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Week in review: Just waiting for Tuesday

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 10, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m in the air right now, making my way south for my annual seven-week stay in Tampa. In other words, it’s time for spring training. We’re less than 48 hours away from pitchers and catchers showing up to take their physicals. Camp opens on Tuesday, the first workout is Wednesday, and we’re very close to seeing some actual baseball.

It’s spring training, folks. Finally.

My guess is that most of us get a little sentimental about the game, especially this time of year, which is why Andy was perfect for this morning’s Pinch Hitter post. I remember playing catch in the yard, mostly with my mother because my dad was in the fields planting corn or harvesting soybeans. I remember driving to St. Louis with the family, I remember trading cards with my best friend, and I remember playing Tiffle Ball — our name for using a taped up Whiffle ball bat and a tennis ball — in the empty lot next to another friend’s house.

I guess every sport has a sense of family and community attached to it, but baseball has always been especially good for those sort of memories. And it’s nice to know the whole thing is about to get started again.

Until then, here’s one last week in review. Though, really, the past week was all about counting down the days.

• Francisco Cervelli’s name has been attached to the Miami anti-aging clinic that reportedly gave performance enhancing drugs to Alex Rodriguez, but Cervelli has said he simply talked to the clinic about legal ways to recover from his foot injury. “I purchased supplements that I am certain were not prohibited by Major League Baseball,” Cervelli said in a statement.

• Working out at the minor league complex, Ivan Nova told reporters that he fully expects to win a spot in the Yankees rotation. Pitching coach Larry Rothschild seemed to agree that Nova should be considered a favorite for the rotation.

• Joba Chamberlain said that he finally heard back from Kevin Youkilis. Guess they won’t get into a clubhouse fist fight after all.

• CC Sabathia and David Phelps were each honored at the Thurman Munson Awards Dinner.

• The Yankees have vowed support for Rodriguez, but they’ve largely declined to comment on his current situation.

• Hal Steinbrenner said the Yankees have had a “conversation or two” about a contract extension with Robinson Cano, but those talks aren’t likely to get serious until much later.

• Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman have each said the Yankees will continue looking for a right-handed outfielder through spring training.

• Manny Banuelos told reporters at the Yankees complex that he’s started playing catch, and Mason Williams said that he’ll be 100 percent in time for the season.

• The Mariners have agreed to a contract extension with Felix Hernandez, which should take his name out of trade speculation for at least a week or two.

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204 Responses to “Week in review: Just waiting for Tuesday”

  1. jacksquat February 10th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    randy l. “what’s happening is some people are saying yankee management is great and 91-92 wins is fine.”

    Who said Yankee management is “great”?

    The problem is, some people defend against people like JAP and Randy L among other saying Yankee management is horrendous – which doesn’t mean we think it’s “great” – and then get labeled as “Cashman apologists”.

    These kinds of people don’t seem to be interested in having a reasonable discussion, just promoting their extreme viewpoints.

    I’m putting you types down for 85 wins tops.

  2. Shame Spencer February 10th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    Repost:

    Shame Spencer February 10th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Ys – The foundation of the team is solid for 2013 thanks to the vets. No one on here that’s watched this team for the past 20+ years is going to bet against Andy, Mo, Jeter, and CC. There’s a difference between the skepticism regarding the front office and understanding the reality of the division. The commentary on the pessimism in here is way overblown, IMO. Criticisms and realism are confused with doom and gloom. Let the data that comes from the predictions speak for itself. How negative can people really be if they’re still predicting a 90+ win seasons?

    All that being said, I don’t know if this is a World Series caliber team. Some people are gonna be happy with 92 wins and a playoff berth (however they get it)… The only thing that makes me truly happy is excellence. I think it takes a least half a seasons to figure out if your team has the eye of the tiger. I hope this club shows some character that makes me believe they can go all the way.

  3. Ys Guy February 10th, 2013 at 1:54 pm

    i get it, everyone’s got a reason why they are going to predict 90+ after constantly blasting management.

    it’s called ‘playing it safe’

    if they win the division, you predicted a good win total.

    if they have a terrible year, you blasted every move they made.

    you win either way.

    i get it.

  4. Tar February 10th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    The Yankees could go undefeated in ST and it wouldn’t change my feelings on where they stand this year one bit.

    Now a key injury would definitely lower my already low expectations even further.

    Right now— 91 wins.

    But in a shock because you just can’t predict baseball, that will be enough to win the East. :D

  5. G. Love February 10th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    I predicted 102 wins last year because I thought Granderson would be better, we’d have a full season of Gardner, that Martin would be better, that Arod would be better and that our pitching was top notch.

