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Yankees ask for patience and promise support for Rodriguez

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 05, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Last night, Joe Girardi, Brian Cashman, Mark Teixeira and Mariano Rivera were among those who attended a hot stove event that raised money for Carlos Silva, a producer and engineer for Yankees games on WCBS radio. Carlos is fighting esophageal and stomach cancer.

I was out of town and couldn’t get to the event, but The Associated Press reports that Girardi once again said that Brett Gardner is a candidate to play center field, and both Girardi and Cashman said Chris Stewart and Francisco Cervelli are likely to compete for the starting catcher’s job. They indicated that Austin Romine is more likely to open the season in Triple-A. Rivera said he plans to once again shag fly balls during batting practice, even in the wake of last year’s injury.

A lot of the attention, though, centered on Alex Rodriguez. Sports Illustrated reports that Major League Baseball is in the process of following up on the most recent steroid allegations, and Brian Cashman has asked once again that no one rush to judgment.  

Here’s the Associated Press story from last night’s event.

NEW YORK (AP) — Sitting on a stage with their manager and GM during a fundraiser, Mariano Rivera and Mark Teixeira vowed to welcome Alex Rodriguez back to the New York Yankees following the latest drug allegations against the New York Yankees star.

Rodriguez is recovering from hip surgery expected to sideline him until at least the All-Star break. The Miami New Times reported last week that Rodriguez is included in records the paper claims show he bought performance-enhancing drugs from a defunct Florida anti-aging clinic. Rodriguez denied the charges.

“We have to embrace him. He’s our teammate,” Rivera said.

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said the team will wait for Major League Baseball to determine the truthfullness of the allegations, and manager Joe Girardi said there’s no way to tell whether the All-Star third baseman will regain his offensive production following him surgery.

“This involves some very nasty facts,” Cashman told about 150 fans at the Hard Rock Cafe in Times Square. “There needs to patience here as they thoroughly investigate this to determine the accuracy or inaccuracy, or where are there accuracies or inaccuracies in the story, and see if we can come up with what is fact and what are provable facts.”

“Everybody, they deserve due process and right now you have just a very nasty story,” Cashman added. “We’ll just have to wait and let it all play out.”

Rodriguez was among a half-dozen major leaguers accused in the report by the alternative weekly and could face a 50-game suspension. He admitted four years ago that he used PEDs while with the Texas Rangers from 2001-03, before MLB and the union started their joint drug program. He has denied using PEDs since.

“He wears that uniform, that New York Yankees uniform, and I have to go out and be there for him,” Rivera said. “Besides, he’s my friend and I will respect and wait for him to give you the answer that you want.”

Teixeira echoed Rivera’s thoughts.

“Just like Mo said, you support your family,” the first baseman said.

Teixeira spoke out against PEDs when asked about the rejection of all candidates in this year’s Hall of Fame vote, a group that included seven-time MVP Barry Bonds and seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens.

“As a sport, we’ve stood up and said enough is enough because there is no place for steroids in sports,” Teixeira said to applause. “It’s a little bit embarrassing to go up to somebody and have people talk about baseball, and the first thing they talk about is steroids. And I’m tired of it, frankly. So for the Hall of Fame, the No. 1 highlight of anyone’s career and what we all strive to become, for Hall of Fame voters to stand up and make a stand, I think that is a positive thing.”

Even before last week’s report, Rodriguez had lived through a tumultuous offseason following his repeated benching for lack of production during last year’s playoffs. A-Rod, who turns 38 in July, has not played a full season since 2007 because of injuries. It’s not clear whether he will report to spring training with the Yankees in Tampa, Fla.

“I’m not sure exactly where he’ll be from a rehab standpoint and where they feel the best place for him to be,” Girardi said.

He will watch Rodriguez’s progress from surgery but won’t predict whether A-Rod will regain the offensive form that led to three AL MVP awards and 647 home runs — 115 shy of tying Barry Bonds’ career record.

“We’re hopeful and we’re confident that he’s going to come back healthy but you’ve got to find out,” Girardi said. “There’s no guarantees when they cut you.”

