Notes from Tampa: Steinbrenner on Cano, A-Rod and the search for an outfielder
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 08, 2013 
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Good news for the guys down who have been monitoring the Yankees minor league complex down in Tampa the past few days. Today was looking like a slow day, but nothing fills up the notebook quite like the owner stopping to talk for a few minutes.
• The Yankees have had a “conversation or two” about extending Robinson Cano, and Steinbrenner expects the team to truly address it “at a later date.” As I’ve said all along, I still think — just a guess — that the Yankees will eventually sign Cano to another long-term deal. How they’ll make it work with the financial plan going forward, I don’t know, but I still think they’ll sign him and try to save money elsewhere.
• Regarding the Alex Rodriguez situation, Steinbrenner said there’s “concern” but repeated the company line about the situation being in the hands of the league at this point.
• Steinbrenner said the same thing Brian Cashman has been saying: The Yankees are still in the market for a right-handed outfielder, and they could keep looking for one through spring training.
• Manny Banuelos told reporters, including the recently arrived Dan Barbarisi, that he’s started playing catch. Banuelos is coming off Tommy John surgery.
We love you, Robinson Cano, and hope the idea of losing you convinces them to put winning first!
Rich in NJ says:
February 8, 2013 at 12:57 pm
They should make a really generous 7 year offer (including upping his AAV for this season), and then trade him now if he rejects the offer.
i must have missed dale carnegie’s rant about when to threaten your employees and their representatives
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You’re making this sound extremely aggressive. I wouldn’t endorse the timing either, but if they did do this in December it would have made a lot of sense and doesn’t read as a threat to me at all.
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Shame Spencer February 8th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
I’m still really surprised Hal even mentioned an extension just now…. he’s got to have some motivation. He was just saying a month ago how that’s not how the organization operates.
Rich in NJ February 8th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
You just make stuff up.
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i didnt make anything up. but you’re ‘thats what negotiators teach’ seemed a little flimsy if you ask me.
…back to work now.
@craigcalcaterra
MLB issues a statement saying that it investigated the Curt Schilling thing and considers the matter closed.
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THAT was quick.
Seriously, the Yankee-bias thing might be overblown but the Red Sox skate on this sh*t all the time.
I’m still really surprised Hal even mentioned an extension just now…. he’s got to have some motivation. He was just saying a month ago how that’s not how the organization operates.
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“and Steinbrenner expects the team to truly address it “at a later date.” ” The later date is doing to be after the world series ends
Lol, probably. Maybe it’s a ‘let’s look busy’ thing.
fem – @drosennhl
Bruins-Lightning game in Boston tomorrow has been moved from 1 p.m. to 7 p.m. due to the storm.
Still no word on anything related to the Devils. Those crazy f*cks will probably stick with the 1pm start time!
“MLB issues a statement saying that it investigated the Curt Schilling thing and considers the matter closed.”
These are not the PED-pushing team officials you’re looking for.
As I’ve said before the Yankees really need to try and prevent Boras from dragging the talks out with Cano into next January…..That’d be the worst case scenario because the price will only get higher and also because the Yanks will have to put everything on hold all winter to wait on him.
Which means they should try for an extension now if they want to sign him…..and if that can’t happen then they need to make their best offer immediately following the 2013 season and put a time limit on it……say listen Robbie we want you but we can’t afford to play your agents game and wait around all winter and be left with nothing if you choose to leave.
He’ll address it like Ralph Kramden addressed that golf ball.
HELLLLOO extension!
blake – The one thing I haven’t been worried about is that the talks will drag on that long. The premium players usually sign first, setting the market.
“I’m still really surprised Hal even mentioned an extension just now…”
He was probably just answering a question about it. Saying they’ve had a couple conversations aboit it and may revisit the topic is pretty vanilla. Saying “Nah, no way we extend that guy if he won’t even dive for a ball!” would be more controversial.