    This season I’m predicting 90 wins and that’s if everything breaks right and we avoid injuries. A couple of key injuries with the lack of depth on this roster and the lack of a legit C and RH hitting OF and we could be an 85 win team.

    I’m at 90 with our pitching being strong and healthy.

    My 102 last year was me thinking Pineda would come in and be very good and our rotation depth and bullpen depth would make us pretty much unbeatable.

    Then the spring starter and we lost Pineda & Joba pretty quickly and some guys took steps back.

    That’s why I think 90 is optimistic & appropriate right now.

    If they make some trades and improve the hitting in certain spots, they can improve on that number for sure in my mind.

  6. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    “I’m putting you types down for 85 wins tops.”

    i’ve already said that i think 91-92 wins +/-

    is there some part of that you don’t understand?

    what is your feel right now on yankee wins ?

    i’m guessing it’s not far from mine and others.

    the difference is how we perceive the number.

    i think 91-92 wins going into a yankee season while spending over 200 million dollars isn’t really trying.

  7. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    I’m sure there is a lot of boredom, but seven weeks on the Florida Gulf Coast does not sound awful. Next week they will even let reporters inside the fences.

  8. Tar February 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    “These kinds of people don’t seem to be interested in having a reasonable discussion, just promoting their extreme viewpoints.

    I’m putting you types down for 85 wins tops.”

    This is funny. Pot meet kettle. And who and when did someone call you a Cashman apologist?

  9. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Ys guy,

    Are you really prescient? Now, you know what others are thinking and will say in the future. Such amazingly skill to go with social ability.

  10. Shame Spencer February 10th, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Ys – You’re so melodramatic lol.. no one is playing anything safe. I could have inherited this team if they fired Cash and produced 88 wins in this division (I wouldn’t have had any authority to make any changes anyway!).

    This difference is that even though I’m predicting 92 wins I’m not really all that thrilled about it because I don’t see this team being a contender for the WS. Does that make things more clear?

  11. UnKnown February 10th, 2013 at 2:01 pm

    Missed the new thread – Repost

    So if I am understanding this right, if the FO would have made some more of the moves that people here wanted to see then those people would be up to around 97 or 98 wins?

    I think anything over 95 is a somewhat unrealistic prediction even if the Yankees FO did everything right. As much as people don’t think there is parity in MLB, I believe that there is quite a bit of parity. Always a surprise team or two every year.

    90 to 95 wins means to me that the Yankees are going to be very competitive with a realistic shot to win it all. And that is not the way it was portrayed here at all.

    I was just anticipating numbers scattered in the 80?s for people’s predictions.

    I do buy AustinMac and the 2014 theory, but I thought most were really worried about this season as well. A prediction in the 90?s tells me that actually people are confident for the 2013 season.

  12. blake February 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    I think the Yanks are about an 87-90 win team that could win 92 or so if everything breaks right or could be close to .500 if everything goes wrong.

    They aren’t gonna be a terrible team….but a Phillies like collapse due to age and injury risk is possible.

    I think if they pitch well they could make the playoffs….but on paper this is one of the more risk filled teams the Yanks have fielded in years.

    I’ll predict 89 wins and a WC grab

  13. Shame Spencer February 10th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    I also don’t think anyone has any reason to ‘play it safe’ on a blog for a prediction chart that means absolutely nothing. (No offense, trisha!) It’s just a friendly thing.. and like I said, we were charged with being doom and gloom last year but the data showed something very, very different.

  14. Tar February 10th, 2013 at 2:05 pm

    FYI—It is possible to be an optimistic person and not like the Yankees chances this year.

    For me everything has to break right for them to have a chance. Usually things have to go wrong for them NOT to have a chance. Big difference.

    Having said that I would never bet against some of the veterans on this team.

  15. Shame Spencer February 10th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    A prediction in the 90?s tells me that actually people are confident for the 2013 season.

    ————————–

    Could just be we’re confident no one is running away with the division.

    Like blake said, if CC or Kuroda or Hughes go down for a long stretch of time (Andy is almost certain to miss time) we might be below 89 wins.

    Health is ultimately going to determine how far this team goes. Our depth isn’t fantastic.

  16. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    “Now a key injury would definitely lower my already low expectations even further.”

    all teams get injuries, but this yankee team is running thin. anything more than what a normal team gets and this year’s team would really be in trouble.

  17. blake February 10th, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    “Health is ultimately going to determine how far this team goes. Our depth isn’t fantastic.”

