wan’t a problem but suggested she wear an apron when frying bacon.

    ————————-

    :lol:

  166. mick January 31st, 2013 at 11:26 am

    YF-
    Why did you bring up your Dad playing at the Stadium if you didn’t want to embellish?

  167. mick January 31st, 2013 at 11:29 am

    They don’t care about his numbers , they want a winner.
    ====================================
    Another reason why his contract is anti-Yankee.
    Totally uncharacteristic of a team that never cared about individual numbers.

  168. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:29 am

    shame, it is a sacred world; I would doubt most except a Canseco would name others.

    ——————

    Between Francona and Torre’s books (coming out right on the tail of their exists from their respective organizations) I just don’t think that code is going to hold up.

  169. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:30 am

    exits* …ugh.

  170. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 11:30 am

    “Why did you bring up your Dad playing at the Stadium if you didn’t want to embellish?”

    mick-

    some things mean too much to talk about on a blog.
    people talk about what they want.

  171. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Totally uncharacteristic of a team that never cared about individual numbers.

    ——————

    The team just signed Ichiro to see if he can make them more money by chasing an individual achievement.

  172. LGY January 31st, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Over the past 6 seasons, Cano has played in 960 of 972 potential games. Aside from 2008, he has also been one of the best players in baseball in each of those seasons.

    Seems like whatever he’s doing he’s one of the smartest players in MLB at expending the correct amount of energy to stay on the field and remain productive.

    Stark contrast to Pedroia who gets commended for his hustle but can’t stay on the field.

  173. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:33 am

    ^ Preach.

  174. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 11:36 am

    “Seems like whatever he’s doing he’s one of the smartest players in MLB at expending the correct amount of energy to stay on the field and remain productive.”

    agree.

    you have any concerns about cano and PEDS?

    smoke/fire and all that sort of thing.

  175. pat January 31st, 2013 at 11:37 am

    “Arod has a lot of power here. They should at least realize that.”

    They do. The whole organization would be under a gag order and only their lawyers would be doing the talking if they thought they had an upper had.

  176. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 11:37 am

    The team just signed Ichiro to see if he can make them more money by chasing an individual achievement.
    —-
    I think that’s a very smart part of signing him; I could not wrong. we will never know.

  177. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Randy, Jeter always knows what is happening everywhere on the field. I think of Bill Bradley’s book title, A Sense of Where You Are. For Jeter, he has an almost preternatural instinct for the game. You can especially see it live over the course of years of repetition from watching Jeet always be in the right place at the right time. That is what people who criticize his game don’t get; it is like a 6th sense that can’t be taught.

    I agree that Cano too is a very instinctual ballplayer, but his fluidity rather than being admired/praised seems to be misinterpreted as that he is not working hard. Even when he is making the plays in the field, he is too graceful for people to get that he is actually “working hard.” He is just darn talented, which unbelievably is spun as some kind of detriment, especially in the past in the Pedey-Cano wars. Cano was always the more gifted player but people were mesmerized by Pedroia’s hustle and kind of missed Cano’s talent. One look at that swing, and you knew it was only a matter of time until Cano put it all together.

  178. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Shame – I can’t disagree with anything you’ve said, though I think that blood testing will be part of the next CBA. I’m pretty sure it’s what I read.

    But that’s why I say I’m happy that Congress is at least there as the watchdog. Any good coming out of it, IMO, is because Bud wants to hold tight to MLB’s antitrust exemption and he knows that as long as he has it, he has to call Congress his daddy. Without that stick, I truly believe the cheating would be commonplace and go unfettered and we’d see records being broken daily! Even though the MLB banned steroids since 1991, it didn’t implement testing until 2003. And we all know what was done about the 2003 report! The only way we even know there were players who tested positive was because because someone leaked it.

    Maybe in still ends up being nothing but a big GRRR!!! I’m hoping not, but Selig hasn’t failed me yet when it comes to being the posterboy for the big sleeze factor.

    :(

  179. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 11:37 am

    The team just signed Ichiro to see if he can make them more money by chasing an individual achievement.
    —-
    I think that’s a very smart part of signing him; I could not wrong. we will never know.

    —————-

    Course it is.. mick was just trying to imply Arod is the only guy that’s been given any incentive for individual performance. That type of language is now commonplace. We’ve done it with Andy, Jeter, and others for games played and things like that, all that is related to individual performance. If Arod ever got the HR record, it would make the Yankees more money than they planned to pay him.

