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Hafner signing official; Canzler designated

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The Travis Hafner signing is official, and to make room on the 40-man roster, the Yankees have designated Russ Canzler for assignment. Here’s the announcement.

The New York Yankees today announced they signed designated hitter Travis Hafner to a one-year Major League contract.

Hafner, 35, is a career .278 (1054-for-3796) batter with 588 runs, 242 doubles, 201 home runs and 694 RBI in 1,101 games over 11 seasons with Texas (2002) and Cleveland (2003-12). Among current active American Leaguers, he ranks sixth with a .381 career on-base percentage and an average of 7.92 plate appearances per walk.

He appeared in 66 games with Cleveland in 2012, batting .228 (50-for-219) with six doubles, 12 home runs and 34 RBI, also drawing 32 walks. The left-handed batter hit .241 (38-for-158) with eight home runs off right-handed pitchers. After batting .295 (18-for-61) in April, Hafner endured two stints on the disabled list from May 24–July 4 (underwent right knee surgery) and August 6–September 19 (lower back inflammation).

Hafner is tied for fourth among active players with 12 grand slams. He owns a .286 lifetime average against AL East pitching, his highest against any AL division.

Originally selected by the Texas Rangers in the 31st round of the 1996 First-Year Player Draft, Hafner was acquired by Cleveland in December 2002 in exchange for Einar Diaz and Ryan Drese. He owns the Indians’ all-time club record among designated hitters for home runs (200) and RBI (688).

In order to make room on the 40-man roster, OF Russ Canzler was designated for assignment.

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124 Responses to “Hafner signing official; Canzler designated”

  1. Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Canzler designated? But then who is going to be the RH DH :(

  2. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    blake February 1st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Mike Greenberg ?@Espngreeny
    ARod. Finished. It’s all about the money now. You won’t see him on the field again. #Yankees

    ———————-

    This makes no sense to me.. they can keep saying it but no one can explain how to make that really happen.

  3. Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Canzler was an interesting pickup at the time, its a shame the Yankees designated him instead of someone like Eppley.

  4. Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    “It wouldn’t help them at all. The best case scenario for the Yankees is A-rod getting off scot free.”

    Are you sure? I was just reading the section of the Basic Agreement dealing with the “Competitive Balance Tax” and the definition of “Salary” is compensation “paid”. Compensation isn’t paid during a suspension period. But the Yanks would only get 20% of the savings as relief against the yearly cap once it is averaged over the remaining 5 years of the contract.

  5. Travelbug83 February 1st, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    I listen to Greenberg every morning on my way to work and every morning I ask myself why. I am sorry to be so blatant, but most times he seems just outright dumb. I wouldn’t take what he says too seriously.

  6. Alvaro Espinosa February 1st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    My bet: Hafner goes on the DL before the end of April, plays less than 20 games on the season.

    Alvaro

  7. ac1 February 1st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    Canzler designated? But then who is going to be the RH DH

    ___

    Nunez hopefully.

  8. mick February 1st, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    we had too many rhdh options, now it’s down to rivera, nunez and diaz.
    rivera and diaz will battle it out for BUOF/DH.

  9. austinmac February 1st, 2013 at 4:26 pm

    That is a veritable battle of the right handed titans. Exciting times.

  10. Against All Odds February 1st, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 4:18 pm
    blake February 1st, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    Mike Greenberg ?@Espngreeny
    ARod. Finished. It’s all about the money now. You won’t see him on the field again. #Yankees

    ———————-

    This makes no sense to me.

    ———————-

    It’s the easiest thing to say and it gets the most attention.

  11. mick February 1st, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    nix and nunez BUIF
    rivera or diaz BUOF
    2 C’s, 4 IF, 3 OF
    hafner LHDH

    we have no BU1B……Youk!

  12. Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    “nix and nunez BUIF
    rivera or diaz BUOF
    2 C’s, 4 IF, 3 OF”

    I just lost my lunch.

  13. austinmac February 1st, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Wave,

    I do believe a suspension helps with the cap for the 50 game prorated salary.

  14. Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Wave,

    As the AAV of a contract is assigned at the time of signing, and there are no provisions which specifically interact with the CBT in the JDA I don’t think it would be re-calculated.

  15. igotid88 February 1st, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    I want A-Rod to get his 3,000 hita already. Should’ve had it a year and a half ago.

