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Jeter: “I’ve gotten all the green lights I need”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Feb 11, 2013 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter ran on a treadmill this morning. It was his first time running since the ankle injury that forced him out of the playoffs and into surgery.

“I’ve gotten all the green lights I need,” Jeter said.

Today was more of the same for the Yankees captain, who went through his usual drills at the team’s minor league complex. He played catch in the outfield, then took ground balls on the edge of the infield grass. He has not yet started taking grounders from side to side, but he said that’s standard.

“It’s all a progression,” Jeter said. “Even if I didn’t break my ankle, there’s steps to it. This is just another step in the process that I would be doing anyway.”

He’s still expecting to be 100 percent in time for Opening Day.

I spent most of my morning at the complex, but I had to leave for today’s chat before Curtis Granderson came out to speak to reporters. Here’s what he told some of the guys who were still out there.

• Based on a conversation with Ichiro Suzuki, Granderson altered his offseason program to start hitting earlier.

• Granderson’s contract expires at the end of this season, but he said he’s open to an extension. “I’d be a fool not to,” he said.

• There’s been plenty of talk about the possibility of Granderson moving to left field so that Brett Gardner can takeover in center. “I’m open to it,” Granderson said. Just my own opinion, but I can’t imagine Granderson would be happy about it — he’s always played center, and his free agent value would be higher as a center fielder — but his personality is such that I can’t imagine Granderson making it an issue. If the Yankees want him in left, my hunch is that Granderson would go there with absolutely no drama.

• Some of the other players I saw at the complex this morning: Dave Robertson, Hiroki Kuroda, Phil Hughes, David Phelps and Melky Mesa.

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255 Responses to “Jeter: “I’ve gotten all the green lights I need””

  1. jacksquat February 11th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Rich in NJ February 11th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    “I think they are going under 189 no matter what, and Hal saying he could go over if necessary is just a lie. Look how hard they worked to shed lots of payroll going into 2014.”

    Do you think they can be under 189 in 2014 and still sell the team as a WS contender?

    Part of the issue may be timing. Hal may or may not know much about baseball, but he can read the standings.

    If the AS break 2014 approaches, and they Yankees are playing poorly, he may be motivated to add significant payroll by the trading deadline.

    That was, in part, what I was referring to yesterday when I said I hope they take the long view no matter what they do.

    If they do decide to add salary during 2014, the options may not be as good as they might be in the offseason, and their trading position may seem less desperate.

    And in a year, maybe two, they are probably going to have some very attractive pieces to trade, if they want.

    So they will have decisions to make if they can’t be patient, or if they believe that many fans won’t be.

    First, I think they can have a good, contending team with a strict 189 limit. But they need to make good decisions and have a little luck.

    As for Hal going over 189, I think it’s likely any decision is going to be made with the bottom line in mind, first and foremost. So I think the only way they go over 189 is if they think they will lose more money by losing games than they would gain by staying under 189. I have no idea at what point that happens, but I’m sure they have an idea.

  2. jacksquat February 11th, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    • Some of the other players I saw at the complex this morning: Dave Robertson, Hiroki Kuroda, Phil Hughes, David Phelps and Melky Mesa.

    Mesa can catch? Please say yes.

  3. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    I do love Grandy… just wish he was batting in the lower 3rd of our order. I’d love him more down there.

  4. Jerkface February 11th, 2013 at 1:48 pm

    First, I think they can have a good, contending team with a strict 189 limit.

    Yea I think so too, just not within the next 2 years.

  5. jacksquat February 11th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    Jerkface February 11th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    First, I think they can have a good, contending team with a strict 189 limit.

    Yea I think so too, just not within the next 2 years.

    I think it’s possible in 2014. There are many factors that depends on though.

  6. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    I think the braves won 14 consecutive division titles without coming remotely close to 189, of course you can.

  7. Jerkface February 11th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    I think the braves won 14 consecutive division titles without coming remotely close to 189, of course you can.

    That was a different era. They also had the benefit of 3 hall of fame pitchers and 2 hall of fame position players. The Yankees and Braves, over the same time frame, had the fantastic luck/development to bring up or acquire multiple hall of famers. And both runs started before payrolls ballooned to current levels.

  8. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:03 pm

    Cashmoney says:
    February 11, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    I think the braves won 14 consecutive division titles without coming remotely close to 189, of course you can.

