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Mariners reportedly agree to seven-year deal with Felix Hernandez

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 07, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

According to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, the Mariners have agreed to a seven-year, $175 million contract with ace Felix Hernandez. Seattle general manager Jack Zduriencik has repeatedly shot down speculation that the Mariners might try to trade their ace, and making Hernandez the highest-paid pitcher in baseball history is a pretty convincing way for Zduriencik to put his money where his mouth is.

So, to answer the question one last time: No, I do not think the Yankees are going to be able to trade for Felix Hernandez.

And, no, I don’t really believe this is the last time I’ll have to answer that question.

 
 

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83 Responses to “Mariners reportedly agree to seven-year deal with Felix Hernandez”

  1. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    This deal is really dumb. They still had Felix for 2 more years and the actual extension part of the deal (2015+) is absurdly overpriced at around 27 AAV.

    Why would you do an extension where you pay a premium??

  2. Irreverent Discourse February 7th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    I would say a contract like this makes it MORE likely that he will eventually get traded to the Yankees (or the Dodgers, apparently). Just not this year.

  3. G. Love February 7th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    ID,

    That was my first thought when I saw it moments ago. That he’s going to lose velocity soon and the Yankees will trade the entire system for him. They just signed him to our extension, lol.

  4. Irreverent Discourse February 7th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    Jerkface – The only reason you pay this premium is to resign the player before he becomes a free agent. They wouldn’t have been able to outbid everyone if they waited another 2 years. They have essentially had to buy out that worry.

  5. blake February 7th, 2013 at 2:53 pm

    blake says:
    February 7, 2013 at 2:49 pm
    @Joelsherman1: arbitration and wins to protect #Mets 11th pick. Don’t sense Commish Office relenting to help NYM because 1) would mean changing rules (con)

    @Joelsherman1: week b4 spring training 2) Selig doesn’t want to be seen as favoring pal Fred Wilpon yet again 3) Commish Office doesn’t want to aid Boras
    @Joelsherman1: Possible Commish Office could change wording of rule if gets give back from union elsewhere, but more likely would be solved in arb #Mets

  6. blake February 7th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    “Why would you do an extension where you pay a premium??”

    Why woukd you sign like 10 DH bats?

  7. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Jerkface – The only reason you pay this premium is to resign the player before he becomes a free agent. They wouldn’t have been able to outbid everyone if they waited another 2 years. They have essentially had to buy out that worry.

    Uh they gave him 27.X AAV, how could they not have outbid anyone? Generally when you do an extension 2 years from free agency the player is giving up money for long term security. In this case the Mariners took allllllllllllll the risk and got nothing.

  8. Irreverent Discourse February 7th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    jerkface – I imagine it also means they think their farm system will peak at the major league level and make them cheaply competitive within the next 7 years.

  9. blake February 7th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    @Joelsherman1: This is my HUNCH not hard reporting: #Mets in 3-yr $30-$35M range for Bourn, Boras wants to top Victorino AAV ($13M), Pagan terms (4-$40M)

  10. kd February 7th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    somewhere kershaw is smiling. if felix gets 7/175, he’s getting 8/210 from the dodgers

    felix has cost himself millions and a lot of wins by staying in seattle. in the old days, george would have given him arod’s contract. at 27 he would have been in line for a 10 year deal

  11. blake February 7th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    DB (Greenwich)

    do you think the Mets pick should be protected if they sign Bourn? In the spirit of the rule, bottom 10 teams get their pick protected it should be.
    Klaw (1:27 PM)

    I agree with their argument but don’t like the idea of changing the rule on the fly because one team doesn’t like it.

  12. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    blake – I don’t think it’s about one team.. no team in that position would like it, so they might try to change the precedent now.

  13. blake February 7th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Zack (Syracuse)

    ETA for Gary Sanchez?
    Klaw (2:39 PM)

    2015 at the earliest.

  14. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    jerkface – I imagine it also means they think their farm system will peak at the major league level and make them cheaply competitive within the next 7 years.

    What folly the dreams of men

  15. Irreverent Discourse February 7th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    jerkface – “Generally when you do an extension 2 years from free agency the player is giving up money for long term security.”

