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Sabathia and Phelps being honored at tonight’s Munson Awards

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CC Sabathia and David Phelps are among those being honored at tonight’s 33rd annual Thurman Munson Awards Dinner. Sabathia will be one of five athletes to receive a Munson Award for success on the field and philanthropic work off the field. Phelps will receive the second annual Rising Star Award.

Proceeds from tonight’s dinner will benefit AHRC New York City Foundation, which is a not-for-profit that supports programs enabling children and adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities to lead richer, more productive lives.

Honorees
Yankees pitcher CC Sabathia
Mets first baseman Ike Davis
Giants defensive end Chris Canty
Former Knick/CBS, Turner YES analyst Greg Anthony
Olympic gold medalist Aly Raisman
Yankees pitcher David Phelps

What: The 33rd annual Thurman Munson Awards Dinner to benefit AHRC New York City Foundation
Where: Grand Hyatt Hotel, 42nd Street, New York City
When: Tuesday, February 5, 7 p.m.

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197 Responses to “Sabathia and Phelps being honored at tonight’s Munson Awards”

  1. Nick in SF February 5th, 2013 at 7:08 pm

    They’re called the Martin Awards when I google translate them into Canadian. :mad:

  2. Nick in SF February 5th, 2013 at 7:09 pm

    …or into Cashmanian for those so inclined.

  3. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    lebron 13/14 last night.

  4. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    i can’t wait to see youk’s new swing :roll:

  5. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    a canadian born in south africa who lives in manhattan is playing for a los angeles team in brooklyn tonight!

  6. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Ys,
    I can’t wait to see anybody’s swing.

  7. jr1212 February 5th, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    “@JeffPassan: BREAKING: Ryan Braun’s name is in Biogenesis records and MLB will investigate his association with PED clinic. News: http://t.co/Z8jvz8X8”

  8. jr1212 February 5th, 2013 at 7:40 pm

    “@JeffPassan: Names in records obtained by Yahoo! Sports also include Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli and Orioles third baseman Danny Valencia.”

  9. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    i got ‘that page doesnt exsist”

    try this one : http://sports.yahoo.com/news/r.....50670.html

  10. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2013 at 7:43 pm

    I hate this crap.

  11. Nick in SF February 5th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Cervelli never went into the clinic; he was just sleeping in the parking lot.

  12. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    franco with the hgh!

    who knew?

  13. joeman February 5th, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
    franco with the hgh!

    ———————–
    could have fooled me

  14. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    Poor ‘cisco. :(

  15. joeman February 5th, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    For me the only RS ex player that came to the NYY that I warmed up to was Damon and that took time …going to take a lot longer for youk if at all

  16. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    This is actually good news… because more people will hopefully wake up and realize that when FRANCISCO CERVELLI, an AAA catcher, is doing PEDs, it really doesn’t make sense to vilify guys like Arod.

    Scrubs are doing this stuff, MVPs are doing this stuff.. it’s pretty likely more than half of the league is dirty.

  17. joeman February 5th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
    This is actually good news… because more people will hopefully wake up and realize that when FRANCISCO CERVELLI, an AAA catcher, is doing PEDs, it really doesn’t make sense to vilify guys like Arod.

    Scrubs are doing this stuff, MVPs are doing this stuff.. it’s pretty likely more than half of the league is dirty.

    ——————————————-
    I want to see the list of players not doing it…

  18. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Where’s blake been today? No blake and no MTU.

    I’m not saying blake is MTU.. just stating the facts people ;)

  19. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Shame,

    No, no. Cervelli “has” to do something; Alex has no excuse, he’s teeming with supernatural abilities.

    That’s that narrative; mark it.

  20. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    Every single player in MLB does steroids or something similar. I’m at least 5% convinced of that.

  21. joeman February 5th, 2013 at 7:52 pm

    not for nothing but FRANCISCO CERVELLI doing PED is kind of funny…

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    ——————————————-
    I want to see the list of players not doing it…
    //

    You think anyone’s going to bother over such a small list?

  23. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Cervy got that SLG in AAA all the way up to .316 with the cream. Imagine.

  24. joeman February 5th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
    ——————————————-
    I want to see the list of players not doing it…
    //

    You think anyone’s going to bother over such a small list?

    ————————-
    very true

  25. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 7:56 pm

    Congrats to C!!!!! and Phelpsie!

  26. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    Shame,

    No, no. Cervelli “has” to do something; Alex has no excuse, he’s teeming with supernatural abilities.

    That’s that narrative; mark it.

    ——————

    Lol, too true.

    On some level, I understand why that becomes the narrative. I get why it’s easier to be mad at a guy that doesn’t need them but does them as opposed to a guy that you think does need them.

    It’s still a bit hypocritical but on some level people feel insulted because they wish they had the raw talent that some of these guys have. It easier to relate to guys like Francisco Cervelli, so we’re more inclined to feel sympathy for him.

