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Pinch hitting: Nick Kirby

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Our next Pinch Hitter is Nick Kirby, a 20-year-old sophomore at University of Delaware. He can be heard on UD’s radio station as part of a weekly sports talk show and as a color commentator for football and men’s basketball. Although he’s originally from Pennsylvania, Nick says he roots for the Yankees because his dad is from Long Island and used to take him to Yankees games as a kid.

Nick is studying health sciences, and he isn’t giving the Yankees a very good diagnosis.

A year ago I wrote about how I thought the culture of the Yankee front office was undergoing a complete makeover. Some people disagreed, but suddenly the words “budget cuts” and “luxury tax” were being tossed around by ownership on a daily basis. I wrote that the Yankees were taking a new approach, that they were done overpaying for expensive free agents and would start developing their own quality prospects at a higher rate.

I was right in predicting that the Yankees were done with serious spending, but I was wrong when I said that this new strategy would lead to success.

Trying to get under the $189 million mark by 2013 is a slap in the face to the loyal fans who deal with outrageous ticket prices and $11 beers. Forbes values the Yankees at over $1.8 billion, but they are leaving glaring holes in their roster for what? To save $50 million in luxury taxes? The Yankees have always charged a little bit more for tickets, concessions, and parking. We, as Yankee fans, could accept it. We accepted it because we knew the team was doing EVERYTHING it could to field a winner.

George Steinbrenner used to say that winning came second after breathing, but Hal, Lonn Trost, and Randy Levine seem to think that profit comes before winning. Winning at all costs is no longer a priority for this management team. This ownership group has more money than it will ever know what to do with, yet it continues to shop for free agents with a coupon-cutting style that is maddening to many fans. The Yankees won’t spend a couple million dollars on a starting catcher, but they want us to spend a thousand dollars on a lower-level ticket, $40 to park, and $11 for a beer.

Besides being more businesslike, this ownership group is completely out of touch with the fan base. During Games 1 and 2 of the ALCS against the Tigers, there were visible pockets of empty seats. Instead of reducing ticket prices and trying to solve this problem, ownership responded by raising the ticket prices for many sections for 2013, including the bleachers. The Yankees offer of us a steakhouse, sushi and reclining seats. Most of us just want a hot dog, a cold drink, and a good view of the game.

The front office could have done so much more in fielding a championship team for 2013. While they were smart in passing on troubled star free agents like Greinke and Hamilton, they were way too conservative in other areas. For starters, the Yankees still don’t have a starting catcher. They were so concerned with getting the payroll under $189 million for 2014 that they refused to re-sign Russell Martin, who slammed 21 home runs and was beloved by the Yankees pitching staff. Even with letting Martin go, the Yankees still could have avoided giving out a multi-year deal by signing AJ Pierzynski, who is left-handed, hit 27 home runs last season, and would have been a perfect fit for Yankee Stadium. Instead they showed no interest, and he signed for one year and $7.5 million with the Rangers, a team that gives the Yankees fits.

In addition to not having a starting catcher, the Yankees also lack a right-handed-hitting outfielder. I wasn’t crazy about Andruw Jones, but this is a glaring hole that needs to be filled. Delmon Young, Ryan Raburn, Ben Francisco, Cody Ross and Scott Hairston were all passed over by the Yankees. None of these players are going to Cooperstown, but they would have been sufficient in filling in the outfield or at DH against a lefty like Jon Lester or David Price.

The Yankees let Rafael Soriano walk for two years and $28 million, even though he did an amazing job filling in for Rivera. Is it fair to expect Rivera to be dominant at 43 coming off of a torn ACL? Soriano would have been a fine set up man and spelled Rivera for a few saves, as well as provided extra insurance in case something happened to Rivera. Instead, the Yankees will have to pray that Rivera somehow defies logic and has another dominant season at 43. They will do this without a backup plan.

All of the stinginess and outrageous prices would probably be fine with Yankee fans if the player development department had the slightest idea of how to draft and develop young talent. A few years ago the “Killer B’s” were touted as star prospects. Andrew Brackman is gone, Manny Banuelos is recovering from Tommy John surgery, and Dellin Betances has serious control and maturity issues. The Killer B’s are officially the Killer Busts. The Yankees haven’t developed an all-star position player since Robinson Cano in 2005, and they haven’t developed a reliable, durable starting pitcher since Andy Pettite broke into the big leagues in 1995.

In April, Yankee Stadium will come alive again. The Yankees will send the oldest roster in baseball onto the diamond. We will file in off the subway, spend $40 on food and drinks, and sit down in our seats. Ownership will be up in their luxury suite, adding up the profits and smiling about another year of revenue pouring in.

We will continue to shell out small fortunes for this team. But should we?

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121 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Nick Kirby”

  1. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 9:03 am

    mlb has no ability to put braun or arod on any stand.

    Florida’s DA’s and the DEA may or may not be investigating Bosch.

    (many outlets say there is no indication of any probe while the DN said the DEA is investigating)

    cacique and braun may end up being called to testify if this progresses.

    but MLB has nothing to do with that.

  2. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 9:06 am

    “for what? To save $50 million in luxury taxes?”
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    by lowering their payroll under $189M for two seasons, they will save certainly more than $100M and likely closer to $200M.

    now it’s not my money but by any standard, that is a significant amount.

    just ask calique!

  3. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 9:08 am

    This guest post makes me want to kill myself. Good morning everyone!!