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96 Responses to “Yankees ask for patience and promise support for Rodriguez”

  1. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Booooooooooooooo
    for stupidity alone. At least TRY not to get caught

  2. RadioKev February 5th, 2013 at 11:51 am

    Patience is one thing, but to embrace a liar and a cheater (if that’s what he is) is not a benefit to the Yankee brand and what the Yankees stand for. This locker room clearly does not police itself.

  3. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Good for Rivera and Tex. Until proven otherwise, the latest revelations are merely allegations. At a minimum, A-Rod deserves some type of due process.

    My best to Silva.

  4. DONNYBROOK February 5th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    “I HAVE to go out and be there for him”. MO says it all with that 1 word. Sounds like Hillary Clinton when that woman with the Beret entered the story.

  5. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    would the Yanks have won more or fewer WS titles if we had Youk as our 3B since 2004?

  6. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    “Mariano Rivera and Mark Teixeira vowed to welcome Alex Rodriguez back to the New York Yankees…

    “He wears that uniform, that New York Yankees uniform, and I have to go out and be there for him,” Rivera said. “Besides, he’s my friend and I will respect and wait for him to give you the answer that you want.”

    Teixeira echoed Rivera’s thoughts.

    “Just like Mo said, you support your family,” the first baseman said.”

    Guess the players aren’t as concerned about indicting Alex as everyone else seems. That kind of says it all.

  7. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    seems *to be

  8. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    just start the season already

    Yankee offseasons have become like watching a jury selection

  9. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    “As a sport, we’ve stood up and said enough is enough because there is no place for steroids in sports,” Teixeira said to applause. “It’s a little bit embarrassing to go up to somebody and have people talk about baseball, and the first thing they talk about is steroids. And I’m tired of it, frankly. So for the Hall of Fame, the No. 1 highlight of anyone’s career and what we all strive to become, for Hall of Fame voters to stand up and make a stand, I think that is a positive thing.

    The players need to back it up for it to carry any weight… without the MLBPA supporting the most stringent testing, I don’t give a lot of credence to statements like this from any player.

  10. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    “would the Yanks have won more or fewer WS titles if we had Youk as our 3B since 2004?”

    OPS+ A-Rod, Youk

    2004 131, 99
    2005 173, 113
    2006 134, 106
    2007 176, 117
    2008 150, 144
    2009 138, 146
    2010 123, 157
    2011 119, 123
    2012 112, 99

  11. austinmac February 5th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Hassey,

    I definately have seen more interesting jury selections.

  12. Cashmoney February 5th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    wake me up when the Rod is back and hitting. leave the hypothetical and discovery process to whom it may concerns.

  13. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    Rich in Joisey – Stats are stats, what’s your feeling about how we would have done with Youk instead of Alex?

  14. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Shame, I don’t either. Especially considering players routinely welcome players using PEDs back on their teams. There is a mixed message in there that seems to indicate that using isn’t some isolated incident, but is in the culture of the game. If “using” were more stigmatized then why would players welcome the “tainted” players back instead of ostracizing them? Seems like these player comments are always in response to a leading question by reporters but never solicited on their own, and usually not by players currently playing. I wonder why…

  15. DONNYBROOK February 5th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Actually, I enjoy watching a jury selection. Judging body language, voice pattern\pitch, and verbiage used, vs seeing what you get once deliberations start, is Very interesting. The Bonus being forecasting the Foreman. I had Hank Fonda pegged from the get-go. FAR more intriguing than picking Bushers based on numbers from a slash line.

  16. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Hassey

    Whatever has caused A-Rod to be the player he is/was, that player has been as good as any player in player in the game, at least until 2009. He is also a far better defensive 3Bman than Youkilis ever was.

    I don’t think it’s close. A-Rod was far better. Now, if you want to say that the Yankees could have used the old Youk at 1B, I might agree with you.

