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Pinch hitting: Jeff Wenzel

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 03, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Our next Pinch Hitter, Jeff Wenzel, grew up in northern Illinois and went into the Army at age 17. It was the military that eventually brought him to North Carolina, where he met his wife and where he still lives. Now 37 years old, Jeff lives with his family in a small coastal town just north of Wilmington.

“For my first Father’s Day in 2010, my wife bought me my first Yankee game tickets,” Jeff wrote. “We stayed at a hotel in Manhattan and road the subway with our 6 month old son to 2 games in June 2010. My son’s first Yankee game was a Boston-Yankee game! Talk about a memorable first Father’s Day experience for everyone in our family. … I am still trying to convince my wife that “Jeter” would make a great name for our next child.”

For his post, Jeff didn’t write about Jeter or Father’s Day. He wrote about the unexpected connection that brought him to the Yankees in the first place.

So you may ask, why is a guy who grew up a diehard White Sox fan writing an article about the Yankees?

I grew up two hours west of Chicago in the small town of Freeport, IL. Even there, I was a minority. In a town that boasts a high school mascot called the Freeport Pretzels and the location of “Little Cubs field” (a whiffle ball replica of Wrigley field), I wore #23 on my high school baseball uniform. Not because of the super famous Chicago athlete Michael Jordan, but the White Sox third baseman Robin Ventura.

Everyone rooted for the Cubs. I rooted for the White Sox.

After graduating high school in 1993, the US Army took me to Fort Bragg, N.C. At that time, the local ESPN radio station was a Yankee affiliate. You can imagine my delight when I heard Rockin’ Robin had joined the Yankees in 2002. I started listening to the Yankees…

As I mentioned, I grew up a die-hard White Sox fan. In high school, I painted a 6-foot tall White Sox logo on my bedroom wall. On another wall, I had used a slide projector to help me trace a top view seating chart of Comiskey Park (now US Cellular Field) complete with section numbers. After each game I attended, I would come home and put a red dot on my wall where I had sat. I was Fathead crazy before Fatheads were ever invented!

So Robin was traded to the Yankees from the Mets for David Justice prior to the 2002 season. He rounded out an infield boasting Jason Giambi, Alfonso Soriano and Derek Jeter. Note, all four Yankee infielders made the All Star team. At this time, Robin had six Gold Gloves under his belt, although 2002 would prove to be a rough fielding year for him.

During the 2002 All-Star home run derby (which Giambi won), I remember seeing Robin sitting on the field enjoying himself with the rest of the players and their kids. I don’t know why that image sticks in my mind, but it does. It was Robin’s second and last All-Star appearance.

Robin re-signed after the 2002 season with the Yankees and was ultimately traded in late July 2003 to the Dodgers for Bubba Crosby and Scott Proctor. But by that time, I was hooked. I had sipped enough of the Yankee Kool-Aid and I wanted more! I had officially switched my allegiance to the Bronx Bombers. And that’s how Robin Ventura made this life long White Sox fan a Yankees fan.

Here are some other notable career moments for Robin:

• He had been named as part of Sports Illustrated cover entitled “Best Infield Ever” featuring the 1999 Mets.
• He was the only person to get six hits off of Nolan Ryan in a single game. Unfortunately, all six “hits” were to the dome of 26 year old Robin’s head after he decided to charge the mound and got caught in a noogie hold by the 46-year-old Ryan.
• He hit 18 career grand slams, placing him in a tie with Willie McCovey for 5th on the all-time list, behind Lou Gehrig, Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramírez, and Eddie Murray; 6.1 percent of his career home runs were grand slams, the highest ratio of any player with at least 250 career home runs.
• He really hit 19 career grand slams, but is only credited with 18 due his Mets teammates carrying him off the field after a bottom of the 15th inning walk off “grand single” where he failed to touch home plate.
• He is one of 13 players to have ever hit two grand slams in the same game.
• At Oklahoma State, as a sophomore in 1987, he had a NCAA record 58-game hitting streak, breaking the previous record of 47. That record stood until 2003.
• He is the current manager of the Chicago White Sox

Photo from the Wenzel family

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169 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Jeff Wenzel”

  1. jmills February 3rd, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Thanks for the piece, Jeff! A big logo on your wall and a stadium map too, now I don’t feel so strange :)

    I guess there’s hope for me becoming a full yankee fan afterall with you making the switch from being such a diehard White Sox fan.