  16. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    austinmac February 1st, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Wave,

    I do believe a suspension helps with the cap for the 50 game prorated salary.

    —————–

    No I think it just helps with the real dollars paid out but not with the cap hit.

    The only thing that would get them out of the cap hit is Arod retiring and giving it all up. That’s pretty much it.

  17. Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    The AAV is calculated using ‘Base Salary’ which is this:

    (7) “Base Salary” shall mean the amount set out in paragraph 2
    of a Uniform Player’s Contract for a given championship season or
    any amount included in a Special Covenant in lieu of inclusion in
    paragraph 2.

    So dont think a suspension matters

  18. Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    So unless Bud Selig is using white out on paragraph 2, the Yankees will be stuck with the imaginary bill.

  19. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    I guess if they trade him they can lower the AAV hit, but they’d probably have to eat most of the salary to trade him anyway..

    If they buy him out the LT hit stays the same.

  20. mick February 1st, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    between diaz and rivera its mustelliars job to win.

  21. igotid88 February 1st, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    his

  22. austinmac February 1st, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    I vote white out. It would be stupid to be responsible for a salary you are not responsible for. It always seems to always screw the Yankees.

    The Yankees real choice is either to play or pay him not to play. I think he plays if he physically can, and I think he will do all he can(maybe legally) to play.

  23. Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    The way I read Article XXIII of the Basic Agreement, “Salary” for any given year is the average salary over the term of the contract, plus bonuses. It doesn’t say anything about salary not paid during suspensions. If the unpaid salary were treated like bonuses, then it would all constitute relief against the cap in the year the suspension occurred. But if it were treated like salary, then it would be averaged.

    I don’t see the answer within the Basic Agreement, but I haven’t read it all.

  24. Bronx Jeers February 1st, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Ok so apparently MLB needs a preponderance of evidence for the just cause suspension. Which is less than “clear and convincing”

    I say they hold an event where they give away autographed memorabilia in exchange for evidence.

  25. Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Wave,

    Did you read what I posted above?

    A Uniform Player’s Contract with a term of more than one (1)
    championship season (“Multi-Year Contract”) shall be deemed to
    have a Salary in each Guaranteed Year equal to the “Average Annual
    Value” of the Contract (plus any bonuses subsequently included by
    operation of Section E(4) below). “Average Annual Value” shall be
    calculated as follows: the sum of (a) the Base Salary in each Guar-anteed Year plus (b) any portion of a Signing Bonus (or any other
    payment that this Article deems to be a Signing Bonus) attributed to
    a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(3) below plus (c)
    any deferred compensation or annuity compensation costs attributed
    to a Guaranteed Year in accordance with Section E(6) below shall
    be divided by the number of Guaranteed Years.

    For a multi-year contract ‘Salary’ becomes ‘Average Annual Value’ which is calculated with ‘Base Salary’ not ‘Salary’, as Salary has been subsumed by the AAV calculation.

  26. austinmac February 1st, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    AROD’s representatives response to a buy out offer would be the present value of $114M. The real choices are pay him or litigate with him to find a way out.

  27. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    It would be stupid to be responsible for a salary you are not responsible for.

    ——————-

    We’re 100% responsible for it, unfortunately.

  28. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    We could buy him out for 10 cents on the dollar… the AAV hit still counts, I believe.

  29. Chad Jennings February 1st, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Just to point out something: The Yankees were able to claim Canzler, which means most teams passed on him the last time he was on waivers. The landscape might have changed for some teams, but there’s at least some reason to think Canzler could slip through waivers this time. There really wasn’t an easy-to-lose option for opening a 40-man spot.

  30. Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Just to point out something: The Yankees were able to claim Canzler, which means most teams passed on him the last time he was on waivers. The landscape might have changed for some teams, but there’s at least some reason to think Canzler could slip through waivers this time. There really wasn’t an easy-to-lose option for opening a 40-man spot.

    Eppley!

    Though I point out that Canzler made it to the Yankees from Cleveland, for the Yankees to keep Canzler he has to also make it through the NL (which he never got a chance to pass through before)

  31. Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Jerkface-

    I missed your comment somehow, but you are right.

    Unless there’s another provision somewhere, there’s no relief. That makes sense given the purpose of the competitive balance tax is to hold down salaries.