  17. RadioKev February 5th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    Shame, I don’t either. Especially considering players routinely welcome players using PEDs back on their teams. There is a mixed message in there that seems to indicate that using isn’t some isolated incident, but is in the culture of the game. If “using” were more stigmatized then why would players welcome the “tainted” players back instead of ostracizing them? Seems like these player comments are always in response to a leading question by reporters but never solicited on their own, and usually not by players currently playing. I wonder why…
    ————

    The mixed message is right in Mark Teixeira’s statement. It’s totally incoherent. You unconditionally support him because he’s family, yet if he’s guilty he’s an embarrassment to the game. OK there…

  18. Cashmoney February 5th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Tex is striving to become a better 250 hitter, I expect better power numbers and more walks out of him this year.

  19. Wave Your Hat February 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    It is absolutely mystifying to me why fans care about this stuff.

  20. austinmac February 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Teammates are placed in a very difficult spot. They may be playing with him in a few months so no one can throw him under a bus. I would ignore any public statements.

  21. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    “The mixed message is right in Mark Teixeira’s statement. It’s totally incoherent. You unconditionally support him because he’s family, yet if he’s guilty he’s an embarrassment to the game. OK there…”

    Isn’t that what people do when their friends or family mess up? You support the person but condemn the act.

  22. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Youk over Alex. LOL. You are kidding, right? Forgetting 2009, Alex was the MVP in 2005 and 2007. He was DOMINANT. Try even getting to the playoffs without him. And in 2005 playoffs, the Angels pitched around him and gave him ZERO to hit.

  23. RadioKev February 5th, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    “The mixed message is right in Mark Teixeira’s statement. It’s totally incoherent. You unconditionally support him because he’s family, yet if he’s guilty he’s an embarrassment to the game. OK there…”

    Isn’t that what people do when their friends or family mess up? You support the person but condemn the act.
    ————

    With family it’s definitely by varying degrees, but these guys are coworkers. They’re not bonded by blood. They’re bonded by duty. And if A-Rod is guilty, they don’t have to support him.

  24. DONNYBROOK February 5th, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    Some of you either do Not have family, or do NOT deserve family.

  25. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    “With family it’s definitely by varying degrees, but these guys are coworkers. They’re not bonded by blood. They’re bonded by duty. And if A-Rod is guilty, they don’t have to support him.”

    You can’t understand taking this type of position until and unless it is determined by some type of fair process that he actually did what is alleged?

    There are plenty of people out there who are hanging A-Rod based on anonymously sourced media reports.

    Who would like to be judged solely based on that?

  26. RadioKev February 5th, 2013 at 12:22 pm

    austinmac February 5th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    Teammates are placed in a very difficult spot. They may be playing with him in a few months so no one can throw him under a bus. I would ignore any public statements.
    ———

    I can agree with that, but I also highly doubt anyone would set the tone in the clubhouse and tell A-Rod, and everyone else, that it’s not OK. It’s not OK because it’s undermining the game, but also on a team level these guys could miss playing time because of suspension.

  27. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    He won one WS for us. Would we have won more or less with Youk, based on Youk’s playoff production? Hard to know, but I’d guess anythign Youk did would have helped more than Alex in all but 2 playoff runs.

  28. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Why would a teammate welcome Alex back if he is a cheater and it is a black eye on the game/team? Why not say you love the guy, and you will remain friends with/support him but under the circumstances, you wouldn’t be able to welcome him back? It is an interesting question, and not so simplistic as people here are making it. Obviously, the culture of baseball isn’t so black and white.

  29. 4 NYY February 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    A-Rod is certainly due, that’s for sure.

    Didn’t ya’ just love it when he asked for the woman’s number in the playoffs ? Real classy.

  30. RadioKev February 5th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Well, I don’t take issue with A-Rod’s teammates not condemning him and asking for patience, but they don’t have to respond to these questions. Jeter didn’t.

    Why make a statement of unconditional support now?

  31. DONNYBROOK February 5th, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    For Joe 6 Pack to comment on the culture inna MLB Clubhouse defies logic. You gotta be part of it, to Know what that entails.

  32. pat February 5th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    “Isn’t that what people do when their friends or family mess up? You support the person but condemn the act.”

    This.

  33. 4 NYY February 5th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    It’s obvious to me the Yanks don’t want him back, they want that insurance $$$ and who can blame them. They’re tired of his antics.