  27. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    “not for nothing but FRANCISCO CERVELLI doing PED is kind of funny…”

    It actually provides the foundation for the assertion that PED don’t PE.

  28. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Cervy got that SLG in AAA all the way up to .316 with the cream. Imagine.

    ——————–

    :lol:

    So at what time will the angry calls to drop Cervelli begin?

    “How dare he disrespect the pinstripes!” -Chris Stewart

  29. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    I dunno about you guys, but I’m hoping someone gets Austin Romine some PEDs, stat.

  30. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    LOL Rich.

    I guess Melky took HTT :D

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    So at what time will the angry calls to drop Cervelli begin?

    “How dare he disrespect the pinstripes!” -Chris Stewart
    ///

    LMAO

  32. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Shame, Stewart is the only one who doesn’t… y’know, in all of MLB (except for Jeet and Mo of course.)

  33. joeman February 5th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Cervelli …may have choked on his Linguine upon hearing this

  34. ac1 February 5th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    It actually provides the foundation for the assertion that PED don’t PE.
    ___

    Agreed. Also, Alex has not been good for years. If he is still doing roids, that is a clear example of how they don’t work on their own.

  35. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    It’s still a bit hypocritical but on some level people feel insulted because they wish they had the raw talent that some of these guys have.
    ///

    Let’s face it. On a certain level, this is about a group of asthenic, middle-aged-plus males sitting around the pressbox, plotting revenge because it’s not them down on the field.

  36. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Will any Red Sox be named, or is Mitchell behind this, too?

  37. ac1 February 5th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    WELL WELL!!! Ryan Braun on the list too……. I thought he was clean – at least thats what he arrogantly touted after skating on the 50 game suspension.

  38. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Seriously, the spirit of Joe McCarthy is alive and well.

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Classy Islander fans, cheering Crosby getting hit in the face with a puck and bleeding all over the place.

    Glad you’re losing your team, losers.

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
    Seriously, the spirit of Joe McCarthy is alive and well.
    ///

    It is around here, too.

  41. ac1 February 5th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Seriously, the spirit of Joe McCarthy is alive and well.
    ___

    Seems that way doesn’t it.
    After all of this ARod will still be a Yankee and this will be all we hear about.
    Sucks for Cervelli that once again something may derail him from getting the starting catcher job.

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:11 pm

    ac1 February 5th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
    WELL WELL!!! Ryan Braun on the list too……. I thought he was clean – at least thats what he arrogantly touted after skating on the 50 game suspension.
    ///

    Fourth OF with the PEDs

  43. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    ” J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Classy Islander fans, cheering Crosby getting hit in the face with a puck and bleeding all over the place.

    Glad you’re losing your team, losers.”
    ————————————————
    I’m shocked…SHOCKED to hear that hockey fans cheer violence!

  44. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    ac1 February 5th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    It actually provides the foundation for the assertion that PED don’t PE.
    ___

    Agreed. Also, Alex has not been good for years. If he is still doing roids, that is a clear example of how they don’t work on their own.

    ——————–

    When playing, Arod is more productive than Tex.

  45. tomingeorgia February 5th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    JAP’ s word “asthenic” roughly translates to “pencil-necked geeks”.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    ————————————————
    I’m shocked…SHOCKED to hear that hockey fans cheer violence!
    ///

    Real hockey fans don’t applaud that kind of thing. It wasn’t even a hit by their team on him. He caught a puck in the face and collapsed to the ice, bleeding. He’s also had concussions…. Nothing to do with being hockey fans. It’s to do with being jerks.

  47. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Will any Red Sox be named, or is Mitchell behind this, too?

    ——————-

    Even if they are, you just know MLB will send special corespondent Peter Gammons to investigate those players’ cases..

  48. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    I prefer they send the Fake Pete Gammons. :)

  49. ac1 February 5th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Even if they are, you just know MLB will send special corespondent Peter Gammons to investigate those players’ cases..
    ___

    Has David Ortiz got to the bottom of why he tested positive yet like he promised?

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    tomingeorgia February 5th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
    JAP’ s word “asthenic” roughly translates to “pencil-necked geeks”.
    ///

    roughly :D

  51. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    ” Nothing to do with being hockey fans.”
    ————————————
    hockey fans stand and cheer while players punch each other senseless.

  52. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Pruf, Islander fans are not the classiest of fans.

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Has David Ortiz got to the bottom of why he tested positive yet like he promised?
    //

    Too busy hugging traffic cops in front of ESPN cameras.

  54. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Shame, Stewart is the only one who doesn’t… y’know, in all of MLB (except for Jeet and Mo of course.)

    —————–

    He should really start!!