  32. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    Canzler was an interesting pickup at the time, its a shame the Yankees designated him instead of someone like Eppley.
    —————————-

    Agreed. Granted he hasn’t shown much yet, but he’s a 26 yr old with the ability to play all four corners.

    Saw this one coming though when Brian Cashman in his ESPN.com chat was asked about Canzler and said “if we’re able to keep him…”

  33. Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Oh gosh, to think the Yanks might lose Canzler.

    I can’t believe it has come to this.

  34. hman23 February 1st, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Cashman signs a 35 year old left-handed former power hitter who batted .228 last year?

    Sounds about right.

    (sigh)

  35. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Chad Jennings February 1st, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Just to point out something: The Yankees were able to claim Canzler, which means most teams passed on him the last time he was on waivers. The landscape might have changed for some teams, but there’s at least some reason to think Canzler could slip through waivers this time. There really wasn’t an easy-to-lose option for opening a 40-man spot.
    ——————

    A-Rod :-)

  36. mick February 1st, 2013 at 4:59 pm

    Cashman signs a 35 year old left-handed former power hitter who batted .228 last year?

    Sounds about right.

    (sigh)
    ==================
    Is DeJesus still around?

  37. charlestonchew February 1st, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    OK. This is kind of ridiculous.

    http://www.baseball-reference......000—

    Ronnier Mustelier has kind of ridiculous stats. Why aren’t we considering him more seriously to play on the team next year as a RH bat, DH and OF?

  38. blake February 1st, 2013 at 5:06 pm

    Alex will play again….. I just don’t think it’ll be with the Yankees

  39. Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Ronnier Mustelier has kind of ridiculous stats. Why aren’t we considering him more seriously to play on the team next year as a RH bat, DH and OF?

    He should get consideration, but lack of consideration will be due to his advanced age and lack of defensive prowess.

    I hope he gets a lot of time in spring.

  40. charlestonchew February 1st, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Like, seriously Those Mustelier AA/AAA numbers are impressive. And he doesn’t really strike out that much… good OBP. Clearly takes his walks. Hits doubles, couple triples, a good chunk of HRs. I know that doesn’t always translate to MLB (shelley duncan, anyone?). But nonetheless, the guy is clearly talented and should be given a chance to play on this team out of Spring Training.

  41. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Unless they can void his contract, I hope A-Rod does play for the Yankees again, otherwise, the cap mess gets a lot worse.

  42. charlestonchew February 1st, 2013 at 5:11 pm

    He could easily be a RH DH. All reports I’m reading put him as a very good and professional hitter. He has pop and he knows how to put the bat on the ball. I expect he’ll get some time in the Spring to prove he’s a better fit than the Matt Diaz, Rivera, and Canzler crowd (assuming we have Canzler still).

  43. jacksquat February 1st, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Mustelier has to have more defensive prowess than Juan Rivera.

  44. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Ronnier Mustelier has kind of ridiculous stats. Why aren’t we considering him more seriously to play on the team next year as a RH bat, DH and OF?

    He should get consideration, but lack of consideration will be due to his advanced age and lack of defensive prowess.

    I hope he gets a lot of time in spring.
    —————-

    He could be a nice guy to have on the bench. His defense isn’t good – but he can play all over the field which, on a 3 man bench (outside of BUC) is a major plus.

  45. Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    ARod will be better than anyone they’ll replace him with.

  46. theREALkevin February 1st, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    Charleston,

    It appears as though the Yankees don’t have much belief at all that Mustelier is a legit big leaguer, despite his minor league success. Personally I haven’t seen him play, but I am a bit curious as to why they feel the way they do about him.

  47. Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Mustelier has to have more defensive prowess than Juan Rivera.

    No doubt. Rivera is guy that should not be in the field.

  48. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 5:14 pm

    Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    ARod will be better than anyone they’ll replace him with.
    ————–

    False – I think Youk will be better than Alex.

  49. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Youk is a platoon hitter, Chip. When A-Rod got hit on the hand he was raking. They have identified his physical issue and he is a much, much better athlete than Youkilis, who may not even be able to play 3B passably anymore.

  50. jacksquat February 1st, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    In this video you can see Mustelier running (the bases) a litte bit.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIvBPv5YLXM

  51. Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    “False – I think Youk will be better than Alex.”