  4. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 9:14 am

    Who knows what Hal and Levine are really thinking, but they seem to be willing to put the austerity cart before the ML ready, cost-controlled, high ceiling young players horse is ready to pull it.

    So unless it is a bluff, they need quantum leaps of development and injury recovery from Pineda, Banuelos, Heathcott, Austin and others, and maybe the fountain of youth for their aging/declining veterans.

    I doubt that Hal and Randy the businessmen would bet much on all of that happening, but that is what they are asking fans to do (metaphorically).

  5. pat February 7th, 2013 at 9:16 am

    “MLB has no power to put anyone before a grand jury. That is a stupid comment.”

    and the kind of thing that makes the reporting of this so dishonest. Lupica knows that. He also knows that if the government did put them in front of a grand jury, MLB has no right to access to the testimony they would give.

    MLB cares about the players but the government would be more interested in Bosch if they were interested at all. Convene a grand jury, give the players immunity and agree to sealed testimony, use their testimony to get Bosch to agree to a plea deal. Make MLB the government doesn’t do the leg work for private corporations.

    That’s how it worked with Galea.

    Alex’s statement was pretty well written to cover the holes the NYDN thinks exist.

    “The news report about a purported relationship between Alex Rodriguez and Anthony Bosch are not true. Alex Rodriguez was not Mr. Bosch’s patient, he was never treated by him and he was never advised by him. The purported documents referenced in the story — at least as they relate to Alex Rodriguez — are not legitimate.”

    He stops short of saying he doesn’t know Bosch and says the facts released were not true as they pertain to him so what holes are poked in his statement.

  6. Nick in SF February 7th, 2013 at 9:18 am

    “So no more mail on Saturdays huh?”

    That could help Ryan Braun beat the rap, again. :neutral:

    Nice guest post, Nick!

  7. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 9:22 am

    pat – Great post.

    I’m still very confused… I heard the newest report featuring Braun and Cervelli was unrelated to the previous report regarding Arod. Is that the case?

  8. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Ii is not implausible to think that Bosch fabricated a list of MLB players as patients to use a a bargaining chip with prosecutors if he was ever investigated.

  9. pat February 7th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    I don’t pay $6 for a drink unless it’s got alcohol in it.

    teixeiramark25 Just found my new favorite drink @thejuicepressny. pic.twitter.com/q2dcbDKp

  10. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 9:27 am

    Wait, wait, wait. Tex is paying crazy markup for actual bottled beverages? I thought the juice press was some device which pressed fruits to extract their juices? I’ve misunderstood the juice press this entire time!

  11. Nick in SF February 7th, 2013 at 9:28 am

    No, Tex wants you to pay the markup.

  12. pat February 7th, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Shame

    Braun and Cervelli came from the same document but New Times says they didn’t give it to Yahoo so someone else could have the info and is handing it out in pieces now which could explain the slow drip of names.

  13. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 9:36 am

    shame,, that was not correct.

    the allegations against braun, cervelli and montero all come from the same source material that New Times used for the report on arod (and drug mule) , melky and cruz.

    but the NT chose not to use the names of braun cervelli and montero because there was no indication in the notes of what types of treatments or products these players got while the arod/yuri and melky’s entries in the notes included specific PED drugs (hgh, testosterone and that deer antler spray)

    other outlets including SI.com, yahoo sports and the daily news published these other names after the NT chose to leave them out of their reporting.

  14. nateb February 7th, 2013 at 9:38 am

    Great Post. Agree with everything you said, except for signing A.J. Pierzynski. That guy is hated everywhere he goes. Also appreciate Ys Guy’s point about saving up to $200 million. I understand that, but the way they’re doing it is sorta like stopping “cold turkey.” And in our case, the fans are the ones who take the beating.

    But don’t worry, they’ll sign Cano to a contract for some ungodly amount of dollars and years, and we’ll get to watch him age as disgracefully as we’re watching Tex and Arod age. I would love to be wrong, but I really see Cano aging very badly.

    I live in Cleveland, but was born in New York. Went to Yankee Stadium first time for a game in 2012. The aura was awesome; the game experience really average for all the reasons mentioned in the article. Want to have a good game experience in a great place to watch a game? Go watch the Yankees play the Indians in Cleveland. Good ballpark, great experience, food’s cheaper than NYC. Peace

  15. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 9:45 am

    pat February 7th, 2013 at 9:25 am

    I don’t pay $6 for a drink unless it’s got alcohol in it.

    ————————————

    :lol:

    pat is on her game today people!!

  16. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    its important to point out that nobody that i read published any allegation that cervelli/montero actually bought or used any PED’s

    the reports all just said that their names appear in the notes the link arod and melky to PED purchases and treatments.

    people may well link the two reports in their minds, and some columnists might be pointificating the meaning of PED usage by cervelli or montero, but so far nobody that i read has accused them of buying PED’s from the clinic.

    that’s just suspicion by association.

  17. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    Thanks guys.. this is still very weird. I wanna know who commissioned the initial investigation. It doesn’t seem to be the DEA and there were a few reports saying MLB only started investigating the investigation when they were informed by the Times.

  18. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 9:47 am

    It is getting harder to find $6 drinks even with alcohol. :(

  19. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Thanks guys.. this is still very weird. I wanna know who commissioned the initial investigation. It doesn’t seem to be the DEA and there were a few reports saying MLB only started investigating the investigation when they were informed by the Times.