  2. yankee21 February 3rd, 2013 at 9:36 am

    Good article Jeff. Always been a fan of Robin Ventura too- very good ball player and I think he will prove to be a very good manager.

  3. Tar February 3rd, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Thanks for the post Jeff. You have a beautiful family.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5J54RVZjYs

  4. Rich in NJ February 3rd, 2013 at 9:48 am

    Nice story.

  5. Frankg February 3rd, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Jeff,

    You’ve probably seen Kevin Youkillis play more than we have last year, so in your opinion is he washed-up?

    Thanks,

    Frank

  6. austinmac February 3rd, 2013 at 10:24 am

    I enjoyed that Jeff. Very cute young man. Two words. Switch hit.

  7. Tar February 3rd, 2013 at 10:29 am

    One more thing Jeff, thanks for your service!

    #rememberingGB7

  8. Don February 3rd, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Nice post, Jeff.

  9. Giuseppe Franco February 3rd, 2013 at 11:19 am

    Good stuff.

    Coincidentally…I grew up in the middle of Cubs territory in NW Indiana and there was a ballplayer with the jersey number 23 that turned me into a diehard Yankee fan as well.

    We know him as Donnie Baseball.

  10. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 3rd, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Corey Black
    Already invited to big league camp after being drafted just last year. Has already made five starts in Low-A and could move fairly quickly.

    ******

    Thank you, Chad for acknowledging Corey Black in your previous post. When I brought him up a few days ago when a certain poster left him off of his “watch” list because he did not think Black was relevant or did not know a thing about him (how can you make a watch list of prospects when you do not know what is down there – smh) – the certain poster and his click were enraged and thought Black was just a throw away – a non-factor – they more of the Dealin Dellin crowd – thank you for giving Mr. Black some respect – some notice – long overdue from the elitist spreadsheet “excel” posters – - – -

    What is always interesting about the lohud poster is that – while they criticize the Yankees on these moves – mostly small in nature (Justin Maxwell? George Kontos? Dewayne Wise? really? and the Dewayne Wise move completely backfired when Ichiro arrived – you take Ichiro over Wise) – yet when they are criticized themselves – they cannot handle it – evident by dismissing criticisms of their analysis/dismissal of Corey Black, their analysis of the joint drug agreement, their analysis of Joba’s WAR in 2009 and WAR post-August 2008 Joba/Texas injury – - – -

    The Stoneburner project is simple in nature, to put the lohud poster through the same examining eye that they put the Yankees under – for who else watches the elitist, chronic and spoiled complainer – - – -

    This is Stoneburner, reporting from Ceti Alpha V, on the Wax Poetic minute for this Super Bowl Sunday and completing week two of the Stoneburner Project – - – -

  11. jacksquat February 3rd, 2013 at 11:31 am

    austinmac February 3rd, 2013 at 10:24 am
    I enjoyed that Jeff. Very cute young man. Two words. Switch hit.

    Throw lefthanded.

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 3rd, 2013 at 11:37 am

    Jeff, such a sweet story! I was always a big fan of Robin Ventura and was so happy when he got the job managing the ChiSox. He always seemed like a real good guy. Absolutely love your connection to the Yanks. By the way, your son is gorgeous! And he looks amazing in pinstripes.

    :)

  13. blake February 3rd, 2013 at 11:38 am

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Brian Cashman told us on SiriusXM’s Front Office that the Yankees teams is not finished yet and they are still looking for a RHH outfielder

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Yankees GM Brian Cashman told us on SiriusXM’s Front Office that he believes that Bill James should be given Hall of Fame consideration

  14. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 11:42 am

    He’s become a caricature of himself. I think version 2 better

  15. yankeefeminista February 3rd, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Odds, Who? Stoneburner or Cashman? lol.

  16. Tar February 3rd, 2013 at 11:56 am

    “The Stoneburner project is simple in nature, to put the lohud poster through the same examining eye that they put the Yankees under – for who else watches the elitist, chronic and spoiled complainer –”

    More like Stoneburner is craving for attention again.

    Look at me my name is Stoneburner the righteous. Whatever…

  17. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Stone.

    He has reverted back to what he was a yr ago. I like when he is contributing to the discussion and bringing up good topics.

