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Yankees on the verge of deal with Hafner

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jan 31, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees are close enough to a deal with Travis Hafner that it could be announced later today or tomorrow. Sources have indicated that the deal is in place, just waiting for the contract language to be agreed upon. The Yankees plan to use Hafner as a platoon designated hitter, strictly playing against right-handers. No dollar figure has been confirmed, though it’s believed to be close to the one-year, $1.1 million given to Raul Ibanez around this time last winter.

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211 Responses to “Yankees on the verge of deal with Hafner”

  1. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    i think the question of whether this could count as multiple offenses is the most critical question in this whole affair. and i havent heard or read one person who addressed it.

    if its multiple violations, then i think arod’s career is over one way or another.

  2. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    if the yankees convince bud to go for the lifetime ban, they now only save potentially $114M from arod, but mlb will have to bear the legal expenses of defending the suspension with the arbiter and likely in court.

  3. 4TrainNorth January 31st, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Please, A-Rod, pull a Raffy on us.

  4. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Hafner. Guy’s a “younger?” Thome. DUMB but Cheap, and Cheap Now rules the day.

  5. blake January 31st, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Chad breaking a story!

  6. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Ibanez signed 1yr\$2.75 Mill, can actually play a positon, and situational hit. Hafner was cheap, and Cheap Rules The Day.

  7. blake January 31st, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Love the deal for that money

  8. pat January 31st, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    This is an interesting group……

    jnorris427
    The @TrentonThunder announce bobleheads of Youkilis, Cano, Chase the Batdog, Joba and a mini bobble of Nomar Garciaparra.

  9. blake January 31st, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Hafner will hit more than Ibanez if he can stay healthy….that’s a big if though

  10. charlestonchew January 31st, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    I find it kind of peculiar that the Yankees are always so willing to roll the dice with unproven, or half proven, starters in the rotation. Sure, we like to believe in the guys (Hughes and Nova, over the past few years are examples). We also roll the dice a bit on the bullpen, going with young, in-house options or even waiver and Rule 5 claims. But when it comes to the position players, we seem to be quite averse to taking a chance on younger position players. It has paid off to let these players prove themselves, even if they end up proving themselves elsewhere (i.e.: Jackson & Kennedy, Hughes). What I’d almost prefer to see, is the Yankees making some room in both the infield and outfield for some of the more promising, young talent that we have in the system. Of course, that will depend on the status of Cano and Rodriguez and their massive salary requirements going forward. Will we perhaps see a very young Yankees team in 2014, 2015, with emerging talent like Austin and Williams and Adams and even, maybe, Heathcott and Sanchez?

    If we really want the same kind of team that led us to win and contend (and looked electrifying doing it) from 1996-2004, I think we need to consider the potential hardships of letting our younger players develop. The Yankees weren’t much of a team leading up to 1995, 1996, because it took a semi-rebuilding/restructuring process to get there. We had to draft, develop, and retain a lot of these younger players, like Mo, Pettitte, Jeter, Po. We did a similar thing with ASoriano & Cano, but, aside from Hughes, Gardner, and Robertson, they are the only really significant players to come through the system and make a big impact over the past many seasons. We may need to feel the pain of the transition to return to the brilliance of a youthful, homegrown (buffed with hand-picked free agents) team that we all want to root for. No more Randy Johnson or ARod or Giambi or AJ Burnett. No more wasted money on these kinds of signings for these kinds of players. I’m more than happy to see the Yankees miss the playoffs for a few years if it means we have a team of younger guys proving themselves. It’s way more fun to watch…. and will be even more satisfying when we defy expectations in the year that everything comes together and we break through. Patience is a virtue.

    And this is a rambling.

  11. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    i think the question of whether this could count as multiple offenses is the most critical question in this whole affair. and i havent heard or read one person who addressed it

    ==============================

    Right now he’s at ZERO. This would be #1.

  12. Bronx Jeers January 31st, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    @IvanNova47: Q aburrimiento aquí en tampa dios mio!!!!!!

    ————————-

    My God is it boring here in Tampa.

  13. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    So they are willing to sign players who might have used PEDs in the past, but not in the recent past?

  14. chicken little January 31st, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Hafner hopefully works out. I hope the Yanks add a couple more RH bats (on minor league deals) and few pitchers on minor league deals. However, i hope the Yanks don’t then decide to stash half these guys at AAA for the season. let the prospects play. there always are scrap heap guys available during the season.

  15. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    “Right now he’s at ZERO. This would be #1.”
    —————————————
    #1 could be in the spring of 2009, #2 could be the spring of 2010, #3 could be the spring of 2011 (that’s the lifetime ban magic #) and #4 (just for spit and grins) was last spring.

  16. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    plus, arod’s drug mule cousin appears on the list, too, and arod basically implicated him before in being a supplier. so violations #5,6,7 & 8 could come out of this investigation.

  17. blake January 31st, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    @mikeaxisa: Hafner’s spray chart vs. RHP last three years: http://t.co/YLYsgIZS. He’ll like Yankee Stadium.

  18. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Hafner will hit more than Ibanez if he can stay healthy….that’s a big if though

    =================================

    He’ll hit better, but I doubt he’ll hit more.

    If he gets 300 PA’s it’ll be a happy day.

  19. G. Love January 31st, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    The 95-96 team were hardly homegrown centered.

    In ’96 our rotation was Cone, Key, Gooden, Kenny Rogers and Pettitte. Andy was the only one drafted & developed by the Yankees.

    Mo was not the closer then. Wettleland was with Mo setting up.

    As for the team in the field, guys like Boggs, Sierra, Raines, Tino, Fielder, Girardi, Charlie Hayes, O’Neil, Straw, Mariano Duncan were not draft picks. Bernie, Jeter, Leyritz and Gerald Williams were the homegrown guys who played the most and Leyritz and Gerald were not starters. Jorge Posada played 8 games in 1996. If any prospect played a lot that season it was oddly enough Andy Fox who seemed to be in every game.

    That team wasn’t 9 players from the farm and 5 starters drafted and developed.

    We have more than that now.

    That team was a mix of guys who wanted a ring and came together to get one.

    And they sure were a lot of fun to watch.

  20. blake January 31st, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    “Right now he’s at ZERO. This would be #1.”
    —————————————
    #1 could be in the spring of 2009, #2 could be the spring of 2010, #3 could be the spring of 2011 (that’s the lifetime ban magic #) and #4 (just for spit and grins) was last spring.”

    Arods name was never supposed to be leaked in 2009….he could have probably sued MLB for that had he wanted to. He’s never failed a test since testing started and he failed the test in 2003 when testing hasn’t been out in place yet or penalties by a CBA…..he’s at zero like AAA says

  21. blake January 31st, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    January 31, 2013 at 2:15 pm
    So they are willing to sign players who might have used PEDs in the past, but not in the recent past?

    Correct….and only ones that’ll take like 1 million bucks

  22. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    “The 95-96 team were hardly homegrown centered.”