    Youk is not Alex’s replacement, since they are both currently on the team.

    If Youk counts against Alex, then there is a big sucking wound where Swisher and Chavez used to be.

  52. Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    And, when Youk inevitably gets hurt, I guess we will be treated to Nixy.

  53. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Ideally I guess you’d still be paying Arod and have a cheap platoon option..

    Having Youk cost you $12 million and Arod costing $27.5 million is hardly efficient and won’t work for next season..

    I could see how one would think paying Alex $20 million to play somewhere else and someone else $10-15 to play 3B for us wouldn’t be a bad option… but I’d like that option better for the old Yankees, not this JLo version.

  54. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 5:24 pm

    And, when Youk inevitably gets hurt, I guess we will be treated to Nixy.

    ——————–

    I really hope they try Adams or Mustellier over Nix…. but I’m afraid you might be right.

  55. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 5:40 pm

    Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Youk is a platoon hitter, Chip. When A-Rod got hit on the hand he was raking. They have identified his physical issue and he is a much, much better athlete than Youkilis, who may not even be able to play 3B passably anymore.
    —————————

    When A-Rod got hit on the hand he was also doing $12,000 worth of steroids so you’ll have to forgive me if I’m not sold on the production of a 38-year old juicer with two bad hips.

  56. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    If the Yankees are going to have 22.8 or so million a year for 5 yeaes of dead money on their books, while trying effectively spend $170m or so, while allocating anywhere from 75 to 100 million to Cano, CC, Tex, and possibly Jeter (depending on whether or not Jeter exercises his 2014 or decides to negotiate a new deal), with a farm system that has few, if any, ML ready impact players, this team is going to have a tough time winning over the next few years.

  57. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    Wave Your Hat February 1st, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    “False – I think Youk will be better than Alex.”

    Youk is not Alex’s replacement, since they are both currently on the team.

    If Youk counts against Alex, then there is a big sucking wound where Swisher and Chavez used to be.
    ————————–

    Ichiro won’t hit for Swisher’s power but he’ll be very good.

    Losing Chavez hurts the bench, no doubt about it.

    But replacing Ibanez with Hafner is a huge plus and we don’t know what the catching situation will look like, but I feel safe in assuming that it will be better than a .300 OBP

  58. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    You want to talk about what Alex was like pre hand injury – as if a return to that is the most likely scenario – but what if all Alex is from here on out is what we saw in the playoffs?

  59. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    “When A-Rod got hit on the hand he was also doing $12,000 worth of steroids so you’ll have to forgive me if I’m not sold on the production of a 38-year old juicer with two bad hips.”

    That’s an allegation, and even if he was, there may be a lot more players in MLB that are doing the same thing, and to make matters more curious, it may not even be helping them.

    And we are comparing him to Youkilis, who hit 220 .316 .377 .69 v. RHP, which the majority of pitchers are.

    btw, $12k a month (after taxes) is a lot of money to me. To him, it’s chump change.

  60. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    “You want to talk about what Alex was like pre hand injury – as if a return to that is the most likely scenario – but what if all Alex is from here on out is what we saw in the playoffs?”

    The money they owe him is more than enough reason to find out which is the case.

  61. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 5:48 pm

    Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    “When A-Rod got hit on the hand he was also doing $12,000 worth of steroids so you’ll have to forgive me if I’m not sold on the production of a 38-year old juicer with two bad hips.”

    That’s an allegation, and even if he was, there may be a lot more players in MLB that are doing the same thing, and to make matters more curious, it may not even be helping them.

    And we are comparing him to Youkilis, who hit 220 .316 .377 .69 v. RHP, which the majority of pitchers are.

    btw, $12k a month (after taxes) is a lot of money to me. To him, it’s chump change.
    ———————-

    The amount of money isn’t relevant except for the fact that I assume you can buy a lot of steroids for $12,000 a month.

    Youk played a lot better once he got to Chicago and was playing in games that mattered. But even if he doesn’t rebound, those numbers are still much better than what Alex did after he came off the DL.

  62. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    “You want to talk about what Alex was like pre hand injury – as if a return to that is the most likely scenario – but what if all Alex is from here on out is what we saw in the playoffs?”

    The money they owe him is more than enough reason to find out which is the case.
    ————————

    That’s for them to decide – as I said, the money is spent either way, but if he’s crap then there’s no reason to put up with the nonsense that comes with him.