  34. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 12:26 pm

    “He won one WS for us. Would we have won more or less with Youk, based on Youk’s playoff production? Hard to know, but I’d guess anythign Youk did would have helped more than Alex in all but 2 playoff runs.”

    This isn’t basketball where one player can demand the ball and dominate play.

    No matter what, A-Rod gets up 4-5 a game. As yf said, they may not even gotten to the playoffs some years without him. I’m not sure why you think a much inferior player would have done better.

  35. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 12:28 pm

    I’m not arguing for Youk. I’m just asking opinions.

    I am curious about one thing, tho – in what years would we have missed the playoffs if we only had Youk’s numbers at 3B instead of Alex’s?

  36. DONNYBROOK February 5th, 2013 at 12:31 pm

    You also have to factor in Youk Not being on the R\Sox. The Johnny Damon Double Whammy.

  37. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    RadioKev February 5th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
    Shame, I don’t either. Especially considering players routinely welcome players using PEDs back on their teams. There is a mixed message in there that seems to indicate that using isn’t some isolated incident, but is in the culture of the game. If “using” were more stigmatized then why would players welcome the “tainted” players back instead of ostracizing them? Seems like these player comments are always in response to a leading question by reporters but never solicited on their own, and usually not by players currently playing. I wonder why…
    ————

    The mixed message is right in Mark Teixeira’s statement. It’s totally incoherent. You unconditionally support him because he’s family, yet if he’s guilty he’s an embarrassment to the game. OK there…

    ———————

    Absolutely.

    I fully understand it, don’t get me wrong. Normally, when someone you know does something you consider to be despicable, you tend to defend them based on what you know of them personally. I get that completely. But to follow it up with stuff like ‘I’m tried of hearing about it’… well.. too bad. Every member of the MLBPA is culpable. They’re a big reason why this conversation won’t die.

    One of my favorite quotes: “Every piece of this is man’s bullsh*t. They call this war a cloud over the land. But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say ‘Sh*t, it’s raining!’”

  38. 4 NYY February 5th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    I’ll never understand why ppl say we couldn’t have won without someone.

    If we don’t have a certain player, there would always be someone in his place and we have no idea who that would have been or how he would have performed.

    Team game, of which pitching is the main vehicle.

  39. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    And how does Youk’s contributions help us to even get to the playoffs? Also if you watched the playoffs, Alex actually hit well in 2004 playoffs until that end part where the whole offense disappeared. In 2005, he was completely pitched around in the Angels series. He should have taken his walks and not swung outside the zone. In 2007, he hit the ball well except for vs. Carmona. And playoffs are a sss, so…

  40. AAA February 5th, 2013 at 12:34 pm

    Why would a teammate welcome Alex back if he is a cheater and it is a black eye on the game/team?

    =============================

    Counterproductive not to?

    If you believe the doctor who performed his surgery, there’s better than 50% chance Rodriguez will be with the team at some point this summer. Teammates treating him as a pariah when he returns serves no good purpose that I can see.

  41. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    what’s sss?

    I know we all hate the Sox, but we can’t ignore what Youk did there. He had some pretty good stats in most seasons, which I’m sure would have somehow helped us just a little to make the playoffs.

  42. RadioKev February 5th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Keith Law and MLB.com rank Austin ahead of Heathcott.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....ist-82065/

  43. AAA February 5th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    In 2005, he was completely pitched around in the Angels series. He should have taken his walks and not swung outside the zone.

    ==============================

    He did. His OBP was .430+ for the series. Walked 6 times in 22 PAs

  44. AAA February 5th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    sss = short sample size

  45. Duh Innings II February 5th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    The Yankees should leave A-Rod on the disabled list forever or until he accepts a buyout of half his remaining salary.

    NO to him collecting another $6M for reaching HR #660 he is 13 HR shy of or $24M in bonuses after that bonus for reaching HRs #714, #755, #762, and #763.

  46. AAA February 5th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    The Yankees should leave A-Rod on the disabled list forever or until he accepts a buyout of half his remaining salary.

    ===========================

    There’s this thing known as the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Under same, what you suggest is prohibited.