    Could those teams have won without Jeter, Bernie, and Rivera? Put another way, could the Yankees have acquired players to supply similar production and still have won? I don’t think so. The homegrown players provided an indispensable foundation on which to build around.

    In contrast, the homegrown players they have now, but for Cano, are far more fungible.

  23. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    of course he’s at zero now. want to bet that’s gonna change this year?

    my point is that each purchase is a violation in and of itself. he doesnt need to fail any drug tests. if they consider each purchase a violation, he can be banned for life.

  24. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Correct….and only ones that’ll take like 1 million bucks

    ==================================

    Or $12 million bucks.

  25. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    alot of the talent on the 96 team was aquired by trading developing talent, too.

    the magic of that team was stick’s amazing picks of who to keep, who to trade, who to trade for and who to sign.

  26. Bronx Jeers January 31st, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    From his wiki…

    April 15, 2011 – After a solo homer by Hafner, two fans were shown on TV wearing donkey masks and holding a sign that read Pronk’s Donkz.

    Pronk’s Donkz have since shown up at many games and are known to sit in the Bleachers. Hafner is also known to go yard when they are in attendance.

    ——————

    Any volunteers?

  27. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    “”the magic of that team was stick’s amazing picks of who to keep, who to trade, who to trade for and who to sign.”

    This is true, but I think it supports rather than negates my point.

    Unfortunately, it’s no longer true.

  28. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    “#1 could be in the spring of 2009, #2 could be the spring of 2010, #3 could be the spring of 2011 (that’s the lifetime ban magic #) and #4 (just for spit and grins) was last spring.”

    If you take the time to read Section 7 of the Joint Drug Agreement you will understand that ARod has no violations, and in fact the latest brouhaha is unlikely to result in a violation either.

  29. G. Love January 31st, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    It’s a little weird how most in this blog were ripping Hafner apart for showing up one spring about 40 pounds of muscle lighter than the season before and then watched his numbers plummeting from where they were. A lot of people here pointed the finger at him as a PED user who quit the sauce when the testing got stricter.

    Now that he’s going to be a Yankee, all that doesn’t matter I guess.

    I just know, for me, after this Arod nonsense with the Yankees trying to morally distance themselves from that “sordid” affair, it smacks the wrong way knowing Hafner probably juiced to get the physique and probable numbers that accompanied that which have since disappeared as his body shrunk.

    Whatever. At this point it doesn’t matter. They need hitters. As long as Hafner can hit RHP decent enough, it’ll do.

    It still feels odd to be happy about signing another guy whose career may have been built on PED’s.

  30. MoRings42 January 31st, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Travis Hafner is a guy who’s been injured every single year since 2007.. yay … This signing reminds me of that Nick Johnson signing a few years ago.. Cheap and high risk

  31. Bronx Jeers January 31st, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Lou Piniella had a hand in getting us Paul O Neill and Tino.

    Hard to believe we’re getting close to 20 years ago.

  32. blake January 31st, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    “Now that he’s going to be a Yankee, all that doesn’t matter I guess.”

    It’s all speculation with Hafner….and if he can hit I really could care less what he did….if Alex could still hit well enough to cover the money he’s owed the Yanks would be I total spin mode right now trying to downplay all of this rather than voiding his contract

  33. blake January 31st, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Or $12 million bucks.”

    Youk has only taken ugly enhancers

  34. G. Love January 31st, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    Rich,

    We didn’t know in 96 that 2 of those 3 were 1st ballot Hall of Famers. If we’re sitting on 1st ballot hall of famers in the minors I doubt they’re being blocked by what’s up on the big club right now.

    I’m not saying that we could’ve won with Kevin Elster at SS. I’m just saying that the majority of that particular team was built around acquired vets through trade and free agency.

    It wasn’t just all the kids from Columbus showed up and won a pennant together.

    The great one’s showed up and they really didn’t require all that much patience because of the way they performed and the talent surrounding them allowing them to develop.

    I do feel any kids coming up now have the weight of the franchise on their shoulders because of this budget nonsense. That wasn’t the case for Jeter, Bernie, Mo & Andy back in the day.

  35. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    It will be interesting to see if the leaks about the distaste for A-Rod from the Yankees’ hierarchy change if he starts producing at a high level again.

  36. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    Or $12 million bucks.”

    Youk has only taken ugly enhancers

    =======================

    Was speaking of one Andrew Eugene Pettitte.

  37. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax January 31st, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    It will be interesting to see if the leaks about the distaste for A-Rod from the Yankees’ hierarchy change if he starts producing at a high level again.

    *******

    Of course they will, just like the distaste from the lohud about Teixeira will change if he starts producing at a high level again – - – -

  38. Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    btw, this is the top of alex rodriguez’s wikipedia page.

    “Alexander Emmanuel “Alex” Rodriguez (born July 27, 1975) is a former American baseball third baseman.. Known popularly by his nickname A-Rod, he previously played shortstop for the Seattle Mariners, Texas Rangers, and New York Yankees.”

  39. Duh Innings II January 31st, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    ‘Good classic low risk-high reward signing by the Yanks.

    Hafner gets on base, hits righties well, and has pop.

    Health is the key.

    No matter that he can’t play the field cuz Youk and someone else could back up at first.

    If healthy and good I say at least 23 HR, 75 RBI, .260/.350/.475/.825 – a steal for the money assuming it’s a mil base (figure $1.5-2M after incentives based on number of plate appearances kick in.)

  40. blake January 31st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Was speaking of one Andrew Eugene Pettitte.”

    Oh…he doesn’t count

  41. chicken little January 31st, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    alot of the talent on the 96 team was aquired by trading developing talent, too.

    the magic of that team was stick’s amazing picks of who to keep, who to trade, who to trade for and who to sign.
    ————————
    The Lee Smith trade is a perfect example of this. George desperately wanted to make a move in 93. Stick knew the Yanks weren’t quite “there” yet, but to appease his boss traded for Lee Smith. However, what people forget is that the deal took time to finalize (despite George pestering Stick) because Stick refused to trade the prospect the Cards wanted. Instead he trade Rich bachelor. And the prospect STL wanted was?????????????????? Andy Pettitte.

  42. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    G. Love

    Right, but that’s at least in large part about consistency and durability, which admittedly, wasn’t necessarily foreseeable.

    1996

    Jeter: .314 .370 .430 .800
    Bernie: .305 .391 .535 .926
    Mo: 107.2 IP 240 ERA+

    That’s pretty great up the middle offensive production from cost-controlled players, which given them the financial flexibility to add some of the veteran players you mentioned, and the absence of that is a part of what constrains their spending now.

  43. G. Love January 31st, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Rich,

    I always feel like when Bill Madden writes something in the Daily News, someone in the Yankees front office is holding the pen. For him to put his name to an article indicating they think they’ll never see Arod in a Yankees uniform again? I don’t know. This might be the death rattle.

    I realize he used to get his info direct from George, but I still think he has a pipeline w/in the front office/ownership.