  18. blake February 3rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Bowden just said he thinks Boras will start the asking price for Cano around 10/270

  19. jacksquat February 3rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 11:59 am
    Stone.

    He has reverted back to what he was a yr ago. I like when he is contributing to the discussion and bringing up good topics.

    Good topics that have been rehashed for 4 years like Joba in the rotation?

    Good topics like Montero, who has been off the team for over a year and has been beaten to death?

    Stoneburner commented on Corey Black. Did anyone else?

  20. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    like version 2*

  21. Tar February 3rd, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    “Stoneburner commented on Corey Black. Did anyone else?”

    While completely criticizing everyone else.

    Bringing up Corey Black is good, being a complete idiot about it, is not.

    My new Tar project will be to put Stoneburner under the same scrutiny he puts other posters through. He’s obviously craving for attention, maybe I will give it to him.

  22. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    jacksquat February 3rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm
    Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 11:59 am
    Stone.

    He has reverted back to what he was a yr ago. I like when he is contributing to the discussion and bringing up good topics.

    Good topics that have been rehashed for 4 years like Joba in the rotation?

    Good topics like Montero, who has been off the team for over a year and has been beaten to death?

    Stoneburner commented on Corey Black. Did anyone else?

    ————-

    Those two topics point to how bad the Yankees are when it comes to developing/keeping their own young talent so it is a good topic.

    Corey black is a 20 yr old in A ball. He’s so far away from even popping up on the radar.

  23. yankeefeminista February 3rd, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    JS, he commented derisively toward JF’s list, and didn’t attempt to have a dialog with JF, did he? Now he is taking shots at JF (and conflating everyone else with him) when he isn’t even here. But that’s OK because that is what he does…

  24. yankeefeminista February 3rd, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Oh come one, Odds, don’t even bother. People who follow the prospects know who Corey Black is; this isn’t about Corey Black.

  25. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    “Stoneburner commented on Corey Black. Did anyone else

    —————————-

    RadioKev did

  26. jacksquat February 3rd, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 12:11 pm
    jacksquat February 3rd, 2013 at 12:03 pm
    Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 11:59 am
    Stone.

    He has reverted back to what he was a yr ago. I like when he is contributing to the discussion and bringing up good topics.

    Good topics that have been rehashed for 4 years like Joba in the rotation?

    Good topics like Montero, who has been off the team for over a year and has been beaten to death?

    Stoneburner commented on Corey Black. Did anyone else?

    ————-

    Those two topics point to how bad the Yankees are when it comes to developing/keeping their own young talent so it is a good topic.

    It’s not a good topic after it has been discussed to death. All it is now is complaining, Cashman sucks Cashman sucks Cashman sucks. A few people try to be more objective and are beaten down by the hoard and called a “Cashman Apologist”.

  27. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    It’s not a good topic after it has been discussed to death. All it is now is complaining, Cashman sucks Cashman sucks Cashman sucks. A few people try to be more objective and are beaten down by the hoard and called a “Cashman Apologist”.

    —————————–

    Ff he’s not good at developing prospects he has to be criticized for it yes or no. If his plan was a success there would be no mention of Joba or Montero. He would receive praise for developing talent.

    It’s not beaten to death when he still hasn’t made the mL a pipeline for the ML club.

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock February 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Jeff,

    Good job. Your kid’s going to break hearts :D.

    I always like hearing the genesis of Yankee fandom in those not from this area. What’s interesting is, most fans from Chicago just hate the Yanks, so I guess you either didn’t hate us or your affinity for Ventura was so great, you began to see us in the different light?

  29. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    If not FF

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock February 3rd, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Odds,

    Re those stats from Joba in 2008.

    The one that really jumped out at me though, was that OPS+ against of 71.

    That’s just fantastic; we’re talking about a young right-handed power pitcher who has to deal with the short porch in his home starts.

    That GB percentage of 52 and his 10.58/9 Ks just remind me of how really good he was. For the San Diego start that year, I wasn’t in my normal seasons in main, but had field seats several rows behind the plate, and I can see Joba’s tag on Gonzales at home like it was yesterday. His athleticism has always been a little under rated, I would say. The dive in Fenway (when he landed on his shoulder) was another pure instinct and athleticism play. Can’t wait to see him throw in ST.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock February 3rd, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Since when is Jerkface a big Betances advocate? LOL. Jerkface and I have argued about Betances more than once.