  47. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    But is it considered despicable by fellow ball players? That is the million dollar question. Do we believe Conte and those GM’s who say 75% use or what is the percentage? Is that one of the reasons why players are complicit? We just don’t know. If it were considered so despicable, then why not lifelong bans from the get-go or at the least a 100 game ban the first time around?

  48. RadioKev February 5th, 2013 at 12:39 pm

    Josh Norris ?@jnorris427
    MLB’s top 20 #yankees are out: Sanchez, Williams, Austin, Slade, Banuelos, Hensley, Gumbs, Montgomery, DBJ, Zoilo, Flores, Campos ….

    Josh Norris ?@jnorris427
    … Ramirez, Turley, Mitchell, Marshall, Warren, Romine, Betances, Kahnle. #yankees

    Romine WAY down there on the MLB list. Warren ahead of him. That’s interesting… Also Bichette Jr is ranked way higher than expected.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    He won one WS for us. Would we have won more or less with Youk, based on Youk’s playoff production? Hard to know, but I’d guess anythign Youk did would have helped more than Alex in all but 2 playoff runs.
    ///

    Alex Rodriguez, great as he is – i.e. a level of great Kevin Youkilis has never and will never remotely approach – just wasn’t able to pitch for the Yankees in 2004, when we were short on LHP to deal with Boston’s LHBs. We were actually lucky to have been up, 3-0, and would have closed it out, most likely, even for that, if Rivera’s relatives had not been electrocuted in his swimming pool in Panama; if Joe Torre would have actually attempted to manage in the series, plus numerous other reasons. Almost the entire team’s bats suddenly went cold. A lot went wrong over those final four games.

    Alex pretty much beat the Twins by himself to get us there.

    Now, in 2005, we didn’t have much pitching and they didn’t pitch to Alex in that series against the Angels, and I don’t see how Alex could have prevented Bubba and Sheff’s collision.

    2006, we had zero pitching. Nothing Alex could have done about that. Jaret Wright and Randy Johnson…. :roll: Even Mussina pitched poorly in that series, and as a Yankee fan who was at the games, Damon made some awful turns in CF in Yankee Stadium.

    Youkilis is now a Yankee. Nothing I can do about that. He was a good player 3 years ago. Let’s hope he can revive the player he was, though I’m not counting on it.

  50. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    sss, got it.

    But Alex has 1106 playoff ABs – how is that a sss? good overall #s but we all know those have come in bunches (well, the good stretches have come in small bunches anyway)

  51. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    “He did. His OBP was .430+ for the series. Walked 6 times in 22 PAs”

    True, but he batted .133 and acknowledged that he got nothing to hit at all, and should not have swung at pitches outside the zone. If you recall his AB’s he was chasing pitches throughout that series.

  52. AAA February 5th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    But is it considered despicable by fellow ball players?

    ===================================

    Don’t know? DUI sure seems like no problem for anybody and that’s far more despicable.

  53. 4 NYY February 5th, 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Yanks now advertising partial plans for sections 322 and 323.

    Don’t they know I can’t make it from way our here in the west ? Lol

  54. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Hassey, I am not going to compare playoff stats to a string of regular season AB’s. They just aren’t comparable. If they were, teams would pay their players based on short sample playoff production, but they don’t because it wouldn’t make statistical sense to do so. It is one thing to condemn Nick Swisher’s playoff AB’s, but condemning Alex’s considering the successes he has had just seems uninformed and unproductive.

  55. 4 NYY February 5th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Conte and Canseco were more honest than prolly anyone.

    Even McGuire came clean finally. I have respect for him now.

  56. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    4 NYY, are they still considered Jim Beam seats or did they cut prices? I am assuming the former, and if so they are still delusional about fans wanting to pay those prices.

  57. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    4 NYY February 5th, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    I’ll never understand why ppl say we couldn’t have won without someone.
    ///

    I don’t think she said we couldn’t have won without “someone,” I thought she said we couldn’t have won in 2009 without Alex Rodriguez :D

    She’s right: we could not have.

  58. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Well, let’s swap Youk for Alex, and see how many more WS the Red Sox would have won. People sure missed a great career in pinstripes in the revisionist history version.

  59. 86w183 February 5th, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Is Tony Harding’s husband (Jeff Gilooly) out of prison?