    You know this just threw a major wrench into the Yankees org, though. I mean.. you can’t chase Arod out of town and use your best option at C (who is also a PED user, allegedly). …can you? If it was any other player I’d be more confident but I think everyone will still pile on Arod and ignore Cervelli’s indiscretions.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
    I prefer they send the Fake Pete Gammons.
    ///

    He posts here once in a while, doesn’t he? ;)

  56. ac1 February 5th, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    alleged indiscretions

  57. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Eh, I’m with YS on this one.. It’s the same as how I feel about booing at NYS.

    People in groups act foolishly.

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
    ” Nothing to do with being hockey fans.”
    ————————————
    hockey fans stand and cheer while players punch each other senseless.
    //

    That’s different. Nevermind. You clearly don’t understand this.

  59. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Football is much more violent than hockey.

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
    Pruf, Islander fans are not the classiest of fans.
    ///

    This is true

  61. jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    I rite all of Alfred’s words down, makes me more specious :)

  62. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Has David Ortiz got to the bottom of why he tested positive yet like he promised?

    ——————–

    No, but he doesn’t get paid a lot or something.. (total career earnings for Ortiz: $98,512,500)

  63. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    I’m a hockey fan. I don’t cheer when an opposing player could be seriously hurt. That’s not a hockey fan. That’s f***** up.

  64. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Shame, Sociology 101 and collective behavior…

  65. jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Leafs just barfed up a two goal lead; I’ve never known anything else…..

  66. blake February 5th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    Shame Spencer says:
    February 5, 2013 at 7:51 pm
    Where’s blake been today? No blake and no MTU.

    Got two sick kids at the moment…..

    I’ve asked the following question multiple times re: Braun.

    Did he 1) not use PED 2) not need PEDs 3) is he still using PEDs?

    Does this shed more light? I dunno….sounds like the connection to him is much looser than Arod but there is a lot of smoke around him now

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
    I rite all of Alfred’s words down, makes me more specious
    ////

    Mr. Mills :D. I’m not being specious. It’s one thing if your guy and the other guy are slugging it out, and your guy drops the other guy to the ice. Then, of course, the home crowd will cheer that.

    This is a guy who took a shot off his face. No sale.

  68. jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:26 pm

    I remember psychos in road hockey.

  69. pat February 5th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Ken Rosenthal- Not medias job to help out MLB so he would not turn over documents to them if he was the writer who had them.

  70. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
    Leafs just barfed up a two goal lead; I’ve never known anything else…..
    ////

    You beat us :(

  71. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    blake – They’re dirty little germ monsters, aren’t they? My nephews are the same.

    It’s looking more and more like option 3, though I completely agree the evidence we’ve seen so far in this entire investigation is a bit thin. Could be they’re just not releasing everything, of course, but my line of thinking is Arod is probably guilty of some sheisty stuff so I’m leaning the same way on Braun.

  72. jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    Hi Alfred, blake needs to feed his kids lots of garlic.( Kidding aside, best to your family blake )

  73. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    Good for Rosenthal. If you’re a snitch (it’s not like we are talking about helping to conceal child abusers), why would any athlete ever talk to you?

  74. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    fem – Yup. I prefer to believe the same people, if they were sitting in their living rooms, wouldn’t react the same way. Especially when you’re home, you can see things a lot closer than you can when you’re in the stands.. I think that factors in as well.

  75. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:33 pm

    Yankeefem – you see that?? The Despres kid is good. :D

  76. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    Garlic is good for colds, jmills. Cut it up into some miso soup.

  77. jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    Jack Morris is the new colour commentator on radio up here. Alan Ashby was very enjoyable but went home to Houston.

  78. blake February 5th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    “blake – They’re dirty little germ monsters, aren’t they? My nephews are the same.”

    Yea one gets it and its just a matter of time before the other does…I think I’m getting it now….feel like crap

  79. jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    Alfred, I basically dice it into everything along with habeneros and anything else hot on hand – spanish onions raw are great too!

  80. austinmac February 5th, 2013 at 8:39 pm

    We can’t lose Cervelli for 50 games. Oh no!

  81. jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:40 pm

    Blake, hopefully the family responds in fine fashion around you. Milk them for baseball cards at the corner store.

  82. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:41 pm

    Pruf, smashed an Islander on the end boards then followed play the other way and Kunitz hit him late. Nice shot too. Love it!

    Actually do feel bad for Cervy if the allegations are true.

  83. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    “We can’t lose Cervelli for 50 games. Oh no!”

    I would rather lose Stewie.

  84. jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:42 pm

    Linus Pauling took 10 000 mg vit C daily – go for it, blake. ( Might give you the runs, don’t fret it )

  85. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    ” pat February 5th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Ken Rosenthal- Not medias job to help out MLB so he would not turn over documents to them if he was the writer who had them.”
    ———————————————
    true, but there may well be a criminal investigation, and that would bring up a whole new set of cirucmstances.

  86. mick February 5th, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    how stupid are these guys to go to a clinic , where names are taken, to get their peds?