    You can’t make this stuff up; oh, wait – he did make it up.

  32. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Yea he moves pretty well for a big guy. The belly flop in Cleveland comes to mind lol.

  33. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    The Stoneburner project is simple in nature, to put the lohud poster through the same examining eye that they put the Yankees under – for who else watches the elitist, chronic and spoiled complainer – – – -
    =================================
    Look out! Tar has awoken from his hibernation to contest those who criticize the dissidents.
    How dare you question the all – seeing eyes of those who have gone to the games and seen more than you? This blog is at its best when their mutual admiration society waxes poetic of all that they have seen, and you haven’t.

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock February 3rd, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    All those two do here is rail at imaginary foes and make a public display of their persecution complexes.

    No one here is trying to exclude you.

  35. Tar February 3rd, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    mick

    I knew that would hit close to home for you. Just like you, I like Stone when you talk about baseball and other topics, just like you when you start in on other people, you suck.

    Post 2 of the Tar project.

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock February 3rd, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Yea he moves pretty well for a big guy. The belly flop in Cleveland comes to mind lol.
    ///

    LOL. Mattingly, in a different way, never “looked” like he’d be athletic. He had such great hand-eye, though, it wasn’t funny. The softest hands. Joba is a pretty good fielding PITCHA!

  37. J. Alfred Prufrock February 3rd, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    I think it’s extremely generous of Tar and Odds to keep seeking the better nature in people who really don’t warrant the benefit of the doubt. But that’s what seriously nice people do. Don’t push your luck.

    Have a good day, gang.

  38. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Jeff , why didn’t you become a Met fan when Robin was traded there?
    Robin was pretty much on fumes by the time he became a Yankee.
    Interested in the disconnect between you and the White Sox….

  39. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    All those two do here is rail at imaginary foes and make a public display of their persecution complexes.
    ================================
    Altho you have executed your hit and run to perfection once again, have you ever thought of how obnoxious you come off? You are divisive and people have a right to speak their mind and say so, if they dare…

  40. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 3rd, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    yankeefeminista February 2nd, 2013 at 7:17 pm
    Manny Banuelos has started his throwing program!

    Joba’s WAR in 2008 is indeed 3.8 as a starter. Joba is technically second to Pettitte in terms of SP WAR for the years 2008 and 2009.

    *****

    This post is particularly interesting – interesting. It completely ignores Joba’s 2009 WAR as a full-time starter – and it proves the point that Joba has NOT been the same since his August 2008 injury – so the injury had more to do with his development than the Yankees, Eppler, Cashman, Girardi, Eiland – and whoever you blame – - – - -

    Also – the Banuelos info – the only place I have seen that is the pinstripes with the plus on it – I thought they had a policy about posting user information on other forums – but I could be wrong – - – -

  41. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 3rd, 2013 at 1:08 pm

    Post 2 of the Tar project.

    ******

    Weak – at least capitalize the “project” – - – - -

    And I do not believe in the axiom that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery (okay – maybe I do )

    And finally – you have hurt my feelings – - – - -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuRsBgak998

  42. tomingeorgia February 3rd, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Mister mick,
    As someone who has been labeled a “bigot” here by a few people who know nothing of me except where I live, and who obviously doesn’t “warrant the benefit of the doubt”, I hardly ever post anymore. There is a superciliousness and dismissiveness that has crept in here that discourages it. Homina, homina, etc.

  43. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 3rd, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Remember – the Stoneburner Project is funded project based on irrational reaction and constant complaining about, but not limited, to turk 182 errr the number 189, Montero, Melky, excel spreadsheets, Joba as a starter vs. reliever, Eppler is terrible, Cashman is a weasel (that one, the Stoneburner Project is still actively investigating, I think weasel is too harsh, but might be justified when the IG’s report comes in, which will be around February 21, 2013), Dealin Dellin is magnificent – but let’s ignore a Nik Turley and ignore him like Tuna over a Dolphin (that’s right, I am capitalizing them), the Lakewood 2008 Montero HR, the constant downplay of Corban Joseph as the worst defensive second baseman ever, excel spreadsheets (I already said that, but I like it) – - – -

    49ers over the Ravens, 28-24 – - – -

    This is Stoneburner, reporting from Ceti Alpha V, with the Wax Poetic pre-Super Bowl minutes – - – -

    (this post was funded by the Stoneburner Project)

  44. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 3rd, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    “We need a lot of prayer, and I pray a lot,” Mariano was overheard saying to a guest. “Our biggest competition is ourselves . . . You have to shed that ego at the door and all push for the same goal.” Of last year, he admitted, “The hitting wasn’t there, but pitching is the name of the game.”