    Correct…

  18. jmills February 10th, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Chad, I had the, ” Johnny Bench Batter Up, ” cemented in my suburban backyard. I also had one of those spring nets with a bull’s eye you could pitch into while it fired back somewhat at you ( caused a little concern for the neighbours )

  19. Shame Spencer February 10th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    blake – I took issue with our depth last year because for the full season we kept carrying Ibanez AND Jones which was completely redundant. Right now, if and OFer goes down who is our 4th OFer? That guy, to me, is pretty important. He might get more time than we’re penciling him in for.

    Same goes for the left side of the INF. If Jeter and/or Youk go down, I don’t love our options there either.. mostly because something tells me they’ll plug Nix in there instead of Adams or Mustillier.

  20. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Health is absolutely the key this year. Jeter and Mo must return and play well. We are optimistic because of who they are, but a 38 year old shortstop and 43 year old closer coming off significant ankle injuries must be a concern until shown otherwise. There are others with health issues such as Youkilis and Hafner, but Jeter and Mo are vital.

    I am hopeful CC will have a little more stuff after his arm surgery.

  21. Ys Guy February 10th, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    that is totally playing it safe.

    if you have the courage to actually stand up for all the stupidity and cluelessness you accuse the team of, or if the team was as clueless and idiotic as many of you accuse them of being, you’d be predicting 80 wins.

    how can a team that makes every wrong move and is totally cheap and more interested in making every last dollar than actually winning actually end up winning 91 games?

    some of you have blasted pretty much every move they’ve made for 4 or 5 years.

    please, have a pair and stand up for what you’ve been saying for months or year

    don’t play both sides of the fence, that’s just chicken.

  22. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    weird things happen in baseball.

    it’s 50/50 youkillis could have a good year. 50/50 ichiro could have a good year. 50/50 jeter could have a year like last year. i could go on and on with this team.

    the problem is if you make enough 50/50 coin flips chances are that a lot of them are going to come up the wrong way.

    the yankees used to keep the 50/50 flips to a minimum. usually the yankees were having 70/30 or 80-20 odds in their favor.

    what’s the odd on pineda contributing this year? i’d say maybe 20%.

    to me that’s just not the yankee way to hope for these kind of low odds. hal might get lucky this year and surprise a lot of us, but he done little to stack the odds in his favor.

    that said, it’s possible. stranger things have happened.

  23. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    “please, have a pair and stand up for what you’ve been saying for months or year

    don’t play both sides of the fence, that’s just chicken.”

    look, we all go through some rough times in our lives. take some time off, get some help.
    come back when you aren’t in such a bad mood :)

  24. UnKnown February 10th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Oh man this is going to be one wild ride that is for sure.

    2013 is going to be chaotic in the Land of Lohud. “Dun Dun Dun”

  25. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    How’s this for a forecast? If they stay under the $189M mark in 2014, a.500 or lower record.

    Now, what do you say, Ys, the win total win be for my year?

    One can readily suggest others have no balls on a blog. I suggest to you such a comment can only come from one with no brain.

  26. blake February 10th, 2013 at 2:23 pm

    ” Right now, if and OFer goes down who is our 4th OFer”

    Melky Mesa?

  27. Ys Guy February 10th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    im in a great mood, my buisness is thriving, and ST is about to begin.

    i just cant stand people who want to play it safe.

  28. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Blake, you are being negative. The season does not start tomorrow. Someone will be released by another team to fill the spot.

  29. blake February 10th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    2013 was never the real concern….they should be competitive this year barring major injuries……it’s beyond there where the uncertainty lies.

    If the prospects don’t hit then will Hal authorize spending the money to keep the team competitive?…..that we will have to wait and see on.

    I do think the 2013 Yankees could make the playoffs…..I also think they could fall apart totally and be an 83 win team….you could say that for any year but I feel like given the age and performance decline they are carrying there is more risk of the latter than they usually have ……

    It is what it is…..they are gonna try to get under that cap and give the prospects a chance to get them there…..

  30. blake February 10th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    austinmac says:
    February 10, 2013 at 2:26 pm
    Blake, you are being negative. The season does not start tomorrow. Someone will be released by another team to fill the spot.

    Grady Sizemore isn’t old but he gets hurt a lot

  31. David in Cal February 10th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    95 wins — 2012

    -2…………Catcher
    -2 …………Right Field
    0…………..Closer
    -1………….3B Arod wasn’t great, Youk’s hitting might continue to deteriorate
    -2…………..Jeter, Teix. Kuroda, Andy all a year older
    +1………….Healthy Gardner

    89 wins…….2013 prediction

  32. MG February 10th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Here’s a suggestion-wait until the day before the season starts to make any predictions, then you at least have seen the players on the field and know the final roster.