  87. jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    And, blake, if you need injectibles, go to someone who lasted, go to Keith Richards, don’t settle for anyone less.

  88. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Good to hear re: Rosenthal. Did he say it or write it somewhere?

    blake, I hope you and the kiddies feel better soon.

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    jmills February 5th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
    Linus Pauling took 10 000 mg vit C daily – go for it, blake. ( Might give you the runs, don’t fret it )
    ////

    Pauling was ahead of his time, and he paid for it.

  90. austinmac February 5th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Mick,

    The only thing that makes me question the story is, how could so many guys be so stupid to go to a place where a guy keeps records of illegal drug use? I doubt most drug dealers keep such records.

    Then, I realize these guys think they are invulnerable.

  91. mick February 5th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    it just shows you the arrogance that they think they are above it all and can do what they want and don’t care if caught.

  92. mick February 5th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    mac,
    they are just plain stupid.

  93. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    “true, but there may well be a criminal investigation, and that would bring up a whole new set of cirucmstances.”

    What a waste of money that would be.

  94. mick February 5th, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    maybe they feel everybody is doing it and its just a matter of time before they all get caught.
    what will mlb do then?
    kick them all out?

  95. pat February 5th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Rosenthal said it on MLB Network.

  96. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    “SI.com noted that one of the documents shows a purported doping regimen prescribed to Rodriguez that includes as many as 19 injections: four subcutaneous injections of IGF-1, nine shots of CJC (a growth hormone-releasing hormone) and GHRP (growth hormone-releasing peptide), and six shots of HGH at 2.5 international units.”

  97. Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    mick February 5th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
    maybe they feel everybody is doing it and its just a matter of time before they all get caught.
    what will mlb do then?
    kick them all out?

    ——————–

    Everyone is doing it mick from players to trainers hell some owners might be doing it.

  98. Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Hopefully none of other boys get caught up in this or the guy on PSD with the source is right again.

  99. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Thanks, pat.

    Odds, don’t forget Mrs. Clemens and Gio’s dad.

  100. Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Oh yea them too :)

  101. pat February 5th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    therealarieber
    @AndrewMarchand are the yankees going to try to void cervelli’s contract?

  102. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Odds, who is the PSD guy; someone on the Yankee forum?

  103. austinmac February 5th, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    If I represented MLB, I would try very hard to find a method, either under the CBA, or through public pressure to require the suspect players submit to an examination under oath. Like any sworn testimony, perjury can be a crime. The players would have a choice.

    It may not be possible, but it would be the most expeditious way to get the truth without subpoena power.

  104. mick February 5th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    “SI.com noted that one of the documents shows a purported doping regimen prescribed to Rodriguez that includes as many as 19 injections: four subcutaneous injections of IGF-1, nine shots of CJC (a growth hormone-releasing hormone) and GHRP (growth hormone-releasing peptide), and six shots of HGH at 2.5 international units.”
    ======================================
    Arod must want that HR record bad.
    He won’t get it here .
    If the Yanks go after him, he will beg to be traded.

  105. jacksquat February 5th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    I’m very sad now, because Jeter, Bernie and Mo took steroids. At least, according to JAP and YF they did, because everyone is doing it.

    (at least, that gets Melky off the hook, right?)

  106. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    ““true, but there may well be a criminal investigation, and that would bring up a whole new set of cirucmstances.”

    What a waste of money that would be.”
    ——————————————————————–
    a criminal conspiracy to distribute prescription drugs illegelly is not a waste of money in and of itself.

    the fact that DA’s overcharge and spend millions of tax dollars on stupid prosecutions is a total waste of money.

    but i agree there is a huge potential for crazy overprosecution here.

  107. austinmac February 5th, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    Mick,

    I do believe they are stupid. Especially the ones already caught.

  108. mick February 5th, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Everyone is doing it mick from players to trainers hell some owners might be doing it.
    ==============================
    Let the players have it written in the next CBA to make it legal, better yet a requirement.

  109. Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
    Odds, who is the PSD guy; someone on the Yankee forum?

    ————————-

    Yep he’s on the Yankee forum

  110. jacksquat February 5th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    Sorry

    JAP

    TSE

    my bad

  111. Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    mick February 5th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
    Everyone is doing it mick from players to trainers hell some owners might be doing it.
    ==============================
    Let the players have it written in the next CBA to make it legal, better yet a requirement.

    ——————————

    They can do that if they want.

  112. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    jacksquat February 5th, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    I’m very sad now, because Jeter, Bernie and Mo took steroids. At least, according to JAP and YF they did, because everyone is doing it.
    ____
    JS, please don’t twist my words to serve your own purposes. Thanks in advance.

  113. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    austinmac February 5th, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Mick,

    The only thing that makes me question the story is, how could so many guys be so stupid to go to a place where a guy keeps records of illegal drug use? I doubt most drug dealers keep such records.