  63. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    OK, Chip, Youkilis, by necessity, will get until A-Rod is viable (assuming he is still on the team) to prove himself. If he is what he has been for two years, the decision is easy, but even if he finds a fountain of youth, they will likely need A-Rod’s offense, and his defense at 3B will almost certainly be better.

    I don’t know what 12k a month buys in terms of steroids.

  64. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    “That’s for them to decide – as I said, the money is spent either way, but if he’s crap then there’s no reason to put up with the nonsense that comes with him.”

    The crap is in part a media invention. The Yankees seem to ignore other character issues when it suits them. There is no way that kind of dead money helps them win, as I outlined above.

  65. jacksquat February 1st, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Arod didn’t wake up one day with a weak/bad hip. What you saw last year was no power from hips performance, which was still pretty good. If he regains power in his hips then he could be even better.

  66. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    “That’s for them to decide – as I said, the money is spent either way, but if he’s crap then there’s no reason to put up with the nonsense that comes with him.”

    The crap is in part a media invention. The Yankees seem to ignore other character issues when it suits them. There is no way that kind of dead money helps them win, as I outlined above.
    ————————————-

    No, it’s not a media invention – it is a result of players, fans and an organization that is fed up with this nonsense from Alex.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock February 1st, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Baseball fans are bouncing off the walls at this point, wondering why so much attention is paid to PED use in MLB but barely at all in the NFL. While PEDs in football are pretty much accepted, the lack of punishment isn’t the result of a nation’s collective indifference. The NFL, in its infinite wisdom, banned IGF-1—but does not actually test for it. Even if Ray Lewis chugged a bottle of Ultimate Spray before pissing in a cup, he wouldn’t get caught.

    This shouldn’t be surprising. It took until the latest CBA for the NFL and the union to agree to test for HGH, perhaps the most widely used performance enhancer in pro sports. Yet the two sides are still squabbling on how to implement that program, meaning HGH will still not be tested for next season. IGF-1, too, goes untested for.

    Football’s drug problem isn’t a problem because the NFL doesn’t treat it like one. And Ray Lewis, who has twice been implicated in banned PED use? He’s a respected veteran preparing to go out on top.

    http://deadspin.com/5979930/ra.....s-football

  68. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Even Jerry Hairston this morning on MLB Network was saying in response to the Alex allegations that he and other players are just sick and tired of talking about it and that he’s with guys like Hudson and Holliday who just want these guys to go away if they’re guilty.

  69. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    The other myth is that it’s 5 years and $114 million that we’re talking about.

    Alex is 38 with two degenerative hips. The Yankees know he’s not lasting that contract. The question is how many extra years the Yankees are willing to eat in favor of ridding themselves of him.

  70. Chip February 1st, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    jacksquat February 1st, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    Arod didn’t wake up one day with a weak/bad hip. What you saw last year was no power from hips performance, which was still pretty good. If he regains power in his hips then he could be even better.
    ——————–

    He’s 38 and his hip condition is degenerative – that means it is going to get worse, not better.

  71. blake February 1st, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Wave Your Hat says:
    February 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm
    ARod will be better than anyone they’ll replace him with.

    1) we will have to see what he is when he comes back.
    2) that may not matter if they have decided to move on from him and my feeling is they probably have

  72. yankeefeminista February 1st, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Youk hasn’t hit RHP since 2010. Unless KLong is a miracle worker or Youk too is taking some enhancers and has a bounceback after two years of trending downward, we will be paying Mr. Youk 12 mil to play 3B badly and hit only LHP. I am not betting on Youk outdoing Alex.

    And how did Youk do better with ChiSox? He had a 112OPS+ first half, and 102 the second half. Add another dude who hits for average at .214 second half. Wowza!

  73. tomingeorgia February 1st, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Some of us may have touched the minimum salary offered in MLB, but not many. What they who are good enough to earn it do with it is not my concern. If Arod spent some of it on illegal drugs, then prove it and convict him in a court of law, and the “problem” is solved. If not, I don’t care. I’m not a lawyer or a statistician, but Arod will get all his money unless he gets convicted.

  74. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 6:04 pm

    Lol, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if some of the players that speak out against it are also using and just not getting caught.