“The later date is doing to be after the world series ends ”
exactly.
hal is simply going to wait till next november after getting a whole year out of cano and then make a decision. if cano has a bad year he looks smart. if cano has a great year, hal can say 200 million is crazy.
if cano gets caught up in peds scandal, hal is looking clever to have waited.
hal really just doesn’t feel like doing anything now. it’s like us when we don’t feel like shoveling the driveway. i mean it’s going to melt anyway. what’s the big deal.
“blake – The one thing I haven’t been worried about is that the talks will drag on that long. The premium players usually sign first, setting the market.”
Boras always does…..especially when he knows multiple teams want a player. Occasionally there will be a Werth scenario where a team throws out an offer that he knows is an over pay and he will take it…..but if Cano reaches free agency then you can bet that it will be dragged out forever…..and the Yanks will be left waiting and waiting. They can’t afford to let that happen……make him decide quickly and if he passes then they have to move on
@eboland11
Hal S again called $189 mil a “goal” “All I can assure the fans is we r always going 2 field a championship caliber team, every single year.
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You can’t say stuff like this and hold the fans accountable for the high expectations surrounding the club.
Nick – That’s true, hopefully they’ll give us more content when they write up their stories so we know how it was brought up.
Trade Cano now. No extension, no negotiation just trade him.
He’s a Boras guy, he doesn’t hustle (and please don’t tell me it’s an island thing), his batting averages for the last two post season series (last year) were .091 and .056 and why pay a ransom for that?
“hal really just doesn’t feel like doing anything now. it’s like us when we don’t feel like shoveling the driveway. i mean it’s going to melt anyway. what’s the big deal.”
they’ll wait til next January and the Dodgers will offer 250 million and then they’ll be left holding a rotten sandwich
It was one thing to overpay A-Rod, but to not learn anything from that mistake?
blake – I’m not sure Boras’ clients sign late by design, though. Arod’s new contract was drawn up pretty quickly, and I don’t know that Boras has had such a slam dunk candidate since.
“He’s a Boras guy, he doesn’t hustle (and please don’t tell me it’s an island thing), his batting averages for the last two post season series (last year) were .091 and .056 and why pay a ransom for that?”
the entire teams post season batting averages for 2011 and 2012 would have been .000 without him because they wouldn’t have even made the playoffs without Cano
If Cano weren’t the top FA on the market I would think it could drag on.. but in this case I see Cano deciding by December.
Boras takes as long as necessary to get his clients the most money. The Yankees give cano what he wants, he’ll sign.
I think teams probably will know what amount they’re ready to offer. I think there will only be a handful of teams, maybe less, that are willing to give Cano the monster deal. They’ll definitely be making their offers early and often… I guess we’ll see
Hopefully Hal just gets him extended somehow.
“blake – I’m not sure Boras’ clients sign late by design, though. Arod’s new contract was drawn up pretty quickly, and I don’t know that Boras has had such a slam dunk candidate since.”
I think they do a lot of times simply because he’s patient….he doesn’t settle.
“Boras takes as long as necessary to get his clients the most money. The Yankees give cano what he wants, he’ll sign.”
We don’t know what he wants yet…..they may start the bidding at 10/250 for all we know….Bowden said he thought they’d start at 10/270!
I think they should make a fair offer right out of the gate and give him 72 hrs to decide…..tell him that if he declines then they’ll keep in touch but the money may be spent if he comes back.
Bowden said he thought they’d start at 10/270!
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I saw that.. if Cano has a good season I don’t see it being a reach either. I think ultimately he’ll sign for $250 million. Which is still insane.
It could easily get done fairly quickly if the Yankees are willing to make a competitive offer and if Robbie puts some real value in staying with the Yankees vs. exploring/getting the highest possible years/dollars combo.
But it coud drag out into 2014 pretty easily too. When did Prince Fielder sign?
He would sign for 10/270 now, if the first year of the deal was 2014, IMO.
I think ultimately he’ll sign for $250 million.
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Not even the Dodgers would go that far.
If he somehow said no, only in a parallel universe would walking away be seen as being “tough .”