    The New Times put it together. I don’t think it was commissioned by anyone.

  20. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 9:51 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....-1.1250257

  21. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    this whole thing apparently started with the New Times investigating or coming into possession of the clinic notes and them contacting player’s agents and teams for comment on what they had.

    the DEA doesnt always announce investigations or why or when they start, but it does seem that any investigation by them probably started after the NT aquired the documents.

  22. Out Pitch February 7th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Finally, a post that I can relate to. Judging by the other comments, “the band played on.”

    Seriously, Mr. Kirby brings up the biggest story of the last couple of years: management is putting profits before product. Probably not a good long term strategy.

    Also, as he notes, if their strategy is truly to be competitive with a lower payroll (sounds reasonable, right?) why have they done such a poor job in the last several years, with their farm system?

    Great post. It’s honest, incisive and gets to the core of the problem.

    Our only hope (IMO) is that management gets the message sooner rather than later, so we don’t have to sit through a dreadful season or two. Ultimately, though I believe management will have to change to create the revenue they’re looking for.

  23. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Or New Times is being used by someone with their own agenda.

  24. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 9:58 am

    This is a post I can agree with as the team has punted on additions that could have had long term benefits at competitve pricing. The team has a shot this year, but in 2014, if they stay under the cap, little chance to compete. They have half a team to fill in one off season, and many of the holes are very critical ones.

  25. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 10:03 am

    I do think the New Times article does have some support for the documents as some have admitted involvement. It certainly isn’t conclusive but warrants further investigation. Until then, we must wait. Arguing the end result is like arguing the end result of an at-bat with only one pitch thrown and taken.

    The much bigger issue is the one brought up by our poster. What will the end result be of profit trumping team? We have seen the results by the team passing on so many players we previously would have been interested in.

    The new reality is the A’s regularly outbid the Yankees, and they are a team barely staying economically afloat.

  26. David in Cal February 7th, 2013 at 10:05 am

    I basically agree with this post. In a way I don’t blame the Yanks for putting money first, if getting under $189 million in 2014 will save them $200 million. That means probably not making the post-season inf 2013 and certainly not in 2014. Here’s my concern. After 1 or 2 seasons of mediocrity, do the Yanks have a sound, long-term plan to be dominant again? I’m not sure.

    Well, so far they haven’t traded any prospects this year. That’s a good start. That seems like a part of a plan to build from within. However, if they trade a valuable prospect or prospects for a RH outfielder, then it will look as if they have no plan, but are just winging it.

  27. comnsnse February 7th, 2013 at 10:06 am

    Outstanding analysis by Kirby using facts and logic. About the only comments I would slightly disagree with were about the available RH outfielders.

    I continue to believe that all this cost cutting is a prelude to the sale of the team. The Steinkinder are not true baseball fans and the era of private ownership by one man is over.

    Most pro sport’s franchise are now purchased solely as investments with the brass ring being owning their over air rights.

    Baseball and other pro sports have simply become product to fill air time for commercial sponsors.

    The true fan and romantic longing for the good old days as always must settle and sadly understand an aphorism the Roman’s gave us, “Cui bono”….who profits!

  28. Tackelberry February 7th, 2013 at 10:07 am

    But don’t worry, they’ll sign Cano to a contract for some ungodly amount of dollars and years, and we’ll get to watch him age as disgracefully as we’re watching Tex and Arod age. I would love to be wrong, but I really see Cano aging very badly.

    ________________________________________________

    I think thye’ll draw the line with Cano at 7 years. Especially with what they’ve seen their investment with Arod turn into. If the Dodgers want to come along and offer Cano a 10 year deal, the I think the Yanks say bye bye!

  29. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 10:09 am

    A few years ago the “Killer B’s” were touted as star prospects. Andrew Brackman is gone, Manny Banuelos is recovering from Tommy John surgery, and Dellin Betances has serious control and maturity issues. The Killer B’s are officially the Killer Busts.
    ///

    Whoa, there Nick!

    Congratulations on your second piece in here, most of which is right on, but:

    Manny Banuelos turns 22 in March.

    He was in AAA last year.

    He’s also on some folks’ top 5 in the Yankee system, if you go in for that stuff.

    BA has him in the top 10.

    Why on earth does he get the “official bust” label from you??

    I’m also wondering where Betances has “immaturity” issues? If you have some link about that, I’d be interested to read it, I really would, because Betances’ problem, as I have understood it, is pretty much that he’s 6-9. Never heard anything negative about his attitude, and you know how the Yankees like to deal dirt on their own guys who have “attitude” issues, even if they’re still teenagers: someone’s always available to drop those little bombs, it seems. Even Cashman likes his work ethic. Like I said, if you have some info on this, please don’t hold back; I might have missed something recent???

  30. blake February 7th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Guest poster gets 189 million gold stars

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    …btw, forgot to mention Manny is already back throwing after TJ surgery…. can we give him a little more time, perhaps to become an “official” anything?

  32. blake February 7th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    I still believe in Banuelos….he’s very young still and TJS has an excellent prognosis. For all we know the command issues that popped up last season could have stemmed from his elbow all along….,I still have very high hope for him long term

  33. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    If they are going to draw lines with Cano, then trade him now. It would have the potential to significantly shorten the reloading process and ease the transition to austerity. Smart baseball people pick a lane. The Yankees are trying to drive down the center of the road and that often results in a crash.