    Another misguided baseball professional, thinking that pitching is the name of the game. Oh wait, it must be because he’s a pitcher so totally egostistical about it – we all know that Mariano is exactly that way.

    Oh wait…he isn’t. Maybe he’s on to something!

    :D

    Seriously, congrats to Mo on his Man of the Year Award. I think it’s awesome that the NY Board of Rabbis chose him for the award and so cool that he gets a tour of the Holy Land.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesi.....ntent=Page Six

  45. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    and it proves the point that Joba has NOT been the same since his August 2008 injury

    ———————–

    That’s not entirely true because in 2009 he started to string together a good set of games. Throwing hard, finishing off batters, and going deeper into games and then they kicked in the dumb rules again.

  46. Rich in NJ February 3rd, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    @JimBowdenESPNxm: Yankees GM Brian Cashman told us on SiriusXM’s Front Office that he believes that Bill James should be given Hall of Fame consideration
    __

    Heh.

  47. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Mr Tom-

    Look at it this way:

    supercilious – Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com
    http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/supercilious
    Definition of supercilious : Supercilious people think very highly of themselves, more highly than of others. Think of them as a “super silly ass,” and you’ll …

  48. Rich in NJ February 3rd, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    I think a synonym is haughty.

    tom

    There are people here I don’t like. You know what I do? I hardly read their posts.

  49. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    As someone who has been labeled a “bigot” here by a few people who know nothing of me except where I live, and who obviously doesn’t “warrant the benefit of the doubt”,
    =======================================
    Don’t worry Mr Tom, these are hypocrites.
    You keep on posting.

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 3rd, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    “As someone who has been labeled a “bigot” here by a few people who know nothing of me except where I live, and who obviously doesn’t “warrant the benefit of the doubt”, I hardly ever post anymore. There is a superciliousness and dismissiveness that has crept in here that discourages it. Homina, homina, etc.”

    tom, I hope that once the season starts you’ll be here in full force. I think you need to look at the different on-line personalities and realize that if nastiness, insults, and general dismissiveness are contained within certain personas, it pretty much tells you who the people are – at least who they are here – and who they will likely continue to be. Don’t let anyone like that drive you away. It’s like allowing evil to conquer good, IMO. I think you are a very nice person and we need genial people on this forum, especially to counterbalance the atmosphere that can permeate a sports forum when its team loses games or goes on a losing streak. It always makes me happy knowing that people like you (Ys Guy, Tar, mick, Boston Dave, Pat M, MTU, jmills, are some others that come immediately to mind) are going to be around to remind the rest that the season isn’t ever lost until it is!

    So please don’t ever consider leaving this joint! We need you.

    :)

  51. tomingeorgia February 3rd, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Rich,
    I read most of their posts because sometimes there’s real information in them and they’re hard to sort out from the personal attacks on character without reading them. It’s been a long winter.

  52. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    DanBarbarisi profile

    DanBarbarisi ICYMI, Mark Teixeira Opens up about his declining batting average, aging in baseball, and why he’s overpaid on.wsj.com/11vJOV2 via @WSJ
    ====================================
    Tex oughtta learn to keep his mouth shut or he might get booed next.
    Don’t think his fragile ego could take it.

  53. Rich in NJ February 3rd, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    tom

    I understand. From my perspective, I realize I may be missing some good info, but it’s a cost-benefit thing.

  54. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    (Ys Guy, Tar, mick, Boston Dave, Pat M, MTU, jmills, are some others that come immediately to mind) are going to be around to remind the rest that the season isn’t ever lost until it is!

    —————————–

    One of the members you mentioned doesn’t fit lol.