    You really don’t think someone would outbid $27.5m AAV for 5 years when Felix, seemingly the best pitcher in baseball, hits free agency? (remember in free agency years tend to outbid dollars)

    I’d say he is leaving some money on the table… certainly 2 or 3 years of contract… and the security he is getting is on his 1600IP. He’ll also be a FA again at 33 now instead of 35-36, which can more than likely net him another decent contract.

    I don’t know… seems to make a lot of sense on all sides if winning is not a concern.

    “What folly the dreams of men”

    A fairly jaded stance considering the environment and topic… :)

  16. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    I now hope he never, ever becomes a Yankee.

  17. pat February 7th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    TBTimes_Rays
    Guessing @DAVIDprice14 will notice MT @BNightengale Felix Hernandez on verge of 7-year, $175M contract w/ #Marinershttp://usat.ly/Wx39Xr

    DAVIDprice14
    @TBTimes_Rays @BNightengale Monopoly money?? That isn’t real…

    :lol:

  18. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Felix is no longer the best pitcher in baseball and I don’t see why a declining velocity Felix Hernandez would score 27.x AAV on the open market. With contract inflation he may have got that, but there is no reason for the Mariners to give him that is the point. They had 2 years to see if Felix’s recent velo issues are a thing and they gave that up to give market or better.

  19. yankee21 February 7th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    This deal has really no upside for SEA while posing significant downside.

    Tough to do that but I guess SEA proved it too could negotiate stupid contracts too!

  20. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    Hernandez is still a very fine pitcher, but I do see signs of slippage, particularly in his velocity. I would not have wanted the yankees to enter into this contract.

  21. jacksquat February 7th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    How is 7/175 a 27.5 aav?

  22. Irreverent Discourse February 7th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Jerkface – Sorry I completely disagree. Felix is one of the top… 3 pitchers? Along with Kershaw and Verlander? Who is #1 and who is #3 is certainly debatable, but his place among the elite pitchers in the league is not. No one else in the league is even close to these guys.

    Felix’s velocity is not actually declining, firs tof all he’s 26… his fastball is the only pitch that has dropped (2mph) in velocity over his career. That only means he’s not using it to blow past guys anymore, because he’s becoming a better pitcher. If his velocity was declining his slider would be losing velocity too.

    They are paying for 5 years of 2013 market value, instead of bidding against other teams for 2015 market value.

  23. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    How is 7/175 a 27.5 aav?

    The actual extension portion of the deal is at 27 AAV. They already owed Felix 39 mil for 2 years. They tossed an extra 135.5 mil for 5 years on top of it for no reason.

  24. blake February 7th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    In 10 years maybe the Mariners will trade him to the Yankees for a DJ mitchell

  25. Irreverent Discourse February 7th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    “They tossed an extra 135.5 mil for 5 years on top of it for no reason.”

    No, the reason is very obviously that they are paying 135.5mil for 5 years instead of 170mil+ for 6+ years for a FA contract in 2015.

  26. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    That only means he’s not using it to blow past guys anymore, because he’s becoming a better pitcher.

    Thats why his 2 best most elite seasons came when he was throwing 94 mph??? They still had Felix for 2 years. They had no reason to do such a stupid, money wasting extension this season.

    It seems like JackZ is doing this because he can’t do anything else, and wants a splash.

  27. Hassey February 7th, 2013 at 3:16 pm

    the M’s will soon be forced to trade King for Pineda

  28. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    The Mariners pitch in a cavernous pitching park and they just locked up 25-30% of their budget on this guy. Not smart.

  29. Irreverent Discourse February 7th, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    jerkface – “his 2 best most elite seasonhis 2 best most elite seasons”

    He pitched better in 2012 than he did in 2010 (lower HR rate, better K rate, lower BB rate)… so he obviously doesn’t rely on throwing 94.

  30. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    “In 10 years maybe the Mariners will trade him to the Yankees for a DJ mitchell”

    I hate the circus.

  31. Nick in SF February 7th, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Jack Z isn’t doing this for no reason, he’s doing it to keep the Astros in last place in the new AL West Jumbo Division.