  34. Tackelberry February 7th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Brackman is the only 1 of the 3 who is a bust right now. Jury still out on Banuelos and Betances. However, if Betances doesn’t put it together this year, then we may be able to lable him a bust

  35. Tackelberry February 7th, 2013 at 10:14 am

    Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 10:12 am
    If they are going to draw lines with Cano, then trade him now. It would have the potential to significantly shorten the reloading process and ease the transition to austerity. Smart baseball people pick a lane. The Yankees are trying to drive down the center of the road and that often results in a crash.

    _____________________________________________

    Problem is Yanks probably not going to be able to get fair value for Cano becuase he is a FA after the season and teams know its going to take a monster offer to resign him.

  36. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    As I posted recently, look what the Mets got for a few months of Beltran and a near 40 year old Dickey. They could pull off a great trade. And move Granderson too.

  37. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    Yeah they’re not busts yet.. but their value has certainly taken a big hit. If there was ever talk about moving either one for a piece we need, that’s not even an option at the moment. Maybe his use of the word ‘bust’ wasn’t meant to imply they’d never make it, but is a products of the hype machine (high expectations can basically frame a career.. look at Hughes). Banuelos isn’t going to be a factor until 2015 at the earliest.

  38. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 10:23 am

    idk that the yankees can get what they would have earlier in the winter for cano, but they certainly can get alot for him.

    maybe they plan on moving him at the deadline (as beltran was).

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Tackelberry February 7th, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Brackman is the only 1 of the 3 who is a bust right now. Jury still out on Banuelos and Betances. However, if Betances doesn’t put it together this year, then we may be able to lable him a bust
    ///

    He had a good AFL, good GB/AO, good K/BB, threw strikes. Last year was not typical for Betances, despite the history of having command issues. It was an anomaly. They just brought in Patterson, who I am hoping can undo some of the wrongheaded adjustments made in Betances’ delivery last season, which made him look uncomfortable throughout most of his outings I saw and in which he was giving up fly balls and line drives, which is not characteristic of him. Patterson is supposed to rely on his pitchers’ own kinesthetic feel to help point them in the right direction; if so, I think he can really help Betances get back to his 2010 form. This is definitely a critical time for Betances, certainly as a Yankee.

  40. David in Cal February 7th, 2013 at 10:26 am

    I agree with you Rich, but the Yanks aren’t going to trade Cano. First of all, they’re the Yankees. The Yankees just don’t behave this way. It’s out of the question for them, even though it might make sense.

    Also the Yanks’ brass will convince themselves that by re-signing Andy and Kuroda and Ichiro, and with Gardner and Mo healthy, the Yanks are good enough to win the 2013 World Series.

    The Yanks are almost a mid-market team right now, because so much money is tied up in ARod. If the Yanks are going to be mid-market team, they have to learn to use appropriate money-saving tricks. Trading Cano now or in mid-season would be one such trick. Resigning Cano to a long-term contract a year or two ago would have been one such trick. However, like Nick Kirby, I worry that the Yanks will be a mid-market team financially, but without using mid-market cost strategies. That way lies disaster,

  41. Cashmoney February 7th, 2013 at 10:32 am

    rich, i think cano can have just as much trade value at TD , the mets prey on team’s playoff aspiration to get what they got. Yanks will have that opportunity. The conundrum i see is even if get 50 cents out of dollar on this bloated yankees payroll, the team will likely to be within striking distance of playoff spot with the additional playoff berth. then what do you do?
    the internal assessing process begins… my guess is this organization will keep Cano and either sign or let him walk after this year because they want to make dough in 13.

  42. Elvin February 7th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    I wonder if the front office has correctly predicted the huge drop in revenue that will go hand in hand with the new austerity measures?
    There was nothing to be excited about in the offseason; the team they’re fielding for ’13 looks to be worse than ’12 by almost any measure; no young impact players from the system look to be on the immediate horizon and for crike’s sake they signed YOUKILIS to play third base. Given the high prices for everything involved with a trip to Yankee stadium, people are not going to continue to come to games to watch an aging, mediocre team.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Feliz and Gumbs just aren’t close enough to entertain trading Cano. Adams I like, but he’s not the heir-apparent, doesn’t have the toolshed those two have.

    Cano is 30, only. They’d have to get a king’s ransom for Cano, and those 1 for 4 type things never seem to work in your favor, when you trade a great player for “depth.”

    Bottom line: I don’t trust Cashman to get back enough for Robinson Cano.

  44. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 10:40 am

    “The Yanks are almost a mid-market team right now, because so much money is tied up in ARod.”
    ===============================================
    not true. take arod’s money out of the budget and the yankees are likely stil the 2nd highest payroll in baseball at least double the ‘average’ payroll in mlb.

  45. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 10:42 am

    I wonder if they could get a high caliber 3B for Cano..

  46. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 10:43 am

    the median payroll last year was around $93M. (it will be higher this year)

    the yankees are over $200M this year. take arod’s money out and they are somewhere around $180M

  47. Cashmoney February 7th, 2013 at 10:44 am

    I think Cano can yield something like team’s top 5 prospect plus some but no more.

  48. natecunn February 7th, 2013 at 10:45 am

    Good piece by a talented young writer.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Watching the Yankees without Cano: as if this team isn’t dreary enough.

