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For the sake of argument (again)…

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 08, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Turnabout’s fair play, isn’t it?

Yesterday I played devil’s advocate to Nick’s pessimistic point of view. Today I’ll do the same to Brendan’s rosy outlook.

Where is the Yankees reality? It’s not exactly somewhere in between. Truth is, we don’t know the Yankees reality just yet. It could be pretty bad. Could be awfully good. We’ll begin the process of finding out early next week.

For now, here are some of Brendan’s central points from this morning’s Pinch Hitter post, followed by my own comments.

The point is, winning the offseason means absolutely nothing.
In theory, this is perfectly true — the Marlins and Angels proved that last season — but let’s not forget that the last time the Yankees won a World Series was the year after they acquired CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Mark Teixeira and Nick Swisher in a single offseason. Winning the offseason might not guarantee anything, but it’s not a bad place to start. And as Nick wrote yesterday, the Yankees have built much of their prestige on the idea of doing anything it takes. They didn’t do that this winter. To be clear, they didn’t do nothing — some of these signings might have been too familiar to be exciting, but the Yankees did sign Pettitte, Kuroda, Rivera, Ichiro, Youkilis and Hafner this offseason — it’s just that they made no moves to specifically help them in the future, when a new financial approach is going to make it harder to win either the offseason or the regular season. With a series of short-term fixes, they’ve intentionally created a sense of uncertainty.

I am from the camp that the Yankees became too reliant on the long ball these last few years.
I’m from the camp of, scoring runs is good. I once had a Yankees official ask me this question: One of your team’s hitters comes to the plate. You don’t know the score, the inning, the pitcher or the number of men on base. What do you want that hitter to do? Fact is, home runs score runs. That’s not to say there’s something wrong with guys who hit for average, get on base and steal a few bags, but it’s silly to demonize the homer. Would the Yankees be better with a more well-rounded offense full of guys who hit for power and average? Of course they would. The best hitters in the game are the ones who do both of those things. But not every player is perfectly well-rounded, so a front office picks and chooses its strengths. I don’t quite understand how it’s easier to string together a bunch of hits off a postseason ace than it is to take advantage of one of his few mistakes and hit it out of the park.

I am stoked because New York actually resembles a complete baseball team.
The Yankees still need to choose a starting catcher and make some decisions about the bench and the last spot or two in the bullpen. That means their roster is pretty complete for this time of year. They have speed and power in the lineup, which suggests a pretty complete and balanced approach. But how long will the Yankees remain such a complete baseball team? Yes, if all goes well and everyone stays healthy, the Yankees have all they need. But how often does all go well and everyone stay healthy? This team is a year older than last season, but it seems ill-equipped to handle last season’s injuries and setbacks. And it’s going to be amazing to watch this complete roster fall completely apart in November when at least four lineup regulars (five if Derek Jeter declines his option), three starting pitchers and four key relievers become free agents. The Yankees have put together a complete roster for this very moment. But the season isn’t played at this very moment, and the long-term future certainly isn’t played at this very moment either.

I don’t expect anyone in their right mind to pick the 2013 Yankees to win the World Series…
See what happens when a guy gets a guest spot on a blog? He becomes a member of that mean-spirited media in an instant. To quote from another section of Brendan’s post: “… the lack of a big splash has the media skeptical the Yanks can win enough in 2013 to even make the playoffs, let alone win the division.” Skepticism is good. And it’s not the same as pessimism.

I just know it is going to be an exciting ride, and a lot more fun to watch a different movie for a change.
The Yankees went to World Series four years ago and made the playoffs in 17 of the past 18 seasons. That previous movie was awfully good. It was one of the Godfathers. We’ll soon find out whether it was Godfather I, and we’re about to start Godfather II. Or if it was Godfather II, and we’re about to start Godfather III.  The Yankees are certainly entering a new chapter, but the old one is pretty hard to beat.

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74 Responses to “For the sake of argument (again)…”

  1. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Skepticism is good. And it’s not the same as pessimism.

    ——————-

    Very astute observation, Chaddy Bear!!

    (I’m working on various ways to address Chad.)

  2. DONNYBROOK February 8th, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    I remain in favor of expanding the 1st round of the Playoffs to 7 games. It just cheapens that round to limit it to 5 games. The argument previously had always been that it would lengthen the season, but then Bud added that “sudden death” playoff game, so obviously that argument was phony baloney.

  3. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Whatever the outlook for the Yankees, I think it is pretty clear that they are in the position that are in because they haven’t maximized their payroll advantage and haven’t done a good enough job in mL development.