    Then, I realize these guys think they are invulnerable.

    ————————–

    I thought the same thing.. I’m telling you, if these guys would have just watch The Wire they’d be safe. In fact, I bet all of the guys not getting caught have seen The Wire lol.

  114. cs in la February 5th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Cervelli? That sucks. He was terrible to begin with, on PED’s.

  115. austinmac February 5th, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Shame,

    I should have know you watched The Wire. You got game, girl.

  116. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    19 injections 2x per month x 6 months of the season x 4 seasons. what’s that?

    912 violations of the drug policy?

  117. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Anyone who thinks Jeter is thinking anything but, “Man that Arod is so stupid,” should think twice.

  118. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    When I first saw the report mentioned a Baltimore 3B I was hoping to have a reason to hate Machado…

    (Omar’s comin’ yo!)

  119. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    mac – Might be my favorite show ever.. definitely makes my top 3.

  120. Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    The Wire was a very good show

  121. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    But the real question: Are you guys excited to watch Youk show you his new swing tonight?

  122. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    “not for nothing but FRANCISCO CERVELLI doing PED is kind of funny…”

    It actually provides the foundation for the assertion that PED don’t PE.
    ——————-

    No it really doesn’t. PED’s don’t improve your skills, they give you the ability to recover faster from injury and fatigue so you can work out longer and harder and more often.

    Again, if PEDs didn’t do anything for players players wouldn’t do them.

  123. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    I suspect that GMs and managers take steroids too.

  124. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    net – lakers getting serious.

    (just waiting for youk’s ‘new swing’ special afterwards…)

  125. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    The umps have been on steroids for years.

  126. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 8:51 pm

    “true, but there may well be a criminal investigation, and that would bring up a whole new set of cirucmstances.”

    What a waste of money that would be.
    ——————–

    Yeah, why would the DEA want to investigate a company that may have committed several hundred crimes? Such silliness.

  127. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    After watching The Wire I am the most paranoid person in the world, I’m leaving trails everywhere…

    That said, if inner city gangsters were in charge of distributing PEDs, they’d have a much harder time catching these guys. These white collar criminals are a lot more c*cky and a lot less paranoid.

  128. Jerkface February 5th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Yeah, why would the DEA want to investigate a company that may have committed several hundred crimes? Such silliness.

    Prolly because its no longer in business and drug enforcement is a sham.

  129. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Yeah, why would the DEA want to investigate a company that may have committed several hundred crimes? Such silliness.

    ———————

    The DEA is stretched painfully thin..

  130. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    Rich -

    Your stance on this issue is so completely wrong. The steroid users aren’t the guys to blame, it’s the guys who are outing the steroid users, those who want to investigate the distributors and the members of the press who report on it that should be ashamed of themselves?

  131. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    Chip

    A-Rod’s stats in TX were really only noteworthy at home. Are saying that he only took that at home?

    2001

    Home: .361/.439/.677/1.116 (AB:253 HR:21)

    Road: .276/.359..567..926 (AB 257 HR:14)

    2002

    Home: .323/.403/.700 /1.103 (AB:313 HR:26)

    Road: .277/.381/.547/.928 (AB:319 HR:26)

    2003

    Home: .314/.407/.621/1.028 (AB:309 HR:26)

    Road: .282/.384..577/.961 (AB:298 HR:21)

    Or maybe the only effect was park effects.

  132. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Jerkface February 5th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Yeah, why would the DEA want to investigate a company that may have committed several hundred crimes? Such silliness.

    Prolly because its no longer in business and drug enforcement is a sham.
    ———————–

    The clinic might be shut down but that doesn’t mean that the people who worked there and were involved in narco trafficking (which is what this is) have moved on to selling cupcakes from food trucks.

  133. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    ” Jerkface February 5th, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Yeah, why would the DEA want to investigate a company that may have committed several hundred crimes? Such silliness.

    Prolly because its no longer in business and drug enforcement is a sham.”
    ——————————————————————————-

    do you think these people just went away and got jobs at 7-11?

  134. Jerkface February 5th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Investigate a clinic dealing HGH to rich people which is no longer even in business… or investigate a bunch of real drug dealers? Why wouldn’t they focus on an ‘anti-aging clinic’ that is actually still in business? Perhaps there are not even crimes committed? Maybe it is only in violation of MLB’s joint drug agreement, and not state or federal law.

  135. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Again, if PEDs didn’t do anything for players players wouldn’t do them.

    —————

    It’s interesting.. I’m not so sure that’s true either.. people do things all the time that they think help them but don’t. A few things coming to mind are those magnet necklaces, flu shots, ..makeup.

  136. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Chip

    I think the issue is nonsensical. I’m pro-drug as long as the only person being hurt is the user. Now, I do hate liars, so if you want to ban guys for that, I’m down.

  137. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Rich….

    Alex took steroids in Texas – he admitted to it. What’s you point?