  33. blake February 10th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    “i just cant stand people who want to play it safe.”

    You mean you can’t stand when people call things the way they see them then…..there is a lot of uncertainty with this team….a lot of questions….you can give your bold prediction if you wish

  34. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    I don’t know if Sizemore will ever play again. It looks unlikely, bit he was a fun player to watch. I would darn sure check out his condition just in case.

  35. Ys Guy February 10th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    no i mean i cant stand people who’ve said for years that the FO is clueless predicting the team making the playoffs for the what 17 or 18 seasons?

    at what point does it occur to you that its not possible for the FO to be as clueless as you accuse them of being to be this successful?

    and at what point to you have the cajones to actually predict that what you’ve been b*thching about for months or years will actually come to pass?

  36. jmills February 10th, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    95 wins for the Jays ( unless I lose three starters in a week )- I guess I have, ” high hopes “

  37. jmills February 10th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    Austin, Sizemore is a talented player, almost as good as Gruber! :)

  38. Ys Guy February 10th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    sorry jmills 88 wins for the jays.

    but you’ll enjoy the hell out of every one of reyes’ 119 games.

  39. pkyankfan69 February 10th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Is Sizemore (in his pre-injury form) a pretty decent comparison for the type of player Heathcott has the potential to become? I’m assuming Heathcott has less potential in terms of hitting for power?

  40. blake February 10th, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    jmills says:
    February 10, 2013 at 2:37 pm
    95 wins for the Jays ( unless I lose three starters in a week )- I guess I have, ” high hopes “

    I think 95 wins would be a good over/under number for then Jays…..their pitching has to stay healthy though as that will be their key

  41. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Jmills,

    Their careers are similar. I remember Gruber in high school. He was a rare talent.

  42. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    Phyank,

    I have heard the Heathcott comparison. If we can leave out the injury part, that would be fabulous.

  43. blake February 10th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    “Is Sizemore (in his pre-injury form) a pretty decent comparison for the type of player Heathcott has the potential to become? I’m assuming Heathcott has less potential in terms of hitting for power?”

    I think as an absolute upside maybe….before the injuries Grady was one of the better players in baseball

  44. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    I don’t see it in the stats, but the scouting reports talk about Heathcott having a lot of power. One scout went so far to compare him to Hamilton. Let’s hope he’s right.

  45. jmills February 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Ys, LMAO! Austin, Gruber was ever so clutch in ninety. I don’t know what the hell happened between him and Cito in ’92. Ask, Boomer, he didn’t like Gaston either.

  46. blake February 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    If Heathcott can be Gardner with 15 homer power and better healthy then that’s a super valuable guy…..I’m really excited to see if he can stay on the field a full year and what he can do at AA

  47. theREALkevin February 10th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I’m not as bullish on the Jays as most. A lot of their key players are injury prone, and until they’ve established a winning culture there, all they’ve done is win the off season (I guess). I’m also not sold that Dickey can continue pitching like this, getting to an advanced age and now in the AL East. They’ll definitely be improved, but some of this World Series talk from writers and other ppl is wayyyy overboard in my opinion.

  48. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    “im in a great mood, my buisness is thriving, and ST is about to begin.”

    if you don’t have a back up plan on your back up plan in this economy you will be smiling all the way to a failed business. the idiot gallery owner next door to me was laughing all the way through last summer after 14 years of business. what him worry? or work 100 hour weeks. nope.

    he was an optimist. he put “gone swimming on his door” in peak summer thinking it was real cute.

    me? i battled like it was life and death and thought things were tough. i read nourial roubini , aka dr doom saying another crash might be coming worst than the first one in 2008. i was worried. cynical about the year and the coming years.

    oh yeah, business ended up 10 % for the year, and i have that business space next door added to my business for this year.
    so much for worrying not working. you have to be smart enough to worry sometimes.

    everyone has their way of doing things and looking at things. there’s no one way, but in the end you better come up with something that works.

  49. pkyankfan69 February 10th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    blake February 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    I’m really excited to see if he can stay on the field a full year and what he can do at AA
    ——————————————————-

    Agreed, AA is going to be a lot of fun to watch this year, hope to see Mason and Sanchez there later in the year as well.

  50. Jerkface February 10th, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    Brett Gardner with 15 HR Power is a perennial all-star :) I hope Heathcott can reach that, though better health is iffy given his all out play style.

    His attitude/play style will make him a fan favorite if he can make it to the show. Big year for him coming up.

  51. jmills February 10th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    REALkevin, looks like a fun year, transistor on the side deck and all.