  55. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I read most of their posts because sometimes there’s real information in them and they’re hard to sort out from the personal attacks on character without reading them.
    =================================
    Tom, most of the posts by self appointed expert(s) are loaded with “subtle” shots at those who were not season ticket holders or frequenters of minor league games.
    I would disregard most of the “real information” as that is just biased opinion disguised as fact.

  56. blake February 3rd, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Cashman on the radio basically said regarding Cano that they aren’t going to do anything and more or less said they’ll cross that bridge when they get there…..I’ve always thought they’d pay whatever it took to sign him…..now I’m kinda feeling like they may just let him walk if the Dodgers throw out an insane number……either way….they have waited so long to address the issue that it’s tough to see a good outcome…..either they lose him for a draft pick or they pay him an absurd contract

  57. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 3rd, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Against – I won’t ask you to tell me which one because I certainly don’t want you to single out anyone!

    I’m just thinking of the posters who have typically counseled not to lose heart, and all of the ones I’ve mentioned have typically fit that bill, IMO. Now they don’t all use the same words when they do it, but the message is the same.

    :)

  58. Rich in NJ February 3rd, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    “they’ll cross that bridge when they get there”

    I doubt that Cashman has any say in this, but it’s so dumb. You need a long-term plan, and long-term to them is tomorrow.

  59. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    If letting Cano go is the difference between the Yanks being a good baseball team or not, then they have much bigger problems to contend with.

    Think of the bigger picture. It will take more than Cano to build a winning team and that is the direction we need to take.

  60. Tar February 3rd, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Tom

    Read from the top down. Jeff wrote a nice guest piece. Then Stone shows up and purposely screws up the thread. Why couldn’t he just let Jeff have his moment? It’s just an other example of him needing to be the center of attention. So who really was the supercilious and dismissive ones here?

    BTW when you say a labeled by a few people, are you talking about Randy et al? or just Randy?

  61. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 3rd, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    “One more thing Jeff, thanks for your service!

    #rememberingGB7″

    :(

  62. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    I get where you’re coming from Trisha nothing wrong with that at all :).

  63. Rich in NJ February 3rd, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    “If letting Cano go is the difference between the Yanks being a good baseball team or not, then they have much bigger problems to contend with.”

    Is that the issue, or is it asset maximization. IOW, is mere draft picks a sufficient return for your best player, by far? I don’t think it is.

  64. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    draft picks alone is not the answer , we have already begun to build something down below and they have to get their shot.
    when a team gets old they will have to be replaced somehow and cano alone and the contract he will demand will repeat the same mistake we made with arod.

  65. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 3rd, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    You know Against, I think you’re one of the nicest people on this forum. I mean that. No matter what your opinion, even if you think the Yanks are screwing up royally, you are always polite about it. It doesn’t matter what side of the fence you’re on, you always manage to bring politeness and understanding to the argument. I truly appreciate people like you. Wish I could be more like you. But know that I do try even if I don’t always succeed. And I’ll just keep on trying. I know I can be very high-spirited, but truly I don’t like or understand intentional meanness.

  66. Giuseppe Franco February 3rd, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    You can have a difference of opinion without acting like a douchebag.

    For whatever reason, Stone hasn’t learned how do do that.

  67. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Stone is just mirroring what he thinks to be the douchebaggedness of those he criticizes.

  68. Rich in NJ February 3rd, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    mick

    Exatcly, draft picks aren’t the answer. By trading Cano now they could get either young ML veterans who are cost-controlled, but not yet (or maybe never will be) as good as Cano and/or some near ML ready prospects, who are at a stage of development when the margin for error shrinks in projecting talent. Or some combo of those two.

    That type of return will help a team replace aging players far quicker.

  69. Giuseppe Franco February 3rd, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    I’d feel much better about getting draft picks if the Yanks had the kind of developmental success like the Rays over the last several years.

  70. tomingeorgia February 3rd, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    Tar,
    I’m too old to play that game, and I meant “et al.” I don’t attack anybody’s character, because I don’t have a clue. I just read what they write anonymously.

  71. sevrox February 3rd, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Hey Jeff – nice write up – I grew up in Morehead City, NC, so I imagine that little town north of Wilmington might be close to there. I remember the only Yankee news would be a little column in ‘The Sporting News’ once every two weeks. Now, I’m bombarded with Yankee’ness and am not complaining. Rock On!