  4. yankeefeminista February 8th, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Not a big fan, but FWIW, fangraphs prospects chat on a slow and snowy Friday: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....chat-2813/

  5. Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    ” I once had a Yankees official ask me this question: One of your team’s hitters comes to the plate. You don’t know the score, the inning, the pitcher or the number of men on base. What do you want that hitter to do? Fact is, home runs score runs. ”
    ————————————————————————————–
    this seems to be the yankee’s approach at the plate every single at-bat.

    dont tell me who’s on, what’s the score or how many outs there are, because a i’m just going to swing for a HR every time because its always better.

    the fact that the best hitter in the league only gets a HR in 10% of his at-bats while even a crappy hitter has more than twice those chances of getting a hit doesnt enter into it.

    dont make me think (especially about probabilities since i was at a tournament that week)

    the fence is there and im going to try and hit it out every time.

  6. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    Comment From Will
    What innings does Wilmer Flores play the most innings at in the majors?

    Mike Newman:
    For the Mets, it will probably be left field, but he’d be best at 3B or 1B. Flores is tough in that he’s perceived as much more valuable of a prospect than he actually is. I like the hit tool quite a bit and think moderate power will be there, but he is just too slow to really contribute on defense.

    JD Sussman:
    It’s possible the Mets trade Murphy and play Flores at second. I don’t think he’ll be as bad at second as he would in left.

    ————————

    I wish we’d try to get Flores..

  7. Bronx Jeers February 8th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    “I once had a Yankees official ask me this question: One of your team’s hitters comes to the plate. You don’t know the score, the inning, the pitcher or the number of men on base. What do you want that hitter to do? Fact is, home runs score runs”

    ————–

    Really? A home run is a desirable outcome? Wow.

    Hey I also root for touchdowns, goals and 3-pointers. How am I not employed in the front office of a professional sports team?

  8. Tackelberry February 8th, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    I wish we’d try to get Flores..

    _______________________________________

    Its very rare that the Yankees and Mets make deals just becuase of the city rivalry, but you never know

  9. Warning Track Power February 8th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    The point is, winning the offseason means absolutely nothing.
    ____________________________________________________________________

    Thank you. Finally someone had the guts to write these words down here
    on the blog.

    Can we now forget about what acquisitions the Yankees did not make?

  10. DONNYBROOK February 8th, 2013 at 12:17 pm

    Flying under the radar around here is Bobby Wilson. With Cervelli and the Ped Scandal, Wilson could easily make the 25 Man.

  11. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 12:21 pm

    Tackle – That’s true but in this case it’s a prospect.. might not be seen as that critical for either side. If anything the Mets would probably get the bigger name, which would be a nice change of pace for them I’d think.

  12. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Warning Track Power February 8th, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    The point is, winning the offseason means absolutely nothing.
    ____________________________________________________________________

    Thank you. Finally someone had the guts to write these words down here
    on the blog.

    ———————

    LOL, this has been written on the blog almost daily. Relax, WTP, everyone here is still predicting the Yankees will win more than 88 games which likely puts them in a playoff spot given the division this season.

    In fact, I dunno if trisha is keep track or has a chart out, but I’d guess many of us would put them down for 90+ wins even though we spend most of our time being sad and mad (smad).

  13. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    It is plainly false to say that the offseason means nothing. Although it is no guarantee of success, it is hard to argue that it is better to subtract assets than it is to add them.

  14. Nick in SF February 8th, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    Without knowing the count, the inning, or the score, I’d still say that the batter would enjoy a strawberry ghost mochi:

    http://news.itmedia.co.jp/20130208/002651

  15. Bronx Jeers February 8th, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    So Youkilis finally responded to Joba…

    http://tinypic.com/r/e6q683/6

  16. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    @eboland11

    Hal Steinbrenner made a surprise visit to complex. Said there’s “concern” about Arod allegations but “it’s out of our hands.”

  17. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    @eboland11

    Steinbrenner also said there’s been a “conversation or two” in regards to extending Cano. “We’ll talk about that at a later date.”
    —————————-

    Man wouldn’t it be awesome if they did this last year… Cano is not accepting an extension but this might be a good way to start setting up the narrative that Cano isn’t a team player and didn’t want to stay a Yankee lol.

  18. Warning Track Power February 8th, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Today I requested a day off from work on April 1
    I figured why work a full day when I can be home to watch opening day vs
    The Sox on T.V.

    Anybody else planning to do this on opening day???

  19. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Is there any chance Cano takes an extension? …what if he struggles in the first half? No?

  20. randy l. February 8th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    “Hal Steinbrenner made a surprise visit to complex.”

    actually hal has downgraded the complex. they couldn’t afford it any longer with the austerity program.

    it’s now called the simplex.