“It could easily get done fairly quickly if the Yankees are willing to make a competitive offer and if Robbie puts some real value in staying with the Yankees vs. exploring/getting the highest possible years/dollars combo.”
I agree….I just don’t know how loyal he actually is to the Yankees and what dollar amt they actually want…..if he really wants 250 million then it’ll drag out for a long time because nobody is doing that deal early in the offseason. It’ll take a big bidding war between LA and NY for that to happen….
Prince signed in late January.
It’s an insane world where these kinds of numbers are thrown around, an insane risk for the club that does it, and an Andrew Carnegie fortune for the player that signs. It’s an era of $10 million utility men. Why would anybody want to play football, risk death and dismemberment, when, if they have any baseball skills at all, riches await?
If he’d sign for what Felix just signed for 7/175 then I’d probably do that…..and thats right around where the limit would be. I’d prefer to do 6 years at that money if possible…..but wouldn’t go beyond 7.
if someone slipped a testosterone booster in hal’s milk maybe that would help .
judging from his low energy level and lack of interest in things he may be suffering from LT .
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-20.....504-7.html
“Why would anybody want to play football, risk death and dismemberment, when, if they have any baseball skills at all, riches await?”
it’s harder to get good at baseball and it’s a longer road to the big leagues……..you can’t just be big and strong and be a good baseball player…..it’s a skill game and those skills have to be acquired with countless hours of practice
Anthony McCarron ?@AnthonyMcCarron
Hal: “I think we have some good signings and I think we did our fair share in the off-season.”
oh please Hal…..
blake,
If you were a two-sport star in high school, football and baseball, which would you choose? All I’m sayin.
Hal is becoming a caricature if Hal.
it’s harder to get good at baseball and it’s a longer road to the big leagues……..you can’t just be big and strong and be a good baseball player…..it’s a skill game and those skills have to be acquired with countless hours of practice
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And even countless hours of practice some guys still wash out.
“blake,
If you were a two-sport star in high school, football and baseball, which would you choose? All I’m sayin.”
a lot of kids do chose baseball…..because they can get a signing bonus and start playing pro ball immediately. It depends…..if you’re a star quarterback with a full ride to play at Alabama then that’s different/
Snowy Rhode Island casts its vote for Bradon Sennott!!!
Love your optimism, love your reasoning, love being aligned with your kind of Yankee fandom!
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randi, what are you expecting for snow accumulation?
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shame, I think it is you who may have asked about the prediction chart? It’s open for anyone wanting to predict. Tom has already gotten his prediction in. If you’re ready, just put my name in a post and tell me your prediction.
Austin Aune….the guy the Yanks drafted last year was a big time football prospect and he chose baseball…..bunch of guys do cause they get paid immediately.
from my little league perspective (basketball, football and baseball) football on game-day was the most fun, but there are only like 10 game-days a year and the rest was work and alot of collisions, getting you hands stepped-on, and standing around freezing.
baseball was fun in the league, at practice, in pickup games, on the paved ‘infield’ of buck school, with a stick against the stoop (or in V.S. Central’s gym) or anywhere else. there was always a game you could find from late march till november.
i dont see many pickup games anymore.
Tricia…. Be safe, stay warm. Cano is a very good ballplayer, however he’s not a 25 million dollar a year guy. Never has been and never will be.
trisha-
no snow on accumulating on outer cape cod as of now ( from business surveillance cameras)
in portland maine, there was about 8-10 inches on ground at 9 am and it’s still snowing.
this doesn’t feel like a storm of the century.
this feels like an austerity storm that the weather gods cut back on.
they must be trying to get under some cap.
@craigcalcaterra
MLB issues a statement saying that it investigated the Curt Schilling thing and considers the matter closed.
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Wow, amazing how fast that was…
I wonder what the relationship is between the various caricatures of Hal presented here and the actual person.