    Maybe the Yanks can pay him to pay Alex a visit

  60. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Remind me never to get into a foxhole with some of these “trueblue” fans.

    Youkilis, a hated Red Sox player, hasn’t had one AB in pinstripes and he’s now a better player than Alex friggin’ Rodriguez, who suddenly had no real impact on whether we won or lost in 2009.

    That’s it for me today.

  61. Rich in NJ February 5th, 2013 at 1:04 pm

    “Well, let’s swap Youk for Alex, and see how many more WS the Red Sox would have won. People sure missed a great career in pinstripes in the revisionist history version.”

    It’s as if A-Rod had some secret formula for steroids that he unleashed on MLB, and but for him the sport would have been clean.

  62. 4 NYY February 5th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    4 NYY, are they still considered Jim Beam seats or did they cut prices? I am assuming the former, and if so they are still delusional about fans wanting to pay those prices.

    ====================

    $50 per seat in 323. Not sure about the other without delving into it. I only know from the e-mails Yanks send. Only attend Angels games when Yanks come to town or go with a group of people from baseball teams here that go.

    They’re all delusional, if you ask me ! Parking $$$ is even ridiculous.

  63. 4 NYY February 5th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
    Well, let’s swap Youk for Alex, and see how many more WS the Red Sox would have won. People sure missed a great career in pinstripes in the revisionist history version.

    =========================

    $ 85 in 322

  64. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 1:24 pm

    “I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers, on baseball-reference, which I’m pretty sure is accurate, ichiro’s career OBP is 4 points HIGHER against lefties (.364 vs RHP, .368 vs LHP), and my argument was based on the fact that Ichiro was playing like the old Ichiro, so I used numbers to reflect that.”
    =========================
    im getting my #’s from baseball reference, and im looking at last year’s #’s. using lifetime stats for a 38 y/o player is less than accurate imo.

    and again, you conceded that resting ichiro was part of the reason he looked like “the old ichiro” but you continue to argue that he shouldnt be rested and especially against lefties where he doesnt even obp at a .300 clip.

    in fact, he never hit like ‘the old ichiro’ and never will again. and you will see him sit regularly going forward.

    mostly against lefties.

  65. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Why does everything here have to turn into such a heated argument? It’s just a blog, so there’s no way to win just because you have the loudest voice. Take a quelude.

    All I’m saying is that Youk has some good stats and Alex has some good stats (aided or not), and I would be curious to see (like in an old Marvel “What If” comic book) what would have happened to the Yanks since ’04 if Youk was here instead of Alex. The Yanks may have very well played GREAT, but been bounced by the Alex-led Red Sox. But it’s just a questions. Yeesh

  66. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Thanks 4 NYY; I see now why the 323′s are $50; they’re for the 9 game weekday plans, which will be easy to get for peanuts on the secondary ticket sites. Those are good seats though.

  67. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    Hassey, heated argument? I thought it was a discussion. :)

  68. Chip February 5th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Nationals are signing Chris Snyder to a minor league deal; further greasing the wheels for the team to trade Kurt Suzuki who would be a nice pickup for the team if Romine’s not ready.

  69. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    would we have won more WS with Kurt Suzuki or Austin Romine?

  70. Mike in Harrisburg February 5th, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Keep in mind these guys are also part of the same union.

  71. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    “Alex pretty much beat the Twins by himself to get us there.”
    ———————————————————-

    you mean alex AND dr. bosch….

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Hard to know, but I’d guess anythign Youk did would have helped more than Alex in all but 2 playoff runs.
    ///

    This is a statement, not a question. You’re entitled to make statements and express your opinion; so are we all. But it’s just off the wall. Alex Rodriguez is in a select group of all-time elite players. My incredulity is the comparison between the two players, and the unfounded assumption that Youk “would have helped more” in playoff runs.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    “Alex pretty much beat the Twins by himself to get us there.”
    ———————————————————-

    you mean alex AND dr. bosch….
    ///

    Here’s something that you may just have to accept: Alex may have used repeatedly and Alex, whether he did or did not, is one of the greatest baseball players ever. He also was a key figure in the 2009 World Championship we won. No Alex, no championship. If you want to spit on that, be my guest. But Alex was The Man in 2009 for the pinstripes.