  138. pat February 5th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Braun claiming he used Bosch as a consultant on his appeal last year and had no other relationship with him.

  139. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    Chip

    I think the issue is nonsensical. I’m pro-drug as long as the only person being hurt is the user. Now, I do hate liars, so if you want to ban guys for that, I’m down.
    ——————

    Silly me, I’m in favor of holding people accountable for breaking rules.

  140. jacksquat February 5th, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Everyone is doing it mick from players to trainers hell some owners might be doing it.

    Everybody does it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImLiQOaknMs

  141. pat February 5th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    “During the course of preparing for my successful appeal last year, my attorneys, who were previously familiar with Tony Bosch, used him as a consultant. More specifically, he answered questions about T/E ratio and possibilities of tampering with samples.

    “There was a dispute over compensation for Bosch’s work, which is why my lawyer and I are listed under ‘moneys owed’ and not on any other list.

    “I have nothing to hide and have never had any other relationship with Bosch.

    “I will fully cooperate with any inquiry into this matter.”

  142. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    So now flu shots are bogus?

  143. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Chip

    I said: It actually provides the foundation for the assertion that PED don’t PE.

    You said; Again, if PEDs didn’t do anything for players players wouldn’t do them.

    I’m asking you, if PEDs work, as you suggest, why did they only work for A-Rod at home in TX?

  144. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    MLB’s drug policy is not about prevention it’s about punishment. Kind of like speeding, people do it all the time, but if you get caught you need to be prepared to accept the penalties.

    As I said, I think contracts should have an out if a player is caught using steroids, but no out clause if you sign a known violator.

  145. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    “Silly me, I’m in favor of holding people accountable for breaking rules.”

    I am against stupid rules.

  146. theREALkevin February 5th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Braun played college ball at Miami. Clearly he has connections to the area. When you throw in his past PED incident, I’m not surprised at all his name showed up on those lists.

  147. pkyankfan69 February 5th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Cervelli lol…. True or not, that’s hilarious.

  148. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Chip

    I said: It actually provides the foundation for the assertion that PED don’t PE.

    You said; Again, if PEDs didn’t do anything for players players wouldn’t do them.

    I’m asking you, if PEDs work, as you suggest, why did they only work for A-Rod at home in TX?
    —————–

    Good, now go back and read what I said that PED’s actually do. You’re going to work out better, recover from injury faster and recover from game-to-game or workout-to-workout fatigue faster.

    Those things enable you to be in better shape and thus be a better player. I can’t hit a curveball – taking steroids isn’t going to change that; but it will enable me to get in better shape.

  149. jacksquat February 5th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    I see it now, that spike from 0 HR in 317 PA in 2010 to 4 HR in 137 PA in 2011. Gotcha Frankie.

  150. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    This one’s for Youk, who we will grow to love:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo

  151. Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Jerkface February 5th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
    Investigate a clinic dealing HGH to rich people which is no longer even in business… or investigate a bunch of real drug dealers? Why wouldn’t they focus on an ‘anti-aging clinic’ that is actually still in business? Perhaps there are not even crimes committed? Maybe it is only in violation of MLB’s joint drug agreement, and not state or federal law.

    —————————-

    Does this feel like a witch hunt to anyone else. Not saying this whole thing is made up but the list is out there and so far the only names released are baseball players. Yet it was reported college football, boxing, and tennis players are on it. The whole thing blows up with Ray Lewis and then the guy comes out and says the story was misinterpreted.

  152. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    “Silly me, I’m in favor of holding people accountable for breaking rules.”

    I am against stupid rules.
    ——————-

    The rule isn’t in place to protect MLB players. It is there because kids like Taylor Hooten die from taking steroids that they think are going to help them become professional athletes because they see steroid users cashing multi-million dollar contracts.

  153. Tar February 5th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Silly question I’m sure but If all these players were doing PEDS, how did their test’s not come back positive?

  154. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Jerkface February 5th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
    Investigate a clinic dealing HGH to rich people which is no longer even in business… or investigate a bunch of real drug dealers? Why wouldn’t they focus on an ‘anti-aging clinic’ that is actually still in business? Perhaps there are not even crimes committed? Maybe it is only in violation of MLB’s joint drug agreement, and not state or federal law.

    —————————-

    Does this feel like a witch hunt to anyone else. Not saying this whole thing is made up but the list is out there and so far the only names released are baseball players. Yet it was reported college football, boxing, and tennis players are on it. The whole thing blows up with Ray Lewis and then the guy comes out and says the story was misinterpreted.

    —————–

    OAA – It’s definitely getting crazier by the day.. I thought this would just die after they leaked Arod’s name, to be honest.

    Tar – See: Armstrong, Lance

  155. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    The rule isn’t in place to protect MLB players. It is there because kids like Taylor Hooten die from taking steroids that they think are going to help them become professional athletes because they see steroid users cashing multi-million dollar contracts.
    ======================
    BINGO!