    Yea….let the Yanks get a Maddux , Glavine, Smoltz , Chipper, Jonesy in their primes and maybe they can too

  9. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Also…..there is so much of the Yanks payroll tied up in either dead money or underperforming money that it’s really more like a 130 or 140 million dollar actual payroll they’ll be working with next year…..which is still a lot….but in today’s market you may be paying Ferrari money for a mustang on a lot of players

  10. G. Love February 11th, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Because the Braves won 14 consecutive titles w/o coming close to 189 is immaterial. Number one the financial landscape when they started their run, like when we started ours was completely different. Teams had 60 million dollar payrolls then because the economics of the game were totally different.

    They didn’t have their payroll tied up in 5-6 old players. They also planned the whole time to develop from within and after Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz would come up with guys like Millwood, Steve Avery, etc. to keep the ball rolling. They also didn’t get locked into many horrific long terms deals.

    Comparing the two runs is just silly. One has nothing to do with the other. It was a different time when the salaries and profits were a shadow of what they are now.

    If the Braves had Glavine, Maddux and Smolts right now in their primes like they did then they’d cost 75 million a season just for 3 players and that’s before they signed Chipper Jones, Andruw Jones, Klesko, Javy Lopez, Fred McGriff, Rocker, Wohlers, etc.

    You could easily see in today’s economics how those Braves team in todays market could be pushing 200 million if they were kept intact.

  11. Jerkface February 11th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    As I think Shame said a couple days ago, the Yankees cutting payroll is more palatable (though still bad given how much money they make) were they actually in position to do it effectively. If it was the 2015 offseason, and we knew Williams/Austin/Heatchott/Romine/Sanchez/Pitchers were going to provide real help. Then yea, go to 189 with all the savings you got there because you can fill a good team.

    Instead they’re doing it 2-3 years too early, where the risk is huge, and they admit they may even go over the limit if it looks super dicey. Which is dumb! They avoided potentially helpful players the past 2 offseasons to put themselves in the position to slash payroll, by then re-negging on that they will end up overspending in 1 offseason rather than spreading it across 3 and having an actual plan.

    Its why I don’t like their ‘wait till the last second’ strategy.

  12. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Guys… I’m in trubs.

    I went to this community building team thing with my boss and somehow volunteered myself to make 65 portions worth of Irish oats for our St. Patrick’s Day event.

    I’m picturing this scene from I Love Lucy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcmHUCB0HD4

  13. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Jerk, Yanks really started their ballooning payroll in 03- present, the braves has not. The right signing, luck, hof players, good scouts and good farm all has something to do with it. but the point is, if you have the right ppl in FO you can be a contender with 3/4 what the yanks are operating on right now.

  14. Jerkface February 11th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Jerk, Yanks really started their ballooning payroll in 03- present, the braves has not. The right signing, luck, hof players, good scouts and good farm all has something to do with it. but the point is, if you have the right ppl in FO you can be a contender with 3/4 what the yanks are operating on right now.

    Starting from scratch, with a leadup where you don’t go to the playoffs, yes. Starting with 100 in sunk costs on aging declining or terrible players, no. Thats why the Braves have not been to the playoffs in 5 of the last 7 years.

  15. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    If Slade, Mason etc have good first halfs I bet Cashman offers them all for Giancarlo this summer

  16. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    @Ken_Rosenthal

    Full story with latest on Felix and #Mariners from me and @jonmorosi: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ers-021013

  17. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:13 pm

    The yanks have made the postseason like 17 of the last 18 seasons…..that’s historic and incredible in its on right.

  18. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    G. Love and JF, i am not talking about the notion of 189 and contending from yanks’s current prospect with sunk cost. I am talking about the idea of having strict 189 payroll and be a perennial contender is very sound even in today’s economics. but it will take time and to rebuild a new core and better fo imo.

  19. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 2:15 pm

    Starting from scratch, with a leadup where you don’t go to the playoffs,
    ——
    what do you think i been talking about for the last 3 month JF.

  20. pat February 11th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    BBTN starts at 2:30 Eastern–the bus at Giants camp, Tim K., Sutcliffe, Schilling, Karl; I am at Nats camp.

    spending a month in a bus with Sutcliffe and Schilling. no thanks.

  21. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    Jerkface February 11th, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    As I think Shame said a couple days ago, the Yankees cutting payroll is more palatable (though still bad given how much money they make) were they actually in position to do it effectively. If it was the 2015 offseason, and we knew Williams/Austin/Heatchott/Romine/Sanchez/Pitchers were going to provide real help. Then yea, go to 189 with all the savings you got there because you can fill a good team.