  52. blake February 10th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    @Buster_ESPN: Filed to ESPN news desk: Concern about Felix Hernandez’s elbow might affect contract talks about the proposed extension.

  53. blake February 10th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    “Brett Gardner with 15 HR Power is a perennial all-star I hope Heathcott can reach that, though better health is iffy given his all out play style.”

    Yup….Damon was kinda that when he was young …

  54. jmills February 10th, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    Wow! The king might be dead?

  55. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 3:05 pm

    i was looking back at last february.
    check out this link for a scary post
    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....t-he-says/

  56. blake February 10th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Mariners probably took a second and thought…..dang that’s a lot of cash for a guy that’s thrown soanybinnings…..that elbow looks a little funny on the X-ray don’t it doc

  57. Ys Guy February 10th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    well of course, best luck to you yours and your buisness in 2013 no matter what, randy.

    i know we’re gonna need it here!

    and all the other buisness owners in the crowd.

  58. jmills February 10th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    Blake, I found radiology clean and easy.

  59. Against All Odds February 10th, 2013 at 3:11 pm

    What type of business do you own Ys?

  60. tucker February 10th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Y’s Guy — there has been a change in tenor on his board about management and ownership over the past 2-3 years. Go back to 2007-08 offseason (the five years that you suggested), and this board overwhelmingly was singing the praises of Cashman. It was the generation trey era. The future was bright, the farm system stocked.

    What we have seen the past 2-3 years is the cause for skepticism. The Yanks stopped investing in free agent position players. They penciled in certain levels of production from ARod and Tex and figured he offense was “fixed” through the length of those players’ contracts. Only the spreadsheets cooked up by Hal and Cashman did not account for this level of decline. That is where the skepticism comes in from this board.

    I do think the 2013 Yanks are a 92-93 win team. Next year we will see the drop in wins and a miss of the playoffs — unless the FO and Hal deviate from the 189 goal.

  61. jmills February 10th, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Everybody with a business is a tad worried. Its a break with you guys today, then its back to the hockey stick tomorrow.

  62. Against All Odds February 10th, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    CC at the Knicks game

    I can’t lie I’m ready for the season to start

  63. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    “well of course, best luck to you yours and your buisness in 2013 no matter what, randy.”

    ys guy-

    best of luck to you too with your business. trashing taking about baseball is one thing,but we all need some good fortune with the economy.

  64. tomingeorgia February 10th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Ys Guy,
    It has been a struggle the last couple of years, working harder, making about the same, or a little less. Maybe, just maybe, it will start to turn around this spring, like Yankees optimism.

  65. Jerkface February 10th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/2013/.....-ii-82284/

    Dont watch this if you do not wanna catch giancarlo fever

  66. Ys Guy February 10th, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    magic johnson speaking of lebron:

    “he’s playing the best 5 game stretch of any player i’ve seen”

  67. pkyankfan69 February 10th, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    This is only my 3rd year of being in the “real” business world, I’m a sales rep primarily for a domestic manufacturing company in Pa. We supply other domestic manufacturers in a wide variety of industries, construction – building products type stuff… I deal a ton with small business owners and while everyone is still a bit nervous we will hit another down turn I have to say at least from my perspective things are starting to look up. Last year was more than solid for us and this year we are expecting the need for a full overnight shift. A 3rd overnight shift is something my company has not required since the early 2000′s… Personally I am going to do somewhere between 5 – 6 times the amount of sales I did my first year. I might just be young and naive (and I realize my head is not on the line like an actually business owner even though I work on full commish) but I have to say I am pretty optimistic for the near future.

  68. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “Maybe, just maybe, it will start to turn around this spring, like Yankees optimism.”

    tomingeorgia,

    i’m not trying to be adversarial here, but i personally don’t find “optimism” by itself a useful business quality to have . obviously if you have a business you think you can pull it off, but i tend to scan the horizon looking for danger rather than saying : gee, aren’t things grand .”.

    the one caveat i have with optimism is that don’t take my overall business concerns to the customers. i keep myself off the counter and put perky positive people in there. it’s part of being professional to keep things fun and light in the kind of resort business i’m in because the customer isn’t coming in for a dose hard reality. they’re on vacation. of course i’m also not selling anyone anything they actually need either.

    anyway, i really don’t see how optimism is a useful thing to have when running a business. i’m not saying being pessimistic is something i want to do either. i’m rather saying being very skeptical and not trusting things to be naturally good tom me is a healthier way to run a business.

    in other words i’m much happier if i worry a lot .
    things seem to work out better :)

  69. Wave Your Hat February 10th, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    2012 was probably the Yanks’ last hurrah. This is an 87 win team, with a lot of luck, sure, they could win 92, but a 2012 Sox type collapse is not out of the question either. An old, old club, with a watered down offense, no bench and no help at AAA.