    It could be posturing and a way to wake Arod up to the fact that they no longer want him here and he should start talking to them about some kind of buyout.

    The only reason Arod would take a buyout, in my opinion, is if he still thinks he can play and doesn’t want to be held hostage in NY. Otherwise all he has to do is show up and collect 114 million and I don’t see how the Yankees can really stop him.

  44. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    If you take the time to read Section 7 of the Joint Drug Agreement you will understand that ARod has no violations, and in fact the latest brouhaha is unlikely to result in a violation either.

    ========================================

    Under 7 E, there is discipline for possession of prohibited in substances, but only in the case of a CONVICTION for said possession.

    He won’t be, as he is clearly not the target of this investigation.

    He’s at ZERO.

  45. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    G. Love

    If Madden doesn’t still have a pipeline, he seems to be trying to get back into their good graces…

  46. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    You got your choice of rewarding a guy that filled in for you defensively during the season, and hit clutch in the Playoffs\Ibanez, or going Cheap and signing Travis “Nick Johnson” Hafner. Cheap Rules The Day.

  47. blake January 31st, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    “It could be posturing and a way to wake Arod up to the fact that they no longer want him here and he should start talking to them about some kind of buyout.”

    I think it’s either this or merely to show they are done with him so he will wave his no trade….I think the threats of voiding his deal are just that….threats….

  48. PacoDooley January 31st, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Hafner deal is better than the Ibanez option last year, and arguably better than a lot of their recent DH types (Thames, Jones). Could be a decent signing of he can pull a bunch of HRs over the short porch/

  49. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    1996

    Jeter: .314 .370 .430 .800
    Bernie: .305 .391 .535 .926
    Mo: 107.2 IP 240 ERA+

    ========================

    Also A. Pettitte 21-8, 221 IP, 129 ERA+, CY runner-up

  50. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    AAA-

    Right.

  51. PacoDooley January 31st, 2013 at 2:47 pm

    I agree with the comments about Madden. He says:

    “According to numerous baseball sources, the hip surgery Rodriguez is now recovering from will likely derail his playing career, leaving him in such a diminished role that he may consider a settlement or an outright retirement. He still has five years and $114 million left on his contract.

    “I don’t know why he would want to go through the pain of rehabbing and trying to play up to the caliber of player he was, and come back to a game where nobody wants him,” said a baseball official.

    “If he did that, he’d be a part-time player and presumably unable to achieve any of the incentive clauses in the contract or even the milestones.”

    He really does sound like he an arm of the Yankees organization with this stuff. Suddenly A-Rod has become Albert Belle after recently being discussed as a guy coming back at the AS break.

  52. G. Love January 31st, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Rich,

    Agreed. Hitting on SS, CF, Closer, 1 of your top 5 SP and eventually C is pretty unprecedented and a huge part of why the Yankees continue to win to this day.

    I just think it’s important to make the distinction between guys who were clearly ready for the jump taking those positions and guys who are 2-3 levels away from MLB being relied upon to make that jump.

    I remember Jeter having some throwing problems early on. They had patience and he eventually corrected that. But if he didn’t hit and lead like he did, maybe he could’ve been Nunez’d.

    The one thing I ask people to remember about that time and those prospects were how they didn’t really ever flop at the big league level. That’s rare.

    That being said, seeing a kid like Adam Warren get crushed and then banished like last season isn’t the right approach. Girardi, who gets a lot of credit for stuff like this, also pretended Melancon didn’t exist after he was shaky early on.

    Although seeing the path Melancon’s career has taken? Maybe he was right to look away from him.

    Who knows. It’s fun to debate though.

  53. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Bernie was a vicious RHer against lefties in those days… he was probably the best overall CF behind Grif for a period of 5 years. I miss Bernie my favorite guy on those late 90s team.

  54. PacoDooley January 31st, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Ys Guy January 31st, 2013 at 2:36 pm
    btw, this is the top of alex rodriguez’s wikipedia page.

    “Alexander Emmanuel “Alex” Rodriguez (born July 27, 1975) is a former American baseball third baseman.. Known popularly by his nickname A-Rod, he previously played shortstop for the Seattle Mariners, Texas Rangers, and New York Yankees.”
    ————————

    The page is editable, someone needs to fix it…

  55. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    “Also A. Pettitte 21-8, 221 IP, 129 ERA+, CY runner-up”

    Sorry, Andy!

  56. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Paulie for Kelly was all Stick…he had uncanny sense of parting with ‘right’ prospect in those days. I pretty much consider Oneil as a Yankee.

  57. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    “If he did that, he’d be a part-time player and presumably unable to achieve any of the incentive clauses in the contract or even the milestones.”

    ========================================

    Yep. It would be absolutely devastating if he only got $114M to play baseball.

  58. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    he’d be a part-time player and presumably unable to achieve any of the incentive clauses in the contract or even the milestones

    He wouldn’t be able to hit 13 HRs? Doesn’t have any incentives other than the HR milestones. He needs 67 over 5 years to hit 2 milestones.

  59. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    Looking to duck the A-Rod contract, is errily similar to what The Boss attempted with Winfield and his contract.

  60. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    ARod will not only return to the Yanks, he’ll be better than any player the Yanks are likely to replace him with, given the Yanks’ current policies.

    So everybody ought to hope he comes back soon.

  61. Cashmoney January 31st, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    G. Love is right about the fact those guys came up and quickly shown they belonged… not all prospects adapt so quickly. It remain to seen if the Yanks are willing to give the time and growing pain that comes with developing young positional players.

  62. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    I agree that A-Rod will be good again. The issue is how often will he break down.

  63. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    “It remain to seen if the Yanks are willing to give the time and growing pain that comes with developing young positional players.”

    That’s the glaring inconsistency in Hal’s statements. He wants to give kids a chance, but he wants to be able to win the WS every year (or at least give that appearance). That’s really hard to do with key aging players and a reluctance to add impact players in their prime (because they’re really expensive) to offset the development process.

    That’s why, for example, Headley and Andrus may make more sense than just Cano.

  64. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    “Yep. It would be absolutely devastating if he only got $114M to play baseball.”

    Lol…Arods net worth is like 300 million according to Forbes.

  65. pat January 31st, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    “So everybody ought to hope he comes back soon.”

    If Youk is hitting .240, they will. Remember when Cody Ransom was going to make us forget Alex? Good times.

  66. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    “ARod will not only return to the Yanks, he’ll be better than any player the Yanks are likely to replace him with, given the Yanks’ current policies.”

    I think he will play again… I just don’t think it’ll be with the Yankees

  67. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    blake

    What do you see as the most likely path out for him?

  68. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:09 pm

    “I think he will play again… I just don’t think it’ll be with the Yankees”

    You ought to hope he does, or the Yanks will be even worse than I (and I suspect you as well) think they’ll be.

    Getting rid of ARod won’t fix the Yanks’ cap problem, because one way or the other they are going to be stuck with the contract (or the lion’s share of it) for cap purposes.