    Instead they’re doing it 2-3 years too early, where the risk is huge, and they admit they may even go over the limit if it looks super dicey. Which is dumb!

    ———————-

    Yep.

    If this was 2015, and all of these A and AA guys were closer or on the verge the temperature in here would look a lot different. Right now, there’s just a lot of uncertainty. And the plan that they’re trying to implement now might end up backfiring long term if they try to hard to fit a circle into a square (they might risk making some trades to stay under the cap and stay competitive that could really shoot the farm in the foot).

  22. RadioKev February 11th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

    Will “I talked to Ichiro” become the new “Best Shape Of My Life,” now that it’s passe?

  23. G. Love February 11th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Cashmoney,

    If you told me Arod and Tex’s deals were off the books, then I think 189 is a sound goal. With those 2 locked in guaranteed going forward accounting for more than 50 million in payroll? It’s tough. It means you can’t sign in their prime free agents whether they are your own or on other teams. You add Cano & let’s say a Kershaw/Verlander (purely hypothetical) to that mix and you have 4 players making over 100 million, 1 of which is in a 4 year decline and the other who may not be able to take the field again. And that doesn’t even count CC’s money into the equation.

    If the Yankees were starting with a clean slate then 189 is more than enough, but they bring in too much 220 million roster baggage to make it work. They ran the team like they had the most money (which they do) and now are trying to turn on a dime and be something they can’t be for another 5 years if they don’t sign anyone long term past then.

  24. andrewmelillo February 11th, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Lets clean house have patience with the Farm

  25. UnKnown February 11th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Soon there will be games tomorrow.

  26. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    UnKnown February 11th, 2013 at 2:26 pm

    Soon there will be games tomorrow.

    ————————

    The more I think about Cash saying this the more I wonder if he didn’t think the FO would panic and give him some wiggle room..

  27. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    G. Love, what I am saying is this, I am willing to sit through 4 years of whatever if there is structure in place to expand farm and scouting , get better talent evaluators and a plan to amass talents (because not all prospect works, there is str in numbers) I am not that concern about mediocrity or worse if yanks are farsighted and are willing to execute.

    question is , do they or do they fly by the seat of their pants? that’s what most ppl find it puzzling here.

  28. yankeehotelfoxtrot February 11th, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    Andy Jones is a hall of famer?

  29. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    So I didn’t see the whole thing but I thought the Grammys were pretty good last night

  30. G. Love February 11th, 2013 at 2:32 pm

    I just don’t understand a Yankee fan saying, let’s shred payroll and lose, so we can clear the books and play all young kids.

    I just don’t get it.

    Do you go to games? Do you see what they charge and reap from a family who attends them? Do you know what they charge to park across the street from the stadium?

    And lastly, do you honestly want to sit 4 years to watch contracts fall off and watch us lose so one day we might get lucky enough to have top draft picks again?

    Really? That’s what you want? To watch us lose our way into top 10 draft picks?

    I don’t understand that line of thinking at all. Rooting for your team to fall apart and be one of the 10 worst teams in the league makes no sense to me.

  31. yankeehotelfoxtrot February 11th, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    Correction: Future hall of famer. This CT weather is making me/us all sorts of loopy!

  32. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    @Joelsherman1

    Thought I was getting late start to spring training but since Cashman and Girardi r both on flight I feel better #Yankees

  33. Jerkface February 11th, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    Andruw Jones was for 10 years a more than elite defensive centerfielder with a great bat, so probably? He is, at least, on the cusp, and even if you wanna say no, they still were getting 10 years of HOF performance. Just like the Yankees got great performance from Bernie & Posada even if you wanna say they are only on the cusp on HOFdom.

  34. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    it’s not about playing the young kids G. love, it’s about looking to replace a new core which won’t come easily due to lack of FA available, it’s about the best course of action to take to maintain long term dominance. I am fine with ppl wanting to go over 189 in 14, because i think that’s the most realistic chance of fielding a contending but that’s not gonna solve the long term issue of core four retiring , teams does not have the say prospects to acquire a young core via farm and the lack FA agent available to supplant it and consequently they might further worsen the problem by committing more sunk cost into a team that already has plenty.

    The idea is when i look at this team, it’s better in long term by rebuilding.