  72. Giuseppe Franco February 3rd, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    mick February 3rd, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Stone is just mirroring what he thinks to be the douchebaggedness of those he criticizes.

    ——-

    Sounds more like desperate pleas for attention, especially with the multiple handles.

  73. Rich in NJ February 3rd, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    “I’d feel much better about getting draft picks if the Yanks had the kind of developmental success like the Rays over the last several years.”

    Well yeah, that would be optimal, but I am reacting to what is and what is unlikely to change. :)

  74. sevrox February 3rd, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    And whatever happened to greenberet7?

  75. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    By trading Cano now they could get either young ML veterans who are cost-controlled,
    ============================
    Rich-
    Who would trade these prospects or proven talent when they can get Cano for free?
    It seems obvious Hal is steadfast in avoiding huge , long term contracts with Hank out of the picture and responsible for the arod deal.

  76. blake February 3rd, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    sevrox says:
    February 3, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    And whatever happened to greenberet7?

    He’s gone on to that great minor league park in the sky sadly.

  77. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Thanks Trisha. I appreciate the kind words. Even though I disagree with you on certain subjects I admire your passion for the Yankees. When it comes to debates I try to not get personal. No matter how rude or mean a person can be I do my best to not go into the gutter. I’ve had ppl on other boards insult my intelligence just I don;t agree with them. They basically said the college I went to failed and I’m dense. That was on RAB though not here. Even the toughest debates on here don;t sink to that level. At least I don’t think anyone on here has said that about me.

    That’s the thing I can have a disagreement with someone but agree with them the days later on a different topic. I don’t forget the disagreement but I’m not going to let that get in the way of giving the person their credit where it’s due.

  78. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    Hal was responsible for the A-rod deal as well.

  79. blake February 3rd, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    The Yankees would never trade Cano because they’d be afraid of the fan reaction….even if that might actually be the best thing for them to do

  80. Rich in NJ February 3rd, 2013 at 2:04 pm

    Who would trade these prospects or proven talent when they can get Cano for free?
    It seems obvious Hal is steadfast in avoiding huge , long term contracts with Hank out of the picture and responsible for the arod deal.
    __

    mick

    You don’t think Cano has a lot of value? Look at what the Mets got for a couple of months of Beltran or for an old player like Dickey?

    There is no way, imo, that Hank was able to sign off on close to $300m without Hal’s approval

  81. Tar February 3rd, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    “I’m too old to play that game, and I meant “et al.” I don’t attack anybody’s character, because I don’t have a clue.”

    Sorry about the Randy remark.

    I asked you a couple of questions, including who was attacking who’s character? That seems to be important to you. To the point where you made a generalization of the blog being “supercilious”. ( BTW one might consider it “supercilious” to use that word on a baseball blog. :wink: )

    So what game are you referring to. The one where Stone started the character assassinations and general nonsense?

  82. Tar February 3rd, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Blake

    Nice effort yesterday huh. Marcus Paige showed some real growth.

    You didn’t have to sleep on the couch did you? :D

  83. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    When I go to a ballgame I can’t help but notice who is sitting in my proximity and yes am judgmental about their behavior.
    Most of the time, it are the drunk ones that get my attention with their outlandish behavior. Most are quiet and respectable.
    Same goes on in here but we get to intellectualize, where at the Stadium we cannot, as anonymity allows us to pontificate to our hearts content . There it could lead to violence and who wants to challenge a drunk ?
    What I see here is baiting by a few that is designed to taunt, then they play the victim card.
    This is evidenced by the come and go nature of their assaults.
    Has anyone else noticed how one, in particular, likes to leave with a parting shot, instead of facing those he has assaulted?
    Dramatic? More cowardly and/or leaving his mark, as in a need for attention, as accused.

  84. blake February 3rd, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    “You didn’t have to sleep on the couch did you? ”

    Haha nah….she only really cares about football ….but yes nice game for him….they are getting a little better ….it’s just a different type teams than we are used to

  85. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    You don’t think Cano has a lot of value? Look at what the Mets got for a couple of months of Beltran or for an old player like Dickey?

    There is no way, imo, that Hank was able to sign off on close to $300m without Hal’s approval
    ==========================
    Rich-
    You don’t think Hal went against his better judgment and was coerced by Hank and Levine/Trost into that deal? He seems to have learned his lesson and is steadfast in trying to not to repeat this mistake.