  69. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    “What do you see as the most likely path out for him?”

    I think they will either buy him out and try to at least defer some of the payments or they will wait until he’s ready to return and trade him at the deadline to somebody that needs a bat ….

  70. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    “You ought to hope he does, or the Yanks will be even worse than I (and I suspect you as well) think they’ll be.”

    Id love for him to come back healthy and produce….I just think the yanks are likely done with him

  71. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    “Getting rid of ARod won’t fix the Yanks’ cap problem, because one way or the other they are going to be stuck with the contract (or the lion’s share of it) for cap purposes.”

    The only way they can get any relief is to trade him….the relief will be minimal but some team might be willing to take like 10-15 % of his contract or something if he gets healthy

  72. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    “I just think the yanks are likely done with him”

    If they get rid of him, they drop from an 87 win team to an 85 win team for 2013.

  73. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Getting rid of A-Rod’s contract does Not ensure that Hal is gonna loosen the purse strings. The onus should be on Hal Not A-Rod. The $$$ is there to pay A-Rod, AND sign good players and Still run in the black. Hal simply chooses Not to do this.

  74. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    “If they get rid of him, they drop from an 87 win team to an 85 win team for 2013.”

    I’m not convinced he will play this year anyways……

  75. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    blake-

    Me neither but I don’t think they make the playoffs without him. And even with him they odds aren’t real good.

  76. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: Mark Newman, VP of Player Development: We have Austin Romine slated to start at Triple-A

  77. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    ?@AndrewMarchand

    Mark Newman, VP of Player Development: We have Austin Romine slated to start at Triple-A

  78. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    That’s the right move. I hope Cervelli has a big ST (and start to the season).

  79. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    “Me neither but I don’t think they make the playoffs without him. And even with him they odds aren’t real good.”

    Depends on which Arod we are talking about….the model that played in October wasn’t a big league player at all. I doubt they are a playoff team currently with or without him unless a whole bunch of things break right….and they could … We shall see

  80. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Blocked by Stewie and Cervy… Depressing

  81. AAA January 31st, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Blocked by Stewie and Cervy… Depressing

    ==========================

    He probably needs the time. Hasn’t distinguished himself at that level yet. Didn’t look at all good in the AFL from all reports.

    Punting on that position sucks, but that where they are.

  82. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    You guys are writing Youk off before Day 1. Your patience would make The Boss blush.

  83. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    “Punting on that position sucks, but that where they are.”

    Isn’t where they had to be….but yea

  84. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    I don’t think they want Romine to put pressure on himself to make the team out of ST, kind of like Montero did two years ago. This way, if he has a lights out ST, they can re-evaluate.

  85. BoJo January 31st, 2013 at 3:23 pm

    I’m glad about Hafner signing…I was calling for it in December…good to see Cash is finally reading my posts :-)

  86. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    Any player blocked by Stewart, should find another line of work.

  87. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Blocked by Stewie and Cervy… Depressing
    —————

    My guess is that if Romine’s ready to play he’ll play, but he is coming off a lost year. I still think he’ll end up being the starter and if not the Yankees will make a move for another catcher.

  88. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Incidentally – I’m a fan of the Hafner signing. I think as long as the Yankees are able to keep him healthy he’s going to add a lot to this lineup.

  89. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    “Depends on which Arod we are talking about….the model that played in October wasn’t a big league player at all. I doubt they are a playoff team currently with or without him unless a whole bunch of things break right….and they could … We shall see”

    You have to hope the surgery did something positive. It should have, so I think it’s not unjustified to think there’s a good chance ARod could be a productive player again.

    The problem is, there’s a lot more that could break wrong for the 2013 Yanks than could break right, at least in my gloomy view. That’s why the 2012 fizzle was so depressing to me.

  90. mick January 31st, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    from spray chart looks like haf hits to all fields.
    is barajas better than stewie or cervy?

  91. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    January 31, 2013 at 3:23 pm
    I don’t think they want Romine to put pressure on himself to make the team out of ST, kind of like Montero did two years ago. This way, if he has a lights out ST, they can re-evaluate.

    I agree…

  92. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Blocked by Stewie and Cervy… Depressing
    —————

    ____

    More blocked by missing all of 2012 with a back injury.

  93. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    I don’t think Alex suits up for the Yankees ever again.

  94. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    January 31, 2013 at 3:23 pm
    I don’t think they want Romine to put pressure on himself to make the team out of ST, kind of like Montero did two years ago. This way, if he has a lights out ST, they can re-evaluate.

    I agree…
    ——————

    I also don’t think they want Romine to come in thinking that the job’s going to be handed to him.

  95. jacksquat January 31st, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Barring complications in Arod’s recovery, I predict he will be playing for the Yankees sometime in the second half of 2013 (unless he is serving a delayed ban).

    The Yankees are only interested in getting rid of him if it saves them from having to pay his contract. It’s all about the money. They aren’t going to pay him to play for someone else. He’s not going to cost them 20+ mil per year in lost revenue because of his reputation, so he will stay.

  96. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Coulda made Romine the back-up to Cervelli, and if he had a good ST, made Romine the starter. After what I saw outta Stewart last season, he should a memory. He was brought in as a defensive catcher, and was anything but.

  97. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    “Coulda made Romine the back-up to Cervelli, and if he had a good ST, made Romine the starter”

    They still could.

    I agree about Stewart…

  98. mick January 31st, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Best Case Scenario:

    Arod comes back for 2nd 1/2 strong and leads us to a World Series.

    2014 now becomes an amnesty year.

  99. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    It’s no surprise the Yanks aren’t jumping Romine a level. To be honest, I don’t see him being productive offensively in 2013 at the major league level anyway.

  100. DONNYBROOK January 31st, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    If Hal was smart, he slipped that Saw Bones something under-the-table, and that bone was Not rounded, but shaped into an arrowhead.

  101. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    It’s no surprise the Yanks aren’t jumping Romine a level. To be honest, I don’t see him being productive offensively in 2013 at the major league level anyway.
    ——————

    Romine, like every other young player, is going to have to earn it – nothing wrong with that.

    If he doesn’t – Cervelli and Stewart will NOT be the catchers for the Yankees – I feel confident in that.

  102. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    “Cervelli and Stewart will NOT be the catchers for the Yankees – I feel confident in that.”

    You do? Remember, Jose Molina’s taken….

  103. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    “Cervelli and Stewart will NOT be the catchers for the Yankees – I feel confident in that.”

    You do? Remember, Jose Molina’s taken….
    —————

    I think if it comes down to it the Yankees will make a trade – Kurt Suzuki is the guy who makes the most sense.

  104. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    This is why, if they were going to sign a player for two years, it should have been Martin instead of Ichiro.

  105. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    “I think if it comes down to it the Yankees will make a trade – Kurt Suzuki is the guy who makes the most sense.”

    I don’t see the Yanks getting him, and I don’t see him helping that much if they did get him. But maybe I’m just being negative.

  106. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    “Cervelli and Stewart will NOT be the catchers for the Yankees – I feel confident in that.”