  70. Cashmoney February 10th, 2013 at 4:12 pm

    SUNDAY, 2:25pm: The Mariners and Hernandez are not close to finishing an extension because concern has developed over the condition of his pitching elbow, a source tells ESPN’s Buster Olney. The elbow issue is perceived by at least one of the parties in the deal as being a possible impediment to the completion of the new contract, according to Olney.
    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#d2jUA9yJjUFi3wvZ.99

  71. 86w183 February 10th, 2013 at 4:19 pm

    When the King Felix extension was announced I was the first to express concern about his health since he was soooooo bad last September (0-4, 6.62 ERA, 1.78 WHIP).

    This is not surprising at all.

    Psst…. Buster….. I can tell you which “party” is concerned about the elbow….. what a tool.

  72. Ys Guy February 10th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    when i say my buisness is thriving i only mean that relative to how bad it was when we bought it. :)

  73. tomingeorgia February 10th, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    randy,
    We share the same kind of trade, but the bride and I are the ones who answer the phone and make the breakfast, pour the wine and run the credit cards. The atmosphere here is important to the guests (it’s why they come, and come back), and I don’t have any perky positive people to front for me. That’s my job.

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  75. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    tomingeorgia and ys guy-

    so as business people when we get down it we’re realists. we know sometimes being positive is good for business ike when helping customers but other times it’s not necessary.

    i’m not trying to come to anything definitive here about positivism as related to being a yankee fan, but i think its interesting how this simple concept (that we all seem to agree isn’t that important to our businesses from our perspective of running them) has become some kind of litmus test in some eyes of how good a yankee fan you are.

    i think a lot of things are important, but positiveness isn’t high on my list. look at thurman. he made a living on on being grumpy.

  76. jacksquat February 10th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

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    “I’m putting you types down for 85 wins tops.”

    i’ve already said that i think 91-92 wins +/-

    is there some part of that you don’t understand?

    what is your feel right now on yankee wins ?

    i’m guessing it’s not far from mine and others.

    the difference is how we perceive the number.

    i think 91-92 wins going into a yankee season while spending over 200 million dollars isn’t really trying.

    91-92 wins is a good team and you have been saying the Yankees are badly managed and won’t be a good team.

  77. Duh Innings II February 10th, 2013 at 4:57 pm

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  78. jacksquat February 10th, 2013 at 4:58 pm

    Tar February 10th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    “These kinds of people don’t seem to be interested in having a reasonable discussion, just promoting their extreme viewpoints.

    I’m putting you types down for 85 wins tops.”

    This is funny. Pot meet kettle. And who and when did someone call you a Cashman apologist?

    That is a direct quote from JAP.

  79. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 5:04 pm

    “91-92 wins is a good team and you have been saying the Yankees are badly managed and won’t be a good team.”

    with the resources and the tradition the yankees have 91-92 wins is not a good yankee team.

    the 2000 yankees only won 87 games, but they lost 15 of their last 18 games. they obviously “clinched” early and shut it down.

  80. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    another thing too, visualizing success is important , but it’s also not the same thing as optimism.

  81. jacksquat February 10th, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
    “91-92 wins is a good team and you have been saying the Yankees are badly managed and won’t be a good team.”

    with the resources and the tradition the yankees have 91-92 wins is not a good yankee team.

    When is the last time 4/5 teams in the division had a chance to win the division? 91-92 wins may just win the division. For 2013 that is a good team.

  82. UnKnown February 10th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

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  83. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    “When is the last time 4/5 teams in the division had a chance to win the division?”

    once hal has the yankee drop back towards the pack of course more teams have a shot.

  84. jacksquat February 10th, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    The Rays, Jays and O’s are all improved from the past.

  85. randy l. February 10th, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    “The Rays, Jays and O’s are all improved from the past.”

    the yankees used to be scoring 900 runs per season.

    when they start scoring 800 runs a season a lot of other teams look improved.

  86. Rich in NJ February 10th, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    If the Mariners are smart, they will end all contract talks with Felix and then revisit them some time next season.

    They aren’t winning anything with or without Felix any time soon. Why risk burning a boatload of money for no reason?

    In fact, I wish every team in MLB would wake up to the fact that a contract over 5 years, especially for a pitcher, is crazy.