  35. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    I hope Tyler Austin makes it because he likes Duck Dynasty

  36. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    The point is, it really never should have gotten to this point. ‘This point’ being a place where you’re confined to 1 year deals.

    It’s patchwork. We shouldn’t be in a position to put things together with patchwork.

  37. Warning Track Power February 11th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    Anybody else here irritated at the Tweets from
    David Aardsma???

    First he whines about having to shave his facial hair.
    Then he tweets about passing gas inside Whole Foods store?

    WTF!!!!

  38. RadioKev February 11th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
    So I didn’t see the whole thing but I thought the Grammys were pretty good last night
    ———–

    Snubbing “Call Me Maybe” was stupid. I don’t actually like the song, but how in the world is it not song of the year?

  39. Rich in NJ February 11th, 2013 at 2:42 pm

    “First, I think they can have a good, contending team with a strict 189 limit. But they need to make good decisions and have a little luck.”

    We have talked about this. I think they need a lot of luck; you don’t.

    “As for Hal going over 189, I think it’s likely any decision is going to be made with the bottom line in mind, first and foremost. So I think the only way they go over 189 is if they think they will lose more money by losing games than they would gain by staying under 189. I have no idea at what point that happens, but I’m sure they have an idea.”

    They have a very elastic bottom line. They can virtually print money.

    They need to spend it more wisely.

  40. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    I don’t go to lot of games G.Love, not because i can’t afford it whatever the cost might be, i prefer to watch at home. am i allow that luxury?

  41. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    “Snubbing “Call Me Maybe” was stupid. I don’t actually like the song, but how in the world is it not song of the year?”

    Maybe they judged on quality?

  42. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    later y’all.

  43. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    RadioKev February 11th, 2013 at 2:41 pm

    blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
    So I didn’t see the whole thing but I thought the Grammys were pretty good last night
    ———–

    Snubbing “Call Me Maybe” was stupid. I don’t actually like the song, but how in the world is it not song of the year?

    ———————-

    I’ve boycotted the Grammys… If I would have known this would be a topic of discussion, however, I may have reconsidered. Drat.

  44. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

    I don’t even know who won what I was just talking about the performances more than anything

  45. RadioKev February 11th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
    “Snubbing “Call Me Maybe” was stupid. I don’t actually like the song, but how in the world is it not song of the year?”

    Maybe they judged on quality?
    ————-

    Whoa whoa whoa, let’s not get too crazy here.

  46. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Shame,

    J timberlake sang….no nick Carter though

  47. RadioKev February 11th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

    Jack White and The Black Keys were pretty great. That Levon tribute too.

  48. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    The Levon tribute was awesome

  49. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:46 pm

    Shame,

    J timberlake sang….no nick Carter though

    ———————-

    Lol.. I refuse to watch anything that celebrates that jackoff Chris Brown and then tells women to cover up their boobies. Free the boobies!!

  50. jacksquat February 11th, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I think giving up because you are “stuck” with the Arod and Tex contracts for the next 4/5 years is giving up too easily.

  51. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    I don’t go to lot of games G.Love, not because i can’t afford it whatever the cost might be, i prefer to watch at home. am i allow that luxury?

    ——————-

    I don’t think that’s what he meant. I think it’s just knowing the high cost of attending a game (whether you do it or not) and the overall profit the team/brand generates that should make fans demand a better quality product.

  52. G. Love February 11th, 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Cashmoney,

    I’m not bringing up what it costs to go to games to build some wall between fans who do and don’t. There’s no better fan. If you’re in Hong Kong and never go to a game you’re as much of a Yankee fan as someone who goes to 10 games a year.

    What I’m trying to articulate is this team charges through the nose to support it. It basically costs close to what it costs to go to Disneyland for the day to take a family to a Yankee game. They make a ton of money off people supporting this team.

    All I’m saying is they charge so much and make so much money off the ridiculous prices, supporting a plan where they cut and slash payroll and lose for years while making this level of profit makes no sense.

    You’re rooting for the Steinbrenners to get richer. Does that make sense?

    I don’t understand the fan who comes in here and says I’d rather see them lose and take a step back than spend another dollar.

    Why? If the front office had prepared better for this day it wouldn’t have to come to that. They have the most money and resources and should’ve been using all of them to prep for this. Instead, they’ve done the opposite signing old guys to short 1 yr deals without developing their replacements.

    It shouldn’t be spend a lot of money or spend none and cross your fingers that all the A and AA balls kids turn into hall of famers.