  180. blake January 31st, 2013 at 11:42 am

    Meanwhile, the Rodriguez scenarios include:
    (1) A-Rod being forced to retire because of the injury, enabling the Yankees to collect 85% of the insurance on the contract, which would leave him with a paid-up deal that comes off the Yankee books and subsequently lessens their luxury-tax burden.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z2JZWi5f3P

    this isn’t even accurate if by “forced retirement” Bill is meaning a trip to the perma DL. It wouldn’t lessen the luxury-tax burden at all

  181. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 11:43 am

    I take pedroia in a NY minute, that is, if Cano leaves. btw, isn’t he a FA after this year, my guess is that he will get a 70-90 mil contract.

  182. blake January 31st, 2013 at 11:43 am

    “Stark contrast to Pedroia who gets commended for his hustle but can’t stay on the field.”

    I’ve made this point as well…..would we rather Cano have his uni dirty all the time and miss 20 games a year…..or be awesome and play every day with some perceived lack of hustle issues…..it’s a no brainer.

  183. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 11:44 am

    “A Mgr kept out of the Hall for steroids?”
    ==================================
    joe torre managed the 07 yankees: arod, melky, giambi, clemens, pettitte. will that keep him out?

  184. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 11:44 am

    congress holding baseball to a higher standard ?

    good one.

  185. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Signing Ichiro is like inking Liam Neeson for a flick. The international market will save you\$$$, even if the product stinks. The thought of a 50 Something beating up 6 guys is a joke. Of course, they come at Liam 1 atta time. Hilarious

  186. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 11:47 am

    I’m NO Torre guy. You do Not wanna go there.

  187. yankeefeminista January 31st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    They never boo Jeter.
    ____
    Au contraire. They booed him repeatedly during that slump in 2004. He was also booed in a Red Sox game at the Stadium, July 4th I believe, 2008. Mo has also been booed. I was at all of these games. It was despicable.

  188. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    blake, with exception to 2010, pedroia has play 140 games or more in the past five years, so I am sure it that narrative is all that compelling. I take both.

  189. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    “would we rather Cano have his uni dirty all the time and miss 20 games a year…..or be awesome and play every day with some perceived lack of hustle issues…..it’s a no brainer.”

    blake-

    it’s like having a really good offensive catcher. the last thing a team wants is him getting in the nose of every sliding runner at home plate. jorge used to take heat for his “ole” tags, but he was told to do that for the good of the team.

  190. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    played.

  191. blake January 31st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    Jason Parks ?@ProfessorParks
    I just asked a pro scouting dir about the biggest weakness in Oscar Taveras’s game: “He doesn’t play for us. That’s all I can think of.”

  192. blake January 31st, 2013 at 11:49 am

    “blake, with exception to 2010, pedroia has play 140 games or more in the past five years, so I am sure it that narrative is all that compelling. I take both.”

    he’s not as good as Cano either if you want to use that argument…..but yea I’d take him on my team any day.

  193. J. Alfred Prufrock January 31st, 2013 at 11:50 am

    randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 11:48 am

    “would we rather Cano have his uni dirty all the time and miss 20 games a year…..or be awesome and play every day with some perceived lack of hustle issues…..it’s a no brainer.”

    blake-

    it’s like having a really good offensive catcher. the last thing a team wants is him getting in the nose of every sliding runner at home plate. jorge used to take heat for his “ole” tags, but he was told to do that for the good of the team.
    ///

    Talent – is the most underrated thing in the world.

  194. blake January 31st, 2013 at 11:50 am

    “it’s like having a really good offensive catcher. the last thing a team wants is him getting in the nose of every sliding runner at home plate. jorge used to take heat for his “ole” tags, but he was told to do that for the good of the team.”

    yes

  195. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    sorry, i am not sure that… :D

  196. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:51 am

    trisha – I just don’t see how MLB could be that concerned given the NFL also has antitrust exemption status.

  197. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 11:53 am

    he’s not as good as Cano either if you want to use that argument…..but yea I’d take him on my team any day.
    ——
    it’s not an argument, it’s fact that is contradictory to hypothetical question you pose.