  87. tucker February 10th, 2013 at 6:21 pm

    The Mariners early extension of Felix is curious, particularly of a contract of that reported amount.
    I understand they view him as a franchise pitcher, but …

    Of course now Felix may need to prove he’s healthy. Almost seems like a page out of the Red Sox negotiating handbook. Reach terms with a player, those terms are publicly reported, find something during the physical, renegotiate those terms for a more team-friendly deal.

  88. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    When velocity drops, there is a reason. CC’s dropped last year and bone chips were discovered. Felix has had a physical decline as I said last week. Perhaps, it is readily fixable. We don’t know.

  89. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 6:57 pm

    I just watched the Giancarlo video. What power. Wow. All I want is Giancarlo is right and Harper in left. Is that so wrong?

  90. yankeehotelfoxtrot February 10th, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    Out of curiosity and blizzard boredom, I added up the average number of wins for our pitching staff (the usual 11 suspects, leaving out a second lefty, Cody Eppley, Mark Montgomery type) based on a 162 game average: C.C.-17, Pettitte-17, Kuroda-13, Hughes-14, Nova-15, Phelps-4, Aardsma-3, Logan-4, Joba-4, D-Rob-4, Mo-5. That adds up to 100. At first glance, these numbers all seem legit. Plus, Hughes is pitching for a contract, Kuroda won 16 last year and easily could again. I keep hearing 90-92 (everywhere, not just here) and I was on board with it until now. There are obviously many variables, mainly injuries and the 75-100 less runs the Yankees could/will potentially score, improved outfield defense, how good the Jays end up being (the Marlins didn’t fair too well last year, Reyes on turf, Johnson being injury prone, etc.) as well as if the Os can consistently win again. For argument’s sake, I can no longer hold with the 90-92 folk and 100 is too many. The Yankees will win 94-95 games in 2013…you heard it here first ;)

  91. LGY February 10th, 2013 at 6:59 pm

    When people talk about the inadequacies of this front office they aren’t saying the current team is terrible.

    Cashman inherited a core from Stick Michael that not only played at a HOF level in their prime but has continued to perform at extremely high levels well past the point of the typical professional athlete’s expiration date. He also operates in a market and for a team with historic culture so it’s not difficult to bring in elite free agents like CC who has been absolutely integral to their success the past few years. Without him this steady decline after 2009 probably begins before that season. Considering those factors it really should not be all that difficult to build a playoff caliber team like he has all these years. And, he probably should have been able to assemble more than 1 WS winning team in a decade.

    However, I will say the original ARod deal was phenomenal. The Swisher trade was genius. And finally he should receive plenty of credit for Cano becoming a superstar under his watch (although the Yankees did try to trade Cano on several occasions).

    Nonetheless, since Swisher trade Cashman has done little to nothing in terms of creativity or innovation to bridge the gap into the next generation. His go to move has become dumpster diving for band aid platoon bats.

    The one time he tried to make a bold or under the radar move in recent years to build for the future he traded for a pitcher that soon after needed career altering shoulder surgery.

    The Yankees will probably be a pretty good team in 2013. They are more like a playoff contending team as opposed to the WS contender they should be. With the core the Yankees have locked in place, Cashman should have done a better job surrounding them with talent instead of the patchwork job he has done the past few years. Since the Swisher trade he hasn’t shown the ability to bring in the kind of talent they need unless he has an blank checkbook.

  92. blake February 10th, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    austinmac says:
    February 10, 2013 at 6:57 pm
    I just watched the Giancarlo video. What power. Wow. All I want is Giancarlo is right and Harper in left. Is that so wrong?

    I wasn’t gonna watch it because I knew it’d make me sad but I did anyway….. He has stupid power

  93. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    LGY,

    Well said.

  94. Tar February 10th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    “However, I will say the original ARod deal was phenomenal. The Swisher trade was genius. And finally he should receive plenty of credit for Cano becoming a superstar under his watch (although the Yankees did try to trade Cano on several occasions).”

    Good post LGY I agree. I will add that I think Cashman has done a great job dumpster diving over the years. He’s made some shrewd pick ups like Chavez and Colon et al.

    He does gets a failing mark ( IMO) over player development. He has also developed an arrogant persona that just rubs me the wrong way. Personally I think his Torre moment has come and its time to move on.

    Maybe he can write a book. :D

  95. Shame Spencer February 10th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    LGY – Amen.

    Are fem and/or JAP around? We’re about to be treated to a good game. I’d take Pens/Devils over the Grammys any day of the week..

  96. Shame Spencer February 10th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    There was a long period of pro-Cashman support on here.. it was just a few years back.

    I know I was loving Cash.. I really thought in 2009 this team was primed for another dynasty-like run.