    It should’ve been a mix of that, good trades, good international signings, drafting, etc.

    The only reason it’s an issue now is because the team didn’t plan for it. So they’re going to want fans to pay top dollars to support the 4 or 5 guys who they signed to contracts that block them from improving the team.

  53. blake February 11th, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    I hope the plan is to attempt to get under the cap “if” enough prospects pan out to allow it……and to abort if not…..if that’s the plan I’m ok with it……but it remains to be seen if this is the case.

    I do think if the farm system steps forward and Stanton is available this summer or winter that the yanks will be all in

  54. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    You know, there’s this other team that’s only missed the playoffs twice in the last 18 years..They’ve never had the biggest budget but they operate with a plan that’s always kept them in contention. *cough*Devils*cough*

  55. Phranchise February 11th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    Has anyone seen Slade play in person and if so do we think he could be a legit 20+ home run guy? Must admit he reminds me a little of Lenny Dykstra with far more potential, but similar styles.

  56. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    read above shame about what i think of FA, I think the best course of action is start to rebuild, amass talents to keep and to trade for a new core. 14 is patchwork imo, you are more than welcome to agree or disagree with austerity plan. what I am saying is that this organization is better off to be patient due to new CBA, influx of revenue to all teams, potential available FAs …
    the lack of desirable prospects to trade for young impact players.adding more payroll might not help the yanks in long term because the talents they need might not be there at all is what I am saying.

    lastly, if you think they are putting an inferior product on the field without a steady and sound plan to improve that, don’t go. it’s your choice.

  57. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Along the way we’ve lost some of the best players in the game… and it’s almost never mattered.

  58. blake February 11th, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    “Has anyone seen Slade play in person and if so do we think he could be a legit 20+ home run guy? Must admit he reminds me a little of Lenny Dykstra with far more potential, but similar styles.”

    I haven’t seen him in person….just on TV a few times….I think he could develop enough pull power to hit 20 at YS but he gets a little slappy at the ball sometimes….which is fine on pitches away from him if he can slash and run fast….I really like his upside and ability ….hope he can stay healthy

  59. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 3:04 pm

    Cash – There’s no such thing as a new core. Not when you’re talking about the Legends they’re replacing. That’s once in a lifetime.

    Maybe they would be better off rebuilding.. but they’re not doing that either! If they were they’d trade the valuable pieces they do have.

    This team won’t pick a lane (as blake would say).. they’re just waiting and seeing how things play out. I hope it works in their favor, but I don’t appreciate the approach at all. Their job is to be proactive.

    If the team said at the beginning of the off-season, ‘look our priorities have changed and we think it’s time to blow it up’ then I could at least respect that…. but like I said, there doesn’t seem to be any plan in place to rebuild either. It’s hard to support a team that’s livin’ on a prayer. (Ooooooooooohhhhhh we’re half way thereeeeee…)

  60. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    shame , i f you contention is it is highly unlikely yanks will assemble the core four this time around I can’t disagree with that. but there is such thing as a new core.

  61. Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    just an example, FLA found staton and cabrera, are they once of a decade talent like Jeter? the point is merely Yanks need young impact players and they don’t have any right now nor will they have any in 14 imo. they need more. no one has to be jeter , po or rivera and teams has won without those as well.

  62. Jerkface February 11th, 2013 at 3:12 pm

    Here is a great article by Maury Brown

    http://www.baseballprospectus......0Q.twitter

    It is about the Astros claim that they lost money. Basically, never believe any team has lost money. The owner said that ‘the franchise’ is operating in the red. Maury Brown looks at the costs of the Franchise and they are indeed in the red. Because the Astros are not counting any MLB revenue or revenue sharing, which gives them a 60 million dollar profit, if counted.

  63. Rich in NJ February 11th, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    “just an example, FLA found staton and cabrera”

    Cashman will find them. I know it.

  64. Rich in NJ February 11th, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    So what’s the bigger lie: Who takes PEDs or generally accepted accounting principles?

  65. Duh Innings II February 11th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Jerkface February 11th, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    I think the braves won 14 consecutive division titles without coming remotely close to 189, of course you can.

    That was a different era. They also had the benefit of 3 hall of fame pitchers and 2 hall of fame position players. The Yankees and Braves, over the same time frame, had the fantastic luck/development to bring up or acquire multiple hall of famers. And both runs started before payrolls ballooned to current levels.