  21. Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    idk why cano would sign an extension unless they give him the keys to the stadium.

    other bidders will only push up the aav and years.

    so would an MVP.

  22. Jerkface February 8th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

    Is there any chance Cano takes an extension? …what if he struggles in the first half? No?

    He will sign one right before ST starts and then immediately be named in that Miami New Times fiasco with the most concrete evidence.

  23. Nick in SF February 8th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    That reminds me, I would like to know more about whether Boras really tried to get the Yankees to extend Cano and if they really shot him down. Fact or myth?

  24. Jerkface February 8th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    it’s now called the simplex.

    The minor leaguers do not appreciate playing at simplex B.

  25. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    They should make a really generous 7 year offer (including upping his AAV for this season), and then trade him now if he rejects the offer.

  26. Nick in SF February 8th, 2013 at 12:58 pm

    Wouldn’t it save time to sign the extension in the Biogenisis lobby?

  27. Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 1:01 pm

    i love all these, ‘tell jeter to take this or get lost’ or tell cano to sign now or get rid of him’ stuff.

    in the real world if that’s your M.O. you’re not going to be around very long.

  28. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Nick in SF February 8th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    That reminds me, I would like to know more about whether Boras really tried to get the Yankees to extend Cano and if they really shot him down. Fact or myth?

    ——————-

    I did some research last night.. Boras said he asked but Brian didn’t return his calls. Then said he was just kidding and Brian always returns his calls. It was a little murky to me if he was saying he was kidding about the request for the extension talks or not (I didn’t do a ton of research though).

    Trying not to read too much into Hal’s statements but since I’m bored I will.

  29. Tackelberry February 8th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

    Boras almost always pushes his clients to free agency, unless he is absolutely blown out of the water with a monster offer, so I’d say the odds are slim to none that Cano signs an exstension, especially with the Dodgers and their suddenly deep pockets lurking out there after the season.

  30. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    Jeter is sui generis. Cano is an asset that has to be moved if not extended.

  31. Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    i’ve been in favor of trading cano all winter.

    i just dont think ‘take it or leave it’ threats work in the long run.

  32. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    They should make a really generous 7 year offer (including upping his AAV for this season), and then trade him now if he rejects the offer.

    ————–

    And the thing about that is they’d still be able to spin it as ‘we gave it our best shot, he said no so we’re going to try to make this team better any way we can.’

    We’d still complain but I’d respect the move ;)

  33. Nick in SF February 8th, 2013 at 1:07 pm

    Shame, that’s what I was talking about yesterday! As I recall, Boras’ original remark was about the Yankees not picking up Cano’s option after the last off-season — thereby making Robbie a free agent. Maybe his syntax was unclear or something, but it seemed like a pretty obvious joke from the start, since the Yankees wouldn’t have any reason to do that. And Cashman probably does return his calls.

  34. Stoneburner - The Return of Wax February 8th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    Ahhh finally something that cannot be blamed on the Yankees, their budget, lack of development, etc – - – -

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoff.....l-blackout

    DanBarbarisi And Hal, regarding “new” yanks as cheap: “There qas nothing cheap about Kuroda’s contract, PIneda’s contract. Sometimes i scratch my head.”

    DanBarbarisi Correction on earlier tweet – hal was talking about kuroda’s contract and pettitte’s contract, NOT Pineda. Had a brain fart while typing.

    I like this guy – this guy Hal – he is essentially revoking them from being Yankees fans – and I like it – get rid of all of these whiners and complainers and snobs – - – - -

    This is Stoneburner, reporting from Ceti Alpha V, with the wax poetic minute – - – -

  35. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    i just dont think ‘take it or leave it’ threats work in the long run.
    -
    That’s your spin. In reality, it is merely a means to an end: doing what is best for the team while being fair to Cano.

    Framing it as an ultimatum obscures the business necessity of resolving the issue in a timeframe that enables the Yankees to maximize their few really valuable and moveable assets.

  36. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Nick – The whole thing confused me and I couldn’t find a lot of sources that I trusted. I guess it depends on how much you want to read into it. It would be strange, even as a joke, for Boras to float the extension talk out there. But in some of the quotes he made it sound like he was just joking about Brian returning his calls. I don’t know that he clarified if he was joking about the extension discussions…

    Boras is an enigma.

  37. austinmac February 8th, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Great plan getting rid of fans. I hope he enjoys the decreaased income.

  38. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    Comment From Piper
    Big Yankees fan here – anyone in the minors going to impact the big club?