    I thought this a month ago….I thought there was no way they’d go into the season with no catcher ….now seems almost certainty

  107. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    “This is why, if they were going to sign a player for two years, it should have been Martin instead of Ichiro.”

    I would have preferred Martin and Dickerson to Stewart and Ichiro.

  108. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    @ESPNNYYankees: @AndrewMarchand and myself will have a story up soon on http://t.co/mha1Vktg with the latest from A-Rod on his intentions for 2013

  109. blake January 31st, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    @jay_jaffe: Travis Hafner .278/.385/.470 vs. RHP over past 3 years. If his shoulder holds together, good low-cost deal

  110. chicken little January 31st, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    I am all for starting Romine at AAA. He didn’t play much last year. That said, if that was the plan, then something better than Stewart/Cervelli at C should have been done. At a minimum, if the Yanks truly desire defense so much, Stewart,Cervelli plus an offensive minded catcher capable of playing another position or DH’ing should have been done to cover the need for pop in the lineup late in games, days where half the players don’t hit much. The Yanks should offer the remaining FA catchers minor league deals and have an open competition.

  111. pat January 31st, 2013 at 4:00 pm

    I think Chad had this scoop today before Heyman.

    Ken_Rosenthal
    Hafner deal with #Yankees all but done, as first reported by @JonHeymanCBS. Will be one year, low base salary, plus incentives.

  112. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 3:49 pm

    “This is why, if they were going to sign a player for two years, it should have been Martin instead of Ichiro.”

    I would have preferred Martin and Dickerson to Stewart and Ichiro.
    —————–

    You would rather have a 30 year old career minor leaguer in RF over Ichiro?

    Stewart won’t be the starting C for the Yankees so they didn’t pick him over Martin. Though signing a guy who barely breaks .200 for any sort of real money is just dumb. Even if Stewart was the starting catcher, I don’t think the difference between him and a full season of Martin would be as great as the difference between Ichiro over Dickerson.

    As for Suzuki – he’s due $6.5 mil this year to serve as the back up catcher to Ramos in Washington – that’s a lot of money for a BUC and so Washington might consider moving him (for say Cervelli and a low level prospect). As for what kind of improvement he would be – I think that he would, at the very least, be as good as Martin – probably better. His offense did start to rebound once he got out of Oakland.

  113. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    I can’t believe i am seeing people talking about 2 year contracts for Russell Martin. The guy was hitting undr .200 for 90% of the season. Sure e hit 21 homeruns and most of them were solo shots (57 rbis?) . Sorry but i think Cervelli can hit above .200 and bring in 40 or so RBIs at the bottom of the lineup and do it for a lot less money.

  114. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:05 pm

    ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    I can’t believe i am seeing people talking about 2 year contracts for Russell Martin. The guy was hitting undr .200 for 90% of the season. Sure e hit 21 homeruns and most of them were solo shots (57 rbis?) . Sorry but i think Cervelli can hit above .200 and bring in 40 or so RBIs at the bottom of the lineup and do it for a lot less money.
    —————–

    agree 100%

  115. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    “You would rather have a 30 year old career minor leaguer in RF over Ichiro?”

    Yes. Or rather, I’d rather have Martin and Dickerson over Stewart and Ichiro. The Ichiro signing will be a big mistake. I think Ichiro is overrated (at this point) and Dickerson underrated.

    Wow, I can’t see the Yanks paying that kind of money for Suzuki. And offensively he isn’t as good as Martin.

  116. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    The ridiculous notion that a .200 hitter with only ok defensive stats deserves 10M/year is assinine.

  117. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: Stay tuned for new A-Rod news from @ESPNNYYankees and me shortly.

    The dynamic duo

  118. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    For the most part, the people who are ripping the Yankees for letting Martin go were also clamoring for them to replace Martin all of last year.

    The Yankees in 2013 are going to be a younger team; and possibly a better team.

    They lost Swisher – that’s the only positive player who is gone and it’s highly possible that while Ichiro won’t match the power numbers, he’ll be just as productive in other areas.

    The Yankees aren’t going to hit as many homers as they did last year; they’re going to be a different style of team.

  119. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Yes. Or rather, I’d rather have Martin and Dickerson over Stewart and Ichiro. The Ichiro signing will be a big mistake. I think Ichiro is overrated (at this point) and Dickerson underrated.

    ____

    Ichiro hit over .300 with the Yankees last year.
    Martin hit under .200.
    Dickerson may be underrated but we also never saw him play everyday.
    Stewart is NOT going to be the starting catcher so i dont know why you compare him in the situation.

  120. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    ac1 says:
    January 31, 2013 at 4:06 pm
    The ridiculous notion that a .200 hitter with only ok defensive stats deserves 10M/year is assinine.

    You left out that he hit 21 homers and that the pitching staff has thrown pretty darn well to him the last couple of years

  121. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    “Stay tuned for new A-Rod news”

    There’s going to be new news? Cool!

  122. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    “Stewart is NOT going to be the starting catcher so i dont know why you compare him in the situation”

    He isn’t? You like Cervelli better I guess. Two peas in a pod.

  123. pat January 31st, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Rodriguez has not yet been contacted by MLB, according to a source. He also has not heard from Yankees management since the report broke Tuesday.

    Assuming his hip heals as planned, another source said Thursday, Rodriguez will not retire, has no interest in a discounted buyout on the $114 million he is owed over the next five years and, if it came to it, likely would not approve a trade away from the Yankees.

    While he could face a 50-game suspension if MLB determines the recent reports are accurate, Rodriguez has told friends he will return to the Yankees, and that he will not leave the game under these circumstances.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/s.....13665.html

  124. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    The Yanks rotation needs to be their strength in 2013….failing to re-sign the catcher they are used to for a reasonable amount and replacing him with essentially nothing is risky.

    I got on Martin a lot last year….and I wasn’t his biggest fan….but he’s quite a but better than Stewie and Cervelli

  125. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    The Yankees aren’t going to hit as many homers as they did last year; they’re going to be a different style of team.
    __

    Ichiro, Gardner, and Nunez will bring speed to a lineup that was base to base and homerun dependent last year.

  126. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    “You would rather have a 30 year old career minor leaguer in RF over Ichiro?”

    Yes. Or rather, I’d rather have Martin and Dickerson over Stewart and Ichiro. The Ichiro signing will be a big mistake. I think Ichiro is overrated (at this point) and Dickerson underrated.

    Wow, I can’t see the Yanks paying that kind of money for Suzuki. And offensively he isn’t as good as Martin.
    —————-

    They were willing to pay that much money for Martin and Suzuki is the same as Martin; except younger.

    Dickerson’s not underrated. Dickerson is exactly what he is rated as – a AAAA player who possibly, POSSIBLY could be in the mix as a fourth OF for some team but is more likely to spend his career in AAA serving as injury insurance.

  127. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    “The Yankees aren’t going to hit as many homers as they did last year; they’re going to be a different style of team.”