  50. Cashmoney February 7th, 2013 at 10:53 am

    realistically, i think if you are looking at the long term prosperity of this team and what they have on the farm. making playoff in 14 should not even be a priority. I don’t trust Cashman’s ability to build a team without financial might.

  51. blake February 7th, 2013 at 10:55 am

    “Bottom line: I don’t trust Cashman to get back enough for Robinson Cano.”

    He’s never made a trade like that so I dunno….I don’t wanna lose him for a draft pick either though. I think they will ultimately over pay big time and sign him……which is fine if they are willing to eat the cost when he declines….but sucks if they won’t

  52. RadioKev February 7th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    I’ve resigned to the fact the Yankees will not trade Cano.

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 10:59 am

    By the time he declines, we’ll hopefully have some of our current AA guys refreshing the lineup – we could also have guys like Feliz, Gumbs, Sanchez (who are in A but should be on the move soon) entrenched.

    I am less worried about Cano’s decline than you (he can always be the DH), because hopefully, you have a new core by then. If you can’t at least take for granted to some degree the latter, it really isn’t going to matter terribly what else you do, any how.

  54. Oscar Madison February 7th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    comnsnse………..Johnny Jones email………..

  55. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Curt Schilling says Red Sox officials encouraged him to use PEDs in 2008

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......s-in-2008/

  56. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    If Cano has his usual year, he will get eight years and $200M or more from someone. That seems a given to me. If the Yankees are unwilling to pay that much, he must be traded. But, despite that, they will not because they are selling the contender soap in 2013 to the fans.

    The net result will be a draft pick under these circumstances. That is no way to build a team. That is utter stupidity. It is also the most likely scenario.

    Either be willing to meet the market value for Cano or trade him.

  57. DONNYBROOK February 7th, 2013 at 11:04 am

    Davidoff continues to hit the ball outta the park. His “Baseball Insider” column is candid, yet hilariously funny. Comparing Terry Collins to Ted McGinley demonstrates Davidoff’s sense of humor, his powers of observation, and his Total Recall. He’s also got Braun and A-Rod pegged. When the Consistent doom-and-gloom around here starts to get to some of you, check out Davidoff. He will lift your spirits.

  58. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    JAP,

    I have never seen Feliz on a field. However, looking at his rather dreadlful stats, I don’t understand your support for him. Please let me know your basis for optimism. Thanks.

  59. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Curt Schilling says Red Sox officials encouraged him to use PEDs in 2008

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports……s-in-2008/
    ///

    I’m sure there is an inner sense of the hypocrisy with a lot of these guys, and maybe some of them have had it.

    We’re going to hear more of this slowly and surely. Because anyone who isn’t just hell-bent on sitting around sticking pins in their Alex Rodriguez voodoo doll, and who doesn’t have their head in the sand, knows there is a much more pernicious, pervasive “problem” in MLB.

    Good on you, Schilling. I always thought your were an a-hole, but sometimes, an a-hole needs to have the floor – which we know isn’t exactly anathema to you, lol.

  60. yankeefeminista February 7th, 2013 at 11:08 am

    JF, if true, wow. About time some of the higher ups are outed. This is what I mean about not knowing what is inherent in the culture of the game, and therefore, cautioning being too quick to judge. There is far too much we don’t know here, and mlb, team officials may very well be complicit in player behavior when it comes to PED usage.

  61. RadioKev February 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    From that hardball times post:

    “The fact that he and the Red Sox differed on the sort of treatment he received back in 2008 was well-reported at the time, but no one to my knowledge ever talked about this sort of thing. And, it’s worth noting, Schilling has been known to engage in hyperbole in the past.

    That said, this is quite an accusation. It seems to me that such an accusation is every bit as worthy of investigation by MLB as the Miami New Times story. Especially if the people he’s referring to still have jobs in Major League Baseball.”

  62. blake February 7th, 2013 at 11:11 am

    If what Schilling says is true then it’s even more hilarious that no red socks were in the Mitchell report

  63. yankeefeminista February 7th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    austin, Feliz has tools; he is only 20 and had an .863 OPS in the Sally league. I’ll bet he improves on his Tampa #’s, where he’s only had 67 AB’s.

  64. DONNYBROOK February 7th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Im always leery of guys with double first names like our pinch hitter today\ NICK KIRBY. The “witness protection program” frequently uses double 1st names.

  65. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 11:06 am

    JAP,

    I have never seen Feliz on a field. However, looking at his rather dreadlful stats, I don’t understand your support for him. Please let me know your basis for optimism. Thanks.
    ///

    Runs like a deer, has a great arm, hits line drives and has developing power, has great raw defender skills (although they need development) and great range at 2B; he started as a SS; he’s at least a 4.5 tool guy who maybe becomes a 5-tool.

    He’s the most overall talented position player I’ve seen in our system in recent years, and that includes Gumbs.

    I’d say you should be really excited about Anderson Feliz, and just hope he stays healthy. He hit .279 I think last year, even though he had injury issues.

  66. Ys Guy February 7th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    “Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Curt Schilling says Red Sox officials encouraged him to use PEDs in 2008″
    =================================================
    interesting but this guy is so full of spit that you can’t take it too seriously.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    Did I mention Feliz is a switch hitter? Too bad GB7 can’t weigh in, too, for I think he must have seen him.