  74. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 5th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    Interesting, interesting – two points of note from the RAB post on Keith Law’s Top 100 rankings.

    Number 1 – “He’s filled out quite a bit in the past three years,” wrote Law, “with more than 200 pounds on his 6-3 frame, and will work at 94-98 mph with big-time life and a hard mid-80s slider.”

    Now as some of you may know following the Stoneburner Project for the past year, there was a incident of certain snobbish/elitist posters rushing to proclaim Ramirez king of all changeups from date leaned from another site – but this project called them out on their “rush” to post data about Ramirez and that it was the “slider” and if Ramirez could get that down – that would elevate him – I am glad to see that Keith Law enforces the Project’s view of that rushed post by that poster and closes the door on Jose Ramirez that it is his slider that will be the key – - – -

    Number 2 – “four top-60 and five top-110 prospects is pretty darn good for the Yankees considering some of the pitching injuries this year and the fact that they’ve muffed some recent first round picks. Heathcott (first round) and Sanchez ($3M bonus) were high-profile additions, but Austin (13th round), Williams (4th round), and Ramirez (unknown but small bonus) were all shrewd pickups who have developed well.”

    What is intersting about this opinion is that it refutes the lohud comment complainer (notice that a complainer is not necessarily an elitist/snob – two different types here) that the Yankees do not spend enough of amateur talent and are letting a bunch slip their fingers – but this list above proves that you can obtain talent from all over, that the Yankees did spend big on Sanchez, but also found diamonds in the rough in the 13th round and from the lesser bonus amounts of the July 1st IFA signings in Austin and Ramirez – - – -

    This is Stoneburner, reporting from self-exile on Ceti Alpha V, with the wax poetic minute – - – -

  75. pat February 5th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Calcaterra’ed

    “That aside, this insistence on direct, personal on-the-record statements is pretty rich from a guy who based his “The Yankees are going to dump A-Rod” story last week on anonymous team sources. ”

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......um=twitter

  76. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    It’s not off the wall to compare a juiced A-Rod since 2004 to Youk since 2004. Not saying anything more than that. Not saying Youk is better, just saying Youk would have done at least some good things too for any team. My opinion is that Youk would have been very helpful during that time. Nothing unfounded about an opinion. Can we move on now?

  77. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Sure. I can also say the Felix Doubront is better than Sandy Koufax.

    Doesn’t make it credible. Besides, you didn’t bother to answer my points on why we lost in those years, so go twist :)

  78. jacksquat February 5th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    I didn’t see anyone say that Youkilis was better than Rodriguez.

  79. Nick in SF February 5th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    “Hassey, heated argument? I thought it was a discussion.”

    You might need to adjust your filter settings. ;)

  80. Jerkface February 5th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Now as some of you may know following the Stoneburner Project for the past year, there was a incident of certain snobbish/elitist posters rushing to proclaim Ramirez king of all changeups from date leaned from another site – but this project called them out on their “rush” to post data about Ramirez and that it was the “slider” and if Ramirez could get that down – that would elevate him – I am glad to see that Keith Law enforces the Project’s view of that rushed post by that poster and closes the door on Jose Ramirez that it is his slider that will be the key – – – -

    Jose Ramirez rated as having the best change up in the system by baseball America. MLB.com’s pipeline: Ramirez took a step back with a subpar 2011 season, but has bounced back with a solid 2012 campaign. His fastball can touch the mid 90s at times, and he’ll throw a very good changeup and a slider to go along with it.

    Go back to space.

  81. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    He is better than Koufax, who is now 77.

    When did you try to make a point(s)? If you did, I’m sorry. A long time ago I stopped trying to agree with, argue against or even acknowledge all the points on here. The blog should be more like a dugout than a legal brief.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Hassey,

    In summary: 2004 we had no LHP to combat Boston LHB. 2005 our pitching wasn’t great, Alex really was pitched around by the Angels, and Bubba ran into Sheff in the outfield. 2006, Jaret Wright and Randy Johnson put us in huge holes and the pitching just didn’t give the lineup a chance. I don’t see what Youkilis’ magic could have done to avert those things, nor how Alex could have done much about them.