  32. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    ” he’s going to lose velocity soon and the Yankees will trade the entire system for him.”
    =================================================
    like they did for johan santana?

  33. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    He pitched better in 2012 than he did in 2010 (lower HR rate, better K rate, lower BB rate)… so he obviously doesn’t rely on throwing 94.

    Got way more ground balls and ground ball outs in 2009 and 2010, because he had such overpowering stuff. Ground ball rate has been declining since then along with his velocity. Meanwhile, league K rate and BB Rate have declined since those years, so his marginal increases in both categories are more likely league effects rather than actual improvements. So he gives up an extra 1-1.5 hits per 9, hits more likely to go for extra bases.

  34. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Unlike his pathetic handing of PEDs, this is a triumph for Selig. Some small market teams have become big spenders and some large market teams have become reluctant to spend.

  35. Irreverent Discourse February 7th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    jerkface – some of those hits are ground balls a better defense would field too, did he have a better defense behind him in 2010 (kotchman figgins wilson lopez) than in 2012 (smoak ackley ryan seager)? I say decidedly yes.

    We are talking about miniscule difference here as well, less than 10 hits over a full season? To say he was any sort of worse that you would actually worry about at this point is nitpicking just a little bit.

  36. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    @Deadspin

    Ray Lewis’s deer antler spray was another imaginary drug scandal: http://deadsp.in/2ROCvk2

  37. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    @Buster_ESPN

    So now that Felix got $175 million, one of these three guys is set up to be the first $200 million pitcher: Verlander; Kershaw; or Price.

    ——————

    Price is probably the guy that most likely hits the market out of that bunch.

  38. jacksquat February 7th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    How is 7/175 a 27.5 aav?

    The actual extension portion of the deal is at 27 AAV. They already owed Felix 39 mil for 2 years. They tossed an extra 135.5 mil for 5 years on top of it for no reason.

    Is this really different than you (iirc) advocating signing Josh Hamilton to a 5/large deal? Hamilton is at least as risky as a pitcher, and this is only for Felix’ 29-33 seasons while Hamilton was signed for ages 32-36.

    Are you just angry that Felix won’t be available?

  39. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Are you just angry that Felix won’t be available?

    No, I just think its a dumb deal and I wanna crack on Jack Z every chance I get. I would not advocate signing Felix were he a free agent, because he has pitched so much for so long that he is due to get injured.

  40. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    “be the first $200 million pitcher”

    Do MLB teams still claim that they are losing money?

  41. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 3:35 pm

    Rich,

    Only the Yankees have financial issues. Where have you been?

  42. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 3:36 pm

    the mets claimed to have lost $60M or so in 2011 and supposedly something near that last year.

    of course, who knows how much of that they make back on SNY.

  43. Irreverent Discourse February 7th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    The RedSox obviously cleared all that money last year so they could give Lester $200mil next season

  44. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    austinmac

    I think there’s some takers and makers thing going on here. ;)

    (disclaimer: trust me, this isn’t meant to be a political statement)

  45. pat February 7th, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    Felix taking the big bucks before they move in the outfield walls. Nice!

  46. PacoDooley February 7th, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
    ” he’s going to lose velocity soon and the Yankees will trade the entire system for him.”
    =================================================
    like they did for johan santana?
    ————————————————

    They tried to – and would have lost out big time in that deal.

  47. jacksquat February 7th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    And looking over Felix’ numbers the past 4 years, I don’t see his performance going down, not the things he can control.

    2009->2012

    k% 22.2 23.2 23.0 23.8

    bb% 7.3 7.0 7.0 6.0

    gb% 53.4 53.9 50.2 48.9

    xFIP 3.37 3.14 3.15 3.20

    Seems remarkably consistent and impressive to me.

  48. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Can we frame it this way instead?

    The Mariners = Extending players (even when they don’t need to!).

    The Yankees = Not so much.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 7th, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    “Trisha, remember always, ” the mind is like a parachute,it has to be open to work”!

    Wishful thinking in the absence of fact and logic may be the stuff of dreams but rarely leads to success.