    Yeah, a lower scoring style of team unfortunately.

  128. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    @KenDavidoff: Travis Hafner’s salary with the #Yankees is in the neighborhood of $2 million guaranteed.

  129. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    “Ichiro, Gardner, and Nunez will bring speed to a lineup that was base to base and homerun dependent last year.”

    They needed balance…they didnt need to give up one thing in favor of another

  130. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    “The Yankees aren’t going to hit as many homers as they did last year; they’re going to be a different style of team.”

    Yeah, a lower scoring style of team unfortunately.
    ———————-

    A healthy Travis Hafner easily makes up for the losses of both Ibanez and Martin.

  131. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Yeah, a lower scoring style of team unfortunately.
    ____

    Not necessarily

  132. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    “Assuming his hip heals as planned, another source said Thursday, Rodriguez will not retire, has no interest in a discounted buyout on the $114 million he is owed over the next five years and, if it came to it, likely would not approve a trade away from the Yankees.”

    This is why they are threatening to try to void his contract….they want him to change his mind about this stuff

  133. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Chad needs to get his cred from the national media.

  134. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    “Ichiro, Gardner, and Nunez will bring speed to a lineup that was base to base and homerun dependent last year.”

    They needed balance…they didnt need to give up one thing in favor of another
    ———–

    Well they kind of did unless MLB wanted to change the rules to allow the Yankees to have a 15 man lineup.

    To get more speed and OB guys in the lineup they needed to delete other guys.

  135. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Chip, Suziki put up an OPS of .669, .686 and .605 the last three years. He isn’t going to help. And I’m glad you like Ichiro. That will get you through the winter at least.

  136. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Jerkface says:
    January 31, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    Chad needs to get his cred from the national media.

    I agree …he broke this thing

  137. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    “A healthy Travis Hafner easily makes up for the losses of both Ibanez and Martin.”

    He’s going to stay healthy, be a platoon DH and hit 40 HRs? Cool!

  138. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    “For the most part, the people who are ripping the Yankees for letting Martin go were also clamoring for them to replace Martin all of last year.”

    Yes, it would have been nice to replace Martin, but they haven’t.

    And it would have been nice not to commit any new money for 2014, but they did.

    So this isn’t really about Martin per se, it’s about Martin or Ichiro. Given their really big respective age difference, and the ease of replacement, I would opt for Martin.

    The far better of two bad choices.

  139. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    pat January 31st, 2013 at 4:10 pm

    Rodriguez has not yet been contacted by MLB, according to a source. He also has not heard from Yankees management since the report broke Tuesday.

    Assuming his hip heals as planned, another source said Thursday, Rodriguez will not retire, has no interest in a discounted buyout on the $114 million he is owed over the next five years and, if it came to it, likely would not approve a trade away from the Yankees.

    While he could face a 50-game suspension if MLB determines the recent reports are accurate, Rodriguez has told friends he will return to the Yankees, and that he will not leave the game under these circumstances.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/s…..13665.html

    ————————-

    Alex’s camp pushing back..

    And hooray Chad!! Someone yell at Heyman for trying to once again pretend he broke a story.

  140. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    This is why they are threatening to try to void his contract….they want him to change his mind about this stuff
    ____

    They want him to know he isn’t welcome here anymore…..
    If he insists on staying on, I would treat him no better than a rookie.
    Make him become a utility guy, sit him vs. righties etc…
    I mean we are getting less from him than a rookie at this point anyway.
    He wants his big money, well he will have to suffer through the next five seasons.
    It’s petty but whatever.

  141. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    “To get more speed and OB guys in the lineup they needed to delete other guys.”

    Not if said players are the same person…they needed better overall hitters ….not replacing one flawed hitter with another type of flawed hitter …..what Im saying is easier said than done of course…., but the offense is worse than a year ago without any question in my mind

  142. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    “Assuming his hip heals as planned, another source said Thursday, Rodriguez will not retire, has no interest in a discounted buyout on the $114 million he is owed over the next five years and, if it came to it, likely would not approve a trade away from the Yankees.”

    As of this moment, he has all the leverage.

  143. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Well they kind of did unless MLB wanted to change the rules to allow the Yankees to have a 15 man lineup.

    To get more speed and OB guys in the lineup they needed to delete other guys.

    They could have got guys to replace the bad players who brought more to the table. Instead they went in an opposite extreme direction that will also be prone to massive failure.

  144. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    The Yanks have currently lost: Swisher, Martin, Arod, Ibanez and Chavez from the lineup and will replace them with Gardner, Youk , Hafner, and nobody at carter…..it’s a net loss most likely

  145. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Chip, Suziki put up an OPS of .669, .686 and .605 the last three years. He isn’t going to help. And I’m glad you like Ichiro. That will get you through the winter at least.
    —————–

    Once he got out of Oakland Kurt hit .267 with a .321 OBP and .725 OPS – all of which are vastly better than Martin’s numbers.

    Martin’s OPS’s prior to joining the Yankees were just as bad as Kurt’s in Oakland so what is there that says Suzuki wouldn’t enjoy the same bounce moving to Yankee Stadium that Russell got?

    Is Ichiro the same guy he was 5 years ago? Nope. But he’s much much much better than Chris Dickerson could ever hope to be.

  146. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    As of this moment, he has all the leverage.

    ___

    Like i said, if he wants to stick around, it will be a difficult 5 years for him and a bad way to end a career… But if thats what he wants, he has the ability to do it.

  147. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    “To get more speed and OB guys in the lineup they needed to delete other guys.”

    Not if said players are the same person…they needed better overall hitters ….not replacing one flawed hitter with another type of flawed hitter …..what Im saying is easier said than done of course…., but the offense is worse than a year ago without any question in my mind
    ————–

    Much easier said than done considering a light free agent market and the fact that the organization’s top prospects are all in the low minors.

  148. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    “it’s a net loss most likely”

    It’s a net loss almost certainly. And don’t forget to add in the uncertainty over ARod, and Jeter too for that matter.

  149. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    I really wish they could have kept Chavez….unless it was just his choice to go to the Dbacks it doesn’t make much sense that they let him go…..actually now that they have Prado it’s hard to see when Chavy will even play there

  150. pat January 31st, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    When informed of Rodriguez’ comments, Yankees GM Brian Cashman, who has avoided commenting publicly on Rodriguez’s latest incident, responded with one word: “Good.”

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....um=twitter

  151. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    The Yanks have currently lost: Swisher, Martin, Arod, Ibanez and Chavez from the lineup and will replace them with Gardner, Youk , Hafner, and nobody at carter…..it’s a net loss most likely
    ____

    probably a net loss on paper.
    Swisher is the toughest one to replace (hit for decent average and for power and had good OBP). Still say we lose power obviously but believe we will still put up 800 runs.

  152. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “Much easier said than done considering a light free agent market and the fact that the organization’s top prospects are all in the low minors.”

    I think pat linked an article last night that the Yankees are still willing to spend; nothing has changed.