  75. blake February 1st, 2013 at 6:05 pm

    “Even Jerry Hairston this morning on MLB Network was saying in response to the Alex allegations that he and other players are just sick and tired of talking about it and that he’s with guys like Hudson and Holliday who just want these guys to go away if they’re guilty.”

    Yea the players are sick of this crap being the discussion all the time….wouldn’t surprise me if the players are actually the ones to push MLB and the union to stiffen the penalties

  76. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Youk clearly isn’t the answer.. so it will be interesting to see if the Yanks make any effort to try someone in house.

    (Or make a trade.)

  77. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    I dunno, someone made a good point saying if the players were serious about being so staunchly against this stuff they probably wouldn’t have fought testing so hard… I guess you could argue it’s a new generation of players.. hopefully they do push for it.

  78. yankeefeminista February 1st, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    And maybe the players want “it” to go away because it hits too close to home. We just don’t know.

  79. blake February 1st, 2013 at 6:16 pm

    I didn’t like what I saw from Youk last year the times I saw him ….bat looked slow…he looked more like 38 than 33. That said….sometimes players that have been hurt can look more diminished than they actually are for awhile before finding it with more playing time….and the Yanks have a history of turning older guys around and keeping them healthy.

    It’s a gamble the yanks are taking….it shouldn’t stop them from going after Headley hard in July if he’s available

  80. blake February 1st, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    I heard Holliday on the radio yesterday….if that dude is juicing then he’s the biggest phony alive. It’s hard to believe he’s not clean from his statements…. But we’ve learned all to well….players lie

  81. Jerkface February 1st, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    I heard Holliday on the radio yesterday….if that dude is juicing then he’s the biggest phony alive. It’s hard to believe he’s not clean from his statements…. But we’ve learned all to well….players lie

    Well I’m pretty sure Ortiz was like ‘Ban em all!’ and you know how that turned out :twisted:

  82. yankeefeminista February 1st, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    I doubt that players consider keeping things “in house” about their shake/supplement ingestions and cream applications as “lying” to the media.

  83. Nick in SF February 1st, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    ” Well I’m pretty sure Ortiz was like ‘Ban em all!’ and you know how that turned out ”

    “Ban” is Dominican slang for “hug” — Ortiz just wants hugs for those caught using. And who can blame him?

  84. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    Apparently, Rogie Vachon isn’t in the hockey hall of fame. He’s in great company avec, Thurman.

  85. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:31 pm

    Dentists up here can shoot botox. That wasn’t what I was trained for.

  86. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Nick in SF February 1st, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    ” Well I’m pretty sure Ortiz was like ‘Ban em all!’ and you know how that turned out ”

    “Ban” is Dominican slang for “hug” — Ortiz just wants hugs for those caught using. And who can blame him?

    ————————-

    I wonder what ‘get to the bottom of this’ means in Dominican slang…

  87. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    The Algerian philosopher, Jaques Derrida wrote a fun piece about the origin of the word, ” pharmaceutical. ” – Comes from the Greek word, ” pharmakon, ” meaning BOTH poison and, cure. Ah,…. The wonderful paradox! :)

  88. yankeefeminista February 1st, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    Shame, it means once Ortiz finishes the milk shake, he’ll let you know what is at the bottom of the glass; however, he still hasn’t finished drinking it. :mrgreen:

  89. Nick in SF February 1st, 2013 at 6:39 pm

    ” I wonder what ‘get to the bottom of this’ means in Dominican slang…”

    Bottom’s up!

  90. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 6:40 pm

    :lol:

    Well done.

  91. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:41 pm

    Sorry, ” Jacques. ” – I get kinda’ excited ’bout this riting thang. ( No ” spell ” check on this blackberry.)

  92. yankeefeminista February 1st, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Was the first spelling of Jacques an attempt at deconstructionism, jmills? ;0

  93. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    YF, I like , Radiohead, but they tend to be to too much of a downer for me like, Floyd.

  94. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    YF, no, I’m just a retard! :D

  95. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    There’s nothing like Derrida late at night to make u question everything you’ve done.

  96. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    I presently hold a premium laptop, ….but I can’t sit down long enough to use it. Hence,…prefer my lttle mobile.