    Otherwise kind thoughts to you.”

    comnsnse, my mind is open. If it were not, I would have jumped aboard “the sky is falling in” train and agreed that all is lost and the Yankees will not come out of this looking like a baseball team of which we can all be extremely proud! You see, the absence of fact and logic feels very real to a lot of folks here because the Yankees haven’t shared any information to cause them to think otherwise. But common sense tells me that they will continue about the business of running a successful baseball team without feeling the need to send a group email to Yankee fans, enlightening them as to the organizational work product or behind-the-scenes discussions. Some fans might go through the entire process feeling nauseous, but hey, that’s a choice. You are acting as if there is no way out, and that is just not the case.

    I respect your right to believe that things are bleak and will only get more bleak, if that is what you are feeling. Please respect my right to believe that this decision tree has more than one branch and that the Yankee organization cares enough to put out a team that can win. It may not be the team of which your dreams are made, but it doesn’t mean that the team they put out there can’t win.

    And kind thoughts back to you. We all hope to be in the same place when all is said and done, so we all have the same goal.

    Here’s a thought for you, putting this into a very micro perspective that hopefully can be expanded into a macro perspective with respect to your feelings about the organization. There have been times here when people have gone haywire over things and have been ready to lynch Girardi. My nature is to counsel patience and look for possible alternative explanations, so I never jump aboard the hysteria ship. Well Girardi in his post game remarks has explained reasons for doing things that folks here hadn’t considered – or were not privvy to information tht caused him to make a decision – such as dealing with a player injury of which fans were not aware. The absence of “fact” and logic caused fans to jump to the wrong conclusion.

    The macro perspective for me is that just because fans here cannot imagine how things can work out in 2014 and 2015, it doesn’t mean that things aren’t happening behind the scenes and that discussions about exactly how things are going to work are not being had. IMO, the problem is that fans feel entitled to know everything that’s going on, and that’s not how it works – nor should it work that way. There are very good reasons for keeping things close to the vest, not the least of which is to keep the opposition off balance and not show your hand before the time is right.

    We’re not going to know how this season works out until we do. But with the rotation we have, the potential to go all the way is very much there.

    The faith of a mustard seed can move mountains. My faith is not blind, unlike what many here may think. I just don’t scare easily. If the Yankees had a rotation that was falling apart and no chance of hitting, I could see pushing panic buttons. But it just isn’t the case. So you proceed with optimism, cautious optimism, if that’s better for you, but optimism.

    :)

  50. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 4:03 pm

    Shame

    It’s odd too, because the original Jeter extension and the one to Cano were terrific strategic decisions that should have served as a model for how they do business.

  51. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    Trisha,

    No arguments with you. Optimism, whether for good reasons or not, is not a bad thing.

    However(you knew there would be a however or a but didn’t you?), I would be much happier if we had some young MLB players on the team who would still be there in 2014. My point has been they should have been working toward the cost effective movement. Instead, it feels like they are waiting to see what happens.

    No doubt the Yankees don’t tell me anything they are thinking. The problem is in the current roster makeup they don’t have a team for 2014, and, as we know, there are not many good free agents coming up even if we spent the money.

    I still would like someone to suggest a plan they could follow. Maybe there is one that I don’t see. I sure hope there is.

  52. comet February 7th, 2013 at 4:07 pm

    I’m late to the party – what did Schilling say?

    TIA!

  53. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 4:08 pm

    Comet,

    Schilling suggested some in the Boston front office implied he should try to recover in 2008 by using PEDs.

  54. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 4:17 pm

    Rich – True story. I think they just shifted gears too quickly two off seasons ago.. they had the opportunity to extend Cano then and shot Boras down. They’re going to pay dearly….

    And Jeter.. does anyone think Jeter won’t be the vindictive type of he has a great year this season?? Man, I hope he does. It will make for absolute great entertainment. Chad said in the last chat that he thought if Jeter opted out the Yankees would give him the ‘Bernie treatment.’ I think that’s laughably off base, and we all know how much I loveeeee Chad.

  55. comet February 7th, 2013 at 4:22 pm

    Thanks austinmac!