    Mark Smith:
    This year? Mark Montgomery might get some innings out of the bullpen. In the future, Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams, and Tyler Austin have impact potential. Top-heavy system

    Mike Newman:
    I still think Manny Banuelos has a big league future. I’m not exactly sure what his ETA is, but could see him pitching out of the bullpen initially.

  39. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Comment From Guest
    Is this the year that Dominic Brown gets a full shot with the Phils?

    Mark Smith:
    The current OF is Mayberry, Revere, and Delmon Young with Brown and Ruf as possible backups. Brown has the advantage of hitting lefty, but man, it’s hard to think that the process indicates he’s going to get a lot of PT.

  40. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Boras is an enigma.
    -
    Wrapped inside a riddle…

  41. randy l. February 8th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    ” I hope he enjoys the decreaased income.”

    a boycott is definitely the way to go.

    we could have hal out of there by the trading deadline if every yankee fan boycotted his austerity yankees.

  42. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    I don’t see it as a take it or leave it.. they’d get a sense of what he expects, he’d get a sense of how far they’re willing to go. You tell him if he doesn’t accept you’ll be moving him off the club and you’ll talk to him after the season closes.

    In this Yankee climate, I’d go that route.

  43. Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    the yankees want robinson cano to be a yankee and be sucsessful for years to come.

    there is a limit to how much they want to pay to have that happen, but that is their wish.

    threatening the guy the week before ST starts is NOT the way to have a constructive relationship.

    it also filters through the league and among the agents that you’re a bully or a jerk.

    and in the end, it accomplishes nothing. cano and boras aren’t going to fold and sign a contract because they fear him being traded.

    its no way to conduct buisness.

  44. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    Boras is an enigma.
    -
    Wrapped inside a riddle…

    ————-

    Wrapped inside of bacon.

  45. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    randy l. February 8th, 2013 at 1:17 pm

    ” I hope he enjoys the decreaased income.”

    a boycott is definitely the way to go.

    we could have hal out of there by the trading deadline if every yankee fan boycotted his austerity yankees.

    ——————

    Boycott talk!!!

    (I’d never boycott the club.. they’ve got me hook line and sinker, just like Chad Chad. I’m weak.)

  46. Nick in SF February 8th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    Shame, it made perfect sense to me at the time, because Boras’ original comment involved the Yanks not picking up the option, allowing Cano to be a free agent 2-3 years early, and then talking extension. Which is clearly not serious.

    So when you made your comment yesterday about the Yankees shooting down a Boras proposal to extend Cano, I thought you might be talking about something thad had happened later. Which would be very interesting from the NYY perspective and also because that’s not how Boras usually operates. But did it ever happen?

  47. David in Cal February 8th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    I like the idea of trading Cano if he refuses a contract extention. It’s not that I want to punish Cano. It’s that if he refuses a contract extension now, the Yanks are very likely to be outbid once he’s a free agent. If it’s very likely that we’re losing Cano, let’s trade him now and get something substantial back, rather than wait for the end of the season and get just a draft choice back.

    However, I wouldn’t trade Cano now. I’d wait for mid-season to see how the Yanks are doing.

  48. Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    yeah, that boycott after the strike season really worked!

  49. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    its no way to conduct buisness.

    —————–

    If done right, it’s the pragmatic way to conduct business. The players all know it’s a business, they say so all the time. I wouldn’t endorse the timing (they’ve had all off season to work on this) but the premise is okay by me if they’re serious about changing the philosophy of the franchise.

  50. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Comment From Bill
    No love for Zunino in 2013? Seems like he’s the real deal & will be up by mid-June….

    JD Sussman:
    Real deal? I agree, Bill. But explain to me how he fits given the roster!

    Mike Newman:
    It’s difficult to envision any catcher producing at a high level quickly.

  51. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 1:23 pm

    Ys Guy, you can spin it any way you want; it is still spin.

    Teams have a right to achieve some degree of roster certainty on their terms. If they didn’t there would be no point in negotiating. They would then just give a player whatever he wants.

    They can easily make their best offer now, not at some undetermined point in the future that moots their ability to plan ahead.

  52. Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    you can’t make cano do anything by threatening him and he and boras know that.

    all they have to do is counter by saying they’re done negotiating and won’t sign with anyone the yankees trade him to, thus undercutting thier takeback in a trade.

    its a bad strategy.

    and likely self-defeating.

  53. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    But did it ever happen?

    ———————

    Now I really don’t know.. I don’t get Boras’ statements. I also don’t know who he made them to, which could also make a difference. I’m currently trying to catch up on celebrity gossip but I might go back to try to dig more up on that later.

  54. jacksquat February 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    Wouldn’t have to threaten Cano at all. Try to make a deal. If no deal, trade him.