  198. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 11:53 am

    austin, the last time a nation-wide survey was taken, lawyers were either at or near the bottom of the “most respected professions”. What do you think the reason is for that? I am giving you my opinion and how I feel. You may not agree with it, but since you asked some questions, I will tell you my feelings. It’s my truth, and you can’t take it away from me. I have no respect whatsoever for attorneys who go into court and say whatever they have to in order to get their clients off. They know damned well that the client is guilty as sin, but if they can find loopholes they do it. We both know they exist and clutter the courthouses every day of the week. To me they are as much scum as the people they are representing. If there are defense attorneys out there who are defending clients who are innocent, of course they have my respect. If you listened to the Clemens hearings, there was a lot of information that the jury did not hear. But we the public heard it. And a lot of it was damning to Clemens, but the judge decided it couldn’t come in, for legally defensible reasons. I acknowledge that. But it doesn’t mean the evidence doesn’t exist. Hardin was everywhere with his defense, and anytime something incriminating showed up, he had a newly-minted story about why it was irrelevant to the case. You may consider him an excellent defense attorney – and by definition of getting his client off, I guess he would be. I consider him a hired gun and a prost*tute. (I absolutely believe he knew Clemens used steroids. As I said, some of the evidence he managed to keep out was extremely damning.) I felt the same way about OJ’s Dream Team. Kardashian later came out and said he believed OJ was guilty. By the way, I feel the same way about government prosecutors or plaintiff’s attorneys who withhold the truth or commit any kind of fraud. My feeling is, though, that it’s a lot more prevalent with defense attorneys. But I detest any kind of falsity put forward in an attempt to win a case. I would never do it and I’ve never done it.

    An offset to this is a true story that happened when I was still a law student, very early on. I guess I brought my rose-colored glasses to that venture too because I was stunned silent by what happened. The head of the public defenders office came to talk to us about working for the PD. I went to speak to him privately afterward and (naively as it turned out) asked him if it would bother him if he found out that he had gotten someone off who was actually guilty. He looked me like I had two heads and said that he estimated 98% of the clients who came to him were guilty. I then even more naively asked him if it bothered him to sleep at night knowing he defended a guilty client. He said not at all. And then turned his back on me and talked to someone else.

    I know it can become a slippery slope because every accused has the right to a vigorous defense and the guaranteed constitutional protections. But candor to the tribunal is part of the Model Rules, and knowingly defending someone who is guilty and getting them off is not candor to the tribunal. But again, we both know that it happens every day of the week.

    You may not agree with my opinion, but I hope you can at least respect it.

  199. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 11:53 am

    i see mlb going after a lifetime ban based on arod using for more than 3 separate seasons.

    if that happens, anything is possible including a retirement and or a settlement.

  200. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 11:56 am

    The 2B I like is Bobby Grich. That SOB would drop his knee into any runner coming into the bag, (not on DP’s), and the runner would run the risk of a shoulder separation or broken collar bone. He also was excellent at drawing interferrence calls by charging grounders and causing contact with runners going from 1B to 2B. Had Cano dropped to a knee on that Detroit runner coming back to 2B on Swish’s throw behind the runner, the runner woulda Never got back to the bag, and the blown call woulda gone our way.

  201. LGY January 31st, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 11:53 am
    i see mlb going after a lifetime ban based on arod using for more than 3 separate seasons.

    if that happens, anything is possible including a retirement and or a settlement.

    —————

    What precedent would there be for MLB instituting a lifetime ban???

    He has never even been suspended and very likely never will for violating the drug policy.

  202. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 11:59 am

    LGY January 31st, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 11:53 am
    i see mlb going after a lifetime ban based on arod using for more than 3 separate seasons.

    if that happens, anything is possible including a retirement and or a settlement.

    —————

    What precedent would there be for MLB instituting a lifetime ban???

    He has never even been suspended and very likely never will for violating the drug policy.

    ——————-

    The evidence against him right now, as far as I can tell, are pieces of notebook paper with his name written on them.

    It would be fun to watch if MLB tried, though. Arod’s lawyers could say they might be able to prove he bought it but they can’t prove he ever took it so neener neener neener!!

  203. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    And in a lifetime ban situation, why would the Yankees settle anything? While the luxury tax hit would still be there, they’d be absolved from paying any actual money.

  204. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    MLB could probably get a Lifetime Ban, provided A-Rod hires that PD from “My Cousin Vinny” to defend him. Short of that, Notta Chance In Hell.

  205. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    “trisha – I just don’t see how MLB could be that concerned given the NFL also has antitrust exemption status.”

    NFL’s antitrust exemption was granted to merge the AFL and the NFL. Baseball is the only sport with extremely broad antitrust protection.

    And it was a baseball player who wrote about the scandal in baseball, along with individual Congresspeople being petitioned to do something about the problem when they lost high-school age sons who were baseball players using steroids, to suicide, that was the nexus that brought it to the forefront.

    ***************

    Later y’all. If you have posted anything to me that calls for a response, I will do so later on.

    :)

  206. randy l. January 31st, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    trisha-

    watch an episode or two of “Spirals” on netflix if you want too see a french version of justice explored and how lawyers fit in that system.

    personally, i think there are lawyers and then there are lawyers. you can’t judge them as a group.

  207. trisha - true pinstriped blue January 31st, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    randy – I abolutely agree. But the bad ones have caused the good ones to take a huge generic hit in the eyes of the public.

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