  68. blake February 7th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    @AndrewMarchand: Why Cano could leave the Yankees http://t.co/8lIUigVi

  69. yankeefeminista February 7th, 2013 at 11:14 am

    But there were rumors of Red Sox on that 2003 list, including I believe, Varitek and Damon.

  70. ericns1 February 7th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Great post – maybe a drastic attendance would wake them up

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Too bad Feliz is in Tampa; otherwise our own Tar and tomingeorgia would get to see him, were he still in Charleston.

    We may see him in Trenton this year, if he can stay healthy; he could move fast.

  72. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    “i think cano can have just as much trade value at TD”

    Cash

    Isn’t there a provision in the new CBA that negates the draft pick comp for the new team if the impending FA isn’t traded before the season?

  73. Cashmoney February 7th, 2013 at 11:21 am

    There is Rich, but i think it will be very small factor for teams that are desperate and in need of credibility. i don’t think they will trade him for reasons above, so it’s kind of moot. pretty much like me hoping Cashman found religion and going to Tibet to study under lamas.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Schilling may be a blowhard, but what reason would he have to alienate Boston fans? Why would he put his “bloody sock” legacy at risk?

    This isn’t the first time we’ve heard that teams encourage “responsible” use of PEDs from within. In fact, it’s actually the second time I’m hearing this about a Boston team; remember that trainer or clubhouse guy who said they brought guys in to teach the team PED skills? That was a story kicking around a few years ago.

  75. DONNYBROOK February 7th, 2013 at 11:22 am

    Tuned into ESPN yesterday, (1st time inna Long time), to get some college football recruiting news, and it was SEC Central. That place has become an absolute 2 Note cacophony of sound. (1) R\Sox (2) SEC Football.

  76. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    This is now the second story, although this one is more legitimate since Shill is attached to it, where organizations are being accused of promoting this stuff.

    I don’t like Schilling and never will, but don’t be surprised if more players start turning this around on MLB. That’s what I was worried Arod might do (and said the Yankees should be worried about the same response) if he kept getting nailed to the PED cross.

  77. RadioKev February 7th, 2013 at 11:23 am

    The Yankees would have to be in last place, or near last place, to trade Cano at the deadline if they’re not trading him now. As negative as some people are here, that’s unlikely to happen.

    For argument sake, look to the Carlos Beltran trade return of Zack Wheeler for your comp. One top prospect and change.

  78. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Cash

    I do agree it’s moot, which is one reason why it’s suboptimal to watch the mismanagement of the team in comparison to the great way it was built by Stick.

  79. Wave Your Hat February 7th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    Somebody walk me through the $200M savings.

  80. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 11:25 am

    I was just about to ask that. Thanks.

  81. pat February 7th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Chatty Cashman has uncharacterisitcally been creating headlines lately………

    BruceMurrayShow
    .@Yankees GM Brian Cashman on Alex Rodriguez: We can’t think about moving A-Rod because we don’t know all the facts in the report.#SXMSports

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    I don’t like Schilling and never will, but don’t be surprised if more players start turning this around on MLB. That’s what I was worried Arod might do (and said the Yankees should be worried about the same response) if he kept getting nailed to the PED cross.
    ///

    Outing organizations is one thing; that won’t help you of course if you’re an active player. But I don’t ever see Alex or anyone outing peers.

    I agree that the players may start pushing back. I do think it takes someone with courage to do so; Schilling obviously does not care who doesn’t like it.

  83. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 11:28 am

    “The Yankees would have to be in last place, or near last place, to trade Cano at the deadline if they’re not trading him now As negative as some people are here, that’s unlikely to happen.”

    Any negativity, at least from my perspective, is not about the team sucking, or even being bad. It’s about not getting the most out of their resources, and being guided by some baseball thinking (e.g., pitching holds keys to the kingdom; power and patience in the absence of AVG) that was not in place when the core that won the rings was assembled.

  84. Doreen February 7th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    I do not doubt that organizations turn a blind eye, at the very least, to what some of its players did/do to try and “up their game” or get back on the field more quickly after injury.

    Perhaps all the dirty laundry from all parties to this has to air before any real progress is made, IF they truly want to rid the game of PEDs.

    But who really has the stomach for the finger-pointing, laying of blame, etc.? Certainly not me.

  85. Jerkface February 7th, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Somebody walk me through the $200M savings.

    If you consider the Yankees 210 million payroll is a semi-accurate number even when considering the AAV calculations. Then they need to reduce payroll by like 35 million by season end for each year. So that is 70 millions they save by choice.

    Then they would save 15 million in luxury tax each year. So thats 100 million. Then they get 36 million in revenue sharing rebates for 3 years for being under for 2 years.

  86. blake February 7th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    If the Yanks can’t sign Cano to a contract that won’t cripple the franchise financially then Id rather them call up Seattle and try to gut their system than to lose him for a pick…..yes it drastically hurts their chances in 2013….but I don’t think this team has a great chance to win a title anyways ….just how I feel.

    Now obviously Id rather know that the ownership would just pay cano and not hold it against the club later…..but I don’t know that…..I don’t want another Arod situation where Cano is making 25 million per as a dimininished 37 year old and Hal is sitting up there complaining about the payroll.

    It’s a crappy position the Yanks have out themselves in….hard to see a good outcome

  87. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Thanks. So fans really need to stop going to games and buying Yankee gear.