    Not that I advise that, just saying there doesn’t have to be any threats.

  55. Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 1:26 pm

    im not talking about whether they should trade him.

    im talking about your recomended method of conducting negotiations.

    it sounds tough on a comments section post

    but it’s just bad buisness.

  56. randy l. February 8th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    “they’ve got me hook line and sinker, just like Chad Chad. I’m weak.)”

    shane-

    you do understand that chad is from the midwest. in his off time he likes watching synchronized grass growing.

  57. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    you can’t make cano do anything by threatening him and he and boras know that.

    all they have to do is counter by saying they’re done negotiating and won’t sign with anyone the yankees trade him to, thus undercutting thier takeback in a trade.

    ———————-

    That’s a lot of speculation. Cano for one year is valuable to quite a few teams. They could still get pretty good prospects for him in return even if the team they deal with knows they are only getting him for a season.

  58. Nick in SF February 8th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Can any of the “extend Cano now or trade him now” advocates provide any cons to that opinion?

  59. randy l. February 8th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    shane-

    i don’t think the yankees are thinking ahead at all. i think they figure they’ll deal with 2014 when it comes.

    i’m still concerned about cano and peds. no one thing, but there’s just so many people around him that have been involved in PEDS.

  60. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    randy l. February 8th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    “they’ve got me hook line and sinker, just like Chad Chad. I’m weak.)”

    shane-

    you do understand that chad is from the midwest. in his off time he likes watching synchronized grass growing.

    ———————–

    :lol:

  61. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Nick in SF February 8th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Can any of the “extend Cano now or trade him now” advocates provide any cons to that opinion?

    ———————-

    No clear replacement in 2013.

    A lot of it depends on what you could get back for him though.. it’s really hard to say.

    Like I said, I wouldn’t advocate them doing this now, they’ve had an entire off season.. but I could get behind the general premise.

  62. Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    the other thing is, if you were gonna put the squeeze on cano to sign an extension, the time to do it would have been in december.

    now teams have much less roster and payroll flexibility.

    putting the squeeze on him now, just as ST is about to start would look foolish.

  63. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    it sounds tough on a comments section post

    but it’s just bad buisness.
    -
    Tough is for people who need to overcompensate.

    What I am suggesting is taught by people who teach negotiation skills.

  64. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    I’m still really surprised Hal even mentioned an extension just now…. he’s got to have some motivation. He was just saying a month ago how that’s not how the organization operates.

  65. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Can any of the “extend Cano now or trade him now” advocates provide any cons to that opinion?
    -

    As Shame suggests, they would be worse this season, and they could make a bad trade.

    Nothing is risk-free.

  66. Ys Guy February 8th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    “What I am suggesting is taught by people who teach negotiation skills.”
    —————————————————————————-
    what do people who teach good buisness practices for long-term success teach?

    i must have missed dale carnegie’s rant about when to threaten your employees and their representatives

  67. Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    You just make stuff up.

  68. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    It just worries me Hal is trying to talk extension right now.. seems late in the game. It almost feels like he’s setting us up to be like, ‘hey we tried, he wanted to leave.’

  69. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:42 pm

    Comment From Spencer
    Perhaps Mark will answer my Olt trade question, if only he pretends that I didn’t ask the same one at CAC…

    Mark Smith:
    Haha, haven’t gotten around to comments today. I’d love to grab Olt, but I’m not sure what the Braves could give the Rangers to make it worthwhile from their end. Someone is likely to be able to make a better offer.

    Believe it or not, the Spencer above is not yours truly.

  70. Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    :arrow:

  71. blake February 8th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    Rich in NJ says:
    February 8, 2013 at 12:57 pm
    They should make a really generous 7 year offer (including upping his AAV for this season), and then trade him now if he rejects the offer.

    I agree….but they won’t

  72. Frankg February 8th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Anytime someone is objective rather than optimistic others accuse them of being mean-spirited or pessimistic.

  73. comnsnse February 8th, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    Rich NJ, so your plan then is a generous offer for 7 years when Cano will be 37? At what yrly. salary? And if he rejects it,what?

    Haven’t they gotten themselves in enough trouble with Aroid and a “declining” Teixiera,plus Sabbathia who is feeling his innings whom they absurdly gave an extension? Tex 33 and publically stating “Im declining”,brilliant PR!

    These guys will walk across the street for an extra buck,we live in the era of money is everything,loyalty,comfort with your teammates,location means zilch.

  74. comnsnse February 8th, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Frank G.,nicely put and accurate. Most fans prefer to deal in fantasy,
    .

    Objectivity derived from facts and deductions from same get short shrift with many!


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