    I don’t think or see many teams getting much for Cano-like deals when they can get him for nothing during free agency.

  86. tomingeorgia February 3rd, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    I ‘m referring to those posters who believe that their opinions are the holy writ. As for word choices, that was the correct word, and my Thesaurus is too long packed away to try to dumb it down for a “sports blog” where medieval French poetry is discussed.

    The “game” I’m referring to is to try to win opinion by dissing (appropriate?) the character of the opiner. By the way, I don’t beat my wife anymore.

  87. luis February 3rd, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Good afternoon everyone, I hope this post find everyone very well.

    I have been scrolling a little through the lasts few threads, so I will express my two cents about certain topics:

    Arod: I think he went all out every time he took the field, so I am grateful for his playing this past few years. I loved trading for him, but didn’t like his contract extension. Still, we have the 2009 WS tittle in no small part thanks to him, he practically carried the team through most of the post season. that contract given to him and how it affects the Yankees right now is on the FO not on him. He would have been an idiot if he turned that contract down.

    Joba and the overall development of prospects by the Yankee organization. You know very well where I stand there, so I will not keep on pilling over it. But they clearly have made more mistakes than not, when it is supposed to be the other way around. The other thing that bears mentioning is their preference for vets over rookies, which in turn hurts their developmental plans ( if they don’t get their chance and time to struggle at the MLB level, how are you going to develop a player from the minors? ).

  88. blake February 3rd, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Sandy just killed it with the Beltran and Dickey moves……it may not work out at all but he did what he should have in the situation he’s in….turned 3 months of Beltran into Zack Wheeler and a year of RA Dickey into the best catching prospect in baseball

  89. Rich in NJ February 3rd, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    mick

    Coerced, no? I think they made what they believed was a money decision rather than a baseball decision, and if they let Cano go for picks rather than trading him, I think it’s the same mindset.

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    And a bigger person would be willing to admit that he was wrong and I was right!

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  91. Tar February 3rd, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    “‘What I see here is baiting by a few that is designed to taunt, ”

    You’re right. That is exactly what Stone did

    What I see is people talking about the “Yankees” period. For some reason a “few” people don’t like what or how, or who they talk about.

    But instead of debating in a civilized manner they resort to the “taunt”. It’s most likely a transparent attempt to call attention on themselves.

  92. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    That’s the thing I can have a disagreement with someone but agree with them the days later on a different topic. I don’t forget the disagreement but I’m not going to let that get in the way of giving the person their credit where it’s due.
    =========================
    This is because you are a reasonable poster without an agenda.
    That is saying a lot.
    The few here who are passive agitators should leave,
    then watch from afar as the board will have much less agita.
    But what fun would that be?

  93. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    “‘What I see here is baiting by a few that is designed to taunt, ”

    You’re right. That is exactly what Stone did
    ======================================
    Don’t dismiss the “passive” taunter(s) that hits and runs with a parting shot then lurks and laughs at the inferior mentally challenged he leaves behind…

    Stone is responding , he is not the initiator, some times that clouds the thought process if you are a part of the clique.

  94. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 2:29 pm

    Rich
    Again, Hal’s mindset since then is steadfast, I think he was overruled and he thinks it was a mistake. My point is about other teams giving up much for a Cano rental when they can get him for free.

  95. Tar February 3rd, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    Stone is taunting , he is the initiator, some times that clouds the thought process if you are a part of the clique.

    I fixed that sentence for you

  96. mick February 3rd, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    The sentence remains the same much like the song.
    I reckon there is more than one clique at work, point taken.

  97. Against All Odds February 3rd, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Take care Trisha

  98. sevrox February 3rd, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    Blake – thanks for the GB7 news. Sorry to hear – enjoyed his somewhat curmudgeonly take on things/dealing with posters. I seldom check in here until spring training starts due to paths many idle minds take when there’s nothing substantial/significant to discuss. I think the Yanks will be fine offensively this year – health permitting(!).

  99. jeff_wenzel February 4th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    Mick – great question – “Why not become a Met’s fan?” After I joined the army, I stopped following baseball for a “season” for multiple reasons (military schools, living overseas, etc…) It wasn’t until the perfect combination of easily available access (local radio station was a Yankee affiliate) and Ventura playing on the Yankees revived my love of baseball.

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