    Yet, in recent years, they passed on Chapman, Cespedes, Soler, Darvish, Hamilton.

    So I guess it’s also much easier saying that you will spend money than doing it.

  153. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “It’s a net loss almost certainly. And don’t forget to add in the uncertainty over ARod, and Jeter too for that matter.”

    Jeter is the man but he is likely to regress from his 2012 at 39 coming off ankle surgery…..they have to hope Tex and Grandy can bounce back a bit and make up for that

  154. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    “Is Ichiro the same guy he was 5 years ago? Nope. But he’s much much much better than Chris Dickerson could ever hope to be.”

    That was true, but I’m not so sure any more. He’s got to hit .325, and I’m not hopeful.

    “Once he got out of Oakland Kurt hit .267 with a .321 OBP and .725 OPS – all of which are vastly better than Martin’s numbers. ”

    On limited PAs. And Suzuki’s .725 OPS (on 164 PAs) is insignificantly better than Martin’s .713 OPS, on 485 PAs.

  155. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: Sources on A-Rod: I’m not going anywhere http://t.co/HEWNMJms No plans to retire.

  156. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:27 pm

    It’s a net loss almost certainly. And don’t forget to add in the uncertainty over ARod, and Jeter too for that matter.
    ____

    Im pretty confident Youkilis can hit .277/17/59 or whatever ARod put up last year.
    I also think Jeter will be fine.
    He is a hitter that depends on staying back and hitting opposite field first. Will he hit .320, probably not. Will be hit .290-.300, likely.

    Will gardner get on base more than anyone we had last year? YES Meaning Cano, Tex and Granderson will have one more guy to bring in when they homer instead of the parade of solo homeruns we had last year.

  157. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “It’s a net loss almost certainly. And don’t forget to add in the uncertainty over ARod, and Jeter too for that matter.”

    Jeter is the man but he is likely to regress from his 2012 at 39 coming off ankle surgery…..they have to hope Tex and Grandy can bounce back a bit and make up for that

    ——————–

    If Jeter ends up being one of their three best players again this season it will be simultaneously awesome and awful for the Yankees.

  158. Giuseppe Franco January 31st, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    As of this writing, I don’t see how anyone can think the 2013 Yanks will be a better team than the 2012 Yanks.

  159. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    Chavez chose to go to Arizona. The Yankees can say they were never in it all they want. If they had a hope of signing him again, they would have. AZ is where Chavez lives….

  160. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    I really wish they could have kept Chavez….unless it was just his choice to go to the Dbacks it doesn’t make much sense that they let him go…..actually now that they have Prado it’s hard to see when Chavy will even play there
    ——————-

    Chavez did say he wanted to go to Arizona where he lives during the winter.

  161. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    “As of this writing, I don’t see how anyone can think the 2013 Yanks will be a better team than the 2012 Yanks.”

    Every single question mark would have to be answered positively, which probably means the clock has to be moved back for older guys, and moved forward for younger guys.

  162. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    “As of this writing, I don’t see how anyone can think the 2013 Yanks will be a better team than the 2012 Yanks.”

    You mean if they think with their heads and not their hearts.

  163. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    @AndrewMarchand: Sources on A-Rod: I’m not going anywhere http://t.co/HEWNMJms No plans to retire.
    ——————

    Of course not – why would he volunteer to walk away from $114 million?

    That does not mean however that he will ever play for the Yankees again.

  164. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    As of this writing, I don’t see how anyone can think the 2013 Yanks will be a better team than the 2012 Yanks.

    ___

    Guess we will have to wait and see.
    I say they still make the playoffs because Baltimore will NOT win 95 games, Boston will suck and Toronto will continue to be that team thats real good on paper (Miami 2012).
    Yankees will make the playoffs and i dont see how they could possibly be any worse in 2013 than they were vs. Detroit in ALCS.

  165. Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    A-Rod is getting his $114 one way or another. It only hurts the Yankees if he is wearing another uniform.

  166. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    Giuseppe Franco says:
    January 31, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    As of this writing, I don’t see how anyone can think the 2013 Yanks will be a better team than the 2012 Yanks.

    They will really have to pitch well and 2009 Tex will have to awaken from his slumber iMO

  167. Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    That does not mean however that he will ever play for the Yankees again.

    ———————–

    In the Yahoo article it also says he has no plans to accept a trade lol.. Arod is not falling on his sword for the Yankees.

  168. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    “As of this writing, I don’t see how anyone can think the 2013 Yanks will be a better team than the 2012 Yanks.”

    Every single question mark would have to be answered positively, which probably means the clock has to be moved back for older guys, and moved forward for younger guys.
    —————————

    Because last year went perfectly for the Yankees? They played the season without Gardner, got no production from Alex, had to play Ibanez and Smiley in the OF a ton and got little from behind the plate, down year from Cano (in terms of RISP), couldn’t hit a lefty to save their lives, and got spotty production from Tex.

    In the post season the only two guys we had any confidence in were Jeter and Ichiro.

  169. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    I also expect MONSTER years from Cano (better than 2012 even) and Hughes (walk year, making the pitching better). WIll we win 95 games, probably not. Will we need to win 95 games, probably not.

  170. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    As I’ve said….I don’t think the Yankees are talking about trying to void Arods contract because they think they can do it…..I think they are doing it tonteyband force him to either accept a buy out or preferably accept a trade to another team if Cashman can find a taker…..maybe Jack Z would let him come full circle in Seattle ….he’s collecting guys that can’t play defense

  171. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Shame Spencer January 31st, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    That does not mean however that he will ever play for the Yankees again.

    ———————–

    In the Yahoo article it also says he has no plans to accept a trade lol.. Arod is not falling on his sword for the Yankees.
    —–

    A) he may not physically be able to play
    B) The Yankees may decide his diminished production is not worth the annoyance and just release him.

  172. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    “Because last year went perfectly for the Yankees?”

    Well this year had better go perfectly, because the 2013 version has fewer resources to replace significant injuries than the 2012 team had.

  173. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    The notion of voiding ARod’s contract is laughable.

  174. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Well this year had better go perfectly, because the 2013 version has fewer resources to replace significant injuries than the 2012 team had.

    And the 2013 team is relying on a lot of unlikely bounce back & upside. More so than 2012. Put it this way, if 2013 has a similar amount of busting & injuries as 2012, they’re boned.

  175. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    “In the Yahoo article it also says he has no plans to accept a trade lol.. Arod is not falling on his sword for the Yankees.”

    Yanks are trying to change his mind on that with all this void his contract talk. It would be best for both parties to part ways at this point if Cash can find somebody to take him (see Burnett AJ). That kinda worked out good for him

  176. ac1 January 31st, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Because last year went perfectly for the Yankees? They played the season without Gardner, got no production from Alex, had to play Ibanez and Smiley in the OF a ton and got little from behind the plate, down year from Cano (in terms of RISP), couldn’t hit a lefty to save their lives, and got spotty production from Tex.
    _______

    Granderson hit .225. Imagine his numbers if he hit .250 or people actually got on base in front of him?