    ————————————————————

    Two HOF position players? I know one of them was Chipper Jones, but who was the other, Fred McGriff? I’m down for The Crime Dog to get in, I think he should even though he didn’t reach 500 HR (he was close enough.) No way Andruw Jones gets in even though he has had an impressive career (400+ HR and 10 Gold Gloves.)

  66. blake February 11th, 2013 at 3:21 pm

    Andrew will get a lot of HOF consideration …..I don’t think he should get in but his defense and the homers will get him a lot of votes

  67. tomingeorgia February 11th, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Andruw was one of the best centerfielders I ever saw, range, arm, hitting, all in one, for ten years. I don’t know what happened to him afterwards to bring him down, but he was the best in the game for a long time.

  68. blake February 11th, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    “Andruw was one of the best centerfielders I ever saw, range, arm, hitting, all in one, for ten years. I don’t know what happened to him afterwards to bring him down, but he was the best in the game for a long time.”

    Simple answer is he didnt stay in shape Id say….and after 30 once you let yourself get out of shape it’s really hard to get it back….Jeter talks about that all the time

  69. G. Love February 11th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Andruw was a beast. I remember him killing Andy and our pitching staff during Game 1 of the 96 World Series. We got destroyed in that game and Andruw was at the heart of it.

    You have to believe PED’s may have played a part in his decline. It came on so quickly and his body shape just changed.

    That said, he was a sensational CF & having him and Chipper at the same time in their primes was pretty special for that team.

  70. Wave Your Hat February 11th, 2013 at 3:31 pm

    Andruw Jones is Dale Murphy. Dale Murphy isn’t in. Andruw Jones won’t be in.

  71. Shame Spencer February 11th, 2013 at 3:32 pm

    Cashmoney February 11th, 2013 at 3:10 pm

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    Well yeah, I do agree.. you need a core of young players… but they needed this two years ago. They haven’t had a lot of young guys contributing and they’ve done a pretty terrible job of getting young guys to the bigs.

    I know we’re ultimately not disagreeing here… I like the 1/3 formula. Our team should always be 1/3 of young/rookie players. At one time, I thought Joba, Hughes, Cano, Montero and Ajax were going to carry the next generation of Yankees baseball. I thought they looked really strong up the middle with young talent 2-3 seasons back.

    They need that now more than ever.

    This plan they’re trying to implement needs to be put on hold until they have that strong depth again.. in 2015 you could be looking at Sanchez, Banuelos, Mason, and Austin all having a major role on the club.

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  73. blake February 11th, 2013 at 3:34 pm

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  76. Wave Your Hat February 11th, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    “Now I don’t know how accurate that is but the reality is that more and more writers believe in it when they vote”

    Jones’ extra WAR is all defense WAR and defense don’t get you into the HOF, generally speaking.

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    I would love to see Abe Almonte come to camp healthy and really make a statement. That would warm the heart, to see a young guy who really could help the team soon. Surprised no one plucked him away; must be the injury history.

  78. Wave Your Hat February 11th, 2013 at 3:41 pm

    ” In their best years, Dale Murphy couldn’t hold a candle to Jones.”

    Offensively, that’s just not so.

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    Jerkface (no offense but is that what ppl call you on here?),

    Totally agree that Andruw is on the HOF cusp with Bernie and Posada. And tom, he definitely was an incredible defensive player! Bernie was the AL equivalent, for a few years at least. Jim Edmunds was pretty friggin’ good too!!

    Btw, New Britain (20 minutes away) is where the EL All-Star game is held this year, on July 10th…the Thunder are here 7/11-7/14. I hope to see a few of our future studs that week. Really hoping Heathcott and Tyler Austin are there and healthy!! I saw Bernie a bunch of times when he was with AA Albany-Colonie (in New Britain, when they were the NB Red Sox). I was just a kid then. I know this is off topic but this discussion seems a bit all over the place anyway, and I’m pumped to see these guys play, and maybe hit the AA ASG too. My feeling is that Slade is gonna be the real deal…he even has a wicked cool baseball name :)

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    JAP,
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    tom, you know you’re in the presence of greatness when you just get that deer in headlights feeling/reverence watching someone play who not only can’t help you, but can actually hurt you. He took my breath away. And I agree, no comparison.

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    Well that’s why I said “generally speaking”. When I hedge there’s a reason. Also, it helps to have a nickname like “The Wizard of Oz”.

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