Why are we looking for a reserve outfielder? WE DON’T HAVE A STARTING CATCHER!! I think I’d give Barajas a shot at this point.
its snowing heavily in the newark area right now. only a few inches on the ground because it rained for a while but now its becoming a heavy, sticky mess.
local roads have heavy snow piling up, driving conditions are very bad.
dont drive in NNJ if you dont have to.
the biggest problem for a 15-16 year old kid to make with baseball, football , and basketball if he’s good at all three is that even in a really big sunbelt school there will be thousands of fans in the stands at football games and at as many as can fit in a gym for basketball. at baseball games, there are parents and a few girlfriends and that’s it. maybe a hundred people tops.
baseball is simply not a popular high school sport. being a big high school baseball star isn’t the same thing as being a football or basketball star. yeah , that’s being shortsighted, but most 15-16 year olds are looking at what they are doing this weekend and not ten years down the road.
MLB issues a statement saying that it investigated the Curt Schilling thing and considers the matter closed
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Wow, amazing how fast that was…
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Why investigate at all? Did Schilling receive these suggestions via anonymous letter or something?
I wonder what the relationship is between the various caricatures of Hal presented here and the actual person.
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It doesn’t matter. In private he could be the illegitimate son of a Nobel prize winning economist and a saint. That doesn’t change the fact that his assessments of the team’s offseason are kind of fact-challenged.
It doesn’t matter how close the spin in here — and yes, opinions in here can be called spin too — reflects reality?
Interesting perspective.
Hi Pat M! And thank you for caring.
Right now it is the beautiful and quiet kind of snowfall that makes one feel one with nature and totally peaceful. However, a battery-operated radio with the NOAA weather channel, flanked by battery-operated lanterns, tell me not to get used to that feeling!
Yeah that cheapskate Hal — only spent $ 70 + Million this off-season to retain Kuroda, Pettitte, Cano, Granderson, Rivera and Hughes plus another $ 12 M on Youkilis.
I’m not saying I agree with many of the decisions this winter, I don’t…. but the idea that they’ve done “nothing” this off-season is absurd.
randy, I didn’t realize you were in Maine. Geeze, I agree that it doesn’t feel like the storm of the century. My SIL insures me that the worst is definitely yet to come. I’m still reading that you’re still due to get 18-24″. Our reports are that we’re going to get really strong winds tonight along with the increased snowfall.
Blizzard, it ain’t, at least not at this point!
I’m most impressed, my staff made it in, including the new Filipino kid who had to drive 2 hours. What’s wrong with the rest of Canada?
And to be clear, I meant the actual person as principle owner of the Yankees, not as a husband/father/fourth in golf/etc.
It doesn’t matter how close the spin in here — and yes, opinions in here can be called spin too — reflects reality?
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Except that it is in our interest to “spin” his comments as positively as possible (you go to war with the owner you have), but the operative word is possible.
pat m-
just curious. where the so cal area is still so strong in baseball, how many fans attend baseball games vs football games?
What’s wrong with the rest of Canada?
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i believe they call it ‘arctic cat fever’
i prefer snowshoes myself….
randy l. February 8th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
in portland maine, there was about 8-10 inches on ground at 9 am and it’s still snowing.
this doesn’t feel like a storm of the century.
this feels like an austerity storm that the weather gods cut back on.
they must be trying to get under some cap.
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I’m in Boston and it started snowing at 10AM, how could this storm which is moving south to north have already dumped that much in Maine??
Hope you guys are ok down there; I take it you got it worse than us soft Canadians.
Good luck to everyone with the snow. My daughter is in Manhattan and got to work from home so she’s happy. I’m in florida and wish it was snowing
“Our reports are that we’re going to get really strong winds tonight along with the increased snowfall.”
yes, around midnight is when the blizzard winds are supposed to kick in which could affect power lines all over new england. we’re not out of the woods yet, but so far so good.
Yeah, no. Some people here try to spin his comments and actions as positively as possible and some as negatively as possible. Absent individual agendas, I would think our interest lie in getting to a more accurate picture.