  88. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I said a week ago the Yankees better be prepared for an all out battle if they were to try to void AROD’s contract. You better believe if there are any questionable Yankee team acts, it will be on the front pages.

    I don’t know what the reference above to “we can’t think about moving AROD” means. Move him where and how. He isn’t tradeable. Maybe they should have moved him from Miami awhile back.

  89. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    Outing organizations is one thing; that won’t help you of course if you’re an active player. But I don’t ever see Alex or anyone outing peers.

    ———————

    Oh yeah, I never meant that Arod would out peers/other users. But he could just mention Torre’s name, for example, and it sort of blows all of MLB’s power structure up, doesn’t it? High ranking MLB official knew about drug use in his clubhouse? That’s one hell of a story.

    And no, I don’t think he’ll do anything while he’s still employed by the league and wants to make money.. but that’s why I think anyone who believes they will try to ban him is being a little ridiculous. The players know how much the organizations are involved in this stuff.. they’re on thin ice if they push players too far and try to vilify them. It could blow up in their faces.

  90. RadioKev February 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I’ve become convinced the only way to stop PED use is to punish the teams, not the player.

    Or make the punishment on the players very severe. Lifetime bans as a second punishment.

  91. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 7th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I don’t think it should come as any great surprise that Sux officials encouraged Schilling to use. The following is from the Mitchell Report. I remember reading it at the time the Report came out and being extremely surprised that it received little to no attention.

    Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein asked about Gagne’s possible use of steroids when the team was considering acquiring him. In a Nov. 1, 2006 e-mail to Red Sox, scout Mark Delpiano responded: “Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues. Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max effort plus stuff … Mentality without the plus weapons and without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back durability and ability to throw average while allowing the changeup to play as it once did … Personally, durability (or lack of) will follow Gagne.” Despite the negative scouting report, the Red Sox traded for Gagne.

  92. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    The problem is still detection.

  93. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 11:39 am

    RadioKev February 7th, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I’ve become convinced the only way to stop PED use is to punish the teams, not the player.

    Or make the punishment on the players very severe. Lifetime bans as a second punishment.

    ——————–

    If you read that story about Jayson Taylor and the NFL, my guess is there’s no incentive for any of these leagues to do anything to stop this stuff. Having these punishments for the players while having the orgs secretly promoting the masking or use of banned substances is the height of hypocrisy.

    This is why the union takes such a hard line stance against stringent testing and harsher penalties.. and it’s also why the league doesn’t push it.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 11:40 am

    But who really has the stomach for the finger-pointing, laying of blame, etc.? Certainly not me.
    ///

    The media has an insatiable hunger for demonizing Alex Rodriguez, and I have no stomach for that.

    The best way to put this whole thing in its rightful context, and reduce/eliminate it, is to dig at the subrosa culture that hides/permits/enables this, and which catches the odd mouse to hold up by its tail and says “See? We’re doing something”.

    Get the people focused on the symptom. That’s the oldest trick in the book.

  95. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 11:41 am

    I’m still trying to figure out of the blood tests they’re doing this year are confined to HGH.. it sounds like urine/swab tests will still be used for other PED detection.

  96. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 11:42 am

    They would get nowhere near the return for Cano at the TD for two reasons. One, he would only contribute to a new team for 40% of the games and two, the new team gets no draft pick if he leaves.

    I do agree that irrespective of logic, Cano will not be traded.

    I do wonder if they have compared cost savings to income reduction. Whether they know it or not, if the team goes in the dumper for several years, they will lose far more than they will save, IMO. I believe the income reduction will begin next year.

    George, for all his faults, knew it was important to use the off-season to build excitement in order to create the most income. This winter has depressed, irritated, or at best, left fans unenthused. I forecast another 5-10% decline in attendance and Yes ratings.

  97. DONNYBROOK February 7th, 2013 at 11:44 am

    You guys continue to Rag how the team is being run, and then you turn around and applaud the signing of a guy like Hafner. He can Not situationally hit, he can Not run, he can Not field. He Can hit occasional HR’s. The NOT’s have it.

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 7th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    I have a lot of respect for Schilling that I never did before. It started when he predicted that the Sux would not make the playoffs in 2010. That was well before the Titanic sunk, but it was on its way. At least he didn’t play homer. Now I don’t know whether Schilling is doing this to get back at the Sux for the way they treated Tito, or if he’s just being a straight-out purist of the game. I’d like to think it’s the latter since he was equally vocal about PEDs and striking records when he spoke to Congressional committee in 2005.

    My greatest respect goes to the purist players, if there are any left!

  99. Cashmoney February 7th, 2013 at 11:45 am

    The Government ought to take a hard line on this while we at it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Xrcp6k8VE

  100. Rich in NJ February 7th, 2013 at 11:46 am

    “You guys continue to Rag how the team is being run, and then you turn around and applaud the signing of a guy like Hafner.”

    Given their unwillingness to be patient with young players, and what they were willing to spend on upgrades this season, what is your alternative suggestion?

  101. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    @CeeAngi

    The Red Sox have been in a similar boat with the PEDs advice before, though Merloni backtracked on his comments. . http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....id=4673748

  102. trisha - true pinstriped blue February 7th, 2013 at 11:47 am

    Oops. 2011, not 2010.

  103. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    @eboland11

    Chris Stewart:”I’m pumped.Its kind of a new chapter for me. Not really used to going in &having a shot to be the starter so Im welcoming it”
    —————————

    LOL!!!