  56. Nick in SF February 7th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Didn’t Boras joke about the Yankees not picking uo Cano’s option two off-seasons ago?

  57. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    “the bernie treatement’ is that where you pay a guy two years past his usefull baseball life?

  58. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    The Yankees have already shown they will readily play hardball with Jeter. I expect it will get ugly next year. The budget is more important than winning or legacy. They told him to look elsewhere when they didn’t have the overriding cap desire. Imagine what they will do next year when every dollar means more to Hal than life itself.

  59. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    ” They told him to look elsewhere”
    ————————————————
    …when his people claimed to be insulted by the $15M offer.

  60. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Shame

    With regard to Jeter, I happened to catch Francesa over lunch (what?…anyway) and he said that he expects the Yankees to really put the focus on Jeter far more than they have in recent years in order to offset the PED stuff and also because the offense may be down due to the lost HR, and spotlighting him could serve as a diversion from that.

    I have no idea if he understands the mechanics of his option and the accompanying cap/tax ramifications, nor do I know if this is something he is speculating on, or whether he heard it from a Yankee source.

    But the consequences of that, along with, as you suggest a great year, would almost certainly be to impose a significant financial cost on the Yankees at a time when it could be difficult for them to absorb it (in baseball accounting terms, not real dollars).

    And yes, no way Jeter gets the Bernie treatment (which was a little more nuanced than the chat would indicate).

    You’re one of his girls!!!!

  61. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 4:35 pm

    Ys,

    That is when they said that. Jeter will not give them a team friendly deal. He will demand full value, and the team won’t have much money and it will have to be parsed out very carefully. Time will tell how they value the contributions of a nearly 40 year old shortstop.

    Dealing with aging icons is a difficult issue. The desire to get under the cap will make it more difficult. I do think it will be very sticky. Do they not pay Jeter to have $25M for Cano? Do they not add a pitcher because they spend money on him?

  62. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 4:38 pm

    At this point, the negotiations that took place last time are a moot point for everyone but Jeter.

    He’s got all the leverage if he delivers a good year. There is no one in the minors, the Yanks don’t seem to be trading or trying to acquire and young SS talent, and he was one of the highest performing players on the team last year offensively.

  63. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    personally i dont think jeter is under any obligation to take one penny less than he thinks he’s worth. playing for the yankees and playing in NY are tough even though the rewards are great, AND the yankees have profited handsomly from thier association with Mr. Jeter.

    At the same time, jeter’s people played hardball, too last time, and it seems that it was forgotten and buried as soon as it was settled.

    i have no problem with tough negotiations with jeter because we all know in the end, he’ll be back.

    as for whether they can afford him, that depends a whole lot on what they do with cano.

    but that’s not jeter’s problem.

  64. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    That’s why if they traded Granderson and Cano (and if they aren’t going to keep him, Hughes too), you could possibly get 4 or 5 (maybe more) high ceiling, cost-controlled, young players/prospects who would make the transition to austerity far easier, and along with their own prospects, set them up to have a chance to be really good again within two years.

    Taking a step back now is a small price to pay for that, imo.

  65. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    Rich – That’s an interesting caveat.. as it stands now, Jeter is the Yankees’ all-time career leader in hits, games played, and stolen bases. If they are going to try to keep the focus on him, it might make it even easier for Jeter to opt out.

    If the guy is hitting anywhere near his numbers from last year (.316 /.362 /.429 /.791), the Yankees aren’t gonna have a leg to stand on in those negotiations. He was the second best producer on our club!!

  66. jacksquat February 7th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Signing Jeter does not have to mean not signing Cano, nor vice versa.

  67. Pat M. February 7th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Tricia……Stay warm and be safe and make certain you have cash on hand in the event the power goes out. Regarding the Felix contract, I’d be happy with both him and the note.

  68. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    They would also have more money to spend on free agents/trades for veterans by then, and maybe the one thing that would motivate Tex to waive his no-trade is the prospect of playing on a team that isn’t going to make the playoffs at this stage of his career.

  69. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    At the same time, jeter’s people played hardball, too last time, and it seems that it was forgotten and buried as soon as it was settled.

    ——————-

    They played hard ball without much leverage… imagine what they can do WITH leverage!!