“MLB issues a statement saying that it investigated the Curt Schilling thing and considers the matter closed”
“This action is filed by the victims of a conspiracy to eliminate major league baseball in Montreal,” begins a lawsuit filed July 16, 2002, by the former owners of the Montreal Expos. Among the defendants: Jeffrey Loria, David Samson and Bud Selig.
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MLB bought the Expos for $120 million and gave Loria a $38.5 million interest-free loan. Loria, in turn, purchased the Marlins for $158.5 million. And the Marlins’ owner, John Henry, led a consortium to obtain the Boston Red Sox. It was good-ol’-boys glad-handing at its finest, and the consequences for the Expos were dire.
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“MLB issues a statement saying that it investigated the Curt Schilling thing and considers the matter closed”
MF’n stunning.
Let me try that again, with the emphasis where it belongs/ed.
“MLB issues a statement saying that it investigated the Curt Schilling thing and considers the matter closed”
“This action is filed by the victims of a conspiracy to eliminate major league baseball in Montreal,” begins a lawsuit filed July 16, 2002, by the former owners of the Montreal Expos. Among the defendants: Jeffrey Loria, David Samson and Bud Selig.
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MLB bought the Expos for $120 million and gave Loria a $38.5 million interest-free loan. Loria, in turn, purchased the Marlins for $158.5 million. And the Marlins’ owner, John Henry, led a consortium to obtain the Boston Red Sox. It was good-ol’-boys glad-handing at its finest, and the consequences for the Expos were dire.
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“MLB issues a statement saying that it investigated the Curt Schilling thing and considers the matter closed”
MF’n stunning.
I had fun in the Subaru.
“how could this storm which is moving south to north have already dumped that much in Maine??”
there was a big gap in the radar when i got up and looked. it was blue in maine and nothing in boston.
i shoveled it so i’m not kidding when i say 8-10 inches in driveway. it was really dry and fluffy though. easy to shovel.
I miss the ‘spos and Ken Singleton.
Rick Monday sure was stormy in Montreal.
86, I’ve got a snowball just for you
Okay, one more time.
“MLB issues a statement saying that it investigated the Curt Schilling thing and considers the matter closed”
“This action is filed by the victims of a conspiracy to eliminate major league baseball in Montreal,” begins a lawsuit filed July 16, 2002, by the former owners of the Montreal Expos. Among the defendants: Jeffrey Loria, David Samson and Bud Selig.
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MLB bought the Expos for $120 million and gave Loria a $38.5 million interest-free loan. Loria, in turn, purchased the Marlins for $158.5 million. And the Marlins’ owner, John Henry, led a consortium to obtain the Boston Red Sox. It was good-ol’-boys glad-handing at its finest, and the consequences for the Expos were dire.
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“MLB issues a statement saying that it investigated the Curt Schilling thing and considers the matter closed”
MF’n stunning.
Interesting Randy, thanks for the update. They called it a mostly coastal storm with the bulk of it in Mass, but sounds like Maine is in for even more. The skiing should be phenomenal!! My fiance and I just had some homemade chilli
Still snowing ( my staff sent home ) – hope I don’t have to go out there again
Mike, I hope you’re sticking to cross country unless you have Steve Podborski desires.
Anyway, my little musing about caricature vs. actual person is too squishy and subjective to have an answer. There are multiple caricatures and the type of actual person Hal is as principle owner is too open to honest debate and isn’t a fixed entity in any case. Just wondering out loud.
mike_ boston
homemade chili sounds good to me in a snowstorm
i like snow. if you’re going to be in a northern climate , there’s way more to do with lots of snow on the ground.
Congratulations on your engagement, Mike_Boston! Your personal joy should offset some of the gloom that many Beantowners should be feeling this season.
Jmills,
I will be taking a day trip on Sunday, not sure where yet; roads should be more than adequate by then. Had to look up Steve Podborski, looks like your version of our Bode Miller.
Yeah, no. Some people here try to spin his comments and actions as positively as possible and some as negatively as possible. Absent individual agendas, I would think our interest lie in getting to a more accurate picture.