    If Stewie was on the Red Sox how much fun would we be having with this right now..?

  104. Wave Your Hat February 7th, 2013 at 11:49 am

    “If you consider the Yankees 210 million payroll is a semi-accurate number even when considering the AAV calculations. Then they need to reduce payroll by like 35 million by season end for each year. So that is 70 millions they save by choice.

    Then they would save 15 million in luxury tax each year. So thats 100 million. Then they get 36 million in revenue sharing rebates for 3 years for being under for 2 years.”

    I don’t think it appropriate to include the payroll reduction as “savings” for this purpose. I mean, they could reduce the payroll to $100MM and then they’d have $240M in “savings” over two years, right?

    The luxury tax savings I get. But doesn’t the $36M number depend on which teams would otherwise be due luxury tax payments?

    And where’s the add-back for the increased risk of no post-season, decreased regular season ticket sales, downward drag on ticket prices and Yankee paraphenalia and general damage to the brand?

  105. Cashmoney February 7th, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Rich, my guess is that Donny would prefer Aragorn at DH.

  106. pat February 7th, 2013 at 11:53 am

    BSOHL!

    GordonEdes
    John Lackey, the trimmer version pic.twitter.com/9zv2o2N3

  107. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Marchand suggests that Cano may not return after next year. Wow, no wonder they are the paid professionals. Who would have thought of that or of his arguments like the Dodgers, the cap, the age issue and Boras could make his signeing difficult?

    The team has three choices. They can sign him regardless of cost because they feel aneed for a franchise type player. They can get what they can this year and let him leave for a free agent. Lastly, they can try to trade him.

    One of these options are attractive, but the most harmeful for the long term health is to have him leave for a 35th pick of the draft. What are the chances such a pick will become a major leaguer, much less a productive one?

  108. DONNYBROOK February 7th, 2013 at 11:56 am

    I like Nucky Thompson as the owner, Chalky White GM, and Nucky’s brother could be the Mgr.

  109. blake February 7th, 2013 at 11:57 am

    @eboland11: Chris Stewart:”I’m pumped.Its kind of a new chapter for me. Not really used to going in &having a shot to be the starter so Im welcoming it”

    There is a reason he isn’t used to having a chance to be a starter ….most teams try to have a real starting catcher on their team

  110. blake February 7th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    I remember making fun of Boston a couple of years ago because Cervelli was better than anybody they had…..sad

  111. filthy slider February 7th, 2013 at 12:00 pm

    Spot on, the writer put into words just about every thing I’ve been thinking for a while now.
    The only thing he could have done more would be to expand on the lousy record Cashman has in the draft. HORRIBLE would be too kind.

  112. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    I’m pretty pumped for the Cervelli, Stewart and Wilson competition. Can any of them be replacement level? Now, that’s new Yankee baseball! Thanks Brian and Hal.

    AAO, just think how much money they could save with the Astros payroll. They should do all they can to save, right? Nearly $400M. Further excitement from budget cutting. Hal is a numbers guy.

    I used to like to watch baseball games, but now realize excel spreadsheets are the way to really enjoy the game.

  113. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    And no, I don’t think he’ll do anything while he’s still employed by the league and wants to make money.. but that’s why I think anyone who believes they will try to ban him is being a little ridiculous. The players know how much the organizations are involved in this stuff.. they’re on thin ice if they push players too far and try to vilify them. It could blow up in their faces.
    ///

    Those folks are more hopin’ be gets banned ;). The players know. That’s why you get a fair amount of problems comments like “we feel for player x”.

  114. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Donny,

    I like your management group. They do get things done.

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    If you read that story about Jayson Taylor and the NFL, my guess is there’s no incentive for any of these leagues to do anything to stop this stuff. Having these punishments for the players while having the orgs secretly promoting the masking or use of banned substances is the height of hypocrisy.

    This is why the union takes such a hard line stance against stringent testing and harsher penalties.. and it’s also why the league doesn’t push it.
    ///

    This is it.

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock February 7th, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue February 7th, 2013 at 11:36 am

    I don’t think it should come as any great surprise that Sux officials encouraged Schilling to use. The following is from the Mitchell Report. I remember reading it at the time the Report came out and being extremely surprised that it received little to no attention.

    ///

    I remember the report that the Sox shrugged off Gagne’s PEDs rep. I don’t, however, think they’re unique at all. Just as I don’t believe that Alex is the scourge of MLB.

  117. G. Love February 7th, 2013 at 12:13 pm

    Nick – Great guest post. Glad to see a lot of us aren’t alone in thinking the way we do despite how we’re shouted down in here for being entitled and greedy. When you charge the most, you have an obligation to put the best on the field. If the Yankees strip mine the team and continue to charge the most they’ll hit a breaking point and destroy the good will they’ve generated the past 20 years with the fanbase. The ball is entirely in their court and if they drop it, they’ll be charging $11 for a beer that no one will drink.

  118. Shame Spencer February 7th, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    GLove come this way :arrow: and yell at Chad ;)

    JAP – It’s short sighted to just blame the players. Always has been always will be.

  119. austinmac February 7th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    I would love to know how season ticket sales and ticket package sales are going compared to prior years. I would be quite surprised if they have not measurably declined .

  120. Cashmoney February 7th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    OT, anyone is looking forward to the new season of Game of Throne?

  121. Cashmoney February 7th, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    *Thrones

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