  156. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Tar February 5th, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Silly question I’m sure but If all these players were doing PEDS, how did their test’s not come back positive?
    ———————

    Not a silly question.

    1. Masking agents
    2. Some of the drugs can’t be detected by urine tests – MLB and the PA have agreed to blood testing this season and going forward.

  157. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    “The rule isn’t in place to protect MLB players. It is there because kids like Taylor Hooten die from taking steroids that they think are going to help them become professional athletes because they see steroid users cashing multi-million dollar contracts.”

    That’s unfortunate, but I think parents are role models and responsible for their children. I don’t believe society has to make adults do things just so kinds won’t.

  158. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    They use masking agents, they can halt cycles, etc.. I don’t think they blood test for anything, either. Urine tests are easier to pass no matter what you’re testing for.

    They’re going to start doing HGH tests, but are they blood tests? And if so, I wonder if they’ll just test it for HGH and nothing else. Not sure how that works.

  159. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Oh, and the fact that Alex was spending 12k a month on steroids while serving as a spokesperson for the Taylor Hooten Foundation makes him a special kind of scumbag.

  160. jacksquat February 5th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Tar February 5th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
    Silly question I’m sure but If all these players were doing PEDS, how did their test’s not come back positive?

    There was no real testing for HGH previously, and apparently now there are PEDs that leave the system quite quickly, which means a low chance of getting caught.

  161. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    “Good, now go back and read what I said that PED’s actually do. You’re going to work out better, recover from injury faster and recover from game-to-game or workout-to-workout fatigue faster.”

    And you’re still not going to be a better baseball player.

  162. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    That’s unfortunate, but I think parents are role models and responsible for their children. I don’t believe society has to make adults do things just so kinds won’t.
    ==========================
    That may change when you have children.

  163. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    “Oh, and the fact that Alex was spending 12k a month on steroids while serving as a spokesperson for the Taylor Hooten Foundation makes him a special kind of scumbag.”

    Do you believe everything that you read in the media? Personally, I wait for objective corroboration.

  164. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    And you’re still not going to be a better baseball player.
    =========================
    Of course you are.

  165. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    “That may change when you have children.”

    That’s not happening. More importantly, it’s irrelevant.

  166. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    “Of course you are.”

    Prove it.

  167. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Eat it, Isles fans!

    Jmills, if you’re still within; my email is slow. Can’t get in right now.

  168. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    “The rule isn’t in place to protect MLB players. It is there because kids like Taylor Hooten die from taking steroids that they think are going to help them become professional athletes because they see steroid users cashing multi-million dollar contracts.”

    That’s unfortunate, but I think parents are role models and responsible for their children. I don’t believe society has to make adults do things just so kinds won’t.
    ——————–

    If you want to be a professional ball player than you’re not likely to follow the workout regimen of your teacher mom and lawyer dad.

    And adults should be able to follow the rules, the rules say “don’t do this.” According to you, steroids don’t do anything for the players, so why not just give them up?

  169. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Prove it.
    =======
    same to you.

  170. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    shame im pretty sure the players agreed to blood testing for hgh in the new cba.

    along with a salary cap.

    in exchange for an extra day off after the all star game.

    ….this is what killed marvin miller….

  171. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Rich –

    and if you don’t think ball players are role models then you’re a special kind of naive.

  172. Tar February 5th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    Thanks Shame, Chip, JS et al

    Didn’t realize they weren’t blood testing.

    I guess I need to educate myself on “masking agents and how to hide PED’s. Or……. so many better things to do with my time.

  173. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    That’s not happening. More importantly, it’s irrelevant.
    =================================
    You are not having children or it won’t change if you do?

  174. jacksquat February 5th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    That supposed Bosch list needs to be verified.

  175. Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    OAA – It’s definitely getting crazier by the day.. I thought this would just die after they leaked Arod’s name, to be honest.

    ———————————

    So did I

  176. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    “That may change when you have children.”

    That’s not happening. More importantly, it’s irrelevant.
    —————-

    No it isn’t. Parents struggle every day to keep their kids off drugs – it doesn’t make it any easier when a 16 year old sees a guy like Alex getting $300 million in part thanks to the use of steroids.

  177. Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    Guys it really depends on the player, what they take, what they eat, etc

  178. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    “If you want to be a professional ball player than you’re not likely to follow the workout regimen of your teacher mom and lawyer dad.”

    So everyone who wants to be a baseball player looks elsewhere for role models? That makes no sense. There are plenty of parents that sacrificed tons of hours to teach their kids. They realized that it would be a waste of time to pretend that things outside the family have more influence over the kids than they do.

    “And adults should be able to follow the rules, the rules say “don’t do this.” According to you, steroids don’t do anything for the players, so why not just give them up?”

    Adults can make up their own minds.