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I can only speak for myself; my agenda is a management team that makes the best decisions in MLB.
Podborski became the first non European downhill champ. It was a bit of a surprise as Ken Read was the favoured boy here.
Love those, ” Crazy Canucks “
Gilles Villeneuve was quite impressed with the naked speed of downhillers.
Tin Cup……No comparision when it comes to Friday Night Lights and the average HS baseball game. Although the summer Connie Mack games will draw a hundred or more, but then again these are the elite HS ballplayers. I finally started to hit balls this week and I was surprised to find myself hitting 7 irons 160 yards. Must be the pilates and the SET workouts the past 8 weeks. In a few weeks I’m going to find out my club head speed once I start hitting the big woods. Tricia, hope you have cash and candles on hand in the event of a power interuption. Plastic cards are of no value when the lights go out. Be safe all
just looked at doppler radar. the storm seems to be starting to get the spinning pinwheel look of a nor’easter. looks like it’ll be here for a while.
I cannot overstate how much I detest Bud Selig. I remember growing up that we were always told that hate was reserved for the devil. Well let me say I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE Bud Selig. That nasty, sneaky, devious, slimy little twerp, butt buddy of all that is evil and Sux conspirator extraordinaire, will definitely get his. I only hope that I get the pleasure of reading about it. Evil little bas*ard helped screw Montreal, and he gave his blessing to his beelzebubian deputy, Jeffrey Loria, to do the same to Miami.
I HATE YOU BUD SELIG, YOU WORTHLESS WORM!!! I hope you have your minions googling your name so you can see how many people are on to you and how much negative karma you’ve earned, you nasty, transparent little cheat!
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Hi jmills! Are you getting any snow at all?
Hi, Trish, not ‘nuf. Can u be a little bit more emphatic my good friend?
jmills,
A good Catholic upbringing prevents her from saying what she really thinks, good thing, too.
I watched a Mustang trying to escape a side street this morning. F…… Hilarious.
Yeah, Tom, or else, we’d all have hell to pay
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Hmm. I’m down in Central NJ, and it’s just turned to freezing rain, with a few snowflakes mixed in. My husband’s working up off of Exit 135 on the Pkway, which is closer to your area. Hope he leaves work soon, but I haven’t heard yet. I hate this kind of weather.
Pat M –
Hope you’re well.
Everyone in the NorthEast area – stay safe.
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I thought it was amazing how quickly the Curt Schilling stuff was put to rest, and how Curt himself seemed to backtrack just a bit in a subsequent interview. Amazing, but not surprising. Sigh.
Randy L -
Might be planning a trip to the Cape this summer. In your opinion, would June or July be a better time for such a trip?
I’m always worried more about the other drivers than the weather.
jmills this type of weather, which I hate, brings out the worst in too many drivers.
Doreen, I concur. Everybody, take it slow.
doreen-
if you like less people, the few weeks before public schools get out (around june 20th) is good. if you like the feel of peak season with everything bustling, anytime after july 4th is good.
being a baseball fan, you’ll have to take in a few cape league games. they have an old fashioned americana feel to them, but you might be watching the future number one draft pick in the country playing. really good baseball.
randy l -
Thanks for that info. I’ll run it past the other half. We were definitely planning on taking in some Cape baseball. And I think there is summer theater there as well, if I remember correctly. I think we are close enough to the mainland to do a day trip to Boston one day.
It’s been too long since we were there last – my girls weren’t even born at the time!!!
Schilling is actually referring to a 2008 incident that was supposedly already investigated by MLB. It is old news that he decided to revisit.
It’s snowing steadily here in North Central NJ, but small wet flakes with not too much sticking yet. Maybe an inch and a half. However, the wind has been blowing fiercely all day and visibility isn’t good. The worst of it is supposed to hit tonight into the AM. Keep warm and safe, all.
Shame, Pens were supposed to leave early today and practice at the Rock this afternoon. I haven’t heard of an update.
Yf, we have more than you do, nanananana!
New post, geesh, I can’t keep up.