    I’m calling Cano hitting .320 this year with 38 HRs an 110 RBIs in his walk year.

    I’m calling Hughes to have a great season in his FA year.

    I’m calling Granderson to hit better than .225.

    I think if given the chance, Nunez has a pretty good year offensively too as the Rh DH / SS back up.

    Gardner with a .370 OBP, a full year of Yankee Ichiro (like 1/2 of 2012.)

  177. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    @eboland11: No one, including anyone with the Yankees, is or was under the impression A-Rod was going to retire. He’s owed $114 million

  178. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    No one is strong language considering there have probably been a dozen articles talking about + thousands of fans suggesting it will happen

  179. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    “Because last year went perfectly for the Yankees?”

    Well this year had better go perfectly, because the 2013 version has fewer resources to replace significant injuries than the 2012 team had.
    ————–

    What are you talking about?

    In terms of depth the Yankees lost Eric Chavez and Raf Soriano. If Brett Gardner goes down – maybe the Yankees have to dip into their minor league system for a replacement instead of shuffling Raul Ibanez into the OF – oh the horror – the Yankees are doing what people on this site have been begging them to do; creating potential opportunities for young players.

    You want the Yankees to develop players, but you also want them to have a stacked team that includes can’t miss depth? Congratulations – you now understand the same lunacy that is going on in the Yankee front office where they want to develop young players, but don’t actually want to play any of them.

  180. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Well this year had better go perfectly, because the 2013 version has fewer resources to replace significant injuries than the 2012 team had.

    And the 2013 team is relying on a lot of unlikely bounce back & upside. More so than 2012. Put it this way, if 2013 has a similar amount of busting & injuries as 2012, they’re boned.
    ————–

    Except that Swisher and Soriano were the only guys the Yankees lost this offseason who were any good last year. In fact, they deleted their two WORST regulars from last year’s lineup.

  181. Giuseppe Franco January 31st, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Rich in NJ January 31st, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    “As of this writing, I don’t see how anyone can think the 2013 Yanks will be a better team than the 2012 Yanks.”

    Every single question mark would have to be answered positively, which probably means the clock has to be moved back for older guys, and moved forward for younger guys.

    ——–

    Indeed.

    Perhaps a full and healthy season out of Mo, Pettitte, and Gardner in addition to Sabathia returning to form would help a great deal. But the loss of Swisher and the inability to replace his production is going to hurt them much more than his detractors think.

    The games aren’t played on paper, of course, but the roster as it stands right now will not likely be as productive as the 2012 roster.

  182. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Granderson actually had a worse OPs + in 2009 and 2010 than in 2012….2012 is what he is pretty much

  183. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    “”What are you talking about?”

    Well, I’m talking about last year’s bench, which started 2012 with Chavez, Ibanez and Jones. This year, Hafner and Russ Canzler. And a pitching staff deeper in relievers and starters.

  184. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    “Except that Swisher and Soriano were the only guys the Yankees lost this offseason who were any good last year.”

    Ibanez was pretty useful last year. And the negative difference between Martin and Stewart/Cervelli will be significant. And Swisher is a huge loss.

  185. Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Chip,

    Everyones a year older in 2013. Swisher was actually very good in the regular season. The current catching situation is worse than Martin+one of the remaining catchers, and the bench was significantly deeper.

    2013 features: Half a season or less of A-rod, Youkilis trying to bounce back, Hafner trying to bounce back, Both of the aforementioned being huge injury risks, A very old Ichiro, Jeter coming off major injury, the primary starting pitchers all being older and ancient, the closer being older and ancient, 2 of the primary bats being older and on the decline.

    There is one guy who can even be remotely counted on to be better than last year and that is Cano, and even that is going against age trend.

  186. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    “You want the Yankees to develop players, but you also want them to have a stacked team that includes can’t miss depth? ”

    Ah, the LoHud Yankee blog fallacy makes a quick appearance.

    Actually, I want them to trade Cano, Sabathia and Granderson (thereby unstacking the team for sure). But I do want them to develop players.

  187. blake January 31st, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    @DKnobler: Nationals, Rangers very concerned about possible suspensions for Gio Gonzalez, Nelson Cruz. What can they do? http://t.co/2fx1aZtC

  188. blake January 31st, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    “Actually, I want them to trade Cano, Sabathia and Granderson (thereby unstacking the team for sure). But I do want them to develop players.”

    After seeing what Greinke cost and given the yanks track record of developing pitching ….I def do not want them to trade CC

  189. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    I don’t see how players get suspended based on the New Times story, or an MLB investigation for that matter. Remember, MLB doesn’t have subpoena power.

  190. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    “After seeing what Greinke cost and given the yanks track record of developing pitching ….I def do not want them to trade CC”

    You can’t make omelets without breaking eggs. And IMO, the Yank egg is broken anyway. CC won’t be useful by the time the team can be restructured, so why not trade him for a big haul?

  191. Bronx Jeers January 31st, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    @DKnobler: Nationals, Rangers very concerned about possible suspensions for Gio Gonzalez, Nelson Cruz

    —————————

    Meanwhile we’re all praying for a lifetime ban for our guy. :lol:

  192. blake January 31st, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    “You can’t make omelets without breaking eggs. And IMO, the Yank egg is broken anyway. CC won’t be useful by the time the team can be restructured, so why not trade him for a big haul?”

    Eh I think CC is gonna be useful for awhile still…I think he will age well

  193. blake January 31st, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    “Meanwhile we’re all praying for a lifetime ban for our guy. ”

    :)

  194. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    “Eh I think CC is gonna be useful for awhile still…I think he will age well”

    I think CC will be a good – maybe not top 5 or 10 though – pitcher for a number of years. However, I’m more pessimistic than you I guess on the team’s long run prospects given current (apparent) policies.

  195. Chip January 31st, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Jerkface January 31st, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Chip,

    Everyones a year older in 2013.
    ———————–

    Really? Is that how linear time works?

  196. CompassRosy January 31st, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    “maybe Jack Z would let him come full circle in Seattle …”

    ===

    wha cha smokin’ there, blake?

    ;)

  197. blake January 31st, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    @eboland11: Among Yankees ST invites: prospects Slade Heathcott, Cito Culver, Tyler Austin and C Gary Sanchez.

  198. blake January 31st, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    “wha cha smokin’ there, blake?”

    Jack Z sold it to me… Good stuff

  199. blake January 31st, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    “I think CC will be a good – maybe not top 5 or 10 though – pitcher for a number of years. However, I’m more pessimistic than you I guess on the team’s long run prospects given current (apparent) policies.”

    Well I’m assuming they will either come to their senses or sell at some point

  200. Wave Your Hat January 31st, 2013 at 5:29 pm

    “Well I’m assuming they will either come to their senses or sell at some point”

    I hope so but the clock is ticking on Cano and Granderson.

  201. blake January 31st, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    @mikeaxisa: No Spring Training invite for Mason Williams.

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