  179. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    “jacksquat February 5th, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    That supposed Bosch list needs to be verified”
    ===================================
    yeah, because why would anyone believe that arod, ryan braun and melky cabrera would ever cheat?

  180. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    arod and most other athletes could give 2 hoots about your children.
    they are role models like it or not.
    ever think why jeter is loved?

  181. blake February 5th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Brauns statement seems plausible….I really question the accuracy and validity of these reports….whole thing just seems shady.

    Anyway…. If all the Yankee catchers got suspended woukd it really matter?

  182. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    “Oh, and the fact that Alex was spending 12k a month on steroids while serving as a spokesperson for the Taylor Hooten Foundation makes him a special kind of scumbag.”

    Do you believe everything that you read in the media? Personally, I wait for objective corroboration.
    ————————-

    Nope I don’t – but in this case I’m not giving Alex the benefit of the doubt. But if it makes you feel better, “if Alex was spending $12k a month on steroids while serving as a spokesperson for the Taylor Hooten Foundation then he’s a special kind of scumbag.”

    Happy now?

  183. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    “No it isn’t. Parents struggle every day to keep their kids off drugs – it doesn’t make it any easier when a 16 year old sees a guy like Alex getting $300 million in part thanks to the use of steroids.”

    Right, parents struggle at home and have confidence in their parenting skills and values taught.

    Because one kid (or whatever number) did something tragic, everyone has to change their behavior? That turns freedom on its head.

    Most kids follow their parents, not strangers who don’t put a roof over their head and food on the table.

  184. austinmac February 5th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    If Braun’s lawyers confirm what he says, this proves nothing against him.

  185. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Adults can make up their own minds.
    ——————–

    Yup, and they have chosen to break not only the rules of their game but the law as well. So they should face the consequences.

    Thinking a law or rule is stupid is not a valid reason for breaking it.

  186. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    Nope I don’t – but in this case I’m not giving Alex the benefit of the doubt. But if it makes you feel better, “if Alex was spending $12k a month on steroids while serving as a spokesperson for the Taylor Hooten Foundation then he’s a special kind of scumbag.”

    Happy now?
    _

    I really don’t care. I’m merely pointing out a fact.

  187. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Because one kid (or whatever number) did something tragic, everyone has to change their behavior?
    =============
    What if that one kid was yours?

  188. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    “No it isn’t. Parents struggle every day to keep their kids off drugs – it doesn’t make it any easier when a 16 year old sees a guy like Alex getting $300 million in part thanks to the use of steroids.”

    Right, parents struggle at home and have confidence in their parenting skills and values taught.

    Because one kid (or whatever number) did something tragic, everyone has to change their behavior? That turns freedom on its head.

    Most kids follow their parents, not strangers who don’t put a roof over their head and food on the table.
    —————-

    You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

  189. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    ““Oh, and the fact that Alex was spending 12k a month on steroids while serving as a spokesperson for the Taylor Hooten Foundation makes him a special kind of scumbag.”
    ——————————————————————————-
    c’mon now, he was NOT taking steroids…

    …he would have been using steroids but they got really good and detecting them, so he was definitely NOT using steroids….

  190. Against All Odds February 5th, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    whole thing just seems shady.

    ——————

    Really shady when no other names are being released beside MLB players

  191. jmills February 5th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Hey, Alfred, I’ve just been flossing my teeth. I’m signing off, though, as there’s a BBC doc just out on the ’55 Le Mans disaster I want to watch, I’ll e-mail on the road tomorrow. Night all.

  192. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    “Yup, and they have chosen to break not only the rules of their game but the law as well. So they should face the consequences.”

    Or, they can hire lawyers and force the government (or relevant body) to actually prove their case.

    “Thinking a law or rule is stupid is not a valid reason for breaking it.”

    Worked for Ghandi and Mandela. Not saying the situations are the same, but as a general point, it’s not true.

  193. jacksquat February 5th, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    Most kids follow their parents, not strangers who don’t put a roof over their head and food on the table.

    Have to disagree. We’re talking about teenagers here. Singers, actors, athletes, etc. are everything to them.

  194. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    “Have to disagree. We’re talking about teenagers here. Singers, actors, athletes, etc. are everything to them.”

    You can never control what everyone does. You should have family, friends, teachers, coaches, clergy etc. to guide you. If that isn’t enough, there is nothing society can reasonably do to insulate you from temptation. And usually, if you do fall, and then get up, it makes you stronger. And when bad things happen later in life, you are more prepared to deal with them well.

  195. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    I think the debate regarding kids is tough..

    I think it’s in the same vein as complaints over sexy clothing on teenage singers. I don’t believe in the premise of that debate (neither do my parents for what it’s worth), so it’s hard to buy it in this one.

  196. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Ugh :arrow:

  197. mick February 5th, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    How can anyone speak for a parent when they are not one?

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