    Any how, no hard feelings, I hope. I just find it interesting that its open sesame on every Alex achievement around here.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    LOL, open season.

  84. Shame Spencer February 5th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out if all three incarnations of Stone are actually stuckey..

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Hey, Sandy was “aided” by the higher mound. Doubront isn’t ;).

  86. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    JAP dude – I never have hard feelings

  87. Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    If I knew how to hug you with an emoticon, I would

  88. Jerkface February 5th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out if all three incarnations of Stone are actually stuckey..

    Stuckey was much smarter, and less crazy. He went out of his way to not be crazy, where as Stoneburner goes out of his way to appear more and more crazed as he buys into his own gimmick. Plus Stuckey was never the type to willfully misunderstand things so he can keep up a gimmick.

  89. Nick in SF February 5th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out if all three incarnations of Stone are actually stuckey..”

    When I read this, it makes me wonder if you and blake and randy have the tinnest of tin ears, because I cannot fathom why soneone would create the Stoneburner persona when it doesn’t even work for Stoneburner.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Jose Ramirez rated as having the best change up in the system by baseball America. MLB.com’s pipeline: Ramirez took a step back with a subpar 2011 season, but has bounced back with a solid 2012 campaign. His fastball can touch the mid 90s at times, and he’ll throw a very good changeup and a slider to go along with it.

    ///

    Ramirez threw practically all change ups and fastballs when I saw him in Lakewood about 2 1/2 years ago. His change was dynamite, and his fastball had bite and it seemed he could put it anywhere he wanted to. He had Lakewood off balance all day long. What’s up for dispute here? Whether he throws a changeup? Or a plus changeup?

  91. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    JAP dude – I never have hard feelings
    Hassey February 5th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    If I knew how to hug you with an emoticon, I would
    ///

    Heh. Good man.

  92. Jerkface February 5th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Ramirez threw practically all change ups and fastballs when I saw him in Lakewood about 2 1/2 years ago. His change was dynamite, and his fastball had bite and it seemed he could put it anywhere he wanted to. He had Lakewood off balance all day long. What’s up for dispute here? Whether he throws a changeup? Or a plus changeup?

    Stoneburner has been haranguing yankeefeminista by saying she confused ‘plus changeup’ with ‘power changeup’ from pinstripesplus. Despite many sources saying he has a plus change up (which coincidentally is a power change up!). Just one of the things he likes to whip himself into a frenzy about, despite being 100% wrong.

  93. privy823 February 5th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Arod needs to man up not only about peds but many things in his life. He is done in my book as a Yankee and as a Yankee fan he will be reminded at every at bat he is not wanted here. I’m sure many feel the same way.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock February 5th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    JF,

    Thanks. She saw the same outing I did. Yeah, his change is not exactly a secret.

  95. yankeefeminista February 5th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Ramirez’s fastball and change were always plus to plus plus. That’s why I didn’t want him to be relegated to the pen, and talked up his stuff. I said as far back as 2010 that he needed the secondary pitch to be legit/a prospective starter. Is this somehow news? I thought it was too early to give up on a kid with such tremendous stuff. That slider is the pitch that replaced the failed slurvy curve from 2010. J-Ram tried but he couldn’t spin a regular curve, so failed curve and slurvy curve turned into his current slider legit slider. What exactly is the problem here; I didn’t read the original text, just the follow ups. Thanks, guys, but consider the source…

  96. Ys Guy February 5th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    “Alex may have used repeatedly and Alex, whether he did or did not, is one of the greatest baseball players ever. He also was a key figure in the 2009 World Championship we won.”
    =========================================
    1) i assumed alex has been cheating since before his mlb debut so there is no change there.
    2)he is also going to go down as the biggest cheater in baseball history
    3)his contract with the yankees will stand for decades as the worst contract in sports history.
    4)his performancs in 2009 will forever stain that championship year
    and
    5)however good a baseball player alex was, he is going to be remembered more for being a fraud and a cheater than for anything he did ON the field.

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