  97. blake February 1st, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    “Well I’m pretty sure Ortiz was like ‘Ban em all!’ and you know how that turned out ”

    Well that’s under self investigation ….Papi wasn’t proposing penalties to the players union and stuff though

  98. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    ” Little ” – crap

  99. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    I’m so thankful I aint in Big Papi’s body.

  100. Nick in SF February 1st, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    Not exactly the same joke, but close enough. I guess I owe yankeefeminista a Coke too.

    jmills, if you’re going to stay loyal to Blackberry, would you please get the new Blackberry 10? I want to read someone’s opinion on it.

  101. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    blake February 1st, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    “Well I’m pretty sure Ortiz was like ‘Ban em all!’ and you know how that turned out ”

    Well that’s under self investigation ….Papi wasn’t proposing penalties to the players union and stuff though

    —————

    Is that what these guys are doing or are they just talking about it in the media and stuff?

  102. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/l.....#038;rel=0

    For everybody who hates Rush, this might make you conspire otherwise.

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 1st, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    “…meaning HGH will still not be tested for next season.”

    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell says he believes there will be an agreement soon with the players’ union for testing for human growth hormone.

    At his annual state of the NFL news conference on Friday, Goodell said he expects an agreement for the tests to be reached in time for the start of the 2013 season.

  104. blake February 1st, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    “Is that what these guys are doing or are they just talking about it in the media and stuff?”

    Holliday is pretty involved in the union I believe….I think he said on the radio he was going to right a letter to MLB and the union about it

  105. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    “He’s 38 and his hip condition is degenerative – that means it is going to get worse, not better.”

    No, it was congenital.

  106. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    Hi, Trish! Sure is going to be an interesting seasone, mon ami. Hold tight!

  107. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 7:04 pm

    Crap,.. I can’t even spell, ” season “

  108. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    ” Perspicacious, ” …is up for grabs.

  109. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    blake February 1st, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    “Is that what these guys are doing or are they just talking about it in the media and stuff?”

    Holliday is pretty involved in the union I believe….I think he said on the radio he was going to right a letter to MLB and the union about it

    ——————-

    Like I said, I hope this really is a different generation of players.. we’ll see if anything comes out of this investigation. We were told 30 more names were going to leak… we’ll see about that as well.

    I remain cynical about all of it, though.. they’ve made me this way.

  110. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Rich, Winfield and Molitar played until they wanted to leave. 37, 38, is nothing.

  111. Rich in NJ February 1st, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    jmills

    It’s not the age, it’s the contract, imo.

  112. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Rich, the guy seems done for.

  113. Shame Spencer February 1st, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    @MarcCarig

    Mets GM Sandy Alderson says “there are still a few options out there” when it comes to the possibility of trading for an outfielder.

    ————————-

    Granderson for Flores!!

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 1st, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    jmills – MUY interesante indeed!

    I will enjoy watching it from my “detached” perspective, meaning no gut-churning aforethought! :)

    React afresh and then just roll with it baby!

    Loving taking it minute by minute. Life to me is one big adventure!

    :)

  115. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 1st, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Here’s a thought. Might it not be possible that after Alex’s steroids admission the Yankees insisted on inserting a clause that said any further steroid useage would be grounds for voiding the contract? Hmmm.

  116. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Trish, good for you! ” Loving every minute of it ,” is a questonable song by, Lover Boy, in the early eighties.

  117. Nick in SF February 1st, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    Can’t trade Granderson; he’s already here :arrow:

  118. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    ” Questionable “

  119. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 1st, 2013 at 7:33 pm

    jmills – you are totally to be forgiven any spelling transgressions posting from a Blackberry!

    Just as I am declaring myself to be forgiven for any spelling transgressions emanating from this stupid-ass Dell keyboard that decides to skip letters randomly, despite keys being pushed. I’ve already had the keyboard replaced once, so I am guessing that this is one of the quirks associated with the particular back-lit keyboard that goes to the model of my laptop!

    GRRR!!!!

    I manage to catch most of the errors but it is a huge pain typing so s-l-o-w-l-y in the hopes of catching errors as they occur!

    :mad:

  120. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Trish, so glad to be in good company!

  121. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Molitar, la Man in la Mans! :)

  122. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/embed/p.....#038;rel=0

    Yes, ” Owner of a Lonely Heart. ” :)

  123. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Bill Mcreary – good ref!

  124. jmills February 1st, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Oh’ man, give me Butch Wynegar amy time!


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