    Scary stuff. I think the Yanks really believed that last deal was it for Jeter. I can’t blame them, I thought the same thing. He had a monster bounce-back. Monster.

  70. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    im with you rich, i have advocated trading those three this offseason.

    however to do so would be more or less concedeing this season, which they obviously don’t want to do.

    things could change one way or the other depending on what happens between now and july.

  71. Wave Your Hat February 7th, 2013 at 4:46 pm

    Let Jeter have the good year first, then worry about the contract.

  72. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    “Signing Jeter does not have to mean not signing Cano, nor vice versa.”

    Of course not, but that’s not the point. The point is how many good players can you add if you have to give Jeter and Cano big contracts in addition to their pre-existing $75m to A-Rod, CC, and Tex.

    Not many.

  73. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    jacksquat February 7th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Signing Jeter does not have to mean not signing Cano, nor vice versa.

    —————–

    Agreed. It might just mean no more Hughes. The biggest problem is the way they structured Jeter’s deal.. if he opts out, it costs them whatever the new AAV is and additional money from the prior deal.

  74. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    i dont know that jeter or the yankees have alot of leverage.

    jeter has no place to go. dont try selling me that it wont hurt his image to go somewhere else.

    and the yankees can’t possibly tell him , sorry not interested.

    so once again they are ‘stuck’ with one another.

    hopefully both sides see this and come to an agreement even before the end of this season.

    some kind of year-to-year option to carry him to the end of his career hopefully.

  75. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 4:49 pm

    Having an excuse to look at Jeter’s numbers, I’d like to add: they are pretty insane.

  76. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    Jeter is/has been a great statistical player. Those who mostly focus on his “intangibles” are really dissing him by overlooking his offensive greatness at SS.

  77. Nick in SF February 7th, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    Shame, left you a question below re: Cano/ Boras, in case you missed it.

    If you didn’t miss it, carry on. ;)

  78. jacksquat February 7th, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
    “Signing Jeter does not have to mean not signing Cano, nor vice versa.”

    Of course not, but that’s not the point. The point is how many good players can you add if you have to give Jeter and Cano big contracts in addition to their pre-existing $75m to A-Rod, CC, and Tex.

    Not many.

    Jeter is going to be 40 in 2014. Mo and Andy are on one year deals now, Jeter can/should be also at age 40. He might get a 2 year deal if he has an exceptional 2013, but I suspect the Yankees will insist on only 1 year deals from 2014 forward.

    The Yankees still have a decent amount of money left to spend even if the sign Cano and Jeter (if necessary). I know the figures so please don’t post them… Some people try to make it seem worse than it is by saying xx players for only $xx left when a lot of those xx players will be very cheap or dirt cheap (minor leaguers). Fwiw I think the Yankees will try very hard to keep Cano unless the Dodgers go extreme.

    Also, I am wondering if not trading Nunez and bringing Cito Culver to spring training (although I don’t think he should be there) is the Yankee way of saying “we have options” (even if you don’t think they are real options).

  79. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Nick in SF February 7th, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Didn’t Boras joke about the Yankees not picking uo Cano’s option two off-seasons ago?

    ———————–

    Oh this one?? Sorry, I missed it. Boras talked this off season about how he approached the Yankees last off season about an extension.

    Last off season I think there were reports about it, and how the Yanks shut Boras down. I don’t have any links right now but maybe someone else remembers.

  80. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    Don’t post them? OK, what’s the point of discussing anything.

  81. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    This is amazing:

    @YankeesJesus

    #ThrowBackThursday Me and @baldvinny in the bleachers. pic.twitter.com/rIw9rdMX

  82. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    :arrow:

  83. comnsnse February 7th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    Trish, not to belabor the point but optimism as must pessimism should contain fact with logical deduction from fact.

    My pov is based on observation, contemplation and arriving at a pov consistent with known fact. The facts presently are exactly what I noted leading me to conclude my position is reasonable with respect to opinions.

    After all in the end all is supposition until it happens on the field.

    Interesting chatting with you and most definitely stick to your opinions,you make a worthy adversary. ;)


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