    I just don’t like the way the front office seems to be divided. I hope they either clean house or get on the same page asap, because the longer periods like this go on the more they impact the future of the franchise.

  97. austinmac February 10th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    We’ve been very lucky to have Jeter and the rest. However, can you imagine the fun of a 19 year old Mantle blowing everyone away in spring training? Or having Harper or Trout?

    I hope somewhere in the system we have a young player who can come up and show real high end potential. We have some possibilities.

    As a charter member or Team Greedy I still say there is no fun greater than watching a young player come up and show upside.

  98. tucker February 10th, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    Cashman’s T-day (Torre day) may come in 2014. If you listen to Hal’s public comments about 2014, he said it will be up to the young talent to rise up and be ready to fill the holes by 2014. If the young talent is not ready, Hal may make Cash the scapegoat.

    Hal has not publicly said he would spend more if the Yanks can’t field a championship-caliber club. He said it is up to the prospects to be ready, but there are too many holes to fill and not enough prospects. So we’ll see if Cash survives.

  99. CompassRosy February 10th, 2013 at 8:07 pm

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    But I talked to Mariners general manager Jack Zduriencik this afternoon after team officials flew to Peoria, Ariz., for the start of camp and he said Hernandez has been throwing as normal for the last month getting ready for the season and would be reporting with the rest of the club’s pitchers and catchers as expected on Tuesday.

    “He’s coming down tonight and will be here to get his physical and we’ll get rolling,” Zduriencik said. “I’m not going to comment on any of that other stuff. It’s ridiculous. I’ve watched him at the ballpark [Safeco Field] for the last month or so throwing and he’s his normal self.”

    Olney said one source told him the elbow is “an issue” in finalizing the new deal. Here’s his story on ESPN.com.

    Hernandez did withdraw from the World Baseball Classic late last week, telling Venezuela head coach Luis Sojo he would not be able to participate due to the ongoing contract negotiations.

    :::

    My sense is that negotiations are ongoing and that things still need to be worked out. Maybe the Mariners want language protecting them from a long-term injury situation. Maybe they want to see Hernandez throw for a while this spring to better gauge his condition.

    Maybe both sides just realize they’ve got two years still to work something out and there’s plenty of time to get it right.

  100. blake February 10th, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    LGY, good post

  101. Shame Spencer February 10th, 2013 at 8:27 pm

    I decided to make a list of all the things I’m excited about this season:

    1 – Phil Hughes’ starts.
    2 – Robbie in a FA year should be pretty epic.
    3 – CC, Kuroda and Andy is one hell of a 1-2-3.
    4 – Derek Jeter.. hopefully continuing his resurgence, even after surgery.
    5 – Gardner and Ichiro’s D and what they bring to the line up.
    6 – Who becomes our catcher. (I am excited for this in a story line sense – but not in a ‘I’m glad we don’t know who our catcher is’ sense.)
    7 – If Arod can return.
    8 – Seeing if any OF/3B prospects get any playing time.
    9 – Joba’s return, fully healthy :D I can’t help it lol.
    10 – Mo.

  102. Shame Spencer February 10th, 2013 at 8:30 pm

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  104. jacksquat February 10th, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    I see, so when do Jeter, Pettitte and Mariano stop saving Cashman’s butt? 2014 is the year of the apocalypse?

    And I hope you all realize that a group like Williams, Rivera, Jeter, Posada and Pettitte all coming out of the minors at nearly the same time is at least partly due to luck and is very unlikely to happen again under any GM.

  105. ron February 10th, 2013 at 8:38 pm

    The yankees or any other team can’t have 500 million in revenues,and have a 100 million dollar payroll,so they just spent,just to spend.
    They have to become smarter,and can do it,but not by signing arod,cano to 200 million dollar deals.
    They need to trade cano,granderson,hughes,and get 4 top prospects,then sign free agents wisely.
    We would be in great shape if we traded the above 3 for a 3b,2b,2 pitching prospects,and maybe a ss prospect,then sign hamilton,ajp,maybe one more free agent.
    There is no value in a 20+ million dollar player,unless they are at the top of their game,and bring a ton of fans to the park,and that is a small window in a players career.

    Very few prospects make it,so there is no way by 2014 our prospects will fill c,2b,ss,3b,lf,cf,rf,4 starting pitchers.
    I don’t count cervelli,romine,cano,jeter,arod,gardner,ichiro,granderson,hughes,nova,phelps because they will be free agents,are unproven,or will need to be platooned.
    What team was ever sucessfull when they needed all those positions filled by prospects,and very little money to spend?
    The only guaranteed pitcher we will have is an older cc.

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